This is a quick poll to get input on every ones feeling since hearing about Samsung unveiling the Exynos 5 OctaCore Processor at CES. Input your feelings and participate in the poll as to your next move since getting the news.
This thing surely won't fit in a tablet anyway without active cooling, so I don't think N10 owners should be worried.
Edit: I've read an article about it and I see it'll be eight-core because of having a big.little architecture, so it actually sounds pretty cool that way .
Yes (4) A15's for Intense usage and (4) maybe A7's for lightweight task. 28nm in size!
Tech marches on. We wont start seeing this for a while in tablets, and even when we do, so what? We still have one of the fastest CPUs on the market today, and it'll still be quite good by the time the octo-core variants arrive. Cores mean nothing without software to use them, and right now the majority of phones out are dual-core. So its not a big advantage.
I'd still consider this a quad core CPU.
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I'd still consider this a quad core CPU.
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Because it is. Its effectively two CPUs that can be switched dynamically. It might have really good battery life, but performance wise I doubt it'll be significantly better than the one in the N10.
Edit: What's with the N10 hate in the poll options?
Jotokun said:
Because it is. Its effectively two CPUs that can be switched dynamically. It might have really good battery life, but performance wise I doubt it'll be significantly better than the one in the N10.
Edit: What's with the N10 hate in the poll options?
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It would be definitely better than exynos 5250 specially at the Gpu part 4x compute performance of Mali 604 (Gpu of n10) and 10x graphics performance of Mali 400 overall I expect it to perform at least 2x of Mali t 604 and surpass iPad4
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Also with 70% more battery savings than nexus 10
And in the cpu part a quad core A15 what could you want more
At least this looks good on paper
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Because it is. Its effectively two CPUs that can be switched dynamically. It might have really good battery life, but performance wise I doubt it'll be significantly better than the one in the N10.
Edit: What's with the N10 hate in the poll options?
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Sorry didn't realize that I didn't add a "My Nexus is the Best Option". I love my Nexus 10 a lot and I added the only good option as "XDA will iron out its faults" simply because although our tablet is the best Android tablet out there at the moment IMO due to the throttling of our processor I feel may'be they could have ironed out the HEAT issues before releasing the processor for our Tablet. I really hope Google has a huge update coming specifically made for this issue with our Nexus 10. Also once a lot more apps are optimized we'll really see the benefit of having our processor perform as it should.
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It would be definitely better than exynos 5250 specially at the Gpu part 4x compute performance of Mali 604 (Gpu of n10) and 10x graphics performance of Mali 400 overall I expect it to perform at least 2x of Mali t 604 and surpass iPad4
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Also with 70% more battery savings than nexus 10
And in the cpu part a quad core A15 what could you want more
At least this looks good on paper
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Do you have any place that backs that up? Last I read (and I haven't read for a day or two), they didn't really comment on the GPU portion. Not trying to be a ****, I'm honestly curious.
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Do you have any place that backs that up? Last I read (and I haven't read for a day or two), they didn't really comment on the GPU portion. Not trying to be a ****, I'm honestly curious.
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Well search Mali t 658 on Google and go to the first link which should be from anand tech
And Mali t 658 is the Gpu that should be used here as the road maps show that exynos 5 quad would be paired with a Mali t 658 Gpu
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Well ok some new articles show that the octa processor gives 2x(graphical) performance over previous generation exynos ie Mali 400 so it could be a Mali t 604 its unclear right we will have to wait for full details to release, otherwise A15 quad should have had Mali t 658 according to their roadmaps
I honestly wouldn't know what to do with an Android device that had 8 CPU cores... But if I could dual-boot (or replace) with some actual Linux onto such a device, then it might be very interesting
Samsung Exynos 5 Octa
This is the reason why i love tech world these days. Every thing comes so fast. It's like every tablet will only have several months to enjoy its fame before the new ones with much better specs arrive. I think Exynos 5 octa will be in Nexus 10 sequel from Samsung, with Tegra 4 in the Nexus from Asus, with the new Qualcomm chip in the Nexus 4.
Or maybe Google might decide to re-launch its Nexus line up in 2013 that will be armed with the newest chips from NVIDIA, Samsung and Qualcomm with the new brand names, say, Nexus 4S, Nexus 7S and Nexus 10S.
This will be interesting to see. Nexus maniacs will get like every experience that being offered on every Nexus device. No matter what Nexus' sequel you are gonna pick up, they will be great in performance and gaming aspects.
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Well search Mali t 658 on Google and go to the first link which should be from anand tech
And Mali t 658 is the Gpu that should be used here as the road maps show that exynos 5 quad would be paired with a Mali t 658 Gpu
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Well ok some new articles show that the octa processor gives 2x(graphical) performance over previous generation exynos ie Mali 400 so it could be a Mali t 604 its unclear right we will have to wait for full details to release, otherwise A15 quad should have had Mali t 658 according to their roadmaps
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So, found a bit of an update. Apparently the Octa will be powered not by Mali, but by a PowerVR SGX 544MP3 (according to multiple sources, certainly not 100% confirmed as of yet). Apparently, that particular GPU sits between the one used in the A5X and the A6X.
Unfortunate that they didn't use something that would overtake the A6X GPU, but thought it was noteworthy that they're completely changing GPUs.
Source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6654/...a-powered-by-powervr-sgx-544mp3-not-arms-mali
A lot of people don't realize that Samsung has a relationship with Imagination Technologies as do other chip makers, even those who make their own GPUs. Given how thirsty the Mali GPU in the Nexus 10 is, maybe the power vr equivalent will be more battery efficient. I know based on power consumption that the exynos 5250 is not really suitable for cell phone use in its present form.
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At any rate, I think it would be up to Google or Samsung to release a patch or update to fix their thermal algorithm if its not using a true temperature reading. My device never feels hot. That's not saying much if anything at all but from other posts where people actually opened the thing up and tested temps, it is throttling much too soon to be correct. I think they baked the throttling in to increase battery life personally as this chip can burn through the battery fast if it was allowed to run 100% with GPU/CPU .
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I thought the octa core cpus gpu is not confirmed yet?
