Hi
I have a pretty serious problem with the battery life on my tg01! I've read the other threads here and at Modaco on the battery problems but thought I'd raise it again. I have a mugen battery now (1100) but am barely getting a couple of hours use. The battery indicator gets stuck and can go from 100% to 40 suddenly, before a few minutes later switching off. I have the original wm 6.1 rom and spb mobile shell 3.5, but the problem was there still when that was uninstalled. I can leave it charging overnight and the battery can suddenly drop and be dead in a few hours.
I'd have thought mugen battery, although only a 1100 one would have made the difference, but there's something definitely wrong because it should not be that bad!!!
What do you suggest is the best thing to do?? Will a different rom definitely solve it? or will it be down to one of the numerous programs I've installed? Or something else? A faulty phone?? It's a problem others definitely have, but is there a single working solution??
cheers!!
as far as i know battery life is a problem with all tg01's, atleast i have the same problem. the huge screen takes alot of power, add 3g or wifi and your phones going to be dead within 2 hours ! one way to overcome this is to make sure you disable data connections when not needed and reduce the backlight settings. i've been able to get over 24 hours using this method but if you want longer life the only real solution im aware of is to get the 2600 mugen battery.
EDIT: I should also mention sense and other memory hungry apps ie opera will effect battery life greatly, infact i find if i use sense my phone can be dead within 8 hours and thats with minimal useage. Constant use of opera will have the phone drained in a matter of an hour and a half.
As for a rom solving it, i dont really think its tied to a rom in anyway but you may want to try noskers rom - i find this one to be the most stable and battery life definately seems longer but i may be imagining that !
Get Task Manager, go to tab "Devices" and stop device "BAT1". Battery indicator will not work, but you can use tg01 till battery fully discharge. After power off (there will be no "shutting down" screen) plug charger immediately.
By this you will use all the capacity of battery, so you can determine if it's battery problem or tg01 battery level measuring circuit.
I've heard about battdrvr.dll modifications for other PPCs to use with higher capacity batteries, but couldn't find anything for tg01.
What Power Saving Settings do you use?
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Get Task Manager, go to tab "Devices" and stop device "BAT1". Battery indicator will not work, but you can use tg01 till battery fully discharge. After power off (there will be no "shutting down" screen) plug charger immediately.
By this you will use all the capacity of battery, so you can determine if it's battery problem or tg01 battery level measuring circuit.
I've heard about battdrvr.dll modifications for other PPCs to use with higher capacity batteries, but couldn't find anything for tg01.
What Power Saving Settings do you use?
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will try that definitely. it happens with the new mugen battery too however.
The Power Saving Settings I use are CPU medium (have tried low and high too), limit CPU speed for battery (tried on and off options) Wifi power consumption, restrict sleep mode OFF, Enable Wifi during sleep mode to OFF, backlight very low. Adjust backlight automatically OFF, 30 seconds backlight timer, 1 minute device sleep timer.
I am guessing there is a rogue program using up the CPU constantly running down the battery. Have you tried a hard reset? (probably a good idea to upgrade the ROM while your at it )
Well I've tried disabling the battery device in task manager. I'm not sure that made a difference, but at least I wasn't able to see the meter jump around..
a hard reset may well sort it, and may end up doing that. I can't see any high intensity CPU programs. anything else? will google latitude suck up the battery this quick?
One other thing which has started recently, which may persuade me to hard reset is that the blue led light flashes long after an sms has arrived. a soft reset stops this, but it will start again when another sms comes through. I've tried one such notification reset program on this forum but its made no difference.
what can be done to stop this?
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I should really have considered another post really called niggles I need to sort out on my TG01.
But how can I stop the screen going off immediately when a call comes in? I'd rather it waits say 10 secs then go off. the options in pocket toolman do not seem to work. I need the screen on a bit because often I switch to speaker straight away.
When I plug the charger in the TG01 the battery will charge up to 100%. The charging process will then stop (orange light turns off and never goes on again).
If my backlight or wifi is turned on, or anything else is running, the battery will start draining back down, but the charging process will not re-start. The battery will display 100% full as it might somehow detect the charger is plugged-in (?).
When I start using it, although the battery might have drained down to 40%, it will show 100% then suddenly jump to show the actual battery level.
I used to charge it overnight with backlight at full level and it would go from 100% to 0% after using it for a minute or two in the morning. I couldn't turn the device back on, even with charger plugged back in because the battery was so empty.
