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Before i begin my rant, a precursor..This is not a post about the Devs not getting us unlocked BL or whatever may be... Far far from that.. My thanks and Enormous respect and gratitude go out to every single Dev and User who has helped not only myself, but every other user on XDA and other boards with the Droid X2.
The party seems to be over. I think the bulk of us knew, getting the X2 was more of a bridge in the gap til our next big phone, which I believed would be a 2nd Gen 4G LTE device. The droid Bionic hit today and yes, its obviously a much more robust product, kinda the same kinda different, then our beloved X/X2.
Where I live (Long Island) 4G is pretty prevelant.. I have used the Pantech 4G modem on a macbook and it got me 35 Meg down over air (6 meg up), which almost made me faint. This isnt about speed tho and the x2's lack of 4g..
The facts are the Devs are all killing themselves, trying so hard to come up with a way to make teh x2 better.. Untapped and unrealized potential we have in this device. Unfortunatley i dont see a light at the end of this tunnel.
Perhaps Ice Cream will save us end of the year, or Q1 of 2012, but thats doubtful. I came to the X2 on the sheer hope and belif that NVidia's Tegra 2 was gonna reign the supreme King of all processors on the mobile market.. Yet new phones are using TI more now. Why? Dunno.. Motorola has been hush as to why they didnt use the Tegra in the Bionic..
When i got the x2, as im sure most of you had, it was $199.. 4 weeks later its $99. Now its buy one get one free. Every since i have used smartphones (Since the old samsung SCH-i600 Win Mo 2002 phone), I have never seen the life of a phone come and go so fast..
Maybe thats my most annoying thins. It may not be true that the phone is Dead, or that dev will cease, but it sure as hell feels like it, don't it? Look at the facts:
-Hardly Any new topics across 6 different forums (XDA, DroidForums, Motorola, AndroidForums Etc).
-Buy one Get one Free (aka verizon saying PLEASE TAKE THIS OFF OUR HANDS)
I just wanted to get this off my mind.. I love my x2, it has been by far the best phone i ever had, not even CLOSE.. The surely untapped potential of this device, and its dual core capability + Nvidida 3d backing just leaves me craving oh so much more.
A few points in response....
1, I feel you pain a little bit. Im not terribly concerned about the phone itself because, I do like it (except for the damn music skipping..thats pretty annoying).
I also do not enjoy the lack of "chit chat" so to speak on the different forum boards. On the D1, I could make a comment (or a theme) and 20 minutes later the thread was on the 2nd page. I enjoy the communication.
As a themer, I enjoy making them but you are right here somewhat. It takes a lot of hours to make a theme and probably even more over the long run to maintain it. My D1 themes were downloaded 1000's of times. So far, as of last night anyway, my X2 theme has been downloaded 42 times. That makes it real tough to convince myself to keep doing it. Not a slam in anyway, just a limitation of the amount of X2 users.
I bought my D1 as a BOGO and it was over a year before anything came out that made people abondon ship en masse.
The Bionic and probably every 4G phone to come has a price point of $299. Tough pill to swallow when thinking about bailing on the X2.
Eclipse is pretty much the only ROM I use and Nitro seems to be banging it out left and right. I don't think hes going anywhere anytime soon.
Thanks for such a fast response honestly.. It's good to clear the cobwebs around here every once in a while..
You make fantastic points on all fronts.
I can only imagine the time and effort put into your themes and roms etc.. One for which i would never have the time nor patience to get involved in.
As with all technology, and myself being in the IT industry for over 20 years knows, that You get the best, but as soon as you get it, its not the best anymore.. I think what hurt most of all in this entire process, was after the fight and aching to get GB on the X2, its like that was the end of the fight.. Nothing left to look forward too.
The phone works. Every android device has software issues. We all know this. I think the thing every user here wants, is to know just how far and what this X2 can really do.. What happens if we put the pedal to the floor, will this thing burn rubber? Or have we hit the ceiling? Is this all the x2 has and should we months from now when our contracts start dwindling down, start looking at the future alternatives?
My comparison (to laugh), the X2 is like the old Commodore 128. Built on top of the Commodore 64, best selling computer ever, the 128 had promise.. Was faster, more robust, etc.. It never reached its potential because 95% of the time, it was being used in Commodore 64 Mode. Then we all went out and got an IBM.
i dont see the phone being dropped any time soon. it has the new dual core and gpu chipsets and its 100$. not everyone can afford a bionic. also 4g isnt in that many places. i still see people with droid2s. im sure there are people in the boat i was in. pretty much i didnt want a non smart phone for 2 years and verizon had this at 100$ why would you pass that up if you are tight on money
I hear ya, but its not really about not wanting one because of lack of 4g in your area or like that. Obviously the $99 price tag is amazing for what it is, but what i'm saying is that in the what, 4 months the phone has been out it is already shelved, being dismissed, and honestly slowed to a crawl any and all wonderful enhancements we were all waiting and anticipating.
Its the nature of the beast.. Every phone or electronic device goes thru this, i just can not remember one happening tho THIS FAST?
I was an Avid HTC Touch Pro 2 user on verizon.. That thing was honestly DOG SH*T slow since day 1, yet the community kept that alive for me for almost 3 Years of use, as painstaking as it was.. Roms, apps etc that just kept me wanting more and more...
I feel (and i don't think im the only one) like with the Lack of chatter, as a previous post said, the lack of push from motorola, now motogoogle, the locked device etc.. we are at an impasse. Its not anyones fault. It is what it is..
Maybe some of us thouhgt for the initial $199 (more like $320 after all the docs, extra batteries etc that some of us, like me, bought) and we would honestly have a solid year + of things to look forward too.. Instead, (and again this is just my perception, i may be 100% wrong, and or you can see it different) I feel like the development cycle has slowed down because no one can crack this sucker. There pushing us out the door like an after thought..
Hell Verizon ran that Father's Day X2 commercial, for what, 3 weeks maybe.. Not even 1 commercial about the X2 since (Except for 1 buy one get one free offer i saw about a week ago). Aka, Dismissed. Now i didnt expect Verizon to push the thing for 6 months, obviously.. but hey i thought this thing was a special peice of hardware.. C'mon, its NVIDIA ffs. The King of 3D Graphics.. I was (and still am) convinced that if anyone out there was to make a 3d capable device that could have an interface that wipes the iphone off the map, it would be via NVIDIA.
It could be me overthinking things, or just the fact that i Love this hardware... After years upon years of windows mobile bashing my brains to puree (i havent played with win phone 7, its suppose to be SALTY with the Mango update).. To have a device that WORKS is amazing to me still.. I just want more, and i want the users who share the experience with me to have the best possible usage out of a decice that deserved better then it has gotten.
I agree with subdivision. I have and am still having buyers remorse with my x2. The devs for this phone have been great and worked very hard to make this a great phone, but lets face it 4g is where everyone is going now. Not to mention making huge leaps in custom deving a phone truly takes a large dev pool, something that we just don't have.
We recently switched our family plan over to my brothers Wells Fargo corporate account, with that comes one year contracts and no charge for extra lines.
I look forward to next June when I can change this thing in for the next phone.
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honestly a week or 2 ago verizon had nothing that was better than the x2 in my book with maybe the exception of the droid 3 but i hated the keyboard. now they have the bionic if you want to pay for it. i guess verizon just has ****ty phones
Ok I just got my DX2 Friday and I moved from the Droid Eris we spent 8mo to get a full working root for everyone s-on and leaked 2.1 users. Someone knows someone just like in our case who gave up an answer to what we were missing on vulnerability.
Has anyone gone outside of this forum to find Devs bftb0, TopazArron, JCase, Darchstar, rigmarts, tazzpatriot, punkaos,and zifnab06 these are all Super intelligent Devs/Hackers that I was in on the IRC with researching for months exploits.
Who do we have dev wise that has rooted a phone from a 0day? Are we setting up them an IRC server and letting only thoes members in? I see a lot of prommised money and that is all good but no traffic for a Dev to root a device is present. I am not aware of who found the current workarounds or if other exploits worked so if there are Devs active sorry didn't know just got the phone.
The Droid Eris had no commercial time at all I just found it cause it was cheaper than the Droid 1. Once an root was found the aboved mentioned move on to other devices but the Themers and ROM Devs steped in and are still going, all for a phone that isn't even sold anymore.
So instead of being all upset about it spend that time getting to know other devs from other forums and finding out exploits or befriending them to possibly work on our phone. I just tweeted Jcase to see what he is up to.
A good Dev will enjoy the challenge this Ef'n bootloader and Communist Motorola has created. And with the recent purchase of Motorola by Google could be a good thing, most of the Season Rooters have contacts in Google and could get info.
I just went to PM Jcase and he is currently active looking at the bounty page. Now since it is a bunch of people just offering money I would think if the second pot for a DX2 for the Dev to use has to be legit. They are going to have to have one or two if they do work on it.
