Hey Everyone,
I have been pretty much decided on purchasing a Nexus 10 as my first entry in to the Tablet market. I planned on selling my Macbook and attempting to live with just a tablet, as to be honest, there isn't much I do on my Macbook nowadays that I could not achieve on a tablet. I wanted to wait until I could play with a Nexus 10 in a store prior to making a purchase just in case though. Obviously this will have to wait a little longer.
In the mean time, my brother just arrived for a visit from Australia and he has the Asus Transformer TF201. I had a play with this last night and have to say, I am very impressed. It has such a solid feel, looks premium and the keyboard dock which has extra battery and all the ports needed is quite fantastic. I hadn't seen one before and wondered what he was doing when he took the screen off what I thought was a small netbook! After having a play, I did some research and see the TF700 has a rather nice HD screen, a little more power and comes in the same lovely package. The only problem is, I can't see it available in the UK anywhere and from all my research, it seems it was due out a while back. It seems to be available at some places in Europe, for example you can get a French one, which would have a French keyboard, which I'm not too interested in. Otherwise, you can get from America on Ebay for around 420 pounds including delivery.
Has anyone got this TF700 and if so, what are your thoughts? How do you compare to the Nexus 10? Did you give up the TF700 for the Nexus 10? Or will you be staying put? It's small package and keyboard make it quite an ideal laptop replacement. I don't think it's quite as powerful as the Nexus 10 though.
I hope I posted this in the right place, if not, please tell me and I'll amend.
Cheers,
Mike
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Mikeparakh said:
Hey Everyone,
I have been pretty much decided on purchasing a Nexus 10 as my first entry in to the Tablet market. I planned on selling my Macbook and attempting to live with just a tablet, as to be honest, there isn't much I do on my Macbook nowadays that I could not achieve on a tablet. I wanted to wait until I could play with a Nexus 10 in a store prior to making a purchase just in case though. Obviously this will have to wait a little longer.
In the mean time, my brother just arrived for a visit from Australia and he has the Asus Transformer TF201. I had a play with this last night and have to say, I am very impressed. It has such a solid feel, looks premium and the keyboard dock which has extra battery and all the ports needed is quite fantastic. I hadn't seen one before and wondered what he was doing when he took the screen off what I thought was a small netbook! After having a play, I did some research and see the TF700 has a rather nice HD screen, a little more power and comes in the same lovely package. The only problem is, I can't see it available in the UK anywhere and from all my research, it seems it was due out a while back. It seems to be available at some places in Europe, for example you can get a French one, which would have a French keyboard, which I'm not too interested in. Otherwise, you can get from America on Ebay for around 420 pounds including delivery.
Has anyone got this TF700 and if so, what are your thoughts? How do you compare to the Nexus 10? Did you give up the TF700 for the Nexus 10? Or will you be staying put? It's small package and keyboard make it quite an ideal laptop replacement. I don't think it's quite as powerful as the Nexus 10 though.
I hope I posted this in the right place, if not, please tell me and I'll amend.
Cheers,
Mike
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Mike,
I've had both the Prime and the Infinity. Prime was plagued with light bleed issues and bad wifi reception so Asus traded mine for the TF700. It was nearly perfect for one dumb but vital mistake, the eMMc on which Asus decided to save some money (that is, they put a very poor and cheap one in it). Because of that, the devices lags in the browser and starts lagging when you have multiple apps open. By lag I don't mean it takes micro secs longer. The device would just lock up for a few seconds before continuing (slowly) and does that a few times.. There is a work-a-round which improves performance a bit called CleanROM. However, for that you have to unlock your device which you have to do via the Asus website and voids all your warranty. So I sold the Infinity to get the N10 as I was sick of it. I hope the N10 is better.
Hope this helps a bit...
The cheap emmc on all Asus tablets is a deal breaker. Untill they fix that I wouldn't recomend any asus tablet.
I am not confident about Transformer's storage performance. Check this simple video about boot speed. Obviously SoC plays a part, but I believe that the NAND also plays a vital role.
Just found some numbers. Check the Infinity numbers about Androbench storage test:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6073/the-google-nexus-7-review/6
Compare this against N10:
http://cdn.androidpolice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/nexusae0_Screenshot_2012-11-07-12-09-06.png
Important are first 4 numbers (Sequential read/write and random read/write).
Seeing 2 votes for the Asus, any reasons why guys? Input would be greatly appreciated! Cheers.
I have both in my posession right now.
The infinity like others have said is almost a perfect tablet. It has everything. However the device is SLOW. As others have stated Asus cheaper out on the memory and using the device is a chore.
I will be keeping my nexus and returning my 700. The nexus is amazingly smooth, less light bleed than my Asus.
The only downfall is no micro SD on the nexus vs the Asus.
Edit: there are votes for the nexus, not the Asus. Everyone so far has been pro nexus
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Same here,nice display on tf700 but using it is a chore
As soon as my order is marked as shipped im putting it on ebay/craigslist
duarian said:
I have both in my posession right now.
The infinity like others have said is almost a perfect tablet. It has everything. However the device is SLOW. As others have stated Asus cheaper out on the memory and using the device is a chore.
I will be keeping my nexus and returning my 700. The nexus is amazingly smooth, less light bleed than my Asus.
The only downfall is no micro SD on the nexus vs the Asus.
Edit: there are votes for the nexus, not the Asus. Everyone so far has been pro nexus
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When you say slow, do you mean in all operations? Or anything specific? I used the TF201 last night for a few hours of web browsing and general stuff and that seemed to be pretty good. It was running Jellybean too. Surely the TF700 must be a step up from this in performance which couldn't be that bad?
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When you say slow, do you mean in all operations? Or anything specific? I used the TF201 last night for a few hours of web browsing and general stuff and that seemed to be pretty good. It was running Jellybean too. Surely the TF700 must be a step up from this in performance which couldn't be that bad?
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There's nothing wrong with the tf700. It appeals to a lot of people that offers a lot of options. I owned a tf700 and enjoyed it for the 30 days AI had it. It was fast and JB was a nice welcome. I had rooted it and stayed locked and stocked. Only tweaks were installing Browser2ram for faster stock browser experience. Its true IO is an issue if you choose to stay locked. Available ram will dip close to 350 to 400mb available from its 1gig. Sometime as low as 100mb left due to having several widgets and or playing a high intensive game. So multitasking can be a challenge at times. If you unlock and install a custom rom like Cleanrom, you won't have any IO issues. It is definitely a step up from the Prime, I also owned that for 6months before I switched to the Infinity. Just returned my Note10.1 for the N10! Can't wait to get my hands on it!
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Wasn't intending to put the Asus down. It is a great tablet. The only thing that holds it back is the slow internal memory. To really bring out the full potential you have to unlock it (which voids the warranty sending your serial number to Asus). Install cleanrom and a kernel, and some have gone as far as buying a class 10 64gb micro SD and moving the data partition to that negating the internal memory.
I would keep my Asus if the internal wasn't so slow. Browsing Netflix, the market was just tedious. Installing apps took forever. I would much rather do things on. My phone than the Asus. Its a shame because that's the only flaw I found with the tablet.
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I cannot comment on ASUS's poor choice on the internal storage; but with a Galaxy Prevail I had, there was a mod that could transfer data to an external micro SD card. Upon doing this, I couldn't even use the device just due to how bad the lag was (the micro SD card I was using must of been a slower class). Switched back to internal, and all was well.
So using a slower flash controller can make the overall experience of a device very much worse.
My input is biased as I have not owned Nexus 10, and may not ever. Still debating.
But I have done extensive research about all the major tablet out there including Nexus 10, various windows 8 tablets, and owned Infinity myself for about 3 months or so. I sold it in anticipation of Nexus 10.
So here are some of things I can tell (nexus 10 part is just a speculation, and definitely guys own the device can tell you better)
Screen - Nexus 10
Infinity's screen was phenomenal when I jumped from iPad 2. Then I got Note 10.1, and just could not tolerate the lower resolution anymore so had to go back to Infinity. I am not sure if the Infinity to Nexus 10 gives the same degree of jump, but it is possible if you purely look at difference in number of pixel densities. Though one thing I can say is if you never used higher resolution screen, it's hard to know what you are missing. Because I saw new Ipad several times, but until owned Infinity myself and used for couples day I really did not appreciate the difference.
Battery Life - Infinity.
Charge time is faster, extra docking battery, and perhaps tablet itself already has better battery than the Nexus 10 according to paper.
Extra storage - Infinity
MicroSD. I am sure you can connect couple cables via microUSB and use them on Nexus 10 as well, but certainly not as convenient and visually not as good.
Build Quality - Likely Nexus 10
I have never exchanged any of my electronics before in my life. With infinity, I had to do it twice and seems like quite few complaints on the forum here. So when you get a good unit, it's great but there is chance you might have to go through couple exchange. As far as light bleed, some person posted on this forum that Nexus 10 has light bleed. That was actually worth if not the same to the worst light bleed I had on my 3 infinity tablet i.e. both have light bleed.
Dock station - Its really nice to have docking keyboard on infinity. People are hoping Pogo connector on Nexus 10 to support this, and personally I am dreaming the same. However, to be honest, I am not even certain that connector support such type of input.
Application Performance - Likely Nexus 10
Overall performance is likely stronger on Nexus 10, but so far reviews I have read across multiple sites sounds like not a complete ground breaking performance. Nexus 10 certainly has better GPU than Infinity, but supports way more pixels. CPU wise, perhaps it may be due to the fact the some benchmarks are not yet optimized for A15 architecture, but if you look at some benchmark like Antutu Infinity is superior. (Mainly because quad vs. dual core difference I believe). The other test is Sunspider, which is browser test. After the latest firmware update, Infinity's stock browser gives 900's score. Clearly above the Nexus 10, but nexus 10's score also likely to go up. However, there tests are generally just number and I don't think not true reflection of real experience by any mean.
