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I see plenty people talking about ICS on the Prime, why doesn't it ship with ICS etc.
well I've been thinking about that a great deal this week. Of course, whatever it ships with, it ships with, but Samsung have a head start on ICS because of their work on the New Nexus.
On the other hand, everyone else is playing catchup because the source code has only just been released. The prime will ship with whatever it ships with and I'll have that.
but I would rather the Prime ship with a rock solid Honeycomb release with optimised apps and let ICS mature for a while before Asus release ICS for it. Asus do regular releases anyway so I'm not put off by lack of ICS at initial shipping.
I do remember reading (if it is true), that Google actually sent some of their ICS engineers to ASUS to help them set up ICS on the Prime. If that is indeed the case, we should have a top notch version of ICS when it does become available. But I won't be upgrading my Honeycomb until there is Flash support for it.
I don't think Honeycomb will ever be called "rock solid" or "mature". The sooner it gets ICS, the better in my opinion.
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I don't think Honeycomb will ever be called "rock solid" or "mature". The sooner it gets ICS, the better in my opinion.
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Agreed. I have a feeling that Google's been spending the lion's share of their time optimizing ICS rather than fixing issues (particularly low-level optimization) in Honeycomb. As Google has said themselves on numerous occasions, Honeycomb was a stop-gap measure to get _something_ running on tablets. It was meant purely to mark time until ICS is released.
I think the Prime will be very good on Honeycomb. I expect it to be simply awesome on ICS.
You might also note, Nvidia is helping Asus to optimise there Tegra 3 for Ice cream sandwich.
I would rather have Asus, Google and Nvidia working together on the most awesome software available and release it day one on the most awesome hardware rather than have a clucky software made by Asus alone on what could be a tremendous succesfull tablet.
I, personnaly, couldn't care less if the update comes after HC on the Prime, but because I want Android tablet to succeed (more Apps for us in the end) I'm willing to wait a few weeks if that what it takes to give this device all the chances it should have. And I think marketing it with Honeycomb is a really, really, really bad idea cause, even in a shinny box, if when turned on it's the same thing as all other tablet already there but 2-3 times their price that won't appeal much to commun people.
Can be wrong now, but isn't first with ICS that all cores can be used and the Tegra3 power comes to use. Belive that HC can't take advantage of all Tegra3 goodness. Just ICS will give all android devices a good speed boost and the hardware will finally have a software to work "together" with.
For example the scores in Antutu Benchmark from Asus Prime.
HC ~ 6500
ICS ~ 10000+
So would I be Asus I almost don't want to release the Prime with HC. Instead I should wait for ICS so the user performance and feel would be as good as possible and all reviews are being made on the final product and not a product that will gets some updates later on that will make it even better.
For me personally HC or ICS doesn't matter because I now what coming and have used android and several tablets,
but maybe those that are new to Android and tablets will get disappointed to run with HC that isn't so good and have some problems.
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I would like to start off by saying I tried a search and did not find conclusive results to my question so apologies if I missed a thread on this.
I would also like to say I am not a Apple fan by nature. I was a preorder on the Andoid G1 if that serves any background on me.
So my dilemma.. What sold me on the iPad 2 was trying out a iPad 1 early last year and took to the speed, performance, form etc. So learning the ipad 2 was down the road I waited a few months and walked into the store on launch day and picked one up.
My dilemma - I have not been very happy with Apple in general for many reasons which I won't get into but seeking real feedback if the Prime would compare to the iPad 2 for owners of both.
In desperation to have an Andriod device I recently purchased the Galaxy Tab 10.1 only to be disappointed and returned it. It is nice, don't get me wrong but pales in comparison to the speed in which I am used to. At least out of the box. I am not looking to mod my tablet (already do that with my Evo and Photon).
So, is there anyone here that can provide real feedback to owning both units? I really want to go Android but don't want to feel like I am sacrificing on anything. The browser tests I did with the Galaxy vs the iPad were significant enough for me to be a deal breaker. I know I am giving up flash on the iPad but in reality most of what I do doesn't require it. I would just prefer a Android device that has similar speed in browsing and responsiveness, screen etc..
Thanks in advance and sorry for the long post..
my prime should be here tomorrow so ill post up my results for you. also keep in mind that the ipad 3 should be coming out sometime this year. but you said you wanted an android device so that may not matter.
Thanks.. I did hear the iPad 3 is coming out but it seems like a rumor at the moment? Like you mentioned though I am really looking to get away from the limitations Apple has which is my drive. The IOS 5 update took away my direct print function from email and Safari from an app I paid for which i was told from the developer was intentional and there is nothing they can do about it. I am not unhappy enough with the iPad to just make a change for the sake of change as it does work nice for most of what I do. I wish this was in store to try it out first but I can be patient.