I think our best hacker for x2 is navenedrob and he doesn't even own an x2 lol
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Once again, i don't mean to be repetitive, but please do not take this thread as a "OMG THE DEVS ARENT DOING ANYTHING JUMP SHIP" post.. Totally not my intent.
Voicing my frustration at Verizon, Motorola.. and to a lesser extent NVidia and Google. No phone is perfect, again we all know that. This device COULD be one of if not a TOP Tier phone for the next 2 years if the proper people and channels got together and did something about it.
First off Verizon could have really pushed the Dual Core Phone as the future, and heads above the rest, since it out benchmarked every phone they had almost 5 fold.
Motorola could have been seen as a savior, instead of a villain, by giving us that true open source Option.. Unlocked Phone, Choice to remove Blur etc..
Google could have gotten off its pile of huge money and stock and said "Hey, we don't like how you are using our OS on this device, that has to change Pronto"..
NVidia could have said "Hey why are you not taking proper advantage of Our Tegra 2 chipset to show really what this bad boy can do?".
What IF's.. Thats all we have had with this phone.. What iF it was unlocked.. What IF both cores were truly being used correctly.. what if.. what if.. what if..
Our phone is a Very Very good phone. I Love it.. I have tailored it to suit me SO well that i honestly wouldn't change it for any device short of maybe the Galaxy S 2 only cause that seems to be the phone thats making everyone go gaga.. but i will say the Simple reason i didn't get a thunderbolt or wait for the bionic was the scary 4G battery life issue.
My upgrade was available in MARCH. I waited until JUNE to get the X2 to research and make a proper educated decision, along with my friend Ringo was was an AVID X User, and how much he loved it. I said OMG X + Nvidia = JESUS REINCARNATED AS A PHONE!
Maybe if anything, maybe my post can somehow get a snowball rolling down a hill. Maybe it will or can motivate that bunch of people to come out of the woodworks and say, u know what, this thing really deserves to show what it can do.
If in any way i could help this community, hardware, software, money whatever was to my ability, i would in a heartbeat.. only because i believe in every single user who visits XDA and these forums as users who truly are INTO their devices and only wants the best for the user base.
I prey a year from now, we are all on some great custom rome, running ice Ice Cream Sandwich and saying my god how this almost 2 year old device is still one of the best phones on the market.
I'm with ya Sub, we were probably shopping phones about the same time. When it became clear that the bionic was a ways out I plunked down my cash for the X2. It was a big jump coming from my trusty TP2. I would have to say that my TP2 was the best phone I've had. It was FAR more stable than this thing. My wife is about ready to throw it out the window when it crashes and reboots at night and makes the famous "drooiiid" sound and wakes her up. Coming from winmo it seemed like android was the way to go since WP7 was going to be completely locked down. I have been disappointed to see how weak android is out of the box, and to see that I can't even do a wifi hotspot with this phone (at least without paying).
I do think that there's some light at the end of the tunnel though. I've seen a LOT more marketing for the X2 in the last couple weeks. Yes, they're selling them cheap, and they're doing BOGO, but they're doing the same thing with the Droid3. So I don't think its dumping excess hardware. Hopefully its building user base and with more users they'll fix some of the phones problems. Verizon sent me a trade-in notice offering $100 or more trade in for a bionic, so if I pitched a fit maybe they'd let me in on one of those. I considered it for a short time, but 4G is pointless for me for probably years. And I really do like the docks for the X2, I just wish they weren't so buggy.
I think I'm going to try to hang in there for a while, and hopefully we see some progress. Maybe somebody will even figure out how to get the thing to play an mp3 track without skipping.
Thanks man..
There are 2 people here in the boat with us.. Those that are under contract who HAVE to wait for something new, and those who aren't but love the X2 to stay with it...
I for one wouldn't change it right now as i love the phone, i just want it to succeed where others have failed, and truly take advantage of the hardware we were given.
I still want to know why motorola only put 512M (or 414 whatever) in this thing, which just made ZERO sense to me... With ram being so available, and So cheap, why not toss at least 1GB, or 2GB.. Set it apart.
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I said OMG X + Nvidia = JESUS REINCARNATED AS A PHONE!
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Lol right, the bootloader killed it, and everyone's busy with the 4g's thats what going on, vzw pushing 4g the "thunderbolt" No one cares about a dual core... I mean the d3 is deadish too, Bionic might save it, cuz it has same processor, but moto's dead atm, sh-t battery etc
I have PM jt1134 from the Fascinate forum. An effort to try and get another dev possibly interested in joining minds with others here. He's well respected there but I'm not sure of his interest here, if any. It's worth a shot!
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Lol right, the bootloader killed it, and everyone's busy with the 4g's thats what going on, vzw pushing 4g the "thunderbolt" No one cares about a dual core... I mean the d3 is deadish too, Bionic might save it, cuz it has same processor, but moto's dead atm, sh-t battery etc
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I don't think bionic has Tehran. I believe it is TI omap
And moto is mum on why they didn't use tegra. Is it possible that ia where our buggy music problem resides? Since they don't seem to wanna admit that either
I'm pretty sure the tegra 2 didn't get along with 4g. That's why it was scrapped 9 mos ago.
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I don't think bionic has Tehran. I believe it is TI omap
And moto is mum on why they didn't use tegra. Is it possible that ia where our buggy music problem resides? Since they don't seem to wanna admit that either
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Yeah, d3 has a ti
Honestly I wouldn't worry about this phone fading away man it has a lot going for it. I mean we have Nitro w/ Eclipse and Naven whom is going to uploaded all atrix ports which I am looking forward to (esp alien rom). I know someone is working on getting CM7! We have 2nd init going for us now, and if moto keeps true to it's word an unlocked bootloader soon? As for the switch to TI I think it has something to do w/ the partnership w/ Google. Yes the Bionic has a tad more power under it's belt, but nothing earth shattering imo. The newer blur probably coded better, but I want a full AOSP experience anyways so I'm not too worried about that.
X2 pretty much carries the specs of the Bionic concept I think? The Tegra 2, 512 MB of DDR2, qHD, it just lacks 4G which I could care less about since I have a 100 mbps connection at home. FFC I could care less about either, the 1GB of RAM woulda been nice though. I still love the X2 though it's GREAT as a phone, best in call quality I've experienced in awhile. So don't worry the X2 will have development and will be around for awhile.
I think the responses in this thread give us all reason for future hope, granted its not blowing up XDA, but it still shows i think some true and viable interest here.. It was and is a downer to see lack of new threads, and just overall activity for our beloved X2, hence why i think i created this tread..
Stirr the pot.. Kick the tires.. See if the motor is still runnin or are we about to get sent to the junk pile.
Here is what i would love to happen in a perfect world:
Unlocked Bootloader (DUH)
A myrad of custom roms of all walks and versions of Android
Customization like the old Win Mobile devices
True dual core coding and usage of apps and the os
Freedom to truly take this thing to a new level.
Freedom is the key.. How is it were on an open source device, that is basically closed thx to Motorola.. How can google not be really P.O'd about that?
I believe in this user base, especially those here @ XDA, where honestly the true and best mobile programmers, coders, and customizers seem to come when things are happenin the way it should.
For all the trash people talk about this device, if someone ever cracks the bootloader you know for a fact were gonna have 50 devs and 5000 people jump on this phone overnight
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I'm thinking of getting a GT and have done some research here and other sites. The more I read the more worried I'm becoming whether buying a GT is really a good idea.
My main concerns are the screen issues, newton rings, moisture under the screen, oil slicks, shaky or flickering screen, device not turning on or charging properly, etc.
As with all forums, it's always the problems that get highlighted so I'm finding it difficult to gauge how wide spread these problems are, i.e. do they only affect 1% of the GTs or is it more like 30%? Do Samsung acknowledge there is a screen problem?
I'd like some candid advice from owners whether they are completely happy with their GT and whether they would buy one again if they were buying now?
If it makes any difference I'd be buying the 16GB WiFi only model from the UK.
I am very happy with my wifi galaxy tab10.1. In my opinion this is the best tablet currently available in market.
And I would advice any of my friends to buy this only at this moment.
Regarding newton rings : its acknowledged by Samsung UK and is present in the FAQ system of their website
http://skp.samsungcsportal.com/integrated/popup/FaqDetailPopup.jsp?cdsite=uk&seq=408522
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I really like my tab, and haven't really had any problems. However, I did get some moisture under the screen after I left it laying outside on a hot day, but I just stuck it in the freezer and it went away .
Now, the decision of whether to get a GT... The main downfall is no external sd card (although this may not bother you). It's very thin, light, and looks good (+), but doesn't have the ports (like hdmi or usb) that other HC tabs have now (-). And, it's a bit more expensive than say a transformer, so you should take that into account too. My best advice would be to go somewhere like bestbuy and test them all out, then buy one on Amazon (generally cheaper).
