Really wanted a developers perspective on this. Seeing as how the Rezound and the One X have the same camera sensor (Samsung S5K3H2YX), I was wondering if it would be possible to grab the drivers over from that phone over to ours. Has this been going down with development all along? Are there technical limitations? Are the drivers exactly the same or updated? If it is more recent on the One X would this provide any benefit to us?
theyre built for different socs, our libs are built for msm8660 soc and theirs is built for msm8960 soc
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theyre built for different socs, our libs are built for msm8660 soc and theirs is built for msm8960 soc
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lol that was fast.. well i guess that answers my question thanks!
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Hello, I saw a some information on a Norwegian site about the new HTC Dream, with a new processor, the MSM7201A, same as the touch pro.
If so, when somebody dumps a the andriod for the Dream, isn't that fearly "easy" to port, since they have the same processor?
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Like most newer advanced smart phones, Dream has been a processor with high-Clock. 528 MHz processor that provides the type of chipset Qualcomm MSM7201A. This is the same chipset that's in the HTC Touch Pro and Touch HD. ADP1 has 192 MB of memory available to the user.
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Can somebody tell me if I'm stupid or confire the facts?
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Even though it has the same processor, the hardware is still different, so while it's fairly easy, you still need to have that in mind when trying to port/make drivers work.
Ginormous thread regarding this topic: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402002
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Not too long ago, we shared fantastic news that Qualcomm had released the Adreno 2xx GPU Binaries for Ice Cream Sandwich. However one thing that we failed to consider was that these precompiled GPU binaries were compatible only with ARMv7 devices.
Sadly, this left many users with older and less powerful ARMv6 devices out in the cold. Due to having less powerful CPUs, these are devices that could stand to benefit greatly from full GPU hardware acceleration in ICS. Not content with sitting idly by, XDA Forum Member sweetnsour quickly saw fit to create a global petition asking Qualcomm to compile and release the necessary Adreno 2xx GPU binaries to get ARMv6 devices up to speed with ICS back on March 17th.
Less than two weeks later, and thanks largely to sweetnsour’s petition efforts, Qualcomm Senior Staff Engineer Dave Astle—otherwise known as XDA Forum Member myopicrhino—lets us know that Qualcomm has shared the goods with the development community. In other words, we now have the proper Adreno 2xx GPU binaries for ICS on ARMv6 devices.
In the words of the Qualcomm Forum Master:
In order to provide enthusiasts with recent improvements made to Snapdragon’s Adreno graphics driver for the 7×27 based on the ARMv6 ISA, Qualcomm has posted the updated Adreno 200 graphics driver binaries here. It has been tested with the Ice Cream Sandwich CAF release M8960AAAAANLYA1030, but Qualcomm is providing these driver binaries “as is” to those of you who have requested them.
Official Release Information:
This release contains the user-mode driver binaries for Qualcomm’s Adreno 2xx GPU on Google Android Ice Cream Sandwich for ARMv6 based chipsets. It has been tested with the CAF release M8960AAAAANLYA1030. Supports any Adreno 2xx GPU on Android ICS using the ARMv6 chipset (7×27). Google’s libRS (LLVM) does not currently support ARMv6.
Well there you have it, folks. Score this as another big win for the development community. And just as before, we would like to extend our gratitude for Qualcomm for playing nicely with the enthusiast / development community. ARMv6 developers looking to get cracking with the new GPU binaries can find what they’re looking for in Qualcomm’s Mobile Gaming and Graphics page or from myopicrhino’s post.
Qualcomm, thank you for once again showing that you care about your users and the Android development community.
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I am assuming it would be of great help to our dedicated developers working towards ICS on HTC Flyer!
EDIT: HTC Flyer is an ARMv7 device. Apologies for the mistake!
So Cheers!
No. People, get your facts straight. The Flyer doesn't have an ARM6, but an ARMv7 which has its binaries released a while ago.
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Chaosz-X said:
No. People, get your facts straight. The Flyer doesn't have an ARM6, but an ARMv7 which has its binaries released a while ago.
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Apologies. I got confused! Thanks for the info.
