I have a two year old son that loves to play eith my S2 and S3's phones.Im looking to get a tab and its ether gonna be Nexus or Ipad 4.If it was for me alone it would be a Nexus without a question.But i want my son to use it and as everyone knows that android really lacks good apps for children(i have tryed almost all of them),and ipad has way better apps for children.
But im going to be using it too to play emulators and movies.My question is how much worse is ipad compared to Nexus?I dont want to dish out $500 for a piece of crap that is only good for children's apps.I know there is no roms for ipad but is there any custimization like themes and deleting system apk's?
Ok to make it short,anyone here that owned both and can tell me is ipad actually that much worse the Nexus or other android tabs?
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I have a two year old son that loves to play eith my S2 and S3's phones.Im looking to get a tab and its ether gonna be Nexus or Ipad 4.If it was for me alone it would be a Nexus without a question.But i want my son to use it and as everyone knows that android really lacks good apps for children(i have tryed almost all of them),and ipad has way better apps for children.
But im going to be using it too to play emulators and movies.My question is how much worse is ipad compared to Nexus?I dont want to dish out $500 for a piece of crap that is only good for children's apps.I know there is no roms for ipad but is there any custimization like themes and deleting system apk's?
Ok to make it short,anyone here that owned both and can tell me is ipad actually that much worse the Nexus or other android tabs?
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We are an Android (me) and Apple (husband) household. We have a 4 year old gadget lover. As much as it pains me to say it, there are WAY more children's apps in the Apple world Some really very nice ones. So he uses my husband's old Ipad 1 and an iPod Touch. Having said that, there is one cool thing about Android and kids. You can get some nice apps that create a sandbox on your device that keeps them in a very kidsafe environment with access to only the apps you want them to play with. No access to system settings, etc. Famigo, Kid Mode by Zoodles. iPad doesn't let you use apps like that. And with the new multi-user logins with 4.2 it makes it even easier to keep your stuff separate from kid's stuff.
I have no experience with the emulators, can't help you there. Playing movies should be fine on either device. iPad is a good piece of hardware. Very stable. If you jailbreak them you can do more customization with them, but I think there is still no jailbreak for the latest version of ios on the new iPads? I might be a touch out of date on that.
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We are an Android (me) and Apple (husband) household. We have a 4 year old gadget lover. As much as it pains me to say it, there are WAY more children's apps in the Apple world Some really very nice ones. So he uses my husband's old Ipad 1 and an iPod Touch. Having said that, there is one cool thing about Android and kids. You can get some nice apps that create a sandbox on your device that keeps them in a very kidsafe environment with access to only the apps you want them to play with. No access to system settings, etc. Famigo, Kid Mode by Zoodles. iPad doesn't let you use apps like that. And with the new multi-user logins with 4.2 it makes it even easier to keep your stuff separate from kid's stuff.
I have no experience with the emulators, can't help you there. Playing movies should be fine on either device. iPad is a good piece of hardware. Very stable. If you jailbreak them you can do more customization with them, but I think there is still no jailbreak for the latest version of ios on the new iPads? I might be a touch out of date on that. My husband is the Apple fan in this household.
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Thanx,i think im gonna sacrifice and get Ipad for my son,who knows maybe i end up liking it.Im a android fan and owned iphone 3g and 3gs it seems like they did not ipmrove much on the software side only the hardware.
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Thanx,i think im gonna sacrifice and get Ipad for my son,who knows maybe i end up liking it.Im a android fan and owned iphone 3g and 3gs it seems like they did not ipmrove much on the software side only the hardware.
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That is my impression of ios. It feels old, outdated. Even my husband is starting to make "Android is looking good" noises and has been using my old Nexus 7 more and more it seems. But, it works. It's stable.
to be honest, once the ipad is jailbroken, it's a real beast with lots of awesome tweaks, and ROm does not exist in the iOS world. also way more cool apps on the ipad. if you're new to the ipad, you will love it. But to me, the UI is extremely boring since it doesn't change at all. I favor the nexus 10.
have you considered picking up an older ipad for your son? Like an ipad2? I'm not sure how much they are going for right now, so no idea if that's reasonable. But then you could still get your Nexus Or just get him an iPod Touch for now? Those aren't that expensive.
>That is my impression of ios. It feels old, outdated.
That's the main beef against iOS, being stale. Now that Forstall (iOS ex-chief dude) got the axe and Ive bud taking over, things should get lively again. With Android's market-share munching this was inevitable anyway, with or without regime change.
@OP, why not the Mini for kiddie tyke? Cheaper, and much easier for toddler types to handle. Or Nexus 7. Frankly, for 2-yr munchkin I'd go for a cheapie like a Nook Color, slap CM on it and find some freeware doo-dads for babysit function. Handing a $500 device to somebody not even potty-trained doesn't strike me as good sense. Then again, my opinion of 2-yr bio-bombs is probably not as high as the respective parents'. Must...give...him...best...means...to...unleash...his...creative...genius. Yeah, OK.
>Or just get him an iPod Touch for now? Those aren't that expensive.
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Oh yeah! I spaced on the Mini. That would be perfect. Kinda want to get one of those for my son for Christmas... but since hubby will want an iPad 4 sometime soon... I guess he'll just get the iPad 3 hand me down eventually.
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@OP, why not the Mini for kiddie tyke? Cheaper, and much easier for toddler types to handle.
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I think it depeds on the type of kid...
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>That is my impression of ios. It feels old, outdated.
That's the main beef against iOS, being stale. Now that Forstall (iOS ex-chief dude) got the axe and Ive bud taking over, things should get lively again. With Android's market-share munching this was inevitable anyway, with or without regime change.
@OP, why not the Mini for kiddie tyke? Cheaper, and much easier for toddler types to handle. Or Nexus 7. Frankly, for 2-yr munchkin I'd go for a cheapie like a Nook Color, slap CM on it and find some freeware doo-dads for babysit function. Handing a $500 device to somebody not even potty-trained doesn't strike me as good sense. Then again, my opinion of 2-yr bio-bombs is probably not as high as the respective parents'. Must...give...him...best...means...to...unleash...his...creative...genius. Yeah, OK.
>Or just get him an iPod Touch for now? Those aren't that expensive.
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and age really. I agree about the 2 year old... but if u have an older creative, science loving kid I can see android being the only way to go. Oh and ur avatar is pretty cool :^}
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have you considered picking up an older ipad for your son? Like an ipad2? I'm not sure how much they are going for right now, so no idea if that's reasonable. But then you could still get your Nexus Or just get him an iPod Touch for now? Those aren't that expensive.
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Yes i did considered ipad2 and ipad3 but they are so expansive that i might as well add $150-200 dollars and get a new one.Apple crap stays expansive eve after 2-3 years,lol.
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>That is my impression of ios. It feels old, outdated.
That's the main beef against iOS, being stale. Now that Forstall (iOS ex-chief dude) got the axe and Ive bud taking over, things should get lively again. With Android's market-share munching this was inevitable anyway, with or without regime change.
@OP, why not the Mini for kiddie tyke? Cheaper, and much easier for toddler types to handle. Or Nexus 7. Frankly, for 2-yr munchkin I'd go for a cheapie like a Nook Color, slap CM on it and find some freeware doo-dads for babysit function. Handing a $500 device to somebody not even potty-trained doesn't strike me as good sense. Then again, my opinion of 2-yr bio-bombs is probably not as high as the respective parents'. Must...give...him...best...means...to...unleash...his...creative...genius. Yeah, OK.
>Or just get him an iPod Touch for now? Those aren't that expensive.
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He currently has Epic Touch 4g that i gave him after he threw it in a toilet about 6 moths ago(he past that stage now),i took it apart,dryed it out,cleaned it with alcohol and it still worked!!It worked except one minor thing,the power button does not work.I can use the power button only to turn on the phone but after that it does not work,only way to unlock the screen is to plug it in,receive a call or battery pull and restart.All this made it useless as a phone but its still good as a toy because it just stays on all the time.
He just got borred with all these childrens apps on android because they are not that good.
And im not spending $500 on a tab just for him,you better believe that im gonna be using it more then him,lol.I just call it asacrifice because if it was justbfor me then i would get an android tab.Ipad has VLC and that all that matters,i just wish it had 16:9 ratio,why apple got 4.3 ratio?idk.
I guess i will get the ipad for now and wait to get an android tab until Amoled tabs become cheaper.Im a huge fan of Amoled and own Epic,Epic Touch and two GS3's-i refuse to buy a phone without amoled screen.I thought about Toshiba Excite 7.7 but the devolopment for it on xda is nonexistent.
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to be honest, once the ipad is jailbroken, it's a real beast with lots of awesome tweaks, and ROm does not exist in the iOS world. also way more cool apps on the ipad. if you're new to the ipad, you will love it. But to me, the UI is extremely boring since it doesn't change at all. I favor the nexus 10.
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Agreed back in my days of ingnorance when i owned iphone 3gs,there are some things you can do to speed up ios and improve the battery life like removing about 1GB of unused languges,some libraries and more.