And it will beat ipad 4 but not the upcoming ipad 5 which would be released around the same time the octa core device
My two cents
Edit: isn't mali from arm?
Apple and ti is related to it...
The powervr gpus u mean?
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tegra 4
This 8 - core does look pretty cool but I think I will be buying a tegra 4 instead.
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This 8 - core does look pretty cool but I think I will be buying a tegra 4 instead.
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Same here as exynos chipsets are never optimised...
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Sv: [Q] Poll: Samsung Unveils Exynos 5 "8core"
Besides it is actually quad core. 8 cores will never be used at the same time. 4 cores with lot of horsepower (and drains battery?) and 4 cores with less power (for battery saving)
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xda_biscuits said:
This 8 - core does look pretty cool but I think I will be buying a tegra 4 instead.
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Same here as exynos chipsets are never optimised...
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U mean tegras are more optimized than exynos?..they suck and fail everytime on mobile devices.. Tegras are way suckier when it comes to mobile platforms..no thankss..
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well I decided to run a benchmark test on this phone and here's the result:
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both the Galaxy S II & Galaxy Nexus ranked higher? hmm.. oh well.
what good are benchmarks anyway right? õ_Ô
benchmarks mean absolutely nothing; i can't stand reviewers who use them to judge and rate the phones.
Sense lowers the score alot too for some reason. My desire gets a 1600-1700 on CM7 but gets a 1400 on Sense at the same clocks speed and voltage.
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Sense lowers the score alot too for some reason. My desire gets a 1600-1700 on CM7 but gets a 1400 on Sense at the same clocks speed and voltage.
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This....
HTC did something with Sense that interferes and harms benches, I am not sure on the specifics, but I do in fact know it affects all Sense based phones. Maybe the ROM has some debugging in it or maybe Sense is just not optimized, which ever it may be it's not a good feature to have. If this phone(or any Sense based) had TouchWiz or Vanilla on it, it would be much faster in benches or just generally.
Yea. Its just sense... Its a heavy UI. On a more vanilla rom I can almost guarantee that it will bench higher than Samsungs. HTCs always do
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Not to mention it looks like you don't have a very good SD card? Class 4?
Class 4 comes with the phone right? He probably hasn't swapped it. Ill stick my class10 in there next week and Ill see how high it gets.
Also, the score will be improved when we can use setcpu to lock it in performance governor mode.
Yea, Class 4 is what comes with pretty much every phone Verizon sells. I haven't seen anything better, but I may be wrong so don't quote me, lol.
The fact that Sense slows down benchmarks doesn't imply the benchmarks are invalid. If they run slowly under Sense, then apps that users typically install may also -- and that's definitely something worthwhile to discover.
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Not to mention it looks like you don't have a very good SD card? Class 4?
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If you look closely the Rezound has faster CPU and RAM. The SD card is killing the scores.
All this is true... That's a dam good benchmark IMO with the phone stock and bloated lol.
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It's interesting to see that the benchmark proves some hardware points. the GPU on the Rezound is superior (as it is on paper), but the cpu suffers since it is still based mostly on older cortex architecture. once the rezound sees an ICS upgrade, it will prove a formiddable opponent, especially since ICS actually takes advantage of said GPU and dual core CPU's.
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they are so close it doesnt even matter....
im sure sense has alot to do with the benches.....im surprice the g nex doesnt score higher.
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It's interesting to see that the benchmark proves some hardware points. the GPU on the Rezound is superior (as it is on paper), but the cpu suffers since it is still based mostly on older cortex architecture. once the rezound sees an ICS upgrade, it will prove a formiddable opponent, especially since ICS actually takes advantage of said GPU and dual core CPU's.
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Tbh even if it is on an older artchitecture it's a possibility this could be a refresh. Even if it is "older" I find that qualcomm cpus always keep up w/ the newer high end processors. Any performance issues has nothing to do with hardware, and this has been an ongoing issue with Android. No true hardware acceleration (ICS will change that hopefully) and heavy manufacterer skins. I'm sure AOSP or a stripped down version of sense and any lag this phone will be gone. ALthough I really haven't experienced any true lag, just UI slowdowns that have been mostly rectified w/ a 3rd party launcher.
the rezound uses a processor from qualcomm's S3 family, which are all based on cortex a8. the nexus/razr cpu's are based on cortex a9 architecture. the rezound will always be behind in that regard. htc knows of this limitation, which is why they've maxed out the rezound's cpu to 1.5GHz, to keep up with the more efficient competition. although, i have heard that the rezound's s3 is a hybrid of a8/a9, so who knows for sure.
where the rezound has potential is in its adreno 220 gpu, which is superior to the nexus/razr's power vr sgx 540. the sgx 540 has been around for far too long and should have been refreshed by now. it's even in my galaxy s phone.
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the rezound uses a processor from qualcomm's S3 family, which are all based on cortex a8. the nexus/razr cpu's are based on cortex a9 architecture. the rezound will always be behind in that regard. htc knows of this limitation, which is why they've maxed out the rezound's cpu to 1.5GHz, to keep up with the more efficient competition. although, i have heard that the rezound's s3 is a hybrid of a8/a9, so who knows for sure.
where the rezound has potential is in its adreno 220 gpu, which is superior to the nexus/razr's power vr sgx 540. the sgx 540 has been around for far too long and should have been refreshed by now. it's even in my galaxy s phone.
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Yeah it is from the s3 family eventhough they should of released the kraits by now . The s3 MSM8660 ranges form 1.2 - 1.5 , I'm assuming the one's in the Rezound are the cherry picked ones, from the center of the wafers. They were going to release the QSD8672 @ 1.5 but that was scrapped for whatever reason. The MSM8960 will be the 1.5 - 1.7 dual core krait w/ the adreno 225 w/ dual channel @ 500mhz opposed to single channel @ 333mz. The MSM8660 keeps up with the 4430 and 4460 imo, I just wonder how much better the s4's the kraits will be compared to the s3. The . Oh well no issues with performance w/ this combo imo.