As far as slow internal storage, it is true that Infinity uses inferior internal storage; however, whether you really notice this as major issue or not is depends on how you use your tablet. Initially, people complained this as a cause of slow browser page loading, near complete stall of system while application downloading. Also, relatively frequent application not responding errors. These have been alleviated by update; however, not eradicated. So wonder how Nexus 10 solved this.
Wifi Performance - Nexus 10
MiMo should give quite extra wifi performance.
Future proof - ?
Nexus 10 will definitely get quicker updates on OS. But ASUS is also very fast in fact it has been one of the fastest to get OS update among non nexus device. Though actual overall internal hardware is somewhat inferior to that of Nexus 10, Infinity drives less resolution so it may be relatively sufficient for what it has. If so, as developer supports more higher resolution applications on Android platform (to support Nexus 10), Infinity will also benefit at the same time. So my guess is unless Asus gives up, relative future proof are probably similar between the two.
Conclusion
In current stage of tablet market, I just don't see any tablet that is perfect or completely superior to other competitive device including Nexus 10, Infinity, and Galaxy Note 10.1. Personally, I want a tablet with high resolution screen, luxury of Infinity's dock, microSD, and Galaxy Note 10.1's stylus. WIth zero crash, 10 hours battery, less than 600g... Closest I see for potential right now (myself) is Windows surface Pro but even it lacks battery life, and weight factor. Maybe Samsung's next tablet (Galaxy Note 10.1 with high resolution screen)... I think you just need to list what is important for you and decide.
I had both the Prime and the Infinity. The main reason I returned them was because I read this forum. The Prime had its issues, but I did just fine with the router in my room, and outside the house I always used my phone as a hotspot so the wi-fi problems did not hit me hard. The GPS NEVER worked, but I said to myself, who cares, I have GPS on my phone. I ended up returning it because Best Buy let me (which I also found about here), and because after reading the forum I had the idea that it was the right thing to do, I did pay good money for the device.
As for the Infinity, it was perfect... to me, it was, but again, from reading the forums I had the urge to return it because it ticked me off that ASUS "overlooked" a glaring flaw AGAIN. But to be honest, I was fine with the performance.
I have the Nexus 10 and it is also a good device so no regrets. People are finding flaws on it already, like some flexing in the back. I have the flexing, it's very, very small, and it doesn't bother me at all, light bleed? I don't even know what that is and if I have it.
If you can try out the Infinity and don't feel like it's sluggish AND really loved the dock and expandable memory, get it. Not everyone is as picky with their devices. This is not meant as an insult to anyone here, I just feel like some here look for perfection more than I do. I can understand that because these devices are not cheap at all.
Usually, I tend to stick with what i have and learn to love it, unless it's just a really crappy device or it doesn't work at all.
I hope I have helped you a bit in making your decision.
FINAL EDIT: I forgot to say this, imo, the Infinity felt much more solidly built, the Aluminum just felt right.
Why does everyone keep attributing the lag they see on the transformer infinity to hardware issues? This argument has already been debunked due to the software optimization of cleanrom and c10 without overclocking... any issues that might be noticed on the infinity will be fixed with future updates. So please people, stop with the inaccurate assumptions. The infinity is an absolute beast and so is the N10. The deal breaker for me with the N10 is the battery and no sd card slot. Those are huge issues for me that CAN'T be corrected with updates. The battery is issue has been known since the first reviews came in.
Both devices are awesome, but i have to give the edge to the infinity...OP i would ask yourself these questions...
1. Is battery life important to you?
2. How good are both manufacturers with software updates?
3. Is external storage important to you?
4. Would you rather metal or plastic? Does it male a difference to you?
5. Is having the option of converting your tablet into a netbook appealing to you?
6. Is having Extra battery life through a keyboard dock appealing to you?
I would ask yourself these questions before making your decisions. Good luck!
pierrekid said:
Why does everyone keep attributing the lag they see on the transformer infinity to hardware issues? This argument has already been debunked due to the software optimization of cleanrom and c10 without overclocking... any issues that might be noticed on the infinity will be fixed with future updates. So please people, stop with the inaccurate assumptions. The infinity is an absolute beast and so is the N10. The deal breaker for me with the N10 is the battery and no sd card slot. Those are huge issues for me that CAN'T be corrected with updates. The battery is issue has been known since the first reviews came in.
Both devices are awesome, but i have to give the edge to the infinity...
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It is hardware. The benchmarks shown the internal memory of the Asus to be extremely slow. The read/right in benchmarks is slow. I think 0.2 mb/s at times?
Cleanrom doesn't fix that...it just masks it somewhat. I've watched videos of cleanrom and yes it works great, but tweaking software only takes it so far.
Being forced to unlock and give up your warranty on a $500 device to mask the hardware is just not worth it IMO.
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It is hardware. The benchmarks shown the internal memory of the Asus to be extremely slow. The read/right in benchmarks is slow. I think 0.2 mb/s at times?
Cleanrom doesn't fix that...it just masks it somewhat. I've watched videos of cleanrom and yes it works great, but tweaking software only takes it so far.
Being forced to unlock and give up your warranty on a $500 device to mask the hardware is just not worth it IMO.
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Its not hardware, its software. And doesn't mask the i/o issues, it optimizes the software to make better use of the storage speeds. And I'm saying you don't have to unlock, I'm saying that the issues you might see ( which are almost non existent since the last update) CAN be corrected with updates, as made by example of cleanrom. Also looking around these boards, you guys are dealing with some pretty serious issues of your own...
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Its not hardware, its software. And doesn't mask the i/o issues, it optimizes the software to make better use of the storage speeds. And I'm saying you don't have to unlock, I'm saying that the issues you might see ( which are almost non existent since the last update) CAN be corrected with updates, as made by example of cleanrom. Also looking around these boards, you guys are dealing with some pretty serious issues of your own...
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Well I'm not trying to start an argument on the forums. I have both, all with the latest firmware and the N10 flies compared to my Asus. I was really, really trying to like the asus...but its just to sluggish for me. Everyone has their own opinions and needs from a device. Mine just lean more towards the nexus.
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Asus tablets are honestly terrible. Every single display model I have ever used from the transformer, prime, infinity, tf300 etc has all had either a poor wifi connection or ran like crap. Coincidence? Slight possibilty, but considering I go to a lot electronic stores, that doesn't instill me with much confidence.
I am actually shocked that Asus managed to make the Nexus 7 run well, it is plagued with hardware issues but at least it runs well.
Maybe their next crack at the infinity will be good but for now it sucks and the Nexus 10 seems quite awesome.
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Well I'm not trying to start an argument on the forums. I have both, all with the latest firmware and the N10 flies compared to my Asus. I was really, really trying to like the asus...but its just to sluggish for me. Everyone has their own opinions and needs from a device. Mine just lean more towards the nexus.
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Unless you have reset your infinity to factory and done a full clean update to the latest firmware, along with either keeping stock on both devices or having exactly the same apps installed, then making a point that one device is faster than the other is not accurate. I can show you a nexus 1 factory reset and that will "fly" faster than a galaxy nexus that hasn't been put through the same treatment, doesn't mean the nexus 1 is the better device.
Your right, it does come down to needs and personal opinions, just gotta make sure your making those decisions on accurate information my friend....
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Tomatoes8 said:
Asus tablets are honestly terrible. Every single display model I have ever used from the transformer, prime, infinity, tf300 etc has all had either a poor wifi connection or ran like crap. Coincidence? Slight possibilty, but considering I go to a lot electronic stores, that doesn't instill me with much confidence.
I am actually shocked that Asus managed to make the Nexus 7 run well, it is plagued with hardware issues but at least it runs well.
Maybe their next crack at the infinity will be good but for now it sucks and the Nexus 10 seems quite awesome.
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Except for the horrible battery, poor graphics performance and no microSD slot...ya.... awesome...
Also I'm playing on my sisters N10 right now. I honestly see no difference besides the obvious UI. What i have noticed though is the battery. There is no way I could deal with this.... 30 percent after a little over an hour of mkv movie playing? That my friend is the definition of an inefficient battery to usage ratio.
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Unless you have reset your infinity to factory and done a full clean update to the latest firmware, along with either keeping stock on both devices or having exactly the same apps installed, then making a point that one device is faster than the other is not accurate. I can show you a nexus 1 factory reset and that will "fly" faster than a galaxy nexus that hasn't been put through the same treatment, doesn't mean the nexus 1 is the better device.
Your right, it does come down to needs and personal opinions, just gotta make sure your making those decisions on accurate information my friend....
Sadly I did do that first thing. No change. As I said I have both sitting in front of me so I have all the information I could possibly have haha
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I'm seriously thinking in selling my prime to get a Nexus 7. So far I know that for 250 bucks you get:
No rear camera
No Hepatic feedback
No Micro SD Card Slot
A smaller device
Possibility of connect a Keyboard Dock.
I think I would be totally ok with that except maybe for the rear camera (I think that its more useful in a 7 inch device than in a 10')
So now my question for everyone who switched from the Prime to N7 is, are you missing something from the prime? something from the above list maybe?
Regards
I wouldn't ever trade my prime for a n7 I guess I prefer the larger screen. Just install jb and it run pretty damn nice. Of course it imho
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duckied said:
I wouldn't ever trade my prime for a n7 I guess I prefer the larger screen. Just install jb and it run pretty damn nice. Of course it imho
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Really? even the know I/O issues are fixed with the JB preview builds?