Hey
I just noticed that crapple released it's new iphone 5 yesterday. That phone has the exynos 5 chip?! The s3 has the exynos 4...
Why does samsung give a better chip to its rival? What is the difference of the 4 and 5 chip?
Confused...
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What is the difference of the 4 and 5 chip?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exynos
iphone doesnt have exynos,it has their own modified A6 chipset. exynos is built by samsung.
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iphone doesnt have exynos,it has their own modified A6 chipset. exynos is built by samsung.
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So the A15 dual core architecture with mali T-604 gpu doesent have anything with samsung to do? Does the A6 chipset include T-604?
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So the A15 dual core architecture with mali T-604 gpu doesent have anything with samsung to do? Does the A6 chipset include T-604?
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no, is PowerVR SGX
f3n0m3no said:
iphone doesnt have exynos,it has their own modified A6 chipset. exynos is built by samsung.
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no, is PowerVR SGX
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yes it is exynos but the reason why they are so secretive is that A6 is actually a dualcore exynos but with a quadcore gpu
the GPU is slightly more powerfull
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exynos
Exynos 5 Dual[19]
(previously Exynos 5250[20]) 32 nm HKMG ARMv7 1.7 GHz Dual-core ARM Cortex-A15 ARM Mali-T604 (Quad-core)[21] 32-bit Dual-channel 800 MHz LPDDR3/DDR3 or 533 MHz LPDDR2 Q2 2012[20] iPhone 5 (lower clock speed)
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What where does it say exynos and apple iphone 5??
Edit http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_5
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see my post, iphone 5 uses soc build by samsung on the arm cortex-a15 instruction set
the a6 cpu is exactly a exynos 5 with a lower clock speed
samsung have built most of the cpu chipsets for iphone
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see my post, iphone 5 uses soc build by samsung on the arm cortex-a15 instruction set
the a6 cpu is exactly a exynos 5 with a lower clock speed
samsung have built most of the cpu chipsets for iphone
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I am getting sick of all this speculation when they dont even know for sure...I have came from a site which says Iphone 5 has the New A15 Arm Processor. You want to know how they worked it out? Well because at the event they said it will be 2X faster.. THATS IT. That is how they guessed it. They even admitted and said its just a guess!!! THen I read comments from people and they even said they could of just clocked it at a higher speed which then in theory is 2X faster.. No one knows for sure yet Apple is secretive. I beleive if apple has the fastest chip in a phone I dont know why they will be so secretive. I would advertise it but who knows. So no know one knows if apple has exynos 5 stop playing chinese wispers
Look how bull**** this is see the wikipedia which to me is probably bull**** now have a look at this site
http://nvonews.com/2012/09/13/hands-on-with-iphone-5-release-specs-price-pictures/
so whos correct?? loool no one knows what it is yet
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I am getting sick of all this speculation when they dont even know for sure...I have came from a site which says Iphone 5 has the New A15 Arm Processor. You want to know how they worked it out? Well because at the event they said it will be 2X faster.. THATS IT. That is how they guessed it. They even admitted and said its just a guess!!! THen I read comments from people and they even said they could of just clocked it at a higher speed which then in theory is 2X faster.. No one knows for sure yet Apple is secretive. I beleive if apple has the fastest chip in a phone I dont know why they will be so secretive. I would advertise it but who knows. So no know one knows if apple has exynos 5 stop playing chinese wispers
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sir, im sick of people like you who get there knickers in a twist when there are certain people in the industry that know these things
if that information provided on wiki was false then apple and samsung would immediately have it removed and the content ommited due to on going legal implications.
it is known by the industry that the Ax cpus are built by samsung, apple have intentionally avoided mentioning its a dualcore cpu as people dont like that sound and are marketing it as a quadcore gpu (the a5x was also quad gpu)
this isnt chinese whispers. sort out your attitude and come back with some valid and correct information.