Now that i got some theeming expirience im gonna try to theme ios.There is proboly alot of things you can do with ios like theeming but the iphone crowd probably is not tech knowledgeble enough or just dont care about things like that.
>And im not spending $500 on a tab just for him,you better believe that im gonna be using it more then him,lol.
No I get ya. It's a bonding thing, doing some common activities with kiddie tyke. Familial stuff. Back in the day, we'd get one of these and be happy with it. But times have changed I guess.
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Call me counter-culture, but I would not give a tablet to a kid in the formative stage. People care so much about getting their kids' attention that they inadvertently help to make it worse, by exposing the kid to more and more distractive things. Before we have the boob tube. Now it's a portable (and interactive) boob tube, aka tablet. The Internet is a great learning tool, but it's also the worst in destroying people's ability to maintain focus. For toddlers, it's akin to handing them an MP3 player with the volume on full blast. You're helping your kid to get ADD.
OK, just one person's opinion. Why worry about some crank on the net, when we can rely on conventional wisdom, eh? I'm sure an iPad (or some tablet) is a fine learning tool. Lots of people are giving kids tablets nowaday as Xmas presents. Hey, if everybody is doing it, it must be OK, right?
But you must realize what his first online achievement will be, right? Sure, give him a couple more years, but dollars to donuts that the first thing kiddie learns will be to find a pron site. Yep, nekkid wymun is the Holy Grail. That hasn't changed, I don't think?
Yes, this crank would probably get kiddo a tablet, an Etch a Sketch. It'll teach him patience along with hand-eye coordination. And if he turns out to be the next artist extraordinaire, then he can give an indication with something like the below.
get an ipad mini for your son and a nexus 10 for you
I have the Nexus 10. You'll be bored of it, even with custom ROMs. I'm giving it to my brother and getting the iPad 4. Nexus 10 is nice and all, but just isn't there for me as a tablet.
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I had an iPad 3 and loved it, but I just can't support them really. $499 tablet and 100 billion in the bank and still suing people. They could do a lot more for customers like giving us better prices but they don't and price the outdated iPad mini at 329.
No comparison. Even the thew iPad4 with iOS 6.0.1 is a dumbpad. Tried using it but it's limited and restrictive like trying to draw with an etch a sketch. Wanted to throw it against the wall.
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I had an iPad 3 and loved it, but I just can't support them really. $499 tablet and 100 billion in the bank and still suing people. They could do a lot more for customers like giving us better prices but they don't and price the outdated iPad mini at 329.
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Im with you on this.Im a fan of OSX(probably only good thing they have) and wanted Mac Mini for my htpc but all this suing and the fact that i waited for them to beef up GPU to at least 512mb so i could play Civilization 4,what did they do instead?Gave us a new mac mini without a dedicated gpu option at all.
Even the osx is not that great anymore sinse Lion,SN Leopard was solid and other osx's was good.But Lion ui looks bland and grey and they are making it more like ios.Im gonna go with windows 8,because i dont want to support them and they lack good products.
I will still get the ipad though because educational apps for my son outweigh my person needs,im sure i will have some fun with it too and see if i can at least theme ios or change ui colors.
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No comparison. Even the thew iPad4 with iOS 6.0.1 is a dumbpad. Tried using it but it's limited and restrictive like trying to draw with an etch a sketch. Wanted to throw it against the wall.
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Thats why its good for two year olds,lol.
What is even better for two year olds is not buying them apple junk. At best they will think you are financially irresponsible and not to be trusted with money matters. At worst you are giving them a giant head start into hipsterville. Apple products for children should be classified as a form of child abuse
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I know this is a sensitive subject, but....
I lost my iPhone 4 a couple months ago and picked up a Galaxy S2 last week. I have a few concerns that are making me want to go back and get a new 4S... was wondering if anyone had any comments or maybe this little list might be helpful to someone else deciding between the GS2 and an iOS phone. This isn't meant to start some war over iOS vs Android, but I think these are some fairly objective points about why one would possibly bail from the GS2 before their 30 days are up....
GS2 CONS
No silence switch- miss this a lot. Such a great feature of the iPhone.
No front/center physical/mechanical button- I cannot believe they took this away from the original (international GS2)!! Waking the phone up from sleep using the power button just feels so awkward to me! I am I the only one here that gets annoyed by this?? Maybe its because I'm left handed and have small hands... but I don't like this.
Battery life- I think this is probably my fault and needs some optimizing on my part, but I only got about 6 hours of web browsing on it the other day and am having to charge this phone more than I would like... Whatever I was doing with my ip4 was more efficient for some reason. Again, I may just be doing a crappy job here- but I'm not willing to root my phone yet which (from what I understand) opens the door to significant battery optimization.
Worse benchmarks compared to the ip4s- but I'm assuming in the real world the difference is negligible though except in the GPU department where the difference seems pretty huge. I also have read from a lot of people arguing that IF apps were "optimized" for the GS2's hardware they would run better. Can a developer reasonably justify doing this for this device even considering how popular it is? My guess is "no" seeing as the phone has been available for half a year yet I don't really see anything specifically optimized for it.
Lack of good games- I know someone in their mid-20s in med school really shouldn't be too concerned about this.... but I just wish they were there and I think this point is a little more deep than just games. I saw that by rooting I can use the Tegra games, but I'm not really interested in voiding my warranty quite yet. To further drive this point, what annoys me to no end is how a single android app/game apk is not always truly compatible across all devices. Not sure why, but I get pretty pissed when I see some app is "xperia optimized" etc. It sucks to have to worry about- I really loved the uniformity in the experience that iOS offers.
Worse screen resolution- I have a difficult time convincing myself that the bigger screen is actually better when I know that simply holding the ip4 closer to my face should achieve a better experience
Worse camera than the ip4s.
Feels cheaper than the all-glass and aluminum ip4- but I know I will probably be glad about this the first time I drop it.
Minimal 3rd party accessory support. And to add insult in injury, I really cannot fathom why Samsung would now have 4(!!!!) separate devices all called "Galaxy S2" that are being sold. This is going to be a mess.
Long-term value- maybe this is arguable, but I suspect the ip4s will hold its value much better than this phone will. After a year, odds are the ip4s will still be selling for retail while who knows where this relatively unique branch off of the GS2 will be by then if I want to upgrade to something else.
Siri- I don't actually care about this but am putting it here because I know someone probably will.
GS2 PROs
Bigger screen- perhaps the best pro in my opinion. Browsing web pages has been easier on the eyes (I think?). Again, see my comment under the resolution in the previous section.
All of the potential customization that goes along with android- I realize that this is a HUGE point for most people here, but I'm struggling to decided if this along with future prospect of ICS is enough to outweigh the Cons. I guess I will have a better idea on the 18th...
More RAM- 1gb vs 512mb in the 4S.
Was $50 less than the 4S when purchased from AmazonWireless
Please tell me what (if anything) I'm missing here. Does it really boil down to whether or not I have the desire/time to tinker with this device to make it a better experience than the iPhone 4S???
Look forward to hearing other people's comments....
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This is gonna be good...
All I will say is that you sound like you want an iPhone. This is a great phone, but its not an iPhone, that was the single biggest selling point for Android for me. If you want an iPhone get an iPhone. Anyone that really want something else spends a whole lot of time complaining until they get what they want. That goes both ways, people that want an android phone and have an iPhone and vice versa.
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Your question in this forum is like walking into a crack house and asking the junkies what would they prefer...crack or buttermilk cookies.
The reason behind the missing physical button is most likely because the legal issues between Apple and samsung.
I love this phone. I too was an iphone user but ever since the atrix and the infuse came out, i jumped ship and went to android. I love the fact that I can do pretty much what ever I want to my phone. Hell, I'm even trying to learn how to code.
I hope this helps.
I understand your pros and cons. I've used an iPhone 3gs for over 2 years. The only thing I miss about the apple experience is iTunes.
The screen on the galaxy rocks. The iPhones screen is too small. I've rooted my phone and am getting over 24 hours of normal use per charge. Juice Defender has helped alot.
If you hold the power button down you'll get an option to silence the phone.
Good luck with your decision.
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I am left handed and the power button does not concern me at all. I was bb user up until the Captivate was released July 18, 2010 and when I look at other non samsung android phone I constantly look for the power button on the right hand side of the screen. As for battery life here are a couple of screenshots from being at my house most of the day yesterday and charging this past friday until 5:30 pm.
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And no I am not using Juice defender at all. This is in a low signal, wifi on, bluetooth on, gps on and medium use to get emails, and take some pictures. Sounds like you prefer the iPhone, my sister has an iphone 4s, not a bad phone but in my opinion not for me at all. I like the openness of Android for custom roms. My phone is still the original rom, with it being rooted, sim unlocked and still has the bloatware and pulling 18 - 20+ hours between charges. Yes I can kill the battery fast but with heavy usage but for my normal usage, the phone keeps getting better battery life. Currently with 18.5 hours, I have 60% battery life. This phone in my opinion is the best device currently. My Captivate was getting similar battery life with 150 mah less battery, a single core cpu at 200 mhz slower, and .3 inch less screen size.. All in All not bad at all, considering my sgs2 is just a lot more powerful phone.
