i have an unlimited prepay t mobile data plan i use to mess with various gsm htc phones. i picked meself up a t mobile 3g flyer,fired it up,and while it looks like 3g and 4g are working,little arrows and all,data is not really working.
ive tried adding a different APN,and flashed leedroids HC with phone enabled rom in efforts to get it working.
im assuming that t mobile somehow knows i have a phone data plan,and as such is not letting the data work correctly.
i can make phone calls and send sms just fine. but no data.
question is simply,anyone know of a way to make this work??
thanks for any info
Did you get it from T-Mobile or is it an unlocked international unit? If you got it from T-Mobile, you may have to get the MSL to unlock the system first.
I do the exact same thing with an international unit and a T-mobile prepaid SIM card and my data work great. I'm on the $3/day of usage plan, as I normally have either wifi access or my phone has a 4g connection and I can tether the 2 via wifi.
thanks for the reply. any idea how to get the flyer into diag mode? i found !!3424! on the calculator works for the view,but its not working on the flyer
it is a t mobile branded device,so if i can figure out how to get into diag ill give this a shot
update: i still cant figure out a way to get to the diagnostic menu to find the msl and unlock. i believe the t mo flyer is not subsidy locked,as when i put my vzw lte sim into it,it does not prompt me to enter an unlock code.
i dont know if the difference here is the fact that youve got an unbranded international unit,or the fact that youre on the $3/day prepay. i called t mo and played dumb,and eventually they confirmed that i would need an internet "broadband" plan,wich would make the sim card not work in phones,and be more expensive
hoping maybe the $3 prepay plan maybe is what is letting it work,i ordered another sim that i plan to activate with the same
failing that,i guess i need to either sell this one and find a international unit,or find a way to make the t mobile unit "look" like the international one to t mobile.
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hoping maybe the $3 prepay plan maybe is what is letting it work,i ordered another sim that i plan to activate with the same
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got my sim,set up the $3 prepay,still no go. is there a way to make the t mobile branded device look like an international unlocked version?
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For anyone using this phone on AT&T, can you tell me how AT&T recognizes the phone? Are you required to get the expensive capped data plans (does AT&T recognize it as a smartphone) or can you use the cheap dumbphone data plan (like I do with Bell Galaxy S and Milestone in my sig)
Answer would be appreciated
NOBODY using this phone on AT&T?
Honestly I'd like to know as well, as I am interested in getting one but currently it seems there's no dev scene for it. Which is disappointing since it can be bought right from Dell and works on ATT bands and Tmobile. (that is what's kept me from getting one.)
I would guess however, that it will work fine as AT&T doesn't have this phone on contract and therefore has no need for the IMEI numbers. But as always, I guess we won't know till someone takes the chance.
I have one on ATT, works just fine. I have the unlimited smartphone plan, but I'm sure you could use it with the dumbphone plans, since the IMEI isn't recognized with ATT
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I have one on ATT, works just fine. I have the unlimited smartphone plan, but I'm sure you could use it with the dumbphone plans, since the IMEI isn't recognized with ATT
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how does it show up in your account online? Any picture or name?
I'm still a bit wary beacuse I know the Dell Streak was recognized by AT&T and required the pricey plans so I want to know if that will happen with the Venue
Like the previous poster said, disappointed there's not more dev, the Venue has nice, proven hardware and great frequencies to utilize.
I would love to know too. Since I heard rumors that Dell gave ATT all their imei numbers.
I need a smartphone without a data plan.
I have had the Venue on ATT for about a week, i just used the SIM that came out of my Tilt 2. My online ATT acct doesnt show a pic or say what phone i have. Its the same it has been when i used my HD2 and HD7. But i have a smartphone plan so im not sure this is any help.
I just got one of these and got the unlock code for it. When I put in my AT&T SIM and set up the APN I only show EDGE data network and not 3G. Further the bands on the box show the AT&T 3G bands!?!?! I have an unlimitted Smartphone data plan.
Those of you who say "It works fine" Do you not have data? If you do are you getting 3G?!? If so are you in a major market?
Finally, do you have a newer AT&T 3G sim card or maybe an older one from cingular or something?
Thanks!
