GPU drivers for GT- S5830i ? - Galaxy Ace S5830i Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Has samsung released drivers for samsung galaxy ace GT-S5830i? As all of us know....we have a different GPU than the normal GT-S5830......i have heard that our GPU is better than the former ace'?
Any help about this would be appreciated

if this is same as SGY (which it is) then it may not have a dedicated GPU..

As far as i know the gpu is not entirely like galaxy y.Our drivers are different..I think broadcom has to release it..
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andy.acei said:
As far as i know the gpu is not entirely like galaxy y.Our drivers are different..I think broadcom has to release it..
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if there is gpu then there is driver for it in kernel sources and blobs in firmwares

http://opensource.samsung.com/index.jsp;jsessionid=4127BB81614787358080E5026BEBE124 can any body tell me what is this then?
if u search for our device there.....it shows some kernel and other files......are these the drivers we are looking for?

Androidnow said:
http://opensource.samsung.com/index.jsp;jsessionid=4127BB81614787358080E5026BEBE124 can any body tell me what is this then?
if u search for our device there.....it shows some kernel and other files......are these the drivers we are looking for?
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Those are only incomplete kernel sources that no one got ever to boot without source modifications.
The GT-S5830i the phone uses CPU for graphic rendering and it does not have a GPU and uses 90%(with the exception of the display RAM, internal memory) of the same hardware as Galaxy Y - proof? you can boot Y's ROM's on 5830i and vice versa.
Androidnow said:
Has samsung released drivers for samsung galaxy ace GT-S5830i? As all of us know....we have a different GPU than the normal GT-S5830......i have heard that our GPU is better than the former ace'?
Any help about this would be appreciated
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You heard wrong. The i model uses a Samsung CPU that's faster than 5830's, but because its used as a GPU replacement too the speed difference is minor

tomsons26 said:
Those are only incomplete kernel sources that no one got ever to boot without source modifications.
The GT-S5830i the phone uses CPU for graphic rendering and it does not have a GPU and uses 90%(with the exception of the display RAM, internal memory) of the same hardware as Galaxy Y - proof? you can boot Y's ROM's on 5830i and vice versa.
You heard wrong. The i model uses a Samsung CPU that's faster than 5830's, but because its used as a GPU replacement too the speed difference is minor
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Then whats broadcom videocore 4 thing?
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Androidnow said:
Then whats broadcom videocore 4 thing?
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There is no seperate gpu. This Broadcom Videocore 4 variant has been added into cpu itself so that cpu can perform graphical calculations.
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Then why on earth samsung had to name it Ace....it could have been galaxy Y plus or advance
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Androidnow said:
Then why on earth samsung had to name it Ace....it could have been galaxy Y plus or advance
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Lol...ask Samsung
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IF the Ace "i" has the same hardware as the SGY then......
CPU = Broadcom BCM21553 ARM11 832 MHz processor, ARMv6
CPU Data sheet = http://www.datasheetarchive.com/BCM2155*-datasheet.html
GPU = Broadcom BCM2763 VideoCore IV LPDDR2 128MB
GPU Data sheet = http://www.datasheetarchive.com/Bcm2763*-datasheet.html
According to Broadcom the processor/gpu is capable of encoding and decoding at full 1080p resolution.
I found this website of the SGY being overclocked to 900mhz.... he/she also supplies the kernel that he/she modified....if its any use to us.
http://advanced-droid.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/galaxy-y-s5360-overclock-900mhz.html

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IF the Ace "i" has the same hardware as the SGY then......
CPU = Broadcom BCM21553 ARM11 832 MHz processor, ARMv6
CPU Data sheet = http://www.datasheetarchive.com/BCM2155*-datasheet.html
GPU = Broadcom BCM2763 VideoCore IV LPDDR2 128MB
GPU Data sheet = http://www.datasheetarchive.com/Bcm2763*-datasheet.html
According to Broadcom the processor/gpu is capable of encoding and decoding at full 1080p resolution.
I found this website of the SGY being overclocked to 900mhz.... he/she also supplies the kernel that he/she modified....if its any use to us.
http://advanced-droid.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/galaxy-y-s5360-overclock-900mhz.html
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BCM2763? Nope
The i model and Galaxy Y has Broadcom VideoCore IV HW there is not much info what is it.
And interesting fact that's useful for gaming on these phones is that it supports only OpenGL ES 1.1, just as any software based GPU, because higher OpenGL ES version is not possible without a GPU.
OpenGL ES 1.1 was used back in Android 1.6 Donut days in 2009/early 2010
The original Ace has Adreno 200 which supports OpenGL ES 2.0 and is used in the cheap version of Xperia Play and a lot of other smartphones even today
OpenGL ES 1.1 VS OpenGL ES 2.0 is the same like DirectX 7 VS DirectX 9c

