http://m.engadget.com/2012/08/24/apple-samsung-respond-september-20th-injunction-hearing/
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These threads should be banned, as they generate little to no actual discussion.
Sure, it sucks for Samsung. But a lot of what Apple went after them for at least made a little sense. Samsung blatantly copied Apple in many situations. And even if there were examples of prior technology that fit the case, Apple was able to show that Samsung intentionally copied Apple's work instead of basing work off of said prior technology.
Before we start a circlejerk of people condemning Apple and all of its employees to hell, please realize that this was a legitimate legal decision and the people who made this decision put a lot of thought into it. I'm not happy that Samsung lost either, but I also believe that they lost for a reason.
SoraX64 said:
These threads should be banned, as they generate little to no actual discussion.
Sure, it sucks for Samsung. But a lot of what Apple went after them for at least made a little sense. Samsung blatantly copied Apple in many situations. And even if there were examples of prior technology that fit the case, Apple was able to show that Samsung intentionally copied Apple's work instead of basing work off of said prior technology.
Before we start a circlejerk of people condemning Apple and all of its employees to hell, please realize that this was a legitimate legal decision and the people who made this decision put a lot of thought into it. I'm not happy that Samsung lost either, but I also believe that they lost for a reason.
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i agree with sorax64....part of Samsung success with galaxy s versions is that Samsung copied Apple's work...
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This is why i only buy HTC. If i wanted an iphone clone i would buy Samsung.
eric00716 said:
This is why i only buy HTC. If i wanted an iphone clone i would buy Samsung.
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eric00716!!!! i agree with you bro
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This major win with a major competitor will only give birth to a whole new round of suits and new strategy that will probably lead to us being phucked over. The realization of apple being a monopoly is becoming ever more true. You think the bs we had to put up with when our EVOs were held in customs was crap, just wait. I see bad things heading our way. I know Samsung copied apple. We all said that awhile ago. But jeez, if the courts will agree with apple that a rectangle with rounded corners is copying, then what does that say for us?
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If I was running apples legal department I would Sue Samsung also they are tearing there sales apart all apple needs to do to dominate the market again is make more choices for there phone bigger screens easy hacking and better ui improvements come on apple dust off those thinking caps and make a new product instead of pumping out the same phone every year.
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Maybe apple deserved this one...but This sets precedent.for apple to go ape**** on everyone ..and they will...they just acquired another billion dollars ..enough to have a full time kill android legal team for 200 years
firmbiz94 said:
Maybe apple deserved this one...but This sets precedent.for apple to go ape**** on everyone ..and they will...they just acquired another billion dollars ..enough to have a full time kill android legal team for 200 years
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Ha.. A billion dollars. Should be able to pay their lawyers with that.
It's not like Apple is going to be able to go willy nilly on other OEMs now. They don't have the resources for that, and if they keep it up, Google will eventually step in.
Exactly that's what I'm saying...apple isnt gonna stop at this..google is gonna need to get involved..which it looks like they did with the Motorola suit..everyone knows moto is an ip bank..
I wonder what type of phones the judge and members of the jury use?
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As much as I love Android, I kind of have to agree that some of the devices that Samsung were making did look like iFails. Hell, I think Touchwiz does. I will say though, that Apple suing anyone for stealing ideas when they themselves have done so repeatedly in the past is just bs.
Here's the break down of what was infringed. Placement of home button? Thin frame with rounded corners? Serious!? I'm no Samsung fan, but for the sake of our future of android devices I was rooting for Sammy.
http://m.engadget.com/2012/08/25/br...oom-victory-over-samsung/?icid=eng_latest_art
Hahaha its already begun:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=30692579
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Like I.said..that's the scary part..they went to court with these bs patents and they won..now every phone that has those traits can be targeted..this is just the beggning im afraid..esp when its prob difficult to find a jury that isn't a iPhone or android user ..and its the patent that's the issue..once granted the court will uphold their decision..that's where reform needs to begin
I wouldn't worry. This will probably be overturned. A lot of mistakes by the jury.
