Ok so I'm new to the note, i love it and being since I'm a flash a holic i love all the custom roms people have been pumping out but what really discourages me from keeping them on my phone is lack of s pen control. Dont you think its kinda pointless to have an s pen and not use it? mean its not like its integrated into the back of our phones or anythimg =p I like the gestures to get around its so nice and the hovering point makes me feel like i have a computer for a phone so my question is , is there any way to implement/port the s pen settings into any custom rom? Miui, jellybean, paranoid would be ****ing sick ha
S-pen support is native to the touchwiz UI, and Samsung.
Other apps from the market work well as a replacement, but the true s-pen support is not able to be used other than running a stock rom, or it's rooted variants.......
you wont see any AOSP, AOKP, MIUI roms running it, because it's Samsung intellectual property......g
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S-pen support is native to the touchwiz UI, and Samsung.
Other apps from the market work well as a replacement, but the true s-pen support is not able to be used other than running a stock rom, or it's rooted variants.......
you wont see any AOSP, AOKP, MIUI roms running it, because it's Samsung intellectual property......g
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Down the road, when Note 2 has dropped, I wonder if its TW and JB will be ported to Note 1...?
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oikhlail11 said:
Ok so I'm new to the note, i love it and being since I'm a flash a holic i love all the custom roms people have been pumping out but what really discourages me from keeping them on my phone is lack of s pen control. Dont you think its kinda pointless to have an s pen and not use it? mean its not like its integrated into the back of our phones or anythimg =p I like the gestures to get around its so nice and the hovering point makes me feel like i have a computer for a phone so my question is , is there any way to implement/port the s pen settings into any custom rom? Miui, jellybean, paranoid would be ****ing sick ha
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If you need the TW and full s-pen, use Bigfau's Black*STAR 6 or Flappjaxxx's UCLF6 b 5.
Either rom is an excellent choice, you will not be disappointed.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1676086 Black*STAR
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1664980 Flappjaxx
goresick;30969352]Down the road, when Note 2 has dropped, I wonder if its TW and JB will be ported to Note 1...
Well,
I think the odds are good that a note II rom will make it to the note 1....
Depending on the final version that ATT gets.
If it's a quad core.....then probably not. but if it's a qualcomm chipset with duals...then maybe....
The devs will be the first to let us know I'm sure...LOL....g
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Honest question, not trying to incite argument. I'm really lost as to why so many people so passionately want jelly bean on our device. The only explanation I can come up with is it's newer so it's better. But my understanding of the changes is also very limited, so I get that I'm not exactly an authority on the subject.
I run BS X with flapp's 3.0 kernel and Nova Launcher using JB animations. Battery life is great. Animations are smooth. Flash works perfectly, and I get ICS Browser+. Bumping up to JB, I would immediately, arguably, lose two of those features (I find flash is flaky on JB). So, I guess what I'm getting at is, all I see, personally, are disadvantages to upgrading -- what are the advantages? Are there some great apps that only work on jelly bean? Other than project butter, was there a major development? Why are people so concerned about JB when we have extremely fast, stable ICS roms?
I think it's mostly just human nature at play. People always crave what they can't have. Or they want the next best thing. Those desires, plus greed, are what move societies along the development continuum. I'm not trying to make this a bad thing - its how we move forward. I just can't stand the crying and complaining from some.
Run official JB on an Officially supported device and it may make more sense to you. On the Note I bounce between ICS and JB mainly for testing purposes. On my Galaxy Nexus which is what I run daily JB 4.2.1 is the best thing since pockets.
Everyone needs pockets!
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Run official JB on an Officially supported device and it may make more sense to you. On the Note I bounce between ICS and JB mainly for testing purposes. On my Galaxy Nexus which is what I run daily JB 4.2.1 is the best thing since pockets.
Everyone needs pockets!
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LMAO!!!! Posted that on Facebook, nice reply Flapps
Project Butter or Buffer
Anthony820 said:
Honest question, not trying to incite argument. I'm really lost as to why so many people so passionately want jelly bean on our device. The only explanation I can come up with is it's newer so it's better. But my understanding of the changes is also very limited, so I get that I'm not exactly an authority on the subject.