I think you have the wrong phone.
This phone comes only in the unlocked version. No unlock code needed.
i think they recognize phone through the sim card, what i did was find a crappy flip phone, put the sim card in there, sign up for hte $10 data family plan, and then switch back to my cappy....still havent been caught
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Got the Venue. 2 weeks later (today) received email from ATT, they are adding appropriate Smartphone Data Plan. A friend of mine at ATT says this could only happen if ATT gets serial number from Dell.
Hello everybody, recently AT&T released a new pay as you go plan which is 50$ a month for unlimited everything. Unfortunately the unlimited data does not work on smartphones which is disappointing.
I recently switched to this plan because 50$ a month for unlimited everything is a great deal, what I was wondering was if someone could find a way to allow data to work on this plan\phone.
When you try to use firefox or similar browser it just says the page cannot be displayed, on the facebook android app it gives you a message that tells you data was refused.
I would gladly donate 20$ to anyone who could figure this out, and give me the fix. it seems like something a developer would know how to fix so if anyone has any ideas shoot them at me. If one of them works they will get a nice 20$ donation Thanks.
It sounds like AT&T itself is blocking the data connection.
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Exactly, but it doesn't block the connection if my pay as you go sim card is in a non-smart phone. There must be something that tells at&t you have a smartphone, and maybe there's a way to stop that.
What a rip off, i pay 15 bucks a month for unlimited.data
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Cell service providers such as AT&T have the ability to know what phone you are using through your sim card.
so it'll be hard to find a way around it, but it's not impossible.
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It's because it's an x10a from at&t if so it's the IMEI that gave it away they have a log of all there numbers if you call an be real nice they will give you the unlock code for free (I did it and it was free any one can on at&t) Then flash a Stock rom and then wait a month or so an cancel that sim and go to another store or have your friend start up another sim. A wahoo
So Patricks_book you're saying all I have to do is unlock my phone and data will work on my smartphone even though the 50$ unlimited everything plan doesn't allow smartphones to have unlimited data?
I don't think unlocking the phone changes your phone's IMEI number, if that's what you are wondering.
I used to have a Nokia E72 that covered AT&T's 3G frequency bands but never sold by AT&T. I don't use that any more but when I did, it worked with their $15 unlimited data plan (for a post-paid plan) that can only be used for dumb phones. It seemed then that AT&T didn't recognize the E72's IMEI # as a smartphone.
I don't know if this works on GoPhone plans now.....
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So Patricks_book you're saying all I have to do is unlock my phone and data will work on my smartphone even though the 50$ unlimited everything plan doesn't allow smartphones to have unlimited data?
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NO But it's worth a try. Unlock it an update to like Wolfs 2.3.3 x10i and if nothing else you'll have a unlocked bad ares phone
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I don't think unlocking the phone changes your phone's IMEI number, if that's what you are wondering.
I used to have a Nokia E72 that covered AT&T's 3G frequency bands but never sold by AT&T. I don't use that any more but when I did, it worked with their $15 unlimited data plan (for a post-paid plan) that can only be used for dumb phones. It seemed then that AT&T didn't recognize the E72's IMEI # as a smartphone.
I don't know if this works on GoPhone plans now.....
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when you sign up though you sign up using a sim, not an imei. so your account is only linked to your sim card.
I have switched phones three times and all I did was pop my sim into a different phone.
I think though that it recognizes you are using 3g or hspa data and that is why it blocks it. Aren't those plans for gsm only?
Its about what APN you connect via. Have a look @ this. Settings > Wireless and networks > Mobile Networks > AT&T and you'll need to configure the apn ... I have no idea which one ... But well , thats all I can help .
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when you sign up though you sign up using a sim, not an imei. so your account is only linked to your sim card.
I have switched phones three times and all I did was pop my sim into a different phone.
I think though that it recognizes you are using 3g or hspa data and that is why it blocks it. Aren't those plans for gsm only?
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Yeah you're right your account is linked only to your SIM card otherwise you won't be able to swap phones. But at least on AT&T they seem to be able to recognize if a smartphone (sold by AT&T) is being used.
