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First and foremost, and I post this topic to mean no disrespect what-so-ever
I say again, I mean absolutely no disrespect. Now to my topic. Why does everyone on this board dedicate so much time and effort to a phone that is completely obsolete? Don't get me wrong, I still have my Droid Eris and I use it each and every day, but when my contract is up I am going to be getting a/the newer/newest phone out there. I just can't come to grips with why so many people dedicate so much time to putting together these roms and updates for a phone that is in several respects dead technology.
I mean no disrespect, and perhaps there is an explanation out there that I can't comprehend at the moment, but as I see it there are bigger and better things out there to spend time and work on.
I appreciate all the hard work that has been put into this phone by all the developers associated with these works... but a certain point a white flag must be raised. These 3.0 Sense roms that are popping up left and right... they are not intended for the Droid Eris, so why waste your time trying to make these work in perfect working condition, because let's face it, they won't. You're fighting a battle that cannot and will not be one. There will come a day that you may look back and wonder why time was wasted on this phone.
My $.02 with $.05 extra.
No disrespect, but why did you just spend so much time nay saying something that others clearly enjoy doing (developers) and using (users, obviously). You might look back at this tomorrow and wonder...
Part of the fun is getting a dead technology to work better than others think it possibly can (HTC, Verizon, you)
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Because these developers have been able to take "dead technology" and get it running faster than the newest phone out there. My Eris currently out runs my wifes TB and also runs the newest software that currently isn't available to her phone without root, so I give much respect to the devs for what they can do.
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NPH- said:
First and foremost, and I post this topic to mean no disrespect what-so-ever
I say again, I mean absolutely no disrespect. Now to my topic. Why does everyone on this board dedicate so much time and effort to a phone that is completely obsolete? Don't get me wrong, I still have my Droid Eris and I use itu each and every day, but when my contract is up I am going to be getting a/the newer/newest phone out there. I just can't come to grips with why so many people dedicate so much time to putting together these roms and updates for a phone that is in several respects dead technology.
I mean no disrespect, and perhaps there is an explanation out there that I can't comprehend at the moment, but as I see it there are bigger and better things out there to spend time and work on.
I appreciate all the hard work that has been put into this phone by all the developers associated with these works... but a certain point a white flag must be raised. These 3.0 Sense roms that are popping up left and right... they are not intended for the Droid Eris, so why waste your time trying to make these work in perfect working condition, because let's face it, they won't. You're fighting a battle that cannot and will not be one. There will come a day that you may look back and wonder why time was wasted on this phone.
My $.02 with $.05 extra.
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Because its fun proving big red and HTC wrong and people still have this phone..y should they be left behind ...just like the hero ,g1 , also are still chugging along ..
And also...I have nothing else to do.. I'm disabled
No disrespect, Btw, you wont beleive, This phone is just launched in india,
http://www.mtsindia.in/smartphone/products.htm
There are lots of people still using G1, hero, droid eris technology.
now, for doing into deep in any technology, we need to learn some dead technology, we need to learn basics for being high.
We still learn C language, do you thing people use software developed in turbo 'C'.
Second thing is FUN, You might waste time in playing golf, watching porn playing PSP games etc etc.
Developer here like there time to be wasted in porting rom. sorry no disrespect.
If someone donate developers a high End phone then they might waste their time in alive technology.
Even though they have highend phone they still love to port for droid eris. Its all fun, way of thinking.
please dont take me wrong in any way, please.
You are right in some point, I agree with you. But unless and untill i didnt get any highend phone, I have to stick with it. I am a learner, before jumping to sensation. let me wash my hands to droid eris
Thanks to developer like, erasmux, tazz, macrodroid, workshed and manymore, bcoz of them we really get some good rom here. Its there work only for fun. (no $$$$)
Not everyone can afford the latest and greatest phone out there.
Why is anyone dedicated to anything? In the end the solar system will be swallowed up by the sun.
Because They Can
Im one of those that cant afford one of the newer phones and was just given this phone a couple months ago. If it wasnt for these great developers my experience with this phone would be much less enjoyable.
So to all the Devs in this forum I thank you for all your hard work and please keep up the good work.
Why do people enjoy solving puzzles? It is fun and rewarding. There is always room to make these devices better than they were when we bought them.
The Eris is still my only phone and some people are in the same situation. I am extremely grateful for the devs' work. There was a time when people said that the Eris would NEVER be able to handle Gingerbread. On the contrary, it runs gingerbread better than any other version of Android. It is amazing that this phone keeps becoming more and more powerful. These devs make our phones feel future proof.
NPH- said:
First and foremost, and I post this topic to mean no disrespect what-so-ever
I say again, I mean absolutely no disrespect. Now to my topic. Why does everyone on this board dedicate so much time and effort to a phone that is completely obsolete? Don't get me wrong, I still have my Droid Eris and I use it each and every day, but when my contract is up I am going to be getting a/the newer/newest phone out there. I just can't come to grips with why so many people dedicate so much time to putting together these roms and updates for a phone that is in several respects dead technology.
I mean no disrespect, and perhaps there is an explanation out there that I can't comprehend at the moment, but as I see it there are bigger and better things out there to spend time and work on.
