Opinion: I have noticed that a few Android phones like the HTC One S are designed without a microSD slot. I think this is a really bad idea for both the microSD slotless phones themselves and Android as a whole. I would suggest that consider this when buying any phone without a microSD slot because every phone bought without one is a vote that says microSD is dispensable. Obviously the ultimate choice is yours.
In the future if unlimited plans become the norm and Android develops enough that on-line files can be cataloged and accessible just like they were on a microSD card, then microSD may become obsolete ....... those days are not here yet. I would gladly pay Dropbox to store all my music files on line, but playing them from on-line is rudimentary at best. PowerAMP or the Stock Android player can't catalog the files so finding and playing them is a mess. There is also no cover art or lyric support either. Also if every file must be cataloged and that means downloading the whole music collection one, at a time which would take weeks.
In my opinion, the direction Android should be going in is providing a decent sized non-removable memory block built into the phone to run the OS and store Apps, at least 16GB. This way the memory access in uniform, quick and direct with none of the quirks that SD cards exhibit. The microSD card should be completely isolated from the operating system except to provide simple removable storage like a flash drive. The micoSD card slot should also be on the outside of the phone so it could be swapped out live.
I think that at least with Froyo, moving apps to the SD card didn't work well. Some Apps worked OK, but eventually almost every app had some problem or another. Some apps also caused errors that resulted in read only access or worse.
Unlimited plans are going away, I doubt they will make a comeback. With data becoming more and more expensive now, the cloud is becoming a more impractical storage model. I hope Android phone makers keep microSD slots around as I will not buy a phone without a microSD slot. Unfortunately this means passing on the last generation of Nexus devices.
On phones with enough internal space the external SD card is mounted separately and some internal memory is mounted as a virtual SD card. This allows apps to be installed on the phone's virtual SD card so you can remove the external.
For me personally as long as there's 16GB on the phone, I have no need for more. I suspect the majority (60-65%) are also the same as they dont use much space at all. There should really be a poll on this.
I've done without the microSD slot for 2 years on my Nexus S and I don't really miss it. Music Storage? with Google Music's 20,000 song storage, how can you not use it in some way? Half my music is on Google Music and my hot playlist/albums are on my phone. The only thing i find that's really taking up all the space are the games.
16gb is enough for me. I find 32gb and above too much.
I need more than 16. With my current phone I have a single gb of internal storage for my apps, 10gb on my sd card, another 3gb for root stuff (ROMs, backups, titanium backups), and then another gigabyte of pictures and app data. Since I don't get to access all of my SDcard, I've only got 400mb left
I would keep SD cards. Sure solid block memory is nice, but I think SD would be more handy, and much cheaper.
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I have 16gb internal , and a 16 gb sd, and I need more. Having no sd card slot is not acceptable, and the reason I don't buy nexus devices, or the one series HTC devices.
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I was in your position as well.
Love the design of the One S, but the lack of an SD card made me chose the GSIII.
I bought the 16GB version and threw a 16GB SD card in.
This is what I have used in terms of memory.
Internal:
- 8.44GB available, 520MB to apps, 502MB to pictures
External:
- 6.25GB available, 7.02GB songs (1700 songs), 243.2MB Backups
I think you should gage what kind of things that you keep on your devices.
For me, it's clear that I needed an external card, you might not.
i would be okay without an sd slot if the phone had 32 or 64 gigs of internal storage.
an sd card slot is needed now a days. Even with cloud based music and such, what about the times when you can't grab stuff from the cloud? Like flights, areas with very poor signal (the gym for me) or other such things. I don't see why they can't give that option as a standard or given. I'd be happy with 16gig internal and an SD card slot, but without the slot i can't keep all my music on the phone itself. I don't want to have to rely on streaming with the cloud to listen to music, and with games and apps these days requiring more space where is that all going to go? Some games download an extra few gigs, so 8gigs will fill up really quick.
There is no reason not to give phones an sd card slot, its a big con in my book. Unless the phone has 32 gig or better yet 64 gig internal storage.
I don't see a problem with not having an SD card.
I've easily got by with my HTC desire with an 8GB SD card.
Sometimes I think people keep things for the sake of it.
For example I was keeping nandroid backups from 6-8months ago
I keep about 500 songs a load of apps/games.
If I want any more music I've got cloud. I've never got the notion of carrying around 1500+ songs.
At 3.5 minutes a song that's 87+ hours worth of music. Who the hell has the time.
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Until smartphones start coming out with 64GB and 128GB options, I will continue buying phones that have removable SD.
Even then, I still like the idea of a removable storage device for things like backups, sharing music, photos, etc...
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From the OP ..... It seems like a number of people are happy with storing their music on-line. As an avid DropBox user I can see the charms of on-line storage for some type of files, like documents.
However music files just do not currently lend themselves to on-line storage primarily because it doesn't really matter how many files you can store on-line if they are slow to get to and are un-cataloged.
When music is on a microSD card, the default Android music player or PowerAmp does a very good job of cataloging them, and you have album art and for PowerAmp lyrics too. Both are very slick and it is very easy to generate playlists or find exactly the file you want. No on-line service can play files ever close to as easily and elegantly as default Android music player or PowerAmp can when files are on micro SD.
If on-line playing of tracks were as good an experience as microSD, I would be the first to use it as there are some limited advantages.
microSD for music provides the very best music experience AND it is 2 year old technology. This elegant working technology is being removed from new phones and being replaced with something much more complicated, slower, more inaccessible with greatly reduced functionality.
It is not a good direction for Android
Just remember that a few short years ago almost every single phone was completely locked down and most wouldn't ever turn on unless a activated carrier SIM card was present. My HTC Desire Z worked quite well without any SIM card except for making calls. Android was the biggest breath of fresh air I have seen in the phone industry, and I see the premature removal of microSD and nonremovable battery as the 1st step towards Apple's model and the bad old days when your phone so clearly belonged to the carrier and not you.
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Just remember that a few short years ago almost every single phone was completely locked down and most wouldn't ever turn on unless a activated carrier SIM card was present. My HTC Desire Z worked quite well without any SIM card except for making calls. Android was the biggest breath of fresh air I have seen in the phone industry, and I see the premature removal of microSD and nonremovable battery as the 1st step towards Apple's model and the bad old days when your phone so clearly belonged to the carrier and not you.
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Don't worry, with the amount of OEMs out there that make android devices, there will always be somebody willing to add microSD slots to their phones to get sales. Most OEMs still do include them, its really only the Nexus devices that don't include them.
To throw my 2 cents in here.
The mobile phones developed fast these few years but people still think that they should trade music player, PC, and a game console for 1 phone.
I don't think phones were made for constant use of music games and other things because the battery inside of them are still weak and the Android phones were made just for CASUAL listening to music and gaming it SHOULDN'T replace your MP3 player or gaming console.
I myself have a 16 GB MP3 player with me that can endure playing for over 25 hours (more than enough for 2 days)
As for the photos i have a Dropbox (18 GB), Sugarsync (over 24 GB) and Box (50 GB) and 2 of them (Dropbox and Sugarsync) have a automatic upload for pictures so whenever i snap a picture its automatically uploaded to the cloud and in settings you can change if you would only like to uplodad trough Wi-Fi and Data or Wi-Fi alone and if you don't trust cloud (for privacy) you can buy an app called FolderSync that can sync your photos to your NAS, FTP server and even to the clouds (Box) on a schedule like every hour or at specific time (at 3 AM while you are asleep).