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OP, I know where you're coming from. I've been a pretty avid iOS user off and on over the past few years. My first Android device was the Captivate and then the Infuse and now the GS2. I love this phone. But I won't lie and say that I don't miss my iPhone 4 from time to time. I also compiled a list just for myself which I'll post below. I weighted it (which I won't include) and still found the GS2 to still be the much better purchase over all.
Just giving ya some additional things to maybe think about and again, this is just from my point of view.
GS2
Pros -
.77" bigger screen
SD Card expandable
Open environment for modding w/ very active community
$50 cheaper
2MP FF camera
HDMI output via adapter
Photos/Videos can be manually set for low or high resolution. iPhone 4S is stuck at highest as of now.
Cons -
Battery life is pretty poor
Keyboard input can be a pain
OS can be sluggish and unresponsive sometimes (home and back keys, etc)
Very slippery - dropped several times already
Syncing isn't as simplistic as I'd like with PC/Mac
iPhone 4S
Pros -
Mac compatible out of the box
iTunes and store sync with zero problems
Phone is more solid feeling - better grip
Siri
Video Stabilization
Cons -
VGA FF camera
Closed system
Battery not replaceable
No mem expansion
$50 more expensive
I'll give you games, camera, accessories and resale value.
Everything else in the cons is ridiculous.
All I can say is for me,
Android > IOS
With that said, the SG II runs Android exceptionally well. Android in the hands of the tech-savy with custom roms, themes, and kernels far outweigh the stock options of IOS and iPhone.
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The camera is nearly as good as the iPhone 4
Benchmarks are not fully accurate, ICS will unlock dual-core
My GF has an iPhone 4 and she thinks the screen is tiny compared to my SG II, she wants a SG II or a Nexus Prime (with ATT)
Call quality SG II is far better than my GF's iPhone 4.
Call drops a lot less often with SG II compared to GF's iPhone 4
External SD is huge for me as well
Also we go on a lot of mountain hikes and semi-dangerous trails. I bought a 2 pack of batteries for 18 bucks on Amazon. It's very nice never having to charge your phone, when it's dead just swap the battery for a fresh one.
Fanboy quote I know, but the last iOS device I purchased was the 3GS- good phone, had some fun with it, but I will never go back. Android has my <3.
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Fanboy quote I know, but the last iOS device I purchased was the 3GS- good phone, had some fun with it, but I will never go back. Android has my <3.
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+1 Gsii rock
Yea i was with ios since days 1 of the first 2g n upgraded all the way to the 4g. Just few months ago i jumped on the atrix n never looked back. Its my phone n i can customize it the way i want. I can unlock it n sell it. I don't have to wry about useless updates n lose my jailbreak everytime. I now have the gs2 n as a techy guy i would never touch an iphone again. Android really is freedom. I use to mock it but it lets me do anything i need. Just try it for a bit ull get hooked.
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Hi OP, I just bought the GS2 as well and have been tinkering with it over the past few days. I am replacing an iPhone 3Gs. I switched because I've been curious to try an open source alternative to Apple and the iPhone 4s just want enough to convince me that I should buy it. Maybe in another couple of years when the iPhone 5 comes out I'll consider switching back. I really like the larger screen so far. However, if you're not careful you can totally mug your battery in a matter of a few hours. For example yesterday I used the phone to take about 65 photos and upload them all (twice) to Picasa Web. Also did some (15 minutes) navigation while in the car (plugged in) and light browsing and emailing. My battery was dead by about 3:30pm.
Today I checked my applications and sync settings and found that email, Facebook, twitter and latitude were all set to sync every 15 minutes. I killed all of that and have 60% after about an hour of Pandora usage a well as light email and browsing (take the comparison for what it's worth).
The main pluses for me are no iTunes and the larger screen. I'm currently in the process of rounding up all of the music files that iTunes took upon itself to disseminate across hundreds of folders on my hard drive (had lots of wma files that iTunes initially converted). Talk about an American horror story!
Enjoying all of the flack I'm taking from the Apple users in my life and then providing their iPads with a wifi tether .
I'm committed to the change and an willing to give it a couple of years to really hook me. So far, leery good.... (damn auto-correct is gonna take a bit of getting used to!)
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When will we ever see the end to this crap. Mod please close this thread.
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I don't think this is a pointless thread.
Compare the iphone 4s to most other phones and the iphone wins. I personally feel the Atrix and SII are the first phones able to compete.
Before these phones the main competing point was openess. The option to do what I want. But now the hardware is there to back it up.
I predict 2012 will be the first real year of android. That currently, the "out of the box" experience is near par with the iphone. Imagine what 2.4 and eventually 2.5 will bring.
Now add onto that the openess and customizing that can be done without root. Being able to choose launchers ALONE is huge! Apple will likely never have that.
In picking a phone to take me into the next two years, android is my choice.
For someone looking for personal viewpoints on the SII, this is the best place to ask.
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When we will ever see the end to this crap. Mod please close this thread.
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Unlike you, most people have taken the time to give constructive responses which I really appreciate. I'm not sure why you are so offended by this thread. This wasn't a simple "which is better" thread inviting fan-boys to spout off meaningless opinions.
From most people's responses it seems pretty clear that the GS2 wins in most people's minds here not because of the hardware anymore, but more because of the flexibility of Android. I think that is an important point to consider when deciding which to get.
Thanks for all of your responses. I guess I'm mostly going to see if Android grows on me over the next month to make a decision.
For what it's worth, the day the Nexus 1 was announced for AT&T I bought one at full price and never looked back at iOS. I really enjoy the AOSP roms, and I would HIGHLY recommend flashing your SGSII to one. I've got Cyanogenmod 7 running on mine and I absolutely love it. I simply don't like the customizations that manufacturers like Samsung and Motorola apply to their devices. I want to experience Android as it was intended to be experienced.
My N1 had a trackball, which I missed for about the first day when I switced to the SGSII. I've gotten used to having no physical buttons other than vol/power within the first week EASILY.
That said... Like another person commented. If you know that you want an iPhone, just get the iPhone.
Just get an iPhone. I gave up on trying to convince people to switch.
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Oh, come on!!!!!!!!!
How many threads about the same BS!!
Just bolloks!!!
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They are both fantastic phones.
When Apple lets me open up the back and replace the battery when I WANT TO!... I may consider one of their phones.
Have seen too many iPhone users be tormented by battery running low, worrying when will they find a wall outlet, then babysitting the phone next to the outlet until they have enough juice to continue or worst of all - hearing them say - I have to charge my iPhone so I don't want to - "insert any smartphone activity here" until I get home/office/starbucks and charge it.
That lack of freedom makes me shudder...
I hate typing from my phone but I had to get into this conversation....
I have both phones and I personally think they are both great and each has its pros and cons, but it really all comes down to personal preference.
For me the silent switch isn't a big deal. I mainly leave my phone.on vibrate to begin with so I don't really care.
The physical home bbutton is also unimportant to me. On the iPhone I tend to use the power button to wake the screen up because its more convinient/comfortable for mu large hands and also because all my iPhone home butttons wore out over time becoming less responsive.
For day to day use you will see very little difference. The only thing that runs faster on the 4s is the camera is quicker, but really not by much. Unless you are taking a bunch of upskirts at the bus stop, this isn't a big deal. I guess maybe if you have small kids it could be a game changer.
Benchmark tests aren't the best way to judge a phone. I have bee. Able tto tweak my phone to score 10k higher on quadrant with some minor changes.
The biggest factor I think is what do you want out of your phone?
For me I want to be able to do anything I want on my phone. What good is all this processing power if you are limited in its use?
For ios the answer to this is a series.of tweaks and mods that apple is constantly combatting. What works on one firmware version is likely to be fully squashed or broken on the next release. So you can opt to have the things you want and be left out of the new apple updates until the jb community catches up or be stock and limited to what apple says is ok. That's fine but after years of compromise I'm just worn out. Because when it comes down to it, a jailbroken iPhone does not perform as well as a stock firmware phone.
All the cool tweaks and stuff you put on the phone take away the overall feel of the phone... put barrel and a live background on your jailbroken iPhone and see how it handles it. Android does a lot of this stuff out of the box and runs well. So its hard for me to.say.ios is better or runs better.
Then there are tethered jailbreaks..
And wow if you have ever used one of these you know how useless they are.
The battery life of the 4s kills the s2 tho
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I thought the question would've been posed already. To be honest i'm thinking the GS2 will be faster than the Galaxy Nexus with ICS. What do you owners of the GS2 think? Anyone jumping ship?
Doesn't the galaxy nexus have hardware acceleration built into the UI?
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I weighed this decision heavily for a few days before getting my SGS2.