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I can see it now. 10 minutes after the court case is over. The judge and jury walk back to their cars talking on their IPhones... Lol
WUESTSIDER X!
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This thread has turned out better than one from yesterday started by the "law school" guy
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fpineda101 said:
This thread has turned out better than one from yesterday started by the "law school" guy
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That's like saying the dump you took today didn't smell as bad as the one you took yesterday.
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That's like saying the dump you took today didn't smell as bad as the one you took yesterday.
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Funny since a lot of people around here do believe that their chit don't stink.... :beer:
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Related
http://phandroid.com/2011/07/11/app...t-mix-in-hopes-to-ban-sale-of-their-products/
Go figure....
LOL!!!
Apple is trying to strong arm everyone these days. Their law firm is making some serious dough off of them.
Kind of like all the App Store BS that is going on. One of the latest, LINK.
Apple is getting a bad Rep, people are leaving apple and going to android in droves. It seems like all their resources are going into suing the competition and anything remotely "app" or "apple" instead of providing better products to satisfy their customer base.
Pretty soon having a device with the shiny apple logo on the back will no longer be cool and trendy.
It's kind of funny seeing them trying to sue HTC right after that fail attempt to make the iGay have 3D capability with that ****ty screen protector.
My ''xDU4L C0R3 SH00T3Rx'' shot you down in 3D!
Oh I fully expect to see a iphone/iPod. 3D by late next year, same screen and specs at out EVOs. Engadget will give it a 10/10. Its marketed as revolutionary or even evolutionary (haha) and apple will get sue happy on LG and HTC over 3d tech on portable devices.
In my Rush Limbaugh voice....DON'T DOUBT ME.
The way they go about it they look like an angry child who wants all the attention and doesn't want to share.
Someone needs to shoot Jobs an email about this place too, obviously playing off the Apple brand and possibly taking their business
http://www.applevacations.com/
Apple?
Crap, I just ate an apple for breakfast!!!! does that mean I will be sued too?
this is a sign showing that Apple is finally scared of losing ground to other manufacturers. Guess what HTC and Samsung, two of the hottest selling smartphone makers are being targeted by apple, I mean they are just trying to target their strongest competition. If motoroal was breaking records they would be sued as well. Apple is starting a sound like a cry baby these days.
Xda needs to become a patent holder of some sort. Leeches like apple steal ideas that developers at Xda have had for years. They actually get patents to this stuff and credit for it.
Then after they have the nerve to sue. Not just Xda I know of several other tech and independent sites where these devs are getting ripped off.
Now that's the American dream.
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Lol. Apple has always been a joke for me.
This video made me laugh that much harder. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxOp5mBY9IY
I talk bad about Apple and their products all the time towards my friends, who I try to convince to get an Android. It's upsetting that Apple is going through such desperate measures to keep up with the competition. They can find loopholes in every company in existance and sue them, I'm not going to purchase an iPhone.
Of course they are suing everyone. They have almost nowhere to go with the way they developed their stuff and the changes between their phones are minimal at best. A little faster, etc...but nothing major.
Couple that with the fact that Android is starting to mature as a platform and other companies are starting to really take a bite out of the fruit.
Have to agree with mr orange. Most people dont like to believe a lot of apples ideas are rebranding of other people's ideas but its true. What can developers do but try get a patent for themselves.
Also, mymac ad on this page is pretty ironic
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My 7 year old wants an iPod touch. Is there something comparable that runs android? Not a phone. I was thinking a cheap used ipod off ebay for 100 but I don't think I can stomach an apple product in my house. Maybe a small tablet but needs to perform without locking up and running at least froyo.
We have a small convenience store called Apple. Hope they dont get sued. LOL
is apple still ahead of android in the market share of smartphones?
Seems like a good time to re-post this pic.....Credit goes to Felacio for the original posting of it.
phatmanxxl said:
My 7 year old wants an iPod touch. Is there something comparable that runs android? Not a phone. I was thinking a cheap used ipod off ebay for 100 but I don't think I can stomach an apple product in my house. Maybe a small tablet but needs to perform without locking up and running at least froyo.
