I'm wondering for the purposes of recoveries, custom ROMs, radios, etc.. if the Telus and AT&T versions of the One X+ will be identical? In other words, can any ROM for the AT&T version be flashed onto the Telus version? What about radios? recoveries? Etc.? Thanks.
Nope different software
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Actually, they should be compatible. Usually NAM (North American Model) phones accept the same ROMs. For example, my HTC Amaze 4G is on T-Mobile USA, Telus, Wind, and Videotron. They all accept the same custom ROMs and even custom kernels. Since the HOX+ for Telus has LTE, hardware wise, it should be 99.9% identical and the software will be slightly different. Telus has no bloat, but AT&T does.
Really? Wouldn't the radios pose problem
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Thanks for the replies.
To be clear, my question is, will the Telus and AT&T versions of the One X+ be identical hardware? I don't care what software ships on them. I just want to know if the hardware will allow installation of the exact same ROMs, kernels, radio firmware, recovery images, etc.
olorolo said:
Really? Wouldn't the radios pose problem
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Not necessarily. People from the Amaze 4G section flashed Telus RUUs on T-Mobile phones and vice versa. No issues. However, that is hypothetical. Since the Telus/AT&T model have the same frequencies, it SHOUDLNT have an issue, by as I said, hypothetically.
cb474 said:
Thanks for the replies.
To be clear, my question is, will the Telus and AT&T versions of the One X+ be identical hardware? I don't care what software ships on them. I just want to know if the hardware will allow installation of the exact same ROMs, kernels, radio firmware, recovery images, etc.
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As I explained above, it shouldn't be an issue. They should have the same radio, with slight tweaks to match the carrier.
Someone confirmed that the AT&T recovery worked for the Telus HOX+ so that means they have identical hardware.
Many thanks folks as I had the same exact question. I am wanting to buy one for use in the US but I'll be damned if I buy it from at&t as I already give them too much money for service...
MG
With the regular HOX they were identical. As a matter of fact i have a telus radio on my ATT hox, worked better for me than the ATT ones. Roms were identical. I'd assume it would be the same with the +, I haven't compared hardware though.
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Many thanks folks as I had the same exact question. I am wanting to buy one for use in the US but I'll be damned if I buy it from at&t as I already give them too much money for service...
MG
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Yeah, I'd like to get one to use in the U.S. also. The next question is where? Is eBay the only option?
i thought lots of people were bricking their phones by not reading the ROMs all the way through and trying to flash an international coded ROM onto their ATT phone
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Hey guys,i'm wondering what is the different between At&T and Asian version.
Is there any different hardware or just a software?
Do both have nfc chip?
If it is a same,then can i use stock AT&T gingerbread on Asian version?
Thanks in advance
No Atrix in the world has NFC.
And yeah, most differences are software, with some on the hardware side. There are some build process differences, look for two pics here on the forums where you can see the antenna design is a bit different.
Thanks for your enlightened,but where can i see the pics?
According to you,which one is better for the built quality and roms?
They prefer to be called HKTW. Not Asian. Gosh could you be more culturally bias towards this build?
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I'm sorry,i don't know how to name it.
In my country,there are two version,one is AT&T version and another one is from Starhub Singapore (in here they call it Asian version).
I'm wondering which one has best built quality,and does custom rom works for both?
Appreciate for your reply
im new with atrix, so dont know much yet
but now im using AT&T version ROM in Starhub Singapore atrix.. work fine..
if asian ver can use AT&T version, so what the difference??
Wow,thanks Alil to clear up my mind.
It's because most of people here using AT&T version,i was afraid if there is minor custom roms that support Starhub/HKTW Atrix.
Hey all!
Sorry if this has been asked before (I've seen posts about it but no straight answers on the issue).
I have a brand new T-Mobile Amaze and a brand new Wind Mobile Amaze. Long story about why!
I can't decide which to keep. I like the fact that Winds is unbranded. I would probably like to use the wifi calling feature on the T-Mobile one when I visit the US (I spend 5 months in the US and the rest of the year in Canada). I don't think I want to root this phone....am undecided right now. The thing that bothers me though, is the camera program on the Wind Mobile version. It's completely different and I like the T-Mobile one better. If I DID decide to root, could I get the T-mobile camera on the Wind one? And then, how would wifi calling work?
Sorry, I'm a newb who is not savvy about any of this stuff....
Any help would be appreciated
Also, I read something a while back, that the bands are different between the two versions. Is this true?
Thanks in advance! CHEERS!