Samsung like " oh my gawd, we have no more qualcom processor left to put in the SGA"
"This broadcoms thinggy looks nice"
*puts the processor into SGA*
"This my friend, no longer just a galaxy ace, it is galaxy ace with an 'I'.
*sells SGA*
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To think back that SAMSUNG actually markets/advertise galaxy ace of having a powerfull qualcomm cpu, i wonder how the ace with i are marketed
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chekuhakim said:
Samsung like " oh my gawd, we have no more qualcom processor left to put in the SGA"
"This broadcoms thinggy looks nice"
*puts the processor into SGA*
"This my friend, no longer just a galaxy ace, it is galaxy ace with an 'I'.
*sells SGA*
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To think back that SAMSUNG actually markets/advertise galaxy ace of having a powerfull qualcomm cpu, i wonder how the ace with i are marketed
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Yeah Qualcomm stopped supporting and manufacturing ARMv6 chipsets in the end of 2011 so Samsung needed a replacement.

Maybe this is the reason my friend's new galaxy ace is on GB firmware not froyo.
It is quite a weird because she doesnt know how to use kies or odin.
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The SGY and the SGAi does not have a separate GPU chip.
Instead it has a Broadcom BCM21553 multimedia baseband processor, that not only has an integrated ARM11 processor running at 832mhz, but also a separate GPU within the same architecture. The same as the Qualcomm msm7227 and Adreno 200 chip.
While Qualcom chips are classed as "system-on-a-chip". The one chip die that handles the processing, graphics processing, usb interface, camera sound.
The Broadcom classes its chip as a '3G phone-on-a-chip'. Im assuming, reading the literature, that this chip takes care of the Processing, Graphics, 2G, 3G data connection and voice data........ although it doesn't mention anything about usb interfaces ect.
It also dose mention that it supports OpenGL 2.0
info from here
http://www.broadcom.com/products/Cellular/3G-Baseband-Processors/BCM21553
and here
http://www.broadcom.com/products/Mobile-Multimedia/Mobile-Multimedia-Processors/BCM2763
VideoCore Wiki link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VideoCore
Video Core Broadcom link
http://www.broadcom.com/products/technology/mobmm_videocore.php

[email protected] said:
The SGY and the SGAi does not have a separate GPU chip.
Instead it has a Broadcom BCM21553 multimedia baseband processor, that not only has an integrated ARM11 processor running at 832mhz, but also a separate GPU within the same architecture. The same as the Qualcomm msm7227 and Adreno 200 chip.
While Qualcom chips are classed as "system-on-a-chip". The one chip die that handles the processing, graphics processing, usb interface, camera sound.
The Broadcom classes its chip as a '3G phone-on-a-chip'. Im assuming, reading the literature, that this chip takes care of the Processing, Graphics, 2G, 3G data connection and voice data........ although it doesn't mention anything about usb interfaces ect.
It also dose mention that it supports OpenGL 2.0
info from here
http://www.broadcom.com/products/Cellular/3G-Baseband-Processors/BCM21553
and here
http://www.broadcom.com/products/Mobile-Multimedia/Mobile-Multimedia-Processors/BCM2763
VideoCore Wiki link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VideoCore
Video Core Broadcom link
http://www.broadcom.com/products/technology/mobmm_videocore.php
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Then why somehow benchmarks and system informations say that its extreamly crappy if its capable of 1080p video?
http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare....30i Galaxy Ace&D2=Samsung GT-S5830 Galaxy Ace
Look at GL_EXTENSIONS it doesn't even support something as old as cube maps that were introduced in 1996 or tiled rendering or paletted textures and the max texure resolution is 2048.
So correction its DirectX 6.1 VS DirectX 9c. :laugh:
According to this website it does support OpenGL ES 2.0 so i was wrong about that.

tomsons26 said:
Then why somehow benchmarks and system informations say that its extreamly crappy if its capable of 1080p video?
http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare....30i Galaxy Ace&D2=Samsung GT-S5830 Galaxy Ace
Look at GL_EXTENSIONS it doesn't even support something as old as cube maps that were introduced in 1996 or tiled rendering or paletted textures and the max texure resolution is 2048.
So correction its DirectX 6.1 VS DirectX 9c. :laugh:
According to this website it does support OpenGL ES 2.0 so i was wrong about that.
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There must be some code missing from the kernel limiting the capabilities if the chip. Damn Samsung. Which is why we don't have a complete kernel to compile.
Imagine if we had a "fully working" kernel....... It would compete with their more expensive products.
Here is an article and Youtube video I've found showing the awesomeness of the Videocore gpu (its dated 2009 and shows Videocore III not the new Videocore IV that our phone supposedly has).
http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile...-video-and-gaming-to-mobile-devices-20090112/
I think that the SGAi and SGY are a base model to see how this chip performs in the real world, and future phones made by Samsung will be using this chipset to its full potential, and that might be why they haven't released a fully working kernel.
Then again this is all speculation and i could be wrong.