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Get an archos.
amazon sells them.
archos.com
phatmanxxl said:
My 7 year old wants an iPod touch. Is there something comparable that runs android? Not a phone. I was thinking a cheap used ipod off ebay for 100 but I don't think I can stomach an apple product in my house. Maybe a small tablet but needs to perform without locking up and running at least froyo.
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Yep...Archos 43
http://www.archos.com/products/ta/archos_43it/index.html?country=us&lang=en
http://m.engadget.com/default/class...c-with-third-itc-dispute/&icid=eng_latest_art
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I'm amaze the haven't say anything about s voice on the galaxy 3 devices
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Apple and samsung are in bed together. If it weren't for samsung, crapple wouldn't be where it is today
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Tim Cook... first he murders Steve Jobs and now he's going after HTC!!
I got my EVO 4G LTE yesterday and I can see why Apple is worried.
Most apple fans I talk to say that Iphones feel more responsive and have better battery life. This phone feels very responsive and I've only charged my phone one time in the past 22 hours. If Apple doesn't step up and actually improve their product they will suffer the same fate as RIM.
Has it been announced what this third lawsuit is claiming?
What they are claiming is listed in the link below.
I also actually listed the 27 HTC devices in the complaint here.
http://www.androrev.com/2012/06/06/...dditional-complaint-against-htc-with-the-fcc/
It appears HTC has countered with a complaint of their own and we are back in the ring for another 12 rounds. This is insanity looks like the ATT One X date might be in Jeopardy.
I wish HP had kept Palm, long enough to troll Apple to its knees.
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Tim Cook... first he murders Steve Jobs and now he's going after HTC!!
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LOL!
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I got my EVO 4G LTE yesterday and I can see why Apple is worried.
Most apple fans I talk to say that Iphones feel more responsive and have better battery life. This phone feels very responsive and I've only charged my phone one time in the past 22 hours. If Apple doesn't step up and actually improve their product they will suffer the same fate as RIM.
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That's a pretty ridiculous statement. Ever hear of people queuing up to buy the latest Blackberry? nope, didn't think so. Apple isn't going anywhere regardless. They could release the iPhone 5 with just an LTE radio added and people will mindlessly line up to get it along with all their friends.
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I got my EVO 4G LTE yesterday and I can see why Apple is worried.
Most apple fans I talk to say that Iphones feel more responsive and have better battery life. This phone feels very responsive and I've only charged my phone one time in the past 22 hours. If Apple doesn't step up and actually improve their product they will suffer the same fate as RIM.
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I agree. They only reason why this has gotten out of hand is because Android has began to take the market over Apple. And the only way Apple knows how to fight back is to take out the competition, starting with the biggest fish first (HTC). Instead of innovating (which they're oh-so-good at), they'd rather keep making what they have and take out competition.
My girl friend saw my new phone and instantly fell in love with it, I told her she should replace her iPhone with an EVO or One X (she is on ATT). She is thinking about it
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My girl friend saw my new phone and instantly fell in love with it, I told her she should replace her iPhone with an EVO or One X (she is on ATT). She is thinking about it
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She would be wise to do so.
The One X and EVO LTE are, IMO, the first phones to surpass the iPhone in EVERY aspect. Every aspect. I can see why they're worried.
Can we tap apple out of [email protected]#
Sounds like they're trying to fight the same fight from a different angle this time.
What I think of apple...
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gpz1100 said:
Can we tap apple out of [email protected]#
Sounds like they're trying to fight the same fight from a different angle this time.
What I think of apple...
<<<--- is appropriate
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I've always predicted, even when the first iPhone came out, that at some point it'll fall. They have no strategy. All they do is patent ideas that were made by other companies that are used in mainstream phones. I've said it before, Apple is to the ITC as LeBron James is to the officials in the NBA.
Sadly, Apple has the money to keep throwing bogus lawsuits out......and see which ones will stick. All the patents claims are going to hit many device manufacturers this year, will waste a lot of money, and slow down some really great devices.
Apple doesn't want the competition.....
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That's a pretty ridiculous statement. Ever hear of people queuing up to buy the latest Blackberry? nope, didn't think so. Apple isn't going anywhere regardless. They could release the iPhone 5 with just an LTE radio added and people will mindlessly line up to get it along with all their friends.
