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To get to the point, people DON'T UPDATE YOUR VIBRANTS and T-MOBILE HANDLES THE ISSUE HORRIBLY! Obviously this is not a universal problem, but if you do happen to be one of the lucky ones that bricks their phone with the update there is no saving it (at least with the help of T-mobile).
I just got off of the phone with tech support and they were less than helpful. After the regular punching in numbers, talking to two different people, and trying to re-boots that everyone with half a brain have tried, they informed me that they would replace the phone but I had to PAY for shipping. While I realize this is a normal policy when it comes to random malfunctions, which may or may not have been the users fault, this is absolutely ridiculous when the problem is 100% their fault. Seriously, T-mobile ships a top of the line phone that has some major flaws and inactivated software (media hub), then breaks the phone with it's official update, and somehow this is MY responsibility to pay to get fixed? The rep even asked if I at this point wanted to add insurance so next time I wouldn't have to pay for shipping and if I wanted to pay extra for expedited shipping! They were trying to make an add-on sale while fixing an issue THEY caused!
That's not even the end of it, because I was so irritated they sent me to a "loyalty specialist" (who sounded like a used car salesman). He rambled on about how he would waive the shipping fee (he made it sound like he just saved my first born child). I told him I appreciated that but it didn't fix the fact that T-Mobile was not handling the issue well. When a large number of phones break from an issue originating from the provider they should either 1) have re-furbished phones (or even set aside new phones if necessary) to replace these broken phones as they come up or 2) offer free over night shipping of the replacement phone. He told me that these options were too expensive for T-Mobile, and that if I like I could sign up for either of their two insurance plans, as they would allow me to do an in-store replacement (he later noted that one of them was only available within the first 14 days of owning the phone...). I couldn't believe they were trying to another add-on sale! The best part being, I later called around to all my local T-Mobile owned stores and none of them have the Vibrant available for in-store replacement (and never have).
So the Cliff-Notes of my rant:
1) DON'T UPDATE YOUR VIBRANT
2) If you did brick your phone, make sure to complain and they should refund the ridiculous shipping charge
3) If you don't own a Vibrant and are thinking about it consider the following (Don't let it stop you, just consider it):
- Still on 2.1, when Nexus One has been on 2.2 for months (and the Galaxy S 2.2 official ROM has been leaked so it does exist in some form.) => Meaning updates are super scarce and extremely late.
- T-Mobile is selling a good phone with many flaws, and their first attempt to fix it bricked many phones (do a google search I am not the only one).
- While it may be better than other companies, T-Mobiles customer service is FAR from flawless
P.S. My phone was completely stock (so please don't mention how I did this with a lag fix, etc.). I waited at least 15 mins before I pulled the battery, before which I had noted the T-Mobile sound starting without the animation (seems like a timing issue or something). And finally, I realize this is a duplicate post to many others but I want people to find this info (not be at the bottom of a really long thread) to get the word out how T-Mobile deals with their errors.
I hate when people mess with their phones then get angry at a company for "breaking" their phone. Im running stock rom with root and also got bricked, but, I manned up and knew I was in the wrong and accepted what happened. I didn't put the blame on TMo, because completely untouched vibrants that I was aware of had no issues with this OTA. If you added functionality to it after the fact that it wasn't originally on there before when you initially purchased it; then its YOUR fault that it bricked, NOT T-mobiles. Take some responsibility and stop crying.
Had the same problem but this is a pretty fix using Odin.
If you install an update from an OTA T-Mobile should be held responsible
I don't know about you guys but when you have been a customer for 10+ years, T-Mobile will pretty much suck your balls.
Either way, if you guys rooted it, then that takes the fault from T-Mobile to you. You changed the phone. The update was designed for a pristine un-edited Samsung Vibrant, if you changed anything in the system by rooting or flashing it is your fault for changing the equation. T-Mobile is NOT at fault for your actions.
Yeah why warranty the phone when you can just ODIN and fix it yourself? Do a xda search. If you're gonna use xda to complain at least use it to solve your own problems as well. Unless your phone is hardware locked it is 100 % fixable.