Thanks for the replies guys. I'm not too bothered about the lack of external connections as the tab will mainly be used for some web browsing and the odd e-mail. I do however want to root it.
I did also consider the Transformer but the newer serial numbers haven't been successfully rooted yet. TBH, if it was rooted I would probably go for the transformer as it's ~€100 cheaper than the GT and already has the HC3.2 upgrade.
I've had a play with both and liked both. I preferred the GT's physical aspects (size and weight) and am familiar with TW as I have a GS2 so it's my first choice.
My main issues are the screen problems. Would you say the problem exists in all GTs (i.e. design flaw) but only manifests themselves when exposed to higher temperatures or is it something that is affecting only a batch of devices (i.e. manufacturing flaw)? I know that's probably difficult to answer but I'd like to hear opinions none the less.
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Thanks for the replies guys. I'm not too bothered about the lack of external connections as the tab will mainly be used for some web browsing and the odd e-mail. I do however want to root it.
I did also consider the Transformer but the newer serial numbers haven't been successfully rooted yet. TBH, if it was rooted I would probably go for the transformer as it's ~€100 cheaper than the GT and already has the HC3.2 upgrade.
I've had a play with both and liked both. I preferred the GT's physical aspects (size and weight) and am familiar with TW as I have a GS2 so it's my first choice.
My main issues are the screen problems. Would you say the problem exists in all GTs (i.e. design flaw) but only manifests themselves when exposed to higher temperatures or is it something that is affecting only a batch of devices (i.e. manufacturing flaw)? I know that's probably difficult to answer but I'd like to hear opinions none the less.
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Read the last 10 pages or more to get answers to some of your questions :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1130230
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ansonantonym said:
Read the last 10 pages or more to get answers to some of your questions :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1130230
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Thanks for the link. Well judging from that poll the problem seems to affect more than 50% of those that voted. It's not completely clear whether the problem has been fully resolved either. I've asked on that thread for people with screen replacements to say if the new screens have resolved the problem.
I would say i'm a basic user of my tab...i haven't rooted it as no idea how to go about doing that.
Overall for what I wanted it for, it's exceeded my expectations. I haven't encountered any issues with newton rings (touch wood) not lagging.
I have the 32gb wifi only version and I would suggest this is the optimum size. I feel the 16gb would be way too small.
Download dice player or another as this will play most files thrown at it. Also pay for the HDMI and USB adaptor to be able to watch on your TV or to transfer files. I've found this the easiest way to get files onto the tab rather than messing with Kies (don't go there) or using wifi explore options.
I wanted a tab for on the go, watching movies that i've downloaded without the need to convert (as with ipad). For this reason, it's a great tab, light and widescreen! Nice widgets and can customise the home screen. I'm sure I could get more use out of it, but I've come from apple products so new to android.
With the release of the TF2 coming nov 9th I'd definitely wait for that. If the Tegra 3 can run 1080p smoothly I'm making the switch over.
i have the 16gb metallic grey for 3 weeks now. I live in canada, i work as a real estate broker and am using the tab a lot, especially outside.
Here is fall season, temperatures are getting colder. I didnt have any problems with my screen. I really like my tab.
At first, i wanted to wait for TF2, but since they never said the exact date it would be release and that i was waiting since august, i bought the Galaxy 10.1 and i have nothing bad to say.
The only thing (as stated by others) the lack of sd/usb/hdmi slot turn me down a bit but u can fix that easy with thoses 2 : http://www.amazon.ca/Samsung-Galaxy...GY7Y/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1320212663&sr=8-7
and http://www.samsung.com/ca/consumer/...etail&subsubtype=others-multimedia&returnurl=
I'd wait if I was you. The GT10 is not perfect. Sometimes they have defects (gasp!). And then when you call customer service--they don't even speak the same language and they ask you questions! Can you imagine being asked questions! It's terrible! It's like they're saying "I hate your stupid face." when they ask you to "press the power button and tell me what happens." And performance? Well, it's good, but as soon as something new comes out it will totally suck. Like "wow, how did I ever use that" sucking. It will be abysmally bad! Everyone will laugh at you.
At some point, they will make a perfect piece of technology, then you won't need to ask because it will be perfect. Also, I think you should wait to breathe until the air is perfect. Hold your breath and I will tell you when it's time to breathe.
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I'd wait if I was you. The GT10 is not perfect. Sometimes they have defects (gasp!). And then when you call customer service--they don't even speak the same language and they ask you questions! Can you imagine being asked questions! It's terrible! It's like they're saying "I hate your stupid face." when they ask you to "press the power button and tell me what happens." And performance? Well, it's good, but as soon as something new comes out it will totally suck. Like "wow, how did I ever use that" sucking. It will be abysmally bad! Everyone will laugh at you.
At some point, they will make a perfect piece of technology, then you won't need to ask because it will be perfect. Also, I think you should wait to breathe until the air is perfect. Hold your breath and I will tell you when it's time to breathe.
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Oh wow that's very helpful and original.
I don't have 500 bucks to throw at a device that may have a design flaw nor the time to chase around getting it repaired because of persistent problems and so was trying to gauge the reliability of the device and extent of any problems.
You obviously have too much time if you can write all that dribble. If you don't like the topic don't read it.
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I'd wait if I was you. The GT10 is not perfect. Sometimes they have defects (gasp!). And then when you call customer service--they don't even speak the same language and they ask you questions! Can you imagine being asked questions! It's terrible! It's like they're saying "I hate your stupid face." when they ask you to "press the power button and tell me what happens." And performance? Well, it's good, but as soon as something new comes out it will totally suck. Like "wow, how did I ever use that" sucking. It will be abysmally bad! Everyone will laugh at you.
At some point, they will make a perfect piece of technology, then you won't need to ask because it will be perfect. Also, I think you should wait to breathe until the air is perfect. Hold your breath and I will tell you when it's time to breathe.
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Dude, there will always be something better coming out, if he wait for that "perfect" product, well he will never buy something.
I didnt want to spoil my money either. Here in canada, with a 3yr sim card data plan, i got a discount and my tab cost me 350$.
Before taking my decision, I've looked at almost all review on the web, went to stores and played with all the tabs.
At the end, it will be a personnal decision. Think about ur needs, no product is perfect, it might defect, thats why u get a warranty when u buy it. For me that was another reason not to buy online, just in case i need service on the tab.
Now for the reliability, since we live in differents parts of the world, i guess nobody can give you a 100% advice about it.
For my two cents, I love my Tab, think it is definitely with getting the 32 GB version, and was unlucky enough to have a problem with the charging connecter breaking. I bought it on Craigslist like-new, but didn't have a receipt. I called Samsung in the middle of the night (24 hour support), and was able to get everything taken care of. It took five minutes, at 1 am Pacific time, speaking to someone with an American accent. They sent me a return label, so I didn't pay a penny to get it repaired, even without proof of purchase. Got it back today, two weeks later. Impressive.
I've got to say, I work with a fair amount of tech support for my job as an audio engineer, and am always amazed with how much better support I get from dealing with companies like Allen & Heath through my work, because we have pro accounts with them all. Samsung was nearly on par with them. That's saying something if you ask me.
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Bought the 3G 16 GB version and love it.
The USB adaptor was included free in the box.
This beauty is the next best thing after my wife and kid
16 GB is more than enough, as USB works fine, and if you need extra space there is always the GoFlex Satellite with 500 GB. I think buying 32 GB does not make any sense.
Got also the Logitech Tablet Keyboard for Android 3.0+ and together with the tab it's a killer combo
So if you are really interested in getting a tab, I would go all out for it
Ok, kinda stupid question, but here it goes:
I have played around with the black version of 10.1 16GB 3g version and the back plastic has a somewhat "rubbery feel". What I want to know is whether the white one has the same feeling or it is glossy and "shiny"... Well Iam ordering tomorrow and want to know please! Thanks!
I was going to make my own thread regarding the GT10.1 before buying one, but thought I would just post it in here:
My question is currently from what I know with stock you have to use Kies to transfer data/backup. With a custom ROM does still happen or can I just use it as a mass storage like all android phones?
I planned on getting a 32gb, but don't know if that is the smart choice. With all kinds of cloud and online storage is 32gb even needed? I know it has no expansion on the device itself.
Lastly, one of my reasons for getting a tablet is for reading all my ebooks and especially PDFs, how well do these look on the 10.1?
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Ok, kinda stupid question, but here it goes:
I have played around with the black version of 10.1 16GB 3g version and the back plastic has a somewhat "rubbery feel". What I want to know is whether the white one has the same feeling or it is glossy and "shiny"... Well Iam ordering tomorrow and want to know please! Thanks!
