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Came across this today and wanted to share with anyone who might have been in a cave today
http://mobilesyrup.com/2013/01/02/u..._campaign=Feed:+Mobilesyrup+(mobilesyrup.com)
Hope this comes our way
Sent from my Nexus 10
I hope it comes.
Indeed, my dream is to one day have the ability to dual boot Android and a native Linux distro.
brGabriel said:
Indeed, my dream is to one day have the ability to dual boot Android and a native Linux distro.
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It isn't clear to me that the Ubuntu phone will actually be a "linux distro" - at least not in the sense that most think of them (Android runs Linux, after all). But, details seem to be scarce.
Plus, applications built for a mouse aren't going to be ideal even on a tablet. Otherwise we wouldn't have all those apps for services that are already web-based (including, ironically enough, xda).
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It isn't clear to me that the Ubuntu phone will actually be a "linux distro" - at least not in the sense that most think of them (Android runs Linux, after all). But, details seem to be scarce.
Plus, applications built for a mouse aren't going to be ideal even on a tablet. Otherwise we wouldn't have all those apps for services that are already web-based (including, ironically enough, xda).
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Yes, I agree the new Ubuntu for mobile devices won't exactly be like its desktop predecessors. I was referring to what I've seen on other tablet development forums, such as the Asus TF300T running an Arch Linux ARM natively as a dual boot with Android. Would it be "ideal" on a touch screen tablet? Certainly not; but it wouldn't be completely unusable. Besides, I think that's why many of us are on xda in the first place. Because we're not content with running vanilla stock ROMs with our hands held out to to the manufacturers for fixes and upgrades.
Like the sound of this but only as a dual boot option for now.
brGabriel said:
Yes, I agree the new Ubuntu for mobile devices won't exactly be like its desktop predecessors. I was referring to what I've seen on other tablet development forums, such as the Asus TF300T running an Arch Linux ARM natively as a dual boot with Android. Would it be "ideal" on a touch screen tablet? Certainly not; but it wouldn't be completely unusable. Besides, I think that's why many of us are on xda in the first place. Because we're not content with running vanilla stock ROMs with our hands held out to to the manufacturers for fixes and upgrades.
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I RDP .....*A LOT*...... from my N10 to my various Linux boxes now.... this would be a very welcome thing for me.
And.... to have another player in the mobile game would only be a good thing for us all.
Also, as the native apps are mosly C or C++, it would be interesting to see how much faster they would run.
Since early 2012 when Canonical announced Ubuntu for Android I've been drooling and waiting for the perfect tablet to install it on. Now I have Tablet Z, but find out there's very little written or said about Ubuntu for Android since last year.
Does anybody know if the source codes were released? Whether it's even possible to port it to Tablet Z? If something similar will be coming?
I don't really want to go with Ubuntu Touch (not that anyone is dev-ing for it on this device), I'd ideally want android base and proper Ubuntu desktop when docked to a monitor.
It's difficult to believe this dream combo of mobile device and computer being one was so close over a year ago, but is still so far.
Ricky D said:
Since early 2012 when Canonical announced Ubuntu for Android I've been drooling and waiting for the perfect tablet to install it on. Now I have Tablet Z, but find out there's very little written or said about Ubuntu for Android since last year.
Does anybody know if the source codes were released? Whether it's even possible to port it to Tablet Z? If something similar will be coming?
I don't really want to go with Ubuntu Touch (not that anyone is dev-ing for it on this device), I'd ideally want android base and proper Ubuntu desktop when docked to a monitor.
It's difficult to believe this dream combo of mobile device and computer being one was so close over a year ago, but is still so far.
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Sadly no it has become vapourware nothing as ever been released, but if you looking to run ubuntu and android at the same time, check out my sig.
Our project (LinuxonAndroid) aims to do the same type of thing as "Ubuntu for android", but not limited to just Ubuntu!
zacthespack said:
Sadly no it has become vapourware nothing as ever been released, but if you looking to run ubuntu and android at the same time, check out my sig.
Our project (LinuxonAndroid) aims to do the same type of thing as "Ubuntu for android", but not limited to just Ubuntu!