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starkiller86 said:
I hate when people mess with their phones then get angry at a company for "breaking" their phone. Im running stock rom with root and also got bricked, but, I manned up and knew I was in the wrong and accepted what happened. I didn't put the blame on TMo, because completely untouched vibrants that I was aware of had no issues with this OTA. If you added functionality to it after the fact that it wasn't originally on there before when you initially purchased it; then its YOUR fault that it bricked, NOT T-mobiles. Take some responsibility and stop crying.
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P.S. My phone was completely stock (so please don't mention how I did this with a lag fix, etc.). I waited at least 15 mins before I pulled the battery, before which I had noted the T-Mobile sound starting without the animation (seems like a timing issue or something). And finally, I realize this is a duplicate post to many others but I want people to find this info (not be at the bottom of a really long thread) to get the word out how T-Mobile deals with their errors
Did you not read that part?
I bricked two stock Vibrants with the update. The second one failed during Mini-Kies update and was hardware locked.
It is a known issue according to the Tech guy that I spoke to while getting my replacement.
First phone wouldn't power on after failure, second phone was hardware locked so un-fixable.
No, no.
This happened to me, I had a rooted phone I had uninstalled the inflight internet, etc on it and hadn't overclocked or anything like that. Phone kills itself. I went to the tmo store and they only make you pay for shipping if you take the overnight option.
PROTIP - DON'T ASK FOR EXTRA SPEEDY SHIPPING AND THEY'LL PAY FOR IT.
so i guess we are just SOL for the data on the phone? I just lost an entire vacation of pictures. I had not had a chance to root this phone either. this is ****ing awesome.
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so i guess we are just SOL for the data on the phone? I just lost an entire vacation of pictures. I had not had a chance to root this phone either. this is ****ing awesome.
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I guess this is just an example of "store your pictures on the external SD card"
Then if you brick it you can still get your pictures back ....
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I guess this is just an example of "store your pictures on the external SD card"
Then if you brick it you can still get your pictures back ....
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Word. That's one of the first things I did when I got the phone and was playing with the features. Switched it from phone storage to memory card.
Sorry to hear you lost photos.
Protip: Pay the damn overnight shipping fee...it'll be deducted from your bill (flex pay) which makes it free: )
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If I am T mobile every time some person has a problem and I offered free shipping, the Every moron would be shipping the device back for Any problem. Way way costly, so that is not going to happen. If you Really believe the phone is factory defective then, pay the shipping and move on. If you messed with it at all then the burden to resolve is yours and be honest about that. Remember the reason people are in here is to customize the phone and improve it. Like the XDA mantra sez.......... It is not just the result... but the journey....
Like one of the other posts stated:
If you rooted it, then that takes the fault from T-Mobile to you. You changed the phone. The update was designed for a pristine un-edited Samsung Vibrant, if you changed anything in the system by rooting or flashing it is your fault for changing the equation. T-Mobile is NOT at fault for your actions.
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First phone wouldn't power on after failure, second phone was hardware locked so un-fixable.
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There is a hardware lock fix now, you really should flash that before you do anything else. Yeah, you run the risk of bricking with the hardware unlock, but it's probably a safer bet than flashing away.
dechire said:
so i guess we are just SOL for the data on the phone? I just lost an entire vacation of pictures. I had not had a chance to root this phone either. this is ****ing awesome.
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If you Odin it with the JI6 update, you might still be able to get a working system out of it. Worth a shot to see if you can get it without having to flash to stock first (which will wipe).
With all the time you spent with tech support, you could have found the thread that delineates how to fix your phone and update through odin. Its very easy and, frankly why be on a developers forum when you are not willing to tinker around a bit.
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dechire said:
so i guess we are just SOL for the data on the phone? I just lost an entire vacation of pictures. I had not had a chance to root this phone either. this is ****ing awesome.
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As long as the phone still powers on you can still use ADB Pull and save the data from the /sdcard folder. This update isn't a totally bricking the phone (at least it didn't mine) just making the display and inputs not work. To quote Billy Crystal: "He's only MOSTLY dead"
Odin was really simple to reflash the stock ROM and then I was able to do a nandroid restore from there.