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Oh how I wish they would go somewhere!! iSuck, but I pretend like I'm better than everyone else!
Apple has been lagging behind in the phone development for quite some time. Even when the 4 was released, there were Android phones with features way ahead of it. The fact of the matter is Apple is now the one playing catch-up and lots of their customers are looking for a new, more customizable experience. So if you can't beat em, sue the pants off of them.. and that's what Apple's tactic is currently.
As of right now, Android has, and will be top dog. And I have a big suspicion that the iPhone 5 will be dead in the water unless Apple has a couple tricks up their sleeve. One mainly being iOS itself. It NEEDS to evolve in order to stay competitive. With more and more of the current generation becoming increasingly tech savvy, Apple's reliance on "it just works" will become far less effective.
None the less, in the end, it hurts consumers and makes Apple look like a huge douche canoe. And I'm all for letting that huge douche canoe drop right off a huge waterfall.
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That's a pretty ridiculous statement. Ever hear of people queuing up to buy the latest Blackberry? nope, didn't think so. Apple isn't going anywhere regardless. They could release the iPhone 5 with just an LTE radio added and people will mindlessly line up to get it along with all their friends.
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Or they could simply add almost nothing but 2 year old technology to it and people would come out in droves... oh wait... they already did that with the 4S.
Anyone else notice that some of the phones in the claim are pretty old? If they were going to have this lawsuit they should have done it long ago... It seems mighty suspicious of Apple.
It appears Apple has won the case. The jury has said Samsung has infringed on the patents.
I put this here because I believe that it does relate to us as a community and the galaxy s2 but mods if you feel it isn't related to then close it.
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Yeah Sammy just got raped. There's a long appeal process ahead. But those fruit people potentially killed twiz
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Yeah Sammy just got raped. There's a long appeal process ahead. But those fruit people potentially killed twiz
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And hopefully brought a pure Android to Samsung future phones
If any of you guys follow Robert Scoble on G+, he just posted an interesting take on the outcome...
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If any of you guys follow Robert Scoble on G+, he just posted an interesting take on the outcome...
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And hopefully brought a pure Android to Samsung future phones
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Yeah We on XDA love that, but in reality it hurts Android in the long run with the "main stream" customer. I know like 6 girls who fit the apple mold and were iphone users, that switched to SGS3 recently because of it's features it offered over apple. Let's face it ASOP is for hardcore android people. Stock android isnt pretty enough and offer enoigh features for the average person. Look at what a lot of people on here complain about, wishing they could bring twiz camera to cm10 etc, in reality Android has a few more steps to go to get where it needs to be to compete in the general consumer arena, it needs skins, imo.
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And hopefully brought a pure Android to Samsung future phones
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Nexus S got dinged for 2 million. So they won't go pure android. Windows phone 8 maybe if MS stop being dicks to one of their best OEMs.
Meh, Samsung deserved it. Pretty damning internal memos basically saying "copy Apple".
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Meh, Samsung deserved it. Pretty damning internal memos basically saying "copy Apple".
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I get that but I mean what else can they do?
So don't the new I phones have a pull down status bar like android? Am I wrong or is that a rip off of Googles work? I dunno. Whatever. Fricking Apple kills me.
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Color a dodge challenger or a mustang yellow with black stripes. Most of the tools in the world will think its bumblebee.
People are stupid and our patent system is ****ed.
Yes Sammy did "copy" apple, but thats what must be done to be in the mainstream. and has ALWAYS been done.
Our patent system caused this, samsung didnt do anything wrong. IMO
Also, other than the square icons, and the chrome bezel, I see nothing that resembles an iphone. If it was a blatant copy, people would have a hard time identifying it.
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So don't the new I phones have a pull down status bar like android? Am I wrong or is that a rip off of Googles work? I dunno. Whatever. Fricking Apple kills me.
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It is different because of the way it works. It is just that small section of screen not the whole screen like android which makes it different enough.