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the rezound uses a processor from qualcomm's S3 family, which are all based on cortex a8. the nexus/razr cpu's are based on cortex a9 architecture. the rezound will always be behind in that regard. htc knows of this limitation, which is why they've maxed out the rezound's cpu to 1.5GHz, to keep up with the more efficient competition. although, i have heard that the rezound's s3 is a hybrid of a8/a9, so who knows for sure.
where the rezound has potential is in its adreno 220 gpu, which is superior to the nexus/razr's power vr sgx 540. the sgx 540 has been around for far too long and should have been refreshed by now. it's even in my galaxy s phone.
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Yea the s3 is a HIGHLY modified version of the A8. So much much....it can barely be said its using a8.
the cpu isnt maxed out at 1.5....its just how it came from qualcomm its just how the 8660 is made. Im hoping to see stable 2.0 ghz kernels for it....
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Yea the s3 is a HIGHLY modified version of the A8. So much much....it can barely be said its using a8.
the cpu isnt maxed out at 1.5....its just how it came from qualcomm its just how the 8660 is made. Im hoping to see stable 2.0 ghz kernels for it....
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okay, fine. what i meant by maxed out was that qualcomm's upper limit on paper for the 8660 is 1.5GHz. I'm sure people will change that though.
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Adreno 220: 88M triangles/sec, 532M 3D pixels/sec, 1080p video recording and playback up to 30 frames/second. Pretty beast GPU. He is correct that the 86xx series is indeed based off a modified A8 architecture.
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Yeah it is from the s3 family eventhough they should of released the kraits by now . The s3 MSM8660 ranges form 1.2 - 1.5 , I'm assuming the one's in the Rezound are the cherry picked ones, from the center of the wafers. They were going to release the QSD8672 @ 1.5 but that was scrapped for whatever reason. The MSM8960 will be the 1.5 - 1.7 dual core krait w/ the adreno 225 w/ dual channel @ 500mhz opposed to single channel @ 333mz. The MSM8660 keeps up with the 4430 and 4460 imo, I just wonder how much better the s4's the kraits will be compared to the s3. The . Oh well no issues with performance w/ this combo imo.
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Can't wait for the krait.
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Despite both having the same GPU, I have heard that the SGS3 version will be better some how? Higher clock speed?
Can anyone shed some light on this?
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Despite both having the same GPU, I have heard that the SGS3 version will be better some how? Higher clock speed?
Can anyone shed some light on this?
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Also have more cores i believe.
FISKER_Q said:
Also have more cores i believe.
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According to this they both have 4 cores.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exynos
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According to this they both have 4 cores.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exynos
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Hmm, could've sworn there was a discussion about it having more cores when it was announced, my bad then.
As far as I know the GPU will have higher clock frequency. Also both S2 and S3 have the Quad-Core Mali-400MP.
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As far as I know the GPU will have higher clock frequency. Also both S2 and S3 have the Quad-Core Mali-400MP.
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This will largely be the decider on whether I get it or not.
(As I am designing a GPU intensive 3D game).
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This will largely be the decider on whether I get it or not.
(As I am designing a GPU intensive 3D game).
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Well, S2 had the fastest Mobile GPU and now S3 has the fastest one. So if you really want the best GPU go for the S3 but S2 will also work really well.
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Well, S2 had the fastest Mobile GPU and now S3 has the fastest one. So if you really want the best GPU go for the S3 but S2 will also work really well.
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I need some proof though, no one seems to really know for sure, just want to be sure before splashing £500
This seems to explain it:
the main thing is the smaller process node design, the increased memory bandwidth, cleverer memory bandwidth architecture
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Samsung announced that they have switched to high-k materials and metal gates (HKMG) and further claimed it can provide superior performance with less power than conventional poly-Si/SiON used at 45nm. Samsung demonstrated that Exynos 4212 (32nm version) SoC can produce 35% to 50% more horsepower than the older Exynos 4210 (45nm version). So clearly Exynos 4412 quad core wins the “CPU Horsepower” battle.
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While they haven’t officially announced this yet, I believe the GPU is the same one they promised for the dual core 1.5 Ghz Exynos 4212 chip. They said that GPU had a 50% increase in performance over the current one in the Galaxy S2. This improvement is most likely possible because of the jump from 45nm for the dual core Exynos to the 32nm Exynos 4412 (they used the more efficient transistors to increase performance at the same or lower power consumption).
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I had the Note which was dualcore Exynos 1.4ghz and same GPU, but 1280x800, it could handle just about all the games thrown at it, ie. RipTide, Asphalt 6. I only felt Mordern Combat 3 could have higher fps, although very smooth and playable.
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I had the Note which was dualcore Exynos 1.4ghz and same GPU, but 1280x800, it could handle just about all the games thrown at it, ie. RipTide, Asphalt 6. I only felt Mordern Combat 3 could have higher fps, although very smooth and playable.
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With the game I'm working on, just tried it on my phone today (haven't tested in a few months) and I have noticed some lagging with the new faster animations.
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With the game I'm working on, just tried it on my phone today (haven't tested in a few months) and I have noticed some lagging with the new faster animations.
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The thing is that if you are hardly able to run the game on a Mali-400MP then the game would lag like hell even on T2/T3.
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The thing is that if you are hardly able to run the game on a Mali-400MP then the game would lag like hell even on T2/T3.
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T2/T3?
Also I wouldn't say it hardly runs, minimum of 20FPS, lots of optimizations to be done though such as LOD (basically chops poly count down on far away models).
For lower devices...
Dynamic lighting turned off.
Light maps could be baked into the texture
Normal maps removed.
Specular maps removed.
At the moment it's probably the same or exceeds the quality of Shadowgun THD.
Check available benchmarks .)
You should have looked around more for available benchmarks.
This show clarly that the s3 is much faster than the s2:
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You should have looked around more for available benchmarks.
This show clarly that the s3 is much faster than the s2:
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I wanted to know the technical reason, I've already looked at the benchmarks.
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I wanted to know the technical reason, I've already looked at the benchmarks.
