ok i do not know why android sucks at multi tasking
on my IPOD4 i can run 100 applications with no lag
and on my SGS3 i can't run more then 20 apps (yes i have already tried supercharger and bestmultitask tweaks)
its even worst when the cache size gets more and more
i don't reboot my phone often
i like how ios makes a save point when you switch to another app which helps in multitasking many apps
can we have that thing on android too ?
or maybe android is meant to be like this ?
Sounds like a troll
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I dont know, but the only thing ive noticed is my benchmarks fell after I flashed the polish jb rom and rooted but not much difference performance wise
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I dont know, but the only thing ive noticed is my benchmarks fell after I flashed the polish jb rom and rooted but not much difference performance wise
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20 apps on my s3
100 apps on ios
thats a big difference for me
abelle_abelle said:
ok i do not know why android sucks at multi tasking
on my IPOD4 i can run 100 applications with no lag
and on my SGS3 i can't run more then 20 apps (yes i have already tried supercharger and bestmultitask tweaks)
its even worst when the cache size gets more and more
i don't reboot my phone often
i like how ios makes a save point when you switch to another app which helps in multitasking many apps
can we have that thing on android too ?
or maybe android is meant to be like this ?
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Probably because iOS doesn't use true multi-tasking? It takes a shot of the application and stores that, rather than keeping the application "alive" in the background like Android does.
wtf are you talking about, i have also an ipod touch 4g and having more than 3 apps running on "background" makes the device laggy as hell but that's to be expected when it only has 256mb of ram, and the fact that you have "100" apps appearing on the "multitasking" bottom bar, doesn't mean all of them are running, in fact you'll be lucky if only 3 of them are. Android does something similar but in a more realistic way, it keeps running the apps processes on background when you hit the home button, but if you have a lot of apps in this state it'll auto delete from memory some of the least important to keep ram free.
i've never experience lag on the galaxy s3 as much you state, with 1gb of ram that's unlikely to happen anyway.
abelle_abelle said:
ok i do not know why android sucks at multi tasking
on my IPOD4 i can run 100 applications with no lag
and on my SGS3 i can't run more then 20 apps (yes i have already tried supercharger and bestmultitask tweaks)
its even worst when the cache size gets more and more
i don't reboot my phone often
i like how ios makes a save point when you switch to another app which helps in multitasking many apps
can we have that thing on android too ?
or maybe android is meant to be like this ?
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Mate seriously, just get lost! You've come into an ANDROID and S3 forum and just basically called it ****! And worst of all, after all the rubbish about Samsung vs Apple, you have the audacity to compare the S3 which runs ANDROID to iOS....seriously?? Thread reported to moderator!
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There are loads of posts explaining this, this guy didn't even bother to search/read a bit. No point to reply, even.
If you like the icrap better, just stick to that.
Again, another useless thread.
1)iOS doesn't have true multitasking, it "pauses" the apps (LoL).
2)The S3 won't be able to multitask 20 apps, nor does the iPhone anyways. (even if it shows it is, in the taskmanager it will be closed and reloaded when you want to access it, (not multitasking).
3)I swear i saw a post like this before stating the same "100 apps", troll?
Go buy yourself an icrap.
Mods Please Close Thread Case Solved.
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abelle_abelle said:
ok i do not know why android sucks at multi tasking
on my IPOD4 i can run 100 applications with no lag
and on my SGS3 i can't run more then 20 apps (yes i have already tried supercharger and bestmultitask tweaks)
its even worst when the cache size gets more and more
i don't reboot my phone often
i like how ios makes a save point when you switch to another app which helps in multitasking many apps
can we have that thing on android too ?
or maybe android is meant to be like this ?
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Because iOS puts Applications into suspended mode (with 10 minute limit on background data activity.) After which iOS forcefully terminates the application in question. What does this mean? It means the majority of your "100" apps that are listed on the double tap line is inactive/closed. That bar isn't the multitasking bar, but a 'recently opened' application bar.
You'd be hard pressed to find 3-4 apps open concurrently at the same time and working completely on iOS. While iOS certainly does NOT have true multitasking like Android does (running actual concurrent applications without being in 'low-power/suspend mode'), it doesn't mean it's worse than Android. It's just different philosophy to Mobile OS design... But I think it does pose a question, does that 'Recently Opened' app bar really serve to nothing else but fool ignorant users (you, in this case) into thinking iOS multi-tasks much more than it actually does?
The original poster might be on to something.. I when I was using a Palm Treo I noticed it was wickedly fast at multitasking, but whenever I use an Apple running IOS things seem to get bogged down. Perhaps Apple needs to use better CPU or operating system.
Lol. 100 apps? I think those are just recently opened apps. Those are not running..
lol take a chill pill
is there a way to do that on android like ios pause apps so that i can multitask more apps ??
Fair question. What's the point of burning up CPU cycles (and hence battery) needlessly ?
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lol take a chill pill
is there a way to do that on android like ios pause apps so that i can multitask more apps ??
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Apparently you have a problem understanding the concept of multi-tasking.
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/112013-how-multitasking-works-on-android-and-ios
Educate yourself and then ask less foolish questions.
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Sounds like a troll
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You sound right http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1949513
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I dont know, but the only thing ive noticed is my benchmarks fell after I flashed the polish jb rom and rooted but not much difference performance wise
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Noob style! You really don't know SEVERAL key things about Android. Specially that none of the benchmark apps benefit from the S III's quad core.