I have both. which both of them working great also. when I'm using the nexus 7 I don't miss those things you mentioned. but I would never ever ever sell my prime just to buy a nexus 7. mines perform too well for that. nexus 7 is a great experience out the box. but my nexus 7 doesn't have the power like my prime has with its custom rom & kernel. prime is too versatile with the keyboard dock and everything else.
they compliment each other very well. I plan on keeping both. prime stays indoors. nexus 7 used indoors or outdoors. I would recommend getting a Nexus 7 asap as its an amazing 7in. tablet. I'm sticking with both of them.
they really can't even be compared to each other. compare it to other 7in. or 7.7in. on the market. then you will see the nexus 7 is hands down the best out there. Quite a few major tech sites are toting the nexus 7 as the best Android tablet released so far, period.
I have both too, and they are different , with different use cases. The n7 is far more portable but way less versatile. I was planning on choosing between them, but will probably keep both.
Thanks for your answers guys, unfortunately I don´t have the possibilities of having both, at least not now, maybe I will have to wait a little bit more.
Anyway I'm happy with my prime but the Nexus experience that I have with my Gnex is what makes me want to test the N7.
Best Regards.
I have both and I haven't used my prime since Wednesday when I received my n7. Haptic feedback is pointless. Never took a picture with my prime. My prime is unlocked and rooted with every tweak and mod out there and it doesn't perform anywhere near ad well as the n7. The only thing better about the prime is the screen it only for the purpose of Netflix.
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I had both the prime and the n7 both are great devices but due to the size difference you can't really compare the two. I sold the nexus today as I prefer my galaxy tab 7.7 the Samsung has a better screen and even though they are close in size the 7.7 seems quite a but bigger and did I mention it has a much better screen !
I wouldn't be able to live with a N7. It's a cool piece of hardware, and a great deal, but it's basically a toy. The prime doesn't really compare to most tablets because it's still the only tablet on the market that can replace a laptop, so it appeals to a different group of people (me included) then other tablets do. It's got a big screen, expandable storage in both the tablet and the dock, best battery life for any tablet, and the keyboard is great for school work. So no, as cool as a nexus 7 is, I don't want to spend 250$ on something that is only good for watching 16GB worth of movies or casual gaming.
I had both. I just returned the nexus 7 as it was too small and too fat. I love how slim the prime is but jelly bean was awesome (although the phablet mode wasn't).
So the answer for me was the prime but I knew I wanted jb so I finally unlocked and installed team eos JB rom and I couldn't be happier. Lag is gone, and the device is just awesome again. Go prime.
I have both and they are different use cases. The Nexus 7 is pointing out how clunky some of the software issues I am having with the Prime are though. The Nexus works how I would like my Prime to (no crashes of Google apps like Gmail, no force closes, being able to charge it past 62% etc.). Because of the glitches with the Prime software implementation I am finding myself using the Nexus 7 a lot more but if they could be resolved the Prime would be my go to productivity tablet.
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I'm seriously thinking in selling my prime to get a Nexus 7. So far I know that for 250 bucks you get:
No rear camera
No Hepatic feedback
No Micro SD Card Slot
A smaller device
I think I would be totally ok with that except maybe for the rear camera (I think that its more useful in a 7 inch device than in a 10')
So now my question for everyone who switched from the Prime to N7 is, are you missing something from the prime? something from the above list maybe?
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I think you left out one thing you give up with the N7 - and it's a big one, at least for me. That is the keyboard dock. If you don't have and/or don't want the dock then it won't matter to you. But for me, the dock is one of the main reasons for selecting the Prime in the first place. I absolutely cannot do any decent typing on any on-screen keyboard no matter how good it is. They just don't work for me personally. Add to that the ability to connect USB devices; I use memory sticks, an external track ball and a usb wired ethernet adapter - sometimes all at the same time connected through a usb 2.0 hub. In addition to the 32 GB micro-sd card in the prime itself, I have an additional 64 GB SDXC card in the dock - so it has as much storage as my laptop's SSD (though in three different places and the 64 GB only when in the dock).
For remote administration tasks, I've got VPN and a remote desktop client. That allows me to remote into Windows servers and have the keyboard and mouse that make all the difference when using it that way.
As far as all the issues people are reporting - I just have not seen them. Perhaps it's because I have a later production unit (C3 serial number)? Or perhaps because I got mine just as the .28 update came out and did a complete wipe and clean install of .28 - without ever having used whatever version was already on there from the factory (I didn't even look). So mine has not been though the multiple update on top of update process like the older ones have. I have also never really used the built in browser - which seems to be the source of a lot of the complaints. I went directly to Chrome and keep Dolphin around for times when the need for Flash arises.
I also don't quite understand all the people who seem to be constantly switching devices. To paraphrase "..I had a prime, then an N7 and now I'm going with a Samsung...". Constantly buying and selling devices has got to be an incredibly expensive proposition with a significant loss of $$ ever time you sell.
Based on all of the above, here is my recommendation - given that the guts of the two are basically the same and the Prime will soon be updated to 4.1 - making the software much the same too: If you prefer a 7 " screen over 10.1 and don't need or want the dock, go with the N7. If you prefer the 10.1 inch screen and want the dock and already have a prime - then keep it. If you want a 10.1 inch screen and don't currently have anything, wait for the TF700.
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I had both. I just returned the nexus 7 as it was too small and too fat. I love how slim the prime is but jelly bean was awesome (although the phablet mode wasn't).
So the answer for me was the prime but I knew I wanted jb so I finally unlocked and installed team eos JB rom and I couldn't be happier. Lag is gone, and the device is just awesome again. Go prime.
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I am glad to hear that because I have both also and N7 make the prime feel like a laggy piece of crap.
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As far as all the issues people are reporting - I just have not seen them. Perhaps it's because I have a later production unit (C3 serial number)? Or perhaps because I got mine just as the .28 update came out and did a complete wipe and clean install of .28 - without ever having used whatever version was already on there from the factory (I didn't even look). So mine has not been though the multiple update on top of update process like the older ones have.
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That's my case, too - I got my C3-serial Prime shortly after .28 came out, so I upgraded first thing, before installing anything. I, too, have not had major systemic problems. I get some ANRs in the stock browser, but I generally know which websites cause that and avoid them. And like you, the dock is a major factor about the Prime; frankly, I cannot recall the last time I took it out of the dock, except to show people that it can be done.
So I guess I can afford to be patient and wait for Jellybean...
Thank you all for the answers, that really help.
I think I will keep the Prime for while, unless I can get a good deal selling it which I don't think will happen. I'm starting to see a subset of problems that have been reported for prime now in the N7 forum, Problems such as poor WiFi, ANR's, random reboots, etc, Except for some ANR's in the prime never had other issue and my unit is one of the first, so I think i was a lucky one without problems and take risk with an ASUS device again.. not sure I want to be there.
I don't have the dock, not really something that I think I need you, but is a good point, in fact I will edit the OP.
and for unlocking the Prime, the only reason why I have not do that yet is because is an irreversible process and I though that if for some reason I have to sell the prime that could be a decisions factor for a potential customer, but know I think will just do it and test the JB builds.
I use the rear camera way more than I expected to. And both the uSD and dock are must haves, so the N7 doesn't have much draw for me. My prime is unlocked and running a custom rom so it is fast and stable to boot. JB will just make it even better I'm sure but honestly I could wait quite a while for JB since I'm pretty satisfied.
I also got both, and there is no comparing them really. An analogous OP would be something like:
"For those that already switched to the Toyota Prius from the Toyota Sequoia, do you miss something?"
Since everyone has different use scenarios, I suppose this totally hinges on what you did with your prime. Personally, I have a hard time with the no hdmi/mhl thing. I really like to be able to hook up whatever tablet I have for some quick computing on a larger screen or just for a quick movie. A close second in features that I miss when I only have the nexus is the rear cam... never realized how nice the cam on the back of the prime was.
I have both, and I agree that the dock is a huge plus both in battery life and use. However the software is "snappy" on the N7 so I am looking forward to JB on the prime. I really do not think I could pick one, but if I had to for someone else I would say it depends on what you use it for.
Will also go for both. Hopefully my N7 will arrive this week. In my opinion 10inch are more for the table while 7 is more comfortable for relaxing, games and outside usage.
I own both the Nexus 7 and the TFP. To be honest, I use the Nexus 7 more; the 7" format does a better job of serving my particular use case -- reading long-form text, versus content generation or extensive multimedia (movies). From my thoughts on another thread:
So basically I think it comes down more to the form factor (7" device) than the device itself. I think a 7" device is best for reading books, saved websites (ReadItLater/Pocket, Instapaper), and content aggregators (Currents, Flipboard) -- basically text. It's small, super light, and convenient to throw in my bag, whereas I think twice before bringing my 10" Transformer Prime around. The 10" screen is best for actual website surfing, movies, photos, and content generation (drawing, word processing, etc.).
That said, the Nexus 7 is the best 7" device you can get today. It's very light and easy to hold one-handed, and though it's not razor thin, it's a competent thickness. The build quality is very good -- feels solid and the material on the back feels very high quality (fake leather ish). The screen is nice and sharp (especially from 2' feet away, normal reading distance) with good off-angle viewing, though I wish the maximum brightness was higher. Finally, the Jelly Bean version of Android OS is quite competent -- movement, swipes and touch responses are fast and responsive (though unoptimized apps may still stutter, but that's not Google's problem). In fact, the Nexus 7 is much faster and smoother (and less glitchy) than my ASUS Transformer Prime. It's a nice device.