I run BS X with flapp's 3.0 kernel and Nova Launcher using JB animations. Battery life is great. Animations are smooth. Flash works perfectly, and I get ICS Browser+. Bumping up to JB, I would immediately, arguably, lose two of those features (I find flash is flaky on JB). So, I guess what I'm getting at is, all I see, personally, are disadvantages to upgrading -- what are the advantages? Are there some great apps that only work on jelly bean? Other than project butter, was there a major development? Why are people so concerned about JB when we have extremely fast, stable ICS roms?
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If you ever played with a JB device everything is smooth and fast.
The advances made to the drop down window are worth it alone.
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Run official JB on an Officially supported device and it may make more sense to you. On the Note I bounce between ICS and JB mainly for testing purposes. On my Galaxy Nexus which is what I run daily JB 4.2.1 is the best thing since pockets.
Everyone needs pockets!
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I would definitely agree with that statement
sent from my Samsung galaxy s 3 running Jellybean 4.2.1
Project butter, Google now, Google keeps giving.
-Once you go NOTE, you'd say 4 inches a Joke
[Lady]: "How do you carry that huge phone in your pocket?"
[Note User]: "I'm used to having huge stuff in my pants"
I couldn't care less about project butter..smoothness is nice, but I'm not kid. I don't need to show up my iPhone carrying friends with how amazingly my phone transitions from swipe to swipe...
Google now however...now that is worth an upgrade.
While I am so greatfull that some excellent devs have brought a half decent port to ICS ROMs...it is just that- half decent compared to it's current incarnation on job ROMs.
If there is one thing that saddens me about us being no longer in line to receive official JB on our phones, it's that we may never see the latest enhancements to GN. We have to hope that some poor, glutton for punishment dev, takes up the cause and brings us these. Unfortunately, from what I've read, this will require a complete overhaul and will need to be started from the ground up as Google has made a lot of changes to bring greater speed and functionality to search...My understanding is that, at present, there is no dev crazy enough to undertake this...
Although....ahem....cough...cough.....I have ....on occasion, ....you know....kinda questioned flapjaxxx's sanity:laugh:
If anyone can...FJ can...
but he still needs source, or it's a dead stick....
My wife has the Note2, and I gotta say, that it's a smooth and sweet running machine on Official JB.
I've always viewed ICS as the "windows ME" version of android...runs ok, but just kinda glitchy, and ultimately the stepping stone for the next generation of good software.
JB official is some badazz software...IMHO....g
I second that!!!
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I have the 4.1.2 leak on my skyrocket. Smooth. And that's with touch wiz. The newer touch wiz also brings a lot of nice features with it too. Granted, I don't have room to speak on the glories of touch wiz as I write this on agnex. 4.1 and 4.2 are sweet. This thing tells me more than I need to know with Google now. Downside is Google now is a battery sucking whore.
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I have the 4.1.2 leak on my skyrocket. Smooth. And that's with touch wiz. The newer touch wiz also brings a lot of nice features with it too. Granted, I don't have room to speak on the glories of touch wiz as I write this on agnex. 4.1 and 4.2 are sweet. This thing tells me more than I need to know with Google now. Downside is Google now is a battery sucking whore.
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oh, so THAT's why my battery dies in record time. I loss 10% while drawing a picture
Hi guys,
can you help me understanding the main pros/cons for going with Samsung JB or an AOSP rom on the Galaxy S3?
I've tried searching the forum but without luck, anyone got a thread link where this is covered?
My first Samsung (S3) phone is on its way by mail, and I'm trying to decide which type of rom to choose.
Off course I see the obvious stuff like:
Open vs Closed source
Stock vs Custom UI
But, except for the above; why should I choose an optimized (de-odexed, de-bloated etc. etc.) Samsung JB rom over an AOSP rom?
From what I can understand custom kernels also exists for both rom types, so that wouldn't be an argument right?