I appreciate all the hard work that has been put into this phone by all the developers associated with these works... but a certain point a white flag must be raised. These 3.0 Sense roms that are popping up left and right... they are not intended for the Droid Eris, so why waste your time trying to make these work in perfect working condition, because let's face it, they won't. You're fighting a battle that cannot and will not be one. There will come a day that you may look back and wonder why time was wasted on this phone.
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My guess would be... the same reason you wasted your time starting this thread.... they enjoy it.
My next thought would be this... If you don't get/can't comprehend why the devs are still making roms for the Eris... unroot your Eris, use it stock and don't use any of the ROMs and you won't have to worry about it
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Not everyone can afford the latest and greatest phone out there.
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^THIS^ is why I am thankful for all the Devs that work on this "old obsolete" Eris!
Or maybe not even that. I'm still under contract until April with my Eris. I'm not the primary on this account, so I have to wait my 2 years in order to get a discount.
Plus many enjoy the challenge of porting the OS to older hardware.
The CM team still maintains support for the original production Android phone, the G1.
Since the G1 and Eris are still very similar in performance and specs having them tweak CM to run decently on the G1 helps the Eris.
I think other than the Nexus 1, all the phones with the trackball are pretty much the same performance-wise. All have a ~500 Mhz Arm V6 CPU.
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My guess would be... the same reason you wasted your time starting this thread.... they enjoy it.
My next thought would be this... If you don't get/can't comprehend why the devs are still making roms for the Eris... unroot your Eris, use it stock and don't use any of the ROMs and you won't have to worry about it
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Well said...
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I can honestly say the eris is the phone I have the longest in all my years owning a cell phone. Yeah there are new and flashy phones that always come out but since rooting and loading zach's pure vanilla rom on it i haven't looked back. My contract is up in october and I have no plans on upgrading before then and maybe even after that. The eris dev's are excellent and they have really extended the life of the eris well past its scheduled funeral.
old is gold.
Funny...I do actually get this same question from some of the folks I know who have jumped and continue to jump on the latest and greatest that comes out. I used to be that way too. Then I explain to them the way they do in those Visa commercials....
Cost of donating to the developers for their hard work $ a few bucks here and there...(this is the most important one! )
Cost of upgrading to the latest and greatest phone $0 dollars
Cost of watching the phone guy at Best Buy mobile look at my phone and say "wow...your running that? ....on that phone????"........ $$$ PRICELESS
It's really very simple. People who stay with the Eris stay because either they like it just fine or can't afford to switch. Therefore, the efforts of devs which improve their experience are valiant and well worth. If you're unhappy with the Eris and can afford to switch go ahead and do so....and enjoy.
That being said, I see no useful or valid point in keeping this thread alive and personally wouldn't mind seeing it locked/deleted.
why they do it
NPH- said:
First and foremost, and I post this topic to mean no disrespect what-so-ever
I say again, I mean absolutely no disrespect. Now to my topic. Why does everyone on this board dedicate so much time and effort to a phone that is completely obsolete? Don't get me wrong, I still have my Droid Eris and I use it each and every day, but when my contract is up I am going to be getting a/the newer/newest phone out there. I just can't come to grips with why so many people dedicate so much time to putting together these roms and updates for a phone that is in several respects dead technology.
I mean no disrespect, and perhaps there is an explanation out there that I can't comprehend at the moment, but as I see it there are bigger and better things out there to spend time and work on.
I appreciate all the hard work that has been put into this phone by all the developers associated with these works... but a certain point a white flag must be raised. These 3.0 Sense roms that are popping up left and right... they are not intended for the Droid Eris, so why waste your time trying to make these work in perfect working condition, because let's face it, they won't. You're fighting a battle that cannot and will not be one. There will come a day that you may look back and wonder why time was wasted on this phone.
My $.02 with $.05 extra.
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Firstly,
I'd suggest the Eris doesn't have a "dead technology" just that there have been dramatic improvements in the hardware and hardware costs that are available to cellphone manufacturers of today compared to 2 years ago.
secondly,
for a cellphone manufacturer you get the most bang for your buck putting your software and hardware design engineers on the next best thing, rather than keeping an older model competitive... where would you put your money? continuing to optimize software for an old model (that you already got paid for) for better performance,or make the next phone really appealing to the consumer. It's the world of "planned obsolescence", and it keeps us buying newer phones from the manufacturers. The market's so huge, with so much competition that the development pace is very high.
on the Developers,
I'd suggest most of these guys seem have a passion for coding, so I'd guess making cleaner, more fully optimized code is the driver for them, the challenge of making a bit of old hardware competitive with the newer stuff seems like a complex puzzle, that they like solving... we just so happen to benefit from their passion.
You'll notice most of them don't ask for any type of payment, for what could be weeks and months of effort (in their free time), that's why it's nice to support a dev that's made something that saves you time or get a lot of use out of...
Keep up the good work everyone, I sincerely appreciate all the hard work!!!
First and foremost, and I post this reply to mean no disrespect what-so-ever
1) people still under contract
2) people unwilling/unable to purchase a newer phone
3) the phone is still very powerful.