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Color a dodge challenger or a mustang yellow with black stripes. Most of the tools in the world will think its bumblebee.
People are stupid and our patent system is ****ed.
Yes Sammy did "copy" apple, but thats what must be done to be in the mainstream. and has ALWAYS been done.
Our patent system caused this, samsung didnt do anything wrong. IMO
Also, other than the square icons, and the chrome bezel, I see nothing that resembles an iphone. If it was a blatant copy, people would have a hard time identifying it.
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+1 to this. If the idiot judge hadn't granted Apple those patent rights (on stuff they didn't develop, and which should have never been patentable in the first place) this case would have never happened to begin with.
Thinking about this, maybe I could file for patent on any display device that is rectangle and has a bezel with square corners and sue all monitor/televison manufacturers? hmmm
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So don't the new I phones have a pull down status bar like android? Am I wrong or is that a rip off of Googles work? I dunno. Whatever. Fricking Apple kills me.
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Yes. But that's an issue that Android has to deal with, not Samsung (which they are) The OS infringing done by Samsung had to do with Touchwiz, not Android directly (even though the features are found in stock android). And then there's the 'edge to edge glass with a button' and 'rectangle with rounded corners' patents. Yes, Apple was actually allowed to patent a form factor and a shape..
Regardless, every single Apple patent that the jury claimed was valid was ridiculous.
Motorola (Google) has already started filing suit against Apple not too long before this decision.
just wait till Apple patents the circle, triangle and trapezoid, then we're really screwed.
anyways, doesn't every friggin phone out have a large touch screen , edge to edge glass blah blah.
perhaps when the iphone5 comes out with a 4" screen, samsung can sue back since the galaxy has had a 4" screen for years.
funny if this all works out (apple banning samsung phones, while google banning apple phones), we'll only have LG and HTC left LOL
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just wait till Apple patents the circle, triangle and trapezoid, then we're really screwed.
anyways, doesn't every friggin phone out have a large touch screen , edge to edge glass blah blah.
perhaps when the iphone5 comes out with a 4" screen, samsung can sue back since the galaxy has had a 4" screen for years.
funny if this all works out (apple banning samsung phones, while google banning apple phones), we'll only have LG and HTC left LOL
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Theres gonna be a huge market for banned black market devices. I can see the ebayers wheels turning already
In the case of other manufacturers infringing, Apple only needs to win one case like this for other manufacturers to line up to pay for Apples bogus IP and all the rest will just be short court battles that Apple can win just by referencing this case. I do however definitely seeing this as being appealed and Samsung will most likely not end up with this bad of a final verdict. Its just too ridiculous to stand. I mean, SKorea and UK threw the Apple patents out, deemed them invalid! Only here in the US could Apple pull this off..
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just wait till Apple patents the circle, triangle and trapezoid, then we're really screwed.
anyways, doesn't every friggin phone out have a large touch screen , edge to edge glass blah blah.
perhaps when the iphone5 comes out with a 4" screen, samsung can sue back since the galaxy has had a 4" screen for years.
funny if this all works out (apple banning samsung phones, while google banning apple phones), we'll only have LG and HTC left LOL
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Precisely. There isn't much wiggle room with which an all touch device can be designed lol.
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SKorea and UK threw the Apple patents out, deemed them invalid! Only here in the US could Apple pull this off..
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The us had been behind in mobile technology for a long time. Now, if this verdict holds, the rest of the world will get the latest devices while we will all be stuck with either iPhones, phones that to avoid Apple's lawyers have to use technology that is five years old, or phones that cost much more than they do elsewhere because companies are paying to use Apple's "innovations".
The only thing this lawsuit does is to either take away excellent products away from US consumers or make them more expensive for us, while the rest of the world continues to enjoy superior product choices with better technology. The judge that granted these patents to Apple was incompetent.
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The us had been behind in mobile technology for a long time. Now, if this verdict holds, the rest of the world will get the latest devices while we will all be stuck with either iPhones, phones that to avoid Apple's lawyers have to use technology that is five years old, or phones that cost much more than they do elsewhere because companies are paying to use Apple's "innovations".