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Thanks.. I did hear the iPad 3 is coming out but it seems like a rumor at the moment? Like you mentioned though I am really looking to get away from the limitations Apple has which is my drive. The IOS 5 update took away my direct print function from email and Safari from an app I paid for which i was told from the developer was intentional and there is nothing they can do about it. I am not unhappy enough with the iPad to just make a change for the sake of change as it does work nice for most of what I do. I wish this was in store to try it out first but I can be patient.
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Ya thats the way i feel, if the prime doesnt preform well ill send it back and wait to see if the ics update fixes it. but have you looked at the galaxy tab 7.7? i heard thats supposed to be pretty nice and if you already have an ipad 2 maybe the smaller size would be good for you. Either way i think you have to wait for the ics update to get a real comparison.
I did see something about the 7.7 but thought it was only avail through Verizon with LTE? The size is actually probably not bad and doable.
I recently picked up an ipad 2 while I wait for a replacement Prime to come in. I am by no means an apple guy, in fact I don't like a lot of things they do and have been an android user for years. That being said, I am very quite impressed with it so far. Very fluid ui and browser (great flash support using Photon browser). Games, are significantly ahead of android in quantity and quality. Software in general is polished and compatibility is excellent.
Now, unlike prime with storage and hdmi... With ipad you pay for everything. Hdmi, eternal storage etc. External output is Meh, requires google tv for most things. Peripherals in general are expensive, but will be compatible with most if not all apple things.
That's all I can think of right now... Plus typing on a phone sucks.
Let me know if you have specific questions.
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I would like to start off by saying I tried a search and did not find conclusive results to my question so apologies if I missed a thread on this.
I would also like to say I am not a Apple fan by nature. I was a preorder on the Andoid G1 if that serves any background on me.
So my dilemma.. What sold me on the iPad 2 was trying out a iPad 1 early last year and took to the speed, performance, form etc. So learning the ipad 2 was down the road I waited a few months and walked into the store on launch day and picked one up.
My dilemma - I have not been very happy with Apple in general for many reasons which I won't get into but seeking real feedback if the Prime would compare to the iPad 2 for owners of both.
In desperation to have an Andriod device I recently purchased the Galaxy Tab 10.1 only to be disappointed and returned it. It is nice, don't get me wrong but pales in comparison to the speed in which I am used to. At least out of the box. I am not looking to mod my tablet (already do that with my Evo and Photon).
So, is there anyone here that can provide real feedback to owning both units? I really want to go Android but don't want to feel like I am sacrificing on anything. The browser tests I did with the Galaxy vs the iPad were significant enough for me to be a deal breaker. I know I am giving up flash on the iPad but in reality most of what I do doesn't require it. I would just prefer a Android device that has similar speed in browsing and responsiveness, screen etc..
Thanks in advance and sorry for the long post..
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This is not specific to the TF Prime, but rather all Honeycomb devices (And I guess Gingerbread too). Don't bother with the stock browsers until Chrome is finally introduced to Android, the stock browser is overall much clunkier and less responsive than other solutions that you can find on the market.
I personally use Opera Mobile on both Atrix 4G and Honeycomb Tablet, and I found a HUGE difference in responsiveness and ease of use.
EDIT: The thing about android is that only some stock apps are good (the others are barely adequate at best), however you can find excellent replacements on the market for whatever you need.
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This is not specific to the TF Prime, but rather all Honeycomb devices (And I guess Gingerbread too). Don't bother with the stock browsers until Chrome is finally introduced to Android, the stock browser is overall much clunkier and less responsive than other solutions that you can find on the market.
I personally use Opera Mobile on both Atrix 4G and Honeycomb Tablet, and I found a HUGE difference in responsiveness and ease of use.
EDIT: The thing about android is that only some stock apps are good (the others are barely adequate at best), however you can find excellent replacements on the market for whatever you need.
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I couldn't agree more. The Honeycomb browser is horrible and I can't even believe it still has not been improved. Opera Mobile is a million times better! The feature to change the user agent to "desktop" alone makes it worth it.
No Honeycomb tablet can compare to the iPad 2 in terms of fluidity and smoothness. I can tell you from personal experience that Ice Cream Sandwich is the first version of Android that can compare to iOS devices in terms of smoothness and fluidity of the UI (yes, it's still not as fast as iOS, but for me it has finally reached the threshold of what I would consider to be smooth). I've used iPads and iPhones before and I know what you're talking about when it comes to responsiveness and smoothness. It's IMO the best part of iOS, and I'm willing to admit that even though I prefer Android. I've also used Android tablets, and nothing running Honeycomb can compare, point blank. Including the Transformer Prime. Anyone who tells you their Transformer Prime has as much UI fluidity, smoothness, and responsiveness right now is either lying, has low standards, or has never used an iPad before.