4) most aren't yuppies that feel the need to upgrade everytime a company releases their sandbagged technology.
5) the foundation for learning how to develop rom's is here. learn here while the learning is good
truth be told, your post and this thread didn't need to be created at all. why do some people drive honda's and not just throw them away for a lexus? must be nice to have grown up with a silver spoon in ones mouth and have a view of the world that is disposable.
NPH- said:
First and foremost, and I post this topic to mean no disrespect what-so-ever
I say again, I mean absolutely no disrespect. Now to my topic. Why does everyone on this board dedicate so much time and effort to a phone that is completely obsolete? Don't get me wrong, I still have my Droid Eris and I use it each and every day, but when my contract is up I am going to be getting a/the newer/newest phone out there. I just can't come to grips with why so many people dedicate so much time to putting together these roms and updates for a phone that is in several respects dead technology.
I mean no disrespect, and perhaps there is an explanation out there that I can't comprehend at the moment, but as I see it there are bigger and better things out there to spend time and work on.
I appreciate all the hard work that has been put into this phone by all the developers associated with these works... but a certain point a white flag must be raised. These 3.0 Sense roms that are popping up left and right... they are not intended for the Droid Eris, so why waste your time trying to make these work in perfect working condition, because let's face it, they won't. You're fighting a battle that cannot and will not be one. There will come a day that you may look back and wonder why time was wasted on this phone.
My $.02 with $.05 extra.
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Because it's fun to see how far we can push these phones beyond their stated limits
Also for some devs i would gather it's experience too. Experience that could get them jobs, maybe even with the company that builds the phones you're deving on. Best way to learn something is to jump in and do it.
These phones are fairly cheap now and it seems it's one that had a lot of potential. I think we can all agree that HTC really didn't optimize it to it's fullest.
Unfortunately I'm moving away from the Photon, so will be discontinuing the guides. I'll poke my head in once and awhile and update any pertinent info. Time to pass on the torch...someone should begin another and request it stickied.
I enjoyed the MoPho...but one month after release it's way too quiet in here for me. I crave flashing goodness...and hear only crickets. I will be picking up the SGSII when it hits, and look forward to seeing some of you over there!
Thanks to Yay, Edgan, Kenneth, DCour, Baller, Mikey and others that have taken a stab at this great phone!
Good luck on your next phone. For me I am pretty pleased with how well this phone works stock. The two things I wanted in particular (root and webtop) were achieved amazingly quickly. While I look forward to a sexy fast custom rom with all the bells and whistles (and rock solid stability). I can wait for that, I am more then satisfied that the Photon has lived up to the hype. It's the first time a smart phone has done that for me.
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Bandage said:
Unfortunately I'm moving away from the Photon, so will be discontinuing the guides. I'll poke my head in once and awhile and update any pertinent info. Time to pass on the torch...someone should begin another and request it stickied.
I enjoyed the MoPho...but one month after release it's way too quiet in here for me. I crave flashing goodness...and hear only crickets. I will be picking up the SGSII when it hits, and look forward to seeing some of you over there!
Thanks to Yay, Edgan, Kenneth, DCour, Baller, Mikey and others that have taken a stab at this great phone!
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Damn man sucks to see you go. You will be missed. You still in your 30 days? How you going to get the SGSII, just pay full price? Anyways, hope all is well with that phone and I know they will have some great guides over there ;-) Good luck!
-DJ
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Damn man sucks to see you go. You will be missed. You still in your 30 days? How you going to get the SGSII, just pay full price? Anyways, hope all is well with that phone and I know they will have some great guides over there ;-) Good luck!
-DJ
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Yeah today was last day of 30 days...so I cancelled the line, started a new one with a Nexus S on it, and will swap for the SGSII when it comes along (rumor is 9/9/2011).
Thanks for the kind words DJ!!
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Yeah today was last day of 30 days...so I cancelled the line, started a new one with a Nexus S on it, and will swap for the SGSII when it comes along (rumor is 9/9/2011).
Thanks for the kind words DJ!!
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You know that you are allowed to switch it out 3 times which resets your 30 days every time right? guess its too late now but yes you are allowed to do that. That's what I did. they just swap you out a new photon and reset your 30 days. lol I loved it. Does help to have a good guy at sprint to deal with also
But like I said bud, good luck and you are very welcome.
I may do the same thing. I have my girl and her mom on my account I may just give my girl the Photon and use her mom's upgrade on the SGSII. Will see how it goes first though. Really like the Photon, it has a **** ton of potential! Really too bad Motorola can't get their head out of their ass and realize that's what keeps a majority of us around.
Take care o/
-DJ
newalker91 said:
This is rather disappointing. It's only quiet in here because the phone is still so young, bootloader was only recently unlocked. As soon as all the hardcore HTC fans start to realize this phone blows both Evo's out of the water, this place will be booming. Even if not, we have some very talented developers making feature rich stable roms. I was a flashaholic as well, but especially on phones such as the Evo well over half of the roms are just plain rubbish and aren't worth flashing. I'd hate to see that happen to the Photon and then deal with all of the people complaining that the phone doesn't work when they just loaded up half-functional software ripped from quality roms by a 12 year old.