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There must be some code missing from the kernel limiting the capabilities if the chip. Damn Samsung. Which is why we don't have a complete kernel to compile.
Imagine if we had a "fully working" kernel....... It would compete with their more expensive products.
Here is an article and Youtube video I've found showing the awesomeness of the Videocore gpu (its dated 2009 and shows Videocore III not the new Videocore IV that our phone supposedly has).
http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile...-video-and-gaming-to-mobile-devices-20090112/
I think that the SGAi and SGY are a base model to see how this chip performs in the real world, and future phones made by Samsung will be using this chipset to its full potential, and that might be why they haven't released a fully working kernel.
Then again this is all speculation and i could be wrong.
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I think you are right. Videocore 4 seems to be something better than adreno....its for samsung's new age devices. But until and unless we derive its full potential its of no use. We need to pursue samsung to help us in doing that. Is there a way so that they are forced to release it asap?
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Androidnow said:
I think you are right. Videocore 4 seems to be something better than adreno....its for samsung's new age devices. But until and unless we derive its full potential its of no use. We need to pursue samsung to help us in doing that. Is there a way so that they are forced to release it asap?
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Go to court and sue them

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[Q] about 3d drivers for galaxy i5800

will galaxy get 3d drivers or not?spica already got.and wokin good.what about this galaxy??this phone graphics sucking me to play many games.
It already has 3D drivers .
First, we need a source of 2.2, with all drivers. Then we can make some optimalizations, but don't think it will run every game at good framerate!
I think it will only let you play some games at better FPS (like Raging Thunder 2), games that doesn't work now (like Modern Combat: Sandstorm) I think will not work ever on this phone
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It already has 3D drivers .
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But can you please share your 3D drivers with us. So that we can also use it with our i5800. It would really be very nice of you.
Thanks in advance.
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Current Device = Samsung GT-i5801
JPF Clean ROM FroYo + JPB Kernel and some perf tweaks.
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But can you please share your 3D drivers with us. So that we can also use it with our i5800. It would really be very nice of you.
Thanks in advance.
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Well, they are included in the phone aren't they ? And they work not so bad..
Gsam101 said:
Well, they are included in the phone aren't they ? And they work not so bad..
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But whenever i try to play HD games or Sims 3 it only gives me white textures.
Spica does not have a GPU too...
with jpf+mod jpb kernel+lagfix2 quadrant says i have opengl es-cm 1.1 which is weird since i think i had 2.0 before :S. Could it be do to the jpb kernel?
P.S. I can play tank hero which says: "OpenGlL 3D graphics"
Gsam101 said:
It already has 3D drivers .
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what u have them already??
can u please share them?i'm not able to play so many games on my galaxy i5801.
thanks in advance.
if anyone have galaxy 5 then please check its GPU name using Quadrant sys info and share with us so that we can figure out WHY our galaxy 3 performs bad compared to galaxy 5.
Even galaxy 3 has better cpu.
snowcloud said:
if anyone have galaxy 5 then please check its GPU name using Quadrant sys info and share with us so that we can figure out WHY our galaxy 3 performs bad compared to galaxy 5.
Even galaxy 3 has better cpu.
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i5500-Galaxy 5-has a Qualcomm 7227 processor which features a real dedicated GPU, Adreno 200, which happens to be the SAME GPU that is found in the first generation Snapdragon processors! Galaxy 3 processor is SC56442A6E, which is not better than 7227, only the max operating frequency is higher.
That's why Galaxy 5 performs better than Galaxy 3...
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i5500-Galaxy 5-has a Qualcomm 7227 processor which features a real dedicated GPU, Adreno 200, which happens to be the SAME GPU that is found in the first generation Snapdragon processors! Galaxy 3 processor is SC56442A6E, which is not better than 7227, only the max operating frequency is higher.
That's why Galaxy 5 performs better than Galaxy 3...
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I want to inform every galaxy 3 owner that guys dont loose hope about 3d gameplay
I just bought galaxy 551 for my brother and to my surprise even though both the phones have identical processor and clocking frequency galaxy 551 scores 373 in 3d graphics in quadrant advanced.So maybe samsung or developers can do something to improve the 3d graphic drivers.
Cheers
rdass3646 said:
I want to inform every galaxy 3 owner that guys dont loose hope about 3d gameplay
I just bought galaxy 551 for my brother and to my surprise even though both the phones have identical processor and clocking frequency galaxy 551 scores 373 in 3d graphics in quadrant advanced.So maybe samsung or developers can do something to improve the 3d graphic drivers.
Cheers
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Galaxy 551 DOES NOT HAVE the same processor than the Galaxy 3 ! Try to compile/run a Galaxy 551 kernel on the Galaxy 3 and you'll see why i say that.
Gsam101 said:
Galaxy 551 DOES NOT HAVE the same processor than the Galaxy 3 ! Try to compile/run a Galaxy 551 kernel on the Galaxy 3 and you'll see why i say that.
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Well you might be correct on that aspect but the main problem about galaxy 3 is bad texture. compression which can be resolved via proper programing as the chipset in galaxy 3 does not require any dedicated gpu to run 3d programmes or games.but just to confirm I will try the 3d drivers of galaxy 551 on galaxy 3 as I have both the phones at my home.
Will post the results soon.
Thank s
disappointed that a lower priced Galaxy 5 has got a 3d processor while the higher version galaxy 3 didn't.
5800 does not support 3D cpu is not it?
G3 dosn't had any opengl hardware.
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why does the galaxy 551 supports 3d
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Criminal23 said:
G3 dosn't had any opengl hardware
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Our G3 already supports OpenGL 1.1
Swypnięte z i5800
Yes, It supports OpenGL 1.1, but CPU is rendering all, so that means we don't have OpenGL hardware