Wait until ICS to decide for yourself if the Prime is speedy enough. I have a HTC Sensation, and for me my phone has never been up to my standard of what reasonably smooth is until I installed a beta AOSP ICS ROM. Now, I'm not referring to anything other than speed when I say wait for ICS. I'm not going to tell you that ICS will magically fix certain problems the Prime is having like Wifi and GPS issues.
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No Honeycomb tablet can compare to the iPad 2 in terms of fluidity and smoothness. I can tell you from personal experience that Ice Cream Sandwich is the first version of Android that can compare to iOS devices in terms of smoothness and fluidity of the UI (yes, it's still not as fast as iOS, but for me it has finally reached the threshold of what I would consider to be smooth). I've used iPads and iPhones before and I know what you're talking about when it comes to responsiveness and smoothness. It's IMO the best part of iOS, and I'm willing to admit that even though I prefer Android. I've also used Android tablets, and nothing running Honeycomb can compare, point blank. Including the Transformer Prime. Anyone who tells you their Transformer Prime has as much UI fluidity, smoothness, and responsiveness right now is either lying, has low standards, or has never used an iPad before.
Wait until ICS to decide for yourself if the Prime is speedy enough. I have a HTC Sensation, and for me my phone has never been up to my standard of what reasonably smooth is until I installed a beta AOSP ICS ROM. Now, I'm not referring to anything other than speed when I say wait for ICS. I'm not going to tell you that ICS will magically fix certain problems the Prime is having like Wifi and GPS issues.
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I understand that Honeycomb does not take advantage of multiple cores where ICS does. That would explain the difference if correct.
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I understand that Honeycomb does not take advantage of multiple cores where ICS does. That would explain the difference if correct.
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That's an extremely simplified explanation, and one that's not necessarily true.
For a while, a popular topic of discussion going around about ICS was that ICS incorporates hardware acceleration and multi-core support, whereas Honeycomb and Gingerbread don't. That was all pretty much dispelled by a well-known post from a Google engineer who explained that that was just a popular misconception, because Honeycomb already offers hardware acceleration and multi-core support.
If you asked me why ICS is faster, I think it boils down to 2 things: 1) it's just an overall cleaned up OS, and 2) it makes better use of the hardware available. It's not that it makes use of hardware which previous versions of Android didn't do at all (as pointed out, Honeycomb did have hardware acceleration and multi-core support), it's that I believe it will make better use of hardware. I'm not a Google engineer and so this is just a conjecture, but I'm fairly sure that you can be confident ICS makes better use of multi-cores. I think it's entirely reasonable to suggest that because Google knows one of the primary advantages of iOS is speed, and also because essentially all high end Android devices today are multi-core. If Google went into the development of ICS with the goal of making it a faster OS in order to close the gap with iOS, and they went into the development with the knowledge that essentially all devices that would use it would be multi-core, then they certainly put some effort into making better use of such hardware.
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That's an extremely simplified explanation, and one that's not necessarily true.
For a while, a popular topic of discussion going around about ICS was that ICS incorporates hardware acceleration and multi-core support, whereas Honeycomb and Gingerbread don't. That was all pretty much dispelled by a well-known post from a Google engineer who explained that that was just a popular misconception, because Honeycomb already offers hardware acceleration and multi-core support.
If you asked me why ICS is faster, I think it boils down to 2 things: 1) it's just an overall cleaned up OS, and 2) it makes better use of the hardware available. It's not that it makes use of hardware which previous versions of Android didn't do at all (as pointed out, Honeycomb did have hardware acceleration and multi-core support), it's that I believe it will make better use of hardware. I'm not a Google engineer and so this is just a conjecture, but I'm fairly sure that you can be confident ICS makes better use of multi-cores. I think it's entirely reasonable to suggest that because Google knows one of the primary advantages of iOS is speed, and also because essentially all high end Android devices today are multi-core. If Google went into the development of ICS with the goal of making it a faster OS, and they went into the development with the knowledge that essentially all devices that would use it would be multi-core, then they certainly put some effort into making better use of such hardware.
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Sounds close to the same thing I said except in a paragraph instead of a sentence!
The prime in its current honeycomb state, especially after this most recent update, is right on par with the UI fluidity of ipad1 or 2. as I own one also. I stayed with ipad1 because ipad2 wasn't a big enough jump all around to jusitfy dishing out for a new one. I have used the new ones extensively also though. I am constantly using my devices day n and day out so I have a good scope of how they compare. If you decide to get the Prime, it would be a great choice. there have been some issues that has arised for some people but overall doesn't affect everyone. going from ipad2 to a Prime would be a huge upgrade all around the board. definitely check out the various threads, good ones and bad one, and be the judge. you have my vote for getting the prime though. as an Ipad owner also, ipad1 or 2 can't compare because of the larger number of things and customizations that comes with Prime and Android. Apple puts out some great products but you have to live by their rules in their closed ecosystem. with Android, there is alot more freedom. you have to jail break I devices just to do half the things Android does right out the box. that's what sold me on Android. what sold me on the Prime was its Superior Display, best out of any tablet period, the great battery life, best out of any Android tab and on par with ipad2 battery life, superior specs-more powerful by far than anything out now and more than likely next few months down the road. then you have the perfectly integrated keyboard dock option which even has built in battery and extends battery life eveb further. no other manufacturer has been able to replicate that as good. plus Asus has a proven track record of putting out firmwares the fastest and keeps supporting devices.
good luck on deciding.