And the app also support for 1 way or 2 way Sync so if you just do 1 way you can delete all the pictures on your phone but they won't be deleted on your server/cloud.
So i'm pretty good with my HTC Evo 3D with ONLY 8GB storage and i have 3 GB of data per month and as technology grows so do Wi-Fi hotspots and almost everywhere there is a Wi-Fi Hotspot near you.
So i don't see any problem with 16/32 GB storage without SD card slot and will probably get myself a Nexus 4 soon (after i save some money lol).
From the OP to Hreidmar
I can agree that PCs and Laptops are not going to be replaced by smartphones for a long time yet. Quite simply PCs and laptops can do things that are inconvenient or impossible on a smartphone. Games on the phone are cute and have their charms but phones dont have the power, depth or screen space to run a game like Skyrim (Sadly the plot of that game could fit into a small corner of a smartphone )
However, for anyone who carries a decent smartphone, MP3 players are obsolete. They were obsolete the second Froyo Phones (or Iphones) hit the market and microSD hit 32Gb.
My deceased HTC Desire Z and a 32Gb microSD card together made an astoundingly good MP3 player that was always there because my phone was always with me. All I needed to carry was a small pair of decent earbuds.
32 GB of storage was just enough storage to cover a good sized music collection at 96kps Ogg. You may ask " Why would you want to carry around your entire music collection?" I would reply, "Why wouldn't you want to, do you really like syncing and leaving half your music at home"
The standard augment is that you couldn't possibly listen to 32Gb of music on the road. This isn't about the number of tracks. It is about playing the exact track you want, when you want it, spontaneously and easily. It is also about never ever having to sync tracks again except when you buy some new ones. It is about freedom of choice and freedom from syncing. This freedom was already here 2 years ago.
The combination of Android ICS or JB with a 32, 64 or 128Gb microSD card is a perfect MP3 player. The Android Stock player is great and you can search through and make playlists effortlessly. The audio system on the HTC One S is also great AND your phone is always with you. It is a WIN WIN WIN except that the big phone makers are crippling their phone with no microSD slot and puny 10Gb of storage.
To put it in perspective, I bought a 32Gb flash drive for 10$ and the actual chip is even less expensive. Apple is gouging end users for storage to subsidize the rest of the phone. micro SD lets the cost per GB float closer to reality.
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To throw my 2 cents in here.
The mobile phones developed fast these few years but people still think that they should trade music player, PC, and a game console for 1 phone.
I don't think phones were made for constant use of music games and other things because the battery inside of them are still weak and the Android phones were made just for CASUAL listening to music and gaming it SHOULDN'T replace your MP3 player or gaming console.
I myself have a 16 GB MP3 player with me that can endure playing for over 25 hours (more than enough for 2 days)
As for the photos i have a Dropbox (18 GB), Sugarsync (over 24 GB) and Box (50 GB) and 2 of them (Dropbox and Sugarsync) have a automatic upload for pictures so whenever i snap a picture its automatically uploaded to the cloud and in settings you can change if you would only like to uplodad trough Wi-Fi and Data or Wi-Fi alone and if you don't trust cloud (for privacy) you can buy an app called FolderSync that can sync your photos to your NAS, FTP server and even to the clouds (Box) on a schedule like every hour or at specific time (at 3 AM while you are asleep).
And the app also support for 1 way or 2 way Sync so if you just do 1 way you can delete all the pictures on your phone but they won't be deleted on your server/cloud.
So i'm pretty good with my HTC Evo 3D with ONLY 8GB storage and i have 3 GB of data per month and as technology grows so do Wi-Fi hotspots and almost everywhere there is a Wi-Fi Hotspot near you.
So i don't see any problem with 16/32 GB storage without SD card slot and will probably get myself a Nexus 4 soon (after i save some money lol).
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From the OP => Google Music
When I complained about the lack of microSD and tiny amounts of storage space on my HTC One S,a number of people pointed me to Google Music
As a Canadian I can't use the service to upload music. It isn't going to come to Canada in the foreseeable future either IMO, or Amazon MP3 would be already available.
Looking at it trying out the parts I could I think that Google Music may be a viable solution to accessing decent size music collections on a smartphone on the go.
Advantages: It seems to be able to catalog the tracks and give the end used an experience similar to having local music files on a SD card.
Disadvantages:
1) No data connect no music. Google tries to fix this by caching frequently used music, but chance are the track you want to play won't be available when the is no signal or you are forced to turn data off.
2) Data charges: An MP3 is fairly big and constantly playing tracks will add up to significant usage. A 2GB plan would probably make this irrelevant.
3) The music data is streamed. Streamed data means there may be dropouts and stutter if there high internet traffic volume. Downloading the whole track at once may be better.
4) Google is giving end users a large cloud space to upload tracks for free. However it is quite obvious that Google is only doing this to mine metrics about what type of music serious appreciators of music listen too so they can populate their music store with music. Once Google gets its data the free storage
will probably end or be replaced by paid storage. I personally wouldn't mind paying for the convenience of accessing files on-line as long as it is cheap and the data transfer rates are high.
Lastly, I would still much much more prefer to store all my music locally on a microSD. It is so much simpler, robust and fast.
Heck... Pics, vids, tunes... I have to have an SD to keep me going. Currently have 16g on the phone and a 32g SD card. There is no way I'd buy a phone without a SD slot!
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Ok so I LOVE Windows Phone 7.5, the Radar, and Zune Music Pass. But who thought it would be a smart idea to give us only 8GB to store XBox Live Games, Unlimited Music, and all these rich apps? I would understand it if I could store music in the cloud like I can with pictures but after coming from Android with 16GB built in and a 32GB SD Card it feels like I am using a phone that was put on discount and sold to someone who didn't know any better (aka. iPhone 4 8GB).
Something has to be done about the issue with expandable memory on this OS or even with 16GB (let's not forget we have Movies on the Zune Market) it still leaves me feeling constrained. Even if we don't get expandable memory, witch I am fine with, give us 32GB and 64GB options on whatever will replace the Radar.
Love the phone but even with all the positive when I am already at 2GB left with less than a week of use I am starting to worry and wanting to return it because of this one set back.
Well I suppose you're big enough to read and think before you buy something
As un insightful as that was I knew the limit I just didnt think the impact would be this noticeable.
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I've had a DVP with 8GB of storage for over a year and NEVER came close to filling her up. You don't need to store your entire music and video catalog on the device.
I thought the zune pass just lets you play music over the air and download 10 songs per month. Anyways, I think 8 gig is plenty for a phone, at least for me. + I think those limitations were the reason why it was bit cheaper. Usually it costs at least 450 for the phone without the contract.
i never understand why people would pay to download movie and watch on the phone? what happen to the 3k you spent on the home entertainment system.
8 gb is plenty for storing music and picture.
As a mp3 player it's pretty cramped. Obviously some can work within those boundaries. But especially if your music is stored in higher bitrates or lossless formats you are going to feel the pinch.
The fact is it's not designed to be an iPod. With Zune you have access to the entire Zune library all the time. The only music you need to store on the device are titles that Zune doesn't have, plus whatever you might need for offline listening (like on a plane).
Of course, that's asking people to completely change the way they think about "owning" and playing music. And it won't work for everyone. But that's the philosophy behind the design.
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I agree, it's 2012, 8gb just doesn't cut it for the modern consumer anymore. I have a radar as my backup phone, since it was free. Now that my beloved HD2 has a broken digitizer, I'm using my radar. Nice phone, a lil small, but the 8 gigs is killing me, lol! Can't wait to fix my LEO and get back to more storage.