What we do not know is performance, the new generation dual core could out perform the quadcore in many ways due to the new instruction set. the gpu is certainly improved but we have no realtime tests or bench marks to go on.
dual/quad certainly doesnt mean better
Btw the dual core a15 is 40% faster ( at core) respect the a9 with very minor power consumption
So is like a quad core a9 in performance ( global)
at the end s3 and iphone5 are equivalent in power ( cpu, gpu is better the iphone one) and batteru life ( 1500mah vs 2100 mah considering the a15 lower power cons )
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sir, im sick of people like you who get there knickers in a twist when there are certain people in the industry that know these things
if that information provided on wiki was false then apple and samsung would immediately have it removed and the content ommited due to on going legal implications.
it is known by the industry that the Ax cpus are built by samsung, apple have intentionally avoided mentioning its a dualcore cpu as people dont like that sound and are marketing it as a quadcore gpu (the a5x was also quad gpu)
this isnt chinese whispers. sort out your attitude and come back with some valid and correct information.
What we do not know is performance, the new generation dual core could out perform the quadcore in many ways due to the new instruction set. the gpu is certainly improved but we have no realtime tests or bench marks to go on.
dual/quad certainly doesnt mean better
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What a JOKER I know that samsung builds these chips. Your telling me if there is false information on the net Apple will take it down Immediatley ROFL. Bro you have had it thats all I can say.
Have you seen the Iphone 5 and played with it and diagnosed it? Why One site says 1Ghz Dual and another says 1.2Ghz Dual? Your telling me that this chip is both ? WHY hasnt apple shut down the sites?????? Im sick of people like you that think they know it all !!!!! If one site claims something then another site can copy the specs of that site and put it on you dont think thats possibe???
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6279/apples-iphone-5-uses-a6-soc-arm-cortex-a15s-inside
here is a site which claims it the A15 note what they say
Apple just announced the A6 SoC powering the new iPhone 5 features 2x faster CPU and GPU performance compared to the iPhone 4S. Apple reserves major Ax SoC number iterations for architecture changes, combine that with the performance claims as well as some other stuff we've heard offline and there's one conclusion: the iPhone 5 uses ARM Cortex A15 cores inside
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iphone doesnt have exynos,it has their own modified A6 chipset. exynos is built by samsung.
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base from phonearena is stated made by samsung
and is exynos
http://t.co/cKqKS3T2
http://translate.google.com/transla...ebutto-il-28-settembre-in-italia-su-iphone-5/
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yes it is exynos but the reason why they are so secretive is that A6 is actually a dualcore exynos but with a quadcore gpu
the GPU is slightly more powerfull
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exynos
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Stop talking **** for crying out loud.
Propagating complete rubbish all over the internet.
A6 will have been developed in house at Apple and fabbed by Samsung on a 32nm process. No one knows for sure if its A9 or A15 cores inside.
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What a JOKER I know that samsung builds these chips. Your telling me if there is false information on the net Apple will take it down Immediatley ROFL. Bro you have had it thats all I can say.
Have you seen the Iphone 5 and played with it and diagnosed it? Why One site says 1Ghz Dual and another says 1.2Ghz Dual? Your telling me that this chip is both ? WHY hasnt apple shut down the sites?????? Im sick of people like you that think they know it all !!!!! If one site claims something then another site can copy the specs of that site and put it on you dont think thats possibe???
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hahahaha you make me laugh, shutting down a site is different to getting data from wikipedia ommited as wiki whilst sometimes incorrect gets corrected due to it providing logical and correct indexes of valid information
as for me personally, you dont know who i am and what i know.
apple do often get stuff taken down that they can have controll of, wikipedia is one of them
well see wont we. when the handset is released and someone takes it apart its only a matter of time, then i will come back here and laugh at you for being an idiot.
calm down, get a glass of water. if you dont want to read about this stuff then dont click on a link that is clearly talking about it.
or have you come here just to be an argumentative moron
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Stop talking **** for crying out loud.
Propagating complete rubbish all over the internet.
A6 will have been developed in house at Apple and fabbed by Samsung on a 32nm process. No one knows for sure if its A9 or A15 cores inside.
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really? you know this do you? and you are telling me to stop talking **** when ive only mentioned it here however you come out with a new bold statement? hypocrisy
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hahahaha you make me laugh, shutting down a site is different to getting data from wikipedia ommited as wiki whilst sometimes incorrect gets corrected due to it providing logical and correct indexes of valid information
as for me personally, you dont know who i am and what i know.