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I've tried to run this on my tablet and it didn't work, i believe that the problem was related to kernel not supporting loop devices (I was rooted) and there is only one custom kernel but is not for all the devices so it's harder to do this but of course easier than porting ubuntu touch lol.
juanyunis said:
I've tried to run this on my tablet and it didn't work, i believe that the problem was related to kernel not supporting loop devices (I was rooted) and there is only one custom kernel but is not for all the devices so it's harder to do this but of course easier than porting ubuntu touch lol.
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Ah I see, well lets hope I can get hold of a Tablet Z some time soon...
But yes adjusting my project to run on the Z will be much easier than porting ubuntu touch for sure
zacthespack said:
Ah I see, well lets hope I can get hold of a Tablet Z some time soon...
But yes adjusting my project to run on the Z will be much easier than porting ubuntu touch for sure
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That sounds great, i hope you can achieve that because a 10.1 tablet with Full HD+ running ubuntu with a bluetooth keyboard that would be very helpful for running advance applications.
zacthespack said:
Sadly no it has become vapourware nothing as ever been released, but if you looking to run ubuntu and android at the same time, check out my sig.
Our project (LinuxonAndroid) aims to do the same type of thing as "Ubuntu for android", but not limited to just Ubuntu!
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This is what I've been using actually. I even donated so I can use the widgets.
The problem I have with it is that the GUI is laggy through the VNC, I was hoping for something as smooth looking as in the videos from last year. Perhaps you can make a recommendation on how to improve performance? A lighter package perhaps?
Also, I was hoping to install a local web server and IDE for working when travelling (I develop Ruby on Rails apps), not tried it yet, is it going to be waste of time trying or should i just suck it and see?
juanyunis said:
I've tried to run this on my tablet and it didn't work, i believe that the problem was related to kernel not supporting loop devices (I was rooted) and there is only one custom kernel but is not for all the devices so it's harder to do this but of course easier than porting ubuntu touch lol.
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This does work on stock kernel. As I say above, I use it on a completely stock ROM/Kernel. I did experience what looked like loop incompatibility but it disappeared when I re-downloaded the img. Can't remember if I tried a different image but anyway, I got it to work on stock.
Ricky D said:
This is what I've been using actually. I even donated so I can use the widgets.
The problem I have with it is that the GUI is laggy through the VNC, I was hoping for something as smooth looking as in the videos from last year. Perhaps you can make a recommendation on how to improve performance? A lighter package perhaps?
Also, I was hoping to install a local web server and IDE for working when travelling (I develop Ruby on Rails apps), not tried it yet, is it going to be waste of time trying or should i just suck it and see?
This does work on stock kernel. As I say above, I use it on a completely stock ROM/Kernel. I did experience what looked like loop incompatibility but it disappeared when I re-downloaded the img. Can't remember if I tried a different image but anyway, I got it to work on stock.
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That's perfect, yeah i tried Ubuntu 12.04, please tell me which distro/version are you using! i didn't want to waste time downloading distros and testing, so yes i missed that part.
juanyunis said:
That's perfect, yeah i tried Ubuntu 12.04, please tell me which distro/version are you using! i didn't want to waste time downloading distros and testing, so yes i missed that part.
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I system details says 12.04. I definitely downloaded the full package, and I believe I tried 13.04 the first time (which didn't work on my 5" Z either).
Ricky D said:
I system details says 12.04. I definitely downloaded the full package, and I believe I tried 13.04 the first time (which didn't work on my 5" Z either).
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Thanks man, i believe that maybe i downloaded the full version of the 13.04, i'll try again with 12.04 full version.
By the way could you upload some photos of how it looks the ubuntu on the tablet? and how is the performance? thank you.
juanyunis said:
Thanks man, i believe that maybe i downloaded the full version of the 13.04, i'll try again with 12.04 full version.
By the way could you upload some photos of how it looks the ubuntu on the tablet? and how is the performance? thank you.
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The refresh rate in android VNC is not great. It makes work slow. Not done any real work from the command line yet, in fact, not done anything serious with it yet. I'll try to load a rails environment on it later.
Ricky D said:
The refresh rate in android VNC is not great. It makes work slow. Not done any real work from the command line yet, in fact, not done anything serious with it yet. I'll try to load a rails environment on it later.
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Thank you!, back on 2011 i put Ubuntu 10.04 LTS on my Galaxy S2, and i was able to setup a django environment and also postgres, and it was working, a django website running on my phone, lol.
juanyunis said:
Thank you!, back on 2011 i put Ubuntu 10.04 LTS on my Galaxy S2, and i was able to setup a django environment and also postgres, and it was working, a django website running on my phone, lol.