A few years ago when AT&T only had a $30 unlimited data plan for smartphones or $15 ulmimited for dumbphones, they started forcing subscribers who use the $15 plan for smartphones switch to correct data plans. Many AT&Ters discussed this issue then and the only conclusion drawn based on their experience was that it was through their IMEI #.
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Yeah you're right your account is linked only to your SIM card otherwise you won't be able to swap phones. But at least on AT&T they seem to be able to recognize if a smartphone (sold by AT&T) is being used.
A few years ago when AT&T only had a $30 unlimited data plan for smartphones or $15 ulmimited for dumbphones, they started forcing subscribers who use the $15 plan for smartphones switch to correct data plans. Many AT&Ters discussed this issue then and the only conclusion drawn based on their experience was that it was through their IMEI #.
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hmmm but if you never gave them your imei they would have no way of knowing...
I would say it has to do with either your apn, the bands you're using (and the fact that you're using 3g/hspa), or just they can recognize the pure volume of data you are using.
They have ALL the IMEIs for the phone from the manufactures and from the ones that are or where on their network and when you use your phone it comes up in their system like if you call in to support and they ask for it there just checking to see if it's the right one. So you can try an app like Privacy Blocker to change your IMEI I do not know if it will work but it is an option in the app ( not on the phone just on out going signals for apps ?) An if it does work PLEASE post it in the forum.
Good luck to us all if it does .
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They have ALL the IMEIs for the phone from the manufactures and from the ones that are or where on their network and when you use your phone it comes up in their system like if you call in to support and they ask for it there just checking to see if it's the right one. So you can try an app like Privacy Blocker to change your IMEI I do not know if it will work but it is an option in the app ( not on the phone just on out going signals for apps ?) An if it does work PLEASE post it in the forum.
Good luck to us all if it does .
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That's not correct at all....
the imei does not pop up, I worked for a phone company before.
Unless you sign up with a phone and have given it to them, they do not have your imei...
If the phone was first purchased from AT&T then they have the IMEI. Or just like when an app has access to your account it can read your IMEI your sim card can read your IMEIs it's connected too your phone number contract/pay as you go. Anyone of them even Wally world (Walmart) who ever you get a sim card from can read your sim card/IMEI.
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So Patricks_book you're saying all I have to do is unlock my phone and data will work on my smartphone even though the 50$ unlimited everything plan doesn't allow smartphones to have unlimited data?
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Its a bullsh!t plan. I got this plan, got data to work just fine, but had alot of trouble with it. ie- Market apps, took FOREVER to download.. That was the first downfall. Yesterday morning, I noticed my phone was in Edge mode. I proceeded to reset it, change the Network options in the debug menu, and play with the APN. This morning.. Still Edge. My conclusion? They obviously shut off my 3G. Now, The problem I have with this, is that I havnt used over 100 mb of data yet, and it hasnt even been a week since I got this service. Stay away from this plan.. GARBAGE. Now, as much as I loathe paying an EXTRA 20 bucks a month, Im taking the dive and goin with TMobile. I need my 3g....
I just kind of skimmed over this post (new here) and this alone made me sign up cause I just order X10 recently.
I have this question though; if is not IMEI# that at&t block you with, then is it possible a reflashing could fix it? I have heard of people use different firmware versions; like my old phone, Ericsson K850i there was just plain K850 version (no 'i') that could get 3G I think.
But assume I install new Sony 2.3.3 Android on my X10, would be the key to get around at&t unnoticed ja?
I too have unlimite 50usd plan and tried to use on HTC Aria that was brand with at&t junk. That did not work But I have not try to root it (updated to 2.2 already ) so I not know if reflash would have fix it or not.
As the subject stated: I am planning to unlock my AT&T Galaxy Note to use it in Japan, but not sure if the Note will work there. I just want to be able to make calls and do light browsing at 3G speed (not 4G LTE)
Japan have 3G GSM network, so it should be, But want to confirm before I spent the $$$ unlocking my AT&T Note.
it has the proper frequencies for cellular use on 3g idont know about hspa+ so prbly dataspeeds around 2-5 mbps
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it has the proper frequencies for cellular use on 3g idont know about hspa+ so prbly dataspeeds around 2-5 mbps
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Thank you for the information!