The trick is to turn off the backlight / wifi when it's done charging, or if you charge overnight, turn it completely off so it doesn't drain the battery when it's done charging.
hope this helps
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When I plug the charger in the TG01 the battery will charge up to 100%. The charging process will then stop (orange light turns off and never goes on again).
If my backlight or wifi is turned on, or anything else is running, the battery will start draining back down, but the charging process will not re-start. The battery will display 100% full as it might somehow detect the charger is plugged-in (?).
When I start using it, although the battery might have drained down to 40%, it will show 100% then suddenly jump to show the actual battery level.
I used to charge it overnight with backlight at full level and it would go from 100% to 0% after using it for a minute or two in the morning. I couldn't turn the device back on, even with charger plugged back in because the battery was so empty.
The trick is to turn off the backlight / wifi when it's done charging, or if you charge overnight, turn it completely off so it doesn't drain the battery when it's done charging.
hope this helps
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This is not true. When the battery charges up fully, the orange charging light is extinguished to let you know it has finished charging, however the battery is still supplied with power to keep it fully charged. I know this because I use GPS alot on the phone and when it's fully charged using the car charger, it will still be 100%.
Try hard resetting your phone too. If it doesn't work, then there is something wrong with your phone!
Well it's bizzarre... the battery meter on the tg01 is certainly pretty dodgy.
with the flashing leds, what does anyone suggest? is there a way to change the led notifications back to default?
And regarding the screen going off immediately when a call comes in, it looks like there's no fix - similar threads still have no answer, unless anyone has more suggestions?
Update: I have done a full hard reset and a wm6.5 upgrade but the battery issues are still here. Has everyone who has had this issue taken it back to orange? It barely lasts 5 hours the battery.
Anything else at all to suggest???
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This is not true. When the battery charges up fully, the orange charging light is extinguished to let you know it has finished charging, however the battery is still supplied with power to keep it fully charged. I know this because I use GPS alot on the phone and when it's fully charged using the car charger, it will still be 100%.
Try hard resetting your phone too. If it doesn't work, then there is something wrong with your phone!
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I stand corrected.
While this was true before and had tested a few times with two different TG01 both with Orange UK stock ROM, I have retested it now and it does not happen anymore, but I have flashed a new ROM...
Apologies for the confusion.
Hi all
I was reading this thread and preferred to add my 'query' here rather than start a new one.
My TG01 has an original WM 6.5 rom minus the SPB Shell. I haven't experiences any negative experiences yet except for the fact that I have often heard about charging the battery for 8 hours etc and charging it with phone off which I always do except on few occasions I connect with USB cable to my pc /laptop...in my case I will charge my set with the toshiba wall charger that came with the set and orange LED will illuminate a few seconds after charger is plugged-in..from there onwards the orange LED will stay illuminated for maximum 3 to 4 hours and then will turn-off. I am not having any battery problems except for the usual battery drain depending on usage and apps but nothing unusual.
I'd like to know if this is normal? Is anybody else experiencing this? Not charging more than 3 to 4 hours (orange LED turning off after 3 to 4 hours).
I would appreciate some help on this 'doubt'
Thanks
I think it's problem with driver and charging akku. I have custom rom with 6.5.5
and when i charge my akku when it is on 20 % after 20-30 min shows me that 90 % full... After 1 1/2 hour akku full charged.
Greets ALcAtRas
maciek90 said:
Get Task Manager, go to tab "Devices" and stop device "BAT1". Battery indicator will not work, but you can use tg01 till battery fully discharge. After power off (there will be no "shutting down" screen) plug charger immediately.
By this you will use all the capacity of battery, so you can determine if it's battery problem or tg01 battery level measuring circuit.
I've heard about battdrvr.dll modifications for other PPCs to use with higher capacity batteries, but couldn't find anything for tg01.
What Power Saving Settings do you use?
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is this a solution to the 20% wifi problem?
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is this a solution to the 20% wifi problem?
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Well. it's not the solution, but this procedure can be a useful roundabout to access to wifi, or allow you to take a vital picture when you really need it and your battery is under 20% charge.
Imagine that you must send urgently a picture and you can't do it because someone from Toshiba decided this stupid limitation when you are at the end of the battery life.. following the maciek90's procedure, you can save this limitation and drain your battery up to the 0% if you want
Bravo maciek90! and thank you
Pere said:
Well. it's not the solution, but this procedure can be a useful roundabout to access to wifi, or allow you to take a vital picture when you really need it and your battery is under 20% charge.