The T-Mobile OTA update left my phone only booting to the vibrant screen, but it was a pretty simple fix with Odin. The hardest part was getting the proper drivers installed in windows!
Mini kies wouldnt even let me update,so I rooted and flashed bionix 1.8,works great.**** tmo.
Fyi to the people with hardware lock. I did the update on my gf's phone which was hardware locked and it failed. The phone would only boot to the vibrant screen. The good news is the ota update unlocks the hardware because her phone is able to get into recovery and download mode even thought the update failed. The point is don't worry if ota fail on you because you can just use odin to fix it since it unlocks the download mode.
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Fyi to the people with hardware lock. I did the update on my gf's phone which was hardware locked and it failed. The phone would only boot to the vibrant screen. The good news is the ota update unlocks the hardware because her phone is able to get into recovery and download mode even thought the update failed. The point is don't worry if ota fail on you because you can just use odin to fix it since it unlocks the download mode.
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If the update even gets that far...
Hello,
Very short:
I have a weird problem that basically boils down to "Can a repair company known that at one stage my handset had custom firmware on it?
More detail:
The reason is that because of a hardware fault (miroc USB things its always plugged in) I sent my phone to get repaired within the 3 month guarantee period.
The company has since requested 85 Euro to fix it because they say that I voided my warranty by installing customer firmware on the handset.
But, before I sent them the phone I factory reset everything back to the way it was when I bought it.
How could they know that I used custom firmware?
How the hell in the first place could installing customer firmware and safely uninstalling custom firmware void a warranty.
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So while on holiday my handset stopped working correctly and started to think that it was always plugged into a power outlet. This occurred mid week into a holiday so I doubted OS problems.
Just to be sure, when I got back home I installed a handful of new and old OS’s and kernels to see if the problem would go away.
The issue did not go away, so I flashed back to my first backup and reinstalled a secure kernel. The phone was back to stock and the yellow triangle was gone.
Gave the phone to my T-mobile store and they sent it to the repair company to be fixed
The phone returned a week later stating that the issue was fixed and the latest firmware was installed on the handset. I turned the phone on and the exact same problem was still there.
Returned to the store, informed them, they sent it back to the repair company.
Another 2 weeks later and I get a letter stating that I need to pay 85 euro to fix the phone, no explanation
Go to the store, they look it up and state that since I used customer firmware I void the warranty and have to pay even though the issue is HW related and not SW.
So, can the company know that I used customer ROMs and do this?
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Hello,
So, can the company know that I used customer ROMs and do this?
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Yes it Voids Warranty That's the way it is ...
Dude SEARCH...
Anyways,
Yes they know as your Download rom Number increases every time.
Simple Easy to use Solution
I hope you must have read somewhere about USB Jig .. Use that
It Clears the Costom Rom numbers and Then u can safely give it to repair
Yep. You didn't mention the bit where you use a jig to reset the flash counter in your blurb. So that's a dead giveaway.
Like it or not, it's well known that running non-stock firmware on your phone voids your warranty, and frankly, anyone who expects warranty service after they've run non-stock firmware is kidding themselves.
Obviously if you reflash stock firmware, do a factory reset/get rid of any apps that might hint you've rooted the phone & use a jig to reset the flash counter there's a fair chance you'll get warranty service.
But it's never a dead-set 10000% rolled gold certainty & you certainly shouldn't have an expectation of same.
Thanks for the replies.
I did try a few searche, but I must have had a bad string. It's not like looking up a model number.
The jig thing I totally forgot about. I remember reading it and it slipped my mind lol. All that effort to get it back to stock and I forgot the jig lol.
Thanks for the replies, enjoy your day!
I just put mine back to stock and they repaired it no questions asked. And I didn't use a jig.
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I think all companies are different. Some will look for anyway possible to make a money.
I understand that you void your warranty when you install custom OS, but I still think it's dirty tactics. I bought it, I own it, I will do what I want with it. If the fault is a physical defect, I expect it repaired regardless of what happened to the software.
"Oh I see you changed the stereo in your car. Sorry the defect within the motor is now not under warranty."