I just can't thank everyone enough for their kind and genuine responses..
This type of feedback is exactly what I was looking for.. I hate to admit it but I was not aware of the Opera browser. I tried Dolphin on the G-Tab which is very fast on my Photon and thought maybe it was related to the G-Tab. Now I know..
What I take from the responses is that ICS will certainly be something that will take advantage of the Primes true capabalitites. I am willing to give and take.. not one sided and understand that some things will be better and some not so much but the majority of my use is really plain browsing and e-mail. I don't do gaming at the moment so the real thing I want to maintain is a snappy browser and UI.
Sounds like I need to keep the Prime on the list for sure.. thanks again.. really could not ask for more than the true feedback here and not some bias article on the net.
Cheers & Happy New Year to ALL!!
Stan
ok so my prime came yesterday and I haven't had much time to use it yet so don't take this as a real comparison.
So far the only thing worse about it is that hineycomb has a few hiccups sometimes. It hasn't annoyed me but then again maybe it will down the road. Also I pad 2 has a slightly faster browser but its really not a deal breaker. With opening and closing apps they are pretty much the same.
I'll update as time goes on and when ics comes out.
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ok so my prime came yesterday and I haven't had much time to use it yet so don't take this as a real comparison.
So far the only thing worse about it is that hineycomb has a few hiccups sometimes. It hasn't annoyed me but then again maybe it will down the road. Also I pad 2 has a slightly faster browser but its really not a deal breaker. With opening and closing apps they are pretty much the same.
I'll update as time goes on and when ics comes out.
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make sure to update device to latest system firmware. 33. it speeds things up and fixes alot of bugs.
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That's an extremely simplified explanation, and one that's not necessarily true.
For a while, a popular topic of discussion going around about ICS was that ICS incorporates hardware acceleration and multi-core support, whereas Honeycomb and Gingerbread don't. That was all pretty much dispelled by a well-known post from a Google engineer who explained that that was just a popular misconception, because Honeycomb already offers hardware acceleration and multi-core support.
If you asked me why ICS is faster, I think it boils down to 2 things: 1) it's just an overall cleaned up OS, and 2) it makes better use of the hardware available. It's not that it makes use of hardware which previous versions of Android didn't do at all (as pointed out, Honeycomb did have hardware acceleration and multi-core support), it's that I believe it will make better use of hardware. I'm not a Google engineer and so this is just a conjecture, but I'm fairly sure that you can be confident ICS makes better use of multi-cores. I think it's entirely reasonable to suggest that because Google knows one of the primary advantages of iOS is speed, and also because essentially all high end Android devices today are multi-core. If Google went into the development of ICS with the goal of making it a faster OS in order to close the gap with iOS, and they went into the development with the knowledge that essentially all devices that would use it would be multi-core, then they certainly put some effort into making better use of such hardware.
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optimization is the name of the game. so far with most devices that have early builds of ICS on them, everything seems faster, so theoretically the prime should scream.
just a couple weeks and we'll see.
as to the OP's question, i've played with an ipad2 and owned an ipad1, i feel like with a few tweaks (change the launcher, use a different browser) the prime is just as fast if not faster than the ipad2 for most things even on HC.
iOS def has android beat when it comes to the amount of tablet optimized apps and games though, hopefully android will pick up the pace after ICS helps to unify the phone/tablet fragments. i am quite impressed with the tegra3 optimized games quality and fluidity though.
I know this question has come up before, but still looking for some opinions. I just returned a transformer prime that I purchased due to some dead pixels on the display and have been questioning what I should do.
With the time I had with the prime, I was impressed overall with the experience. The wireless was on the weak side, but I didn't have an issue using it anywhere in my house I needed to. With the upcoming 1080p displays, I am thinking I will wait to get another tablet as I would like to use it to read and I'm sure the higher resolution will make a big difference. I also know that other manufacturers will be releasing competitive devices, so I may not stick with ASUS depending on what else is out there, although I do like that it seems like they are on top of updates and bugfixes unlike some of the other companies.
I have also been considering looking at the next ipad when it is released. I am definitely an android fan, and haven't used ios much other than playing a bit on other people's iphones. I know that there isn't as much OS customization available for the device, but I am not sure if that should be a deciding factor. I know the ipad defninitely has more tablet specific apps and even though android does handle scaling any app up to tablet size, some of the games and apps aren't that great. It also seems like if a company is going to release an app or a game that it will definitely be available for ios and may or may not be for android. I don't really haven't figured out what my overall use of the tablet will be, but I would hate to limit myself because an app I want isn't available.