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Its glossy and shiny in US
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AODfan said:
I was going to make my own thread regarding the GT10.1 before buying one, but thought I would just post it in here:
My question is currently from what I know with stock you have to use Kies to transfer data/backup. With a custom ROM does still happen or can I just use it as a mass storage like all android phones?
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Since the source hasn't been released, the roms aren't exactly custom but modified stock ones. (Please correct me if I'm wrong). So they work with kies.
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Since the source hasn't been released, the roms aren't exactly custom but modified stock ones. (Please correct me if I'm wrong). So they work with kies.
@ansonantonym: thanks
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So, basically all the owners of a Galaxy Tab have to go the route of Kies to do any kind of data transfer(From PC). Fun.
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So, basically all the owners of a Galaxy Tab have to go the route of Kies to do any kind of data transfer(From PC). Fun.
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Well, if indeed I am correct, yes. BUT you can also use dropbox or sent an email to the account that is linked to the tab containing the data. And there is always the option of buying the USB adaptor... Ok I admit that as far as connectivity is concerned, Samsung behaves like Apple but imo what sucks about Apple is not the hardware but the software.
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Lets hope that Samsung delivers ICS as well, thus giving us Apple like support!
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I like my prime, and don't care whether you do or not.
Well do you? or not?
BTW if you want to post a sad or happy story, post away but vote first.
Edit JD made a good point if you cant return it but wish you could vote under the appropriate return slot
no option for depends if I can get a refund or not cause then I won't have a choice
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no option for depends if I can get a refund or not cause then I won't have a choice
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nope keeping it real simple, just curious about the basics yes, no, maybe, and returning.
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nope keeping it real simple, just curious about the basics yes, no, maybe, and returning.
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some people would return but no longer have the option just saying your missing that from the poll cause that's my vote. I would return for a refund if I could
I'll like even more with an unlocked BL . First tablet I've ever owned and am completely satisfied. The 1 thing I wish it had was a USB port but I'm happy.
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Majority speaks so far. Just like in other polls.
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Majority speaks so far. Just like in other polls.
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Yeah it's interesting, I just wanted something not shaded, I probably shouldn't have even mentioned that I like mine
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Yeah it's interesting, I just wanted something not shaded, I probably shouldn't have even mentioned that I like mine
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Its fair enough. All I would want is people to vote honestly. N I feel the ones that like the prime always do. That's how all this type polls turn out the same. Majority loves the prime n want to keep it. We know prime has its flaws, for me GPS. But when you get a good working one, like me..lol, its too hard to deny that this is a great device. Just glad I don't have to deal with issues to take away from my enjoyment of it. Its like the prime stays glued to my hands now..lol my ipad just sits n collect dust now if my girl not using it..lol
I voted "Not decided". I have only had for a few hours and I Love everything about this Tablet except for the Wifi weakness and that might not be a deal breaker. The reason I got a Tablet was for my wife to take to meetings where she needs Wifi access for Webpages and the ability for her to transfer Documents and Data she has on our PC to the Tablet and vice versa. We had a 7 year old Laptop she had been using and it was time for an update anyhow and she loves the size and weight of a tablet. The Prime is PERFECT for her if she can get good WiFi at Conference meetings in Convention Centers and Hotels. She really doesn't have a meeting until April where she needs the Tablet so I am going to have to try to test the Wifi in some areas before hand since I have the 14 days I can return to Best Buy.
How often will you "wife" get to use it?
Back to dislike. Boo for sleep issue!
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About 70% so far like the prime and keeping it. This number will only get higher.
This is all The Delphi effect. The opinion of the masses will have more merit than the opinion of one random chosen person. Sociologists have discovered that and that alone determines the mood of what's really going on. Whenever it comes time to poll voting, those displeased or riddled with issues can never muster up the numbers to truely reflect the what's really going on. Also the excuse of oh people returned tablet n moved on is b.s. they mostly all still here watching and posting here. Seen tons that "Supposedly" returned device for good or "Done" with forums yet they hang around to make sure to try to bash. Lol its all funny actually but very obvious.
The Delphi effect will always determines what's really going on within a mass or group. Poll votes show only on the surface, front page general news, may look bad, but overall its a completely different story and complete opposite of what's it seeming like.
If you don't know what the Delphi effect means, look it up. Then all this will start to make sense on what's really going on.
clap your hands y'all, it's alright.
I have four Android tablets and sold off the fifth. My Prime is the best of the lot. It is not perfect, but the best.
Bye.
Love it and Keeping it....even if I have been bitten by the last update....I have confidence that ASUS will resolve the issues, its a new device on new software....its prime (pun intended) for issues.....but the sheer power of this device is awesome...and am a proud to own this beast.
I Like the style on mine personally that's about it. It works real good if I sit right beside my router and use it. Probably going to take it back, I love the design though I just wish my WiFi was better, then I would keep it for sure. I might just wait and get the Lenovo Tegra 3 or Samsung Tegra 3 when they come out. I hate to wait though, that's the only thing that will let me keep this is if I fell like I don't want to wait 4-5 months for the other Tegra 3s, but I heard Acer was coming out soon, like in a month or so. Just not a big fan of Acer Tegra 3. I Might get Samsung 8.9 just to hold me over. Its got a dual core 1.4, which will probably overclock close to 2.0GHZ dual core so I'm assuming its runs pretty good.
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About 70% so far like the prime and keeping it. This number will only get higher.
This is all The Delphi effect. The opinion of the masses will have more merit than the opinion of one random chosen person. Sociologists have discovered that and that alone determines the mood of what's really going on. Whenever it comes time to poll voting, those displeased or riddled with issues can never muster up the numbers to truely reflect the what's really going on. Also the excuse of oh people returned tablet n moved on is b.s. they mostly all still here watching and posting here. Seen tons that "Supposedly" returned device for good or "Done" with forums yet they hang around to make sure to try to bash. Lol its all funny actually but very obvious.
The Delphi effect will always determines what's really going on within a mass or group. Poll votes show only on the surface, front page general news, may look bad, but overall its a completely different story and complete opposite of what's it seeming like.
If you don't know what the Delphi effect means, look it up. Then all this will start to make sense on what's really going on.
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You add to your theory here I finally voted in one of these polls. I love my prime and will certainly be keeping it.
Wifi works fine everywhere I have used it having no trouble getting and holding a signal. At home I get 100% throughput of my 6mbps line and the router is in the very corner of my bedroom and I lay on the couch on complete opposite corner. My house is about 1500sqft and single level so it's through a door down the hall and around the corner from me.
Screen is great, two tiny spots of lightbleed on bottom left that is only visible on boot screen, it is utterly invisible during use and if it wasn't I would be returning it as I'm a videophile and it would drive me insane. No dead or stuck pixels either as a single one is unacceptable for me on any of my personally owned devices.
Battery is fine and in fact I haven't charged it in over two days now, granted only used it very lightly due to available time but that is still fantastic. The current charge is still 60% in fact.
I only use bluetooth for transferring small files between the tablet and my phone so haven't been able to test slowing of wifi with bluetooth headphones, and not having any wireless headphones probably won't be anytime soon. I do know it's not detrimental to my wife when I am actively using my sixaxis controller with an app of the same name though as I can still browse net without issue and launch ROMs off a mounted folder from my NAS.
Never had a single reboot or sleep of death either (knock on wood).
Don't know what else I can cover really, but the fact this is the first poll I have voted in and I am happy as I am with it shows some proof of the motivation that those that are happy with it have to actively hunt and vote on these things. I just recently started being louder about my satisfaction due to the extremely repetitive nature of a handful of negative posters.
My battery is draining faster after the most recent OTA and I've experienced a couple of lockups over the past week but not enough to make me want to return. I feel like these minor issues will be ironed out by Asus in the next OTA. Hopefully something else won't break, lol.
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My battery is draining faster after the most recent OTA and I've experienced a couple of lockups over the past week but not enough to make me want to return. I feel like these minor issues will be ironed out by Asus in the next OTA. Hopefully something else won't break, lol.
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As I look at my prime I just noticed a little issue that was fixed in the latest OTA. In the stock weather widget it was showing %% and is now showing %. That to me was a tiny issue...and guess what....they fixed it. So something like battery drain will get fixed. ASUS is known for fast responses to their customers. I am not worried about it...they will fix it.
Don't shoot messenger on this one. people believe that the Prime is being discontinued already. This is the Q&A Forum I'm newbie, so I asked here. Figured it was the correct area. Just read this thread and I don't know what to believe. All I know is Asucks wont fix our proven defected primes that we have right now.
http://www.transformerforums.com/forum/transformer-prime-general-discussions/13235-should-i-keep.html#post133813
People are talking about getting their refund while they can. I'm in the same situation but I got until the 22nd. I got the Champagne model with the dock. These docks are suppose to work with the new TF700 with the strip of plastic on the back, So if there isn't a design fault why not make the back of the new tablet the same as the Prime, Its already in production and would be easy for them to keep up production, everyone knows it’s the back causing these issues. on the new one they are fixing it like they should fix ours.