The Nexus has a weaker GPU, no MicroSD slot, and a 720p screen, but it's a pentile screen. More info on that that means: http://www.tested.com/news/pentile-vs-real-stripe-amoled-displays-whats-different/1868/
It will also likely cost more, even on contract, but that's my speculation.
Ultimately, I wasn't willing to lose storage expansion and GPU power to gain higher resolution. The usable area of the screen isn't bigger because of the onscreen home keys.
Plus, we have MikeyMike01's ROM here.
SGS2, like the Captivate before it, just seems like the sweet spot.
Robstunner the galaxy nexus has hardware acceleration with ics. As much as the gn will be awesome besides the larger qhd screen I am probably going to stuck with the sgs2 as the specs compared to the gn is not that much different to warrant the change over. Just my opinion.
Hth,
Charlie
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/5000/galaxy-nexus-pentile-discussion-confirmed
Read that about the pixel per inch controversy.
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Yea I'm sticking with my sgs2...
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I'm glad to see everyone is excited about their GS2. You guys are making my decision easy. I have a Sensation and i'm on tmobile but I'm going to terminate early. Thank God for the prorating of the early termination
GN is kinda meh... This nexus is blah this time around. 720p screen is nice but me personally, if i need a screen to watch something, I'll watch it on my 52" 1080p lcd, thank you.
I'll stay with my "superphone" the sgs2.
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Not for Galaxy nexus. IPHONE 5/6 maybe but have to be at least 4.3" screen.
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I'm sorry but someone would honestly have to pay me to get an iPhone and to keep it. I just can't follow the sheep in front of me. CUSTOMIZE CUSTOMIZE CUSTOMIZE....
"Dare to be different"
The GS2 has sold 10 million units. Guess who will have the most ROMs....
Ill get it if its made of metal and has a nicely contoured back. As much as I like this phone I hate Samsung plastic and flat backs. Imo my inspire was perfect ergonomically
Bxsteez said:
I'm sorry but someone would honestly have to pay me to get an iPhone and to keep it. I just can't follow the sheep in front of me. CUSTOMIZE CUSTOMIZE CUSTOMIZE....
"Dare to be different"
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*Takes in a long breath*
You can customize the look and feel of an iPhone heavily and IMO it is hands down the best mobile device ever invented, in fact it was so successful that it spawned the iPod touch and the iPad. all 3 are essentially the same device and apple knows this and has forced/convinced consumers the world over that they need these products in their lives, some people own all 3 in fact, as well as other apple products. *I myself am one of them.*
For me I see android as a great mobile platform with a ton of tweaking and customizing fun to be had and enjoyed. The iPhone excels at music/media playback and has an amazing battery. The device is dependable and refined and will never let you down. Android phones however. *Doesn't matter which....* are usually faster over all performers and have more settings and tweaks than iPhone's do natively.
I had a G1, then went to an iPhone 3GS, then the iPhone 4. I was all ready to get an iphone 5 as I had gotten an iPad2 and was bored with having the same device twice and wanted something different/better.
Then I saw the 4s and was severely disappointed. I got a Galaxy S II because it had a better camera than my iPhone 4. A larger Screen, upgradeable/removable storage, a removable battery, and a faster cpu/gpu with more ram.
I love apple products. They just work, and work well. They're very reliable, and they do have a high buy-in price. However I personally, as do many other users feel its worth it.
I love everything about my G S II, and I think android is a solid and ever evolving mobile platform/OS. I want to see it succeed as I envision it doing so. Although I hate the music app on this phone and it has me missing my iPod, its not enough to take away from how amazing the S II is.
dont forget the 5mp cam too
Alucardis666 said:
*Takes in a long breath*
You can customize the look and feel of an iPhone heavily and IMO it is hands down the best mobile device ever invented, in fact it was so successful that it spawned the iPod touch and the iPad. all 3 are essentially the same device and apple knows this and has forced/convinced consumers the world over that they need these products in their lives, some people own all 3 in fact, as well as other apple products. *I myself am one of them.*
For me I see android as a great mobile platform with a ton of tweaking and customizing fun to be had and enjoyed. The iPhone excels at music/media playback and has an amazing battery. The device is dependable and refined and will never let you down. Android phones however. *Doesn't matter which....* are usually faster over all performers and have more settings and tweaks than iPhone's do natively.
I had a G1, then went to an iPhone 3GS, then the iPhone 4. I was all ready to get an iphone 5 as I had gotten an iPad2 and was bored with having the same device twice and wanted something different/better.
Then I saw the 4s and was severely disappointed. I got a Galaxy S II because it had a better camera than my iPhone 4. A larger Screen, upgradeable/removable storage, a removable battery, and a faster cpu/gpu with more ram.
I love apple products. They just work, and work well. They're very reliable, and they do have a high buy-in price. However I personally, as do many other users feel its worth it.
I love everything about my G S II, and I think android is a solid and ever evolving mobile platform/OS. I want to see it succeed as I envision it doing so. Although I hate the music app on this phone and it has me missing my iPod, its not enough to take away from how amazing the S II is.
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I'm going to have to disagree on all accounts. iOS is NOT heavily customizable and it is far from the best device created. I will agree that it is the easiest phone to use but that is about it.
Changing wallpaper is not my idea of customization. I know you can hack the crap out of the iphone and do a bunch of stuff after a jailbreak but its no android phone. I don't agree that iphone excels at music/media playback and that is the iPhone not third party applications. Yea you can sync with itunes (which is crap) and your videos are converted and transferred automatically, which again leads to it being the simipliest device, but that does not make it a multimedia powerhouse. Android devices come with HDMI out (not the SGS2).
Basically the iPhone has its place but its not with techies. Its a great "dumb" phone but not the best and it may never be. That is up to Apple.
I will not get into an iOS vs android rant ... I will not get into an iOS vs android rant ... I will not get into an iOS vs android rant ... I will not get into an iOS vs android rant ... okay, that's better
I agree the music implementation in android is great. I like what Samsung has done with the player controls on the lock screen and notification shade. I use Pandora mostly, and its the same on both. I always felt one of the best commercials for android would have been: "If you don't have an iPhone, you don't have iTunes ... you're welcome." I was excited to stop the weekly 80MB iTunes updates when I got my Captivate. Joyous beyond measure I could drag and drop my music and movies myself. Plus, I can share everything I have with others without having to get floola, or iTunes, just send it or plug in.
But, I have never purchased an iProduct before or since my iPhone. I was a Zune user, and loved letting my iPod owning friends play with it, waiting for them to drop their jaw and comment on built in FM, WiFi, twice the screen size, and a user interface that a newbie can use. When I used their ipods I always gave up trying to navigate those menus.
Back to the task at hand ... yes Galaxy Nexus is a hardware dissapointment. I liken it to the iPhone 4S "upgrade" that took 16 months to come out. Like the iPhone event was really about Siri, the Nexus event was really about ICS. I think we'll have all the ICS goodness soon.
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To each their own I guess... just voicing my opinion. Android is a stronger platform than iOS with more functionality and tweakability, but iOS does work easier and in some places better I think. I'm not hating on one or the other, just stating my opinion. I really wish the music app in android was handled better. I miss my genius playlist abilities and smart shuffle.
re: Compare
Why switch to a new phone which only has a 5MP camera compared to
our phone which has an 8MP camera?
Also why would it be an advantage to give up our external sdcard slot?
Under the hood both have just about the same "horse power" with
Dual-core 1.2 GHz processors and an excellent GPU chipset.
Both having 1GB of ram as well.
Also you will find that even though the Samsung Galaxy Nexus has higher
resolution and a larger screen than our SGS2 has, if you put the two side
by side our Samsung SGS2 has noticeably larger default text fonts making
it by far easier to read.
I know we can change the text font sizes, however most if not all the apps
and games available for our phones are designed to use the default fonts
not only performance, but also for the very best appearance that's possible.
Not only is the text larger on our phones but anything and everything on the
screen is larger.
As far as game play goes, most games are designed to look and work best in a
more standardized resolution like our phones have.
Just my personal opinion
I thought the topic was gn vs gs2? Where is apple in there?
I was drooling watching the nexus event but the truth is my gs2 should run ics without issue and hopefully we aren't waiting too long for official ics update.
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Misterjunky said:
Why switch to a new phone which only has a 5MP camera compared to our phone which has an 8MP camera?
Also why would it be an advantage to give up our external sdcard slot?
Under the hood both have just about the same "horse power" with
Dual-core 1.2 GHz processors and an excellent GPU chipset.
Both having 1GB of ram as well.
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after seeing the unveiling, these were the exact things i was thinking of... a "worse" camera, and the same specs under the hood... pretty underwhelming if you ask me.
That's the title of a review from the quite large news-station in Denmark
Link for danes:
http://ekstrabladet.dk/kup/elektronik/gadgets/article1667847.ece
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The reviewer says it's better than ipad in all ways.
EDIT: How can i get an infraction from beign racist, when i'm a dane?
It's like saying "**** all americans" when you are born and raised in america.