Either way, hopefully you'll come back to this phone when we learn what major flaw the latest/greatest Samsung has. I gave up on them after all of their Android devices had major recurring defects, ones that I still see today in my tech centers. Moment/Intercept/Transform had way too little internal memory and the processor wore out quickly. Epic/Captivate/Vibrant all had borked GPS and suffered from random locking up/reboots. Nexus S 4G has terrible signal quality and terrible battery life. Replenish has been their worst yet, charging port shorts out causing it to say it's charging when it isn't and has gotten so hot that I've actually seen them brought in with melted LCD panels and it burnt the customer upon picking it up. I don't know how Samsung has avoided a lawsuit on that one. As for myself, I will not be picking up another Samsung device regardless of how amazing the specs look on paper. They can't seem to get their products fully functional.
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I agree completely. I was just looking at the SGS2 reviews and whatnot for the last hour or so. I honestly think the photon already has beat it. I remember my first Samsung phone from ATT, I forget what it was even called actually. I'm sure I could look it up but it was like almost a smartphone. I mean it was, but there was no market or anything and it was just what it was.
I will be staying here unless there is just no action moving forward. But I don't see that happening because like you said this is a great phone and we have only begun to unlock the powers it has, I cannot wait to see numbers when we have a proper kernel source and a proper kernel made for us. Stock my phone has hit over 2500 in Quadrant and I know other people have gotten higher. In Linpack it is hitting higher than some of the highest numbers ever recorded for linpack. So I really can't wait to see what this thing has when it is fully unleashed! It still is just the beginning.
-DJ
the sgs2 will be an amazing phone. shame i didnt catch ya in time >.> i have a nexus and trying to get a photon
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the sgs2 will be an amazing phone. shame i didnt catch ya in time >.> i have a nexus and trying to get a photon
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Amazing maybe, better than the Photon I would have to disagree there.
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Bandage said:
Unfortunately I'm moving away from the Photon, so will be discontinuing the guides. I'll poke my head in once and awhile and update any pertinent info. Time to pass on the torch...someone should begin another and request it stickied.
I enjoyed the MoPho...but one month after release it's way too quiet in here for me. I crave flashing goodness...and hear only crickets. I will be picking up the SGSII when it hits, and look forward to seeing some of you over there!
Thanks to Yay, Edgan, Kenneth, DCour, Baller, Mikey and others that have taken a stab at this great phone!
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Thanks for your contribution to the Photon. Enjoy whatever device you end up with.
Yesterday, my Galaxy Nexus showed up in the mail
So, it is with a little sadness actually that I must say I'm leaving everyone here. The developers in this community are incredibly talented and friendly, and I must say even though it's not a powerful phone I'm glad I chose the Eris over the OG Droid two years ago. All of your roms, tweaks and apps you've developed helped me not chuck my Eris against a brick wall (lol). Even though I never posted here too much, I just wanted to say thanks.
I'm probably gonna be back every now and again just to check out what's going on, but for now I'm gonna go enjoy my new Nexus haha. And sorry if this isn't exactly in the right section, I just wanted to make sure the developers saw this.
Peace, y'all.
Take care!
I was off to a great start on XDA, helped a lot of people, made a mod or two and gathered a decent number of thanks.
Lately though, I've been frustrated and it's showing in my posts.
I'm frustrated because after probably more than 150$ in donations to different people, it seems that developers left one right after the other and that money I gave to encourage development is now used to develop for another phone.
I understand there's no obligation for developers to stick to a phone for ever, everyone wants to play with the new hardware and being a hardware junkie myself, I really can't blame anyone for that.
I gave to Scott because I ran his ROM for quite awhile and it was really stable. Probably because it is stock with the fat trimmed but that met my needs. Later on I hear about all this talk going on about how he's not a real developer and he left.
Then I gave money to bored at least twice, once for his S4 Rom, and once again to help him get a new laptop. Shortly after he vanished for personal reasons. It's probably something big, probably not his fault, bad things happen and sometimes our priorities changes but it seemed that once again I encouraged someone who had to go away.
Lastly, I donated twice to Joel for his S4 ROM and to encourage him to continue developing and we now know what is happening. He doesn't seem to have the time and with the Roms coming out for the GNex and the One X, if I was a developer, I would be all over the new hardware as well.
So those events made me frustrated and I think I managed to p!ss off quite a few people so I'm sorry for that. I tarnished my own reputation because instead of accepting all that, I wanted something for my donations and I got nothing.
I decided to change the way I see things and consider my donations as a contribution to work that was done in the past. I used CleanRom so I donated for that, I used S4 a lot and Bored helped me port his blue theme so that it works with 3.6 Roms, and I donated for that. I didn't really run Joel's ROM a lot because the lack of bluetooth and screen rotation lag was too much for me but still, he put some good stuff together and it was good while it lasted.
So once again, I apologize for anyone I offended or rubbed the wrong way. Donating only to see people vanish got the best of me and I'm paying for it now because of my latest posts.