I would even pay shipping they should do this for everyone who spent their hard earned money and waited months after they paid to get this product only to be disappointed in certain things with it everyone who bought a prime should get the back replaced bottom line!!! It should pick up signals just like my galaxy 10.1 or my phone, it’s only fair. I would like to know if the GPS issue where they took that off the spec sheet is what they call in the legal world as "bait and switch" (LAWSUIT?).
Mine isn't too bad other than the Wi-Fi I get signal drops about every 20 seconds and a little light bleed on right side of screen its really minor in 3 small spots all on the right side of the screen the light bleed comes out about the size of a pencil if you laid it right beside the black in those spots actually one spot is about an inch up the other are about a half inch up the screen. That really don't bother me not noticeable unless on completely black screen and the light is turned up real high.
The guys on the forums have taken the back off and everything. It is a very good read but it proves its a default with Asus but they fixed their Primes themselves its a long thread but worth the read. I think this is going to turn into a modding tablet. At least I hope so, maybe I would keep it or buy another one later. The ones that took them apart got rid of the light-bleed by loosening the screws and playing around to just the right amount of pressure. But with the mods they have done with wires hooked up to the WLAN and GPS connections they got a strong signal and pick up satellites so it is an Asus default, they can’t deny it anymore, So hopefully they make a move at Asucks and fast before I have to send mine back for refund once again. I just wish they would own up and fix the Prime; it would save their reputation and make it a really good tablet that functions as it is suppose to.
Another issue is they probably have so many returns I think people that don't know might be getting screwed over because to be honest, actually I think I got a return sold to me as a brand new Tablet from a reputable source Newegg, I know Newegg would not re-box these so it would have to be Asucks and I think this might be Illegal not Newegg but Asus Selling used items as brand new. I think they may be getting returns that look brand new and boxing them up as new, when they were actually used. As far as mine goes it’s not like it came out of the box where you could tell for sure that it was used but it just didn't look in perfect condition like my other tablets I've opened and it’s been many at least over 10, but it’s very nice to be truthful and I couldn't prove if it was used for sure because it looks new, but I just have a feeling they are taking these returns that people are sending back that are opened already, and used maybe a couple times and selling them again as brand new that's just my opinion.
They have to have a giant pile of used Primes somewhere. Maybe down the line we will see refurbished ones but I haven't saw any yet and I know at least 6 people myself that took back open Primes. With slight use that still looked brand new when they were put back in the box. Sorry for such a long post I just wanted to share my experience and I'm going through the same thing. I don't know whether to ship back because I really do like it. Or If I should just wait it out for Acer or Lenovo to release their Tegra 3s, which is also suppose to have 2GB of ram, that's a huge difference in ram, or just keep what I have and hope Asus will make it right with us.
Waiting for the others Acer and Lenovo seems like it will be forever from what I've read they will release in the second quarter. I think I read somewhere that it is also going to be toward the end of the second quarter. I just can’t see myself holding onto this if it is going to be discontinued and if it will never get it fixed. Someone should start modding them the right person with the right skills. Where they will look nice and clean when finished with the mod. They would make a killing if they could get the Wi-Fi and GPS issue fixed with some sort of plexi or acrylic glass smoothed out on the back like the new one or the IPAD.
First: there is enter button on every keyboard. Use it from time to time.
Second: chaging the back to a plastic one isn't easy because it would require changing a lot of the internal construction (which uses the metal back) - at least from what I read.
I know there is an enter button man, see,
I was just in a hurry I had some schoolwork that needed finished. Deadlines.
Anyways I'm not talking replacing the entire back, just a strip on the back plate. You see what I'm trying to explain. Maybe a half to full inch strip across the back with either - epoxy or glued to the metal plating that's already there.
Maybe even get into design cuts, dragons, tribal, your name, whatever you liked cut out of the back plating. using a dremel or something similar, I don't know what you would cut that back plate with but I assume a dremel would work. then have a thin enough sheet of plexi glass or acrylic, then maybe some LED's, to light it up. I don't know if that would mess with the screen viewing though, just a thought that came as I was looking around my room.
Its just an idea I thought of when I looked over at my Modded Xbox to start modding similar to Xbox mods. Like on mine I have designs cut out and LED's, I have a design cut out of the top on the shell of my JTaged XBOX along with extra fans to keep it cool. It just adds another dimension to our possibilities.
I don't think Asucks is going to fix our primes. I bet they got a junkyard full of primes my third one is going back in a couple days. Light bleed, Bad reception from WiFi. If I go to the farthest place in my house, which is upstairs and back through a hallway and into the farthest bedroom, with all my tablets the prime is 30db less reception than the others?
By the way I wasn't trying to be an ass I was just in a hurry, and trying to get everything wrote down before my test. I had an online test that I had to login to. Sorry for the eyestrain!
my dilemma
so i just got my prime in the mail and have the keyboard for it...
and after reading many of these posts and threads i'm left wondering if i should just return it before i even open the fargin box. i'm actually contemplating opening a thread to get a poll going and see the common idea
I understand where your coming from. Its a crazy situation man. I would at least open it and see how it performs you might have one of the "good ones"? I know mine isn't all that good at least my GPS and WiFi, they suck. I can be in the same room walk 10 feet away and it loses a bar and drops a good amount in WiFi analyzer. That's just crazy. I'm pretty sure mine is going back I like it a lot too. Just if it didn't have those issues.
Does ANYONE know the release date for the Acer or the Lenovo. I'm more interested in the Lenovo. Asus needs some competition, like right now or soon, so that they get the point when people stop buying this Prime until its fixed. They don't care because people are still buying them.
i caved
so they say curiosity killed the cat... luckily this cat seems to have gotten away ok thus far.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1492609
i couldn't get the hyperlink to work properly on this tab but i'm sure i'll get it going in the future.
i'm liking it, in summary to the thread i just tried to link to is about how this one is working.
aside from the gps not getting a signal during a day and night of terrible weather, everything else seems to be going good and i can happily say that i think i got a good one... or rather one that works as it is supposed to.
i doubt i'll ever really need the gps functionality as the wifi can give me bing maps or googe maps or mapquest which can work with a little logical deduction, i'm thinking that even if that just doesn't work, i'm really not going to be swayed away from keeping this thing.
so far... me likey
Yeah I really don't want to let mine go either. I was just wondering does light bleed get worse? I can deal with the WiFi because it is acceptable. GPS don't matter to me. I got a cell for that.
The cell letting me connect to my Prime away from home, that is what is one of the things that is leaning me more toward keeping this tablet. I love that patch, I forget the guys name that got it figured out but, thanks again man. If I keep my cell right beside me the Prime stays on 4 bars but sometimes it drops to 3 bars. I'm on 3G but it seems to work decent. I'm thinking of trying a lighter browser for when I do tether.
Did you have a question hiding in that wall of text?
Light bleed should NOT get worse over time.
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Well... don't sweat it! I've got my Prime a few weeks ago and love it deeply. I come from the 'original' TF101 and I have (had) both with the keyboard dock. Light bleed is the same as with the previous model (little better). GPS, nah who uses THAT on their tablets anyway? As for WiFi, just works great and in comparison, just google for ipad wifi issues. My girlfriend has an ipad2 and it too has wifi issues (and not my prime or laptops). Keep it, use it, love it, that's my advise.
Did you have a question hiding in that wall of text?
Thanks for the replies on the questions that I did have. Yeah maybe I should have put this in general section, but the main question why I started this thread was to ask about the Prime being discontinued. Or if this was just a rumor.
I got a few days left to decide if I want to keep mine and if they discontinue it, I'm not going to keep it, its going back. Then I went off on how Asus aint doing SH*T for us, your right about the lack of many questions, but yeah there are some questions in there, along with my rambling about Asus, I'm just pretty pissed off about this man. Anyways if my OP offended you in any way, my bad man.
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There were plenty of questions, I just added them in quotes below. I don't even see the point of your post man, it added nothing beneficial. Thanks to those who answered. I have a better understanding now.
people believe that the Prime is being discontinued already. This is the Q&A Forum I'm newbie, so I asked here. Figured it was the correct area. Just read this thread and I don't know what to believe?
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People are talking about getting their refund while they can. I'm in the same situation but I got until the 22nd.
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I would like to know if the GPS issue where they took that off the spec sheet is what they call in the legal world as "bait and switch"
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I don't know whether to ship back because I really do like it. Or If I should just wait it out for Acer or Lenovo to release their Tegra 3s, which is also suppose to have 2GB of ram, that's a huge difference in ram, or just keep what I have and hope Asus will make it right with us.