I'm not sure what everybody's thought is on this. I know that this is an android specific forum, but I'm also sure that a lot of people probably own or have used an ipad and know it's strengths and weaknesses.
I am in the same boat with you. I have been holding off for a while before getting a prime. I was planning on picking one up tomorrow. I do not support apple products, nor do they stick out to me. they make great stuff. But sense all the new UI with android devices is improving daily, its awesome. Both Acer and Levono are coming out with a Tegra 3 quad core powered tablet in the near future. I have been lurking these forums for a while doing my research and checking reveiws and watching issues. While i really want the transformer prime aside from any other tablet out. I feel that some of these issues weigh heavy in my decision..
In short. if you like the tablet alot, give it another shot. If you do not. Wait and see what happens soon.
I would say that if you don't need a tablet right now, and you don't need a tablet with a keyboard dock then wait until there is more selection before making a new purchase. There is no sense in buying something you are unsure about, or keeping something that you aren't completely happy with.
As for the iPad, I have used them and while they are very smooth I just wasn't impressed with the OS itself. It ran fine (better than Android in a lot of ways) and there are a lot of apps available for it that I wish were on Android but the overall experience just never got me all that excited about the device. All in all the iPad is great, though. It just wasn't for me.
One thing to consider if you are moving from Android to iOS is that you will have to buy or find replacements for any apps that you have come to rely on. For most Android apps you will be able to find a direct replacement in iOS, but it would be an added expense on top of the cost of the new hardware. Also you would lose out on most Google services, so if you have come to rely on those the transition might be a little rough. Google makes apps for iOS but they are no where near as nice as they are on Android.
Getting new apps will be a bit of a pain, but I would assume there is an equivalent ios app for everything that I rely on with my phone. The google apps may be a problem. I will have to take a look to see how they work and if they will suit my needs.
My UK Prime is due for delivery this weekend, but I'm still 50/50 whether to cancel or not.
However, when I'm on the 50% side to persue the purchase it's because I realise there are unlikely to be any other competing tablets out for at least 6 months. If competing tablets are announced in mid to late Feb, stock won't be here until June or July.
I plan on keeping my Prime for 12 months. By xmas time, the tablet market should have matured nicely with the next wave of technology in them, and I'll look to sell my Prime and upgrade.
But I'm not willing to wait 6 months for something similar or better to come out.
I want one now and the only two tablets I'd consider are the iPad 2.5 (due in March) and the Prime.
http://www.slashgear.com/acer-iconia-tab-a510-tipped-to-hit-europe-in-march-14213354/
Interesting if this story holds true... MWC should be interesting with all the tablet announcements.
Iconia Tab a510 for roughly the same price as Prime...
HTC Quattro/Vertigo/whatever it is called now.... rumored to be released in March
& iPad 2S or iPad 3 from Apple...
All due for March... or at least based on speculation/rumor/media report..
As far as the unreleased competition goes, I still think the Prime (when non-defunct) is rather superior to all of the hopeful alternatives. Even if they don't turn out to be, there is no excitement.
In my mind the prime will be superior because of the dock. Until someone creates another tablet that can out perform the TFP and has the same or better dock, the TFP will be better.
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As far as the unreleased competition goes, I still think the Prime (when non-defunct) is rather superior to all of the hopeful alternatives. Even if they don't turn out to be, there is no excitement.
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In my mind the prime will be superior because of the dock. Until someone creates another tablet that can out perform the TFP and has the same or better dock, the TFP will be better.
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I agree. That Acer, although has tegra3, is lower spec in other aspects like cam, etc... The only other tablet that's gonna make some noise or have hype around it ipad2s or ipad3. For some reason I have a feeling new Ipad going to keep same chipset as in ipad2 but have higher Res. Display and maybe 1Gb of Ram. Apple good for only upgrading chipset every other release. All other tablets won't really have no hype around them like the Prime did. Other than new Ipad of course.
Might as well wait though. Tegra4 will be out after summertime or fall. Specs on Tegra4/Wayne chipset is beast.
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I agree. That Acer, although has tegra3, is lower spec in other aspects like cam, etc... The only other tablet that's gonna make some noise or have hype around it ipad2s or ipad3. For some reason I have a feeling new Ipad going to keep same chipset as in ipad2 but have higher Res. Display and maybe 1Gb of Ram. Apple good for only upgrading chipset every other release. All other tablets won't really have no hype around them like the Prime did. Other than new Ipad of course.
Might as well wait though. Tegra4 will be out after summertime or fall. Specs on Tegra4/Wayne chipset is beast.
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It's an alternative to those who do not want to deal with Prime's current issue (not that it's guaranteed that those upcoming tablets won't have any issue either)... Also, with the Iconia Tab.. excluding the "dock" feature & and Camera... everything else seems to be on par with Prime or better (higher display, slot for SIM card.. and etc).