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I was off to a great start on XDA, helped a lot of people, made a mod or two and gathered a decent number of thanks.
Lately though, I've been frustrated and it's showing in my posts.
I'm frustrated because after probably more than 150$ in donations to different people, it seems that developers left one right after the other and that money I gave to encourage development is now used to develop for another phone.
I understand there's no obligation for developers to stick to a phone for ever, everyone wants to play with the new hardware and being a hardware junkie myself, I really can't blame anyone for that.
I gave to Scott because I ran his ROM for quite awhile and it was really stable. Probably because it is stock with the fat trimmed but that met my needs. Later on I hear about all this talk going on about how he's not a real developer and he left.
Then I gave money to bored at least twice, once for his S4 Rom, and once again to help him get a new laptop. Shortly after he vanished for personal reasons. It's probably something big, probably not his fault, bad things happen and sometimes our priorities changes but it seemed that once again I encouraged someone who had to go away.
Lastly, I donated twice to Joel for his S4 ROM and to encourage him to continue developing and we now know what is happening. He doesn't seem to have the time and with the Roms coming out for the GNex and the One X, if I was a developer, I would be all over the new hardware as well.
So those events made me frustrated and I think I managed to p!ss off quite a few people so I'm sorry for that. I tarnished my own reputation because instead of accepting all that, I wanted something for my donations and I got nothing.
I decided to change the way I see things and consider my donations as a contribution to work that was done in the past. I used CleanRom so I donated for that, I used S4 a lot and Bored helped me port his blue theme so that it works with 3.6 Roms, and I donated for that. I didn't really run Joel's ROM a lot because the lack of bluetooth and screen rotation lag was too much for me but still, he put some good stuff together and it was good while it lasted.
So once again, I apologize for anyone I offended or rubbed the wrong way. Donating only to see people vanish got the best of me and I'm paying for it now because of my latest posts.
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no hard feelings bro. id feel pretty pissed too if i donated money and it didnt lead to anything. this community, is broken right now. we have about three devs for cdma and 1 gsm left. i want to stay but it seems i cant! im pretty sure im leaving to get a GSM gnex and go to tmobile. its just better for me right now. believe me, THIS IS THE INTERNET!!!! if anyone gets offended, they are p*ssies
I started to think of the fact that the money I donated would have bought me almost a third of a One X at full retail price but developers do release ROMs before getting donations so I'm trying to see it as contribution done in the past, not in the future.
hey man, i'm just as upset as you with the developers leaving. our community really has been shot to hell, and i don't really see it recovering very well, and that sucks. we started off as a small, close, tight-knit community from like weeks before launch date. many of us were familiar faces from the Inc forum, so we were enjoying ourselves. once we got bigger, i guess everything began to get on peoples' nerves: lack of AOSP, RIL, kernel source, ICS not being released, etc etc.
now, we have less than a handful of developers left, as they've all left for the nexus.
hang in there, the source/ update drought cant last forever. If you can make it through the wait, it's inevitable that the combination of the hardware + the price of this phone will bring talent. I wouldn't be surprised if a few of those folks you mention above make their way back here again. Being stuck on 2 year old software isn't really exciting for many devs, but it's where we're at for the time being.
Nice to see that you have a new outlook dude
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I like where this thread is going and I agree with the sentiments behind it, hopefully no one will come in here and turn this into a troll-fest.
Personally, I think this is a natural (though unpleasant) thing that's going on. In the forums for my last device, this exact same thing happened - as frustration grew over manufacturer/carrier delays for the next big/promised release and source code, things got bad in the community. It got ugly. Then the release finally came and source finally came and some really good things happened, including CM9. I haven't been back there in a long time so I have no idea what it's like now, but that's the way I left it. I'm hoping once we have source that good things will happen. I believe we'll see some new faces and maybe some old ones.
The one thing that complicates matters in the Rezound forums is the issue of donations (in my opinion). In my old device's forums, a lot of the devs (maybe most) refused to take donations, or at least discouraged donations, and actually it seemed the most talented devs were the ones most likely to discourage/least likely to accept donations. Here, a lot of the devs (most? all?) accept and even encourage donations, in some cases outright asking for them. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, I've donated to at least 3 Rezound devs myself, but there are risks that come along with accepting/encouraging donations. The people who donate then expect certain things, expectations are higher, and if you don't deliver or if you leave before delivering, you have to expect some people are going to take it hard. I'm not saying I agree with that, it's just human nature. There is a fine line between donating to encourage someone and outright paying them for an expected outcome.
I don't think I ever posted anything negative towards any dev, and I've never taken sides in the current "war" that's going on. I must admit there is one thing I really don't get in all this, one thing I really would like to post and ask about because I'm honestly confused by it, but I know 100% it would turn into a troll feeding frenzy, so I'm just going to keep it to myself and hope for better days ahead.
Personally I love this phone (aside from battery life) and think it's still better than a lot of devices coming out now. I'd love to get more into the dev game myself if I could just. find. the. frickin. time...
That was long-winded, I apologize...