I'm no pro and please correct me anyone if i'm wrong but yes. the bands are different, which is why there are different RUU's for the telus, tmos, wind etc amazes.
I'm pretty sure if you kept your wind mobile one and then followed the procedure to root the device, you'll be able to use the ROM's that we have on XDA and then in my opinion that would give you the camera from the T-mobile one (most likely unless it's been changed) - but yeah don't hold me 100% accountable for this.
You can flash a T-Mobile based ROM onto the WIND's Amaze. With this, you will get the camera interface from the T-Mobile Amaze. I'm not sure about WiFi calling since I never use it - actually I don't even know if WIND has WiFi calling on their network.
Keep the t mobile one, wind one is not yet compatible with the kernels supplied by custom ROMs for now. Means anything with faux kernel
I know it says compatible with all the htc amaze on the kernel page but it is not for the Wind
Thanks for the replies
Hmmmm, I may think about rooting after all....I am looking at both the T-Mobile and the Wind site....
T-Mobile Amaze:
850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100);UMTS: Band V (850)
Wind Amaze:
3G (UMTS/HSPA) AWS 1700/2100 2G (GSM/GPRS/EDGE) 850/1900/900/1800
They look like the same bands to me. (??) I really like the unbranded Wind one. I'm not sure if I would ever use wifi calling when I had the phone in the US. Could I potentially add the T-Mobile wifi calling to a rooted Wind Amaze do you think?
Thanks so much once again. Sorry for the dummy questions....!
Wind's Amaze bands are (from the box, and I have verified that I could connect to both T-mobile and AT&T bands while in the states):
HSPA 850/1700/1900/2100.
GSM 850/900/1800/1900.
Kernels from Faux do work on the Wind Amaze (at least, they did for me when I was running custom).
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Keep the t mobile one, wind one is not yet compatible with the kernels supplied by custom ROMs for now. Means anything with faux kernel
I know it says compatible with all the htc amaze on the kernel page but it is not for the Wind
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Ohhh I had no idea....
Well I guess that makes things easier for me
Thanks everyone once again!
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Keep the t mobile one, wind one is not yet compatible with the kernels supplied by custom ROMs for now. Means anything with faux kernel
I know it says compatible with all the htc amaze on the kernel page but it is not for the Wind
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I don't know what you're talking about, but Faux kernel works fine with my WIND Amaze.
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I don't know what you're talking about, but Faux kernel works fine with my WIND Amaze.
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Your videos work fine after? camera still work???? maybe you have a slightly different variant, but recent batch seems to be incompatible.
Hmmm, now I REALLY don't know what to do! I guess I will keep the T-Mobile one since I have already been tinkering with it...that keeps the Wind Mobile one brand new so I can resell it! I suppose I can be a girly girl and put some swarovski crytals over the darned T-Mobile branding!
Now, next step is to find out how to get the wifi hotspot working. Have been reading up on this. May be easier just to root it.
If I unlock it and use it on Wind, would the wifi hotspot work without rooting it?
Thanks again everyone
if i was you i would keep the wind one ... why? because the tmobile branding is a HUGE turnoff when you are looking at your screen (sorry americans!) They are generally the same device just with no branding, you could push an apk to your system folder or apps cant remember and it should work as long as you have a t-mobile sim card. In canada we do not have wifi calling so it wouldnt working here (duh!) Good luck with your pick! what i would suggest be the breaking point is check if either device has S-OFF if it does you could sell it to a developer (possible a little cheaper so they can start making roms and try to achieve s-off in all other devices.) Good luck with your pick, basically theyre both the same device.
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if i was you i would keep the wind one ... why? because the tmobile branding is a HUGE turnoff when you are looking at your screen (sorry americans!) They are generally the same device just with no branding, you could push an apk to your system folder or apps cant remember and it should work as long as you have a t-mobile sim card. In canada we do not have wifi calling so it wouldnt working here (duh!) Good luck with your pick! what i would suggest be the breaking point is check if either device has S-OFF if it does you could sell it to a developer (possible a little cheaper so they can start making roms and try to achieve s-off in all other devices.) Good luck with your pick, basically theyre both the same device.
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Heya!
Ok, so they are the same device exactly....hmmm. So, wifi calling isn't as a big deal as the camera software. I want to make sure I could for SURE have the T-Mobile Camera on the Wind phone. And if I root the Wind one, I am assuming the start up animation can be changed. The Wind one is lame. T-Mobile one is much better;-)
I am not sure what S-Off is....but can you tell me how to check for that?
Thanks a bunch!
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Heya!