I'm not familiar with the current HW support in AOSP rom's for the S3. Generally this has been where roms for my HTC phones have differed in the past. What's the status with the S3, do AOSP support most of the stuff or is there still some way to go?
Please shed some light for me :fingers-crossed:
And please don't compare specific rom's against each others. I'm trying to understand this at higher level, I will off course test several rom's and make up my own mind about what specific rom release is best suited for me.
Samsung roms will have all the things mentioned in the ads such as direct call, smart stay, multi window etc. Aosp won't have these as they are samsungs additions. Samsung will have touchwiz launcher as default, which comes with a lot of samsung only widgets. Aosp will have vanilla launcher (with some extra functions and tweaks).
Sammy roms generally have better camera than aosp. Aosp is considered to have better battery usage although I can't really tell from my experience of using both types.
Deodexed means it's easier to develop themes for, as the external odex files are repackaged into the apks directly. But it will take a while longer when booting, as odex files are meant to speed up this process. As for the actual usage, not much difference.
Debloated means getting rid of bloatware that come with your phone, sich as chaton, google talk etc. There will be quite a lot of apps that you don't use but will be present and wasting your phone resources. Debloating is done by some developers but you can do most of ot yourself as long as you're rooted.
Hope this clears things. But these are all general, as you wished it to be. Some aosp will have different launcher options etc, so will sammy roms. As for what you go with, I'll leave it up to you.
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Thanks a lot xcly, this clears up some stuff for me
You say that Sammy roms have better camera, what about the rest of the HW support on AOSP? The rest of the stuff (GPS, Accel, Gyro etc.) works ok?
From what I can gather from your post (and reading around) the choice boils down to two main points for me
HW support
Kernel (stability and performance, ofwhich battery performance is derived)
I don't care much for the 'Samsung features' (direct call, smart stay, multi window etc.) and the launcher can always be customized.
Additionally my previous experience is that the continious devlopment done on AOSP (with nightlies etc.) gives a nice feeling of continous improvement that you miss from manufacturer roms. For manufacturer roms you're relying on manufacturer relase schedules and leaks. But off course, one can argue that there is continous development through hacking, back-porting and kernel improvements for these roms as well..
Ultimately I think Ill just have to try out the most popular roms of both types before I'm able to decide what type I go with as a daily driver.
As for kernels most of then support both aosp and sammy so don't worry about it too much. Gps wifi and the lot work well on both as well.
Samsung didn't release any source code for its processor so aosp roms can never realise the full potential. Never had any trouble using aosp so I wouldn't say there is a huge difference, but I guess some advanced users will miss the hw side of things..
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Simple to say
TouchWiz UI and pure Android UI.
Other things basically are very similar
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Haha nice. All my words in a single sentence
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Here is some personal feeling about them.
As you can see from my signature that I had Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus before, and after I lost my GNex, I tried to buy a Nexus 4, but it kinda like mission impossible as it's serious outta supply, so I was forced to make compromise and go with Galaxy S III, which is very nice phone through some thing I don't like such as hardware button and soft key (because GNex uses virtual button on screen which is completely customizable ).
I have been using AOSP ROM for over a year (well, it's outta options actually as they are Google's sons but Samsung didn't make a ROM for them even they are manufactured by Samsung , and 3 month with Sammy ROM.
Even I got my S3, the first thing I have done is flash AOSP ROM and get my feeling about GNex back, but unfortunately due to some reasons, I couldn't make it become GNex-like and realize it is something fool, so I tried Sammy stock ROM.
My first feeling about it is a little prettier than AOSP ( through there's countless themes for AOSP, I am just talking about default theme ) and some Sammy features are very interesting and attractive. (IMHO, I'd say it is more user-friendly to users ) which is why I decided to stay with it , but after all these times, I didn't actually use these features much except multi windows and slide to dial...
OK, sorry for my non sense words and my bad English just can exactly express what I trying to say...
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FoxHound rom is all you need.
crDroid is the most stable Sammy Tom out there with the option of having an AOSP theme & not installing all the bloatware that Samsung Roms are notorious for.