That's a not unreasonable argument, but at the end of the day that's the warranty. They don't exactly go all out to hide that part of the warranty, it's clearly stated. At the end of the day, no amount of "wishing upon a star" will change it. If you had the financial means, you might be able to take it further, but it's a case of diminishing returns. If you did take it further and lost, you'd be buggered financially. Hardly worth it for the sake of €85.
And frankly, if the warranty was unreasonable from a legal POV, I'm sure someone/a consumer organisation somewhere would have had a crack at Samsung/other smartphone manufacturers by now.
I personally don't have a problem with it. If I do something with something I own where it's clearly stated doing same voids the warranty, that's my tough luck. Obviously I'll take all the proper steps to try and get warranty service (stock firmware, factory reset, jig), but I wouldn't be overly devastated/surprised if they knocked it back. I did a few weeks of research on here before I even bought my phone & knew what I was potentially getting myself into on the warranty front.
mathewr said:
I think all companies are different. Some will look for anyway possible to make a money.
I understand that you void your warranty when you install custom OS, but I still think it's dirty tactics. I bought it, I own it, I will do what I want with it. If the fault is a physical defect, I expect it repaired regardless of what happened to the software.
"Oh I see you changed the stereo in your car. Sorry the defect within the motor is now not under warranty."
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That's a not unreasonable argument, but at the end of the day that's the warranty. They don't exactly go all out to hide that part of the warranty, it's clearly stated. At the end of the day, no amount of "wishing upon a star" will change it. If you had the financial means, you might be able to take it further, but it's a case of diminishing returns. If you did take it further and lost, you'd be buggered financially. Hardly worth it for the sake of €85.
And frankly, if the warranty was unreasonable from a legal POV, I'm sure someone/a consumer organisation somewhere would have had a crack at Samsung/other smartphone manufacturers by now.
I personally don't have a problem with it. If I do something with something I own where it's clearly stated doing same voids the warranty, that's my tough luck. Obviously I'll take all the proper steps to try and get warranty service (stock firmware, factory reset, jig), but I wouldn't be overly devastated/surprised if they knocked it back. I did a few weeks of research on here before I even bought my phone & knew what I was potentially getting myself into on the warranty front.
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Yea, I understand. Please don't miss construed the tone. I'm not angry or *****ing, I just find it completely unreasonable and the line in the sand seems to keep moving.
I add it to the same category as those online companies changing there T&C's so that you cannot sue them if you agree and you cant take another step until you do agree. I add this to the same category as Apple/Sony suing and criminally charging people who rooted their products. Apple and Sony sold those products and what the buyer chooses to do is their business.
Let's stop pretending we are the owners of our products, we are just renting.
Wish i should find a clip, but I am reminded of this family guy ep:
Peter Griffin: Where's my VCR?
Redneck Kid 1: Dang it Buck. It's my turn to use the sex box.
Redneck Kid 2: It's my sex box, and her name is Sony.
Haha ;-) Yep it is like that (Saw that episode again on pay TV a couple of weeks ago).
mathewr said:
Wish i should find a clip, but I am reminded of this family guy ep:
Peter Griffin: Where's my VCR?
Redneck Kid 1: Dang it Buck. It's my turn to use the sex box.
Redneck Kid 2: It's my sex box, and her name is Sony.
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I sent my Galaxy Note into Samsung to get the screen repaired.
When I sent it off, I realized that I forgot to reset the flash counter.
I was scared ****less.
Anyway, they repaired it and it is about to be sent back to me.
I just thought I would let everyone know that there is nothing to worry about.
sealcouch said:
I sent my Galaxy Note into Samsung to get the screen repaired.
When I sent it off, I realized that I forgot to reset the flash counter.
I was scared ****less.
Anyway, they repaired it and it is about to be sent back to me.
I just thought I would let everyone know that there is nothing to worry about.
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I think you just got lucky bud and I would not encourage anyone else to do the same thing. Just because they agreed to fix your phone doesn't mean that everyone else will be as fortunate. Samsung and your phone carrier clearly stated that if you do flash a non OEM ROM you will be voiding your warranty.