Ok, so they are the same device exactly....hmmm. So, wifi calling isn't as a big deal as the camera software. I want to make sure I could for SURE have the T-Mobile Camera on the Wind phone. And if I root the Wind one, I am assuming the start up animation can be changed. The Wind one is lame. T-Mobile one is much better;-)
I am not sure what S-Off is....but can you tell me how to check for that?
Thanks a bunch!
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you have to boot into bootloader (by removing battery then - pressing volume down and holding it down and then press power button (you should keep pressing both power + volume until you get into bootloader.) if you install a custom rom like bulletproof or sense 3.5 you will get The new Camera APK and bulletproof has wifi calling included good luck!
I don't know why people keep saying that T-Mobile and Wind are different bands.
You do realize that the reason why Wind doesn't get different phones from T-Mobile is because they use the same bands, right?
If the phone doesn't work on T-Mobile's standard 3g+ network (AWS) it won't work on Wind, and vice-versa.
The only thing you need to worry about it is it being sim-unlocked.
The different RUUs only exist because of carrier customization and locking. Wind's Amaze RUU is pretty much stock without the extra bloat of T-Mobile Apps. But of course, the T-Mobile RUU also has the updated camera function, unlike Wind's.
Also, that's the first I've heard about Wind Amaze's having problems with faux's kernel. FYI my Wind Amaze's camera works fine on faux's latest kernel and NRG's Energy ROM (and xboarder's when I used his). However, mine was manufactured in November, so YMMV.
Actually youre a bit wrong on that, T-Mobile does support 2G network so any phone with 2G bands (such as iphone or galaxy note) will work on T-Mobile Network with 2G Internet Speeds. And the RUUs are made for the carrier specific device so if you want to revert stock always use ur own carriers RUU!
I know, that's why I mentioned the standard 3g+ AWS network. If it doesn't work on the 3g network on T-mobile, it won't work on Wind's Home network which uses the same 1700/2100 band (also why people tend to buy T-mobile phones and use them on Wind's network).
And yes, reverting to stock using the same RUU is a good idea. However, from my experience with Motorola's SBFs, they are interchangable among the same device. Because Wind didn't have a publicly leaked SBF, we've been using other carrier's SBFs without problems when reverting to "near" stock.
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I know, that's why I mentioned the standard 3g+ AWS network. If it doesn't work on the 3g network on T-mobile, it won't work on Wind's Home network which uses the same 1700/2100 band (also why people tend to buy T-mobile phones and use them on Wind's network).
And yes, reverting to stock using the same RUU is a good idea. However, from my experience with Motorola's SBFs, they are interchangable among the same device. Because Wind didn't have a publicly leaked SBF, we've been using other carrier's SBFs without problems when reverting to "near" stock.
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Ahh... another unsatisfied XT720 user. ;p
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Ahh... another unsatisfied XT720 user. ;p
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Hohoho, you've caught me. (So many random freezes/battery pulls)
Now I'm a mostly satisfied Amaze user. Just need to wait for those new ICS ROMs.
Also, quick reading for those who are still confused about radio bands / if it will work on your network.
http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...ne-Will-Work-With-WIND-(or-Any-Other-Carrier)
i still dont know why tmobile version is the only one that have all those camera features, the wind version of the Amaze have the old camera UI like the sensation does, but im sure there should be a flashable zip for the camera like tmobile amaze version is.
anyone that had the sensation 4g knows what im talking about
i dont know if the same flash zip file from the sensation works or not, im not a pro but i figure it wont cause its made to work with the sensation,
another thing guys, they have a blueray feature for the camera when recording, you guys think it can be port over to the amaze?
If you rooted your phone, I have the tmo camera apk for you.
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What are the differences between the two? Why cant I flash the same roms?
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What are the differences between the two? Why cant I flash the same roms?
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They use different basebands and different boot-loaders i believe.
Different Radios. International doesn't have LTE.
As the above poster said. They have diffrent radio hardware, and they also have a diffrent kernel.
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Sorry to revive a dead thread, but as I've only just moved over from HD2 to One X+, want to be sure I understand the differences and therefore the ramifications of international vs AT&T - what I need clarification on is other than loss of LTE (as both devices do "talk" on the same 2/3G bands), any issue with using international ROM? Has anyone "risked" loading INTL on ATT device?
TIA for info!
Cheers
tmknight said:
Sorry to revive a dead thread, but as I've only just moved over from HD2 to One X+, want to be sure I understand the differences and therefore the ramifications of international vs AT&T - what I need clarification on is other than loss of LTE (as both devices do "talk" on the same 2/3G bands), any issue with using international ROM? Has anyone "risked" loading INTL on ATT device?