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Higher clock, optimised drivers, maybe hardware optimisation
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Higher clock, optimised drivers, maybe hardware optimisation
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People at the HTC sensation forum extracted Adreno 225 Drivers and used it on their Adreno 220 powered phones and they gained a huge performance boost!
as we know Adreno 225 is Adreno 220 with double the frequency (thanks to that new manufacturing process of the CPU also the GPU still using the same process...)
so can't someone extract the new drivers so everyone with Mali 400 GPU can use it?
Because S3's Quad-core GPU frequency is 400MHz. S2 only 275MHz.I am a Chinese grade 9 student andlooking forward to GS III.
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sorry for my bad English. the frequency isthereason that some tablets with realtek rk2918 board(mali400 mp2)'s 3d performance is higher than GS II.because mali400 on rk2918 is400MHz but GS2 only 275MHz.
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Just wonder whether clocking up the GPU might pose heating issues.
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Hi geeks,
checkout this wiki for general information around the new Exynos dual core
http://www.arndaleboard.org/wiki/index.php/Resources
Of course this file might be of special interest...
BTW:
This document is marked as confidential but it's public available.
So Mike, if this is against rules... tell me!
Best regards,
scholbert
Antutu benchmark of Nexus 10
http://www.antutu.com/view.shtml?id=2960
Quite impressive because antutu depends much on the number of cores and clockrate rather than architechture (1.5 Ghz Snapdragon S3 got ~6600 while 1.4 Ghz Exynos 4210 on GNote had only ~6300)
And the NAND flash is pretty good too, 16.6MB/s write and >50 MB/s read (in fact my Note 2 has 200 point in SD card read with the mark >50 MB/s too, but this one is 10% faster)
I would love to see one of those fancy graphics comparing the Nexus10 performance with "the others".
We know that it's better but how much better?
And if you want more specs, here's two other benchmarks:
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If anyone is interested in the Antutu scores across the Nexus 4, 7 and 10 devices I've cut'n'paste them together from the Antutu site linked above...
These results are as recorded by Antutu himself at these links...
Nexus 10 - http://www.antutu.com/view.shtml?id=2960
Nexus 7 - http://www.antutu.com/view.shtml?id=1282
Nexus 4 - http://www.antutu.com/view.shtml?id=2940
The 3D and 2D scores on the Nexus 10 keeps up with the other two devices which seems quite impressive considering the higher resolution.
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If anyone is interested in the Antutu scores across the Nexus 4, 7 and 10 devices I've cut'n'paste them together from the Antutu site linked above...
These results are as recorded by Antutu himself at these links...
Nexus 10 - http://www.antutu.com/view.shtml?id=2960
Nexus 7 - http://www.antutu.com/view.shtml?id=1282
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The 3D and 2D scores on the Nexus 10 keeps up with the other two devices which seems quite impressive considering the higher resolution.
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Odd, why is the CPU on the Nexus 10 slower than the others? I thought that the A15 was supposed to be the fastest thing on the market right now, which would go nicely with the fastest GPU (Mali 604 or whatever it is).
Also, Scumbag Antutu forces the tablet into portrait. I would love it if Google could somehow force apps to run in landscape, apps should never be in portrait on a 16:10 tablet this big unless I deem it so by orienting it in portrait.
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Odd, why is the CPU on the Nexus 10 slower than the others? I thought that the A15 was supposed to be the fastest thing on the market right now, which would go nicely with the fastest GPU (Mali 604 or whatever it is).
Also, Scumbag Antutu forces the tablet into portrait. I would love it if Google could somehow force apps to run in landscape, apps should never be in portrait on a 16:10 tablet this big unless I deem it so by orienting it in portrait.
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Need to keep in mind that the N10 is running at a MUCH larger resolution, that most likely has something to do with it. Had the processor been on the same device as the 4 and 7 you would see a substantial difference.
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Need to keep in mind that the N10 is running at a MUCH larger resolution, that most likely has something to do with it. Had the processor been on the same device as the 4 and 7 you would see a substantial difference.
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But I wouldn't expect the load of that higher res to go to the CPU, just the GPU (so 2D and 3D scores). Does the CPU get involved in video processing in SoCs?
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Does the Nexus label mean that all drivers for this device will be open source? As in, none of the BS that the devs for the i777 are experiencing with Samsung completely unwilling to release specs for the Exynos/Mali combo in that device?
EDIT: Answered my own question. The AOSP site itself tells you to go get the blobs for specific devices if you want to build. So no. Ah well, my concern would be fully functional OS updates, and the Nexus label DOES solve that - at least for a couple of years after release.
These I/O results look promising. A lot better then the transformer prime I had.
While it's nice to see numbers and you should always take them with a grain of salt (for obvious reasons). I for one am just going to wait till I have my Nexus 10 in my hands and see how she flies. I have no doubts that it will run todays apps with no issues and last you easily for a year +. I for one am drooling over the display (esp if non-pentile). Just hope Samsung did something to address the possiblity of pixel fatigue and ghosting/image retention.
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Odd, why is the CPU on the Nexus 10 slower than the others? I thought that the A15 was supposed to be the fastest thing on the market right now, which would go nicely with the fastest GPU (Mali 604 or whatever it is).
Also, Scumbag Antutu forces the tablet into portrait. I would love it if Google could somehow force apps to run in landscape, apps should never be in portrait on a 16:10 tablet this big unless I deem it so by orienting it in portrait.
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Because it's ANTUTU benchmark. As I said in #2, Antutu always prefer number of cores and frequency of cores rather than the architechture.
That's why the Crapdragon S3 1.5 GHz having higher score than 1.4 GHz Exynos 4210 in GNote.
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Because it's ANTUTU benchmark. As I said in #2, Antutu always prefer number of cores and frequency of cores rather than the architechture.
That's why the Crapdragon S3 1.5 GHz having higher score than 1.4 GHz Exynos 4210 in GNote.
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What are you talking about. The snapdragon is a better architecture with less cores. You have it backwards.
Edit: thought you meant snapdragon s4.
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Here are the benchmarks from Anand's review of Chromebook:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6422/samsung-chromebook-xe303-review-testing-arms-cortex-a15/6
I am almost sure that the N10 will be better optimized compared to Chromebook purely because of the resources dedicated for Android. Also shows that Samsung is still Google's preferred partner in terms of hardware.