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Just got mine, but initial impressions aren't all that positive. The N10 is my 6/7?th tablet, so I think I have some reasonable comparisons (original iPad, Xoom, Acer, Asus TF101,102, Prime, Infinity).
I really dislike the layout of the N10 Android home/back buttons. I use my tablets almost exclusively in landscape mode, so having to reach to to middle of the screen to find home or back buttons BLOWS. I have large hands but I hate having to move my hand rather than reaching with my thumbs - seems so unnecessary. I also dislike Chrome as the defacto browser because it doesn't have Flash and the usual Android stock browser (which is very good overall) isn't loaded - so forced to use other browsers (with their own quirks) that do support Flash. Frankly, until every site on the net is available in HTML5, every device needs Flash support.
While the screen is nice, it's not something I noticed was mind blowingingly better than than the Asus Infinity (nor the Prime for that matter). I use my tablet all day long for reading and I don't find the resolution improvement offers much improvement.
The really nice thing about the N10 is the speaker locations. Makes a meaningful improvement over rear facing speakers on the Prime/Infinity. That said, volume is still too low - have to get an aftermarket app (like SpeakerBoost) to get volume up to decent levels for noisy environments.
Battery life seems good - better than the Asus Infinity/Prime, but obviously no dock to goose battery life a lot more. USB charger is slow on the N10. Asus wins that contest hands down.
Build quality seems good, but Asus Infinity is so much nicer (and thinner and lighter).
N10 offers smooth scrolling so the processor works nicely. Chrome works buttery smooth, but alas, lack of Flash is ridiculous as so many sites I visit still use Flash.
I'll keep for a few more days to see if it grows on me, but I think it's going back for a refund...
That said, if the N10 is your first high end tablet, you'll like it...
Wait a second, so you prefer the build and materials over smoothness and performance? What kind of cracked out world are we living in?
The browser is replaceable and flash is easily implemented so the only thing that you mention is feel and build. Maybe flesh out a little better of why you prefer the infinity or you will end up looking like that pierrekid moron.
You can solve your 2 main issues pretty easily actually :
Buttons: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2010280
Browser: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2006215
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...What kind of cracked out world are we living in?
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The same world where somebody could mistake a Nexus 7 as an iPad Mini, before the iPad Mini was even released
The N10 is not using Tablet UI which explains why the navigation buttons are in the bottom-center. Tablet UI since 4.2 is deprecated in Google's eyes.
The N10 is also the "Google" experience, which is why Chrome is included by default. Flash player on Jellybean is not supported, and there's nothing you nor anyone else can do to warrant any kind of support from Google or Adobe regarding such matters. With this said though, there are various methods for getting Flash Player working on Jellybean. On devices that use an older OS (ICS for example), I guess Flash Player works just fine. Also... I run into very few sites that "require" flash player.
And... since this is a Nexus device, you can easily tailor the device to your needs. Your not forced with a lockdown bootloader, unlocking the bootloader doesn't void warranty, and the Nexus 10 is the best device supported on AOSP currently, which means customizing the Android experience should be... relatively easy for anyone (with experience). That button-location thing I mentioned, can be fixed with some modifications.
I haven't owned a Infinity, so I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure the Nexus 10 is more "open".
I would take chrome over transformers laggy browsers. They have terrible stock browsers. (Yes, download another one.) Tf201 was a TERRIBLE tablet! Battery was good but gps didnt work, bluetooth and wifi couldnt be used at the same time, wifi had terrible signal. Looked nice but that's about it. Nexus wins this.
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Nothing mentioned in the OP should be an issue for anyone who has owned a Nexus device or has minimal knowledge on how to root and use custom roms/kernels.
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Just got mine, but initial impressions aren't all that positive. The N10 is my 6/7?th tablet, so I think I have some reasonable comparisons (original iPad, Xoom, Acer, Asus TF101,102, Prime, Infinity).
I really dislike the layout of the N10 Android home/back buttons. I use my tablets almost exclusively in landscape mode, so having to reach to to middle of the screen to find home or back buttons BLOWS. I have large hands but I hate having to move my hand rather than reaching with my thumbs - seems so unnecessary. I also dislike Chrome as the defacto browser because it doesn't have Flash and the usual Android stock browser (which is very good overall) isn't loaded - so forced to use other browsers (with their own quirks) that do support Flash. Frankly, until every site on the net is available in HTML5, every device needs Flash support.
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bee answered your question. It's a very easy thing to accomplish. You can achieve your desired preference in future ROMs and in present ROMs available for the N10.
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While the screen is nice, it's not something I noticed was mind blowingingly better than than the Asus Infinity (nor the Prime for that matter). I use my tablet all day long for reading and I don't find the resolution improvement offers much improvement.
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Are you being serious? If there's anything to gripe about it's the apps that have not been updated to provide the optimal performance for the N10, you'll have to be patient for the community to catch up to the specifications of the N10. They're beyond amazing when they have proper support compared to older tablets. The image quality is definitely noticeable in this case.
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The really nice thing about the N10 is the speaker locations. Makes a meaningful improvement over rear facing speakers on the Prime/Infinity. That said, volume is still too low - have to get an aftermarket app (like SpeakerBoost) to get volume up to decent levels for noisy environments.
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Yes the speaker locations are paramount. They should have always been the standard - which they will be now.
When playing movies using MX Player or playing music through Google Music, I have to turn the volume down as it gets too loud so I disagree with the volume being too low.
You honestly have to have hard of hearing to believe that. Why would anyone in a noisy enviroment not use headphones? The device comes with a headphone jack which would make sense to utilize in such enviroments.
For example:
Listening to music on a portable device such as the N10 when you're in a room with other people playing games (causing lots of noise) and then complaining about the volume being too low is being ignorant. Use your headphones.
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Battery life seems good - better than the Asus Infinity/Prime, but obviously no dock to goose battery life a lot more. USB charger is slow on the N10. Asus wins that contest hands down.
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You're comparing something to nothing. The pogo charger/dock hasn't been released for the N10 yet so resorting to comparing it to the stock charger, which only takes 5½ hours for me to charge from 0% is excellent for a 9000mah battery, is moot and completely nullifies your comparison. You should wait until Samsung/Google releases the pogo charger and/or keyboard dock.
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Build quality seems good, but Asus Infinity is so much nicer (and thinner and lighter).
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Build quality is superb for the Nexus 10. It really doesn't matter as it's all subjective and differs from individual to individual.
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N10 offers smooth scrolling so the processor works nicely. Chrome works buttery smooth, but alas, lack of Flash is ridiculous as so many sites I visit still use Flash.
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There are alternatives to achieve the desired results.
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I'll keep for a few more days to see if it grows on me, but I think it's going back for a refund...
That said, if the N10 is your first high end tablet, you'll like it...
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The only thing that the Infinity would have over the N10 is the microSD expansion slot and maybe the camera, but who takes photos with tablets for art? Congrats.
Screen and screen resolution is inferior
Only has 1GB of ram
An abysmal 224ppi - tablets for that cost should have better ppi for a better picture quality.
Only supports MP3
so on so forth.
Someone who doesn't appreciate the price per power ratio of the N10 doesn't deserve to own one.
Return it and be gone.
Im sorry but you must be high or something. I came from the A500, GTab 10.1, Prime, Infinity then Note 10.1. The only tablet that I would consider going back to which I dont because the N10 is a beast, is the Note 10.1.
The Infinity has lots of problems and we all know what they are. I gladly sacrificed the keyboard dock for the N10 which wil be on craigslist shortly.
If you dont realize what you got there then its best that you do return your N10 and head back to the Infinity/Prime forum.
Oh and the screen... its definitely better then the Infinity in everyway.
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The Infinity is 0.5mm thinner and 5g lighter. I can't imagine how a human would actually notice that difference.
Folks,
give the OP some slack here. I can see how someone coming from TF700 would not see the N10 as a quantum leap.
Let me tell you a little secret ... I ordered the N10 about an hr after it went up for sale ... cancelled the order 20 mins later ... just could not think of why it would be so much better compared to the ... drum roll ... the TF101 I have ( I have 2 in the household ).
I am still hoping and praying that Sammy will release what was known as P10 , after the contractually obligated "do not compete" clause expires.
Dock, stylus, expansion slots ... CES may be ? Something that is free of Google's idiotic restrictions ...
Good luck waiting for dock and/or charger for N10
I just have one question:
You said USB charging on the Infinity was better. I had the Infinity for a while before I got my N10, and I could never actually get it to charge via USB. I'm still curious as how to actually get it to work.
I am wondering how you can even compare things that are clearly OS version and app dependent ??
Flash / Browser , yada yada yada ...
4.2 does not support flash end of story, you have to sideload or use something non-stock, it if you want flash to work.
So when you get 4.2.1 STOCK AOSP on the Infinity then you could actually make a fair comparison.
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Folks,
give the OP some slack here. I can see how someone coming from TF700 would not see the N10 as a quantum leap.
Let me tell you a little secret ... I ordered the N10 about an hr after it went up for sale ... cancelled the order 20 mins later ... just could not think of why it would be so much better compared to the ... drum roll ... the TF101 I have ( I have 2 in the household ).
I am still hoping and praying that Sammy will release what was known as P10 , after the contractually obligated "do not compete" clause expires.
Dock, stylus, expansion slots ... CES may be ? Something that is free of Google's idiotic restrictions ...
Good luck waiting for dock and/or charger for N10
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It makes sense to compare a tablet you own to the N10, but to go as far as saying there's another tablet that's factually better than the Nexus 10 with the points the OP claimed are anything but him having buyers remorse and trolling.