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Then there is hope for me yet.
If you want any other screens just say. I found using an org mouse/keyboard gives the impression of more responsive interface but it still on the slow side. Maybe I'm spoilt by my haswell i5 with 12GB RAM.
Sent from my SGP312 using xda app-developers app
Ricky D said:
Then there is hope for me yet.
If you want any other screens just say. I found using an org mouse/keyboard gives the impression of more responsive interface but it still on the slow side. Maybe I'm spoilt by my haswell i5 with 12GB RAM.
Sent from my SGP312 using xda app-developers app
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Oh so you already has a haswell, that's nice. I've a Macbook Pro Retina 15.4 with 8GB RAM and Core i7 third generation + 512GB SSD mid 2012, but well i want a haswell because the power saving features!
And yes, you should be able to run RoR on it, and get a working environment, it's good to have a backup work system lol.
Also it sucks that even using a local connection is giving you slow refresh rates.
Check this: Oracle Java for ARM i don't use java at all but some of my preferred IDEs are based on java, like PyCharm, WebStore, etc. it would be amazing if we can run those things on our mobile device.
I'm looking to upgrade my first or second gen WDTV Live, I'm not sure to what though. I was looking at the Razer Forge TV but that doesn't have a release date yet. The Nexus Player is also a possibility although I'm not strongly considering it because of it's lack of ethernet port. Searching Amazon for "Android TV Box" I see a couple of very highly rated Gbox MX2 and Gbox Q media players. But are those full Android roms instead of the new (hopefully more user friendly (media player specific)) Android TV roms?
I'm most likely only interested in media playback (I don't know much about the Forge TV's pc game streaming). Any recommendations on whether I should go for one of these options or wait 6 months until the Forge TV is out and/or other players are available?
Thanks
I thought about putting this in the Android Stick Computers subforum but I'm really looking for a full media player box with remote...
I would wait for the Forge TV
It looks to me like the Forge TV is going to come out end of Q1 ( less then two months). I am personally waiting for it as it will do more then any box on the market at that price .
I am new so can not link the sub but there is a sub reddit for androidtv /r/androidtv
More info if you need it in this subreddit.
EvanVanVan said:
I'm looking to upgrade my first or second gen WDTV Live, I'm not sure to what though. I was looking at the Razer Forge TV but that doesn't have a release date yet. The Nexus Player is also a possibility although I'm not strongly considering it because of it's lack of ethernet port. Searching Amazon for "Android TV Box" I see a couple of very highly rated Gbox MX2 and Gbox Q media players. But are those full Android roms instead of the new (hopefully more user friendly (media player specific)) Android TV roms?
I'm most likely only interested in media playback (I don't know much about the Forge TV's pc game streaming). Any recommendations on whether I should go for one of these options or wait 6 months until the Forge TV is out and/or other players are available?
Thanks
I thought about putting this in the Android Stick Computers subforum but I'm really looking for a full media player box with remote...
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I guess you don't have enough posts even to thank, but thanks for the reply. Yeah I'll probably wait until at least the Forge TV is released so I can see the reviews/community thinks about it. Maybe something different will be announced in the mean time as well.
EvanVanVan said:
I guess you don't have enough posts even to thank, but thanks for the reply. Yeah I'll probably wait until at least the Forge TV is released so I can see the reviews/community thinks about it. Maybe something different will be announced in the mean time as well.
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What are the good features of forge tv? Is it expensive approximately?
Hey guys, heres some useful information to help you out .
So google tried to launch GoogleTV but failed when too many 3rd party hardware developers released it on bad peforming low end hardware.
Google has abandoned GoogleTV and created AndroidTV, and this time around they have set a minimum hardware requirements to run it, hopefully meaning that anyone should get the same experience, reguardless of what hardware box they purchased.
So technically it shouldnt matter if you buy NexusTV or ForgeTV, or any of the many hardware releases that will come out this year, they should all perform the basics the same
I also know of the NZXT Doko, but again, wait two or three months and you are garunteed to see heaps of androidTV boxes hit the markets, doesnt look like early adopters will be punished (hopefully)
Beelink R68
I am looking at the Beelink R68 TV box... It's fairly new. Seems to have the best features and latest Android version available in a TV box... But, New enough that I can't find how to root it.