Just a choice, or possible choice to those who are looking elsewhere...
Also, where are you getting this info on Tegra 4/Wayne being released after summer or fall? Based on few of my reading (such as Anandtech).. that 28nm quad-core from Nvidia seems destined for late this yr (at the earliest) or early next yr...
Based on Nvidia's history with Tegra 3 (which was due last summer/fall).. I'm going to guess that it won't be ready til next year...
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It's an alternative to those who do not want to deal with Prime's current issue (not that it's guaranteed that those upcoming tablets won't have any issue either)... Also, with the Iconia Tab.. excluding the "dock" feature & and Camera... everything else seems to be on par with Prime or better (higher display, slot for SIM card.. and etc).
Just a choice, or possible choice to those who are looking elsewhere...
Also, where are you getting this info on Tegra 4/Wayne being released after summer or fall? Based on few of my reading (such as Anandtech).. that 28nm quad-core from Nvidia seems destined for late this yr (at the earliest) or early next yr...
Based on Nvidia's history with Tegra 3 (which was due last summer/fall).. I'm going to guess that it won't be ready til next year...
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Yeah its like Q3/4 at the earliest for tegra4. With tegra3 being out before 2012 , there's a good chance we could see tegra4 device announce in fall and maybe a Christmas time release. I read some article talking about Nvidia getting things ready with it or ready to ramp up production of it. Ill try to find article n link it or post it.
Nothing wrong with alternatives. I'd go with Acer tegra3 over Lenovo one. Lenovo tablets never have any developer support and they are super slow in releasing firmware updates to latest releases. At least with Acer, they have support n have been recently releasing updates more often. I think their new A200 has ICS rolling out for it now. To the same version we have, 4.03. I thought that article you linked said new Acer has 1280x720 display. Primes is 1280x800. So they basically the same.
Did you hear about the latest news of how U.S. approved the acquisition of Motorola by Google? One more step and its a done deal. By this happening, Google will finally be in the hardware manufacturing sector now. Who knows what ingenious tablet they might concoct then. A Nexus tablet created and manufactured by Google themselves, since they will own Motorola, is seeming more n more like reality.
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Yeah its like Q3/4 at the earliest for tegra4. With tegra3 being out before 2012 , there's a good chance we could see tegra4 device announce in fall and maybe a Christmas time release. I read some article talking about Nvidia getting things ready with it or ready to ramp up production of it. Ill try to find article n link it or post it.
Nothing wrong with alternatives. I'd go with Acer tegra3 over Lenovo one. Lenovo tablets never have any developer support and they are super slow in releasing firmware updates to latest releases. At least with Acer, they have support n have been recently releasing updates more often. I think their new A200 has ICS rolling out for it now. To the same version we have, 4.03. I thought that article you linked said new Acer has 1280x720 display. Primes is 1280x800. So they basically the same.
Did you hear about the latest news of how U.S. approved the acquisition of Motorola by Google? One more step and its a done deal. By this happening, Google will finally be in the hardware manufacturing sector now. Who knows what ingenious tablet they might concoct then. A Nexus tablet created and manufactured by Google themselves, since they will own Motorola, is seeming more n more like reality.
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That article doesn't mention anything about resolution.. but from earlier reports & at CES.. it had 1920x1200. It does have 10.1 in display like Prime though.
Google's acquisition of Motorola doesn't interest me much. Not only is Google new & inexperienced in hardware division but you'll see some serious displeasure from other OEM (such as Samsung) if they were to "favor" Motorola... & create Google phone/tablets.
Granted I have my doubts on Win 8 (even as win dev.), if Google were to favor Motorola over other OEM, that'll certainly fuel & help OEMs switch their focus to Win 8 (heck, majority of them are paying MS already anyways for all the android devices they sell... they might as well just make the full switch & support Win 8 over Android instead).
demandarin said:
The only other tablet that's gonna make some noise or have hype around it ipad2s or ipad3. For some reason I have a feeling new Ipad going to keep same chipset as in ipad2 but have higher Res. Display and maybe 1Gb of Ram. Apple good for only upgrading chipset every other release. All other tablets won't really have no hype around them like the Prime did. Other than new Ipad of course.
Might as well wait though. Tegra4 will be out after summertime or fall. Specs on Tegra4/Wayne chipset is beast.
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I thought that the ipad3 was going towards A6 which is equivalent to the quad core? Or was that the iphone5?
junrider said:
I thought that the ipad3 was going towards A6 which is equivalent to the quad core? Or was that the iphone5?