What kind of prepaid SIM are you going to use in Japan? I couldn't find any SIM that has prepaid voice and data together. So I'm planning to use b-mobile 1GB data plan with fusion IP phone SMART. That way, I can send/receive phone call and use data.
Did you have any luck? I can't get the bmobile sim to work with this phone. Urgent help needed. I suspect it takes some special config or different radio but I don't know. The bmobile instructions alone don't work.
Look up APN for bmobile. Just my 2 cents.
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Look up APN for bmobile. Just my 2 cents.
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I had all the correct settings. I suspect the card did not work with Android 4.12. I have seen references online to rolling back to 4.11 for possibly unrelated or possibly related issues. They would not refund, so I had to do a charge-back on the card. Never trust a company who fails to stand behind a product when it completely fails to work. I ended up paying the higher price for AT&T which worked well except don't trust their wifi app - it tries to connect to partners who aren't partners, which disrupts the otherwise working mobile data connection.
Well, that really sucks, man. I guess your best shot would be to try and find another carrier that is GSM if the roll back to 4.1.1 doesnt work. Best of luck.
Okay so I found a nice new phone come into my hands from a craiglist deal, popped in sim card, everything worked great. Sometime over night my device had been blocked from network use. I understand AT&T now can blacklist a phones IMEI phone and block any network access onto AT&T's gsm network. My sim would no longer work in my older phone, so I called and got that fixed, but I now have a stupid nice phone that im using for a paper weight. Obviously the person who sold it to me either knew it was reported lost or stolen, or reported it after selling it to me, its whatever it happens right. I dont want to go on craigslist and rip someone else off, thats not fair and would make me a ****ty person.
So I still have the phone, I know ill never be able to change IMEIs even with samsung tools12.7, and I know ill never see AT&Ts network work on the phone. Now, I understand that t-mobile is also on the gsm network, and I know that t-mobile has the highest block/blacklist capability of all cellphone carriers, that will even block an IMEI just for a late payment. But does AT&T share the same IMEI block list as T-mobile? Would I be able to just root my phone, and unlock it for Tmobile use, get a tmobile sim card and go from there? Or since theyre both gsm is my IMEI gonna blocked from all gsm networks.
I just need a way to put this phone to use, I spend good money on it and would like it to work. Even if that means switching cell phone companies and starting up a new "go phone" like plan. If anyone with any helpful tips or any useful information could just throw me some of their time with a reply I would be so grateful.
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Okay so I found a nice new phone come into my hands from a craiglist deal, popped in sim card, everything worked great. Sometime over night my device had been blocked from network use. I understand AT&T now can blacklist a phones IMEI phone and block any network access onto AT&T's gsm network. My sim would no longer work in my older phone, so I called and got that fixed, but I now have a stupid nice phone that im using for a paper weight. Obviously the person who sold it to me either knew it was reported lost or stolen, or reported it after selling it to me, its whatever it happens right. I dont want to go on craigslist and rip someone else off, thats not fair and would make me a ****ty person.
So I still have the phone, I know ill never be able to change IMEIs even with samsung tools12.7, and I know ill never see AT&Ts network work on the phone. Now, I understand that t-mobile is also on the gsm network, and I know that t-mobile has the highest block/blacklist capability of all cellphone carriers, that will even block an IMEI just for a late payment. But does AT&T share the same IMEI block list as T-mobile? Would I be able to just root my phone, and unlock it for Tmobile use, get a tmobile sim card and go from there? Or since theyre both gsm is my IMEI gonna blocked from all gsm networks.
I just need a way to put this phone to use, I spend good money on it and would like it to work. Even if that means switching cell phone companies and starting up a new "go phone" like plan. If anyone with any helpful tips or any useful information could just throw me some of their time with a reply I would be so grateful.
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Report the buyer to ATT and they can unblock the phone if you can prove you bought it from someone.
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Okay so I found a nice new phone come into my hands from a craiglist deal, popped in sim card, everything worked great. Sometime over night my device had been blocked from network use. I understand AT&T now can blacklist a phones IMEI phone and block any network access onto AT&T's gsm network. My sim would no longer work in my older phone, so I called and got that fixed, but I now have a stupid nice phone that im using for a paper weight. Obviously the person who sold it to me either knew it was reported lost or stolen, or reported it after selling it to me, its whatever it happens right. I dont want to go on craigslist and rip someone else off, thats not fair and would make me a ****ty person.