The reason I'm not going from the Galaxy Nexus to the Nexus 4 is because it's not a large enough gap in technology to warrant buying a new phone. The OP bought the N10 expecting it to project holograms and provide time travel and was disappointed it didn't so says that an inferior device is better than said device. It makes no sense. If it's not the upgrade you expected, don't blast the device. It's better than any of the tablets he mentioned albeit not a substantial upgrade.
I'm not going around the Nexus 4 forums saying the Galaxy Nexus is better because the upgrades are minimal compared to what I already own.
It's just irrelevant and ignorant to say such things with little to no context other than self-absorbed remorse.
This thread should be closed. It's pointless and disappointing.
I still can't figure it out. Unless build materials and weight is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than performance and battery life, which he admitted was superior on the Nexus 10, it doesn't make any sense.
His other issues are easily fixed through the play store or side load.
I wish the OP and and pierrekid would just cut out the BS politics and just come out and say I love Asus or I hate Google/Samsung build materials. Honesty is something that is sorely missing in today's society. Can't say I blame them though, sometimes you have to flat out lie to get ahead.
I myself have owned both a prime and an infinity, and back when I owned them, prayed daily that Google would release a 10inch tablet to the market. When they announced it, I knew I would give away my ASUS counterparts in a heartbeat no matter what. The prime/infinity had such lagginess, even with custom roms, you could tell the I/O suffered immensely
I couldn't be happier with my N10. It's a f*ck*in monster, and the screen res blows away the infinity. Put em up side by side...you can tell a difference.
I would never go back to ASUS again. I can't even believe this is a discussion. There were so many unhappy asus owners, and hell...there still are this very day!
God bless Google and doing the Nexus 4, 7 and 10. They are an ARMY!
Buttons that are centered, can easily be solved in the near future with a custom rom. Not to mention anything else you have as a pet peeve
How would anyone prefer the Asus tablet when it is confirmed it has a poor hardware memory which causes slowdowns and freezes?
Maybe you haven't heard about the I/O problems with Asus tablets...
No way a tablet with memory hardware problems is better than the nexus 10.
Agreed
Had 2 Asus Tf700 and I return both them back..
Too much problem
1-Bluetooth lag
2-It couldn't handle a lot media files
3-Dead trigger was crashing on my device all the time,called Madfinger and they know what to the me.
4-Stupid Asus want to follow Apple footsteps, only one speaker....
Etc.....
The only good thing about the TF700 is the aluminum body.
Glad Google come out with this device..
PS:And don't have to wait for an update when it is released...
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I agree with the OP, the nexus 10 is my 3rd tablet(the other 2 are the trasformer tf300 and the Infinity). Both tf300 and the Infinity play somewhat fine with Blu ray movies in MKV format. Hoping for better smoothness and performance in videos with the Nexus 10, i was disappointing to find out the Infinity did better than the Nexus 10 in video playback(using mxplayer pro)
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I agree with the OP, the nexus 10 is my 3rd tablet(the other 2 are the trasformer tf300 and the Infinity). Both tf300 and the Infinity play somewhat fine with Blu ray movies in MKV format. Hoping for better smoothness and performance in videos with the Nexus 10, i was disappointing to find out the Infinity did better than the Nexus 10 in video playback(using mxplayer pro)
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Media playback will improve once media players are updated to support the N10's GPU. I've had to use software rending 5 out of 10 times with the videos I've watched.
The idea of this thread is ridiculous to me. This tablet has been exactly what I hoped it to be. I can actually still use my tablet while updating apps. I can open more than one webpage without immense stuttering (even complex ones), and I can switch between them without waiting an unbearably long time (thank you, 2GB of ram). I can switch between apps with very minimal delay (that is nicely covered up by a system animation). In short - I can use my tablet without it getting in the way.
I guess I can add to that the fact that the build quality on mine seems stellar, and light bleed is virtually non-existent. I love the material on the back. And I haven't had any issues with resets.
This is the tablet that I can just use without getting frustrated. I may eventually want to install a custom rom and theme it (something I have done to every device I have owned in the last 6 years). Heck, this seems like a perfect candidate for one of the "prettier" themes. But right now, I'm just enjoying using it.
Most things you mentioned can be fixed. Use boat browser and install flash on it manually, its really fast and flash works with no problems.
I don't like the stock Nav bar too and use Lmt instead, gives me the full 10 inch real estate and is convenient to use.
This tablet is awesome and I have used tons of tablet in the past, Plus its a nexus device and there is already tons of development in the forums in addition to the up to date android os
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I'm getting my first tablet but am at a loss how to decide? On the one hand, all critics (Cnet, PcMag, Wired, Engadget, Laptop magazine, ect...) seem to universally agree the Ipad-4 is best hands-down, no question in terms of overall quality as a tablet. Then I compared the Asus with the other 2, and was almost certain I preferred the Asus- some critics even preferred it over the Nexus 10 and expandable memory is HUGE (HD movies on 16 or even 32gb non-memory expandable device is unacceptable in this day and age). Or so it seemed. Though critics like the Asus I've read so many user-reviews about screen-bleeding and a sluggish OS, in spite of its quad-core processor Asus almost seems scary in light of the endless complaints. Now it's back down to Nexus10 vs Ipad and Ipad still seems to be better for gaming with its GPU, its app marketplace is also phenomenal.Thoughts?
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I'm getting my first tablet but am at a loss how to decide? On the one hand, all critics (Cnet, PcMag, Wired, Engadget, Laptop magazine, ect...) seem to universally agree the Ipad-4 is best hands-down, no question in terms of overall quality as a tablet. Then I compared the Asus with the other 2, and was almost certain I preferred the Asus- some critics even preferred it over the Nexus 10 and expandable memory is HUGE (HD movies on 16 or even 32gb non-memory expandable device is unacceptable in this day and age). Or so it seemed. Though critics like the Asus I've read so many user-reviews about screen-bleeding and a sluggish OS, in spite of its quad-core processor Asus almost seems scary in light of the endless complaints. Now it's back down to Nexus10 vs Ipad and Ipad still seems to be better for gaming with its GPU, its app marketplace is also phenomenal.Thoughts?
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You can't go wrong with the nexus 10. It has by far the fastest cpu of the bunch and its storage is lightning fast. More than 5 times faster than the asus. Over 100MB/s read speed. Not to mention its a nexus device and will be updated for years to come.
I think it comes down to your preference. Do you want to be tied to Apple's ecosystem? Are you okay with waiting on jailbreaks to iOS to get root?
I have the nexus 10 and love it. I used to have an iPhone and hated I could not customize it. My cousin had an ipad3 but I prefer the nexus 10.
I bought my mom a tf300 and it is a good tablet if you install the custom checkrom ROM.
In the future I plan to get an otg cable for external SD card option. I have a 16gb nexus 10 and it suits me well.
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I was in the same situation as you about one week ago. I sold my Asus Transformer Prime (TF201) a few days before XMas anticipating purchasing the Infinity.
I ended up with a Nexus 10 and couldn't be happier.
For me it came down to having to unlock the bootloader in order to ROM/Kernal the tablet; without having a way to relock it back. The expandable storage was the biggest plus for me, along with the keyboard dock I would have bought to go along with it. But having to void my warranty just to get a somewhat smooth $500 tablet didn't make me too happy. Now, once unlocked and running Paranoidandroid/CM10 on probably KTs kernal it's a whole new beast.
The Nexus 10 was smooth right of the box, and even better once unlocked and running PA2.99/KTManta kernal. It absolutely flies. It looks better than expected, has better sound than expected, and hasn't had a hiccup yet. Now, no expandable memory just means I'm going to be using my OTG cable + external 2tb hd's a lot more, but not a big deal to me. I also got my Nexus from Walmart, the postercompany of being able to return/exchange anything, so that made my decision quite a bit easier as well.
The Infinity is plagued with I/O problems along with a whole slew of other hiccups that leave a bad taste in your mouth. As much I had anticipated gett the Infinity for the last couple of months, I haven't had a second thought about it since I've had the N10 in my hand.
Depends on what you are looking to do with it. If you are a student/ business oriented and need media consumption as well, the infinity if by far the best. Great form factor, keyboard with battery, really fast since the updates and overall great support from asus. Just take a look around these boards and you will see the N10 also has its problem. Poor battery, no external storage, sluggishness during browsing, lag during gaming and media playback, very poor support from samsung and google in terms of warranty support (look at all the articles popping up about Samsung basically ignoring the N10). If you look at the comparison sites most of them that ACTUALLY compare the two say that the infinity is much better. Good luck to ya man!
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If you play HD games, get the iPad 4, you cant go wrong with that
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Depends on what you are looking to do with it. If you are a student/ business oriented and need media consumption as well, the infinity if by far the best. Great form factor, keyboard with battery, really fast since the updates and overall great support from asus. Just take a look around these boards and you will see the N10 also has its problem. Poor battery, no external storage, sluggishness during browsing, lag during gaming and media playback, very poor support from samsung and google in terms of warranty support (look at all the articles popping up about Samsung basically ignoring the N10). If you look at the comparison sites most of them that ACTUALLY compare the two say that the infinity is much better. Good luck to ya man!