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We don't know anything about Apple's next tablet. Everything up to this point has been RUMORS and speculation. The only "concrete" rumor that I have seem so far is the leaked picture of iOS being ready for quad-core. Btw, A6 is quad-core that is on 28nm (Tegra 3 is 40nm). Although, according to this link: http://www.macrumors.com/2012/02/08...e+(MacRumors+iPhone+Blog:+iOS+News+and+Rumors)
it could be dual-core as well. Either way, everything about Apple's next-gen products are nothing but rumors until their press event.
We'll find more about Apple's next-gen tablet in March.
I refuse to buy any Android phone other than a Nexus. I had the Nexus One, Nexus S, and imported the Galaxy Nexus. My experience with the Prime has reaffirmed my decision to go Nexus only. My plan is to stick it out with the Prime for a while until Google hopefully decides to release a Nexus tablet. If that doesn't happen, I'll have a lot of thinking to do re: my next tablet. These companies just can't be trusted - they just seem to churn out as many Android devices as they can and don't care about the quality of their products. At least Google stands behind the Nexus devices.
wow, if you thought asus was bad at making hardware, wait until you get a load of acer. out of the frying pan and into the fire...
nyijedi said:
I refuse to buy any Android phone other than a Nexus. I had the Nexus One, Nexus S, and imported the Galaxy Nexus. My experience with the Prime has reaffirmed my decision to go Nexus only. My plan is to stick it out with the Prime for a while until Google hopefully decides to release a Nexus tablet. If that doesn't happen, I'll have a lot of thinking to do re: my next tablet. These companies just can't be trusted - they just seem to churn out as many Android devices as they can and don't care about the quality of their products. At least Google stands behind the Nexus devices.
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nexus had its own hefty shares of issues also. no device is perfect or issue free. The latest nexus had tons of issues itself. no device is perfect. not even apple Ipad or iphone.
demandarin said:
nexus had its own hefty shares of issues also. no device is perfect or issue free. The latest nexus had tons of issues itself. no device is perfect. not even apple Ipad or iphone.
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Must you play the fanboi at every turn? It quickly becomes tiresome.
Five percent (5%) is the industry standard failure rate for consumer electronics. Failure rate, conservatively estimated, is closer to 30%.
No device is perfect, however some are "good enough". And others, as we have seen, are not. Now let it drop lest the constant bickering derail this thread as it has so many others.
demandarin said:
nexus had its own hefty shares of issues also. no device is perfect or issue free. The latest nexus had tons of issues itself. no device is perfect. not even apple Ipad or iphone.
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The few issues on the Galaxy Nexus (actually, I can only think of one that affected users overseas due to certain cell phone frequencies), were quickly and effectively addressed with an update. That's more than can be said for the numerous Prime problems.
hmm, two things.
1. the galaxy nexus is a samsung device, not a google device. samsung designed the hardware, samsung manufactures it. google collaborated with them on the requirements and design trade-offs and then prioritized gnexus hardware for the first round of ICS support. it is unsurprising that the overall quality and occurrence of issues on the gnexus is on par with samsung's other phones, which is to say, very low. but the special thing about nexus devices is not the hardware, it's the software, with google pushing out updates directly.
2. if you are looking for a tf201+dock alternative then i would keep an eye on the upcoming Lenovo IdeaPad S2. it will be released in Q2/Q3, probably around the same time as asus' TF700T. lenovo has a MUCH better track record of manufacturing quality than either asus or acer and hopefully this will continue with the S2. as far as features go, the S2 is essentially a tf201+dock clone with some minor variation in specs. perhaps the biggest concern is that lenovo looks to be modifying their version of android much more than asus has, and this is rarely a good thing. one of the many tech blog articles about the S2 is here:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/8/26...b-s2-a-10-1-inch-dual-core-android-4-0-tablet
nyijedi said:
I refuse to buy any Android phone other than a Nexus. I had the Nexus One, Nexus S, and imported the Galaxy Nexus. My experience with the Prime has reaffirmed my decision to go Nexus only. My plan is to stick it out with the Prime for a while until Google hopefully decides to release a Nexus tablet. If that doesn't happen, I'll have a lot of thinking to do re: my next tablet. These companies just can't be trusted - they just seem to churn out as many Android devices as they can and don't care about the quality of their products. At least Google stands behind the Nexus devices.
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I don't think the nexus has any better support. The difference is they are so open that the developer community can fix the software side of things which seems to be the biggest issue with Android for the most part. I am with you and only buy Nexus phones. I would buy a nexus tablet if it was available but hope that with an unlocked bootloader the Prime can be a close second eventually.
Even though we haven't heard a lot about it, the HTC Vertex (formerly Quattro) may be the next quad-core released. March-ish is the rumor. HTC's holding a press conference on the 27th at MWC to announced a bunch of devices. I had a Jetstream for a while and it was incredibly well built. Sense and all of its widgets were pretty cool in tablet form too.