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While it's nice to see numbers and you should always take them with a grain of salt (for obvious reasons). I for one am just going to wait till I have my Nexus 10 in my hands and see how she flies. I have no doubts that it will run todays apps with no issues and last you easily for a year +. I for one am drooling over the display (esp if non-pentile). Just hope Samsung did something to address the possiblity of pixel fatigue and ghosting/image retention.
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It's not an AMOLED display, it's a Super PLS (LCD), isn't it?
blackhand1001 said:
What are you talking about. The snapdragon is a better architecture with less cores. You have it backwards.
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Do a research man! You can searxh how sh.t crapdragon s3 msm 8660 compared to exynos 4210 in the same galaxy note (US variant vs int variant)
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And if you want more specs, here's two other benchmarks:
SunSpider:
GLBenchmark:
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That sun spider score is bad vs the chrome book must be the resolution which is high for even high end PCs.
The epic screen was always going to eat most of the resources, the question is: whatever benchmark the final (and in future surely improved) SW version produces, is it enough for smooth operation? That answer will most likely be yes. Chromebook shows huge HW potential, but it's also more optimized at this moment, patience my lads.
The hardware has the potential
Hi Guys,
Came across this while researching Exynos 5250. Looks like the hardware is very capable to handle the WQXGA resolution with memory bandwidth and power to spare. This white paper also mentions the support for 1080p 60fps wireless display. So I hope Miracast will be reality as well, just Google needs to step up and utilize the hardware to its full potential. Its an interesting read none the less..
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www_samsung_com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/Exynos/data/ Enjoy_the_Ultimate_WQXGA_Solution_with_Exynos_5_Dual_WP.pdf
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Hi Guys,
Came across this while researching Exynos 5250. Looks like the hardware is very capable to handle the WQXGA resolution with memory bandwidth and power to spare. This white paper also mentions the support for 1080p 60fps wireless display. So I hope Miracast will be reality as well, just Google needs to step up and utilize the hardware to its full potential. Its an interesting read none the less..
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If the link does not work, google exynos 5 dual white paper.
I ran Quadrant and compared the results with those of my old Epic 4g.
Epic 4g Graphics (3d) score is 1666. N10 Graphics (3d) score is 2087. See below.
Epic 4g, rooted, FC09 MTD deodexed, Shadow kernel io/cpu=deadline/ondemand
Nexus 10, not rooted
Hi Guys,
I had a Nexus 10 for like a week but unfortunately it was faulty. Returned it and thought I'd wait a month for "New Stock" then re-purchase !
For the week I had it ... I loved it.....and now cant get any Nexus 10s from the Play Store - I'm just sat here waiting
I came across this article regarding a revised Nexus 10 device !! anyone heard anything else ?
Here's the article:
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/new...let-at-mwc-2013-quad-core2c-gpgpu-inside.aspx
Thought I'd throw it out there!
If the article is true - I'm gona be waiting for the revised version!
Peace Out
I'm not gonna hold my breath for any new Nexus device at MWC. I think the next thing we'll see is the successor to the Nexus 7 at Google I/O in May.
I don't know... I don't read many people complaining about the power of the tegra3 in the Nexus 7, while the article is correct in that pushing this resolution the Nexus 10 is a bit underwhelming on the performance side. I'd see them wanting a top performer 10" to one up the ipad4. They've beat the ipad4 in dpi (not color) if they can boost perf and hopefully adjust color values they'd do quite well.
I just see making these adjustments to a Nexus 10 (2) being more needed than any adjustments on the Nexus 7.
If true, would this solve the issue with missing Miracast?
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I believe all the issues have to do with how little rigidity there is in the chassis. Gg2 is just too thin to stay flat with such a long narrow panel. Its the uneven backlight that makes light bleed and colors so bad. If the device were stiffer and/or had thicker glass I'm sure that the screen would be much better. Almost all the screen issues I believe stem from this.
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To expand on that... The screen is not flat really. I think in their desire to make it light and thin that they didn't anticipate the screen sag. I had my screen replaced by Samsung and the screen was either pressed in too hard or was warped from the start because it had worse bleed than the original. If I were to grip the tablet from the edges and push back as if to snap the device in half, all bleed went away.
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I hope Google won't crap on early adopters like that and just work on optimizing software with the current hardware..... I have no more money to upgrade!
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With the combination of "brightsideofthenews.com" and "according to the people we spoke with" as attribution for the source in the article I'd say this is probably below the scale of a rumor.
As far as user experience goes for me so far, the tablet itself hasn't really slow me down anytime due to speed yet. Playing 1080p has been smooth... I like the 1600p display as that match the native resolution of my desktop monitor so that works really well for remote desktop..
I understand how Google want to take the tech leadership from apple. If that can somehow lead developers to start developing better apps than iOS then that would be so great. So tired of playing seomd fiddle to so many of these apps that have much better iOS over.
As far as the hardware goes, I would glad to pay a little extra if they can include 64 or 128 GB storage. Better yet, a micro sdxc slot would be nice.... Also a 4g over would be good. And if they can ever change the software to allow ad hoc network... I think these are more important than 8 core CPU GPU..
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I believe all the issues have to do with how little rigidity there is in the chassis. Gg2 is just too thin to stay flat with such a long narrow panel. Its the uneven backlight that makes light bleed and colors so bad. If the device were stiffer and/or had thicker glass I'm sure that the screen would be much better. Almost all the screen issues I believe stem from this.
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To expand on that... The screen is not flat really. I think in their desire to make it light and thin that they didn't anticipate the screen sag. I had my screen replaced by Samsung and the screen was either pressed in too hard or was warped from the start because it had worse bleed than the original. If I were to grip the tablet from the edges and push back as if to snap the device in half, all bleed went away.
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It is not nearly as flexible as you make it sound. If this were truly the problem with the display then flexing the device would cause backlight shifts and screen distortions. This, however, is not the case in my experience.