I just got this phone as well. And while I got it mainly for Xbox Live because i'm SUCH an achievement whore, I can't stand the fact it only has 8GB and NO SD EXPANSION. I mean Seriously? why the **** are we taking the iphone route here? It's kinda lame. The phone is nice but no SD Card Expansion is a Deal Breaker for me.
I have another Android Phone if I didn't have that one then I most defiantly would not have the radar.
I've had both a iPhone 4 with 8gb, and now the Radar. I have yet to come close to hitting the full amount of memory. The only problem I have seen when it came to limits, was an error in IE about my favorites, and not having enough space. But other then that, I'm content with my 8gb, and still have room for more music and movies.
Hopefully you can open up the phone and add a bigger SD card like the HD7. Only problem is, is that you'll risk voiding your warranty by opening the phone. I PERSONALLY DO NOT OWN THE RADAR SO I CAN'T TEST IT OUT.
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8 GB is not enough for me as all of my music collection is MP3 320 kbps.
However, as soon as the Google Music player for WP7.5 is released, I will have lesser need for storing lots of MP3 on the phone.
I do love my HD2 with the 16 GB storage. 16 GB seems to be a good compromise between amount of storage needed and keeping price of a phone low.
8gb of storage is way too low. First is not even a full 8gb. Out of the box its something like 6.52gb. Then you install a couple app and games and you're only in the 5gb range. I downloaded my podcasts that keep me awake through the day and now I only have 2gb of data left for music. This was a poor decision on Microsoft's and the manufacturer's part.
After reviewing articles about the Radar, I decided to buy one. Now, I understood that the radar had 8GB of storage (btw, this is enough for me). But on my device it states 6.54GB Total Storage. Bit of noob question, What happened to the remaining 1.46 GB of storage?? Or is this normal?
Part of it is base 8 vs. base 10 math (1024 vs 1000) and the rest is allocated by the OS and OEM applications.
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Part of it is base 8 vs. base 10 math (1024 vs 1000) and the rest is allocated by the OS and OEM applications.
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Sorry to be pedantic but it's base 2 (binary) vs base 10 (decimal).
2^10 = 1024
10^3 = 1000
Before I got my Radar, I had an HTC Trophy. The 8GB was just not cutting it, so I searched online and discovered that you could open it it up and replace the internal memory. The internal memory took form of a Micro-SD card. I replaced the stock 8GB with a 32GB. Restarted the phone and voila. It worked like a charm.
I'm hoping that this can be done on the Radar too, however there are a few of issues.
1. Unibody will make it quite painful to reach the internals.
2. Opening it up will void warranty.
3. A few on WPCentral forums have mentioned that the 2nd Gen WP Phones may have switched from internal flash memory to NAND memory?
I haven't heard it being done on the Radar. It might not be possible without de-soldering the flash chip.
Hi all,
what's it like when you stick one of those cards in your Android full of music? I have an iPod Classic 160GB and now I'd like a bigger screen and touch for easier use. But I've heard terrible things about these SD cards in Android phones. I don't care about screenshots with big numbers,
-what is it like in practical use?
-Does music transfer quickly?
-When you de-tach your phone does it freeze while the SD loads? (some crappy mp3 players do).
-What happens when you load your music player, does it freeze, does it freeze the first time after music transfer or ever time, how long does it freeze?
-Do you have to format your SD card because of normal phone use? How often?
-How do you find out how fast your phone can read the SD?
That's all I care about. I have a feeling the only way I'll find out is by spending a lot of money, getting angry and buying another iPod. The Touch is waaaaay too expensive in my view, I'm not paying for Apple's champaign parties with my money. 32-64GB is expensive, it's the 8GB people who get cheap devices not us audio lovers.
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Hi all,
what's it like when you stick one of those cards in your Android full of music? I have an iPod Classic 160GB and now I'd like a bigger screen and touch for easier use. But I've heard terrible things about these SD cards in Android phones. I don't care about screenshots with big numbers,
-what is it like in practical use?
-Does music transfer quickly?
-When you de-tach your phone does it freeze while the SD loads? (some crappy mp3 players do).
-What happens when you load your music player, does it freeze, does it freeze the first time after music transfer or ever time, how long does it freeze?
-Do you have to format your SD card because of normal phone use? How often?
-How do you find out how fast your phone can read the SD?
That's all I care about. I have a feeling the only way I'll find out is by spending a lot of money, getting angry and buying another iPod. The Touch is waaaaay too expensive in my view, I'm not paying for Apple's champaign parties with my money. 32-64GB is expensive, it's the 8GB people who get cheap devices not us audio lovers.
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I personally have Live with Walkman, which about half year ago, was the same price as iPod Touch 4g 8GB.
Practical use...I am not sure what you mean about it. Android phones are regular smartphones: music player, internet, apps, calling, SMS etc.
Music transfer speed has never been problem for someone. If your computer has USB 2.0(quite likely), then it is the best you can.
On some phones, rechecking the music folders might take a bit of time to make sure player has all the music there is. Usually doesn't take more than 1-2 minutes, mostly less than that.
Freezing? Depends on phone, but Android phones are nowadays quite fast already, there is no freezing at all.
Seriously, who gives a **** about 1-1,5 sec freezing in the menu? Music doesn't stop anyway.
I have never formatted my SDcard and will never do it. It is not needed, the regular format(which should be FAT32, Android doesn't support others) works just great, you don't need anything else.
SD card speed depends on SD card, Class 2, 4, 6, 8 and 10. Class 10 have highest speed, Class 2 slowest.
I have Class 4 SanDisk 16GB, works like a charm, higher speed is only needed if you move large files on your SDcard often. I have never experienced problems with SDcard speed.
By practical use, I mean good daily and constant use of a decent audio player. I have the feeling that many Android phones aim to play music and almost nothing else. I don't use spotify or google music or any of that. I use podcasts big time, I have over 10GB of podcasts alone. I see Sony's version of iTunes, Media Go is actually quite decent now. But practical as a full replacement for an iPod.
Music transfer...my Xperia Mini is OK, but have you seen an iPod? It's 2 songs per second...I've 25GB of music, it has to be fast. Also, I did try other brands of audio players and some of them spend 5 minutes (no joke) loading after music transfer, it was horrible. I actually smashed on it made me so angry, and I NEVER do that. I danced on the screen when I got another iPod. It did it every time even if I moved just 1 song.
By freezing, I mean when you enter the music menu. I just don't want my phone freezing every time it loads 25GB of music and 10GB of podcasts.
I've done a fair bit of research on the class type, XDA has some good threads also. I'm still unconvinced though. People keep posting crap about fast read/write speeds. Who cares, I'm interested in actualy use nothing else.
I highly recommend formatting your SD. Copy all the contents to a folder on your laptop/pc, format then copy back. I'm not joking, if you use different roms you will be SHOCKED at the improvement it makes. I don't mean a tiny improvment, I mean major. Your SD moves much faster, loading pics in your phone becomes instant again.
Your 16GB card works ok? Is that your full music collection?
Anyway, I just did some testing of favourite songs on my phone vs my iPod and bass is definitely better on iPod. I really want to give Android a shot though.
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By practical use, I mean good daily and constant use of a decent audio player. I have the feeling that many Android phones aim to play music and almost nothing else. I don't use spotify or google music or any of that. I use podcasts big time, I have over 10GB of podcasts alone. I see Sony's version of iTunes, Media Go is actually quite decent now. But practical as a full replacement for an iPod.