[Q] Galaxy S II - 2 types of processors

Hello, I saw somewhere that Galaxy S 2 has two different processors. I bought phone on saturday and I would like to find which processor has my phone? Any advice how to find out? And also,are they same quality or are they different?
Thank you
Google search is amazing, you should try it. Xda has a search feature also. If you got a box with your handset it probably mentions which one also.
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I'm not sure but i heard that the I9103 has the tegra processor but a lcd screen
Don't know if this is right or not
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Quick system info tells you which cpu you have among other things.
Hi I tryed but could not find anything. SO you think I should have Exynos because ihave I9100? Which one is better? I hope they are same.
PoTi_96 said:
I'm not sure but i heard that the I9103 has the tegra processor but a lcd screen
Don't know if this is right or not
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There's rumor about a HongKong version with Tegra 2 1.2Ghz and SAMOLED plus display
Also, the FCC certification records show three different models approved for the US market:
I9100 (FCCID: A3LGTI9100)
I9100T (FCCID: A3LGTI9100T)
I9100G (FCCID: A3LGTI9100G)
I'm assuming the I9100T is the Tegra version, based on the suffix. Nothing in the publicly available docs I've looked at confirms that. The I9100G is new -- it was apparently added to the FCC site earlier today.
3waygeek said:
Also, the FCC certification records show three different models approved for the US market:
I9100 (FCCID: A3LGTI9100)
I9100T (FCCID: A3LGTI9100T)
I9100G (FCCID: A3LGTI9100G)
I'm assuming the I9100T is the Tegra version, based on the suffix. Nothing in the publicly available docs I've looked at confirms that. The I9100G is new -- it was apparently added to the FCC site earlier today.
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Per Engadget/pocketnow, one of those must be a CDMA variant for verizon and Sprint
So I checked info in my phone and processor is 1.2 GHz ARM V7 dual core. No Tegra.I just hope that this processor is good. I think they used ARM for Galaxy S.
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shawt said:
So I checked info in my phone and processor is 1.2 GHz ARM V7 dual core. No Tegra.I just hope that this processor is good. I think they used ARM for Galaxy S.
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Both Tegra and Exynos are of same family.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#ARM_cores
They maybe little different in terms of implementation. I believe the Tegra 2 is without NEON instruction sets.
May not be a strictly easy way to compare which one is better. I think the general consensus is Exynos 4210 has overall better performance compared to the Tegra2.
I would think that you have Exynos (atleast I myself would like that).
cheers..
Bukem75 said:
Per Engadget/pocketnow, one of those must be a CDMA variant for verizon and Sprint
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My guess is that it's the G version. When I looked through the FCC docs last week, it appeared to me that the I9100 & I9100T supported AT&T's set of GSM frequencies, and were, in all aspects pertaining to FCC certification, identical.
I haven't had time to look at the FCC docs for the G version, as they were put up less than 24 hours ago, but if it's a CDMA version for Sprint/Verizon, it should be readily apparent by looking at the list of certification documents (i.e. they mention CDMA frequencies instead of GSM).
Galaxy S vs. Galaxy S2
OK I am quite worry about processor in my Galaxy S 2 now. I checked Galaxy S vs. galaxy S 2. In quadrant system informaton about CPU is this :
Galaxy S
Name : ARM v7 Processor rev 2(v7l)
Cores : 1
Architecture : 7
Revision : 2
Galaxy S2
Name : ARM v7 Processor rev 1(v7l)
Cores : 1 ... ?!?
Architecture : 7
Revision : 1
So did they used the same processor but just changed speed??? Cores 1 ??? Maybe system info is wrong, but I think this is strange, don't you think???
Maybe thsi program is not made for Android 2.3.3 ?
Do you know which code is for CPU information?
From what I read, Quadrant cannot dual cores, and lists it as one core.
Quadrant reads the LG Optimus 2X dual core as a single core. I presume it is thus for the i9100, and any other dual core 'phone.
I tryed few app from the market and they all read same information.Hopefully I have dual core CPU...
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shawt said:
I tryed few app from the market and they all read same information.Hopefully I have dual core CPU...
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What is the cpu speed on quadrant?
Under system information.
Current freq. : 200 MHz
Max freq. : 1200 MHz
Min freq. : 200 Mhz
Bogo MIPS : 1592.52
shawt said:
OK I am quite worry about processor in my Galaxy S 2 now. I checked Galaxy S vs. galaxy S 2. In quadrant system informaton about CPU is this :
Galaxy S
Name : ARM v7 Processor rev 2(v7l)
Cores : 1
Architecture : 7
Revision : 2
Galaxy S2
Name : ARM v7 Processor rev 1(v7l)
Cores : 1 ... ?!?
Architecture : 7
Revision : 1
So did they used the same processor but just changed speed??? Cores 1 ??? Maybe system info is wrong, but I think this is strange, don't you think???
Maybe thsi program is not made for Android 2.3.3 ?
Do you know which code is for CPU information?
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Quadrant just gets it wrong, don't worry your S2 is fine and does have a Dual-Core 1.2ghz processor just look at your quadrant result...3000+ you're not going to get that on a stock Kernel from any single core phone are you ?
Hope that helps you
Thank you I had about 3000 just wanted to know what type processor I have in my phone.
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From what I read, Quadrant cannot dual cores, and lists it as one core.
Quadrant reads the LG Optimus 2X dual core as a single core. I presume it is thus for the i9100, and any other dual core 'phone.
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Since KE7, quadrant is reporting 2 cores
well yours is a uk one, so we have the exynos version , which is the superior of the 2