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As far as user experience goes for me so far, the tablet itself hasn't really slow me down anytime due to speed yet. Playing 1080p has been smooth
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same here after some tweaking
its reference quality in playback and smoothness
also the screen is out of this world
i say it already after 1 month of use.
i have never seen a display producing "more" details and sharpness to 1080p blu ray material.
its amost that the N10 knows what color the pixel that is scaled up should have.
Blu Ray source material looks more like 4K on this screen.
why the hell would i change this for a rev2 ?
because NFSMW isnt running at 60fps?..nah..that **** should be played on a PC with a Wheel
also remember
performance improvements can come with updates in the near future.
you could allways tweak settings for specific games to run even better.
Nvidia has done it for a long time.
Google can also do it when they see that only 99% of the games runs at 60fps
my next Tablet upgrade will be when they runs in 120hz at 120FPS
not before.
Just reading through the above, the small use I had of the Nexus 10 was a great experience!
Ive been checking the stock in the UK and it hasn't been replenished...then I read that article....and thought as usual now should I wait (Not that I have any choice right now!)
Maybe instead of concentrating on the N10 v2 - they should maybe concentrate on getting the current version back in stock and their accessories in order for all their products !!
And to re-itterate the screen was super dope !!
Could the low stock indicate that they are working on a rev 2?
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Performance wise this tablet is a milestone in the android world.... Dafuq i just read?!
Here is another place running the story. Sounds like copy/paste `journalism' to me.
http://nvonews.com/2013/01/21/new-g...imus-g2-ascend-w2expected-for-mwc-2013-specs/
More Powerful Google Nexus 10: It has been quite recently that we received the large 10-inch Nexus tablet from Google. The device, made by Samsung, has an amazing 2560 x 1600 display. This high resolution is highly praised as it beats both iPad 3 and iPad 4. But, the device lacks a powerful processor. Samsung used its Exynos 5 chipset inside a dual core Cortex-A15 CPU and a Mali T604-Class graphical processor.
Many customers find the device underpowered, because of its dual core CPU and less competent graphical processor. As per rumors, Google is likely to produce a quad core version for the device. Along with the CPU upgrade, the tablet will have an 8-core T628 graphical processor. The projected tablet will have a fresh Android version and the same 2GB RAM.
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Could the low stock indicate that they are working on a rev 2?
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I don't think so, but it would be great, this would lower their costs about RMA's since so many people returned their tablets.
Garbage
I doubt they will update it until a year after the first one came out, other then to add a simcard.
Incremental upgrade.....cool
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I'm sure Google is touting around a bunch of tablet prototypes and these guys might have even seen one but I doubt it will be a Revision 2 of the same product. It will probably be the followup model and we'll see it in about a year from now which is fine and expected. The only thing that makes this somewhat plausible is that Google is the worst company in the world at keeping secrets. Or they are the most genius speculation generating company in existence.
I can't see moving off the N10 (personally) in a year.. The mobile markets technology advancement is moving at a disgusting rate though. I love bleeding edge technology and such but they need to slow it down a notch.
You guys certainly are an emotional lot.
First, Exynos 5 Dual is more than capable of running a 10" tablet. It's a more modern architecture than Exynos 4 Quad with more memory bandwidth. It's on par with S4 Pro which is the other new-gen SoC being heavily used right now.
Samsung's Exynos 5 Dual integrates two ARM Cortex A15 cores running at up to 1.7GHz with a shared 1MB L2 cache. The A15 is a 3-issue, Out of Order ARMv7 architecture with advanced SIMDv2 support. The memory interface side of the A15 should be much improved compared to the A9 [Exynos 4]. The wider front end, beefed up internal data structures and higher clock speed will all contribute to a significant performance improvement over Cortex A9 based designs. It's even likely that we'll see A15 give Krait a run for its money, although Qualcomm is expected to introduce another revision of the Krait architecture sometime next year to improve IPC and overall performance. The A15 is also found in TI's OMAP 5. It will likely be used in NVIDIA's forthcoming Wayne SoC, as well as the Apple SoC driving the next iPad in 2013.
Mali 604 is a huge leap above anything Samsung's created before. And if there's a quad-core version of Exynos 5 it'll use the exact same Mali GPU just as the dual and quad-core versions of S4 Pro share the same GPU.
Samsung's fondness of ARM designed GPU cores continues with the Exynos 5 Dual. The ARM Mali-T604 makes its debut in the Exynos 5 Dual in quad-core form. Mali-T604 is ARM's first unified shader architecture GPU, which should help it deliver more balanced performance regardless of workload (the current Mali-400 falls short in the latest polygon heavy workloads thanks to its unbalanced pixel/vertex shader count). Each core has been improved (there are now two ALU pipes per core vs. one in the Mali-400) and core clocks should be much higher thanks to Samsung's 32nm LP process. Add in gobs of memory bandwidth and you've got a recipe for a pretty powerful GPU. Depending on clock speeds I would expect peak performance north of the PowerVR SGX 543MP2 [iPad 3], although I'm not sure if we'll see performance greater than the 543MP4 [iPad 4].http://www.anandtech.com/show/6148/samsung-announces-a15malit604-based-exynos-5-dual
So there's no rush to get a Rev2 of N10 out as the performance increase from Exynos Dual to Quad wouldn't be that dramatic and the GPU would be exactly the same. The h/w for the N10 is mostly provided by Samsung and the components are all latest generation. The display has an enormous amount of pixels but if your read the article the h/w is more than capable of supporting it. So any issues with performance will hopefully be addressed with s/w updates vs. the need for an emergency h/w update.
Do people still think that these random reboots are the hardware problem of N10? It is 4.2 problem. If you have 4.2 in Nexus 4 and Nexus 7, they all get these random reboots. I just think that people just return/replace their devices without doing any reading.
Version 2? It looks like it'd have better chipset but I don't know where does it stop. It's like Samsung developing Octa chipset. I just think that we need any more power than Snapdragon S4 Dual. That already had plenty of power and now we are holding Exynos 5 Dual A15 based. It's like with your desktop computer, you could have i7 6-core 12-thread 37XXk CPU. You bought it for $600 but you are probably never going to use all its power for years to come.
Planning to return my N10 cause the stuttering on it is driving me insane and im really interested in the Tablet Z currently.
