Hey all,
As some of you have probably noticed by now, we have a new Development section for original works. As explained in the portal article Introducing the Original Development Forums, these forums were found to be very useful in other sections and there has been a lot of requests to add them for more devices.
Please refer to the article for general guidelines on what is and isn't appropriate to post there, and if you have any questions feel free to ask in this thread or to PM any of the moderators about it.
Those using Tapatalk or the XDA app will probably need to refresh the forums list in order to see it. You can do this by going to the base forum view that list all of the different devices and refreshing or by unsubscribing and then resubscribing to this section.
Thank you for addressing our request
Who would I need to bring a list of those original development threads that still remain in the Android Development forum that need to transfer here?
-Neo
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The following fall under the guidelines of First for the device/official/or heavily modified original kernel work:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1911297
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2074906
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1659210
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2071043
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2079282
It may take some time to sort through everything, but the best way to let us know is to PM one of us.
edit: Unless I'm missing something the MIUI and AOKP threads aren't even GPL compliant?
xHausx said:
It may take some time to sort through everything, but the best way to let us know is to PM one of us.
edit: Unless I'm missing something the MIUI and AOKP threads aren't even GPL compliant?
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lol
Busted!
Added to my signature thanks.
he didnt know where to put it. give him a break
I have moved a large amount of threads over to the Original Dev section. This mainly consisted of cm10/cm9/aokp/kernel threads that were source built. Please PM me or any other mod if you think your thread should be moved as well.
gotta say. you mods rock. thank you for everything you do.
I almost had a heart attack because I couldn't find my CyanogenMod mega threads!
Thought I was going to be banned or something.
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Hey all,
As some of you have probably noticed by now, we have a new Development section for original works. As explained in the portal article Introducing the Original Development Forums, these forums were found to be very useful in other sections and there has been a lot of requests to add them for more devices.
Please refer to the article for general guidelines on what is and isn't appropriate to post there, and if you have any questions feel free to ask in this thread or to PM any of the moderators about it.
Those using Tapatalk or the XDA app will probably need to refresh the forums list in order to see it. You can do this by going to the base forum view that list all of the different devices and refreshing or by unsubscribing and then resubscribing to this section.
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Ok, this explains a lot. I thought I was going nuts for a sec.
i wish we had a poll asking if we wanted this, iv always been agianst separating dev section, for the same thing, this just alienated and confuses the users.
I tend to agree with siul.
Do you know how much extra work is to have three main folders to check under each device? General / Development (read ROMS that are cool but came from another device) / and Original Development (ROMS that are still based on others work but have been tweaked/setup somewhat uniquely.)
Honest to God, those were my reactions. So I know where siul is coming from...how is MIUI in a different thread than AOKP? If you add a few apps that look different and don't ship with AOKP, is that suddenly original?
Again, not trying to start drama but just my two cents.
EDIT: Just read the whole justification for this. I get it, but still think it's another layer of stuff to sort through.
Bad idea change thing back to the old ways Please
This is bad Mostly for the user who are new i seen the other forum that are like this, not a good i idea doing this plus the developer hate going to one forum to the other just to set thing straight
cflo360 said:
This is bad Mostly for the user who are new i seen the other forum that are like this, not a good i idea doing this plus the developer hate going to one forum to the other just to set thing straight
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i am confused too. It may look more obvious and understandable for devs only...
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torr310 said:
i am confused too. It may look more obvious and understandable for devs only...
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Not really. I am not sure how my CM threads fall into original development.
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Not really. I am not sure how my CM threads fall into original development.
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Because all are built from source by the person posting them and not a rom modified from someone else's. It falls under the original development guidelines that are posted in the op of this thread.
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IAmTheOneTheyCallNeo said:
Because all are built from source by the person posting them and not a rom modified from someone else's. It falls under the original development guidelines that are posted in the op of this thread.
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Oh. I see original as something new and completely different.
Whatever.
IAmTheOneTheyCallNeo said:
Because all are built from source by the person posting them and not a rom modified from someone else's. It falls under the original development guidelines that are posted in the op of this thread.