You get a V12 Ferrari and try to benchmark it's engine on rocky, icy or muddy terrain, you'll come to the conclusion that it's a crappy car. Is the test the problem or the car the problem?
See, for each kind of car there are kinds of tests that are more suitable for it. You don't make a rally car undergo tests that are more suitable for a track car, and vice versa.
Forget about benchmarking the S III with the current apps.
The Polish ROM was the first JB, ROM and dozens of users reported that it was buggy and crappy. Much more evolved ROMs have been released, specially the unbranded UK ROM (CSC = BTU). If you're still using the Polish ROM, then you're a noob and haven't followed through the users remarks on it.
Android's JB multitasking is years ahead of anything apple has.
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I noticed while I was using the supercharger script that it recommended to use option 8 which is 768hp and not option 9 1000hp. I've read some threads before about people asking why in the task manager it only shows we have 733mb of ram on the phone and that its supposed to have 1gb. I know the system takes up a lot of ram and that's why it shows that. So my question is, does touch wiz use up that much ram? I thought tw was a "light" overlay. I remember when I had a rezound the recommendation for the supercharger script was 1000hp. Sense is supposed to be a "heavy" overlay right? Could it actually be lighter than tw? When I had an inspire it said to use 768hp, the same as now with the Note. But the inspire is "last year's" tech. I would expect the Note to be up there with the Rezound. Maybe this is why we are seeing lag sometimes? ICS seems worse in the ram usage department (600-something in the task manager). It just seems to me that the system is using up an incredible amount of resources that I haven't seen happen on other phones even with sense on them. Whenever I use the script and it recommends 768 it makes me think something is wrong and that's why we have the lag that we do. Thoughts?
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I noticed while I was using the supercharger script that it recommended to use option 8 which is 768hp and not option 9 1000hp. I've read some threads before about people asking why in the task manager it only shows we have 733mb of ram on the phone and that its supposed to have 1gb. I know the system takes up a lot of ram and that's why it shows that. So my question is, does touch wiz use up that much ram? I thought tw was a "light" overlay. I remember when I had a rezound the recommendation for the supercharger script was 1000hp. Sense is supposed to be a "heavy" overlay right? Could it actually be lighter than tw? When I had an inspire it said to use 768hp, the same as now with the Note. But the inspire is "last year's" tech. I would expect the Note to be up there with the Rezound. Maybe this is why we are seeing lag sometimes? ICS seems worse in the ram usage department (600-something in the task manager). It just seems to me that the system is using up an incredible amount of resources that I haven't seen happen on other phones even with sense on them. Whenever I use the script and it recommends 768 it makes me think something is wrong and that's why we have the lag that we do. Thoughts?
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I have the same question.
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My wifes samsung galaxy s2 shows 832mb that's weird?....ours is lower?....good question ?
I heard the same that touch wiz was the lightest... I haven't really messed with my note just yet, but that is a good question hopefully someone has the answer...
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Free ram is wasted ram.
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no, touchwiz doesnt use up all that portion of ram. these reserved memory, as u mentioned already, is reserved for the system. for instance, your graphical display and other devices etc
i know nothing about the supercharger script, coz i don use that, but i can tell u touchwiz does eat more memory than other launchers. on the other hand, the huge memory usage in the galaxy note or android 2.3+ (esp 4.0+) devices is a result of the tasks triggered by the system like google mail service and the like, and thus slower operations due to limited free memory availability
may be i didnt get to the point, but hope this helps u understand more
SkizzMcNizz said:
I noticed while I was using the supercharger script that it recommended to use option 8 which is 768hp and not option 9 1000hp. I've read some threads before about people asking why in the task manager it only shows we have 733mb of ram on the phone and that its supposed to have 1gb. I know the system takes up a lot of ram and that's why it shows that. So my question is, does touch wiz use up that much ram? I thought tw was a "light" overlay. I remember when I had a rezound the recommendation for the supercharger script was 1000hp. Sense is supposed to be a "heavy" overlay right? Could it actually be lighter than tw? When I had an inspire it said to use 768hp, the same as now with the Note. But the inspire is "last year's" tech. I would expect the Note to be up there with the Rezound. Maybe this is why we are seeing lag sometimes? ICS seems worse in the ram usage department (600-something in the task manager). It just seems to me that the system is using up an incredible amount of resources that I haven't seen happen on other phones even with sense on them. Whenever I use the script and it recommends 768 it makes me think something is wrong and that's why we have the lag that we do. Thoughts?
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Our phones do have extra features that those phones do not. I have no idea if this is right or not, but maybe the extra RAM usage comes from the system needing to recognize when we are using the S Pen at any given time. That would explain the difference between GSII and Note.
prayii said:
Our phones do have extra features that those phones do not. I have no idea if this is right or not, but maybe the extra RAM usage comes from the system needing to recognize when we are using the S Pen at any given time. That would explain the difference between GSII and Note.
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This has always been my thought on the subject as well.
Ics uses more memory than GB. Thats why its only 624 mb of Ram free not to mention the S pen configuration loaded into the OS.
-Once you go NOTE, you'd say 4 inches a Joke
SKyRocKeting727 said:
Ics uses more memory than GB. Thats why its only 624 mb of Ram free not to mention the S pen configuration loaded into the OS.