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Does ANYONE know the release date for the Acer or the Lenovo. I'm more interested in the Lenovo. Asus needs some competition, like right now or soon, so that they get the point when people stop buying this Prime until its fixed. They don't care because people are still buying them.
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Yeah I really don't want to let mine go either. I was just wondering does light bleed get worse? I can deal with the WiFi because it is acceptable. GPS don't matter to me. I got a cell for that.
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Completely dumb thread based on false info and specualtion. Prime is not being discontinued. New TF-300 is not a replacement for the prime. Its actually a lower specs n lower price device aimed St different market. Its more like an OG transformer 1.5. New tf-700 is not a rreplacement for prime either. Aimed at a higher end market with its HD display. Not worth the extra$100 IMO. When there hasn't been any official tests or stats shown that plastic strip on back of its metal backcover actually improves wireless reception.
So believe into the senseless rumors if you want. Some people are so gullible..lmfao we already have tons of dev. Support n this ship will keep ln moving. Stop believing every single dang thing you hear on the internet..lmao. no proof at all to suggest Prime being discontinued. If anything. Production on it has been amped up.
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so i just got my prime in the mail and have the keyboard for it...
and after reading many of these posts and threads i'm left wondering if i should just return it before i even open the fargin box. i'm actually contemplating opening a thread to get a poll going and see the common idea
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Don't. As its pointless and will get shut down. Good working primes clearly outnumber faulty ones. Poll will immediately show to keep it. All other polls have same result. Majority satisfied with their prime and keeping it.
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I understand where your coming from. Its a crazy situation man. I would at least open it and see how it performs you might have one of the "good ones"? I know mine isn't all that good at least my GPS and WiFi, they suck. I can be in the same room walk 10 feet away and it loses a bar and drops a good amount in WiFi analyzer. That's just crazy. I'm pretty sure mine is going back I like it a lot too. Just if it didn't have those issues.
Does ANYONE know the release date for the Acer or the Lenovo. I'm more interested in the Lenovo. Asus needs some competition, like right now or soon, so that they get the point when people stop buying this Prime until its fixed. They don't care because people are still buying them.
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No new competitive tablets you mentioned will be out anytime soon. June the earliest. Too long of a wait IMO. By then Nvidia already will be ready to announce n roll out tegra4 devices. We one step ahead of the game..lol
Prime really aint as bad as I originally thought.
Completely dumb thread based on false info and specualtion. Prime is not being discontinued. New TF-300 is not a replacement for the prime. Its actually a lower specs n lower price device aimed St different market. Its more like an OG transformer 1.5. New tf-700 is not a rreplacement for prime either. Aimed at a higher end market with its HD display. Not worth the extra$100 IMO. When there hasn't been any official tests or stats shown that plastic strip on back of its metal backcover actually improves wireless reception.
So believe into the senseless rumors if you want. Some people are so gullible..lmfao we already have tons of dev. Support n this ship will keep ln moving. Stop believing every single dang thing you hear on the internet..lmao. no proof at all to suggest Prime being discontinued. If anything. Production on it has been amped up.
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I didn't say that I believed anything that's why I asked here in the Q&A forum, I assume the forum is for questions. To be honest, now that I've used my Prime for a few days I'm liking it the more I use it, and just to clear up another issue I read in another thread not all primes are affected by the new update. I got the latest update with no battery drain or SOD issues, I don't think I'm going to send it back anymore, I've grown to like this bad boy.
Its not really as bad compared to what I've read hear about some others. They have major Issues. I just don't want something to happen down the road that gives me all the lockups and random reboots that some others are having.
So you got a laugh on me, glad that I could make you smile man. You didn't spill your coffee or anything did you? j/k man, I come in peace for real. I'm just new to this tablet and all I seem to hear is bad news.
The only thing wrong with mine is problems I have I stated, not a very good reception and slight light bleed, but its not to bad at least the light bleed, you don't even notice it unless the tablet is all the way black and light is up above 60-70%. I guess I can deal with the reception. I still get 2 bars but I forget what I get upstairs on WiFi Analyzer, I know its like 20-25 less db than my phone, the Prime will drop down 20-25 db and come back up every couple minutes. Don't know why the Prime does this. I will have to search the forums about that.
I don't believe everything I read I guess I should have made my post more clear. I was just asking a question in a Question thread, isn't that what the this forum is for?
But peace, man for real though the questions I asked about was because I had no Idea and it seemed like I was going to have all these issues that others were reporting because of my weak WiFi and no GPS. I thought that was a sign of a bad Prime. I don't even really see me using the GPS anyways and if I did I could just tether my phone or use my phone, It has a big enough screen at 4.5". I just got this thing and I"m used to a strong connection from all my devices - Galaxy Tab, Touchpad, Viewsonic GTablet, 2 Nooks, and phone.
Just return it.
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I didn't say that I believed anything that's why I asked here in the Q&A forum, I assume the forum is for questions. To be honest, now that I've used my Prime for a few days I'm liking it the more I use it, and just to clear up another issue I read in another thread not all primes are affected by the new update. I got the latest update with no battery drain or SOD issues, I don't think I'm going to send it back anymore, I've grown to like this bad boy.
Its not really as bad compared to what I've read hear about some others. They have major Issues. I just don't want something to happen down the road that gives me all the lockups and random reboots that some others are having.
So you got a laugh on me, glad that I could make you smile man. You didn't spill your coffee or anything did you? j/k man, I come in peace for real. I'm just new to this tablet and all I seem to hear is bad news.
The only thing wrong with mine is problems I have I stated, not a very good reception and slight light bleed, but its not to bad at least the light bleed, you don't even notice it unless the tablet is all the way black and light is up above 60-70%. I guess I can deal with the reception. I still get 2 bars but I forget what I get upstairs on WiFi Analyzer, I know its like 20-25 less db than my phone, the Prime will drop down 20-25 db and come back up every couple minutes. Don't know why the Prime does this. I will have to search the forums about that.
I don't believe everything I read I guess I should have made my post more clear. I was just asking a question in a Question thread, isn't that what the this forum is for?
But peace, man for real though the questions I asked about was because I had no Idea and it seemed like I was going to have all these issues that others were reporting because of my weak WiFi and no GPS. I thought that was a sign of a bad Prime. I don't even really see me using the GPS anyways and if I did I could just tether my phone or use my phone, It has a big enough screen at 4.5". I just got this thing and I"m used to a strong connection from all my devices - Galaxy Tab, Touchpad, Viewsonic GTablet, 2 Nooks, and phone.
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Fair enough. You explained your situation well. If you think you may have a wifi range issue confirm it with wifi analyzer. Don't go by bars on prime wifi, not a good indicator. There are plenty out there that get strong connections. If you think its not working right, just exchange it. Or you could try forgetting your network, then rebooting and see if that fixes it. All wifi devices will vary but the prime should be on par with your other devices. Mines is on par with my Ipad and Atrix 4g.
What firmware are you on? If not on the latest update, get on it. Plus we have another update coming early next week.
Also if it has bad light bleed, in your opinion, then just exchange it also. Don't settle for it. You can just exchange it and get a fully capable device.
I won't lie... I was eager upon opening this thread, only to be greeted by this disappointing amount of ranting found within.
I considered sifting for questions... but then decided to make a sandwich instead.
Sent from the last remaining Prime; Leader of the Autopads.
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So believe into the senseless rumors if you want. Some people are so gullible..lmfao we already have tons of dev. Support n this ship will keep ln moving. Stop believing every single dang thing you hear on the internet..lmao. no proof at all to suggest Prime being discontinued. If anything. Production on it has been amped up.
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I will agree that the prime isn't "dead", but I will say ASUCKS has screwed this one so bad that there is no way production will continue as long as it was intended. I highly doubt that save a major MAJOR redesign of the tab, we will be seeing stock coming in for more than a ~2 mths past the TF700 series, despite what ASUCKS claims. If, and thats a big IF, the new TF700 or 300 for that matter has rectified our wifi/bluetooth/GPS problems, then production on the 201s will halt. Right now, as we speak, ASUCKS is trying to figure out how the hell they are going to weather the storm that is the blowup of the prime in their face. There's not a single techy I know that isn't aware of these issues, and most average consumers get their recommendations from us.
I would also venture to say that production has dropped, not to be argumentative demandarin, but the fact that stores can't get stock and RMAs are taking forever isn't because people are buying the hell out of these things, but because of the incredibly high return rate. Its because they know they have a serious design flaw that really can't be fixed baring admitting they originally lied when they said "we don't have any issues, we don't know what you all are talking about". And they certainly cannot admit that now with the pending lawsuit. This has been proven by huge retailers like Clove, Staples, and even AMAZON refusing to sell the damn thing due to high return rates. Honestly, when was the last time a retailer refused to sell a product before the manufacturer recalled it? So they have to weather the storm and hope that enough face can be saved and the TF 700/300 doesn't flop. They definitely lost alot of customers though, ALOT of people aren't happy, including my 2 classmates who got BC serials from bestbuy. On a side note, Staples has taken an official stance it seems to stop selling again despite the C1 reiteration they "promised" me would fix all my problems. Guess I have to return it for cash/giftcard this time around.