TIA for info!
Cheers
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you can load an international rom onto the AT&T device, but the rom WILL BE useless, you won't get wifi, audio, gps, ril\data\gsm you'll get display though
to load an Inter rom onto the AT&T device need's some changes to the rom zip...but all in all it's utterly pointless, besides the source for ANY international rom (not the device tree) can be used 1:1 with the AT&T device, so there's no reason for you guys not to have the same rom's as inter, providing the call routing gets fixed
Thanks Lloir, been playing around with ROM dev (thanks to your TUTO) and, while I have compiled both your git as well as CM endeavoru (compiled but didn't boot), not having much luck with data. At least now for certain I need to stick with AT&T based ROMs.
Cheers!
Besides the obvious model number, what are the differences in hardware and firmware between the two.
They seem identical my cousin has the galaxy note 2 at&t and I have the i605 Verizon gn2 maybe the network receivers are different
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Besides the obvious model number, what are the differences in hardware and firmware between the two.
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A lot...Verizon (and Sprint) uses CDMA frequencies and radios and AT&T (and T-Mobile) uses GSM frequencies and radios
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A lot...Verizon (and Sprint) uses CDMA frequencies and radios and AT&T (and T-Mobile) uses GSM frequencies and radios
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I understand the obvious here but I currently have the verizon 605 and I'm on at&t so it would seem that it can be on any carrier considering the n2 uses a lot of freqs. I'm talking about actual hardware differences. I might need to do some research on my own with this one. But if anyone else can help with this would be appreciated.
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I understand the obvious here but I currently have the verizon 605 and I'm on at&t so it would seem that it can be on any carrier considering the n2 uses a lot of freqs. I'm talking about actual hardware differences. I might need to do some research on my own with this one. But if anyone else can help with this would be appreciated.
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Verizon model doesn't have what it needs to be on AT&T LTE. I believe the way the memory is partitioned is different as well.
Just out of curiosity, why are you wanting to know?
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Verizon model doesn't have what it needs to be on AT&T LTE. I believe the way the memory is partitioned is different as well.
Just out of curiosity, why are you wanting to know?
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I am a hardware guy. I'm also considering finding out how they tick and make my own custom rom to maybe figure this out and streamline a rom that will be custom only to the note 2 regardless of carrier. i mean its out there that the note 2 will work on any carrier regardless of model because I'm on my 605 running an att rom on att carrier.
drarkanex said:
I understand the obvious here but I currently have the verizon 605 and I'm on at&t so it would seem that it can be on any carrier considering the n2 uses a lot of freqs. I'm talking about actual hardware differences. I might need to do some research on my own with this one. But if anyone else can help with this would be appreciated.
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The main differences are the included radios
Verizon: http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=3926
AT&T: http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=3918
Of course firmware will be very different because of interfacing with the radios
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The main differences are the included radios
Verizon: http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=3926
AT&T: http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=3918
Of course firmware will be very different because of interfacing with the radios
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^ Thanks for this.
Thinking out loud here, not sure why Samsung wouldn't be able to have one radio that can handle all those different LTE bands. Perhaps this is intentional based on requests from US carriers?
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^ Thanks for this.
Thinking out loud here, not sure why Samsung wouldn't be able to have one radio that can handle all those different LTE bands. Perhaps this is intentional based on requests from US carriers?
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Yes...that sounds like something they would request to try and keep you tied to their carrier or make you buy one of their phones when moving to them.
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^ Thanks for this.
Thinking out loud here, not sure why Samsung wouldn't be able to have one radio that can handle all those different LTE bands. Perhaps this is intentional based on requests from US carriers?
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Yes...that sounds like something they would request to try and keep you tied to their carrier or make you buy one of their phones when moving to them.
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Hmm I am confused here.. doesn't the Verizon note 2 have both GSM and CDMA capabilities, that why is considered a World phone..
I'm pretty certain the main differences is firmare and not hardware. I'll have to check those links Kenny..
I know of people running t mobile on a Verizon note 2 that have everything working perfectly fine and t mobile is GSM. Pop the Sim in, switch mobile networks to GSM, maybe edit apns for lte..but I don't even thunk that is needed once the GSM Sim is in place. This unlocks the add apn feature under access points
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Hmm I am confused here.. doesn't the Verizon note 2 have both GSM and CDMA capabilities, that why is considered a World phone..
I'm pretty certain the main differences is firmare and not hardware. I'll have to check those links Kenny..