Evo 3d gpu

So is it true that the GPU on the EVO 3D sucks? Or is outdated? I've heard some people say its actually worse than the NS4G's GPU. I want to play some demanding games so the GPU to me is important. How will it run N64oid and the PSX emulator? I'm coming from the hero so there is no question there, but if what everyone says is true about it being worse than the NS4G's GPU then to me it's kind of a disappointment in that regard.
I guess I should rephrase one of my questions. I'm asking how it will run the emulators because I saw someone using a SG playing on the N64oid and it seemed pretty laggy, and if i'm not mistaken that has the same/similar GPU to the NS4G?
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So is it true that the GPU on the EVO 3D sucks? Or is outdated? I've heard some people say its actually worse than the NS4G's GPU. I want to play some demanding games so the GPU to me is important. How will it run N64oid and the PSX emulator? I'm coming from the hero so there is no question there, but if what everyone says is true about it being worse than the NS4G's GPU then to me it's kind of a disappointment in that regard.
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the emulators use the CPU, the Evo 3D will be fine, the PSX emulator runs fine on my 18 month old Desire
From everything that I have read, the 3D's GPU is suppose to be one of the best out right now.......
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From everything that I have read, the 3D's GPU is suppose to be one of the best out right now.......
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Yeah, I've heard that too. So it makes me wonder whats really true? It might tell you something that I heard the GPU isn't very good from the NS boards ... but I think i've heard it on these boards too, just not near as much
Look up you tube videos of the gpu in action. Nuff said
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Maybe this will calm your fears
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhBuMW2f_NM
Here a better one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehfyxvh2W4k&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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The GPU in the Evo3D should be the best out right now. Supposed to be up to twice as fast/powerful as Tegra2. It does appear that some optimizations need to be done to take advantage of this GPU though, hence some of the early, low benchmarks.
The GPU is the fastest right now. NO need to specualte, it will be until tegra 3 comes out, but I think it will still match tegra 3 in most benchmarks. SGX540 is good but adreno 220 is faster.
What about de CPU ? It's worst than the Galaxy S CPU or better ?
jamhawk said:
What about de CPU ? It's worst than the Galaxy S CPU or better ?
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It's probably a touch slower than the CPU in the Galaxy S2, but probably not enough to be important.
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It's probably a touch slower than the CPU in the Galaxy S2, but probably not enough to be important.
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Depends if the US Galaxy 2's are going to be Tegra or Exynos
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Depends if the US Galaxy 2's are going to be Tegra or Exynos
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Now that's gonna make all the difference.
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well this cpu has a totally different desgin. if you look at the videos it is plenty fast, I highly doubt it would not be able to do that the samsung processor would be able to do, other than bench a little higher. If and when this phone gets ICS it will probably be better off because of the gpu it uses, I believe the gs2 still uses sgx540 and the adreno is certainly newer and better. SGX540 is still one hell of a chip, but adreno 220 is actually better.
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well this cpu has a totally different desgin. if you look at the videos it is plenty fast, I highly doubt it would not be able to do that the samsung processor would be able to do, other than bench a little higher. If and when this phone gets ICS it will probably be better off because of the gpu it uses, I believe the gs2 still uses sgx540 and the adreno is certainly newer and better. SGX540 is still one hell of a chip, but adreno 220 is actually better.
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Actually the gs2 uses a Mali gpu..I still think the adreno outclasses it..they both have advantages over each other tho..but plenty of muscle for any mobile platform
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Actually the gs2 uses a Mali gpu..I still think the adreno outclasses it..they both have advantages over each other tho..but plenty of muscle for any mobile platform
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This thread slightly confuses me. The OP mentions the NS4G in the first post, then we have someone coming in asking about comparisons to the Galaxy S, (S or S2?) and everyone answers about the GS2. Quick stat breakdown to answer whatever question is actually being asked here
Nexus S 4G has:
1.0 single core Hummingbird CPU
SGX540 GPU
Galaxy S has:
1.0 single core Hummingbird CPU
SGX540 GPU
Galaxy S2 (Euro) has:
1.2 dual core Orion CPU
Mali 400 GPU
Evo 3D Has:
1.2 dual core MSM8660 CPU
Adreno 220 GPU
(Infoz from GSMArena)
The Nexus S and Galaxy S are last generation's phones, so to answer the OP... No. The Evo 3d doesn't have the same GPU/CPU as the NS4G. Not even similar. It's a generation (Maybe even 2) up. The Evo 4g is slightly slower than the NS4G, and it's running a 1.0 snapdragon with an Adreno 200 (Not even a 205, which is in the next in line before the 220).
As for the GS2 Vs. Evo 3D, they're supposed to be on par with each other, with the GS2 maybe being a bit faster, since Qualcomm isn't the best with GPU's. (Personal opinion) However, AFAIK nobody has done any real testing on the Sensation vs the GS2 (same CPU/GPU) so there's no real data backing up that claim... The GS2 DOES have better benchmark scores though, so take that as you will.
Disclaimer: I found all the numbers on the internets. They may be wrong.
You can't really prove anything without having any concrete proof. There are still no scientific or a dedicated performance comparison with all the gpus found on a dual core.
I say all the post on this thread are just personal opinions.
The only thing we can compare now are benchmark results w/c are not even that credible.
Benchmarks(anandtech, quadrant etc)
1. Exynos
2. TI omap
3. Tegra 2
4. Qualcomm
5. Hummingbird
Now if only the qualcomm dual core uses cortex a9. I wonder why they choose cortex a8 instead of a9. Cortex a8 is so old hardware now
Don't worry too much about the a8 vs a9 thing...tje differences are not huge..45nm vs 40 nm .also Qualcomm heavily optimized the scorpion that it can actually perform processes that a9 can't..it will provide plenty of power..I would go into more details but that seems to upset some people on other threads
peacekeeper05 said:
You can't really prove anything without having any concrete proof. There are still no scientific or a dedicated performance comparison with all the gpus found on a dual core.
I say all the post on this thread are just personal opinions.
The only thing we can compare now are benchmark results w/c are not even that credible.
Benchmarks(anandtech, quadrant etc)
1. Exynos
2. TI omap
3. Tegra 2
4. Qualcomm
5. Hummingbird
Now if only the qualcomm dual core uses cortex a9. I wonder why they choose cortex a8 instead of a9. Cortex a8 is so old hardware now
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Almost all of the GPU benchmarks I've seen go like this:
1. Qualcomm
2. TI omap
3. Exynos
4. Tegra 2
5. Hummingbird
Qualcomm uses a8 because they don't use the reference designs from arm. Snapdragon outperforms the cortex a8 reference by 20-30% making it pretty close to the a9 reference

How can be xperia t better than galaxy s3?