I've been an early adopter all my life. I am that asshole who waits in line at best buy to get the XBOX on opening night, and picked up the SGN on launch day. I used to have great faith in asus, loved them and their products, this was a naaaaasty flop. I'll be holding out until we get our new MWC announcements and see what kind of functionality the other manufacturers can bring. It's going to be really hard for me to be an early adopter of ASUcks again though.
Also I get the whole T700 premium tablet arguement, I dont want the high res display either, those pixels dont matter on a 10" screen and it'll do nothing but eat my battery/performance for $100, but imo working wifi at the hospital, which is mainly where I'll use it, is more important to me, and well worth $100 for a solid build that acer is likely to lack and working wifi/geolocation/bluetooth.
Honestly though if you can get a working prime that satisfies your needs, I'll be the first to say keep it. The device is unparalleled when working properly. Unfortunately I cannot justify paying ~500 for a tablet that won't give me continuous wifi in my hospital setting where walls are abundant, and I cant bluetooth my Breaking Bad audio to ignore vampire gayness. *high five demandarin*
sry, that was long, back to psych final studyin =\
Does anyone think these crazy deals on the G2 means something is inherently bad with the G2? Maybe the networks are giving up on it or something else is coming out soon? Maybe this means there will be more out there so better dev support? I'm not sure but my wife and I are getting each getting one tonight.
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jagman96 said:
Does anyone think these crazy deals on the G2 means something is inherently bad with the G2? Maybe the networks are giving up on it or something else is coming out soon? Maybe this means there will be more out there so better dev support? I'm not sure but my wife and I are getting each getting one tonight.
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You'll be happy you did. This device is fantastic!! All those reviewers out there crapping on this phone are sharing each others medications or something. They need to use it for more than 20mins.
Yea. Its a great phone. You won't be disappointed with it
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No, I don't think something new is coming out I think they are not selling as much as an iPhone or Galaxy phone. People have no idea what they are missing.
Just got mine
I just got one yesterday, and I am damn glad I did. Love this thing already!! P.S. Price drop can mean more people picking one up too.
steve.messer84 said:
I just got one yesterday, and I am damn glad I did. Love this thing already!! P.S. Price drop can mean more people picking one up too.
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Doubt it, I was told by multiple Verizon employee's that they we're selling more samsung and apple devices. One store didn't even carry the G2 for that reason.
Well then that very well might mean more dev support as those who are buying it are probably our type .
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My android progression has been: HTC Thunderbolt, Galaxy Nexus, Droid Razr Maxx HD, and now the LG G2. This phone is AWESOME! Best of the bunch. I've seen the S4 and HTC One, and I think this phone is better than them (although I do really like the HTC One form factor). As you can see, I have no brand loyalty . Hopefully these low prices will get lots of people buying the phone and make it a lot more popular than it is now. It deserves to be in as many peoples hands as possible!
Verizon is doing this to keep its customers. The g2 is identical to the nexus 5, they know this. Anyone with half a brain knows this.
So, have people jump ship and go to sprint or att for 150 dollar phone?
Or they can stay on verizon, get the same phone for 50 bucks.
Verizon knows how to do damage control, they arent that stupid.
There will be a new line up of phones for 2014.
I dont know about you guys, coming from a 2 year old galaxy nexus, I sure as hell could not wait till 2014 for a new phone and This g2 will def last 2 years easily as long as no hardware malfunctions occur..
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Verizon is doing this to keep its customers. The g2 is identical to the nexus 5, they know this. Anyone with half a brain knows this.
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Except they are not identical. They are similar. :silly:
Isn't the rumor that some of the price drops are occurring because of the upcoming release of the White Version of the G2? At least for Verizon.
Just my two cents but it could be that LG is trying to push more units out and lure people with its price point. LG doesn't have a reputation like Samsung and Apple. They have invested a lot of money in advertising the G2 and I really think they are just trying to get peoples hands on this device. I fell in love with the G2 this way and I initially had the intentions of going sg4.
This phone is amazing and so many times of thought about trading it for a note 3 and said no because of litteraly everything about it. When I want to trade nothing gets in my way. The more people they can get the g2 in peoples hands the better chance lg might not ditch the phone and support it.
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Best phone I've owned hands down - I've had many many phones, been a pretty big power user, had iPhones, Palms (Bold and Pre), and now all androids from HTCs, Samsungs, to now LG, Loved the S3, Note 2, and was ok with the S4, but thing thing is the best I've had by far and away out of any of them. I gave up on the S4 mainly due to the locked bootloader and the inability to run AOSP roms on it and may never be able to after the OTAs.
I am so glad I got this phone. You'll love it.
psst.
http://www.androidcentral.com/nexus-5-vs-lg-g2
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Except they are not identical. They are similar. :silly:
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True they are similar and unless your just have to have a Nexus device the G2 for the masses is better than the N5.
Warning: included is a long history of my Android and parts of my development career which when read lends insight into how I feel.. But feel free to skip to the last few paragraphs. I've frequented XDA since I got my OG DROID and still don't have ten posts... Loser.. Lol.. Well, you've been warned so don't give me a top long I'm too lazy to read. Just skip it, or read the first paragraph or so and skip to the end.. Or read it all. I need more posts so I can start contributing to the dev section and figured I'd actually write what I felt instead of a "lol" just to increase my count.
The Nexus 5 surely doesn't get better battery life ^_^ So much for Google's claims of Kit Kat improving battery life by 20%. I started with the OG DROID and was a common visitor here (although I was to new to post anything useful. I came from being a veteran C/C++ Windows developer. I drove my programmers crazy cause they were all taught MFC - I would never write anything that included the MFC libraries and instead used the Windows Template Libraries. For some reason using templates was Greek to most of them. Never was officially released I don't think but as a MCP I had access to a lot of tools that the Microsoft team actually used themselves. It used templates instead of classes and made building UI easier with a tiny footprint (no larger than just using API) compared to the footprint MFC brought in.
Eventually I just switched to Visual Basic so my programmers could work and maintain the UI and I'd write all the non UI mess using C/C++ (sometimes Java) as distributed objects so that they could just use these lightweight interfaces inside of VB (or whatever language they wanted to use...as long as they could import them in from .dlls or the occasional .exe server. This eventually progressed to where I was used to just create distributed classes/interfaces. For example, the method used for shipping using the FedEx PowerShip Plus servers was to the manually feed in shipping data and the process wasn't integrated. I was working where we shipped music merchandising (musictoday.com). There was a better way. It took forever as FedEx has a huge manual of shipping codes. Wrote up interfaces and implemented. Used that model so that others could import in my implemented version and override whatever functions they needed (this was before VB caught up and allowed this sort of behavior in classes, before then just interfaces. FedEx eventually bought out this component and I got nothing since all my work belonged to them. Also created a ticketing system for several bands connected to a thermal printer to print them. Dave Matthews was the main one using it as our company (Redlight which owned musictoday and Starr Hill.. Owned by Coren Capshaw) was their managers. Their main rehearsal studio at home was adjacent to the gym there where I worked out every day for hours (pissing our CTO off, but i ran the show in the development department and he knew it). Ended up hanging out with him a few times at Boars Head Inn and a few others (too bad I hated his music.. Told him I couldn't stand it and he just laughed). Developed the Friends of Live fansite and I guess I was their first fan club member even though I never signed up (another band I didn't care for much.. I like rock but).. Realized later after I kept receiving VIP passes to their shows (all access backstag, etc.. Which i gave away btw to family) thst I was there first fan because I designed the database for the fan site as well (yeah, was forced to play way too many roles there) and had used my information while testing it out and when I switched it over from the dev database to the live one, I forgot that I had also entered my info in that one as well while creating tthe tables.. Lol
Sorry for the long post about some of my history, but when the OG DROID came out which was my first, my Windows development ceased and I decided to learn Android. Quickly found it was built on a Linux kernel and it took off quickly from there. I even wrote a lot of inline assembly inside some of the IIS extensions I wrote thst queried our database as it had to be fast enough to handle all the traffic querying at the time. I can brag our search routines were fast.. (specifically the routine for searching for concerts based on artist, venue, etc..). I had SQL procedures that parsed the actual query string that the user entered. Which had to be smart enough to detect wildly misspelled names and such.. It was hundreds of lines long). The IIS extension was the bridge and as anyone who's used IIS (well back then) knows, you couldn't write extensions that were heavy.. Or else you'd slow everything down. For making the actual SQL connections, queries, and retuning results, I used the lightest method I could find.. raw SQL with a lot of inline assembly. All that was written just to say I want to kill someone everytime I loolnat small machine code. I can maybe change a color somewhere or if lucky enable paid features on free apps if I'm able by grace of God to find where the correct switch is. And don't get me started other ****... It's like trying to write with your opposite writing hand while driving in a foreign country where they drive on the other side of the road and keep the quality of each at optimum levels. RGB colors for examle are not FFAA66..no..you have to reverse it.