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I don't see how this works then, because none of my roms are based on someone else's work. and if what you say was true, then all aosp roms compiled from chad's git should be placed on the general dev section instead of the "original dev section" since everyone's aosp rom is based on his work(compiling it docent make it your work). And please understand im just trying to make a point here, no trying to be an ass or anything. i just hate the idea of roms being divided by 2 different dev sections. its just prone to confusion.
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I don't see how this works then, because none of my roms are based on someone else's work. and if what you say was true, then all aosp roms compiled from chad's git should be placed on the general dev section instead of the "original dev section" since everyone's aosp rom is based on his work(compiling it docent make it your work). And please understand im just trying to make a point here, no trying to be an ass or anything. i just hate the idea of roms being divided by 2 different dev sections. its just prone to confusion.
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That's what I think. All of the AOSP ROMs built from Chad's git are not original unless chad himself released a ROM.
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I think this new thread splt is to confusing. Now I have to check two places. Please revert to back
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siulmagic said:
I don't see how this works then, because none of my roms are based on someone else's work. and if what you say was true, then all aosp roms compiled from chad's git should be placed on the general dev section instead of the "original dev section" since everyone's aosp rom is based on his work(compiling it docent make it your work). And please understand im just trying to make a point here, no trying to be an ass or anything. i just hate the idea of roms being divided by 2 different dev sections. its just prone to confusion.
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I don't take your response to that effect in any way and no intent to malice received.
"The following are most likely not “Original Development”, and should be posted in the “Android Development” subforum:
Your own “unofficial” stock build of your favourite original, source-built (or otherwise) ROM, particularly where an official or maintainer-endorsed thread exists already."
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This plainly states that the self compiled roms belong on the Android Development forum so I side with you in that aspect. However, there is no official or maintainer version of CyanogenMod roms or AOKP thread available so unless Chad uploads his build in this forum as he rightfully could, these builds (from what I understand) can and should be posted here.
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Related
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_mobile_uffda&num=1
Now I know you're going to call me paranoid....but I have been seeing a progressive shortening of battery life on my device as we progressively move into more advanced custom kernels created by our lovely devs
Anyone care to discuss?
** it has been pointed out to me we are still not this far along in kernels...still an interesting read
Should be in general not development
i only put it here because in "general" this would more directly impact "development", target audience and all.....i suppose they can move if they like, but just so you know, i did ponder that for a minute..
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i only put it here because in "general" this would more directly impact "development", target audience and all.....i suppose they can move if they like, but just so you know, i did ponder that for a minute..
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You know there's no "they". Only mod can move it.
You've just been Fascinated
they refers to the collective known as "the mods"
what the hell is going on around here anyways with the obsession with "posts being in the wrong place"....and by that i dont mean any disrespect, but thats why you have mods, to move to errant thread or two, why is it lately the only thing people want to respond with is, "you should have posted this in ______ section" instead of actually responding to the thread topic....????
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they refers to the collective known as "the mods"
what the hell is going on around here anyways with the obsession with "posts being in the wrong place"....and by that i dont mean any disrespect, but thats why you have mods, to move to errant thread or two, why is it lately the only thing people want to respond with is, "you should have posted this in ______ section" instead of actually responding to the thread topic....????
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honestly if its not a rom/mod release or a legitimate development discussion like "how to build kernels or roms" or something it doesnt belong here..that is all
this isnt to flame at all...and our mod said only the first person to post should say "wrong section" if someone had posted before me i wouldnt have posted it
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honestly if its not a rom/mod release or a legitimate development discussion like "how to build kernels or roms" or something it doesnt belong here..that is all
this isnt to flame at all...and our mod said only the first person to post should say "wrong section" if someone had posted before me i wouldnt have posted it
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I personally think if its a development related discussion it belongs here. Not to say this post has any direct relation to "current development" There doesn't have to be a zip or a side load or a script to be a development related post.