Also, lets wait till you get your phone back before you consider this a success.
deeken said:
I think you just got lucky bud and I would not encourage anyone else to do the same thing. Just because they agreed to fix your phone doesn't mean that everyone else will be as fortunate. Samsung and your phone carrier clearly stated that if you do flash a non OEM ROM you will be voiding your warranty.
Also, lets wait till you get your phone back before you consider this a success.
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Yeah. I wouldn't recommend it. I feel like if I sent my phone in for some sort of software issue I would be out of luck.
I will update this thread when I actually get the phone back.
it might depend on the repair in question. A screen replacement is just hardware so they may not mind the software being a custom ROM. I sent in a GT 10.1 with AOKP installed to fix a screen issue. I'm sure they noticed the angry rainbow unicorn when they booted it up. They fixed it no problem though annoyingly, they actually WIPED my entire device, sdcard and everything back to stock. On the GT 10.1 boards, no one has had that happen except me.
I have to send my note in for a repair on my SD card slot, which keeps popping out the microsd. My phone has a custom rom and probably 3 on the flash counter. I was hoping they didn't care since it was a hardware issue. On a side note, it sucks that AT&T doesn't give out loaner phones while it's being fixed.
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it might depend on the repair in question. A screen replacement is just hardware so they may not mind the software being a custom ROM. I sent in a GT 10.1 with AOKP installed to fix a screen issue. I'm sure they noticed the angry rainbow unicorn when they booted it up. They fixed it no problem though annoyingly, they actually WIPED my entire device, sdcard and everything back to stock. On the GT 10.1 boards, no one has had that happen except me.
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Makes me wonder if they just gave you a different phone? Or you memorized the hardware numbers? I agree with you being a hardware issue, they are probably not going to care about the flash counter. If you sent them a boot looping device that had the flash counter up high, then i would suspect they might say something.
No real worries guys. I had to send my phone in to Sammy for a screen issue a couple days before braway released the counter reset. They repaired it with no issues, wiped the ROM and reset the counter for me lol. This was back in late March.
Edit- in my case, they gave me the same phone because the Bluetooth physical address was the same. They replaced the screen including the front glass, so I didn't get my screen protector back.
Im pretty sure the techs there get paid by the hour and Im also sure that they themselves(techs) flash custom software on their devices. If I worked in that dept, I would spend the extra time resetting your flash counters and reverting you to stock, only to make my day go by quicker... I wouldn't recommend betting the farm on that. IMHO
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I have to send my note in for a repair on my SD card slot, which keeps popping out the microsd. My phone has a custom rom and probably 3 on the flash counter. I was hoping they didn't care since it was a hardware issue. On a side note, it sucks that AT&T doesn't give out loaner phones while it's being fixed.
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It depends on the store. I threw a fit, called customer service and they have me a credit for ****tiest prepaid phone they have. Least its mine now as a total emergency backup. I was not gonna be out of a phone for days.
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erick161 said:
It depends on the store. I threw a fit, called customer service and they have me a credit for ****tiest prepaid phone they have. Least its mine now as a total emergency backup. I was not gonna be out of a phone for days.
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I sent it off Monday and I already have the tracking number for the return shipping. In any case, I am using my old iPhone 3g until I get my phone back. It's always good to have a spare.
So people wouldn't recommend it, but who here has actually been denied service with an upped counter?
Traditionally, going all the way back to my Nexus One, the phone manufacturers don't care about root/s-off/flash counter if it's a clear hardware issue. If your button stops working or your screen doesn't respond anymore or your phone doesn't charge, they generally fix it.
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I sent it off Monday and I already have the tracking number for the return shipping. In any case, I am using my old iPhone 3g until I get my phone back. It's always good to have a spare.
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Of course its best to have a backup, but at the time I didn't. I didn't expect a loaner, but when the CSR on the phone said I'd get one...then the store says no...well, we have problems.
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Hey guys/gals,
Just thought I would share this with everyone. Best Buy has a new policy with their warranty for phones (at least the ones by me do).
You no longer have to ship your phone in for service. All you do is go to the store, tell them your problem, they ship a new phone (the last couple I had replaced arrived in less than 36 hours), and you bring your phone in when the new/re-manufactured one arrives.