look at this : http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_tx_t_and_v_benchmarks_are_here_promising_too-news-4722.php
in the results, the new line of sony xperias, r getting better results on benchmarks than galaxy s3. How can it be? How xperia t with almost the same specification than xperia s gets better results than galaxy s3 with his quadcore processor ?
Quad core is not yet optimized in android
Android is not ready yet for quad core
Dual core is more than enough for android (well ICS)
Because i think jellybean quad core will do better (CMIIW)
Its not just Xperia T all device that use S4 "krait" Dual Core benchmark is always better than exynos
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Its the next gen snapdragon S4 plus krait processor..u can find out about those over at their site Qualcomm Snapdragon Processors. Just because S3 and HTC ONE X has quad core doesnt make it act fast coz despite of the cores, the normal apps doesn need to use the quads. May be ull get better gaming fps and smoothness with tegra 3 but when its come to web browsing, stability and working potential the snapdragon chipsets actually does a lot of good work. Waiting for the LG Optimus G. Heard they used S4 PRO Quad Krait
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Its the next gen snapdragon S4 plus krait processor..u can find out about those over at their site Qualcomm Snapdragon Processors. Just because S3 and HTC ONE X has quad core doesnt make it act fast coz despite of the cores, the normal apps doesn need to use the quads. May be ull get better gaming fps and smoothness with tegra 3 but when its come to web browsing, stability and working potential the snapdragon chipsets actually does a lot of good work. Waiting for the LG Optimus G. Heard they used S4 PRO Quad Krait
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Quad Krait
Sounds pretty scary
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and about the difference on results between xperia t and xperia s?
conanjf said:
look at this : http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_tx_t_and_v_benchmarks_are_here_promising_too-news-4722.php
in the results, the new line of sony xperias, r getting better results on benchmarks than galaxy s3. How can it be? How xperia t with almost the same specification than xperia s gets better results than galaxy s3 with his quadcore processor ?
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Because cores != performance.
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Because it's not about number of cores.
Typically the phones with more cores run them at slower clock speeds, canceling out the difference.
It's all about getting a BALANCED spec, which includes I/O rates, flash speed, memory channels, memory bandwidth, cpu cores, cpu power management latency and literally hundreds of other factors.
Both Sony and Samsung are tier 1 manufacturers, which is why they know how to spend money in the right areas when it comes to component costs.
conanjf said:
and about the difference on results between xperia t and xperia s?
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XS Use S3 processor, No Ext Memory, no LTE, 12mp camera
While XT S4 processor, Ext Mem, LTE support, and 14mp camera
If you talking about benchmark
Its pretty far i think thanks to the S4
But the downside is the illumination bar
I really love that bar. if xperia T have that bar i will upgrade without thinking anymore
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Quad Krait
Sounds pretty scary
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The new gen S4 PRO comes in two form, Dual and Quad..LG Optimus G went with the Quad 1.5GHz and a shattering 320GPU. Its gona be pretty fast in 3D rendered games for sure and as its Qualcomm then u can very easily bet that there battery consumption will be less than usual Quads
Qualcomm doesn't use reference ARM Design. they just get the license for A9/A15.
They have their own Design like Apple with their SoC.
The Sony Xperia S has the MSM8660 which is a Snapdragon S3 (45nm, Single Channel RAM, Andreno 220 GPU).
The Sony Xperia T has the MSM8260a which is a Snapdragon S4 (28nm, Dual Channel RAM, Andreno 225 GPU).
The difference is also in the architecture.
S3 = Scorpion: This is the own Design of Qualcomm which is compareable with ARM Cortex A9
S4 = Krait: This is also designed by Qualcomm and is compareable with ARM Cortex A15
The performance of Snapdragon SoC's is incredible. Its not just, that Android is not yet optimized for Quad-Core SoC's but also the Design.