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That's the title of a review from the quite large news-station in Denmark
Link for danes:
http://ekstrabladet.dk/kup/elektronik/gadgets/article1667847.ece
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The reviewer says it's better than ipad in all ways.
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Well, to be honest, that sounds like the reviewer is a total Android fanboy in that case. Prime does not beat 'ipad in all ways'. Even the biggest fanboys in this forum would not say that Prime is better than an iPad is in every way.
It's actually more like a preview
So what do you think of Benny Feilhaber?
I would. Only people who haven't owned or owned for very long would say that. ios is crazy locked down. There isn't much to do other than play games. Its like a prison rec yard with razor wire and little Steve jobs guards with whistles..
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Android vs. iOS is like religion and politics - you just don't go there. I'd never buy an Apple product because I can't stand their Orwellian control over both the h/w and s/w. But, for people who like things simple and thought out for them, iOS is a safe bet. Also, look at the price of a used TF1 vs. an iPad1. Apple sells more iPads in a week than Asus is projecting for all of 2012. Whether you like Apple or not they've built up quite a little empire of loyal fans. I just bought my niece a 32GB iPad2 because Garage Band doesn't exist for Windows or Android. So there are examples of things you can do on iOS that you can't on other platforms.
Gaming: ipad 2
Office stuff: push
Personalization: Android
Quik learning curve: ios
Transitions to apps: ios
All of this might/ should change with tegra 3 and ICS coming out, but we dont know what ipad3 will bring either.
What i chose in those "catagories" might make you think i would be a Apple fanboy, but i put personalizatio/customization as 88% of my personal scoring. I own an ipad and ipad 2 and theyre great for my wife and 3yo. But i love my a500 and my asus when it gets here.
pizza and beer ...
Android on a tablet is damn near all anyone needs for their daily computer needs. I FULLY believe android is the future of computing. Hands down blowing the doors off of ios. Its laughable really....
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banderling said:
So what do you think of Benny Feilhaber?
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he plays in new england, and probably does ipad
g0t0 said:
Gaming: ipad 2
Office stuff: push
Personalization: Android
Quik learning curve: ios
Transitions to apps: ios
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You forgot to mention:
OS Functionality: Android
iOS is essentially a glorified app launcher. Which fine as far as it goes, because iOS has lots of good apps. But I like being able to use my tablet without needing to launch apps, and there's quite a bit I can do with my Transformer right from the home screen (see recent emails, Tweets, Facebook updates, calendar events, tasks, etc., create Evernote notes, etc.).
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Transitions to apps: ios
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By that standard, we should have never outgrown Megablocks or Tonka trucks. LOL
I like my widgets, and not a glorified shortcut screen.
g0t0 said:
Gaming: ipad 2
Office stuff: push
Personalization: Android
Quik learning curve: ios
Transitions to apps: ios
All of this might/ should change with tegra 3 and ICS coming out, but we dont know what ipad3 will bring either.
What i chose in those "catagories" might make you think i would be a Apple fanboy, but i put personalizatio/customization as 88% of my personal scoring. I own an ipad and ipad 2 and theyre great for my wife and 3yo. But i love my a500 and my asus when it gets here.
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Not so sure about the gaming verdict there. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the iPad supports game controllers. Also it seems that I'm able to get a lot of the iTunes paid apps free in the Android Market.
Downloading from anywhere you want.......Android
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Funny how every thread here turns into an android vs ios discussion I think that just shows that both systems are very good and really competing. Best situation for us the users. They race each other with new features and lower prices and we profit!
Anyways it all comes down to personal preference. For me the Prime beats the iPad in all ways. But there are so many reasons why people get tablets and everyone is looking for something slightly different...
-There is the "i buy every apple product" guy
-There is the "i have all other products from apple so i buy my tablet from them as well" guy
-There's the "everything must be shiny and sparkling" guy (that obviously buys apple products)
-There's the "i would never buy an apple product" guy
-There's the "omg i love the keyboard dock idea on the prime" guy (me)
-There's the "i wont buy a tablet without full sized USB port somewhere" guy (me)
-There's the "i want to use my tablet for more than media consumption" guy (me)
-There's the "i dont want to jailbreak my device to be able to use it properly" guy (me)
and so on and on... I think in the end Apple will have about the same spot they have in the PC market now. Why? They've put those great ideas out there with the iphone and the ipad and no one else had any comparable products at the time. This situation is called "Monopoly". You get huge sales by that. Imagine there would be only one car manufactor...
But while other companies like ASUS improve this idea by adding new stuff, Apple somehow keeps to the original idea. So many gamers are screaming for a hardware control method. Apple says you have touchscreen its awesome. Having a keyboard dock and full sized ports is awesome but Apple says you have touchscreen and cloud thing - thats better. Etc.
i find that old people, women, and kids are more suited for ios. While its a "glorified shortcut screen" its all they really need. Oh yea, and non nerdy guys too.
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i find that old people, women, and kids are more suited for ios. While its a "glorified shortcut screen" its all they really need. Oh yea, and non nerdy guys too.
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I guess anyone who does not like/ want to spend time on customizing the OS would love the iOS experience. Similar to what happens with Mac vs. PC. You want to customize and be able to change everything that you could possibly think of but with the possibility of messing up your system, get a PC/Android. You want an out of box experience which is pretty much smooth while only safely letting you stay within the virtual walls the engineers developed, get an Apple.
Android tablets slowly chopping away iPad marketshare
Not sure if this is a correct place to post it, but I saw this article this morning
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/26/strategy-analytics-apple-still-owns-tablet-market-but-android/
According to numbers, Android is slowly eroding Apple's hold on tablet market. And I believe numbers do not show Transformer Prime yet. Wonder how long until we see the same thing here that happened with phone market, when Android overtook iPhone.
Meanee said:
Not sure if this is a correct place to post it, but I saw this article this morning
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/26/strategy-analytics-apple-still-owns-tablet-market-but-android/
According to numbers, Android is slowly eroding Apple's hold on tablet market. And I believe numbers do not show Transformer Prime yet. Wonder how long until we see the same thing here that happened with phone market, when Android overtook iPhone.
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iPhone hit back strongly last quarter though, impressive for one company to out-perform every other company out there put together. But yeah it is inevitable, Android will chip more of that market share away in upcoming years as long as companies produce great phones and tablets.
I cannot resist pointing out that quality control plays a huge role in it though. If Android phones and tablets become known for quality hardware and build wise as much as Android itself has become a very solid and stable operating system, this will happen quickly. But if the 'best Android tablet' launch, like that of TF201, is continuously full of problems in the future, then it's basically Android shooting itself in the foot.
kristovaher said:
iPhone hit back strongly last quarter though, impressive for one company to out-perform every other company out there put together. But yeah it is inevitable, Android will chip more of that market share away in upcoming years as long as companies produce great phones and tablets.
I cannot resist pointing out that quality control plays a huge role in it though. If Android phones and tablets become known for quality hardware and build wise as much as Android itself has become a very solid and stable operating system, this will happen quickly. But if the 'best Android tablet' launch, like that of TF201, is continuously full of problems in the future, then it's basically Android shooting itself in the foot.
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Excellent points. I totally agree.
I just wanted to share my experiences with the ASUS Transformer Prime after 7 days of owning one...
So when the Prime was first announced, I immediately decided that was going to the first and only Android tablet I get.
It had the specs. It had the looks. It had the good initial reviews.
Then when the Prime was released in the US, the first rumblings started to come out that the Prime was not as perfect as it seemed.
I was determined not to pay too much attention to the issues that people were having and wait to get mine to make my own mind up.
So on 2nd Feb, bought my Prime. And the first 48 hours were great; the tab had excellent build quality, the OS was nippy and there was the added novelty of the keyboard dock.
Boredom set in; there are not a lot of Android tablet apps out there; the apps that were updated to work with ICS scaled up beautifully, but are still very limited. The few optimised apps I could find were just OK, not great.
Also really dumb things began to irk me within the OS; setting something as simple as wallpaper was hit and miss. Sometimes the display would refuse to show icons or widgets without a reboot.
Then the bottom segment of the display would glitch and flash.
Talking of Flash, once I installed Flash 11 on the Prime, the performance took a bit of a hit; the browser was sluggish and wouldn't render properly;
I also had issues with DLNA; the devices in my house (Xbox, PS3, iPhone, Mac) can all see the folders on my Buffalo NAS with no issues. The Prime refused to see anything but the Music folder.
Bad.
Then we had the hardware issues.
The issue with GPS is well known; no lock whatsoever indoors…Outside, 5 MINS to get a lock on ONE satellite.
I thought "meh, it's not like I'm gonna use it…"
- Wi-fi signal would drop even when I was close to the router and even on a clear channel
- Camera quality for an 8MP camera was not as good as the iPhone 4S
- Light bleed on the right side of the display was bad as well…
- Battery was lasting 6-8hrs max;
It was at this point, I started thinking: This has just cost me £500.
It was something that I had been looking forward for weeks, had saved and sacrificed for… and I'm disappointed with it…
£500 is a lot of money for a device with so many flaws; it felt like a beta product.