Imagine that you must send urgently a picture and you can't do it because someone from Toshiba decided this stupid limitation when you are at the end of the battery life.. following the maciek90's procedure, you can save this limitation and drain your battery up to the 0% if you want
Bravo maciek90! and thank you
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thanks for the info Pere!
guys, also another thing i learnt from my physics class is that putting a recharegable battery in the freezer for 1 hr, somehow give it longer battery! I tried this on my tg01 battery, it strangely worked , or it was all in my mind!
you've gotta make sure the battery isnt wet from condensation when you put itback in the phone! my battery last slightly longer. i dont do it often, only once every now and again... try at your own risk!
olyloh6696 said:
thanks for the info Pere!
guys, also another thing i learnt from my physics class is that putting a recharegable battery in the freezer for 1 hr, somehow give it longer battery! I tried this on my tg01 battery, it strangely worked , or it was all in my mind!
you've gotta make sure the battery isnt wet from condensation when you put itback in the phone! my battery last slightly longer. i dont do it often, only once every now and again... try at your own risk!
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...the duracell bunny was a penguin
Not, seriously, I'll try it and if it works..but all it sounds incredible!
Best regards
Pere said:
...the duracell bunny was a penguin
Not, seriously, I'll try it and if it works..but all it sounds incredible!
Best regards
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Aha
I seriously warn you be careful of condensarion!
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By this you will use all the capacity of battery, so you can determine if it's battery problem or tg01 battery level measuring circuit.
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I definitely think it is either level measuring circuit problem or battery driver itself - not too big power consumption.
I can repeat without any problems situation where battery level suddenly decreases about 20-30% . I noticed it only during internet operations via GSM so utilizing radio. Why , I do not know . How to fix it ? I do not know yet but it is enough to restart system so that battery indicator start to show correct value - until next failure .
I thought when bad indication occures it would be enough to stop-start baterry driver using way You described. It does not work. Stopping driver cause battery indicator shows unknown level. Starting driver not fix it. Battery indicator still shown unknown value. Only restart fix it. It should not behave this way.
Maybe problem is not in driver but top bar of today screen when battery indicator exists, should have any kind of reset too?
BTH. What software is responsible for displaying battery indicator ?
Regards
fxdjacentyfxd
Today morning next described previously error concerned with GSM radio.
I had GSM radio switched off in the night and phone in sleep mode.
Morning, when I set phone to operational mode , battery indicator showed 50% - the same as yesterday evening.
When I switched GSM radio on, battery indicator suddenly showed 30% and none phone operation could change it. Only system restart caused battery indicator started to show correct value again - 50%
Regards
fxdjacentyfxd
fxdjacentyfxd said:
Today morning next described previously error concerned with GSM radio.
I had GSM radio switched off in the night and phone in sleep mode.
Morning, when I set phone to operational mode , battery indicator showed 50% - the same as yesterday evening.
When I switched GSM radio on, battery indicator suddenly showed 30% and none phone operation could change it. Only system restart caused battery indicator started to show correct value again - 50%
Regards
fxdjacentyfxd
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yes! i am not the only one! recently i got a data plan for my tg01. when i use the data connection for 1-2 minutes, the battery drops 10% and it will stay at its false value until i soft reset. i thought that the problem was with the rom that i was using but i guess im wrong. what ROM are you on? it is very annoying and i have to constantly reset my phone. i have done some test, and if i keep using it, on data, the battery could conpletely go dead like when it is out of power, then when i power back in it is back to its true value. any solutions?!
Hi,
I have been facing these two weird issues:
1. Sudden drop in battery percentage: I have found that this occurs only when i reboot my phone (not every time though). So when the phone restarts, the battery is down by 20-30% or sometimes even more. And its not a one time issue. I have seen it happen at least 3-4 times in the last 5 months.
2. Sometimes when I am not charging the phone, the battery % keeps increasing slowly. This has been happening lately since the time I have rooted and flashed my phone. 2-3 occurrences that i know. I don't recall seeing this when I was on stock. Just this morning I plugged my phone off the charger at 52% and I left for work. And right now at this moment when I am writing this, the phone is at 58% charge!!
Just FYI.. I calibrate the battery every time I flash a new ROM.
Thanks,
Sam
sammy.samsung said:
Hi,
I have been facing these two weird issues:
1. Sudden drop in battery percentage: I have found that this occurs only when i reboot my phone (not every time though). So when the phone restarts, the battery is down by 20-30% or sometimes even more. And its not a one time issue. I have seen it happen at least 3-4 times in the last 5 months.