I thank you all make good points and I feel the same way also and I'm so tired of all the childish stuff that just keeps going on iv been with most these dev's sense(pun intened) the inc and they all are very talented but really don't blame them for leaving whether it be personal or not.on that note thank you to all the modders themers and devs and anyone that's a helper and not a troll
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I don't blame people for wanting to go develop for a newer hardware platform, I would do the same and if I could afford it right now, I would buy a GNEX and let Google feed be with updates.
We still love you.
The development section hasn't had anything good in at least a month.
I don't see the rage about the new S3, or Nexus (plus thought nexus was blocked for US sales??). I'm really enjoying the Resound and am having Zero issues at the moment with it. It would be nice to get some of the new updates rolling quicker with the phone, but the amount of work developers have put into the current roms is amazing. They are all very talented people, and there's no possible way to thank them enough for all they've done. I just do really hope some end up trailing back in our direction and bring/breathe more life into this phone..... Particularly Jellybean.
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jayochs said:
hey man, i'm just as upset as you with the developers leaving. our community really has been shot to hell, and i don't really see it recovering very well, and that sucks. we started off as a small, close, tight-knit community from like weeks before launch date. many of us were familiar faces from the Inc forum, so we were enjoying ourselves. once we got bigger, i guess everything began to get on peoples' nerves: lack of AOSP, RIL, kernel source, ICS not being released, etc etc.
now, we have less than a handful of developers left, as they've all left for the nexus.
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.....but this is exactly what I'm saying, its all marketing. By people playing ball and RUNNING to the newest phone that has better software when we dont get source fast enough all were doing is saying "hey, you can manipulate the market easily, just take too long to update software and we'll just buy the next phone you tell us to buy". We just need to be patient and wait for source, this is a GREAT phone! Just. Be. Patient.
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.....but this is exactly what I'm saying, its all marketing. By people playing ball and RUNNING to the newest phone that has better software when we dont get source fast enough all were doing is saying "hey, you can manipulate the market easily, just take too long to update software and we'll just buy the next phone you tell us to buy". We just need to be patient and wait for source, this is a GREAT phone! Just. Be. Patient.
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Let's see VZW/HTC stated this phone officially would have ICS Q1, it is now Q3 and they have yet to deliver. This phone has already passed it's shelf life so I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't see the official ICS/source for another month, or two, or three. It sucks but you just gotta face it, this phone is dead. Great phone with a lot of potential, troll community destroys any hope of AOSP or the improvement of current roms.
The thing is, manufacturers have zero motivation to update the software on their phones because they make no money off of that and have to spend money on development.
If not coming up for an update for the Rezound and putting the latest on the One X, they ensure that anyone who wants the latest android will spend money on a new phone.
Yeah we're rooted and we do have the latest, but despite that, I think we all share that itch to get the newer phone with the slightly better CPU and a little bit more RAM.
It's a fact that faster hardware doesn't always make for a faster phone, the quality of the software running on it makes a huge difference as well. I see the same thing on my rezound, sense launcher has never been smoother while 3rd party launchers like Nova, Apex, Go, have never been slower. Open the app drawer, everything is smooth but flip through screens on the desktop and you get that low framerate feel.
I wouldn't consider the GNEX too old to buy but I'll be enjoying my Rezound until the next phone from Google.
Nic2112 said:
The thing is, manufacturers have zero motivation to update the software on their phones because they make no money off of that and have to spend money on development.
If not coming up for an update for the Rezound and putting the latest on the One X, they ensure that anyone who wants the latest android will spend money on a new phone.
Yeah we're rooted and we do have the latest, but despite that, I think we all share that itch to get the newer phone with the slightly better CPU and a little bit more RAM.
It's a fact that faster hardware doesn't always make for a faster phone, the quality of the software running on it makes a huge difference as well. I see the same thing on my rezound, sense launcher has never been smoother while 3rd party launchers like Nova, Apex, Go, have never been slower. Open the app drawer, everything is smooth but flip through screens on the desktop and you get that low framerate feel.
I wouldn't consider the GNEX too old to buy but I'll be enjoying my Rezound until the next phone from Google.
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This.
Completely.
rsage said:
I like where this thread is going and I agree with the sentiments behind it, hopefully no one will come in here and turn this into a troll-fest.
Personally, I think this is a natural (though unpleasant) thing that's going on. In the forums for my last device, this exact same thing happened - as frustration grew over manufacturer/carrier delays for the next big/promised release and source code, things got bad in the community. It got ugly. Then the release finally came and source finally came and some really good things happened, including CM9. I haven't been back there in a long time so I have no idea what it's like now, but that's the way I left it. I'm hoping once we have source that good things will happen. I believe we'll see some new faces and maybe some old ones.
The one thing that complicates matters in the Rezound forums is the issue of donations (in my opinion). In my old device's forums, a lot of the devs (maybe most) refused to take donations, or at least discouraged donations, and actually it seemed the most talented devs were the ones most likely to discourage/least likely to accept donations. Here, a lot of the devs (most? all?) accept and even encourage donations, in some cases outright asking for them. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, I've donated to at least 3 Rezound devs myself, but there are risks that come along with accepting/encouraging donations. The people who donate then expect certain things, expectations are higher, and if you don't deliver or if you leave before delivering, you have to expect some people are going to take it hard. I'm not saying I agree with that, it's just human nature. There is a fine line between donating to encourage someone and outright paying them for an expected outcome.