This is great if you have a problem where your current phone still works. You don't have to dig out an old phone, or rent a POS loaner phone from BBY, but you can still do all of those things if your phone is unusable.
Like I said just though I would share this info. I think BBY keeps making their protection policies better and better.
Hope this has helped someone!
I will put this to the test this weekend!!! Good find!!!
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Hey guys/gals,
Just thought I would share this with everyone. Best Buy has a new policy with their warranty for phones (at least the ones by me do).
You no longer have to ship your phone in for service. All you do is go to the store, tell them your problem, they ship a new phone (the last couple I had replaced arrived in less than 36 hours), and you bring your phone in when the new/re-manufactured one arrives.
This is great if you have a problem where your current phone still works. You don't have to dig out an old phone, or rent a POS loaner phone from BBY, but you can still do all of those things if your phone is unusable.
Like I said just though I would share this info. I think BBY keeps making their protection policies better and better.
Hope this has helped someone!
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This is what they did for me when I needed a replacement about six months ago.
They did not offer it to me until I spoke with the manager because i didn't want to be without a phone for a few days or use one of their loaner phones.
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about time they changed it, I canx my 3x black ties just because of this
Best buy insurance, ftw. I will never buy another phone anywhere else. Im on my 3rd lte and i got the lte free because they had no more 3d's. They ask basic questions about what happened and then ship it out. I got my last replacement in 2 days. Took it in on a Monday at 7pm and got my replacement on Wednesday at 7pm.
Awesome. I love black tie (bb). I had to replace due to malfunctions and no questions or hassles in fact the reason I signed up for black tie was the guy indicated I would never have to send anything in and that I would get a new replacement directly from the store which they did. I even had the guy write and confirm that on my sales receipt because I didn't believe him.
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Thank you all for the info. I won't be going to Sprint stores anymore. BB sounds like the way to go now. Back when I worked there it definitely wasn't but a lot has changed since then. Good to know.
My EVO has developed a problem where I'm getting all sorts of crazy noise on the screen. Definitely a hardware problem as it even has problems with the HTC logo on boot. I'm currently S-OFF with the latest CM release installed. Do I need to unroot and restore back to Sense before I take the phone into Best Buy, or do they not care?
Thanks for the help and all the useful info!!
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My EVO has developed a problem where I'm getting all sorts of crazy noise on the screen. Definitely a hardware problem as it even has problems with the HTC logo on boot. I'm currently S-OFF with the latest CM release installed. Do I need to unroot and restore back to Sense before I take the phone into Best Buy, or do they not care?
Thanks for the help and all the useful info!!
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I would at least flash a stock rom and splash screen before taking it in. Other than that, my local store doesn't care about root.
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I would at least flash a stock rom and splash screen before taking it in. Other than that, my local store doesn't care about root.
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When i took my last one in i had viper on it but i was taking it in because the screen was crushed. It was still usable thougg and he was sittin there going through the different venom options just amazed. Then i told him i just wanted to erase the data and internal storage and he was amazed by twrp too lmao. He didn't give half a sht.
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When i took my last one in i had viper on it but i was taking it in because the screen was crushed. It was still usable thougg and he was sittin there going through the different venom options just amazed. Then i told him i just wanted to erase the data and internal storage and he was amazed by twrp too lmao. He didn't give half a sht.
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Yeah, my store is the same way, but I doubt every store is the same. To be safe I would backup, flash a stock rom, bring it in and show them the problem, then recover until your "new" phone gets in and the re-flash a stock rom when you bring it back.
I doubt they'd care, but this should cover your a$$ either way.
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Yeah, my store is the same way, but I doubt every store is the same. To be safe I would backup, flash a stock rom, bring it in and show them the problem, then recover until your "new" phone gets in and the re-flash a stock rom when you bring it back.
I doubt they'd care, but this should cover your a$$ either way.
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Best buy covers software though right? So why would it matter? There's nothing saying they don't cover rooted devices. I even asked the manager when i got my 3d and he said if i bricked it I'm covered. So why flash back to stock? Unless youre having issues that could be rom/kernel related of course.. then youll obviously want to flash to something else to make sure its not the rom and then go back to stock to show them its happeneing on there also.