1920x1080 on an 1.5GHz Qualcomm APQ8064 with adreno 320GPU VS 2560x1600 nexus 10 with an exynos 5 and a mali t604 GPU clocked at 1.7 GHZ.
Fasty12 said:
Planning to return my N10 cause the stuttering on it is driving me insane and im really interested in the Tablet Z currently.
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The S4 is halfway between the Cortex A9 cores and the new Cortex A15 core that we have. So it is decent enough of a CPU. I am not sure how good of a GPU that is. None of my devices the past couple years have had Adreno GPU's At least it wont have to work as hard with the lower resolution
Fasty12 said:
Planning to return my N10 cause the stuttering on it is driving me insane and im really interested in the Tablet Z currently.
1920x1080 on an 1.5GHz Qualcomm APQ8064 with adreno 320GPU VS 2560x1600 nexus 10 with an exynos 5 and a mali t604 GPU clocked at 1.7 GHZ.
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What stuttering are you talking about?
Draw your own conclusions.
S4 Pro - http://www.anandtech.com/show/6112/...agon-s4-apq8064adreno-320-performance-preview
Exynos 5 - http://www.anandtech.com/show/6148/samsung-announces-a15malit604-based-exynos-5-dual
From everything I've seen and experienced the exynos 5 is the better of the two. The a15 is a more powerful core than the krait core, that with the higher clock speeds and the better GPU makes for a better chip. Personally I have never had my n10 lag at all. Maybe you just got a dud?
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From everything I've seen and experienced the exynos 5 is the better of the two. The a15 is a more powerful core than the krait core, that with the higher clock speeds and the better GPU makes for a better chip. Personally I have never had my n10 lag at all. Maybe you just got a dud?
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But the Exynos 5 has to run that massive screen res. Also, the reason I think that Qualcomm modified the core was because of the power consumption. Stock A-15 core consumes quite a lot of power.
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Fasty12 said:
Planning to return my N10 cause the stuttering on it is driving me insane and im really interested in the Tablet Z currently.
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Every now and then I read ppl complaining about lags and stutters... I have not experienced one since I have the device; can you please explain what you are doing when this happens?
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Every now and then I read ppl complaining about lags and stutters... I have not experienced one since I have the device; can you please explain what you are doing when this happens?
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Try opening and closing google maps after the map has been loaded there is a NOTICEABLE frame rate drop compare to other apps.
kaspar737 said:
But the Exynos 5 has to run that massive screen res. Also, the reason I think that Qualcomm modified the core was because of the power consumption. Stock A-15 core consumes quite a lot of power.
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The Snapdragon S4 does not use an A15 core or any derivative of an A15. Qualcomm has ALWAYS completely designed their cores custom and has almost nothing to do with the current major core from ARM's reference design. Additionally, the S4 was designed and released before the A15 MP-Core was even finished with its design phase.
The Krait core uses a similar (but not the same) triple wide decode stage like the A15 core, but it uses a completely different 11 stage execution pipeline compared to the A15's 15 stage pipeline. The higher stages of the pipeline allow the A15 design to break things down smaller and achieve higher frequency, but if there were to be a failure in computing then the A15 must wait a longer time before it can start over where the Krait core doesnt have to wait as long, but also isnt as efficient in " normal" circumstances. Honestly the integer performance between the two cores is pretty close, but I think I remember seeing that the A15 has a lot stronger floating point performance. So I guess it really depends on your workload.
FYI, the Exynos 5, Tegra 4, and TI OMAP 5 processors are all based on the A15 core design. Qualcomm is the only major player who does not base their processors on the ARM design
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Try opening and closing google maps after the map has been loaded there is a NOTICEABLE frame rate drop compare to other apps.
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Do you mean a drop in framerate during the animation when closing Maps? I notice a minor framerate drop which lasts as long as the animation does, but if that is it, I'm kinda wondering why you bought an android device in first place... I have not noticed this before and I cannot imagine anyone would using the device for its intended purposes. If you take any android device, you will find a fps drop at some point... Maybe return it and take an iPad? iPads do not have the issue, on the other hand there's a lot that iPads do not have ^^
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But the Exynos 5 has to run that massive screen res. Also, the reason I think that Qualcomm modified the core was because of the power consumption. Stock A-15 core consumes quite a lot of power.
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Exynos has higher memory bandwidth so the difference isn't substantial.
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EniGmA1987 said:
The Snapdragon S4 does not use an A15 core or any derivative of an A15. Qualcomm has ALWAYS completely designed their cores custom and has almost nothing to do with the current major core from ARM's reference design. Additionally, the S4 was designed and released before the A15 MP-Core was even finished with its design phase.
The Krait core uses a similar (but not the same) triple wide decode stage like the A15 core, but it uses a completely different 11 stage execution pipeline compared to the A15's 15 stage pipeline. The higher stages of the pipeline allow the A15 design to break things down smaller and achieve higher frequency, but if there were to be a failure in computing then the A15 must wait a longer time before it can start over where the Krait core doesnt have to wait as long, but also isnt as efficient in " normal" circumstances. Honestly the integer performance between the two cores is pretty close, but I think I remember seeing that the A15 has a lot stronger floating point performance. So I guess it really depends on your workload.
FYI, the Exynos 5, Tegra 4, and TI OMAP 5 processors are all based on the A15 core design. Qualcomm is the only major player who does not base their processors on the ARM design
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THANK YOU!! my god I've had to explain this so many times! Qualcomm licenses ONLY the armv7 instructions and not arms designs. They design their own chips from the ground up and GPU, so please people stop saying Qualcomm is a cortex series processor because it isn't. Samsung and the rest license arms design and modify it, in Samsungs case they tend to increase the IPC slightly and give it more memory bandwidth.
Also to answer the question, exynos 5 will do better at higher resolutions and they will be very close in lower resolutions. S4 will be better in multi thread workloads more then likely and exynos will have better float performance. Exynos is better for games once the thermal throttling is fixed.
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Exynos has higher memory bandwidth so the difference isn't substantial.