2. Sometimes when I am not charging the phone, the battery % keeps increasing slowly. This has been happening lately since the time I have rooted and flashed my phone. 2-3 occurrences that i know. I don't recall seeing this when I was on stock. Just this morning I plugged my phone off the charger at 52% and I left for work. And right now at this moment when I am writing this, the phone is at 58% charge!!
Just FYI.. I calibrate the battery every time I flash a new ROM.
Thanks,
Sam
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I think that Entropy can answer this better but I'll still give a try.
[Q] Why these sudden battery level drops after reboot?
[A] The sudden battery drops is a known 'issue'. It's not a bug, it's the way the fuel gauges are designed for i777.
[Q] How to avoid these sudden battery level drops?
[A] Try not to reboot while it's on battery if the battery level is <50%. In that case, if you need to, make sure that the phone is plugged in for charging and then do the reboot. That should prevent those random battery level drops.
[Q] Will using battery calibration apps help?
[A] No, the way the i777 fuel gauges are designed, there is no need of battery calibration apps. The best way to get accurate battery level readings is to allow the battery to go through full 100%->0% battery discharge cycles for atleast 2-3 times. After each full discharge remove the battery, keep it out for a minute or two and reinsert, recharge the phone.
PS: The weird battery charges that violate E=MC^2 law might have to do with your battery not having been through proper discharge cycles (and thus not having been properly calibrated) after flashing a new ROM.
@Mod These questions are asked many times, how about adding them to FAQs (not sure if that will help though )
@Entropy Please review this post.
Pretty close.
Calibration does nothing on our device - the fuel gauge is designed so that it will always converge towards truth instead of diverging. Also, the "wipe battery stats" method of "calibration" has been proven to do NOTHING on ANY device whatsoever - https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/FV3LVtdVxPT - The "charge battery to full" and "discharge/recharge" battery are valid tactics on some devices, but NOT any Galaxy S or S II device (maybe the ****rocket and T989, but not the I9100 or I777.) - There's a slight chance this may change with ICS on the I9100/I777 but not likely.
The advantage of this is that it never needs funky calibration cycles other than "just wait"
The disadvantage is that the gauge will get thrown off in a few limited corner cases - and the "two" issues described are one widely documented one. The gauge gets confused and falseley reports low by heavily battery load immediately following a reset, and takes a few hours to converge back to normality (during which the estimate creeps upward, because it was lower than reality initially).
And yeah this should probably be in the FAQ. I'll work on submitting it this weekend.
Thanks guys..
So looks like the sudden battery drop issue can only be prevented but not fixed!
sammy.samsung said:
Thanks guys..
So looks like the sudden battery drop issue can only be prevented but not fixed!
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It's pretty much the characteristics of putting a battery under load and using voltage to dictate battery level. when you draw a lot of current from a battery you'll usually see the voltage level drop, more so as the battery is discharged. Booting up the phone consumes quite a bit of power, substantially more than the device at idle. So upon start up the device reads the voltage level to dictate battery level. Since the device is under a relatively high power draw, it sees a lower voltage than would be at idle. It in return thinks the battery is lower than it actually is, or would read under idle load. the battery level will actually creep back up slowly because it will read a higher voltage, than it did upon start up.
The only way i could think of to get a more accurate reading would be to delay the initial voltage reading/recording upon start up, or to use the last voltage reading to help dictate the battery level. But i have no idea if that's even possible, or if it would conflict with some sort of other operation.
I just don't get it!!!!!!!
I was playing multiplayer in bombsquad today morning wid my friend .My battery was @ 86% at that time
suddenly my battery came down to 15% then in the other moment it went to0% and mt phone got shut down. I plugged my phone in charge through the power bank and rebooted it and I saw my phone was @52 % I started using my phone and it again suddenly sut down this time without even a battery low message
it's been happening regularly wid my phone since then.
What could be the reason? And what can I do to make it right?
MY PHONE INFORMATION
MODEL:SAMSUNG GALAXY CORE GT I8262
ROM:USING STOCK ROM(ROOTED) (CWM RECOVERY INSTALLED)
avijeetpandey87 said:
MODEL:SAMSUNG GALAXY CORE GT I8262
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This is the wrong forum. Even though the thread is about a problem similar to yours, we don't know anything about your phone.
If you have a removable battery, you might try purchasing a new battery, but that's just a guess.
The forums for you phone are here.
I have i717 AT&T updated stock ICS rooted. I set the device in Power Saving mode to kick in at 50% battery life. Once it hits the 50% battery life mark it displays a notification window saying "Battery level below 50%. Power saving will run. Continue?" It seems this notification pops up almost every time I bring the phone out of rest mode (clicking power button to turn on the screen's lockscreen). It alerts me many times.