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Best buy covers software though right? So why would it matter? There's nothing saying they don't cover rooted devices. I even asked the manager when i got my 3d and he said if i bricked it I'm covered. So why flash back to stock? Unless youre having issues that could be rom/kernel related of course.. then youll obviously want to flash to something else to make sure its not the rom and then go back to stock to show them its happeneing on there also.
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Because it is better to be safe than sorry. If you read the terms and conditions, they don't list software as covered. They could deny coverage if they wanted to. Every store is not the same, but if you hand them a phone that is obviously not stock, there is more of a chance of them questioning it. I don't think they would, but it takes me 2 minutes to flash back to stock, so I'd rather avoid a potential headache. I'm getting a "new" phone anyway, so what do I care if I leave cm10 on my old one. Plus, it's a good way to wipe your phone.
Personally, if I were a store employee and someone brought me a "bricked" phone that I could prove was rooted, I wouldn't cover them. If you bricked your phone, that's your fault. Best Buy or any other business shouldn't subsidize your hobby, because you didn't know what you were doing. That makes the development community look bad. Now if it were a problem that was obviously not caused by root, I would look the other way.
I'm currently in this situation where my screen is cracked. I too was wondering if I needed to unroot before I had them ship the phone out for repair. What stock ROM does everyone suggest?
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I'm using Sharkie's right now as my daily. It flashes with the new TWRP. One of the other ones that I tried wouldn't flash.
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FattySparks said:
Because it is better to be safe than sorry. If you read the terms and conditions, they don't list software as covered. They could deny coverage if they wanted to. Every store is not the same, but if you hand them a phone that is obviously not stock, there is more of a chance of them questioning it. I don't think they would, but it takes me 2 minutes to flash back to stock, so I'd rather avoid a potential headache. I'm getting a "new" phone anyway, so what do I care if I leave cm10 on my old one. Plus, it's a good way to wipe your phone.
Personally, if I were a store employee and someone brought me a "bricked" phone that I could prove was rooted, I wouldn't cover them. If you bricked your phone, that's your fault. Best Buy or any other business shouldn't subsidize your hobby, because you didn't know what you were doing. That makes the development community look bad. Now if it were a problem that was obviously not caused by root, I would look the other way.
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I see where you are coming from but A. You wouldn't have the power to set a company wide policy B. You would have to account for all the phones sold with the protection plan being quoted "for any reason at all" C. As low hourly wage employee you wouldn't care
Nice to know :thumbup:
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I see where you are coming from but A. You wouldn't have the power to set a company wide policy B. You would have to account for all the phones sold with the protection plan being quoted "for any reason at all" C. As low hourly wage employee you wouldn't care
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Pretty sure he was posting from the perspective of someone who *could* set company wide policy FWIW.
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This was originally a post about how i stumbled on a problem Chainfire 3D causes which ends up soft bricking your phone. I got a replacement phone from verizon through my warranty and it came with MDK build on it. Apparently its not a good thing to figure out loopholes in the system and share them so ive changed this post to warn people about installing the drivers from the Chainfire 3D app.
Doing a factory reset doesnt wipe root. The root binaries are in system and a FDR only hits data partitions. People doing this is also why insurance deductibles are going up and caps put on how many claims you can file.
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Here goes more people frauding the system, people like you that make insurance claimed raise prices, just deal with what you have. We all want to be flashing yes but is this is what we are ultimately going to be doing for now on on new flagship devices? It's one of the reasons they actually lock bootloaders because if it were unlocked there will be even more cries about bricks and people attempting stuff without researching, we can all argue back and forth about all that but seriously guys? Breaking your phone on purpose, obsurd.
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Doing a factory reset doesnt wipe root. The root binaries are in system and a FDR only hits data partitions. People doing this is also why insurance deductibles are going up and caps put on how many claims you can file.