It also didn't help that ASUS decided to announce an upgraded model with a fix for the GPS issues and that will probably have a better QA process.
Software-wise, Android has momentum… but it's not there yet.
I wanted to use BBC iPlayer; there is no app for tablets available and you can't even use the website because it's not supported; it's the same with Sky Go.
Both of these services have fully functional iPad apps, by the way.
There just simply are not enough decent quality or killer apps for Android tablet at the moment. Specs mean nothing without content to take advantage of them.
In hindsight, it was probably too early for me to get an Android tablet. As much as I like to tinker, at the same time I need something that is functional and just works.
I returned the Prime today; gutted I had to, but there too many issues and niggles that would have prevented me from justifying spending £500 on something that's not ready for primetime (excuse the pun).
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There just simply are not enough decent quality or killer apps for Android tablet at the moment. Specs mean nothing without content to take advantage of them.
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Attacking the Prime gets you flamed. Attacking Android gets you incinerated. Be prepared.
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Attacking the Prime gets you flamed. Attacking Android gets you incinerated. Be prepared.
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It's not an attack, thank you.
I have a Samsung Galaxy S2 and it's brilliant; I've had no issues with it in nearly a year and it's been rooted and all sorts.
Android is a great platform, but the critical mass is not there for apps yet.
The Prime is a cracking bit of kit; ASUS kinda screwed up by releasing a hyped product with so many issues, then made it worse by announcing an better version within days of the retail launch.
The point was to share experience, not start a flame war. Your post doesn't help.
Just return and it wait for a tablet that works properly. This forum is full of people trying to justify their 600 dollar purchase with blind fanboy logic. Any idiot can see this tablet has severe issues, some of which no software update will ever fix.
So let me save people the time and I will post the responses you are likely to hear.
"Mine works just fine.. sucks for you"
"Must be user error".
"My wifi works great"( manyof these people are clueless on how to even test wifi signal)
And the ever popular "cool story bro"
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I actually thik the opposite. IMO, iOS sucks. Apple was never a cloud company and it is still a cloud wannabe. Google has always been a cloud company. Gmail, Docs, Chrome, great stuff. I am quite content with the apps available for Android. I even found QGET for my QNAP, was surprised to see that. More will come.
Good decision imho. It didnt do what you bought it for (what ever that was, not clear to me from your post).
I'm still very happy with it. No issues. Yeah software could (and will) be better. But this thing does everything i need and it does it good. Watching full high quality flash in the browser is a huge plus for me.
One thing though, i never had an ipad - so i guess i dont know how it is when you have dozes of "tablet" apps.
What is different about those compared to apps on android tablets? The layout of them? The features? I really like the idea behind ICS and the unification of apps for phones/tablets. Only problem it was just released^^ Think about the first 6 months the ipad was out.
But still i have a nice looking "tablet" app for everything i need. Great pdf reader&book reader, very nice newspaper app was already installed offering local newspapers. The music app is stunning and feels just so good, Gmail, Polaris office, many very good choices on browsers, video player software and keyboards. Stuff like Titanium Backup? Not even windows has such a good backup system.
The simple and accessible file system android has... I dont know iOS just has absolutely no chance on a tablet compared to android. IMHO. I'm sounding like a fanboy but plz show me why iOS is so much better on a tablet? There must be some really freakin awesome apps^^
[e] just had an important thought:
I think there is a big difference. Jobs once said today its all about apps on mobile devices. People want to use an app for everything instead of using the "internet". At least thats what apple advertises... But for me that isnt true at all. When i read news, i use the browser and if I want to watch starcraft games or TV i use websites for that as well. Google is a total browser company, chrome alone shows that. And i guess thats why ios will never be better for what i'm looking for.
i cant see apple last forever. Android is individuality. iOS is conformity. Now think about what modern society is and how people are today.
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There just simply are not enough decent quality or killer apps for Android tablet at the moment. Specs mean nothing without content to take advantage of them.
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Although I love Android and my Prime, I completely agree with this statement 100%. That's what I've been telling people when they try to be like oh there's a new model tf-700 coming out, or new Lenovo crap tablet, or Samsung Ipad wannabe tablet, or whatever with higher specs. Higher specs don't mean jack of we don't have the software to fully utilize it. Its no secret that Android tablets are more powerful spec wise than Ipad or ipad2. Thing apple has downpacked is they make the most with what they have. Apps are 100% optimized for the spec on IOS devices. Just like at the beginning here, when people were crying about 1Gb of rAM not being enough to succeed. Well tell that to the sales figures of ipad1 and ipad2. My ipad1 only has 256mb of RAM. Ipad2 only has 512mb of RAM. Yet they own majority of tablet market n sell the most. The software and hardware apple brings mesh very well. I got tired of being locked down to Apples rules and very glad I got my Android tablet. My Prime kills ipad1 or 2 n looks or power or whatever. BUT they still have advantage of having wayyyy more tablet only optimized apps. There's no denying it. App store has a huge section dedicated to just tablet apps only. Makes it easier for people to distinguish between phone n tablet optimized apps.
Like I've always debated before, software is the key to Android success. Not constantly throwing hardware or higher specs at the issue. What good is a 3Ghz speed(example) new Android tablet, if its pushing the same on crap like Joe schmoe is on his cheap android phone? That's all I've been trying to say. ANDROID needs to concentrate more on the OS optimizing and the software or we will always be behind. As far as app quality goes. ANDROID is getting there though. But needs to pick up the pace fast. Especially with windows trying to jump back into the scene. Remember before there was every an android or IOS, Microsoft n windows ruled mobile. Like from my Kaiser(Tilt) n Rhodium(tilt2) days. I remember thinkn those phones were so high tech n could do so much. It was the ending of an era that brought way to IOS n Android. They were fresh n new n had killer features also. Real touch screens. Capacitive. Not that resistive touch screen crap that my old phones had. I even had a Motorola original Razed back in the day. Very high tech for its time. AS we see times are changing. It takes alot more to please people now. Just having higher specs won't do it anymore. ANDROID HAS to come with more than that. We have soon much untapped potential with Android. But like they say, Potential don't mean sh#! If its not put to use properly I have faith n Android believe it will eventually get to where it should be.
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Good decision imho. It didnt do what you bought it for (what ever that was, not clear to me from your post).
I'm still very happy with it. No issues. Yeah software could (and will) be better. But this thing does everything i need and it does it good. Watching full high quality flash in the browser is a huge plus for me.
One thing though, i never had an ipad - so i guess i dont know how it is when you have dozes of "tablet" apps.
What is different about those compared to apps on android tablets? The layout of them? The features? I really like the idea behind ICS and the unification of apps for phones/tablets. Only problem it was just released^^ Think about the first 6 months the ipad was out.
But still i have a nice looking "tablet" app for everything i need. Great pdf reader&book reader, very nice newspaper app was already installed offering local newspapers. The music app is stunning and feels just so good, Gmail, Polaris office, many very good choices on browsers, video player software and keyboards. Stuff like Titanium Backup? Not even windows has such a good backup system.
The simple and accessible file system android has... I dont know iOS just has absolutely no chance on a tablet compared to android. IMHO. I'm sounding like a fanboy but plz show me why iOS is so much better on a tablet? There must be some really freakin awesome apps^^
[e] just had an important thought:
I think there is a big difference. Jobs once said today its all about apps on mobile devices. People want to use an app for everything instead of using the "internet". At least thats what apple advertises... But for me that isnt true at all. When i read news, i use the browser and if I want to watch starcraft games or TV i use websites for that as well. Google is a total browser company, chrome alone shows that. And i guess thats why ios will never be better for what i'm looking for.
i cant see apple last forever. Android is individuality. iOS is conformity. Now think about what modern society is and how people are today.
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I Approve this message great points
Thanks for the responses!
It was a real wretch giving the tablet back; I love the flexibility of Android and it will get there in time...
I might even get the Prime again in a 6-12 months time... which is an ages when it comes to technology
I think its sad that someone leave a honest review gets flamed on lol, wake up and look at all the complaints on the forums the man is correct. And we all know android has potential but if the development is not there now then android is not there . That simple stop crying about how android is better
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I think its sad that someone leave a honest review gets flamed on lol, wake up and look at all the complaints on the forums the man is correct. And we all know android has potential but if the development is not there now then android is not there . That simple stop crying about how android is better
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All I said was bye
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Thanks for the responses!
It was a real wretch giving the tablet back; I love the flexibility of Android and it will get there in time...
I might even get the Prime again in a 6-12 months time... which is an ages when it comes to technology
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Yeah...its just so messed up how Asus tainted this Prime launch. Prime is an excellent device when you have a good working one. Like me I wouldn't trade my prime for any other tablet. It works so great for me. SERIOUSLY. BUT I KNOW there are defective ones out there so it messes up the experience for that person. For me this 5 core tegra3 device kicks ass. For others with defective devices, they are really disappointed n I can understand the anger behind it. But not all are that way though. The ones that aren't will always speak up n support it because of how much we enjoy it. Good luck on future tablet.