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A quick follow up question
Just a quick follow up question regarding HW support:
Whats the status for AOSP roms regarding MHL, does it work?
I recently saw a video where a guy paired his phone with a PS3 controller and played games on his HD TV. Would this possible on non-Sammy roms?
Can't help you much on that. Never tried mhl on my s3, aosp or otherwise. You're better off asking/searching in cm thread. If it works on cm, it'd probably work on other aosp roms too.
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Pedro80 said:
Just a quick follow up question regarding HW support:
Whats the status for AOSP roms regarding MHL, does it work?
I recently saw a video where a guy paired his phone with a PS3 controller and played games on his HD TV. Would this possible on non-Sammy roms?
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You need to read the relevant rom threads or logically ask in those threads .
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First off I just need to know the difference of the 2 I've flashed roms for several years now but I've really ever had this ? Answered for me we all known touchwiz roms are much bigger than Aosp roms so is the space that's not being used by Aosp roms is it available to the user Like almost 600mb that's not being used by this rom ?
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Basically it doesnt have the touchwiz skin at all. Its plain android. It also means no s-pen support (its implemented now in the official nightlies however rudementary).
As far as the usuable space, thats a good question. It may not necessarily use it but I dont think its available to the user.
At one point AOSP was about speed and fluidity (albeit still that way) but with the power of this phone its pretty fluid on Touchwiz or AOSP.
For me its always boiled down to whether or not ill be using the pen. I dont use it often, I flash to AOSP and find myself missing features of touchwiz and flashing back. My best suggestion is to go through that exercise and make the decision for yourself.
Yeah beans 17 gives you just the look of Aosp but the Guts of Touchwiz it would be nice to have a Rom that had the mixture of the 2
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My concern is the camera app. Samsung does an awesome job with the camera software. I've always heard, and also confirmed this during my brief fling with the Galaxy Nexus. How are photos on the N2 using the AOSP software?
Beans is a good mixture and hes an awesome dev to boot. He listens to users and includes features they want to see.
The camera app in AOSP quite frankly is s**t. Its finicky, doesnt like low light conditions and is prone to force closing (no fault to the devs as they have been given zero information to build from, its incredible theyve even gotten it to where it is). I dont use my camera alot so I forgot about that.
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Basically it doesnt have the touchwiz skin at all. Its plain android. It also means no s-pen support (its implemented now in the official nightlies however rudementary).
As far as the usuable space, thats a good question. It may not necessarily use it but I dont think its available to the user.
At one point AOSP was about speed and fluidity (albeit still that way) but with the power of this phone its pretty fluid on Touchwiz or AOSP.
For me its always boiled down to whether or not ill be using the pen. I dont use it often, I flash to AOSP and find myself missing features of touchwiz and flashing back. My best suggestion is to go through that exercise and make the decision for yourself.
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While there is very little S-pen support in AOSP roms people can always get GMD Spen Control from the Play Store and that will give them a lot of the S-pen functionality back.
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AOSP: pure, straight, unmolested raw Google code. What goes on a Nexus.
TW: Samsung's proprietary skin/software that they build on top of stock android. Hence the size difference. Sense is HTC's version.
Littleguevara is spot on about the camera. That's why I stick with TW. And my battery, GPS and overall stability is better. Now if I had a Nexus 4....
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Hi everybody
Recently I noticed a large interest in the subject custom ROM for Mega. Especially a lot was written about the AOSP. Please express, what do you expect after installing such ROM and why you do not like TW?
Another thing are stock ROM's stripped of almost all s-apps and other software deemed unnecessary in order to recover memory. Please share your opinions on the advisability of such action. Did you really needed all this reclaimed memory?
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I expect most of the new features for S4 and Note 3 to be available in this ROM.
I still dont know if we can expect full 4.3 update. Some web sites claim that Mega wont receive this "Premium package" update whatever that means. I dont think that Mega 6.3 is a mid class smartphone and it would be plain stupidity if we stay out of good updates. So very important part for a custom RoM is the availability of the latest Samsung goodies from the flagman like S4 for instance.