It's incredibly annoying when my phone alarm wakes me up in the morning and I'm reaching over to try to slide my finger over the screen to shut off the alarm, but it won't do anything because the damn power saving mode notification window is up and waiting for me to press OK or CANCEL.
Can I disable this notification? I can't find the area to make this setting.
I also looked at installed apps and don't see anything that resembles Power Saving Mode to see if there are any settings I can make through ROMToolbox.
Is this something I can try to disable through Tasker?
Can anyone please advise?
Why is your battery below half first thing in the morning?
You could charge it overnight then the battery will be full when your alarm goes off.
Otherwise to turn off that notification will take some editing of the rom.
That notification is there because power saving mode under clocks the cpu amongst other things that sacrifice performance for battery life... if when you want to unlock the device and run it full speed for just a couple minutes you hit cancel on that notification... or ok to run at the throttled specs of power saving mode.
I played around with power saving mode when I first got the note and noticed that any power saved by the throttling was wasted by me waiting on it with the screen on lol . So I just bought a second battery and external charger.
I am of the old school of "rechargeable batteries" where I let the battery drain to near 100% before charging again, and when I have it plugged in for charging I let it get 100% before disconnecting. I don't know if the batteries today don't have the problem of losing its lifespan due to incomplete charge sessions.
I get about 48hrs between charges with the workload I put on the device...NOT a phone gamer or constant "feelings" updater on facebook.
Studacris (I feel odd saying that) - mind if I pass an issue by you for your opinion?
This thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2176466
I'm reply #7 - I thought I found the issue of my default ringtone/notification sound resetting to default all the time...but it JUST happened again.
Advise?
The chemistry in batteries nowadays is much improved as well as software for charging:
True a battery does have a finite amount of charge cycles, however a charge cycle doesn't count add each time it's plugged in, it's each time a full 100% charge and drain have occurred:
drain halfway, charge full, drain half, charge= 1 cycle and so forth.
Furthermore overcharging isn't possible. android stops charging at full and the lets the battery sip on 1% for a while then starts charging eventually once needed.
And with such a low cost for a replacement battery it really isn't much to worry about.
let me say one thing first: i don't want to discuss if resetting the battery status database helps in any way to prolong the battery life of a phone or such, i have a different issue with the battery management under android:
i have taken the guts out of an AN1 Smart Watch and used them as a tiny touch panel in an appliance. in order for it to run without a battery i have connected a little voltage regulator that converts DC12V to DC4V and feeds it right into the + and - Pin of the battery contacts. This way i can start and run the device wihtout any battery in it, which otherwise is not possible when trying to run it from USB power, even though i haven't seen the device pull more than about 300mA at most.
the device turns on and runs just fine, but what's bothering me is, that the battery charge indicator is counting downwards even though the voltage stays constant and obviously notthing really is being discharged since there is no battery.
i don't want to re-insert the battery and run from usb power as the battery will certainly fail within only a few years and i would really like the whole thing to run a bit longer than that.
is there any way i can re-set the battery countdown or disable it entirely? if disabling the simulated drain is not possible, resetting it should be possible while the device is running. i don't want to reboot the thing every day just to reset the battery stats or anything like that.
hope somebody can help me out here.
i currently have the AN1 running to see what's going to happen when it reaches 0% ..
regards
pascal
psuter said:
i currently have the AN1 running to see what's going to happen when it reaches 0% ..
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so here is what happened... the battery was constantly "discharged" until it reached 15%. it then showed the "please connect your charger" message but stopped dropping the battery level.
would still be nice though have a possibility to prevent this message from appearing. even though it is not as critical anymore, as the device will be running 24/7, so unless there is a power outage, this message only appears once and that's it.
i have attached a screenshot of the battery statistics with a power supply connected in place of a battery..
Hello XDA,
I have a weird Problem with my Oneplus X and maybe you can help me... When my phone shuts down I am still able to turn it on 3 or 4 times, first with direct boot and the last ones with app optimization until I see the red battery symbol and the phone wants me to charge for a while... Is this a normal behavior or is something wrong? Can I maybe recalibrate my phone to completely discharge the first time?
Thank you for your help!
Do not discharge battery completely! It's really bad for your battery, significantly shortens it's lifespan and reduces it's maximum effective capacity.
Your phone turns off on low battery to prevent that.
Okay thank you, I've always thought the phone stops me from turning on when the battery is too low, but I will remeber that!