So, I have 3 questions...
1. Does it have to be rooted to watch live PPV TV?
2. Does anyone have one and what's your opinion...
3. Does anyone know a good TV Box root site?
Ok, So the big news is MWC(mobile world congress)Shanghai 2016 is going live after 2 weeks from now, '29 June-1 July' in Shanghai,China..
What do you really want to hear from Jide at the event, about RemixOs? Something big...??
Guess what,there'll be.
ROOT.....
Proprietary NVIDIA driver support.
or29544 said:
Proprietary NVIDIA driver support.
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Yes, something related to better hardware support (Cpu, gpu, sound, etc), speed optimization (maybe remix based on marshmallow), interface polishing, better mouse touch simulation, Ubuntu style installer support native Linux disk partitions and others, more languages (spanish!), etc.
Marshmallow.
However, we want Android N!
I had to say this, for the laughs, although it is true.
Marshmallow.
However, we want Android N!
I had to say this, for the laughs, although it is true.
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We'll have Android N - I am personally waiting for official Google support for desktops.
We will also have Android apps in Chrome OS - again, a great desktop operating system.
So at this point Remix OS is really heading towards redundancy but anyway - I would still like to switch my desktop to Android sooner
Definately legacy hardware support/compatability. While it's nice to see our newer machines fly, it would be nice to get some of our old working hardware running relatively well without the usual hour glass watching we get in standard desktop os's.
For all the developers on this board, what if you had...
a higher powered Mini
AOSP, let's say Marshmallow or better
all the dev tools you'd need to get to work
...what would you, could you dream to develop this computer to do?
TV box? Gaming console? Android PC? Smart home device?
Please share with us your brainstorm ideas on this. Have fun with it and don't think about what's already out on the market... think out of the box, reach for the stars, and all the other cliches you can think of. Please share in the comments below.
Thanks!
A combination of all the above!
Smart nuclear powered anti-starship laser guns.
Just kidding, possibly a wireless router or a media server.
well I like something like win 7 ultimate. with a htpc media center,good gaming and nice professional os with good look.
not the current flat look but something more 3d like seven was.
but I am sure you prefer a idea for your Android stuff...
so what about jide making intel cherry trail devices? those could be nice for TV box or computer? or good snapdragon with long term support?
tailslol said:
well I like something like win 7 ultimate. with a htpc media center,good gaming and nice professional os with good look.
not the current flat look but something more 3d like seven was.
but I am sure you prefer a idea for your Android stuff...
so what about jide making intel cherry trail devices? those could be nice for TV box or computer? or good snapdragon with long term support?
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Or MediaTek, but force them to give you updated kernel sources and release them to the public.
Just saying because MTK chips last longer, and perform better (except for GPU performance) than counterpart Snapdragon chips.
moriel5 said:
Or MediaTek, but force them to give you updated kernel sources and release them to the public.
Just saying because MTK chips last longer, and perform better (except for GPU performance) than counterpart Snapdragon chips.
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not mediatek they hide their resources sometime. and absolutely not Allwinner their chip are ****s... Rockchip or amilogic S is OK in the worse case scenario...
NVIDIA tegra are pricey but good for all in ones.especialy with Google support behind.
Or you can cheat on the support by using same Chips as Android one phones, nexus. or pixel..so no source hiding.
tailslol said:
not mediatek they hide their resources sometime. and absolutely not Allwinner their chip are ****s... Rockchip or amilogic S is OK in the worse case scenario...
NVIDIA tegra are pricey but good for all in ones.especialy with Google support behind.
Or you can cheat on the support by using same Chips as Android one phones, nexus. or pixel..so no source hiding.
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Did you not see what I had witten about forcing MediaTek to release their kernel sources?
Rockchip also hides many of their kernel sources, and are a pain to work with, (I had to use an ancient computer from over a decade ago, and had to install Windows XP, since it wouldn't work with anything newer).
Allwinner are a solid choice, since they are much more open with their sources, and are much easier to work with, it's just that not many developers work with them, but those that do, testify to them being much easier to work with.
About Amlogic, I have no idea.
Nvidia, are really good, but are even worse than MediaTek and Rockchip at releasing kernel sources, so unless it's the same chipset as the Nexus 9, it needs to be out of the question.
But please no BIG.little processors, they are great on paper, however in the real world, while they deliver, they don't deliver even close to what they should, ending up being a waste of money, since the worth:cost ratio is much farther.