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I have been using stock music player all the time(Walkman on stock ROM, stock player on current, MIUI, ROM). Android phones do have music feature, even though most manufacturers are trying to improve other sides.
Live with Walkman is built for music lovers, with its dual speakers(bass is low, but for regular listening is quality fine), special Walkman(which actually misses own equalizer, but can be downloaded from Market).
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Music transfer...my Xperia Mini is OK, but have you seen an iPod? It's 2 songs per second...I've 25GB of music, it has to be fast. Also, I did try other brands of audio players and some of them spend 5 minutes (no joke) loading after music transfer, it was horrible. I actually smashed on it made me so angry, and I NEVER do that. I danced on the screen when I got another iPod. It did it every time even if I moved just 1 song.
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iPod's and other Apple products use own cabling system, which probably allows high speed transfer. Androids have microUSB port, which might limit it.
USB 2.0 supports maximal of 60 MB/s, Apple probably takes so much possible from it, as one their port is for everything.
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By freezing, I mean when you enter the music menu. I just don't want my phone freezing every time it loads 25GB of music and 10GB of podcasts.
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For 35GB of music material, it might take some time first to check all the folders for music files and load metadata to the player and create cache(that is done only after every music collection change).
If music folders are the same, same cache is used and loading player will be fast.
2011 Xperia's have 1 GHz processor, shouldn't take long time for loading anyway.
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I've done a fair bit of research on the class type, XDA has some good threads also. I'm still unconvinced though. People keep posting crap about fast read/write speeds. Who cares, I'm interested in actualy use nothing else.
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First time, placing all your music there might take a while, but later on, you don't add 10GB of stuff to SDcard at once, so that high speed might not be needed.
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I highly recommend formatting your SD. Copy all the contents to a folder on your laptop/pc, format then copy back. I'm not joking, if you use different roms you will be SHOCKED at the improvement it makes. I don't mean a tiny improvment, I mean major. Your SD moves much faster, loading pics in your phone becomes instant again.
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I might give it a try, when I have time, even though I have no problems with speed at the moment.
Besides, what would formatting give me? The file system has to stay FAT32 anyway, because Android doesn't support another ones.
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Your 16GB card works ok? Is that your full music collection?
Anyway, I just did some testing of favourite songs on my phone vs my iPod and bass is definitely better on iPod. I really want to give Android a shot though.
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Yes, 16GB works fine(14,8GB available due to difference in manufacturing and file systems, 1000-1024 difference). And no, music is about 2-3 GB from it, I don't keep all the music on my phone, only the music I like at some point, old songs are deleted.
I also got few videos/films(Family Guy ) to look, when I am bored sometimes or can't sleep in evening. Screen is small, but it isn't that bad for films.
I have an Mini Pro with a 32GB Sandisk Class 4 SD.
It works fine, no freezes at all. The only problem is the sound of it is not THAT good, i have never listened to an Ipod, but my phone cant handle much bass without distortion. I'm currently using PowerAMP player, its fantastic and you can configure it to make your music far better than the stock player and the "limiter" option fix the distortion problem.
I think its a good idea to use an external DAC (Fiio E17 example) if you like to listen to a perfect music with your perfect headphone.
EDIT: I have currently 8GB of music on my SD and PowerAMP loads it very fast.
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I have an Mini Pro with a 32GB Sandisk Class 4 SD.
It works fine, no freezes at all. The only problem is the sound of it is not THAT good, i have never listened to an Ipod, but my phone cant handle much bass without distortion. I'm currently using PowerAMP player, its fantastic and you can configure it to make your music far better than the stock player and the "limiter" option fix the distortion problem.
I think its a good idea to use an external DAC (Fiio E17 example) if you like to listen to a perfect music with your perfect headphone.
EDIT: I have currently 8GB of music on my SD and PowerAMP loads it very fast.
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Is it even possible to use DAC on android phone? Is there a driver for it?
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I don't know about that driver ^^
I've ordered a 32GB on ebay (half the price of in the shops and unused, good seller) and am waiting for it to arrive in the next few days. I've practiced sending about 20 favourite songs to my 2GB card using Media Go. The transfer is way slower than iTunes, but like the guy at the top ^^ said, perhaps after the cache is created on the phone it will all move faster...the load time after that was about 15 seconds...not bad at all. My iPod classic takes about 10 seconds but I'm happy so far.
I can't wait to test the new SD. I'll report back on how it goes. Media Go has finally come of age I think, it's very capable now. I'm testing different music apps on my phone and so far I like DoubleTwist the most - for easy of use though Poweramp has probably the best audio I've heard. I also recommend trying the megabass.zip that's available on here.
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Is it even possible to use DAC on android phone? Is there a driver for it?
https://code.google.com/p/android/i...rs&colspec=ID Type Status Owner Summary Stars
Seems its not yet. ):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1616761
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Thanks for the links.
After extensive effort, don't bother trying to replace an iPod with an Android anything yet! What a joke. If you like iPods keep them...I've tried so many devices over the last 6 years and really they (for me) still got nothing on iPods...
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I have been using stock music player all the time(Walkman on stock ROM, stock player on current, MIUI, ROM). Android phones do have music feature, even though most manufacturers are trying to improve other sides.
Live with Walkman is built for music lovers, with its dual speakers(bass is low, but for regular listening is quality fine), special Walkman(which actually misses own equalizer, but can be downloaded from Market).
iPod's and other Apple products use own cabling system, which probably allows high speed transfer. Androids have microUSB port, which might limit it.
USB 2.0 supports maximal of 60 MB/s, Apple probably takes so much possible from it, as one their port is for everything.
For 35GB of music material, it might take some time first to check all the folders for music files and load metadata to the player and create cache(that is done only after every music collection change).
If music folders are the same, same cache is used and loading player will be fast.
2011 Xperia's have 1 GHz processor, shouldn't take long time for loading anyway.
First time, placing all your music there might take a while, but later on, you don't add 10GB of stuff to SDcard at once, so that high speed might not be needed.
I might give it a try, when I have time, even though I have no problems with speed at the moment.
Besides, what would formatting give me? The file system has to stay FAT32 anyway, because Android doesn't support another ones.
Yes, 16GB works fine(14,8GB available due to difference in manufacturing and file systems, 1000-1024 difference). And no, music is about 2-3 GB from it, I don't keep all the music on my phone, only the music I like at some point, old songs are deleted.
I also got few videos/films(Family Guy ) to look, when I am bored sometimes or can't sleep in evening. Screen is small, but it isn't that bad for films.
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I use my XM only for listening to music or texting...so all the roms i tried either are for performance or some particular use....
CAn u suggest me a good rom only for Music?
I've got a mini pro with a 64gb sdxc card, poweramp as music player. Most points have been addressed before.
However you have to keep one point in mind. The phone plays decent enough audio on the go, with background noise and all other factors that come into play. Yet the ipod still has much better audio quality (use it with proper headphones and enough impedance and the difference is quite obvious) and I fear that's hardware related, no decent audio hardware in the phone. I have an external dac, but let's be honest why would i carry that around, it's as big/inconvenient as carrying an extra ipod around, given the choice I'll take my ipod with me.
For the price the phone has cost me, I'm pleased with it, small enough so don't have to carry an ipod around if I don't want to. The audio quality could however be better, and there's imho no software solution possible.
By the way; file transfer speed might be annoying, but how often are you going to be transferring several gigs of music? You put most of your collection on there once, or might change a few times. No point transferring flac or anything around that size to the phone.