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Keep kidding yourself! Funny how you are in our forums trying to reassure your purchase. The Keyboard attachment accessory is the only thing going for the Transformer series, too bad most of us would just rather use swype or Android 4.2's default keyboard. Infinity will never get updates faster than the Nexus line (did you even get 4.2 officially yet?), thats just fact, "Poor Battery" and sluggishness/lag is more often than not- User error. None of those issues here with mine. Same issues could be said for the 700 and as a previous owner of both the 201 and the 700 there is no way I could EVER recommend either of those tablets over the N10. It's funny the same complaints you make about our tablet just looking over on your boards -- same things
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Keep kidding yourself! Funny how you are in our forums trying to reassure your purchase. The Keyboard attachment accessory is the only thing going for the Transformer series, too bad most of us would just rather use swype or Android 4.2's default keyboard. Infinity will never get updates faster than the Nexus line (did you even get 4.2 officially yet?), thats just fact, "Poor Battery" and sluggishness/lag is more often than not- User error. None of those issues here with mine. Same issues could be said for the 700 and as a previous owner of both the 201 and the 700 there is no way I could EVER recommend either of those tablets over the N10. It's funny the same complaints you make about our tablet just looking over on your boards -- same things
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Lol all your doing is confirming my point that both tablets have their problemsand not even the N10 as you so eloquently put it, is without its own problems. Like i asked the op it depends on what he is doing. I could never recommend the N10 for a school or as a business device. The battery life would be horrible and i would not have the external storage to quickly save documents and transfer between devices.Not to mention the lack of the dedicated keyboard. To each their own my friend. Happy your happy with the N10, but i could never go back to it ( mentioned in previous threads that i was one of the first to get an N10 and gave it away to my sister ...) I love my infinity. Its super fast, looks amazing and overall performs its tasks above and beyond what i expect.
Oh and by the way to your point on asus not getting updates as fast as the nexus line....take a look at the galaxy nexus. If experiencing the update a whole 3 weeks before me makes you happy and puts you to sleep at night, by all mean enjoy that. I will take my 3 weeks release plus hardware asus support over getting the updates and having to deal with samsung hardware support any day. Go ahead and try to get the N10 repaired and see what kind of loop holes you have to jump through lol.
Nexus 10 if u want a great stock experience and did not want to void your warrenty. Samsung provides a good hardware support and in case things go wrong the warrenty claims are much easier than in case of other companies. Samsung also has one type of hardware faults which haunts their devices and comes to nitice easily. Third samsung devices are with simple plain designs. Performance wise N10 sits at the top of all android devices.
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Lol all your doing is confirming my point that both tablets have their problemsand not even the N10 as you so eloquently put it, is without its own problems. Like i asked the op it depends on what he is doing. I could never recommend the N10 for a school or as a business device. The battery life would be horrible and i would not have the external storage to quickly save documents and transfer between devices.Not to mention the lack of the dedicated keyboard. To each their own my friend. Happy your happy with the N10, but i could never go back to it ( mentioned in previous threads that i was one of the first to get an N10 and gave it away to my sister ...) I love my infinity. Its super fast, looks amazing and overall performs its tasks above and beyond what i expect.
Oh and by the way to your point on asus not getting updates as fast as the nexus line....take a look at the galaxy nexus. If experiencing the update a whole 3 weeks before me makes you happy and puts you to sleep at night, by all mean enjoy that. I will take my 3 weeks release plus hardware asus support over getting the updates and having to deal with samsung hardware support any day. Go ahead and try to get the N10 repaired and see what kind of loop holes you have to jump through lol.
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Again "Poor Battery Life" seems to be unique point for users, not an issue here because I keep track of what apps I have running. I have no problem going for days without charging on normal operation. Then again, I do not sit for hours at a time in front of my tablet. There is nothing wrong with this device as a school device, business I could even say the same 201/700 is even worse performance wise. Just because you have a detachable keyboard accessory doesn't outweigh all the other problems with the Asus, it sure wasn't enough to keep me from taking the device back. Asus support as well- hope you never need it. It took having weeks of having to constantly get a hold of Gary Key and Hai Trat (do you even know who they are? Have a look) on here to have an issue resolved since there policy on the phone is take your information and never call you back- Like you said tho to each his own.. if you enjoy owning an underperforming tablet, in the same price range- that's all you :highfive:
IMO, BT Keyboard also works with N10. BT keyboard sounds a lot better because it is probably cheaper and can be used on other devices too not like the ASUS dock (if you buy a new tablet then you are screwed).
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Again "Poor Battery Life" seems to be unique point for users, not an issue here because I keep track of what apps I have running. I have no problem going for days without charging on normal operation. Then again, I do not sit for hours at a time in front of my tablet. There is nothing wrong with this device as a school device, business I could even say the same 201/700 is even worse performance wise. Just because you have a detachable keyboard accessory doesn't outweigh all the other problems with the Asus, it sure wasn't enough to keep me from taking the device back. Asus support as well- hope you never need it. It took having weeks of having to constantly get a hold of Gary Key and Hai Trat (do you even know who they are? Have a look) on here to have an issue resolved since there policy on the phone is take your information and never call you back- Like you said tho to each his own.. if you enjoy owning an underperforming tablet, in the same price range- that's all you :highfive:
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If you say you dont sit in front of your tablet for hours on end....then why would you recommend it as a school or business device...which requires to sit in front of it for hours? Im confused on your logic there....And gary key is the forum head for asus who keeps up to date on updates and any issues we might have. Why is that relevant? Are you trying to insult my intelligence? Im simply stating my opinion to the OP. Whats wrong with man? You do know its ok for someone to disagree with you right? lol calm down... If you like your N10 then thats great for you. I personally dont like it as a student speaking and would not recommend it...so again...calm down lol its ok...
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If you say you dont sit in front of your tablet for hours on end....then why would you recommend it as a school or business device...which requires to sit in front of it for hours? Im confused on your logic there....And gary key is the forum head for asus who keeps up to date on updates and any issues we might have. Why is that relevant? Are you trying to insult my intelligence? Im simply stating my opinion to the OP. Whats wrong with man? You do know its ok for someone to disagree with you right? lol
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You insulted your own intelligence when you suggested that Asus' support is any better than Samsung's. The link is there for you to read thru plenty of disappointed people and if you'd like I could probably link at least 5 others complaining of nightmares with the RMA system. Of course it's ok to disagree, why do you think I replied to your post in the first place? Nothing to calm down about, sorry if you can't take valid counterpoints to your argument.
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IMO, BT Keyboard also works with N10. BT keyboard sounds a lot better because it is probably cheaper and can be used on other devices too not like the ASUS dock (if you buy a new tablet then you are screwed).
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Very true, but the kicker is that the asus keyboard has an extra battery, usb out and a full SD card slot. So it does offer alot more than a simple BT keyboard.
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You insulted your own intelligence when you suggested that Asus' support is any better than Samsung's. The link is there for you to read thru plenty of disappointed people and if you'd like I could probably link at least 5 others complaining of nightmares with the RMA system. Of course it's ok to disagree, why do you think I replied to your post in the first place?
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http://phandroid.com/2012/12/27/samsung-nexus-10-repair/
Check the link and the comments. Enough said. Next topic cause im done talking to you. And for reference, why don't you read the whole article and the comments from N10 owners before you respond stupidly.
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http://phandroid.com/2012/12/27/samsung-nexus-10-repair/
Check the link and the comment. Enough said. Next topic cause im done talking to you.
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And? Congrats, we've both posted links to articles with people complaining about support. Want a cookie?
***I can edit posts too to call names. How old are you, 12? Again theres more than enough on both sides to even claim one is better than the other theres no point
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And? Congrats, we've both posted links to articles with people complaining about support. Want a cookie?
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Lmao no use arguing with you , clearly your on here to flame and im not gonna turn the OP's thread into a flame war. You win lmao take your prize...absolutely nothing
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I'm getting my first tablet but am at a loss how to decide? On the one hand, all critics (Cnet, PcMag, Wired, Engadget, Laptop magazine, ect...) seem to universally agree the Ipad-4 is best hands-down, no question in terms of overall quality as a tablet. Then I compared the Asus with the other 2, and was almost certain I preferred the Asus- some critics even preferred it over the Nexus 10 and expandable memory is HUGE (HD movies on 16 or even 32gb non-memory expandable device is unacceptable in this day and age). Or so it seemed. Though critics like the Asus I've read so many user-reviews about screen-bleeding and a sluggish OS, in spite of its quad-core processor Asus almost seems scary in light of the endless complaints. Now it's back down to Nexus10 vs Ipad and Ipad still seems to be better for gaming with its GPU, its app marketplace is also phenomenal.Thoughts?
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Also im not a huge Apple fan, nor are most people on here, but if your just looking for the simplest functioning device out there, the ipad might be your best bet. However you will be paying a premium for their hardware.
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Lmao no use arguing with you , clearly your on here to flame and im not gonna turn the OP's thread into a flame war. You win lmao take your prize...absolutely nothing
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Also im not a huge Apple fan, nor are most people on here, but if your just looking for the simplest functioning device out there, the ipad might be your best bet. However you will be paying a premium for their hardware.
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Not flaming you at all. Sorry you are taking it to heart all of your tablets negatives. It's a good thing I didn't hurt your feelings in the other infinity thread the other night jeez
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Not flaming you at all. Sorry you are taking it to heart all of your tablets negatives. It's a good thing I didn't hurt your feelings in the other infinity thread the other night jeez
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Lol again...enjoy your prize
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Depends on what you are looking to do with it. If you are a student/ business oriented and need media consumption as well, the infinity if by far the best. Great form factor, keyboard with battery, really fast since the updates and overall great support from asus. Just take a look around these boards and you will see the N10 also has its problem. Poor battery, no external storage, sluggishness during browsing, lag during gaming and media playback, very poor support from samsung and google in terms of warranty support (look at all the articles popping up about Samsung basically ignoring the N10). If you look at the comparison sites most of them that ACTUALLY compare the two say that the infinity is much better. Good luck to ya man!
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Not to jump on the bandwagon, but only part of that I can agree with is the lack of external store.