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THANK YOU!! my god I've had to explain this so many times! Qualcomm licenses ONLY the armv7 instructions and not arms designs. They design their own chips from the ground up and GPU, so please people stop saying Qualcomm is a cortex series processor because it isn't. Samsung and the rest license arms design and modify it, in Samsungs case they tend to increase the IPC slightly and give it more memory bandwidth.
Also to answer the question, exynos 5 will do better at higher resolutions and they will be very close in lower resolutions. S4 will be better in multi thread workloads more then likely and exynos will have better float performance. Exynos is better for games once the thermal throttling is fixed.
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The 50 percent extra memory bandwith doesn't matter so much considered that the Exynos has to move almost twice the amount of pixels.
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The 50 percent extra memory bandwith doesn't matter so much considered that the Exynos has to move almost twice the amount of pixels.
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Memory bandwidth makes a pretty big difference when it comes too resolutions. I.E 8600gt ddr2 vs ddr3. Wider memory bus and faster memory makes a big difference in higher res performance of any GPU
Also will help with GPU compute performance for future apps utilizing the Mali t604s compute abilities
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ECOTOX said:
Memory bandwidth makes a pretty big difference when it comes too resolutions. I.E 8600gt ddr2 vs ddr3. Wider memory bus and faster memory makes a big difference in higher res performance of any GPU
Also will help with GPU compute performance for future apps utilizing the Mali t604s compute abilities
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But lets say that Exynos uses the whole 12.8 gb/s bandwith. That means that to move twice as less pixels you would need 6.4 gb/s so memory bandwidth isn't an issue.
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But lets say that Exynos uses the whole 12.8 gb/s bandwith. That means that to move twice as less pixels you would need 6.4 gb/s so memory bandwidth isn't an issue.
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But that bandwidth is shared, unlike on dedicated GPU where it isn't. The total system bandwidth (not including buses for modem or w.e others are there) on the exynos chip being higher is gonna give it the edge in any situation considering the closeness in performance between the two. It also can't be denied that the Mali t604 has a edge in horse power over adreno 320 because even at the n10s resolution it comes within a couple fps of adreno at 1080p resolution. Not saying it's a big difference, but the exynos is the more powerful all around chip and that's just in is dual core form.
Edit: Also its a known fact that Adreno has crap fill rate compared too Mali or Power VR, Adrenos Strength is Geometry performace so it takes more of a hit the higher the resolution than Either the Mali t604 or the SGX 554MP4 which both have higher Fillrate and the SoC we have to compare both have higher bandwidth to facilitate that so we dont get bottle necked.
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Finally a lot of exerts here about GPU
, I know it is not related to topic but me and my girlfriend have Galaxy Note 2 and S3. As you all know they are the last ones to use the elder Mali-400 GPU. I love playing games and I am getting my girlfriend used to them too. So I was wondering how is our Mali400 GPU holding up against the new coming 1080p Adreno 320 devices? It is clear the future is 1080p. I am either planning to switch our devices with a couple of Nexus 4s or Xperia Zs. Because I fear our devices are about to be outdated with the next game right around the corner. So far they are doing just fine with Modern Combat 4 and the all other graphic intensive games by playing over 28-30 FPS. But according to the GLBenchmark 2.5Egypt they are useless against new Adreno 320. However I have read that most of the games were designed for high fill rate power and Mali 400 is able to beat Adreno 320. But on the triangle tests, it just bottlenecks.
So what is your opinion about it? I will our devices do another year and half for the new games? Or should I make the trade? Or should I just buy a Nexus 10 with 2 users assigned and continue games on it? I
Thank you for reading.
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_delice_doluca_ said:
Finally a lot of exerts here about GPU
, I know it is not related to topic but me and my girlfriend have Galaxy Note 2 and S3. As you all know they are the last ones to use the elder Mali-400 GPU. I love playing games and I am getting my girlfriend used to them too. So I was wondering how is our Mali400 GPU holding up against the new coming 1080p Adreno 320 devices? It is clear the future is 1080p. I am either planning to switch our devices with a couple of Nexus 4s or Xperia Zs. Because I fear our devices are about to be outdated with the next game right around the corner. So far they are doing just fine with Modern Combat 4 and the all other graphic intensive games by playing over 28-30 FPS. But according to the GLBenchmark 2.5Egypt they are useless against new Adreno 320. However I have read that most of the games were designed for high fill rate power and Mali 400 is able to beat Adreno 320. But on the triangle tests, it just bottlenecks.
So what is your opinion about it? I will our devices do another year and half for the new games? Or should I make the trade? Or should I just buy a Nexus 10 with 2 users assigned and continue games on it? I
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They will hold on, my SGS2 runs all of the current games at the highest settings ( I haven't tried GTA though) without any issues, the Adreno 320 is far better than the Mali 400 MP4 though
Ya, Im pretty sure they will still play games a year from now. Until the market is completely saturated with devices like the Nexus 10 in power we wont really see large jumps in system requirements. That will probably only happen a year or two from now once all the new phones and tablets are made with A15 processors (or Qualcomm equivalent) and beefy GPUs.
Fidelator said:
They will hold on, my SGS2 runs all of the current games at the highest settings ( I haven't tried GTA though) without any issues, the Adreno 320 is far better than the Mali 400 MP4 though
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The S2(Mali400) plays GTA3 without a hiccup.
The exynos dual is very power hungry compared to the s4pro but it is also the most powerful arm processor out today. Nothing else yet released (I said RELEASED) is as powerful or can match its bandwidth. Having said that I'm sure a normal resolution 1080p screen in this form factor with the s4pro would be a nice fast tablet. Right now the exynos dual is pretty much the only thing outside apple that can push the resolution that the n10 has. I think if they had put another gig of ddr3 in this thing there wouldn't be so much stuttering in certain instances. Besides the thermal cutoff the n10 is starved for memory as it has to share normal duties and its ram with the graphical load of pushing all the pixels of this monster resolution. You are lucky to have 300mb of ram available at idle on the n10 vs over a gig available with the s4pro on the 720p screen of the nexus 4
Sent from my often RMA'd Nexus 4, So that I can use the one I'm using now when I get the 6th and hopefully final one.