Kinda off topic, but what sort of performance are you getting with the 64GB card? Are there any problems with compatibility? Would you mind running some speed tests on the card and posting the results?
Yeah what make of card have you got and were from. Looking 64gb for utorrent
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Yeah what make of card have you got and were from. Looking 64gb for utorrent
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Sorry for the late reply, didn't really see the first question and haven't had much time lately. I've got a Sandisk card of amazon.de. I'm not allowed to post links unfortunately. Anyway back when I bought it, it had a lot more good reviews. It's been replaced by another product in the mean time.
Does it still work yes, without fault almost. The only downside is that every time I add files via USB (pc), it causes a reboot verifying card integrity (only one reboot, so that's something I can live with). That might be because of the way the card is formatted, operating system I've used, still need to check into that.
I'm currently running a test for the read/write speeds, will post that later on.
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Ok so I've got some test results. Didn't test the entire card, just let the tests run for 10 minutes.
Read average 12.7 MegaBytes/S
Write average 8.6 MegaBytes/S
So not quite the class 10 it's labelled to be, pretty much knew that it was just a bit too slow. Did record video on it though without any hiccups.
I have a mini pro, paired with a 16gb kingston class 4 sd card and a Brainwavz M1 headphones, with this mix y just ditched my ipod touch of 16gb.
It's not my entire library but it's enough for my needs, I strongly recommend to buy the Poweramp music play app, it's a heavy improvement from stock music players. BTW this phones have fm radio a impossible feature in any apple device.
I would recommend the change, but it's up to you, if you want to move large data files or a large amount of data I strongly recommend to buy a micro sd to standard sd adapter and a class 10 card.
cheers
So annoying, another phone I'm interested in ruined straight away by no Micro SD and only a 16gb version. Problem is with tech it moves so fast that making you wait a few months for a 32gb version means I might as well then wait for the Galaxy S4 lol.
I don't get why we're going backwards in terms of storage.
Non expandable storage is pretty much criminal, yeah. Jury is out on the battery size, but there's no reason they couldn't have included a SD slot - it's less than a dollar's worth of parts.
Even if the battery turns out to be adequate, the lack of storage makes the phone untenable. 32gb could have been lived with, 64gb would be ideal.
I understand where you are coming from but when you look from a "normal" consumers point of view they probably could care less because most dont know how it works.
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So annoying, another phone I'm interested in ruined straight away by no Micro SD and only a 16gb version. Problem is with tech it moves so fast that making you wait a few months for a 32gb version means I might as well then wait for the Galaxy S4 lol.
I don't get why we're going backwards in terms of storage.
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I really don't see the problem, okay I lie, I do. But it is not that big of a deal, with cloud storage like dropbox (50 gb free with gs3) and drive, I would mostly use the 11 gb for pics and videos and apps, which fills up fast with the new advance camera's. So I automatically have my pics uploaded to google+, upload my videos via wifee to dropbox. Apps, I'm just going to have to deal with it, music is stored on google music.
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I really don't see the problem, okay I lie, I do. But it is not that big of a deal, with cloud storage like dropbox (50 gb free with gs3) and drive, I would mostly use the 11 gb for pics and videos and apps, which fills up fast with the new advance camera's. So I automatically have my pics uploaded to google+, upload my videos via wifee to dropbox. Apps, I'm just going to have to deal with it, music is stored on google music.
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I have to agree. I dont use my phone to store movies.
I use DropBox & Drive to store music and short video's. With the 100 or so apps I have on my 8GB thunderbolt and tons of pictures, I still have about 1.8GB of free space on it.
Still, it woudl be nice to have a 32GB option, or the SD slot.. very silly of HTC not to have more storage capacity in their new 'flagship phone' ... but 16GB is going to be fine for me for the next 2 years.
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Non expandable storage is pretty much criminal, yeah. Jury is out on the battery size, but there's no reason they couldn't have included a SD slot - it's less than a dollar's worth of parts.
Even if the battery turns out to be adequate, the lack of storage makes the phone untenable. 32gb could have been lived with, 64gb would be ideal.
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Strange...... pdadb.net states that the DNA has a micro SD slot supporting up to 32gigs. http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3950&c=htc_droid_dna_adr6435__droid_incredible_x_htc_dlx but that might have been a rumor or based on the Japanese sister phone "J-Butterfly". The Verizon website makes no mention of a micro SD slot though. Deal breaker for me!
I would have loved if it had 32 gigs on board as well. Then the I could have dealt with the lack of micro sd.
I don't want to have to have to play the cloud storage file management game where I have to keep uploading and downloading and deciding what I want on my phone. I don't mind 16GB internal as long as I have a micro SD slot or I don't mind having 32GB and no Micro SD right now. The problem is files and apps are only going to get larger so by the time 16GB goes away in favour of 32GB that'll be too small then too.
I mean just give me an option to have the storage size I want. 16GB is only like 11-13GB usable..... well over half of that goes to my music and then some games are a couple GB now....... suddenly I'm out of space and cannot record video.
Just had an online chat with Verizon Rep and she put me on hold while she checked and confirmed that the micro sd card slot is not mentioned on the specs on the verizon page (as I told her). I told her that Verizon had made a big mistake (with less total memory than my Rezound) on the DNA. She said "Verizon is not the manufacturer" (Duh!). I said true but it is made to Verizon's specifications by hTC.....oh well! I might be forced into the arms of the Galaxy Note II (which at least has up to 64 gigs of micro sd storage available to go with its paltry 16 gigs on board).
Sorry to say it guys, but you are going to see more of this down the road. This has been brought up by all the manufacturers for the last year or two. For some reason the manufacturers want to push us to cloud service. I can see a 32gb coming out soon, but as for sd card slot.... When I first got the phone for testing, the first thing I said was "no SD card slot". After taking with HTC I moved all my music to Google cloud and found that it works very good with the Google Music player. So what I'm trying to say is you are going to see this more down the road.
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Sorry to say it guys, but you are going to see more of this down the road. This has been brought up by all the manufacturers for the last year or two. For some reason the manufacturers want to push us to cloud service. I can see a 32gb coming out soon, but as for sd card slot.... When I first got the phone for testing, the first thing I said was "no SD card slot". After taking with HTC I moved all my music to Google cloud and found that it works very good with the Google Music player. So what I'm trying to say is you are going to see this more down the road.
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I agree. I wonder how long it will be before we see a 32gb version (if we do).
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Until Networks increase data caps dramatically, cloud storage is useless.
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Until Networks increase data caps dramatically, cloud storage is useless.
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Yes your right, something needs to be done. The DNA is not the only new hot phone with no SD card slot, check out the Google Nexus 7 and Google Nexus 4. Like I said we will see more and more of this down the road.
verizon spec'd the phone without a micro SD slot. The J Butterfly did have it (if I remember correctly). Drink up more data from them. That is what they are selling now, not phone calls.
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Yes your right, something needs to be done. The DNA is not the only new hot phone with no SD card slot, check out the Google Nexus 7 and Google Nexus 4. Like I said we will see more and more of this down the road.
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I've been interested in getting a new handset since the Nexus 4 purely because it was so cheap, however without a 32GB model at least it becomes useless for me even at the price, it would be like downgrading. Now however I'm interested in buying a new mobile just because I've gotten myself excited at the thought, even though my upgrade is in April and I'm perfectly happy with my GS2. Now this phone was announced I thought great it's basically a Nexus 4........ no 32GB or Micro SD...... FFS!