The only thing this lawsuit does is to either take away excellent products away from US consumers or make them more expensive for us, while the rest of the world continues to enjoy superior product choices with better technology. The judge that granted these patents to Apple was incompetent.
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Agreed but Apple just has to have their way. Reminds me of a spoiled brat tbh although I am not that educated on the issue
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I get that but I mean what else can they do?
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Develop an entirely new UI for their products, like HTC did with Sense even though I know that some or even many people dislike it for various reasons. But hey, let's face it: those Taiwainian guys brought something really new and pretty for Android users, even with all its minuses.
Seeing how samsung stock is plummeting and the overall affect this could have on the android operating system, I feel this is relevant. Mods close if you disagree.
My issue is this. Most of the tech mags im reading are not covering the glaring mistakes made by the jury. There seems to be a finality to the court decision in the news. "See we knew all along apple was being copied and this is what it will mean in the future". Personally I feel this will be overturned. I'm going to site a source from Gizmodo which also sites the Verge as one of their sources.
This is a good read. Please weigh in. Please be mature. And anyone with legal experience please lay your expertise on us.
The mistakes made by the jury are down right embarressing. And their desire to talk to the media is just making it worse for them.
gizmodo article
Over turned as well here. If not then Moto will win their suit against Apple hands down. Personally, they should just end the madness
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Over turned as well here. If not then Moto will win their suit against Apple hands down. Personally, they should just end the madness
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I think it would need to go to the supreme court to really make a difference in the us
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Whatever the outcome, I hope this starts pushing manufacturers to just put AOSP ROMs on our phones--all Nexus, all the time.
Apple is only adding to its demise as a company and a staus symbol. Personally i feel that all this court time they're using is a waste of tax payers money and time. What happened to the law about monopolies in the US im pretty sure thats what apple is trying to become. Is there no such thing as being better because you are not because you own a patent. Imagine what it would be like if sports and car manufacturers were like this. What do we just turn our cheek since its an american company and they're going against foreigners. I say the legal system needs to say f u apple step up your game so u can compete instead of being a ***** and running to mommy because some asshole at school took your lunch money.
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Whatever the outcome, I hope this starts pushing manufacturers to just put AOSP ROMs on our phones--all Nexus, all the time.
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That's what I'm hoping for too. But Apple's vendetta is against android in general, so I'm sure they'll find something to sue over...and there's still the hardware to consider. If Apple truly owns "rectangles with rounded corners", it'll be interesting to see what kind of form factors we'll be looking at in the future.
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Software patent law in the U.S. is broken, and hurts the consumer - If you haven't already, consider signing the online petition for reform that's going around:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1853215
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Software patent law in the U.S. is broken, and hurts the consumer - If you haven't already, consider signing the online petition for reform that's going around:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1853215
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I hope that does some good. For the short term Samsung needs to appeal.
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I think android as a whole i.e. google, htc, sammy, moto, and the low low end companies need to unite and fight apple and there bs patents as a whole and not one by one because it will be ruled in favor of apple everytime because they got home turf advantage. No american is going to rule against an american owned american built american ran company in america. That would go against everything we as americans have been taught and what we believe in. And 90% of americans for whatever reason are blind to the fact that america dont produce a third of whats built and made in america. Hell my ford was assembled and built in canada my chevy was in mexico oh and the kicker is my stryker (the 8 wheeled armor vehicle the army uses) was manufactured built and thought up in canada the company is just based in america. So if our military is going to go outside the US for weapons and vehicles then we should be happy and willing to do the same for our cell phones and other electronics and at least not be biased when it comes down to it in a courtroom setting.
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All this is very upsetting to me .I don't like where this is going..and if something doesn't change the cell phone world may be in for some drastic changes... and I want my HTC s4 pro adreno 320 2gb DDR 3 ram and 4.7 HD display aosp phone... and i don't want apple ruining it
Despite being a dot net developer I've stuck with android because it can do more. If Google somehow loses ill go windows phone for sure cause I already know how to make apps for it.
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Despite being a dot net developer I've stuck with android because it can do more. If Google somehow loses ill go windows phone for sure cause I already know how to make apps for it.