Especially when comparing to Asus; the company that released the Infinity mere months after the slew of issues that plagued their newly released Transformer Prime TF201. Of anyone, Best Buy did the best to their customers by offering to exchange their <2mo old top of the line table with terrible wifi performance, little to no GPS functionality whatsoever (until the later released GPS Extension Kit), complete bluetooth dropout when streaming, an factory unlock program that doesn't unlock about half the Primes it's tried on for some reason, a one-two month wait time on sending it back to Asus for a RMA on the above issues. No, I didn't go through any of that whatsoever when I had my Prime over the course of 3 months.
In response to Gary; he, along with Tien, were brought on to handle the bad press arising from their tablet issues. I dealt with Tien in order to get my Prime RMA'd. For some reason his email wouldn't accept or send anything to my g-mail account, so we used the PM on xda to communicate. At best I would get responses in a few days, other times couple of weeks.
After all that, I was still super stoked to get my Asus Infinity after my Prime sold. Then I realized that in order to get a tablet that isn't laggy, relentlessly stuttering and constantly having hangups, I would have to void my warranty whatsoever, with no way back. And in the off chance the (Asus supplied) unlock tool didn't work, I would have to deal with un-bricking it to try again. Go try to play with one in Best Buy and LMK how long it takes for you to hate it. You can't type "amazon.com" in the browser open page without it lagging.
Don't get me wrong, the Transformer is super nice; it's just riddled with a ****ton of crappy I/O performance issues and lack of warranty from day one. The N10 works with SD cards mounted via OTG cable, so you can use whatever external storage you want (SD Cards, USB HD's, etc); and if anything goes wrong you can relock/unroot and return it for repairs. I'm running ParanoidAndroid+KTManta kernal, but even on the stock AOSP setup everything just works.
Also, most if not all reviews of two point toward the Nexus.
http://www.android.gs/google-nexus-...ote-10-1-vs-asus-transformer-infinity-tf700t/
http://sortable.com/tablets/Google-Nexus-10-vs-Asus-Transformer-Infinity
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Of anyone, Best Buy did the best to their customers by offering to exchange their <2mo old top of the line table with terrible wifi performance
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The exchanges they were doing was all under the table according to their return policy, it was not something Best Buy officially endorsed. That was how I got my 700, I exchanged the 201 for it there.
I was ready to pull the trigger on the N10, but I've been reading some horrible reviews about battery life and charging and random reboots. I'm now reconsidering the TF700.
My thought is that the reboots I've read about can be fixed by just getting on a custom ROM, which I'm sure the review writers were not on. But the seemingly low quality of the build makes me nervous.
So I guess the question now is: N10 or TF700? Or maybe something else?
I had a tf700 and I put it up for sale two seconds after I turned on the Nexus 10. the Nexus 10 is hands down the best 10in android tablet!
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I was ready to pull the trigger on the N10, but I've been reading some horrible reviews about battery life and charging and random reboots. I'm now reconsidering the TF700.
My thought is that the reboots I've read about can be fixed by just getting on a custom ROM, which I'm sure the review writers were not on. But the seemingly low quality of the build makes me nervous.
So I guess the question now is: N10 or TF700? Or maybe something else?
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Need more information. What are you primarily using it for? Both can do everything, but each does a few things slightly better/different.
Here's an older thread full of ex-TF700 owners sharing their experiences compared to the N10. Rather than repeat, I'll just drop a link...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2066330
Since my post in that thread was made before I owned my Nexus 10, I'll add that the N10 feels much more solid compared to the Transformer in spite of the flex, the rubber just feels like it could handle whatever life throws at it better than the metal of the transformer. CM10.1 does indeed fix the reboots. The battery life seems slightly better to me than the Infinity without the dock.
IMO the only plus the TF700 has are its SD card slot and dock.
Sold my TF300T the moment the nexus 10 was released and haven't regretted it for a second.
Find the nexus 10 community (growing by the day thanks to Google getting better with stock), the look and feel a lot better. Add AOSP and it wins hands down.
Was a little concerned about not having micro sd support but after having the device for a couple months don't even notice.
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I was ready to pull the trigger on the N10, but I've been reading some horrible reviews about battery life and charging and random reboots. I'm now reconsidering the TF700.
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The N10 is still very new and some of the non-h/w related issues should be resolved over time. As for the TF700 you'd be trading one set of issues for another. There are ample threads here, on the Note 10.1, and TF700 forums talking about the TF700 in comparison. You owe it to yourself to read them before making a decision. Since neither device is "perfect" the choice comes down to one using the latest tech at the beginning of its life or year-old tech at the end of its life. The former is much more likely to get ongoing support; especially since it's a Nexus device.
I have a TF300t running clean Rom inheritance and it runs great. Even the stock Rom with the newest update runs great. Plus you can get a 32gb unit for $330 no shipping, no tax and save some coin. Add a 64gb micro sd and have 96gb storage for under $400. Very easy to root or unlock too!
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I have a TF300t running clean Rom inheritance and it runs great. Even the stock Rom with the newest update runs great. Plus you can get a 32gb unit for $330 no shipping, no tax and save some coin. Add a 64gb micro sd and have 96gb storage for under $400. Very easy to root or unlock too!
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And you voided your warranty, are using what little RAM of the 1GB available is left to cache your browser data, and still don't have 5GHz Wi-Fi support, channel bonding, Glonass for location services, or a FHD display. And by the time you add the cost of SquareTrade to replace the voided warranty and the cost of the SD card to bypass Asus' crappy NAND it cost the same or more as a N10. To each their own.
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I have a TF300t running clean Rom inheritance and it runs great. Even the stock Rom with the newest update runs great. Plus you can get a 32gb unit for $330 no shipping, no tax and save some coin. Add a 64gb micro sd and have 96gb storage for under $400. Very easy to root or unlock too!
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I had a TF300T for a while and I liked it but I would pay the additional money and get the N10, best tablet I have ever used. We use tablets at work so I have used an iPad 2, iPad 3, Galaxy Tab 10.1, Asus TF300T, Nexus 7 at work and the Nexus 10 I bought personally.
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I was ready to pull the trigger on the N10, but I've been reading some horrible reviews about battery life and charging and random reboots. I'm now reconsidering the TF700.
My thought is that the reboots I've read about can be fixed by just getting on a custom ROM, which I'm sure the review writers were not on. But the seemingly low quality of the build makes me nervous.
So I guess the question now is: N10 or TF700? Or maybe something else?
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The TF700 may have the advantage of having less issues, since it's an older platform which has had the benefit of time to iron out the wrinkles. However, it has inferior hardware and won't be supported as well or as long as the N10. There's nothing low quality about the N10 build.
I currently have a lot of issues with my N10, but man is it beautiful. Everything from the hardware to the software. Yes, there are lots of annoying little bugs, but as a whole only a few show-stoppers and will hopefully get them fixed. Certainly if you have no problems with installing ROMs, you won't have to wait as long. Also, many of the real show-stopper issues have to do with having multiple accounts - a new feature in 4.2. So if you're the only user (which will be true in the TF700) then you won't have many of the issues.
Having said all of this, there are definitely a few really nice benefits of going with the TF700. It's older/slower hardware, but again, if you don't mind ROMs then you don't care about updates and you get a beautiful dock design with a physical keyboard and a much better battery life. Having a physical keyboard also has a benefit of not wasting real-estate when a keyboard is required. Using a software keyboard sucks for lots of typing: long-winded emails, posts and documents .
By the way, what do you mainly want to do with the tablet? That may push you into a certain direction. If the TF700 came with the N10 specs and N10 software/support (or lack there of, right now )... I'd be all over the TF700.
Not sure if this helps
Having owned two tf201's, and two tf700's I can tell you performance wise, and just about every other way, the nexus 10 is far superior.
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I've had a tf201 and now a tf700. I also had the n10 for 2 weeks. The only reason I kept the Tf700 is I got the dock + tablet for about $500 and love the keyboard on it. Performance wise, even with cleanrom and clemsey kernel it doesnt beat the performance and smoothness of the n10. If you dont need a keyboard go for the n10. I'm reconsidering buy it again and just getting a separate bluetooth keyboard. I'm just waiting for CES to be over just in case a better tablet comes out thats better than the n10 with keyboard.
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i bought both the tf700 and the N10 to compare. all i can say is that tegra 3 is a couple of generations behind the nexus's a15 processor. i saw lots of lag, sluggish behavior and lots of FC even on stock on the tf700. the N10 is very smooth and if you turn down the animations in dev mode, you dont see the studders people talk about. the only reason one would pick the tf700 would be due to the screen and optional keyboard. The screen is just farrrr superior than the N10. even though the N10 has a higher PPI and Res, asus's ips screen is just super vivid and lifelike. N10 is number 1 android tablet and will be for a while, until they release some tegra 4/ snapdragon 800 devices
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i bought both the tf700 and the N10 to compare. all i can say is that tegra 3 is a couple of generations behind the nexus's a15 processor. i saw lots of lag, sluggish behavior and lots of FC even on stock on the tf700. the N10 is very smooth and if you turn down the animations in dev mode, you dont see the studders people talk about. the only reason one would pick the tf700 would be due to the screen and optional keyboard. The screen is just farrrr superior than the N10. even though the N10 has a higher PPI and Res, asus's ips screen is just super vivid and lifelike. N10 is number 1 android tablet and will be for a while, until they release some tegra 4/ snapdragon 800 devices
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It could have lagged due to bad I/O.
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Having owned two tf201's, and two tf700's I can tell you performance wise, and just about every other way, the nexus 10 is far superior.
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Which is why ive got a tf700 for sale if anyone wants it!!
I had a TF201. It was NOTHING but problems. Stay away from everything Asus. They're terrible. I sold mine for an N10 and am very happy.