Apple do often get stuff taken down that they can have controll of, wikipedia is one of them
well see wont we. When the handset is released and someone takes it apart its only a matter of time, then i will come back here and laugh at you for being an idiot.
Calm down, get a glass of water. If you dont want to read about this stuff then dont click on a link that is clearly talking about it.
Or have you come here just to be an argumentative moron
really? You know this do you? And you are telling me to stop talking **** when ive only mentioned it here however you come out with a new bold statement? Hypocrisy
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hahhaha i cant wait to see you laughing at yourself because no where did i say apple does not have a15 i said no one knows forsure. And people are guessing. So yes lets wait for the 100% truth which means it wont be speculation BUT 100% fact
Dude!...it's simple..! Logic...if iPhone 5's processor was faster than the one in s3...they would've marketed it like hell!..but they didn't....
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Dude!...it's simple..! Logic...if iPhone 5's processor was faster than the one in s3...they would've marketed it like hell!..but they didn't....
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thats no wholly true
if it is indeed an exynos 5 and i trust the sources, then it could be as powerful as a exynos4 quad on day to day tasks and single threaded tasks
apple are not stupid, if they came out and said openly that its dual core then people would not look at the bigger picture and s3 users who do not know the inner workings of the instruction sets would be like "HAHAHAHAHAHA I5 ONLY DUAL CORE" when infact it doesnt mean much.
remember when an e8400 dual core could kick the ass of a q6800 extreme?
similar thing could well happen here, no one has seen how a exynos4quad benches against a exynos5 dual
Will the tegra 3+ processor affect performance in any way? And what are its drawbacks as compared to snapdragon? Also does it have any advantages over the snapdragon?
Not really. The tegra 3 to be truthful is one of thebworst SOCs on the market. The krait s4/s4 pro both out perform it in every aspect. Be it standard voltage, dye leakage (smaller transistors 28nm, as opposed to t3's 40nm), performance at similar clock speeds (float point, multitasking, etc). I feel like nvidia really has no clue what theyre doing looking at the architecture for the tegra 3. TI's OMAP crushes the krait s4, and the exynos chipsets usually are on top of that. The only real drawback to having an exynos chipaet is the lack lf source documentation on sammys part which makes development difficult. But with all thats been going on regarding that it looks like thats about to change. Exynos with documentation is as good as it gets since youre getting a powerhouse CPU and GPu. The t3 has got an okay gpu at best. Sorry to burst your bubble :/ just stating facts
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Not really. The tegra 3 to be truthful is one of thebworst SOCs on the market. The krait s4/s4 pro both out perform it in every aspect. Be it standard voltage, dye leakage (smaller transistors 28nm, as opposed to t3's 40nm), performance at similar clock speeds (float point, multitasking, etc). I feel like nvidia really has no clue what theyre doing looking at the architecture for the tegra 3. TI's OMAP crushes the krait s4, and the exynos chipsets usually are on top of that. The only real drawback to having an exynos chipaet is the lack lf source documentation on sammys part which makes development difficult. But with all thats been going on regarding that it looks like thats about to change. Exynos with documentation is as good as it gets since youre getting a powerhouse CPU and GPu. The t3 has got an okay gpu at best. Sorry to burst your bubble :/ just stating facts
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For me being USA ATT user would it then be best to choose the HTC ONE DLX instead of the ONE X+ due to the processors? Well neither are out yet so who knows if the US version processors will be any different. Just thinking with a 5" screen i'll need a back pack to carry it around, lol. Coming from an Iphone 4 3.5" screen to a possible X+ 4.7" screen is a huge jump in itself. Just can't stick with Apple after the huge let down of the Iphone 5 so making the switch as soon as these phones come out. New to all this stuff but had no idea Tegra 3 really that bad? Videos of the device look smooth and gameplay?