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Android is the clear leader now. I wouldn't worry
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fernando sor said:
Android is the clear leader now. I wouldn't worry
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+1 its so obvious from apples actions that android is top dog and apples trying everything it can to level the playing field. They can feel the walls slowly closing in and the lights getting dimmer for their reign as a technological giant and all they can do is claw and scratch at the dirt walls of the hole they dug themselves into. I for one find it amusing that they have to resort to this level of pediness (sp?) And just all together humiliating tactics that theyre trying to use.
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must be overturned but we have seen stranger things.
From reading the article it seems the jurors didn't have the knowledge or maybe the willingness to preside over this case. I'm going out on a limb here but wasn't Samsung supposed to be judged by a jury of it's peers. Obviously the jury couldn't consist of electronic companies but it should have been made of people that work in that field or people with specific educations. Juries in trials like this shouldn't be picked from the general masses.
Also is it possible for Samsung to get a fair trial in the U.S
Its not possible for any foreign company to get a fair trial in the US were way to biased for that. Plus were in a recession so we need american jobs to stay in america and go to americans. Honestly its all politics and whoever has the bigger wallet wins the case or at least can get a decision of what they want. The legal system in this country is so far in the ****ter that it would take a total revamp of it to get it to be 5% better than it is now. 2 cases i can think of off top of head that prove this: the oj trial (what a joke) and the jon bennet incident granted these cases are old as hell and some people reading are say wtf are you talking about it still proves my point. **** even if you take a look at big business cases martha stewart goes to jail for alleged insider trading where as the top people in charge of enron walk freely with their pockets stuffed to the max. And citizens wander whats wrong with the country and how did we end up in the economic state were in now. End rant.
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neoshi said:
Whatever the outcome, I hope this starts pushing manufacturers to just put AOSP ROMs on our phones--all Nexus, all the time.
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That would just make android more like apple. The point of android is choice, if all of our phones ran the exact same software and ui where's the choice? You would have to root your phone just to get something different. Which isn't a big deal to me because all of my phones have been rooted, but others like to be able to choose a different ui just by picking different phones by different manufacturers.
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+1 its so obvious from apples actions that android is top dog and apples trying everything it can to level the playing field. They can feel the walls slowly closing in and the lights getting dimmer for their reign as a technological giant and all they can do is claw and scratch at the dirt walls of the hole they dug themselves into. I for one find it amusing that they have to resort to this level of pediness (sp?) And just all together humiliating tactics that theyre trying to use.
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Pettiness.
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PsiPhiDan said:
Pettiness.
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Thanks man i knew someone would fix lol
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No problem, I'm anal about that stuff, haha. It's my inner-teacher.
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700 question complaint and they take all of 22 hours to reach a verdict. Even patent experts would need more time to review. Apple's own lawyers weren't prepared for such a quick verdict
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I'm friends are diehard Samsung fans... So they seen a htcone and started in on how much better the screen is on the S4 better compared to the htcone I simply pulled out this picture
And walked away and have not heard a word from them on the subject
I thought it was funny so thought I would make a post about it
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awesome
This is why we call "owned". Go HTC.
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Originally I was on the Samsung bandwagon but never owned the device. The company seemed to make all the right decisions at the time.
Then I got my HOX and bought my sis her S3... Then I knew HTC was doing big things just not getting much credit. My One's screen is just amazing.
Great post to drive that point home! haha
just to add i let the same few buddies play with my HONE and now they hare considering buying a ONE lol they loves how fluid it is compared to crapwiz
OP where did that image comparison come from? I've wanted a good One/S4 screen comparison since these two phones were announced.
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OP where did that image comparison come from? I've wanted a good One/S4 screen comparison since these two phones were announced.
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Droid-Life did a full review of the GS4 and included a macro comparison.
http://www.redmondpie.com/iphone-5-...e-vs-lumia-920-vs-xperia-z-screen-comparison/
Here's another screen comparison. Doesn't have an icon comparo like the OP tho.
Fanboy circlejerk is literally hitler..