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I had a TF201. It was NOTHING but problems. Stay away from everything Asus. They're terrible. I sold mine for an N10 and am very happy.
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Actually their nexus 7 has lots of good views
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The N10 is in another league than the TF700. I've had both.
Sold the tf700 after a few months of usage. The N10 has been pretty much awesome, and its way smoother.
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For playing games with more enjoyment, I would like to suggest the TF 700, for experiencing the latest Android version, then get the Nexus 10.
As a user of TF700 and struggling a lot with it I have been keeping my close eye on the Nexus 10. If I didn't unlock my TF700 about 3months ago and this way voiding the warranty and at the same time making it harder to sell I would have probably done it already.
But then something magical happened with the new CM10.1 kernel and now this tablet really is super smooth. I still do think that Tegra 3 is no match for A15 by any means but this is still very snappy now.
Also I am a bit worried about some people complaining about the battery life of the Nexus 10. With TF700 it is so great to basically have 2 batteries with the dock. Also because I am using the tablet a lot at work I actually do need the dock to write reports.
Yet I do like the idea of having a pure Nexus device.
I am just wondering that because we are here at Nexus 10 site does people here always praise their current device even if there are a lot of problems. I am tempted to try but I am worried that it will end up in a similar disastrous start which I had with TF700.
Oh and the reason why I am still reading here is that I have these 2 white dots on my screen of TF700 and because unlocking can't return it anymore..and they are driving me crazy..
Budget is around 400EUR.
- I like the Nexus 10 but it has this ridiclous high res screen which the processors struggles to power. 720p is fine for me!
- There's the TF300 and TF700, the wifi is probably better but the big question: does the tf300/700 have faster memory? If yes those are excellent!
- There's the samsung galaxy tab 2 10.1 but it doesnt have Tegra! I really like my Tegra games ... will it run them?
- There's the Nexus 7 which seems perfect except that it's just 7 inch. I like the idea of clean google os and updates though.
What would you do? I prefer 10inch but I guess I something a little smaller is ok. I like my Tegra games. I prefer a decent screen (IPS) but resolution doesn't matter.
It all comes down to this: I want a TF201 with better wifi and especially better memory.
I just want to be able to download torrents or doing a file transfer without the tablet becoming unusable for a few minutes.
I still really like my TF201, my dad wants a tablet so I tought I'd give him the TF201 and get me another one.
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Budget is around 400EUR.
- I like the Nexus 10 but it has this ridiclous high res screen which the processors struggles to power. 720p is fine for me!
- There's the TF300 and TF700, the wifi is probably better but the big question: does the tf300/700 have faster memory? If yes those are excellent!
- There's the samsung galaxy tab 2 10.1 but it doesnt have Tegra! I really like my Tegra games ... will it run them?
- There's the Nexus 7 which seems perfect except that it's just 7 inch. I like the idea of clean google os and updates though.
What would you do? I prefer 10inch but I guess I something a little smaller is ok. I like my Tegra games. I prefer a decent screen (IPS) but resolution doesn't matter.
It all comes down to this: I want a TF201 with better wifi and especially better memory.
I just want to be able to download torrents or doing a file transfer without the tablet becoming unusable for a few minutes.
I still really like my TF201, my dad wants a tablet so I tought I'd give him the TF201 and get me another one.
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While the wifi is a larger issue, i think you could easily resolve your memory concerns by just using link2SD on another prime
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While the wifi is a larger issue, i think you could easily resolve your memory concerns by just using link2SD on another prime
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They stick out too much and can accidently be pressed in and then i lose the sd. I have lost 2 already. I just notice: oops my sd is gone! I think just from carrying around, lying between other stuff etc... It's running androwook now with clemsys 1.6 kernel so as far as software goes I've already done the most important.
I'm leaning towards the nexus 10 because of the google support and lack of people complaining about sluggish performance. I'll lose tegra games but surely games must still look good on it i guess ... I really like my prime's build quality and feel. It's just great (as a tablet alone, with the dock it became kinda wobbly). Also dock connectors are bent. But just as a tablet it feels great. No scratches, great glass! It's just great, if just it would have better wifi and better i/o.
I can always swap my Nexus 10 (or whatever i choose) to my dad and take back my prime
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I can always swap my Nexus 10 (or whatever i choose) to my dad and take back my prime
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Ain't dads great .
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They stick out too much and can accidently be pressed in and then i lose the sd. I have lost 2 already. I just notice: oops my sd is gone! I think just from carrying around, lying between other stuff etc... It's running androwook now with clemsys 1.6 kernel so as far as software goes I've already done the most important.
I'm leaning towards the nexus 10 because of the google support and lack of people complaining about sluggish performance. I'll lose tegra games but surely games must still look good on it i guess ... I really like my prime's build quality and feel. It's just great (as a tablet alone, with the dock it became kinda wobbly). Also dock connectors are bent. But just as a tablet it feels great. No scratches, great glass! It's just great, if just it would have better wifi and better i/o.
I can always swap my Nexus 10 (or whatever i choose) to my dad and take back my prime
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There is an app called Chainfire3D it was working well on my SGS2 running tegra games Im not sure if it would work on the Nexus 10 ...
I like nexus 10 but I would go for the TF700. Wide range of usage better battery life and you could expand the memoy, and you have a phisical keyborad. You would not have any of these on Nexus 10 but it is much cheaper..
I have just got my TF700 to replace my TF201 which was running on AndroWook.
I can say I am impressed so far with the TF700, no light bleed, the docking clamp feels sturdier and not as loose, the screen is much nicer and the colours seem a lot more vivid. The whole system seems to also run smoother, I have just downloaded loads of apps from google play and it didnt lock up at all when selecting the next app and clicking download & Install where as the TF201 would even on AndroWook. GPS works indoors to a certain extend and wireless has a much better range.
Overall I feel stock TF700 is much better than my rooted & ROM's TF201. IThe only hard decisiion I have at the moment is should I unlock, root and ROM or leave as is for time being
Going for the TF700 (tablet alone) might be a solution ... I keep the dock of my TF201 (afaik they are interchangable).
The nexus 10 is unavailable in belgium, only way to get it is to use a vpn and some cheating on credit card details AND a middle person shipping company to order it in another country. This is too crazy just for a tablet. It is not physically available in stores, only through google device store in select european country's :/
And apparantly a lot of stores discontinued the TF700 too :/ But i'm sure i'll find one somewhere.
Galaxy note 10.1
I like my tf201.
But at the time I take a look at my friend's new galaxy note 10.1, My eyes has caught by the great performance.
It provides a great overall performance such as an iDevice.
Since My tf201 need to be modified alot to get those flurent experience, galaxy note 10.1 is much way better
I've got a tf201 and a Galaxy SIII (same processor as Note 10.1), the SIII is really than the tf201 in all (maybe a 40% or more), internet browsing, playing games, etc. So the performance in the Note 10.1 will be also better.
Note 10.1 has opened bootloader, so you can install or modify whatever you want with depending if ASUS Tool wants to unlock your tablet.
Personally I am avoiding Tegra based tablets given the poor showing from the TF201. Granted it is better than it was but it's still far from perfect.
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For me i dont think there is anything worth upgrading to atm. All the other tablets are basically same generation as the Prime.
My next tablet should have:
-better or at least equal battery life as prime.
-full pen support which converts writing to printed text (like samsung note 10.1), in my current situation i prefer that over the keyboard addon.
-next gen cpu/gpu like tegra4 or equal and i guess 2gb ram.
-higher resolution (something like 1080p, nexus 10 is overkill imho)
-Frontfacing speakers
-as usual: fully rootable. Using a tablet without gesture control? Not going to happen.
- And of course: Better wifi/memory speeds, but i think thats a given no matter what you buy
-[e] oh and Micro USB charging! **** YOU proprietary charging bull****.
It looks only samsung is providing these things in a package atm I would rather buy something else to be honest, but i dont care about brands that much as long as they deliver.
I think if samsung ever brings another tab like the note 10.1 thats gonna be it. Although i'm still hoping ASUS, Sony or even Google does something comparable.
If you're on a budget, according to reviews, the latest effort from Asus is a sort of budget version of a fix of all the mistakes they've made with the transformer series. According to reviews they've fixed I/O speeds, GPS is apparently spot on, and Wifi is reportedly excellent. And in performance, the reviews all seem to show fast, fluid JB performance. I seriously sat there dumbfounded at how a device half the cost of the useless TF201 could perform that well.
Something to look at if - like you said - you're on a budget, and don't NEED super high pixel density, oh plus it has nice stereo speakers AND *drumroll please* micro-usb! Good bye ****ty bound-to-be-broken proprietary Asus charger!
http://www.gadgetgestures.com/asus-...ll-be-available-for-249-and-129-in-uk/8343392
If - to this day - the TF201 didn't sour my tablet experience and subsequently make me realize how little use I actually have for a tablet, I would've probably jumped at this as a replacement.
Used a Nexus 10 today and it was beautiful. I'd get that in a second if I was okay with ditching the keyboard dock with extra battery.
I'm not sour on Asus at this point, so I'd probably end up with a 700.
I'll pass on the Infinity since it still has the same bad i/o flaw.
turns out the tf201 and tf700 are still hugely expensive here in belgium. the tf201 still goes voor 599EUR (thats about $750), so i just kept it and my dad got a tf300 which is a much more reasonable 299EUR.
im sitting here with my laptop browsing on my neighbours public hotspot, works great, the tf201 cant even 'see' the network :/ wanted to use gps this week because my in car gps broke, even with the antenna addon it didnt get a fix after 5 minutes. i ended up using google maps on the laptop
so many flaws but it feels so great it looks awesome and gaming is perfect