-Once you go NOTE, you'd say 4 inches a Joke
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We're trying to understand why that is like that on our phone and not other newer phones
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I think its because the Note uses the Tablet platform. Certain apps and programs run in tablet mode automatically. Then again, im just taking a stab at the dark.
-Once you go NOTE, you'd say 4 inches a Joke
SKyRocKeting727 said:
I think its because the Note uses the Tablet platform. Certain apps and programs run in tablet mode automatically. Then again, im just taking a stab at the dark.
-Once you go NOTE, you'd say 4 inches a Joke
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I see what you're saying
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Actually, I cant find the post right now but a developer has already explained that the 250 MB that you are not seeing (750+250 = 1GB) is shared video memory being utilized by the GPU.
The resolution on the Note is significantly higher than most which is why it needs 250 MB dedicated for video alone.
littlewierdo said:
Actually, I cant find the post right now but a developer has already explained that the 250 MB that you are not seeing (750+250 = 1GB) is shared video memory being utilized by the GPU.
The resolution on the Note is significantly higher than most which is why it needs 250 MB dedicated for video alone.
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^ this...it works just like cheap laptops that don't have a dedicated video card. Some of the RAM is "stolen" and allocated towards VRAM.
I think we have our answers. Thanks guys for the posts.
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So, I noticed a bit of odd behavior and wanted to double check with you all.
I had enough background processes running that ended up leaving less than 150mb of free RAM. Every time I hit the home button, Sense 4 would reload. I figured I would uninstall any programs (in this case Open Signal and switched from swype to the HTC keyboard) so that the phone would have more than 150mb RAM and voila, no more reloads.
Has anyone experienced this behavior under similar conditions?
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I was having the same problem with my HTC one x so I got ride of some home screens and widgets I didn't check to see how much what ram was left I'll start paying attention though thanks for the info
I'm beginning to think Sense may be a resource hog. I was quite sure phones didn't need more than 1GB of RAM yet, but Sense is proving me wrong. When MikLatTE comes out, perhaps I'll root and unlock my phone. I know Mik's ROMs are always optimized while providing an enhanced stock experience.
sense sucks nut sacks. only gripe I have had with HTC products.
on a lighter note... apex=massive win and uses.......... omf..... 20 MB of ram. hmmm.
oh damn look at that 56 hrs up time and 240
MB of mem free.
*Dr evil voice* "sense... ur soo... riiiiiigggghhht"
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cobraboy85 said:
sense sucks nut sacks. only gripe I have had with HTC products.
on a lighter note... apex=massive win and uses.......... omf..... 20 MB of ram. hmmm.
oh damn look at that 56 hrs up time and 240
MB of mem free.
*Dr evil voice* "sense... ur soo... riiiiiigggghhht"
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I don't know if I understood any of that....
Back when LauncherPro was the best launcher available, I used it. It eventually because too bloated and ran slowly on my 4G, but I still loved it for the scrolling dock and customizable home screens. The developer eventually decided to do a complete re-write, but never delivered. Rumors are he is still working on it, but I gave up hope about a year ago when he was about eight months in and didn't offer any updates.
I honestly don't have a problem with Sense. I wish the dock could scroll to give us more access to apps along the bottom of the screen, but I don't seem to run very many apps on my phone anyway.
I have 120mb free according to my task manager and get no reloads at all. I am running the stock with goodies rom.
And isn't unused ram wasted ram? I'd rather the phone use all it can even if it doesn't need it. It is unfortunate the processes the phone chooses to close when it does need more ram are not the best choices at times though, like the launcher.
I'm not even able to get under 150 mb lol. I'm trying. I'm playing music, have 2 browser windows, on the XDA app, checked Facebook and then checked twitter. I assume the phone is aggressively closing apps behind me? I have it set to only all 4 processes. Maybe that's it?
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This thread motivated me to freeze some apps and free up some ram eg HTC launcher since I'm running nova launcher.
My launcher redraws have been a lot less frequent.
Evo_Shift said:
I have 120mb free according to my task manager and get no reloads at all. I am running the stock with goodies rom.
And isn't unused ram wasted ram? I'd rather the phone use all it can even if it doesn't need it. It is unfortunate the processes the phone chooses to close when it does need more ram are not the best choices at times though, like the launcher.
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i do wonder if the stock with goodies rom has some differences in memory management... definitely should stop closing the launcher! lol
Quis89 said:
I'm not even able to get under 150 mb lol. I'm trying. I'm playing music, have 2 browser windows, on the XDA app, checked Facebook and then checked twitter. I assume the phone is aggressively closing apps behind me? I have it set to only all 4 processes. Maybe that's it?
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yeah i heard the 4 processes helps, but i tried that and it didn't make a difference. widgets and things that are always open in the background like widget locker do seem to make a significant difference on RAM usage. most of my reloads seemed to happen after checking facebook.
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This thread motivated me to freeze some apps and free up some ram eg HTC launcher since I'm running nova launcher.
My launcher redraws have been a lot less frequent.
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well that's a good sign that we're on the right track. :good:
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I don't know if I understood any of that....
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So it WASN'T just me, lol!
I've got way less than 150MB and never have any problems
I think its a multitask issue with HTC one series phones. Although I have personally seen the galaxy s 3 fall below 150mb ram. But it doesn't have the reloading bug. I'm sure 1gb ram is enough.
slowfncar said:
I think its a multitask issue with HTC one series phones. Although I have personally seen the galaxy s 3 fall below 150mb ram. But it doesn't have the reloading bug. I'm sure 1gb ram is enough.