But seriously, stuff like this is why I stopped going to the Int'l One forum for a while. I was hoping it wouldn't happen here, too. IMHO it doesn't do anything except create hate between users of two different phones. One of my friends has an iPhone 5 and is happy to try to convince me that it is the **** every time I see him. I just nod politely and move along.
That my friend is what we call a walk off base hit. Good shyt
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I was standing on campus the other day and heard this from a girl standing with a guy:
"HTC's are so stupid. They're the stupidest phones. They can't do anything!"
That is what she said, verbatim. I almost wanted to punch myself in the face for just hearing something that incredibly ignorant. I don't have much shame, but verbally beating down this idiot amongst my peers is not something even I can do or is it worth the effort. THIS is who HTC has to market to. Freaking idiots.
Who cares what they say? Love your phone, tell them to get stuffed
LoL I did similar things almost exactly a year ago, that's the time of galaxy s3 and HOX,
Oh well hope HTC could win this time, even the golleria glass 3rd gen is much better than the one on HTC one which is 2nd gen
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I know everyone is saying "just ignore them" yadda yadda yadda. I disagree and here is why:
HTC isn't Apple or Samsung. Several reviewers have called the HTC One the "hail mary" before they bite the dust, and they may be right. If we want to see HTC keep building these amazing devices, we have to educate in order to make a sell in order to keep them in business. We are the nerds that friends and family go to when they have a question about their phones (and computers too, of course). They may say something like "well the Apple commercial said the iPhone can do THIS!" or "the Samsung commercial said the Galaxy can do THAT". We know what ALL phones are capable of doing because it's our passion. Everyone, at least in the HTC forums, know that our phone can trump nearly every feature on both the iPhone 5 and the GS4, thus, we need to show off our phones capabilities whenever we are hanging out with our friends or family.
TL;DR: If the HTC One doesn't sell well, it may be the last HTC phone ever. Show off your phone and keep them in business! :good:
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I know everyone is saying "just ignore them" yadda yadda yadda. I disagree and here is why:
HTC isn't Apple or Samsung. Several reviewers have called the HTC One the "hail mary" before they bite the dust, and they may be right. If we want to see HTC keep building these amazing devices, we have to educate in order to make a sell in order to keep them in business. We are the nerds that friends and family go to when they have a question about their phones (and computers too, of course). They may say something like "well the Apple commercial said the iPhone can do THIS!" or "the Samsung commercial said the Galaxy can do THAT". We know what ALL phones are capable of doing because it's our passion. Everyone, at least in the HTC forums, know that our phone can trump nearly every feature on both the iPhone 5 and the GS4, thus, we need to show off our phones capabilities whenever we are hanging out with our friends or family.
TL;DR: If the HTC One doesn't sell well, it may be the last HTC phone ever. Show off your phone and keep them in business! :good:
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So, basically, your argument is that you should be allowed to bash other phones and cause random flame wars just because it might, somehow, convince someone to buy a HTC phone. That's never going to work.
1. You're going to be arguing/disputing/whatever with a fanboy. Not someone who doesn't know anything about mobile hardware and the difference between a "Galaxy" and a "HTC," but a full-blown fanboy. They're never going to buy whatever phone you're forcing them to consider.
2. Even if it was someone who wasn't a fanboy, you arguing and trying to make them see that your phone is the god of all phones isn't exactly going to make them buy it--if anything they're less likely, because since you were so militantly trying to justify why anybody would buy your phone it would seem that there is some buyer's remorse, at least in their eyes.
3. Like I said in my other post, flame wars do NOTHING. They don't affect overall phone sales and they don't prove anything. There are probably thousands if not millions of iSheep who believe iPhones are by far the best phones and will take that opinion to their grave. Doesn't change the fact that Apple's losing market share and that Apple's stock is in a downward spiral.
But if you really want to go ahead and be a fanboy, go ahead. I really don't care. Just don't let it get in the way of real discussion. Also, it'd be great if you didn't automatically assume everything Samsung makes is crap just because it's a Samsung. Not everyone shares your opinion. I personally hate Apple but I have to admit the iPhone 5 is a pretty good phone. It's just not something I would like. Just a suggestion.