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All I said was bye
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Shouldn't you be gone then? xD
He's not talking about you specifically. People need to know the difference between generalisation/blanket statements and the particulars, like my teacher always says. :3
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Shouldn't you be gone then? xD
He's not talking about you specifically. People need to know the difference between generalisation/blanket statements and the particulars, like my teacher always says. :3
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No, no, no, I was telling him bye (very coolly I thought), I wasn't leaving. I was one of the lucky ones with the prime from 01/27 plus I got a year ADH from BB so if they fix the GPS then I will replace it based on the GPS listed on the box. Besides look at my sig.
Just realized there is a whole cool story bro world out there. Okay to the OP I gonna post one that maybe you haven't seen to cheer you up, I think he is from across the pond. BTW I bought my first OG transfomer in Oct fully 7 months after original release so that should work out for you
Later 2 I sold mine on eBay for a good deal, as I am happy and my customer is happy. I'm waiting about 10 more days for the Samsung Galaxy Note. I'm still interested in where the android technology goes in 2012. If they can't make things stronger this year they may lose their chance to be the 'best other option' with the windows tablets coming out. I believe they will be good as well.
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From years on forums discussing mobile devices, here's some etiquette type things I've learned.
1) Android vs. iOS - It's like comparing a diesel car to a hybrid. They both achieve the same result but totally differently. Owners of both will vigorously defend their choice. They don't need to be repeated here, but both Android and iOS have their own unique strengths and weaknesses. Saying iOS is "better" (which is subjective anyway) is a sure way of starting a flame war. Same thing applies in reverse on an Apple forum. Detente is the best anyone can hope for.
2) The "Grand Farewell" - If someone's leaving a device over issues, chances are there's already a thread open on said issues. If saying good-bye to people you don't know who really don't care what device you're leaving for or why is important to you, say it in that thread. Addressing an entire forum's audience on the front page announcing your plans is a bit self-indulgent.
3) The "I Just Got My Device" - Unless there's something unique about your particular unit, no one really cares. Theoretically they should all be the same and thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people preceded you. If you need validation, find another "I Just Got My Device" thread and bump that one with a hearty “Me Too!”
4) "My "X" Device is Better Than This Forum's "Y" Device - It's like going over to someone's house for dinner and calling them ugly. If there's a comparison thread, fine, it's open season. To jump in to a thread discussing the host forum's device and say "I don't have any issues with my ’X’" adds no value and just pisses people off; especially if they’re working through an issue. Chances are the "X" device may not have said issue but has its own which might even be worse. No one needs a “device pissing match” in the middle of an issue thread.
Just something to think about...
Now this is a proper way to share your experience and say farewell. I really appreciate that you did not disrespect the users, and stayed on topic and provided proper, no-rage fueled reasoning. Really sorry that you were not satisfied with your purchase, and it is your every right to switch to another gadget.
Would love to see you back when ICS ages a bit and Prime gets its issues solved. Me on the other hand, I am very happy with the prime.
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Software-wise, Android has momentum… but it's not there yet.
I wanted to use BBC iPlayer; there is no app for tablets available and you can't even use the website because it's not supported; it's the same with Sky Go.
Both of these services have fully functional iPad apps, by the way.
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Keeping it constructive - Sky Go app coming very soon for Android Tablets (End of Feb), iPlayer works like a charm, you have to request the desktop site from the browser, BBCHD videos are smooth as silk.
Looking forward to my flight from the UK to Australia in a couple of weeks with my Prime in tow, portable HDD connected to the USB port on the dock with 300GB of movies, this is my in flight entertainment!!
I have lightbleed, doesn't bother me, GPS is cack also, again it's what you want the tablet for and are willing to put up with - yes it's not perfect, but what is? I had an iPad2 and it kept slipping out of my hands as it was so heavy and the aluminium case was so slippy, had a Galaxy Tab 10.1 but sold it due to Tegra2 being rubbish and not wanting to convert all my movies to a format IT was happy with
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I also had issues with DLNA; the devices in my house (Xbox, PS3, iPhone, Mac) can all see the folders on my Buffalo NAS with no issues. The Prime refused to see anything but the Music folder.
Bad.
Software-wise, Android has momentum… but it's not there yet.
I wanted to use BBC iPlayer; there is no app for tablets available and you can't even use the website because it's not supported; it's the same with Sky Go.
Both of these services have fully functional iPad apps, by the way.
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In hindsight, it was probably too early for me to get an Android tablet. As much as I like to tinker, at the same time I need something that is functional and just works.
I returned the Prime today; gutted I had to, but there too many issues and niggles that would have prevented me from justifying spending £500 on something that's not ready for primetime (excuse the pun).
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seriously why didn't you buy an ipad or any stuff apple sells to people think like you?
I don't regurgitate blog pieces as a rule, but this was kinda funny...
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-5...have-a-clue-as-to-why-they-need-the-new-ipad/
No, no snotty "iSheep" comment from me. I fully believe that people are the same regardless of whatever toys they buy. But this illustrates the power of marketing in influencing consumer behavior. Heck, people buy bottled water!
Who else but Apple can get people to line up days in advance for its toy launches? The other day, my 6-yr old niece came up to me and said she wants an iPad for her birthday. Shut yo mouth, girl, where did you learn that nasty 4-letter word! 10 Hail Marys for you! And no ice cream either!
Then, thinking about it, if I were to get a tablet for little tyke, an iPad would be tops on the list right now. It's a great learning tool. And $400 one-time payment for an instant babysitter is not bad.
This is what Android has to face up against. It's not just a tech thing. Kudos to Apple marketers.
Then again, I take heart in realizing that all tech co's have their wax-wane cycles. Back in the day, it was the Sony Walkman that can do no wrong. Public tastes can change quickly.
The competition is great. Let's hope Goog will rise up to the challenge. I want my $199 Nexus tab. And my $499 Win8 tab.
Kind of ironic that earlier today I read a thread where you were quoting mods about xda rules/stances/etc yet here you are creating a thread that has NOTHING to do with a prime in the PRIME forums......
And some people have no clue why they'd need a new android tab either... I mean, some ppl buy new things just because they're new. That's not just the case for apple.
>And some people have no clue why they'd need a new android tab either... I mean, some ppl buy new things just because they're new. That's not just the case for apple.
When was the last time you see people get in line for a Dell or HP or anything Android...for days in advance?
For that matter, I'm hard pressed to think of any consumer product that had caused such anticipation, where even the act of waiting in line has become an "experience."
Beanies Babies? No...no lines, IIRC. Can anyone think of an equivalent example?
So, yes, it is really just the case for Apple, at least from my limited recollection.
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>And some people have no clue why they'd need a new android tab either... I mean, some ppl buy new things just because they're new. That's not just the case for apple.
When was the last time you see people get in line for a Dell or HP or anything Android...for days in advance?
For that matter, I'm hard pressed to think of any consumer product that had caused such anticipation, where even the act of waiting in line has become an "experience."
Beanies Babies? No...no lines, IIRC. Can anyone think of an equivalent example?
So, yes, it is really just the case for Apple, at least from my limited recollection.
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Justin Beiber?
Totally agree. What apple does best is marketing. Go watch some apple documentary from the 80ies on YouTube. There's one dude talking about the goals of apple and i quote:
"We want to convert people"
Guess they succeeded.
If they didn't do so much in marketing, I don't think they would be like they are now. I've said this before to people, but I just feel like the i"product" owners are brain washed by Apples Marketing techniques. Sure the iPhone and iPad and whatever have "cool" features here and there, but I'm sure if I would get bored of it.
Maybe if i STARTED with an iOS device, I would look at things differently, but since I started with an Android OS device as my real smartphone. I can't really see myself using an iOs device.
Apple people are just ignorant to the better options or f*cked up people.
I asked my co-worker why the skin on her phone had a hole on the back (was to show the Apple logo), and said it was to "advertise". Haha
They really love to show them off like they have something magical.
Anyone seen that samsung commercial where their is a huge lineup in front of a apple store and someone show up with a galaxy s2 and the guy say:
"I'm creative, I can't have a Samsung. "...
I think that is pretty much it.
The irony is that up you can't customize a iphone whitout a jailbreak and even then it is very limited...
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I think its mainly just a social standpoint piece. People want others to see them with an Apple device. Some see so many going crazy over Apple products an assume that they are superior products, because they simply don't know better. Others I believe buy them for what they are, easy to use, anyone can figure it out, modern electronic devices.
My younger sister has an iPod touch (never any apps on it, just music. Any mp3 can do that), an iPad 2(very very few apps), an is getting an iPhone when her contract is up. She currently has an Android phone. I looked at it the other day an asked why she had less than 10 apps an only 1 home screen setup on a phone she's had almost 2 years. Get reply was that she isn't in to that kinda stuff. What!!?? LOL. Yet all you can talk about is wanting an iPhone an using your iPad!!!??? If all you care about is texting an placing calls, then get a Jitterbug!!! Its just a social status for her. She is 24 too.