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I've got the solution.
In an effort to lighten my ONE XL ATT i check "dont keep backgroud activities" in developers options.
This turn out to be a mistake and android keeps killing sense
so if any of you checked this
uncheck it
Root, run the latest version of the V6 SuperCharger for ICS, let it do its thing including the adjust on the system jar, comment out echoes to minfree and adj files in the MSM8960 block of /etc/init.qcom.post_boot.sh and the problem will go away on the Evo LTE.
bone stock here, looking at 120 ram right now.. no reloads no problems. nothing of the sort
EarlyMon said:
Root, run the latest version of the V6 SuperCharger for ICS, let it do its thing including the adjust on the system jar, comment out echoes to minfree and adj files in the MSM8960 block of /etc/init.qcom.post_boot.sh and the problem will go away on the Evo LTE.
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Running meanrom v17,is that still advisable.?
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Running meanrom v17,is that still advisable.?
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MeanROM already has the services.jar fix from the supercharger. Which sets your default launcher to OOM priority =4
chessmyantidrug said:
Back when LauncherPro was the best launcher available, I used it. It eventually because too bloated and ran slowly on my 4G, but I still loved it for the scrolling dock and customizable home screens. The developer eventually decided to do a complete re-write, but never delivered. Rumors are he is still working on it, but I gave up hope about a year ago when he was about eight months in and didn't offer any updates.
I honestly don't have a problem with Sense. I wish the dock could scroll to give us more access to apps along the bottom of the screen, but I don't seem to run very many apps on my phone anyway.
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Try using 'Go Launcher'... that's what I'm using.
No re-loads at all.
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Hi!
Because of the low memory issue in the International edition, I request for all Kernel Dev's that implement the possibility of the use of Swap file.
There are programs that make and use this Swap file to get more free RAM, but this programs needs that the Kernel support it.
Like :
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...sMSwxLDEsIm9yZy5hemFzb2Z0LmZyZWUuc3dhcHBlciJd
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=lv.n3o.swapper2&feature=nav_other
What do you think?
Cheers!
P.D:sorry for my bad english.
I think you are in the wrong section. There is a dedicated section for questions and not in the Development thread
What Low memory issue??? We have 1GB of RAM (almost) on the device! Everything works smooth on the phone!
maybe he wanna say that free memories are from 2xx~3xx mb only, which is actually less than S2 even S3 also has 1GB ram.
If the files can increase more free ram, it would be good for some heavy games and softwares to run more smoothly.
Wrong forum, but indeed I agree.
It's virtually impossible to run 2 heavy programs at once. One of them will always close when it's in the background, even if it implements a Service.
For example, Waze - It closes whenever I receive a phone call.
Just annoying. Problems I never had on S II
eitama said:
Wrong forum, but indeed I agree.
It's virtually impossible to run 2 heavy programs at once. One of them will always close when it's in the background, even if it implements a Service.
For example, Waze - It closes whenever I receive a phone call.
Just annoying. Problems I never had on S II
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This is exactly that I mean.
Sorry for the mistake to put this topic in this subforum, please, any mod move it to the correct section.
Cheers!
Wow, I definitely want this! Kernel devs : please implement this!!!
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Swap will make the phone lag terribly since the ssd writing/reading speeds are far inferior to what you neel for normal operations.
It also makes sure the internal/external storage will not live very long.
While it's a good idea to combat memory issues, paging to disk is not suitable for normal situations.
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Haha we have not needed swap since the days of the HTC hero
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d4fseeker said:
Swap will make the phone lag terribly since the ssd writing/reading speeds are far inferior to what you neel for normal operations.
It also makes sure the internal/external storage will not live very long.
While it's a good idea to combat memory issues, paging to disk is not suitable for normal situations.
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Swap file to internal SD: max speed 26MB/s I think there is not a problem, but I prefer more memory. And I tell that implement the function and optional you can enable it, if you don't want you don't need to enable.
Cheers!
Can I ask you why you think you have low memory?
please select one of the following:
1) Phone going so slow it takes age to do anything I ask
2) Apps keep getting killed mid-use
3) I have looked at the numbers and they look low....
I can't choose any option. I want to explain:
-I open Internet Browser and open a Web with many videos, photos, etc, and browser closes itself.
-Open 1 game (NOVA3 for example), then put it on background to see a Web Page or check email... or open the Web browser, open 3 Webs then go to email to check, then go again to browser and all is closed, the phone needs to open all Webs again (in this case is your first option).
I think that you prefer a UNIX computer with 256MB of RAM than a UNIX computer with 16GB of RAM because you optimize the 256MB of RAM. I prefer waste memory (really don't waste it) because I want to RUN many programs at the same time.
Sorry for my very bad english, because I can't explain exactly what I want.
I'm SYSADMIN and I know what I say.
Cheers.
I understand where your coming from but I think you have failed to understand the purpose of multi-tasking on a phone (and the reason that not many phones have more than 1gb of ram yet).
Multi-tasking on a phone is designed to let you go from webpage to sms, or music to email etc, i.e. between smaller, less hungry apps.
Switching between a high ram usage game and other things is always going to be a problem, the phone was never designed to allow you to multi-task while gaming.
I know that this is a phone, not a Core I7 - 16GB RAM - SSD with Windows 7 Ultimate, but, Did you have a SGS2? with SGS2 you can make what you want and you don't have this problems off memory.