I'm just gonna end up waiting till April and hopefully the GS4 will be on the horizon and I'll get that, no way would Samsung design it without a Micro SD or at least a 32GB model.
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dweezle said:
verizon spec'd the phone without a micro SD slot. The J Butterfly did have it (if I remember correctly). Drink up more data from them. That is what they are selling now, not phone calls.
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I just realized that you are absolutely correct ! freakin verizon... why else would they make such a small internal capacity, amazing screen to make u watch more videos and no sd storage
I dont know why that didnt click in my head
I wonder how long will HTC keep bending over for verizon ? until they lose all their customer base completely... ?
It's like a crippled expensive horse. I will wait to see some DNA+ edition etc. Then maybe if the storage is right i will buy it
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verizon spec'd the phone without a micro SD slot. The J Butterfly did have it (if I remember correctly). Drink up more data from them. That is what they are selling now, not phone calls.
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I wouldn't say Verizon spec'd out the phone. HTC took many users considerations into this phone. Remember XDA and/or developers are only a small part of the cell phone world. I'm not saying I like the ideal of 16gb without a SD card, but......
~16GB doesn't effect my choice of any future phone. I got 25GB on Skydrive, 30 on DB and the measly 7GB on GDrive. So essentially those 16GB is only temp storage for photos/videos before I delete them off the phone once i see there already on DB and my music is streamed from Google Music. So the majority of it is for Apps which i don't download many anyways.
You people complain about MORE MORE MORE!! But dam what are keeping on that phone? Pictures and Videos? Things that can easily be lost if the phone gets lost/stolen or outright bricks on you. NO offense
But to each their own
I wan't Google to release a Desktop Client for Android like Zune or ... forgive me iTunes which i can easily plug my phone to charge and everything gets backed up via USB or Wifi.
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~16GB doesn't effect my choice of any future phone. I got 25GB on Skydrive, 30 on DB and the measly 7GB on GDrive. So essentially those 16GB is only temp storage for photos/videos before I delete them off the phone once i see there already on DB and my music is streamed from Google Music. So the majority of it is for Apps which i don't download many anyways.
You people complain about MORE MORE MORE!! But dam what are keeping on that phone? Pictures and Videos? Things that can easily be lost if the phone gets lost/stolen or outright bricks on you. NO offense
But to each their own
I wan't Google to release a Desktop Client for Android like Zune or ... forgive me iTunes which i can easily plug my phone to charge and everything gets backed up via USB or Wifi.
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Not everyone has an unlimited plan, I'm stuck on a shared 4GB data plan w/ 4 people if I go with Verizon. Sprint is starting to get tempting though...
if i absolutely know
Tachi91 said:
~16GB doesn't effect my choice of any future phone. I got 25GB on Skydrive, 30 on DB and the measly 7GB on GDrive. So essentially those 16GB is only temp storage for photos/videos before I delete them off the phone once i see there already on DB and my music is streamed from Google Music. So the majority of it is for Apps which i don't download many anyways.
You people complain about MORE MORE MORE!! But dam what are keeping on that phone? Pictures and Videos? Things that can easily be lost if the phone gets lost/stolen or outright bricks on you. NO offense
But to each their own
I wan't Google to release a Desktop Client for Android like Zune or ... forgive me iTunes which i can easily plug my phone to charge and everything gets backed up via USB or Wifi.
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I keep EVERY THING on clouds, picasa , 100 gb google drive , google music
I just dont trust verizon to let me keep my grandfather unlimited forever, and i am terrified to wake up one day to realize that i have a 2gb cap to access 160 gb worth of material
between custom roms , and recoveries and the rom backups , 16 gb is barely enough . at that point , where i will have to buy an mp3 player and carry that separately.
and i can kiss pandora goodbye if verizon caps it
the only thing i am certain of is the phone specs and that verizon are flat out without any conscious or loyalty.
Look folks I own the latest HTC phone built with an sd card. The evo lte. Having an sd card really isnt that big of a deal. The onboard sd card is much faster and i have a class 10 sandisk 32. Nothing is faster than that but onboard storage. Basically i use root explorer alot and any files not being used or accessed at that time you keep on the card anything current or needed to be flashed you keep onboard. Its almost like you have 2 sd cards not one. Now obviously the dna will not have this but a simple flash drive and adapter is the exact same thing! The only difference would be you cant run the files off the flash drive without transfering them but im not sure why you would run them off an external anyway if you had them? Onboard memory is faster anyhow? I just dont see why the fuss? Yall are mad about nothing lol. Flash drives cost about 20% more than a sd card. Relax its not a big deal. Lol
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16GB isn't future proof for apps (mostly games). I wouldn't want to plug in a flash drive to play some games - that would be incredibly annoying. Other than that, I don't see it as a big deal. I also never listen to music while out though (besides car radio). I currently only use 3GB of space on my Incredible, but it also just can't handle any real games lol.
They have games bigger than 16 gb lol? I dont play games really but ok.
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thetunicakid said:
They have games bigger than 16 gb lol? I dont play games really but ok.
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Some are over 2GB already, HD ones that inevitably come out soon will be 3-4GB. Well, the free roaming ones anyway - Angry Birds never will be. That means if only storing apps you could only have 3-4 games before running out of space. It's only 11GB free after formatting and the Jellybean/Sense etc.
I dont game on phones and never will. just got a 32gb nexus 7 so when my nephews come over they can play all the .99 cents games I bought last year. Stay away from my phone lol. I game but true joy is on big screen, xbox, pc, ps3, I really could care less about gaming on 5inch or 7inch screen where I get tired of controls after 5 mins.
Man im on my phone enough as it is! The last thing I need is another addiction lol.
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It's a big deal for me as I have >35GB of music on my 64GB card currently. I had been looking forward to looking at this phone but not any more.
Guess it's the limitation
With the LTE clocking in around 20-50 Mbps where I live, I'm carrying about 20 million songs with me everywhere I go
impala454 said:
With the LTE clocking in around 20-50 Mbps where I live, I'm carrying about 20 million songs with me everywhere I go
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Until Verizon inevitably takes away unlimited data. Then if you listen a lot...
People always bring up that they have like 50GB of music.
I have a ton of music too, but come on people. Do you need to carry every single song you own with you in your pocket? REALLY?
I pick a few hundred songs to put on my phone and when I get tired of it I put new ones on.
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Look folks I own the latest HTC phone built with an sd card. The evo lte. Having an sd card really isnt that big of a deal. The onboard sd card is much faster and i have a class 10 sandisk 32. Nothing is faster than that but onboard storage. Basically i use root explorer alot and any files not being used or accessed at that time you keep on the card anything current or needed to be flashed you keep onboard. Its almost like you have 2 sd cards not one. Now obviously the dna will not have this but a simple flash drive and adapter is the exact same thing! The only difference would be you cant run the files off the flash drive without transfering them but im not sure why you would run them off an external anyway if you had them? Onboard memory is faster anyhow? I just dont see why the fuss? Yall are mad about nothing lol. Flash drives cost about 20% more than a sd card. Relax its not a big deal. Lol
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I'm sure that not only 16GBs (11GBs usable), 8GBs (yep, 3GB usable only) storage is enough for many people who only surf webs, facebook, sometimes take some photos, listen to music a little bit and have some small apps. I think at least 50-70% smartphone owners use their device this way.
However, there are still a lot of people needing bigger storage for many purposes, and I dont know what you wanna ask. For you it's enough, and for others it's not, that is personal opinion and purpose.