I know of people running t mobile on a Verizon note 2 that have everything working perfectly fine and t mobile is GSM. Pop the Sim in, switch mobile networks to GSM, maybe edit apns for lte..but I don't even thunk that is needed once the GSM Sim is in place. This unlocks the add apn feature under access points
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Yes, look at the specs...it has GSM radio too with some frequencies. And no, you cannot flash AT&T firmware on a Verizon phone and have a perfectly working AT&T phone.
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Yes, look at the specs...it has GSM radio too with some frequencies. And no, you cannot flash AT&T firmware on a Verizon phone and have a perfectly working AT&T phone.
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No I know that.. I am not saying flashing att firmware would work out of the box, so they say.. I am aware of what it takes to port different firmwares
I'm saying using a att or t mobile Sim is possible.. maybe I wondered off the op's topic here..sorry about that
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I am a hardware guy. I'm also considering finding out how they tick and make my
own custom rom to maybe figure this out and streamline a rom that will be custom only to the note 2 regardless of carrier. i mean its out there that the note 2 will work on any carrier regardless of model because I'm on my 605 running an att rom on att carrier.
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This is possible.. but not without a pretty intense aroma installer..you'll need to separate different csc features, apps, frameworks, permissions, libs, build.props and vender folders. .but yea. Would be a pretty big task and knowledge of all the carriers
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I know of people running t mobile on a Verizon note 2 that have everything working perfectly fine and t mobile is GSM. Pop the Sim in, switch mobile networks to GSM, maybe edit apns for lte..but I don't even thunk that is needed once the GSM Sim is in place. This unlocks the add apn feature under access points
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Thank you for this tidbit of info. I'm currently trying to figure a way to get my old VZW Note 2 working on Straight Talk for my Dad, who's currently using a 3" Samsung something-or-other P.O.S. I'm going to get the AT&T version of the Straight Talk SIM and try it out since some have reported success with it. If not that one, then maybe the T-Mobile one.
I'll post back with my results (5-10 business days for delivery--yikes!)
P.S. Anyone else out there have a recommendation for a ROM to use for this? I'm going to go with something 4.1.x because I've read that later versions won't work. Jedi X maybe?
Hey guys, I'm getting ready to upgrade to the AT&T M9, coming from the AT&T One X (Evita, yes from three years ago). Just looking for some clarification/verification of what I "think" I know regarding phone versions and ROM's to support my ORD.
Q1 - With the M9, the international and AT&T versions are the same hardware, so ROM's from the international forum can be flashed to the AT&T version, correct?
(Not the case with the One X since the international phone was a different model).
Q2 - What are the advantages of converting to the Dev edition? If I can bootloader unlock and S-off the AT&T phone, doesn't it essentially achieve the same purpose?
(Maybe I am missing something here... just curious, as there seems to be a lot of interest/discussion on the dev edition for the M9. Normally, I would just bootloader unlock, s-off, and then flash away - want to make sure I am not overlooking some benefit).
Thanks for any input - it was a lot less options being confined to just one forum with the Evita.
Mark
One X (unlocked, s-off)
Currently running KarbonKat 1.2-3
I just got the AT&T One M9. So far its great, my only two complaints are battery life isnt too great, and it heats up pretty fast.
anyway, There really is no difference between the Dev and the ATT one. they both run the same hardware. I achieved unlock through the HTC Dev website, and S-Off through Sunshine. Also, the ATT one can be converted to the international or Dev edition.
Im running Android Revolution HD 5.1 on my ATT M9 perfectly fine rite now much smooth than stock ATT RUU.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/att-one-m9/general/att-developer-edition-ruu-how-to-t3086948
A1. Once you s-off yes you can flash International Roms.
A2. The only two advantages to converting to the Developer Edition is.
1. You will get OTA updates from HTC directly not wait until AT&T decides to send them out. So faster OTA updates
2. No Carrier bloatware apps.
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Thank you, gentlemen!
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A1. Once you s-off yes you can flash International Roms.
A2. The only two advantages to converting to the Developer Edition is.
1. You will get OTA updates from HTC directly not wait until AT&T decides to send them out. So faster OTA updates
2. No Carrier bloatware apps.
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even when rooted, custom recovery, and S-Off?
Quadrider10 said:
I just got the AT&T One M9. So far its great, my only two complaints are battery life isnt too great, and it heats up pretty fast.
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Please describe your battery life experience. Thanks.
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I'm going to Italy and wondering if I can put a Italian prepaid sim in the phone and it will work? Or should I flash to the international version? I have converted to the dev version already.