I bought an iPod Touch 4th Gen shortly after they came out. I love having access to Apple's Appstore. They have some great apps an games that I thoroughly enjoy. I would never have an iPhone as my primary phone, Android is so so much better an so much more fun. I do have an iPhone 4 that I got from a friend. I never activated it, just use it as a second iPod basically. I've jailbroke it, customized it some, used the Cydia apps, and I just don't see how so many people love those devices. It is so much slower than my Evo 3D even before root an overclocking. Evo 3D camera sucks, my Evo 4G was better, but its better then the iPhone camera.
Apple devices get boring quick!! I feel they have 3 owner categories: social status buyers, those who don't know better, an those who want a dumbed down an easy to use smart device.....
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I think its mainly just a social standpoint piece. People want others to see them with an Apple device. Some see so many going crazy over Apple products an assume that they are superior products, because they simply don't know better. Others I believe buy them for what they are, easy to use, anyone can figure it out, modern electronic devices.
My younger sister has an iPod touch (never any apps on it, just music. Any mp3 can do that), an iPad 2(very very few apps), an is getting an iPhone when her contract is up. She currently has an Android phone. I looked at it the other day an asked why she had less than 10 apps an only 1 home screen setup on a phone she's had almost 2 years. Get reply was that she isn't in to that kinda stuff. What!!?? LOL. Yet all you can talk about is wanting an iPhone an using your iPad!!!??? If all you care about is texting an placing calls, then get a Jitterbug!!! Its just a social status for her. She is 24 too.
I bought an iPod Touch 4th Gen shortly after they came out. I love having access to Apple's Appstore. They have some great apps an games that I thoroughly enjoy. I would never have an iPhone as my primary phone, Android is so so much better an so much more fun. I do have an iPhone 4 that I got from a friend. I never activated it, just use it as a second iPod basically. I've jailbroke it, customized it some, used the Cydia apps, and I just don't see how so many people love those devices. It is so much slower than my Evo 3D even before root an overclocking. Evo 3D camera sucks, my Evo 4G was better, but its better then the iPhone camera.
Apple devices get boring quick!! I feel they have 3 owner categories: social status buyers, those who don't know better, an those who want a dumbed down an easy to use smart device.....
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I agree. I think for majority of iPhone 4 and Ipad owners its more of a social status thing. its like having designer clothing and wearing Jordan sneakers. people go crazy over it just so they show it off and be like hey, look at me. I'm cool too...lol. iPhone and Ipad are really good devices. But not superior like most tend to believe. Apple is just a marketing genius and their app store had a headstart. ill give apple credit for making tablets popular or making them mainstream. they didn't create the market but made it popular instead.
I'd tend to think most apple device owners like to keep up with the Jones's. if you know what i mean.
The thing is though when everyone does something it goes beyond cool and becomes the normal! And something else becomes cool then the cycle repeates!
Apple will eventually slump...
It will go in and out just like fashion does every so many years..
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Then, thinking about it, if I were to get a tablet for little tyke, an iPad would be tops on the list right now. It's a great learning tool. And $400 one-time payment for an instant babysitter is not bad.
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I think it's interesting how you put this: it's a "great learning tool" and an "instant babysitter." No offense meant anywhere here--I'm a parent, and I know how blissful a few minutes of peace can be.
However, I don't think tablets and smartphones and such are "great learning tools." I think they reinforce the notion that kids have today that learning has to be entertainment. I'm of an age where I remember learning math, vocab, grammar, science, etc., etc., the hard, boring way--and I'm convinced that I learned more and better skills that way. Later in life, today's kids aren't going to be entertained every second in their jobs, which is why I think so many young people today don't perform well.
I'd say that a tablet for a kid makes for a decent toy, and can definitely provide a better form of entertainment than TV. But I would never call it a "great learning tool." And, if I were to get my son a tablet, it would be an Android tablet--at least that way he can learn to explore a device and devise ways to make it fit his needs, even how to dig into something and modify it, like rooting and such (which is why I think a $149 Nexus tablet would be EXCELLENT).
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The thing is though when everyone does something it goes beyond cool and becomes the normal! And something else becomes cool then the cycle repeates!
Apple will eventually slump...
It will go in and out just like fashion does every so many years..
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Here's what I think: Apple seems to be eating into their profit margins with the iPad. This will only get worse as lower-priced (and higher-quality) Android tablets continue to hit the market. Since it's such a huge portion of their overall profits that have been driving their stock price, any reduction will have an impact going forward.
I think a $149 (or even $199) Google Nexus tablet of any decent quality and marketed well could be a killer. They WILL eat into Apple's market share, and Apple will be forced to either come out with a lower-priced iPad (thus destroying their place at the top and validating lower-cost products), and/or continue to eat into their margins.
Bottom line: I think we could see Apple's stock price drop considerably over the next few years. And as that happens, they'll stop getting all of the attention from the media. The same cycle of hype driving stock price driving hype driving stock price could reverse pretty quickly. All that depends on Google doing some smart things, of course, and there's absolutely no guarantee that they will.
OP is ultra tier troll. Kudos to you, emote.
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Apple made a mistake going with a hi res screen, making a heavier and thicker tablet. On a 9.7" tablet, the better screen is not that noticeable. I saw the thing at the store. basically an overkill. Heavier and thicker is a big step backward. Apple wasted a year and an upgrade. I'm not gonna upgrade my wife's ipad2. I'm so tired of columnists praising the new ipad. I hope there are more article like this on cnet , speaking the truth (that the better screen isn't that different).
Threads like these are sad.
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Maybe they just want a tablet which works out of the box? And they think "Well, the $100 doesn't matter to me if I get a better screen and newer iPad". Android is great for people who want to change things on their tablet, but not for people who just want it to work.
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Apple made a mistake going with a hi res screen, making a heavier and thicker tablet. On a 9.7" tablet, the better screen is not that noticeable. I saw the thing at the store. basically an overkill. Heavier and thicker is a big step backward. Apple wasted a year and an upgrade. I'm not gonna upgrade my wife's ipad2. I'm so tired of columnists praising the new ipad. I hope there are more article like this on cnet , speaking the truth (that the better screen isn't that different).
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Sure, you will not notice the screen is better but will notice it is a full 0,6 mm thicker and 50 grams heavier.. I mean come on, the first minute you will notice it is heavier (not even it is thinker) and then it isn't noticeable anymore.
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Apple made a mistake going with a hi res screen, making a heavier and thicker tablet. On a 9.7" tablet, the better screen is not that noticeable. I saw the thing at the store. basically an overkill. Heavier and thicker is a big step backward. Apple wasted a year and an upgrade. I'm not gonna upgrade my wife's ipad2. I'm so tired of columnists praising the new ipad. I hope there are more article like this on cnet , speaking the truth (that the better screen isn't that different).
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there's actually more and more of those articles popping up. that people actually can't even tell the difference between the two displays side by side.
plus I did a little test of sorts last night. using opera browser I was looking at the font. I have good vision so it all looks clear to me. then I zoomed it up to the Max. the font still looks very clear and no jagged edges or anything. plus I can't see any pixels or whatever.
IMO, this shot looks clean as a mofo. so for me, the higher screen resolution is a bonus, but by far is needed. I came from an ipad1 resolution to the Prime 1280x800 resolution. now that's a bigger difference in clarity and why I think Prime has a great display itself.
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there's actually more and more of those articles popping up. that people actually can't even tell the difference between the two displays side by side.
plus I did a little test of sorts last night. using opera browser I was looking at the font. I have good vision so it all looks clear to me. then I zoomed it up to the Max. the font still looks very clear and no jagged edges or anything. plus I can't see any pixels or whatever.
IMO, this shot looks clean as a mofo. so for me, the higher screen resolution is a bonus, but by far is needed. I came from an ipad1 resolution to the Prime 1280x800 resolution. now that's a bigger difference in clarity and why I think Prime has a great display itself.
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iPad 1: 132 PPI
Prime: 149 PPI
new iPad: 264 PPI
Prime: 149 PPI
Sure dude, the iPad 1 vs Prime is a bigger difference.
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>And some people have no clue why they'd need a new android tab either... I mean, some ppl buy new things just because they're new. That's not just the case for apple.
When was the last time you see people get in line for a Dell or HP or anything Android...for days in advance?
For that matter, I'm hard pressed to think of any consumer product that had caused such anticipation, where even the act of waiting in line has become an "experience."
Beanies Babies? No...no lines, IIRC. Can anyone think of an equivalent example?
So, yes, it is really just the case for Apple, at least from my limited recollection.
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I'm pretty sure it took me a week to find a sprint store with my Evo 3D. Sure, there weren't massive lines but for how hard it was to get one, sure seemed that way.
Also, Nintendo Wii, Playstation 3 and XBox 360 all had massive lines. Apple isn't the only one. I remember seeing on the news that people were getting get shot for a Wii. Don't think I've heard of someone being shot for an iPad/iPhone.
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