Also I think that TW is not so bad, I like its interface.
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I expect most of the new features for S4 and Note 3 to be available in this ROM.
Also I think that TW is not so bad, I like its interface.
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Hmm, I was asking about expectation towards AOSP custom ROM-s as such CM or MIUI. As you probably know, many futures in Samsung stock ROM depends heavily on TW. Massive striping stock Samsung ROM from all s-apps could even cripple your phone. But installing AOSP ROM will means clean-out all samsung dependencies, so there will be not possible to run futures from S4 or GN3. maybe I'm wrong, let somebody correct me.
I think so TW is not so bad either and was curious why some people are so opposed to it. I was user of Motorola Defy which actualization stops on Android 2.3 so custom ROM's were only alternative. Now I am not so eager to strip my Mega to bare AOSP.
Yeah I missed the point of AOSP rom a little bit, but I strongly believe that a Samsung device without TW loses its advantages. I've been using Galaxy S with AOSP for a long time but I was forced to do it because of the lack of updates after 2.3.6
Samsung says that the new 4.3 update will bring new and fast TW without lags and constant refreshing. This makes me think that porting the new SW is better than Aosp roms. Of course there should be some roms based on CM cause many people preffer stock android instead of customized one.
I just want CM because it allows you to port MIUI v5. I have always been a fan of MIUI roms.
The S Pen is one of the main the reasons for the Note Range, and I think that CM is big enough now to not only build these generic ROMs but should take some time to develop specifics, I really LOVE CM but due to the fact that the S Pen functionality is so poorly integrated (it really is) I cant use CM, and I think that CM has enough people involved in developing to take the S Pen functionality and get it into CM for the Note Range, I know it won't be easy but really, I'm sure it can be done, and would love to see it, similarly the fact that the heartrate monitor etc. is just ignored by CM is another example of where generic ROMs miss out... I know its easy to sit here and chirp but I'm so peeved myself, Having tried so many CM based ROMs for the Note 4 and just not being able to use the things (not easily anyhow) specific to the Note 4.
EDIT: Sorry think this is in the wrong section... hopefully Mod will move it appropriately.
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The S Pen is one of the main the reasons for the Note Range, and I think that CM is big enough now to not only build these generic ROMs but should take some time to develop specifics, I really LOVE CM but due to the fact that the S Pen functionality is so poorly integrated (it really is) I cant use CM, and I think that CM has enough people involved in developing to take the S Pen functionality and get it into CM for the Note Range, I know it won't be easy but really, I'm sure it can be done, and would love to see it, similarly the fact that the heartrate monitor etc. is just ignored by CM is another example of where generic ROMs miss out... I know its easy to sit here and chirp but I'm so peeved myself, Having tried so many CM based ROMs for the Note 4 and just not being able to use the things (not easily anyhow) specific to the Note 4.
EDIT: Sorry think this is in the wrong section... hopefully Mod will move it appropriately.
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i always wish there would be a stock android + samsung features (multi window, camera, apps, spen)
would be much cooler than touchwiz and there is many useless stuff in tw but much missing in stock android
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3000448
Careful, you might be ridiculed for saying a 'possible negative' comment about CM... Haha. Although I personally don't think it is. Seems like a bit of a touchy subject.
It would be awesome though I agree.
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@Jostian, I think this app goes a long way towards answering your call to action.
Unfortunately I have an Exynos device so at present I can't test CM 12.
I wouldn't mind just having CM available on my variant of the Note 4 at all. Or more than 1 ROM full stop.
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I wouldn't mind just having CM available on my variant of the Note 4 at all. Or more than 1 ROM full stop.
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Its nice to have and works great but you have to give up a lot of features including any Samsung accessories you may use and fast charging. Also while battery life is more then enough to get you through the day it's not as great as stock TW battery life.
Still the same for me I have CM also on all my android devices, but not on my note4, because I love the spend features, and I will miss this on CM, if anyone has a 3partyApp that has the same functions like the samsung spen app, please let me know.