I said an example of a Web page with a lot of videos and photos that make Browser closed., not only with Games.
This is Why I want to try the Swap file. Off course if the phone goes slow down I'll prefer no Swap file, but I think that is a good idea.
Perhaps with a new firmware update Samsung solve this issue...
Cheers!
Off course if the phone goes slow down I'll prefer no Swap file, but I think that is a good idea.
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Have you ever had your Windows computer have to heavily page to disk (aka swap)? Even with my OCZ Vertex4 it's unbearable.
Just get rid of all the background apps (such as AllShare) that the S3 has running and you should be better off, it got rid of any hint of memory underrun I my had.
Get Houmiak TaskManager from market, find out which apps are running and freeze them in Titanium Backup. Problem solved
Lennyuk said:
I understand where your coming from but I think you have failed to understand the purpose of multi-tasking on a phone (and the reason that not many phones have more than 1gb of ram yet).
Multi-tasking on a phone is designed to let you go from webpage to sms, or music to email etc, i.e. between smaller, less hungry apps.
Switching between a high ram usage game and other things is always going to be a problem, the phone was never designed to allow you to multi-task while gaming.
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You are wrong.
This is my 4th Android phone.
Multitasking between several Applications which implement the Service Android Class should be possible without any of the services being killed.
I don't care about the Activity. I care about the service.
Example :
I run Torque & Waze at the same time and tend to skip between them.
If I receive an incoming call, they are both killed because of low memory.
How do I know? when I go back to either of them, the state is not kept, and waze even complains about not being stopped correctly.
Believe me I removed ANY resident useless services, uninstall about 30 system apps from wanam lite using titanium pro, and still, no good.
These things used to work on older phones like SGSII and Galaxy Note and even SGS I with stock samsung roms.
There is no reason SGS III should suffer regression in this department.
It is very easy to understand that while samsung have added plenty of "Cool" features to the phone, they have left us with an overwhelming amount of garbage. I want smart stay, I want usb OTG, I want the camera app, I want Touchwiz dialer and I want HDMI,
But not at the expense of basic use-cases.
Hell, on the Galaxy Note I was sometimes shocked at the amount of Activities left in the ram, I was impressed. Having 10 apps running in task manager. And no, I never closed them. I don't used task killers, and I don't care about "Free" ram.
I care about my Applications life cycle which sadly sucks on SGS III.
BTW, Galaxy Note had the same screen resolution give or take as the SGS III.
Something is terribly under optimized.
600MB used just by core crap.
PS. I am angry at samsung, not at you, apologies if I sound harsh.
It's also aggravating when posters here instantly assume other posters only care about Free ram. HERE - TAKE MY FREE RAM.
About the swap to sdcard, I'm not sure that is the solution.
But I am sure we need "A" solution.
Edit:
If anyone knows how I can understand exactly which process/app/apk/activiy/service is taking how much, I would happily compare it to Galaxy Note. I'm sure we will find basic applications taking too much.
If it's the GPU reserving too much memory, I am willing to settle for less GPU ram while not running games. Hell, the Galaxy Note was not that slower then SGS III
It even preserved me a lot of time which I now waste on Navigating multiple times with waze when it is closed because of a phone call.
Don't know if this has anything to with it as I haven't received my S3 yet. With the HTCOneX I had this problem as well. Then I found out, that in the
"settings".
in the "development section"
"Don't keep activities" which is unticked by default. One has to tick it ( I went on recent apps to make sure it would be saved) and then untick it again. Afterwards the HTC1X was quite cabable of multitasking. The default setting seems to have some hybrid impact and has to be set straight by hand.
Hopefully this helps your issue.
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You are wrong.
This is my 4th Android phone.
Multitasking between several Applications which implement the Service Android Class should be possible without any of the services being killed.
I don't care about the Activity. I care about the service.
Example :
I run Torque & Waze at the same time and tend to skip between them.
If I receive an incoming call, they are both killed because of low memory.
How do I know? when I go back to either of them, the state is not kept, and waze even complains about not being stopped correctly.
Believe me I removed ANY resident useless services, uninstall about 30 system apps from wanam lite using titanium pro, and still, no good.
These things used to work on older phones like SGSII and Galaxy Note and even SGS I with stock samsung roms.
There is no reason SGS III should suffer regression in this department.
It is very easy to understand that while samsung have added plenty of "Cool" features to the phone, they have left us with an overwhelming amount of garbage. I want smart stay, I want usb OTG, I want the camera app, I want Touchwiz dialer and I want HDMI,
But not at the expense of basic use-cases.
Hell, on the Galaxy Note I was sometimes shocked at the amount of Activities left in the ram, I was impressed. Having 10 apps running in task manager. And no, I never closed them. I don't used task killers, and I don't care about "Free" ram.
I care about my Applications life cycle which sadly sucks on SGS III.
BTW, Galaxy Note had the same screen resolution give or take as the SGS III.
Something is terribly under optimized.
600MB used just by core crap.
PS. I am angry at samsung, not at you, apologies if I sound harsh.
It's also aggravating when posters here instantly assume other posters only care about Free ram. HERE - TAKE MY FREE RAM.
About the swap to sdcard, I'm not sure that is the solution.
But I am sure we need "A" solution.
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If anyone knows how I can understand exactly which process/app/apk/activiy/service is taking how much, I would happily compare it to Galaxy Note. I'm sure we will find basic applications taking too much.