Something similar that I saw in other fanboys' topics, such as when people blamed on iPhone about it's storage, close OS, small screen or just no bluetooth sharing, and many shew a ton of evidences that it's enough. The same thing with Samsung's plastic and Motorola's bootloader.
I personally don't use my phone for games, music or movies. I use it for email, calls, texts and web-browsing (as well as for certain productivity apps). However, I can certainly see how someone looking to use their phone as an all-in-one multimedia device would not be satisfied with 16gb.
In the end, like everything else in the world, it really is just subjective and based on personal use requirements which is why there is no reason for people to bash a device for so-and-so reason or for people to bash the people doing so because, at the end of the day, there's always a group out there that will find the specs of any piece of technology adequate for their needs.
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Until Verizon inevitably takes away unlimited data. Then if you listen a lot...
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There's no way I'll ever come close to the limit listening to streaming music. To take up 4GB of data I'd have to listen to 128 Kbps streaming constantly for 69 hours. Some people might have issue with that but I know I won't. Plus I tend to use the spotify feature to download my favorite playlists to the device so it's rarely streaming anyways. Automatic sync and everything. It's a wonderful setup for music for only $10/mo.
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There's no way I'll ever come close to the limit listening to streaming music. To take up 4GB of data I'd have to listen to 128 Kbps streaming constantly for 69 hours.
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Aren't the data plans 2gb/$30 and 5gb/$50 a month? There is a big difference between streaming up to 2gb vs. 4gb.
Simple. They need access to more than 13gb of stuff. Is it really beyond your comprehension that there are people in the world that need this? I think using a flash drive with my phone is really cool but its a bit ridiculous to think it could replace the function of an SD card. You may as well ask why anyone would want more that 8gb of data on a phone or 4gb of data.
Or better yet why do you think you need more than 1gb of storage on your phone. I only use my phone for email and the internet so I can't understand why anyone in the world would need more than a gigabyte, I mean my email cache is like less than 100mb and the internet is LITERALLY on the internet so I don't need ANY storage for that. Even if i downloaded an app, that's like what, a few more mbs? What could anyone possible have on their phone that would exceed 1gb.
Your experience ≠ everyone else.
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Aren't the data plans 2gb/$30 and 5gb/$50 a month? There is a big difference between streaming up to 2gb vs. 4gb.
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Not really to me. I track my usage and over the past six months on my Sprint EVO 4G I've averaged ~415MB per month total. That includes my spotify usage, internet, maps, searches, occasional youtube, etc. Of course I see my usage going up somewhat when I get on LTE, but not by tenfold. My original point was that the need to carry around 50GB of music is nullified (at least for me) by using something like Spotify.
My remaining question to those who insist on carrying that much music, why are you only limiting yourself to that much? I mean, I have 200GB+ on a storage drive at home. You can't carry all that around so what's the difference between 50 and 200?
I could care less about not having an SD card, but I don't play games or store music so much less memory is needed for my use. I can completely understand those who game a lot and store music and vids needing one. My biggest concern would be getting it rooted and being able to access the hotspot hacked of course. When this can be done ill be very tempted to pick one up.
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It's a big deal for me as I have >35GB of music on my 64GB card currently. I had been looking forward to looking at this phone but not any more.
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I was worried about the lack of storage expansion in my current device, but I soon realized I didn't need my entire music collection with me all the time.
I have a lot of music, but I just don't listen to it often enough for an SD card slot (or lack thereof) to be a deal breaker
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TO ALL INTERNATIONAL MEDIA,
As a person living in a third world country let me express my deepest objection to the path tech giants are taking with regard to the removal of the MicroSD card. The explanations given for such removal are baby talk from companies who make their living off the consumer. Their sole purpose of doing such is that they get a chance to earn more by forcing the consumer to buy their extremely expensive internal storage. Companies such as Google also wish to make money off cloud storage plus they wish make internet service providers even richer because in countries like Sri Lanka a GB of data costs the user 2USD. Which makes cloud storage practically useless. Its clear that with the removal of the MicroSD card companies such as Google and Samsung have a win win situation and would be also praised by ISP's maybe even a underhand million dollar commission to those who made the decision not to have a MicroSD card. I believe consumer protection authorties of all governments around the world should take these tech giants to court over such un-practical and unjustified decision which renders such expensive devices practically useless in terms of usability. Which takes away the freedom of the consumer in the modern day and age of expansion.
Also such devices should be advertised clearly saying "Warning : No support for storage expansion" because many of those who bought devices such as the Nexus 6P and Samsung S6 and S6 edge where unaware of the lack of MicroSD support. Microsoft and Lumia lost market in countries like Sri Lanka because of this exact reason.
Chirantha Amerasinghe,
Moratuwa, Sri Lanka
A GB of data for $2usd is fairly cheap compares to prices in the US. True there are a few people with unlimited plans, but most people pay between $10-15usd per GB for overage charges. At $2usd per GB, 20GB would cost $40usd. While, a single phone plan (with AT&T) with 15GB of data is $100usd. If you then factor in $10usd per GB for 5GB of overages, you're paying $150usd for 20gb of data. That does include unlimited talk and text, but its still outrageous in comparison to paying $40usd for 20GB of data. I'm sure you can get all the talk and text you want for much less than $110usd.
While I agree expandable storage has its advantages, I've had nexus devices ever since the Galaxy Nexus. I've never missed having an sdcard, and if you utilize wireless, its really not a big deal at all.
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A GB of data for $2usd is fairly cheap compares to prices in the US. True there are a few people with unlimited plans, but most people pay between $10-15usd per GB for overage charges. At $2usd per GB, 20GB would cost $40usd. While, a single phone plan (with AT&T) with 15GB of data is $100usd. If you then factor in $10usd per GB for 5GB of overages, you're paying $150usd for 20gb of data. That does include unlimited talk and text, but its still outrageous in comparison to paying $40usd for 20GB of data. I'm sure you can get all the talk and text you want for much less than $110usd.
While I agree expandable storage has its advantages, I've had nexus devices ever since the Galaxy Nexus. I've never missed having an sdcard, and if you utilize wireless, its really not a big deal at all.
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2USD per GB of data in a country that has average yearly income of 1000USD per person (84USD per month). And if what you say is true, Cloud Storage as a alternative to External SD card isn't exactly sweet for anyone in the world.
I think he means ISP's charge 2usd per GB...
not wireless
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TO ALL INTERNATIONAL MEDIA,
As a person living in a third world country let me express my deepest objection to the path tech giants are taking with regard to the removal of the MicroSD card. The explanations given for such removal are baby talk from companies who make their living off the consumer. Their sole purpose of doing such is that they get a chance to earn more by forcing the consumer to buy their extremely expensive internal storage. Companies such as Google also wish to make money off cloud storage plus they wish make internet service providers even richer because in countries like Sri Lanka a GB of data costs the user 2USD. Which makes cloud storage practically useless. Its clear that with the removal of the MicroSD card companies such as Google and Samsung have a win win situation and would be also praised by ISP's maybe even a underhand million dollar commission to those who made the decision not to have a MicroSD card. I believe consumer protection authorties of all governments around the world should take these tech giants to court over such un-practical and unjustified decision which renders such expensive devices practically useless in terms of usability. Which takes away the freedom of the consumer in the modern day and age of expansion.
Also such devices should be advertised clearly saying "Warning : No support for storage expansion" because many of those who bought devices such as the Nexus 6P and Samsung S6 and S6 edge where unaware of the lack of MicroSD support. Microsoft and Lumia lost market in countries like Sri Lanka because of this exact reason.