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Did you not see what I had witten about forcing MediaTek to release their kernel sources?
Rockchip also hides many of their kernel sources, and are a pain to work with, (I had to use an ancient computer from over a decade ago, and had to install Windows XP, since it wouldn't work with anything newer).
Allwinner are a solid choice, since they are much more open with their sources, and are much easier to work with, it's just that not many developers work with them, but those that do, testify to them being much easier to work with.
About Amlogic, I have no idea.
Nvidia, are really good, but are even worse than MediaTek and Rockchip at releasing kernel sources, so unless it's the same chipset as the Nexus 9, it needs to be out of the question.
But please no BIG.little processors, they are great on paper, however in the real world, while they deliver, they don't deliver even close to what they should, ending up being a waste of money, since the worth:cost ratio is much farther.
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the thing about big little... nowadays with the failure of TV boxes and the slow death of tablets most big company are targeting the phone market.
and big little is mostly for phones ...
but I think the only problem is not targeting the lower end or not using too old than 2 years chips and sometime it is just better to spend a lil more for higher support and better performances.
on Nvidia side almost all chips have been open sourced by Google long time ago.
the tegra x1 in pixel c the tegra 2 3 4 and k1 in nexus tablets... so yea....
tailslol said:
the thing about big little... nowadays with the failure of TV boxes and the slow death of tablets most big company are targeting the phone market.
and big little is mostly for phones ...
but I think the only problem is not targeting the lower end or not using too old than 2 years chips and sometime it is just better to spend a lil more for higher support and better performances.
on Nvidia side almost all chips have been open sourced by Google long time ago.
the tegra x1 in pixel c the tegra 2 3 4 and k1 in nexus tablets... so yea....
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Ah sorry, I had checked it.
And it looks like they have their own code repository now, so things have definitely changed.
RemixOS_Jason said:
For all the developers on this board, what if you had...
a higher powered Mini
AOSP, let's say Marshmallow or better
all the dev tools you'd need to get to work
...what would you, could you dream to develop this computer to do?
TV box? Gaming console? Android PC? Smart home device?
Please share with us your brainstorm ideas on this. Have fun with it and don't think about what's already out on the market... think out of the box, reach for the stars, and all the other cliches you can think of. Please share in the comments below.
Thanks!
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I would build my own version of Android!
Dual boot as much as possible!
Publish my Project ROC quicker
What about using the mini along with wireless display, and use them as a home security/automation hub? Allowing many apps and already existing "connected" devices like Philips HUE, WiFi Cameras, etc to connect and be configured for automation. Then assigning older android devices to pair and be set in various rooms, to be used as wifi motion detectors.
Well as a developer, I'd improve the way I interact with my devices as an user.
Chromecast and Android Home devices are great but they're not how the future should actually look. In my opinion Google is limiting hardware on those devices to keep prices low and make them impossible to run upcoming software, more powerful software.
Okay let's say we have an AIO device (similar to Android Home) but with a few sets of functionality baked in:
- Network attached Storage: Store all the things you want to share with the family (photos, music, movies...)
- Network attached Storage: Stream whatever is hosted in the box to the "cast enabled devices around the device"
- Network attached Storage: Synced folders between family devices per user request (similar to how resilio sync works)
- Network attached Storage: Remote access for downloads (you're out of home but you start a download that will be waiting for you when you arrive)
- Assistant: Always On Keyword detection
- Assistant: Customized context-aware commands per user inside the network (If John or his devices are not connected to the Wireless network or discoverable through BLE don't suggest content that he might like)
- Assistant: TV as a remote interface of the device with a dashboard, the device microphone as a IO device of the TV.
- Assistant: Device state awareness, notify when battery is low on x device.
BRAINSTORM -- What if Jide actually focused on getting the projects they currently have out working to perfection instead of coming out with new semi broken products?! Then, when everything worked as best as possible, Jide could come out with new stuff that makes the current goodness even better!!!! Wow, what a novel concept!
If i had it, (and if i can), I'll bring the android code and libs to windows,, it's just like WINE on Ubuntu, and isn't like the ancient emulator which is kill my usage
So,, yes... I'll open the play store just when i click it in my windows PC's, installing apk just in Program Files (Android) folder, using linux or android command in cmd (like bash actually) and getting a root access with just allow the UAC