I don't think I ever posted anything negative towards any dev, and I've never taken sides in the current "war" that's going on. I must admit there is one thing I really don't get in all this, one thing I really would like to post and ask about because I'm honestly confused by it, but I know 100% it would turn into a troll feeding frenzy, so I'm just going to keep it to myself and hope for better days ahead.
Personally I love this phone (aside from battery life) and think it's still better than a lot of devices coming out now. I'd love to get more into the dev game myself if I could just. find. the. frickin. time...
That was long-winded, I apologize...
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Maybe some people need to change their expectations.
I don't donate for future work. Since it's entirely possible that the dev has run into a creative or technical wall, I think it's an unrealistic expectation. But that's just me.
I donate because I appreciate the work the dev has already done. If he takes the donation as an "attaboy" as inspiration for bigger and better things, I consider that a bonus.
Nilsp's ROMs are just about the only ones I've used since I got my Rezound. I appreciate the consistent quality, that he'll answer a question almost anytime of the day or night without snark, and that his ROMs are in a constant state of improvement. I've bought him at least one beer if not two, and if he can get Sense 4 to run properly, I'll buy him a case.
BTW...Nilsp had to be coaxed into accepting donations. Like many of the devs, his satisfaction seems to come in beating the challenges and the simple thanks the users of his product give him. The rest...beer money.
I think another problem with this community is the sense that Verizon has practically orphaned this phone right out of the gate. It was supposed to be a top of the line phone...by technical standards, it's still one of their best phones eight months out of the gate, which is saying something...but they never promoted it, and the dragging of their feet with the ICS update is simply maddening, given that they implied it would be one of the first to get it.
I like this phone. I'm pretty much stuck with it for another year anyway, but I can't see the advantage to jumping at quad cores, especially since few apps can truly take advantage of the extra cores anyhow.
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I don't donate for future work. Since it's entirely possible that the dev has run into a creative or technical wall, I think it's an unrealistic expectation. But that's just me.
I donate because I appreciate the work the dev has already done. If he takes the donation as an "attaboy" as inspiration for bigger and better things, I consider that a bonus.
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I agree with you, but not completely. You see, I've noticed two ways of inviting for donations.
1. "If you like my work, please consider donating". That I agree with you, a donation is for past work and no expectations should be assumed on either side. You like the current rom and you want to donate, send a few bucks and enjoy the phone. No one ever said there would be a next version.
2. "Let's get 'x' a phone so that he can develop for the Rezound". This is far different than the first one. This, in simple terms, means "If you buy me a phone, I will release something". Maybe just one Rom supported for a little bit, maybe more, but this DOES imply that if the developer gets his/her new phone, that this person will develop something. This is money for future development.
Going with the second method is risky because it does set an expectation to get something back for getting that person a phone. Those expectations are likely to be different between the developer and people who donated. I am convinced that this is why there is so much friction and frustrated people in the Rezound forums. Different people have different expectations and some people are bound to feel like they deserve more.
I learned my lesson though. Next time someone needs the community to help them get a device, I'll politely pass because this concept of donating for future work is at high risk to cause frustrations.
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I agree with you, but not completely. You see, I've noticed two ways of inviting for donations.
1. "If you like my work, please consider donating". That I agree with you, a donation is for past work and no expectations should be assumed on either side. You like the current rom and you want to donate, send a few bucks and enjoy the phone. No one ever said there would be a next version.
2. "Let's get 'x' a phone so that he can develop for the Rezound". This is far different than the first one. This, in simple terms, means "If you buy me a phone, I will release something". Maybe just one Rom supported for a little bit, maybe more, but this DOES imply that if the developer gets his/her new phone, that this person will develop something. This is money for future development.
Going with the second method is risky because it does set an expectation to get something back for getting that person a phone. Those expectations are likely to be different between the developer and people who donated. I am convinced that this is why there is so much friction and frustrated people in the Rezound forums. Different people have different expectations and some people are bound to feel like they deserve more.
I learned my lesson though. Next time someone needs the community to help them get a device, I'll politely pass because this concept of donating for future work is at high risk to cause frustrations.
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Nobody bought me a phone. I'm not buying someone else one.
I prefer developers who plan to use their phone and their ROMs as daily drivers...because that's how I use my phone. If I'm helping a dev buy a phone, he's only in it for the challenge. Once he thinks he's met that challenge, he's off looking for a new one...while I've still got a year or more to go on my contract. And all of that presumes we're talking about an ethical developer...one that's not using his buddy's phone to do the work and pocketing the donations. ---NOTE---that is not an accusation pointed at anyone, just a hypothetical.
I'm not the government. I don't pay for future development....because more times than not, it doesn't work out to be much of a bargain for the taxpayer.
GrayTheWolf said:
We still love you.
The development section hasn't had anything good in at least a month.
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Huh?
Nils has been releasing GREAT stuff. Why do folks ignore this super-talented dev?
BBEgo said:
Huh?