If it's the GPU reserving too much memory, I am willing to settle for less GPU ram while not running games. Hell, the Galaxy Note was not that slower then SGS III
It even preserved me a lot of time which I now waste on Navigating multiple times with waze when it is closed because of a phone call.
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I'm completely with you on this.. .. I have had both the original galaxy, the s 2 the note and other Android phones with this one being my first where larger apps are closing due to low memory resources. I had Nova, my browser, videos, music, angry birds and other processes in the background on my s2 with only388megs used out of 863.... this phone, I load the browser and everything in the background closes with 675megs used out of 754.... not cool. There must be some kinda solution.. why is it that my note and s 2 have 140 more free ram anyways?
Can some one please explain why i see only 779 Mb of memory on my Galaxy S3
The rest is reserved for graphics
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out of 1024 mb only 778 or 779 is available for user because the rest is reserved for hardware and graphics
There's a recent topic by devoted developer Andreilux in original android development section regarding this issue, you should check it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1856133
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Thank you everyone for the clarification.
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aegeuss said:
There's a recent topic by devoted developer Andreilux in original android development section regarding this issue, you should check it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1856133
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wow thanks . imissed this thread
This is why I was so pissed when they gave the US versions of the SGS III 2GB of ram instead of the regular 1GB.
I know it only has a dual core but we could really use that extra GB...
Out of the 779, almost 550-600 MB are used, even during bootup.
Why?
eggman89 said:
Out of the 779, almost 550-600 MB are used, even during bootup.
Why?
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It's not used its being cached, that's the way android handles memory. Free memory = wasted memory in Android.
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bala_gamer said:
It's not used its being cached, that's the way android handles memory. Free memory = wasted memory in Android.
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Great but why multitasking in S3 is so f****d up compaired to s2?! For example if you let opera to download a bigger file in background you will have one surprise: download will fail cause the task manager will kill the app. This is not happening in s2. Or if you are playing a game and you receive a phone call if you speak more then, let's say 10 minutes the game is killed. Also not happening in s2.
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We have a bigger screen, more resolution, a bigger cpu and gpu etc. 1 gb of ram unfortunately simply is not enough for a quality multi taking. Please note Samsung has just announced Galaxy Note 2 with 2 gb of ram! So, instead of fine tuning ram with low level optimizations why not more muscle said they.
There are a few ways to free some ram and use a swap file to maximize ram usage. I got perfect results with hard swap and now waiting for a compatible kernel for JB.
Meanwhile please have a look at these topics: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1812668 and
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1814311
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I've been meaning to ask about this.
I keep getting redraw in the chrome browser which in turn loses the place I was reading. I'll come out of chrome and open up 2 apps (just recreated it by opening twitter and tv guide) then go back in chrome which will then refresh the page.
Is this a problem with memory usage or the launcher being useless (I'm running apex)?
I am rooted but it happened before root
Im using Apex and the same happens with me when using chrome sometimes. It doesnt refresh just redraws the screen, as if i manually refresh there is new data viewable on the page which wasnt there last time i was looking
I am using Galaxy S series from the beginning for years and I kind a feel like Samsung development team decided to move slightly different than we, the customers, wanted. I think somewhere along the road a guy from marketing department told them that it is better to come with new apps in each new phone than to polish what we have in hand. It may sound firm on paper but it sucks in real life. Now, I don't want to insult Samsung software developers in any way or to undermine their efforts in these devices but it's clear every time we have apps working with 75% productivity which is like updating your living room furniture without assembled with all texture for example. I don't want a phone with half baked, new and used applications but a device which is fully optimized.
I'll give you a very simple example: First Galaxy S came with Wolfson audio chip on it, which has still a very good quality. But there was a great place for improvement and a qualified developer, Supercurio, came with Voodoo sound which some of still use it to listen to music. It was that quality. Samsung decided to work with Yamaha in Galaxy S 2 which produced silly and funny results as we all know, which was a big mistake from Samsung team. Now they have included again Wolfson chipset in S 3, which is great. Now what do you expect as an ordinary customer? Samsung uses Wolfson again, they know very well about Supercurio and great Voodoo sound but instead of utilizing him we find that nothing has been done on Samsung side to utilise this. It's like giving a customer a live, unbucked chicken in a restaurant and to say him eat it himself. What is funny here, in ICS Siyah kernel, developer Gökhan Moral, used some parts of voodoo sound code and voila we have a way better sound in our S 3 devices with a two and half years of code. While we, the excited users are trying to get more from our devices the head of developers are sitting in Samsung center thinking about what a useless thing can I bring on the table next time instead of getting it better.
It's the same from the beginning in screen, memory, etc. The did choose not use a simple notification led stubbornly and deliberately for two phone versions for Christ's sake. And we are still waiting for Supercurio to come up with Display Expert who has been working on it for about two years for better color production, contrast, image quality etc. It's funny that many custom kernels use the feature for improving fonts readability. What I am saying is, it's Samsung who should be dealing with these fine tuning things in order for the customer to get the best benefit from the device, not excited developers. It seems to me Samsung is paying a useless salary to many people in software development.
Sorry, it's been a long post but this is what I feel about three years of Samsung experience. The reason I can not get angry to other manufacturers is that they just can't get a quality hardware. So there's not a place for development much in HTC, Sony, Motorola or LG products. Samsung comes with great hardware and spoils it by following HTC; they also used so much energy and time on Touch3D - Sense interface and forgot to improve the rest of the device. Samsung puts too much and unimportant effort to Touchwiz and forgets the rest software.