So I still have the phone, I know ill never be able to change IMEIs even with samsung tools12.7, and I know ill never see AT&Ts network work on the phone. Now, I understand that t-mobile is also on the gsm network, and I know that t-mobile has the highest block/blacklist capability of all cellphone carriers, that will even block an IMEI just for a late payment. But does AT&T share the same IMEI block list as T-mobile? Would I be able to just root my phone, and unlock it for Tmobile use, get a tmobile sim card and go from there? Or since theyre both gsm is my IMEI gonna blocked from all gsm networks.
I just need a way to put this phone to use, I spend good money on it and would like it to work. Even if that means switching cell phone companies and starting up a new "go phone" like plan. If anyone with any helpful tips or any useful information could just throw me some of their time with a reply I would be so grateful.
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Sell it to me .. Hit.me with a pm if u
Interested
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I'd honestly like to keep it, can anyone verify if it will work with t mob
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I'd honestly like to keep it, can anyone verify if it will work with t mob
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It will operate on TMo, but except in a very few areas where TMo uses the same 3G bands as ATT, you will only get edge data speeds.
Edit: once it's unlocked it will operate on TMo.
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It will operate on TMo, but except in a very few areas where TMo uses the same 3G bands as ATT, you will only get edge data speeds.
Edit: once it's unlocked it will operate on TMo.
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OK so normal SMS, calling, general networking would still be the same? Just I would get edge data instead of the 4g or 3g?
please note the blacklist will soon be shared with all carriers
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please note the blacklist will soon be shared with all carriers
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Yup, T-Mobile and AT&T will be sharing their IMEI blacklists soon so it will only work on T-Mobile for a month before they start blocking it, too.
You can either use it as something other than a phone or sell it on eBay to someone who doesn't want t use it as a phone.
Or track the buyer and report it to ATT. They will remove it if you can provide proof.
I just feel sorry for the poor guy who had their phone stolen.
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I just feel sorry for the poor guy who had their phone stolen.
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If it was even stolen. I'm pretty sure they just sold it then reported it stolen so that they get cash and a free replacement from att.
I just got an unlocked galaxy note that I want to use without a data plan so I tried transplanting my AT&T flip phone sim to the note but I get a message saying "sim not allowed mm#3". So of course I can't make any calls other than emergency. Does AT&T restrict smart phones to use only sims that have data plans? Do I need to root and use cyanogen to get this to work? Does anyone if that will even work?
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U sure it's unlocked? That message usually means it isn't...
Use the free unlock available, I used it without issue on my note. You'll should be able to use ANY Sim with an unlocked phone, regardless of data or no data.
The Amazon seller advertises it as unlocked. That's all I can say for sure. Does the unlock you refer to require root? Would you happen to have a link to the unlock?
Thanks for the help.
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U sure it's unlocked? That message usually means it isn't...
Use the free unlock available, I used it without issue on my note. You'll should be able to use ANY Sim with an unlocked phone, regardless of data or no data.
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A little searching goes a long way sir. Googling "i717 Sim unlock xda" would have got you what you needed.
You don't need root, but you do need a custom recovery. Twrp is easily installed via Odin.
http://str8pt.blogspot.ca/2013/06/unlock-simfree-method-for-galaxy-note.html?m=1
Sure, you are right and normally I do search...everyone's run a stop sign at least once right?
Thanks for the help ice.
Hish
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A little searching goes a long way sir. Googling "i717 Sim unlock xda" would have got you what you needed.
You don't need root, but you do need a custom recovery. Twrp is easily installed via Odin.
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Yes, at&t won't let you use any smart phone without a data plan. They will just add it to your bill.
But this phone won't connect to the network without an updated sim card.
You don't need root access or network unlock to run an at&t sim, you just need a sim made for a smartphone.
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Yes, at&t won't let you use any smart phone without a data plan. They will just add it to your bill.
But this phone won't connect to the network without an updated sim card.