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HTC to focus on quad-core tablet PCs and smartphones in 2012
Daniel Shen, Taipei; Steve Shen, DIGITIMES [Monday 21 November 2011]
HTC will focus on the production of quad-core tablet PCs and smartphones in the first half of 2012 competing with comparable devices to be released by rivals including Asustek Computer, Acer, Samsung Electronics and Lenovo, according to industry sources.
Competition for the quad-core chip segment among Qualcomm, Nvidia and Texas Instruments is heating up competition in the quad-core device sector, the sources noted.
While Asustek will spearhead the production of quad-core tablet PCs in December 2011, HTC will be a strong contender in the segment by releasing its first quad-core tablet, the HTC Quattro, in March 2012 at the earliest, the sources revealed.
The 10.1-inch Quattro will be powered a Nvidia Tegra 3 CPU and supports HTC Scribe, Beats audio, 3.5G/Wi-Fi, and HTC and Dropbox cloud services, according to smartphone blog pocketnow.com.
The pocketnow.com website also noted that the initial Nvidia quad-core lineups will also include the HTC Edge smartphone. The Edge will be also powered by an Nvidia 1.5GHz Tegra 3 CPU and come with a 4.7-inch display, 8-megapixel camera and 32GB memory, and supports HTC Sense 4.0 interface, HTC Watch, HTC Listen, HTC Read and HTC Play, stated a post on the pocketnow.com website.
HTC is also developing another quad-core smartphone, the HTC Zeta, which will be powered by a Qualcomm 2.5GHz CPU and equipped with a 4.5-inch display, 8-megapixel camera as well as Beats, HTC Sense 4.0 and complete cloud content, according to technology site engadget.
Editor's note: This article has been updated to properly attribute the information sources.
jaypm said:
hmm, two things.
1. the galaxy nexus is a samsung device, not a google device. samsung designed the hardware, samsung manufactures it. google collaborated with them on the requirements and design trade-offs and then prioritized gnexus hardware for the first round of ICS support. it is unsurprising that the overall quality and occurrence of issues on the gnexus is on par with samsung's other phones, which is to say, very low. but the special thing about nexus devices is not the hardware, it's the software, with google pushing out updates directly.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/8/26...b-s2-a-10-1-inch-dual-core-android-4-0-tablet
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Samsung does the actual manufacturing, but the phone is designed with input from Google. There's an official video from Google on Youtube that talks about this process.
More importantly -- and you touched on this issue -- the software and updates are done by Google, and they seem to do this very competently, unlike Asus (see their .13 update that screwed up a bunch of Primes, mine included).
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That article doesn't mention anything about resolution.. but from earlier reports & at CES.. it had 1920x1200. It does have 10.1 in display like Prime though.
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Technically the A5xx series has 1280x800 and the A7xx has 1920x1200. I was at CES and played with the A510 and it was a very nice and smooth device. Not as sleek looking as the Prime but it has a plastic back so it has a high chance of having better wifi, gps. Possibly not have any wifi+BT issue either (my acer a100 doesnt seem to have it). Also has micro usb/charger port in 1. So no need for proprietary Asus usb cable. I'm not sure what to call the charging connector though cause it looks like a micro usb but has a slight tab on the center. It's not MHL for sure. I forgot though if it had a full USB on the side. Need to check the rest of my pictures on my phone.
So for anyone not really into using a kb dock then this is a very competitive device against the Prime. As far as rear camera goes I'm not sure everyone uses it or at least I don't care for it as I have my phone camera thats easier to hold for taking pictures. So having one in the 1st place is just a plus. Posted some pics here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1451699
Col.Kernel said:
Must you play the fanboi at every turn? It quickly becomes tiresome.
Five percent (5%) is the industry standard failure rate for consumer electronics. Failure rate, conservatively estimated, is closer to 30%.
No device is perfect, however some are "good enough". And others, as we have seen, are not. Now let it drop lest the constant bickering derail this thread as it has so many others.
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its the truth..lol wasn't even comparing it to prime. Justba fact of technology. he made it seem google nexus is flawless, which its not. so I made my point already I didn't even mention prime so stop assuming. makes an ass of u and me. Ass U me lol
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...uted-shows-android-jelly-bean-is-version-4-1/
hmm.. Android 4.1 as Jellybean..
This should be interesting.
Who didn't know that Jellybean would be 4.1?
Everyone who thought that Jellybean would be 5.0 obviously wasn't paying attention to how many steps it took to get from Android 1.0 to 2.0 or how many point numbers Android 2 had before Google skipped up to 4.
Full number jumps are only for updates that bring major changes to core functionality and/or user experience.
@shinzz
don't try to jump on the bandwagon now on the so called "Rumored" tablet...lol
i will be getting one though. if its between $199-249 , it'll be a steal for the power you get.
after all that talk in my other threads you said not related to prime, you make this thread..lol Hypocrite. Its all good though. Its great to see the rumor is becoming reality now. This will be another one to add to list of Tegra3 powered devices i told you they were going to stick with tegra3.