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imfromwales said:
Im using Apex and the same happens with me when using chrome sometimes. It doesnt refresh just redraws the screen, as if i manually refresh there is new data viewable on the page which wasnt there last time i was looking
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Yeah it's not great problem but it's a bit of ballache, I am thinking about flashing a different rom but waiting until JB has been released so maybe that will solve the problem.
puiradu2009 said:
Great but why multitasking in S3 is so f****d up compaired to s2?! For example if you let opera to download a bigger file in background you will have one surprise: download will fail cause the task manager will kill the app. This is not happening in s2. Or if you are playing a game and you receive a phone call if you speak more then, let's say 10 minutes the game is killed. Also not happening in s2.
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Regardless of the mobile higher memory utilization will trigger task killing in the background, s2 didn't had this problem because it consumed less memory. S3 uses more memory, but still by tweaking it properly you can minimise taks killing. Disabling some unwanted apps in stock rom will release more memory and thus in turn reduce the chances of task getting killed.
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bala_gamer said:
It's not used its being cached, that's the way android handles memory. Free memory = wasted memory in Android.
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thats not true at all free ram not wasted ram , when the system start to kill apps and launcher u will not be happy at all :silly::silly:
Hey guys am using HTC one V,but am not satisfied with that so i have an idea to buy a new phone HTC Desire X.
i have checked in many websites about the phones's user comments.
Most of them are saying that they have some random reboot problem without rooted & hangs while sharing in bluetooth & produce much heat while browsing and all.
please suggest me shall i buy Desire X or not...
please help me guys:crying:
udhayababu said:
Hey guys am using HTC one V,but am not satisfied with that so i have an idea to buy a new phone HTC Desire X.
i have checked in many websites about the phones's user comments.
Most of them are saying that they have some random reboot problem without rooted & hangs while sharing in bluetooth & produce much heat while browsing and all.
please suggest me shall i buy Desire X or not...
please help me guys:crying:
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Nah... Just buy a One S or a Nexus 4
The Android Manual said:
Nah... Just buy a One S or a Nexus 4
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tanx bro:laugh:
Nothing wrong with the Desire X at all.
Mine works fine with ICS. I am waiting for the latest JB to come out bugless:fingers-crossed:
I just had a LCD screen issue that the suppliers fixed under warranty.
The phone does everything that it is supposed to do.
If you look after your phone, it will look after you.
ORA
ORA 1 said:
Nothing wrong with the Desire X at all.
Mine works fine with ICS. I am waiting for the latest JB to come out bugless:fingers-crossed:
I just had a LCD screen issue that the suppliers fixed under warranty.
The phone does everything that it is supposed to do.
If you look after your phone, it will look after you.
ORA
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Is the jb update is conformed?:laugh:
yes, look at name of threads or google
and beware, there are some grammar nazis who would eat you alive for last post
btw if you have enough funding, get some nexus device (as much as I like my dx, I had to say that)
I can tell you that I am very happy with my Desire X, when running on a custom rom it is incredibly fast, especially for this price.
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knielen said:
I can tell you that I am very happy with my Desire X, when running on a custom rom it is incredibly fast, especially for this price.
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exactly, best price/performance ratio I have ever seen in smartphone area, but still, it isnt flagship, never was intended to be, never will be. If you want good phone for good price, go for it, I can only recomend. If you want really high-end phone, or just bigger screen, there are other options, but not DX.
if you have a low budget then buy this phone... its not that big and super fast for games and others...
if you can afford a more expensive phone then buy something better
but just to know that devs started working a lot on this phone and it will become a lot faster
Am looking phone for gaming without lags
which is best for tat?
not much costlier
I would say go for Samsung Galaxy S3 Mini . It's got 1GB RAM , more internal storage and a better graphic chipset .
It's just a little more expensive .
One of my friends has it and it just feels alot more polished and smooth . The extra-RAM are no big deal though . I can play NOVA 3 on my DX and still have about 100mb+ free RAM , but on S3M it lags less . I guess the graphic chipset helps alot .
Uizz.UW said:
I would say go for Samsung Galaxy S3 Mini . It's got 1GB RAM , more internal storage and a better graphic chipset .
It's just a little more expensive .
One of my friends has it and it just feels alot more polished and smooth . The extra-RAM are no big deal though . I can play NOVA 3 on my DX and still have about 100mb+ free RAM , but on S3M it lags less . I guess the graphic chipset helps alot .
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"Free ram" is windows bull****, android has nothing to do with windows or the way how they works or handle ram, since its basicaly a linux distro...
mindlesSheep said:
"Free ram" is windows bull****, android has nothing to do with windows or the way how they works or handle ram, since its basicaly a linux distro...
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Ok, why dont you try and open as many apps until the ram is full. Then try to use your phone, see what happens.
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angel.grin said:
Ok, why dont you try and open as many apps until the ram is full. Then try to use your phone, see what happens.
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Free RAM = Wasted RAM. Full RAM = Awesome Multitasking.
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Stereo8 said:
Free RAM = Wasted RAM. Full RAM = Awesome Multitasking.
Sent from my awesome, stock, Nexus7!