There are already benches available showing the APQ8064 which is a Quad-Core with Andreno 320 GPU. There is no compareable SoC at the moment and if I'm not wrong the LG Optimus G will get this SoC (Q1/Q2 2013).
PhilAd said:
Qualcomm doesn't use reference ARM Design. they just get the license for A9/A15.
They have their own Design like Apple with their SoC.
The Sony Xperia S has the MSM8660 which is a Snapdragon S3 (45nm, Single Channel RAM, Andreno 220 GPU).
The Sony Xperia T has the MSM8260a which is a Snapdragon S4 (28nm, Dual Channel RAM, Andreno 225 GPU).
The difference is also in the architecture.
S3 = Scorpion: This is the own Design of Qualcomm which is compareable with ARM Cortex A9
S4 = Krait: This is also designed by Qualcomm and is compareable with ARM Cortex A15
The performance of Snapdragon SoC's is incredible. Its not just, that Android is not yet optimized for Quad-Core SoC's but also the Design.
There are already benches available showing the APQ8064 which is a Quad-Core with Andreno 320 GPU. There is no compareable SoC at the moment and if I'm not wrong the LG Optimus G will get this SoC (Q1/Q2 2013).
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For better GPU performance, i have seen Qualcomm betting more on MSM8960 than any other. I am waiting for S4 PRO MSM8960T chipset review (will surely be used over TABS only) lets see what it got. Didnt read nor know anything about APQ8064 model and i dont think dat we will get to know about that chipset unless LG releases their Optimus G. Xperia T has the AP series from S4 PLUS but S4 PRO is a total new ball game . Am guessing that the next gen S4 chips can easily be overclocked to 2GHz+ as my Xperia-S is already running on 1.78GHZ smoothly and its a Dual Core S3 . LG announced 2GB of ram for the Optimus G so, basically, 2GHz+ of overclocked QUAD PROCESSOR with 2GB ram is a must have for any enthusiast android developer/user. And if they manufacturer make it to a perfection than for sure its a must kept for the next 2/3 years as android for quads, wont be developed before that time but WITHIN that time. That 320GPU is already like a cherry on top so for now, am just keeping my fingers crossed to know how the battery will perform :fingers-crossed:. Then again, thats just my prediction and thoughts . As is said before, Qualcomm already won my faith over their chipsets . More like Dejavu ..More power work yet less power consumed
Theonlyzii said:
Quad core is not yet optimized in android
Android is not ready yet for quad core
Dual core is more than enough for android (well ICS)
Because i think jellybean quad core will do better (CMIIW)
Its not just Xperia T all device that use S4 "krait" Dual Core benchmark is always better than exynos
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If in future quadcore will be good for android then s3 not gonna be outdated soon
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If in future quadcore will be good for android then s3 not gonna be outdated soon
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It's not only quadcore + Android not optimized to be the reason that Xperia T and other new Krait S4 CPU powered phones are better then Samsung's S3.
The S3 is powered by the tegra 3, and tegra 3 isn't the newest CPU anymore. It's just the fact that the S4 processor from Qualcomm is newer and better optimized then tegra 3.
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krabappel2548 said:
It's not only quadcore + Android not optimized to be the reason that Xperia T and other new Krait S4 CPU powered phones are better then Samsung's S3.
The S3 is powered by the tegra 3, and tegra 3 isn't the newest CPU anymore. It's just the fact that the S4 processor from Qualcomm is newer and better optimized then tegra 3.
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S3 powered by Tegra 3? Where did you read that? It has either the Quad Core Exynos or Dual Core S4 Krait in some models variations.
krabappel2548 said:
It's not only quadcore + Android not optimized to be the reason that Xperia T and other new Krait S4 CPU powered phones are better then Samsung's S3.
The S3 is powered by the tegra 3, and tegra 3 isn't the newest CPU anymore. It's just the fact that the S4 processor from Qualcomm is newer and better optimized then tegra 3.
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LOL S3 have Quad Core Exynos .. Tegra 3 is for HTC ONE X and Xperia T came with S4 Plus Dual Core Krait which actually has beaten S3 and HTC both to some serious extent. Hell, HTC ONE S beats one x to some serious level BOTTOM LINE : Qualcomm holds the authentic brain power for androids