You don't need root access or network unlock to run an at&t sim, you just need a sim made for a smartphone.
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I'm fairly certain you are incorrect. Its your sim card and you can put it in whatever phone you choose.
With that being said I am in Canada and on Rogers, so I can't very well confirm this. Maybe someone else can weigh in?
If an unlocked phone uses another carrier sim you get a screen to enter unlock code.
He is using an at&t sim so its going to connect to the voice/sms network automatically in an at&t branded phone if the sim is compatible.
That old flipphone sim won't work in a smartphone. The OP either needs to upgrade the sim or call at&t and have the sim reprovisioned (if they can).
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And when the OP calls at&t they will tell him to use that phone he will have to buy a data plan.
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If an unlocked phone uses another carrier sim you get a screen to enter unlock code.
He is using an at&t sim so its going to connect to the voice/sms network automatically in an at&t branded phone if the sim is compatible.
That old flipphone sim won't work in a smartphone. The OP either needs to upgrade the sim or call at&t and have the sim reprovisioned (if they can).
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And when the OP calls at&t they will tell him to use that phone he will have to buy a data plan.
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Yes that's true, I'm not disagreeing with you here on the connectivity.
The later however is false. I know for a fact LTE capable smart phones are backwards compatible with "3g only Sims" aka his flipphone sim, so what you're saying is incorrect. I work with this kind of equipment on a daily basis at work.
The later is also false. All he needs to do is go to a corporate store and say he lost his old phone and sim with it, and needs a replacement. They'll provide a new one, and link it to his existing account and merely charge him a replacement fee.
I thought Canadians were polite . . . Amigo, you're just offering your opinion, but I just went through this with at&t for my sister-in-law. She had an old HTC flipphone and wanted my HTC smartphone with a great keyboard. We put her old sim in and got that error code. We went to an at&t corporate store, and they gave us a new sim and we left with a working phone. After a day of using it she got a text message saying a two gig data plan was required. When she didn't acknowledge that, they cut off the account.
The sim was free. Don't tell me I'm wrong when you don't really know what you're talking about.
I can sim swap between my work phone which is a flip phone and an iPhone 3GS both are on at&t without any issues so I'm not sure what you guys are having trouble with. I believe what the OP is asking for would require spoofing an IMEI of a flip phone aka dumb phone.
There should be some info on how to do that in the at&t Galaxy Tab forums.
Good luck
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You can use an old flip phone sim card in the Note. I have an older Cingular 3G Sim card (now at 8yrs old or maybe older) that I have been using in my last few smartphones. Including the Note. Worked perfectly fine. And because my phone was Canadian I was able to add the MediaNet unlimited data plan for only $10 a month. Been using it that way for years without an issue. I have even tested it in AT&T branded smartphones briefly and never had any issues.
Edit: Searching the web, that error may mean there is an outage in your area. If you physically look at the Sim Card what color, words, and pic is on the card? Sim could be worn out also. But in the end ATT will not let you use that plan with this phone for long before charging you.
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I thought Canadians were polite . . . Amigo, you're just offering your opinion, but I just went through this with at&t for my sister-in-law. She had an old HTC flipphone and wanted my HTC smartphone with a great keyboard. We put her old sim in and got that error code. We went to an at&t corporate store, and they gave us a new sim and we left with a working phone. After a day of using it she got a text message saying a two gig data plan was required. When she didn't acknowledge that, they cut off the account.
The sim was free. Don't tell me I'm wrong when you don't really know what you're talking about.
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The two posts following yours confirmed what I was originally saying sir, and quite frankly I do know what I'm talking about. I work ICT for a North American wide company and regularly travel to the states supporting events that require this kind of connectivity.
As for you're sister in law, she probably got that message because a background app was attempting to use data, and it wasn't disabled on the phone, thus the text. This I have also encountered.
Back on topic, I agree there may be a network outage in your area. But if all else fails a visit to the AT&T store can't hurt. Worst case scenario just sell the note on Craig list
Lol here in the US we dont have kijiji, but an alternate called craigslist. I do believe using the sim unlock method plus deactivating data might work. Try using the phone in another area to confirm ices theory of an outage.