Anybody downloading any mods here which involve reverse engineering and editing small should not take what they get for granted and be very appreciative to the developer. I've followed the scene since the beginning (HarvesterX) and helped out a little (such as on the old Avalon theme for OG DROID which ended up requiring more editing then we were capable of.). While I had my PC, I built a few of my own ROMs (gingerbread.. That's how long I've been without one and when I need to root a phone I use the work computer). Then in progressed to helping debug some applications for some awesome developers. Apps I'm sure the majority of anyone rooted and on here uses as well as ones who those who like to mod use. I don't develop em just debug and troubleshoot and test so I won't give names or credit for any of it. The point is to show that it does take time and lots of work and the guys/gals here are fantastic. If they are doing this professionally, they would be making between $44,000-$110000 a year from it depending on location and level of knowledge. To do this for free means thst you.. Thst we need to donate back by either donating to the develops themselves, or donate to a charity, or just give something of yourself.
Next phone was the Galaxy Nexus. Love or hate it.. It was a great phone when first released and the development was top grade. I went through a rough time in my life during these years and stayed out of actively developing anything or helping (I did throw out a little weather mod that showed the weather as an icon in the notification bar. Soon after I shared it on another site I saw it pop up on a very popular ROM. Didn't irk me.. I took it as a compliment I guess. I wasn't looking for credit. Was just to give back to some friends. Did some theme work for friends as well nothing big
When the GNex eventually died I was sad but happy a the same time. Loved the design of the phone and it could have still been good as a music server or something. USB Flex died on me and by the time the replacement flex arrived in the mail in and gave in and bought the G2 hesitantly. I had horrible past experiences with my baby mommas (ex thank the heavens) LG Ally. Everytime I has to use that phone I wanted to throw it against the wall. It wasn't BAD except crippled as LG decided to skimp on memory. If it had had the same as the OG DROID it would have been much better. I was able to root it and throw on the only custom kernel I could find and thst helped a little.. But the display was grainy and the only positives it had was having Stock Android on it. I knew I didn't want a Samsung device as their ethics have been questionable and frankly I had tried a Motorola (used several actually but only owned the one), a Samsung (again, used lots of em but owned one..), and wanted to see what HTC, Sony, and LG had to offer. Well Sony wasnt gonna happen as I'm not leaving VZW while I'm rocking their unlimited at $50 a month and getting 30-40Mbs downloads at home (can't wait til Advanced is turned on). T-Mobile isn't an option period where I live.. It's no contest). So it was between the One and the G2. I knew about each and the specs (want aware though of all the under the hood specs thst LG didn't advertise a lot, such as their advances in display technology and GRAM). The One is a wonderful piece of hardware and the sound and screen, and build quality screamed at me. If it was one of the unlockable Ones or a Dev Edition I possibly may has missed on the G2. When I saw the G2 I already read about how it was great but..I can't go on reviews.. They are biased as hell and I can't count how many times I've found completely false statements splattered all over a device's review. First impression was thst.. Damn this looks beautiful. Hadn't turned the screen on yet. Reviews said thst it was plastic, felt cheap, and fingerprint magnet. Hmm. Looked more like a high quality poly-carbonate material and it was solid. I was my hands at least two or three times a day.. As well as clean my phone once every day or two. Found the power button and wow. The screen felt like silk. That's all I needed to see. I had already known that dev support would be there for it and I was afraid if I waited then an OTA would come around blocking the loki exploit. Grabbed it at off contract price and realized.. "NO BEZELS!".. I smoke.. (switched to vaporizers though but back to cigarettes while looking for a really good vape.. One I had was crap..). Well thise who smoke I'm sure have had ashes end up inside the bezel and the screen and used tweezers or similar to remove if blowing didn't help... Lol ok yeah I love the phone. I can't say anything bad actually.. Well having bezels is great but also a little irritating at times (rarely but..). If you try to type or drag an icon or tap a link and you have a finger eight on the edge it can cause problems. Took me a while before I realized why my notification bar kept being pulled halfway down..
This huge post leads to the question at hand. Is the price cut good? I like having the G2 as a hidden gem. Had it at work yesterday because I had inadvertently formatted ALL of my data partitition (thanks TWRP! on one side you have format data and a big Warning.. So I go to advanced section and check the box there as I came from clockwork and that seemed the thing to do.. They had a huge Warning on the other button..). Well while downloading the latest CyanogenMod nightly and gapps (just to get something on the phone.. Looking for a ROM I like atm.. Like the CyanogenMod nightlies but calls drop often). The links to all the roms I wanted to try were all leading to dead ends yesterday.. Haven't tried today though. I was using the floor computer and had logged in as admin. During the time I was waiting for the downloads to finish three customers had came in (I sale and install wireless Internet, and one of the few technicians) migrated to see what I was doing. Then I started getting questions like "where are the buttons?" as I had it laying on its back. I had questions of if they could test it out and if it was for sale.. I laughed and said no its my personal one but they are welcome to play with it when I get an operating system back on it. They watched as I opened a command prompt up and pushed the files over and watched the whole recovery process (these are regular people who had no clue any of this was possible). After signing into CyanogenMod and Android I handed it over to the wolves. All three asked me how much and where they could get one (one lady asked me which carrier mine was running one.. Guess she missed all the Verizon branding.. Lol. I told them they could pick up one for AT&T or Verizon (stopped thwre because where I live those are the only viable options for a radius of 40-50 miles.. And a reason our propriety wireless Internet sells so easily.)
I don't know or inside them on the G2 or Android itself but as everyone here knows (and if you don't you will now), stores are going to push devices from the top manufacturers and among those, the devices that they can also sell you accessories for. That mean Apple and Samsung (and the DROID line). LG is known for appliances. And there isn't the plethora of accessories the salesman can tack on. If this phone was pushed the same as the Note 3 or the 5s the price would not be dropping as fast. LG has a history of rapidly dropping it's prices on phones because of this very reason. They can't muscle the store to push their merchandise so they have to resort to drastically cutting costs to recoup on the capital invested.
LG knows they have a hit on their hands as I've never seen as many commercials for any LG product as often as I'm seeing the various G2 comments. The problem is, the commercials aren't really memorable. OK.. Look at Nexus 5 sales versus G2 sales. The Nexus 5 is shipping out of inventory at Google almost as fast as they enter. Google knows how to market. They know the target audience for the Nexus 5 (and since the Nexus 7, the name has became a lot more mainstream). They never had to show one commercial. This leaves me torn. If the G2 had shipped with stock Android and updates straight from Google then it would have sold as fast if not faster then the Nexus 5. The best part is, it's just as easy to unlock (*cough* bypass) the bootloader on the G2 as it is for the Nexus 5. N5 has the advantage in updates.. Yeah we have 4.3 and will have 4.4 but until LG releases updated libraries for the G2, the 4.3 and 4.4 bulds will be a mix and mash of the new thst works mixed with older lib files. Same problem on the OG DROID, yes that was a HUGE hit.
It's not like LG isn't gaining recognition as they've developed all the latest Nexi.. Problem is thlse aren't sold as LG Nexus. In my opinion LG has been the most innovative this round of relaases. Yes they deserve more, but it's not a "Ah good job here's a good star" world. There are bullies on the playground and we all know the two bullies I'm talking about. LG has to keep fighting back and winning. They need to see the G2 as an astounding success (though I'm sure it will be passed on for having 1GB less RAM.. Which might be relevant by the next time upgrades roll around but for now... On Samsung stuff I get it as TouchWiz used 1GB of it..) instead of just a failed device. I recommend this phone to everyone. I show it to them and they say *I love it but can't afford it*.. Well its like $79 or cheaper.. How much cheaper do you want? I paid $549 for mine off contract. Hopefully by the time they jeep unlimited away I'll live where T-Mobile is solid or they'll expand here.
Yikes. Please don't quote him.
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jagman96 said:
Does anyone think these crazy deals on the G2 means something is inherently bad with the G2?
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lowish price high end phones is all the rage. just ask google
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Have to disagree about the statement above (the g2 is identical to the n5) I have both and the g2 is much better than the n5 -front facing camera 2.1mp =back camera 13mp both better, sound quality much better, battery life is much better, not charged the g2 for three days and its at 13% and the design and quality on the g2 is, well its designed !whereas the n5 looks functional in comparison but then you are paying more for the g2, anyhow enjoy your phones, if you put the phones together and compare them the g2 just looks better, I think this phone is the best on the market right now
but that's just my thoughts.