[Q] Low scores on Antutu benchmark with Samsung S3 LTE

I am really confused.
When I test my brand new Samsung S3 LTE with 2gb of RAM my scores are usually 12500.
When I compare it from the Antutu list of phones against Samsung S3 (normal version with 1gb RAM) the score is about 16000.
??? Why is that?
Sorry if I am posting to the wrong place.
hrcoprco said:
I am really confused.
When I test my brand new Samsung S3 LTE with 2gb of RAM my scores are usually 12500.
When I compare it from the Antutu list of phones against Samsung S3 (normal version with 1gb RAM) the score is about 16000.
??? Why is that?
Sorry if I am posting to the wrong place.
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Benchmarks are unreliable is why see multiple posts on the subject .
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hrcoprco said:
I am really confused.
When I test my brand new Samsung S3 LTE with 2gb of RAM my scores are usually 12500.
When I compare it from the Antutu list of phones against Samsung S3 (normal version with 1gb RAM) the score is about 16000.
??? Why is that?
Sorry if I am posting to the wrong place.
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Thry could be using mods such as custom roms and kernels for example.
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this is because samsung galaxy 3 LTE has a dual core and regular galaxy 3 has a quad core processor
hahayesimsam said:
this is because samsung galaxy 3 LTE has a dual core and regular galaxy 3 has a quad core processor
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do you mean i9305?you're joking, right?
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=5001&idPhone2=4238
Hardware and design
The S III comes in two distinct variations that differ primarily in the internal hardware. The international S III version has Samsung's Exynos 4 Quad system on a chip (SoC) containing a 1.4 GHz quad-core ARM Cortex-A9 central processing unit (CPU) and an ARM Mali-400 MP graphics processing unit (GPU). According to Samsung, the Exynos 4 Quad doubles the performance of the Exynos 4 Dual used on the S II, while using 20 percent less power. Samsung had also released several 4G LTE versions—4G facilitates higher-speed mobile connection compared to 3G—in selected countries to exploit the corresponding communications infrastructures that exist in those markets.[44] Most of these versions use Qualcomm's Snapdragon S4 SoC featuring a dual-core 1.5 GHz Krait CPU and an Adreno 225 GPU. The South Korean and Australia versions are a hybrid of the international and 4G-capable versions.
hahayesimsam said:
Hardware and design
The S III comes in two distinct variations that differ primarily in the internal hardware. The international S III version has Samsung's Exynos 4 Quad system on a chip (SoC) containing a 1.4 GHz quad-core ARM Cortex-A9 central processing unit (CPU) and an ARM Mali-400 MP graphics processing unit (GPU). According to Samsung, the Exynos 4 Quad doubles the performance of the Exynos 4 Dual used on the S II, while using 20 percent less power. Samsung had also released several 4G LTE versions—4G facilitates higher-speed mobile connection compared to 3G—in selected countries to exploit the corresponding communications infrastructures that exist in those markets.[44] Most of these versions use Qualcomm's Snapdragon S4 SoC featuring a dual-core 1.5 GHz Krait CPU and an Adreno 225 GPU. The South Korean and Australia versions are a hybrid of the international and 4G-capable versions.
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oh lol you meant this haha my bad
yupe, many devices out there to make us spend much more hahaahahahah

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