Nils has been releasing GREAT stuff. Why do folks ignore this super-talented dev?
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yeah, nils is the man. made some badass roms on the Inc, and continues to do so on the rezound.
I'm switching to sprint next week and I'm getting the nexus 5, I just wanted to thank our amazing developers for all their hard work keeping our phone updated, I really appreciate all of you guys, hopefully some of u will get the nexus 5
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Thanks to all devs and ppls who helped making Rezound so good
i'm also leaving just got LG GPro
but still gonna have rezound as second phone
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Thanks to all the devs and ppls helped making Rezound so good
i'm also leaving just got LG GPro
but still gonna have rezound as second phone
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ill have my rezound as a dev phone till it crumples up and dies....but i plan on getting the One very shortly
I might be jumping ship to the One as well...I've been trying to talk myself into it for a few months but it seems like the universe is pushing for me to get it. I just got an invite to elevate yesterday.. later that night I was just switching to a different extended battery (I like to cycle through different ones to keep them happy) and poof reboot every 3 min. It happened all day today too. I finally got it to stop after uninstalling some recent apps and doing my magical "Rezound please don't reboot" dance/prayer/ritual.
I love my Rezound when it's working properly (I think I'm on my 7th), but I'm starting to see it as a warm heavy brick in my pants.
Sorry, I had some venting to do that no one I know in real life would understand. No tech savvy friends, I hear the occasional "Why don't you have an iPhone?" from them.
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I also want to thank all of the devs. Great job keeping it up to date. I switched to the Note 3 recently and it's badass. I was stuck between the One, G2 and the Note 3 but I definitely made the right choice. The One looks awesome but I love how big and powerful the Note 3 is. All my previous phones have been HTC but I think Samsung definitely won me over. It's been a pleasure my friends. Hope to see you guys around again. Snuzzo, Fly, Neo..you guys are awesome!
I would like to send my appreciation as well... I am on the verge of getting the HTC One. My phone has been freezing up recently and its not a software related crash, so I'm afraid I went in the Verizon store and was awe struck at the One... although I don't like the lack of a changeable battery or SD card, but damn its a nice phone. I was sold and am very close to buying one.
This would be the first time I haven't changed phones out of anger at my old phone. The Rezound really has impressive specs and impressive devs who build for it...this is the reason I have extended my usage on the Rezound for nearly a year now. Its too bad the Rezound wasn't better known. Its still generally fast and still has a great screen, I would dare say the best of its time.
I hope to see some Rezound devs on the One in the future. I know more than one has mentioned the plan to move on to the One.
It will be a somber bitter sweet day for me as i love my Rezound but I'm needing to move on if I keep having this issue.
I would also like to say a big thank you to our devs here. It's been a generally awesome device to own because of them. Specifically Neo for the numerous amazing ROMs he's given us, Snuzzo and IHateWebOS for their awesome kernels, Flyhalf for maintaining TWRP and, of course, Chad for being our AOSP savior! shrike1978 also gets a big thanks for the writeup on how to build CM. Without that I guarantee I never would have compiled a ROM myself.
The guys working hard in the AOSP Dev thread to get us a stable 4.4 ROM also get a shout out.
The unlimited.io guys also get a MASSIVE thanks for their S-OFF tool Juopunutbear. The process was just badass lol. Never would've thought when I got the phone and saw those pins that they would be so important down the road. I think that's kind of what made owning this device awesome as well; the fact that you had to put in some effort to get S-OFF made it feel more like an accomplishment, like you've earned it. With the Nexus 5 (the device I'll be switching to when it finally decides to ship/arrive) it'll just be as simple as "fastboot oem unlock" and it's fully unlocked. There's no sense of achievement or anything doing that! Lol I'm definitely not saying I wish it was harder or anything, just that it won't be the same.
I would also like to thank the community for always supporting and being polite to our developers, as well as always being willing to help one another. I think the fact that we have one thread with over 500 posts in it with people just helping each other speaks for how awesome you guys are.
It's been a long road for us Rezound owners, and it makes me a bit sad to think about moving on to a different device, with a different community. I can only hope that the Nexus 5 community will be half as good as this one.
Hope to see you guys over there with me.
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While I did just jump to an LG G2, I won't be going anywhere anytime soon. I've invested way too much time and effort on this phone to walk away from it. Not to mention the Mrs. has a rezound and the G2 is an officially supported device, so there's really no challenge to it.
The good news is now I have a dev phone, so I don't have to worry about getting it back to a working state when I'm working on it.
Well I did it. I got the One. I had to pay full retail price for it otherwise I cant keep my unlimited data... and considering that I've used 11Gb so far, that was not an option.
I am impressed with it as I was impressed with the Rezound when I got it.
This community has been amazing. This was the first phone I ever flashed anything too. Considering now the Rezound is a spare/play phone, maybe I will try some developing for it. I know I wont be able to match the great devs here, but I figured I could try my hand at it. Especially now this is not my main phone I need to rely on.
So once again a big thanks for the additional life that some great people have given to the Rezound. A truly great place to be. Now I just need to try to get my Paypal back so I can show some appreciation monetarily to some people.