If you really wanna know about the power of the Tegra3, your gonna want to read these threads.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1476788
And
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1664391
The first thread will be a general discussion on the international HOX and has a lot of information concerning the Tegra3. A lot of pages, over 930, but worth the time to read to understand the Tegra3 chip and what it is capable of as well as some info regarding the S4. The second thread has 60+ pages and is concerning gaming on the HOX. Well worth the time to read and see what all had to be done to get the full potential of the Tegra3. You also have to evaluate your choices this way. The Tegra3 is built with gaming in mind. The S4Pro is built with all around performance in mind.
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Will the tegra 3+ processor affect performance in any way? And what are its drawbacks as compared to snapdragon? Also does it have any advantages over the snapdragon?
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it's a good processor, but not in comparison to the Exynos 4 quad and the snapdragon S4/S4 pro. Those are definitely better SoCs
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Friends, I was eager to get the One X+ , and I love flashing new roms etc.. so I wanted to ask, since it has a Tegra 3, and tegra 3 is not as open as Qcomm and omap , how do you think the development would be once htc asus etc. who are using the tegra3 chips stops updating future android versions..will it be developmental friendly for a longer run?
If tegra does not release sources etc. wouldn't it be an issue later on? Please do advice. thanks!
If i remember correctly on the original one x, the tegra drivers were constantly being updated every month or so and it was always included in the latest kernels. With the new JB update the tegra 3 gpu has been updated to a vastly improved driver resulting in a 10-15% speed increase, development is pretty good with the tegra 3 gpu. Its not that the gpu isn`t powerful, but the reason why people get game lags is either due to scaling or the game being unoptimized for tegra. Scaling issues is due to the gpu clock being in sync with the cpu clock, for example temple run will lag because it does not recquire much cpu and thus the gpu will remain idle yet shadowgun thd will not because the cpu and gpu will scale up to max clock. The gpu can be decoupled with the renovate gaming boost app which is probably one of the best tegra developments ever made, hope i helped.
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If i remember correctly on the original one x, the tegra drivers were constantly being updated every month or so and it was always included in the latest kernels. With the new JB update the tegra 3 gpu has been updated to a vastly improved driver resulting in a 10-15% speed increase, development is pretty good with the tegra 3 gpu. Its not that the gpu isn`t powerful, but the reason why people get game lags is either due to scaling or the game being unoptimized for tegra. Scaling issues is due to the gpu clock being in sync with the cpu clock, for example temple run will lag because it does not recquire much cpu and thus the gpu will remain idle yet shadowgun thd will not because the cpu and gpu will scale up to max clock. The gpu can be decoupled with the renovate gaming boost app which is probably one of the best tegra developments ever made, hope i helped.
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Thanks for the info mate. appreciate it ! so even with the next releases of android, if nexus 7 or htc doesnt update them ( or updates them late ), will developers find it easy to upbring aosp and sense based roms easily?
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Thanks for the info mate. appreciate it ! so even with the next releases of android, if nexus 7 or htc doesnt update them ( or updates them late ), will developers find it easy to upbring aosp and sense based roms easily?
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most of the development for the tegra chipset is within the kernel and provided that the one x+ receives similar treatement to the original one x which it should given that the hardware is almost identical, developers should be able to easliy update drivers as well as creating custom configs and tweaks for the tegra gpu.
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most of the development for the tegra chipset is within the kernel and provided that the one x+ receives similar treatement to the original one x which it should given that the hardware is almost identical, developers should be able to easliy update drivers as well as creating custom configs and tweaks for the tegra gpu.
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Thanks for the info. Im trying to collect as much info. as possible before getting a new device, since Samsung Galaxy exynos platform has been creating major issues with development with new android versions, I want to make sure that the next device I go for has a strong developmental platform.
So , if the one x or one x+ does not receive a 5.0 android upgrade from htc, would it get difficult with the closed nature of tegra for developers on xda to bring future versions to this device?
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most of the development for the tegra chipset is within the kernel and provided that the one x+ receives similar treatement to the original one x which it should given that the hardware is almost identical, developers should be able to easliy update drivers as well as creating custom configs and tweaks for the tegra gpu.
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not all is the same in the onex+ the tegra 3 cpu is ap37 and in the normal one x it's ap33 i think ...not 100% indentical but the most can be done by devs if the sources are also out for the right kernel