Chirantha Amerasinghe,
Moratuwa, Sri Lanka
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are you a troll?
with all the news surrounding the S6, S6e, S6e+, 6P, you didn't even see an article from all the tech sites in the world talking about the lack of ext storage support?
and you know these phones come with a min storage capacity of 32GB and all the way to 128GB?
What on earth can you load the phone with to take up the full capacity and consume it within a day?
You can simply exchange the data once you get your hands on your own PC.
Why is the phone unusable without ext storage? You mean my phone cannot boot up, make calls, send texts, play games, browse the web? That is strange because that's what I am doing everyday with my 6P.
IF you really want ext storage, go to USB-OTG.
You talk as if the world has ended.
My god.
Removal of SD Card is not a big issue for me as long as there is at least a 20 gb usable internal storage, cloud storage as an alternative is not a good choice in my country (struggle of slow internet connection).
Your at least 2 years late...
ahse0w said:
are you a troll?
with all the news surrounding the S6, S6e, S6e+, 6P, you didn't even see an article from all the tech sites in the world talking about the lack of ext storage support?
and you know these phones come with a min storage capacity of 32GB and all the way to 128GB?
What on earth can you load the phone with to take up the full capacity and consume it within a day?
You can simply exchange the data once you get your hands on your own PC.
Why is the phone unusable without ext storage? You mean my phone cannot boot up, make calls, send texts, play games, browse the web? That is strange because that's what I am doing everyday with my 6P.
IF you really want ext storage, go to USB-OTG.
You talk as if the world has ended.
My god.
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I know, and I have seen. But here is he deal, its just because companies want profits. To a time, companies where trying to bring devices that attract the user. Now it has gone the other way. Let me break down somethings for you.
A system cache on a phone uses 1-2GB
The Android OS uses around 4GB
A 16MP photo uses around 4MB. A user storing 500 photos would use 2GB of data
A 4k video uses around 300MB per minute. A average user storing 15 minutes of 4K video would use 4.39GB
A 1080p video uses around 115MB per minute. An average user storing 15 minutes of 1080p video would use 1725MB of data
An average MP3 file is 3.5MB. An average user storing 1000 songs would use 3500MB. A music geek (like me) would store 12GB of music.
An App like Facebook would use 400MB of storage data.
WhatsApp data from two years of use would be around 300MB
A music video would use 35MB's of space. A user having 50 music video's would use 1750MB's of space. A geek would have at least 5GB's
A high end Android game would use 1GB of data
Thumbnail Cache would be around 400MB on the busy user.
I have around 80 Apps installed (by me), I'm using 9.55GB if data on my S5.
Bare in mind that most of these are minimum figures. Compared to actual on most people. I hope you'll understand why for most people, not having a external SD card is a big issue. Also one more thing. External SD on a Card Reader is more convenient than the silly MTP transfer method on Samsung phones
So, should not have bought a nexus. Go buy a g4 or something else with a card slot instead. Nexus devices have been this way since the nexus one if I remember correctly. If you don't like what they're doing don't spend your money with such companies.
chirantha7777 said:
I know, and I have seen. But here is he deal, its just because companies want profits. To a time, companies where trying to bring devices that attract the user. Now it has gone the other way. Let me break down somethings for you.
A system cache on a phone uses 1-2GB
The Android OS uses around 4GB
A 16MP photo uses around 4MB. A user storing 500 photos would use 2GB of data
A 4k video uses around 300MB per minute. A average user storing 15 minutes of 4K video would use 4.39GB
A 1080p video uses around 115MB per minute. An average user storing 15 minutes of 1080p video would use 1725MB of data
An average MP3 file is 3.5MB. An average user storing 1000 songs would use 3500MB. A music geek (like me) would store 12GB of music.
An App like Facebook would use 400MB of storage data.
WhatsApp data from two years of use would be around 300MB
A music video would use 35MB's of space. A user having 50 music video's would use 1750MB's of space. A geek would have at least 5GB's
A high end Android game would use 1GB of data
Thumbnail Cache would be around 400MB on the busy user.
I have around 80 Apps installed (by me), I'm using 9.55GB if data on my S5.
Bare in mind that most of these are minimum figures. Compared to actual on most people. I hope you'll understand why for most people, not having a external SD card is a big issue. Also one more thing. External SD on a Card Reader is more convenient than the silly MTP transfer method on Samsung phones
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it's not that new phones do not have SD card slots because they dont want to give you extra storage or doesnt want to use external sd cards, many people using SD cards do not use the correct ones which will affect the performance of the phone because some games/apps get stored in SD card when its available.
the fastest SD card you can get in the market still wont get to the speed of the internal memory you have in your phone and remember fast processor, fast ram will do nothing if your storage is slow....
Removal battery>SD card
Removable battery and sd card have zero significance to me. Cloud storage and cloud music ftw
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chirantha7777 said:
I know, and I have seen. But here is he deal, its just because companies want profits. To a time, companies where trying to bring devices that attract the user. Now it has gone the other way. Let me break down somethings for you.
A system cache on a phone uses 1-2GB
The Android OS uses around 4GB
A 16MP photo uses around 4MB. A user storing 500 photos would use 2GB of data
A 4k video uses around 300MB per minute. A average user storing 15 minutes of 4K video would use 4.39GB
A 1080p video uses around 115MB per minute. An average user storing 15 minutes of 1080p video would use 1725MB of data
An average MP3 file is 3.5MB. An average user storing 1000 songs would use 3500MB. A music geek (like me) would store 12GB of music.
An App like Facebook would use 400MB of storage data.
WhatsApp data from two years of use would be around 300MB
A music video would use 35MB's of space. A user having 50 music video's would use 1750MB's of space. A geek would have at least 5GB's
A high end Android game would use 1GB of data
Thumbnail Cache would be around 400MB on the busy user.
I have around 80 Apps installed (by me), I'm using 9.55GB if data on my S5.
Bare in mind that most of these are minimum figures. Compared to actual on most people. I hope you'll understand why for most people, not having a external SD card is a big issue. Also one more thing. External SD on a Card Reader is more convenient than the silly MTP transfer method on Samsung phones
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Maybe next year google will release a phone with 2TB of internal storage.
Really though, I consider my self to be a heavy user (especially music, I have a 250GB music collection and well over 300 digital copy blurays) and I still only opted for the 64gb. I would have to plug a external hard drive to my phone to store all of my music and video if I didn't use the cloud.
On the flip side, my mother bought into the whole SD card deal, she has a galaxy s4 with a 128GB SD card. She has used 150mb of the space on that card.
@chirantha7777 http://www.rif.org/
Why would you by something before reading the specs? They didn't hide it.
Also, the 6P has Usb OTG out of the box, there are plenty of tiny usb-c thumb drives out there or you can use a Usb OTG cable and plug in just about any storage device.
Seems to me you are just being a drama queen.
128 Gb is plenty enough
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If you have not lived in a third world country then you do not understand where this gent is coming from. I have and I understand what he is saying
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Lol, to all media
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nj1266 said:
If you have not lived in a third world country then you do not understand where this gent is coming from. I have and I understand what he is saying
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So users in areas with crappy cellular service shouldn't buy phones that lack microsd support...
While I'd much prefer external storage, my shiny new 128GB Nexus 6P really has no f*cks to give...
Since I got a Rav Power 15kmah backup, and a Nexus 6P with 128gb, the removable battery and storage is not an issue anymore.