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Even if root isnt wiped during a factory reset they wouldnt see that. I would assume that once they try to boot the phone and it doesnt work theyll just use whatever software they use to set it back to stock and get it ready to send out to some other person. Im not saying this is the best idea. I just happened to stumble upon it and once i had an excuse to get a replacement i went for it. Obviously i very well could have used the stock tar file floating around and fixed it but i hate TouchWiz and the stupid features that came with the phone. I honestly doubt this is why insurance deductibles are going up considering i didnt use my insurance to get my phone replaced. it fell under the manufacturers warranty. if i wanted insurance to replace the phone i could have just dropped it "on accident".
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Even if root isnt wiped during a factory reset they wouldnt see that. I would assume that once they try to boot the phone and it doesnt work theyll just use whatever software they use to set it back to stock and get it ready to send out to some other person. Im not saying this is the best idea. I just happened to stumble upon it and once i had an excuse to get a replacement i went for it. Obviously i very well could have used the stock tar file floating around and fixed it but i hate TouchWiz and the stupid features that came with the phone. I honestly doubt this is why insurance deductibles are going up considering i didnt use my insurance to get my phone replaced. it fell under the manufacturers warranty. if i wanted insurance to replace the phone i could have just dropped it "on accident".
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You hate touchwiz but you bought a touch wiz based phone. Lol smh.
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You hate touchwiz but you bought a touch wiz based phone. Lol smh.
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Didnt hate it until after i had used it. I had planned on putting a custom rom on the phone as soon as i had gotten it. Ive seen how much faster the GS4 performs when its running a pure android rom. My phone is at least twice as fast now that ive switched from the stock rom to an AOSP based rom. i know it doesnt really mean anything but i also scored almost 2000 points higher on my Antutu benchmark test.
I wish there was an "unlike" or "thumbs down button" Don't break your phone on purpose people...
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If Verizon would just unlock everything people wouldn't have to accidentally break their phones. I personally bought the phone outright to keep my unlimited data I feel that since I did that I should be able to do what ever I want to MY PHONE! ! ! Plus I pay every month for my insurance and in doing so the insurance company takes the risk that something might happen to my phone to where they have to replace it and if nothing happens to my phone well that make out like bandits because I'm still paying each month for their insurance that I don't use.
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"Oderint Dum Metuant"
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I wish there was an "unlike" or "thumbs down button" Don't break your phone on purpose people...
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Agreed
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If Verizon would just unlock everything people wouldn't have to accidentally break their phones. I personally bought the phone outright to keep my unlimited data I feel that since I did that I should be able to do what ever I want to MY PHONE! ! ! Plus I pay every month for my insurance and in doing so the insurance company takes the risk that something might happen to my phone to where they have to replace it and if nothing happens to my phone well that make out like bandits because I'm still paying each month for their insurance that I don't use.
"Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum"
"Oderint Dum Metuant"
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I agree with you there. What i do with my phone is my business exspecially since i payed for the phone outright instead of getting it through an upgrade for free and i also pay for insurance. I didnt figure out how to break my phone then break it. i just figured out one thing on accident and decided not to fix it on my own (which i could have done very easily). The phone also had several issues right out of the box that would never seem to happen when id go into verizon. All the negative feedback to my post has forced me to change it to a warning about chainfire 3D. but that wont stop someone from figuring out they can get their phone replaced this way, but im also not forcing anyone to do this, its your phone do what you want with it.
Wtf is this thread all about? Warranty fraud isn't cool.
Lets not start a debate judging others morality/immorality or ethical/unethical decisions. This is so subjective, we might as well start arguing about whether there is a god or start debating about when the age of viability is for a fetus. Just keep your opinion to yourself, I don't care if you want to screw the system or not, theres not right or wrong in the grey area. Just dont be annoying about it like the people who knock on my door trying to convince me to join their religion, preaching they carry "the message of god". Like I tell them, then sing a prayer about it instead of annoying me, god damnit. This should be locked, the entire thread is a logical fallacy.
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Agree, this thread should be locked.
Users who think XDA is a site to perpetuate fraud are mistaken...To ask for help recovering from a bricked device is fine, you all should be fully aware of the chances you take when you came here, using fraudulent recovery maneuvers is not how we do things...be adult about your mistakes, claim accountability on your own and pay up.
And, for those who are offended about this, thanks, but instead of replying, next time just report the thread and a moderator will handle from there. Thanks
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