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Nope do some tests before you say that. In windows when the ram is full or already used or the program needs more the program crashes then you have to close/exit it manually. In android the system closes apps automatically to free up more ram for the app that you are currently using. More free ram= less lag. Ever wonder why there are so many scripts for ram/memory managment if free ram is useless. Anyway no use convincing you. Hehe just sharing what i understand. Cheers
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The Android Manual said:
Nah... Just buy a One S or a Nexus 4
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The Nexus 4 is nice yes, but still not the best, it has many problems and features that didn't work right and some bugs which Google didn't fix for many updates....
If you have enough money, I would choose the new HTC One
ORA 1 said:
Nothing wrong with the Desire X at all.
The phone does everything that it is supposed to do.
If you look after your phone, it will look after you.
ORA
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Yes that's the point ^^ The Desire X is not the very best High-End phone, but it is still a very nice and great working phone with good performance
I love it <3
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udhayababu said:
Am looking phone for gaming without lags
which is best for tat?
not much costlier
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desire x is a good device dont bother looking for galaxy s3 mini its not released nor will it release in india.The nexus 4 if released at the US price point is an excellent buy else if from what i have heard @500$ seems kindof pricey.
Look at LAVA XOLO Q800,Micromax Canvas HD, Spice Titanium s1 ,and all the other local brands if you aren't so hung up about custom roms(I for one am).
If you are willing to wait for say a month or so there is Xperia L(Available for preorder) ,Optimus L9 And ofcourse there is Galaxy Grand.
EDIT: #zen-mode-ON
the desire X is the true choice of Needs and Wants it is actually everything that you need(yes gaming is also very good eg Dead Trigger). But then what exactly you want a 10 inch screen 16 core processor 1TB ram the demands are endless so you have gotta make a choice a balance between needs and wants.
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Nope do some tests before you say that. In windows when the ram is full or already used or the program needs more the program crashes then you have to close/exit it manually. In android the system closes apps automatically to free up more ram for the app that you are currently using. More free ram= less lag. Ever wonder why there are so many scripts for ram/memory managment if free ram is useless. Anyway no use convincing you. Hehe just sharing what i understand. Cheers
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I am not saying that every last piece of ram is used by cache, after phone reboot, you have plenty of free ram, until you start acctualy use apps and fill cache a bit, but linux is working with ram not unlike windows, you said that yourself. I never said memory management is useless, ofc it is usefull, a lot, my point was that claiming "I can play NOVA 3 on my DX and still have about 100mb+ free RAM" has same value as "I had pancakes yesterday" ... I could have, while playing nova 3 much more free ram if I am after phone reboot (and plenty of other ways), I can have less free ram if I used plenty of apps before, it still wont change quality of gameplay, smoothness or anything (unless you really try to make it laggy with anything you have got, which is possible ofc).
quick edit: I am multitasker, I have never met any lag apart from starting apps and other "regular ones" android is handling this pretty good
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I am not saying that every last piece of ram is used by cache, after phone reboot, you have plenty of free ram, until you start acctualy use apps and fill cache a bit, but linux is working with ram not unlike windows, you said that yourself. I never said memory management is useless, ofc it is usefull, a lot, my point was that claiming "I can play NOVA 3 on my DX and still have about 100mb+ free RAM" has same value as "I had pancakes yesterday" ... I could have, while playing nova 3 much more free ram if I am after phone reboot (and plenty of other ways), I can have less free ram if I used plenty of apps before, it still wont change quality of gameplay, smoothness or anything (unless you really try to make it laggy with anything you have got, which is possible ofc).
quick edit: I am multitasker, I have never met any lag apart from starting apps and other "regular ones" android is handling this pretty good
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ok got your point.i have a different experience so maybe we have different opinions. no point in debating. cheers
to the ts. i really dont like the cpu and gpu combo in the dx.. gpu not that good.. if it had a better gpu maybe i would buy this. go find a device with a good gpu from mid to high. this is just low end gpu. adreno 203 < sgx 531 based on my experience and benchmarks. so better find a cellphone with a good gpu that how i choose a new phone though.
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I am not saying that every last piece of ram is used by cache, after phone reboot, you have plenty of free ram, until you start acctualy use apps and fill cache a bit, but linux is working with ram not unlike windows, you said that yourself. I never said memory management is useless, ofc it is usefull, a lot, my point was that claiming "I can play NOVA 3 on my DX and still have about 100mb+ free RAM" has same value as "I had pancakes yesterday" ... I could have, while playing nova 3 much more free ram if I am after phone reboot (and plenty of other ways), I can have less free ram if I used plenty of apps before, it still wont change quality of gameplay, smoothness or anything (unless you really try to make it laggy with anything you have got, which is possible ofc).
quick edit: I am multitasker, I have never met any lag apart from starting apps and other "regular ones" android is handling this pretty good
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I didn't mean that having more free RAM is a bonus , I just wanted to point out that RAM is not something to take into consideration when gaming . Speciffically , that it's got more than enough for any high-end game . Having enough or more than enough are both better than NOT having enough at all .
Indeed I am a lot more familiar with Windows' way of dealing with RAM , however I've seen how Linux works as well , and even though you are right in saying that using more RAM grants you better multitasking , the way Android handles the RAM on the DX is far from perfect . From my experience , Samsung devices manage RAM A LOT better than any other brand I've tried so far (at least on low / middle end devices) . HTC doesn't do a bad job , but it's not to be praised either , at least not on the DX . Then again , look at an LG's RAM management and you'll most likely start crying xD !