Maybe our development sections (for all devices) should have restricted access to post unless the mods deem the memeber a developer. Read/write and read only type scenario. :-/
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A lot of people seem to care because as we mostly come to this forum to check the latest in rom and kernel development. With so much happening right now with updates coming here is like reading the news headlines. This post where it is, is well more like spam. Also because the battery life issue has been discussed many many times across the board and solutions given have worked for most. also need [] containing the tag of the thread.
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I personally think if its a development related discussion it belongs here. Not to say this post has any direct relation to "current development" There doesn't have to be a zip or a side load or a script to be a development related post.
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fair enough...threads like this without specific aims toward developing/improving our phone just clutter this subforum that frankly the vast majority of poeple come to for roms/kernels/mods..
if this is a linux/android specific discussion then the general android development forum or something...because i dont think this relates to anything that will specifically do anything for our phones
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fair enough...threads like this without specific aims toward developing/improving our phone just clutter this subforum that frankly the vast majority of poeple come to for roms/kernels/mods..
if this is a linux/android specific discussion then the general android development forum or something...because i dont think this relates to anything that will specifically do anything for our phones
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True android general development would probably be more suited... but it is an interesting article and lends some evidence toward my 5 hour tbolt life lol.
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sunder74 said:
True android general development would probably be more suited... but it is an interesting article and lends some evidence toward my 5 hour tbolt life lol.
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I don't own a tbolt but seems to be a lot of talk on the 4g not playing to nice. Think it was acting like wifi when it couldn't get a good 4g connection, trying, failing, reverting to 3g, then repeating. Again don't have one so just repeating what others have said, i'm sure theres lots on the sit in the tbolt forum. Whatever the exact issue is, its most likely centered on the lte radio.
Nice article. Relates directly to the biggest issue of all android devices. Good performance = bad battery. This helps clarify that. KEEP IN ANDROID [email protected]!
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A lot of people seem to care because as we mostly come to this forum to check the latest in rom and kernel development. With so much happening right now with updates coming here is like reading the news headlines. This post where it is, is well more like spam. Also because the battery life issue has been discussed many many times across the board and solutions given have worked for most. also need [] containing the tag of the thread.
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Maybe there needs to be a separate section for "Releases" then if this article honestly really ruined you visit like Spam. Where do people discuss development issues if not in the development section? This section like you pointed out is where everyone comes to get the latest rom or kernel. Seems to me that warrants its own Release section.....oh wait....that's why the mods asked those types of threads to be titled specifically in a format that makes that obvious. Then the discussion threads could co-exist in the same section without being considered "Spam"
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Another good thread ruined by backseat moderators.
Good article.
tonu42 said:
Nice article. Relates directly to the biggest issue of all android devices. Good performance = bad battery. This helps clarify that. KEEP IN ANDROID [email protected]!
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I still fail to see where *anything* is being developed :/
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Syn Ack said:
Another good thread ruined by backseat moderators.
Good article.
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Lol. I was just reading all the responses and thought...wow, they're really talking about the thread being moved for this long.
i dont need a signature
It is a good article and it is development related. Just because its not a rom, kernel zip, script, apk or system dump doesn't disqualify it from the development forum.
(Though android general may have been a better option as stated previously.)
Spend as much time policing your own actions as you do trolling threads like a lynch mob and maybe things will get to the way they used to be on this site.
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Maybe there needs to be a separate section for "Releases" then if this article honestly really ruined you visit like Spam. Where do people discuss development issues if not in the development section? This section like you pointed out is where everyone comes to get the latest rom or kernel. Seems to me that warrants its own Release section.....oh wait....that's why the mods asked those types of threads to be titled specifically in a format that makes that obvious. Then the discussion threads could co-exist in the same section without being considered "Spam"
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Lol I actually like the thought of kernels, roms, mods, odins, radios, and such having there own place. Like keeping up with the latest works here, for other news clips and links I look elsewhere.
Oh, I'm sorry if you think I implied this ruined the forum. Just felt it detracted from it
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sunder74 said:
It is a good article and it is development related. Just because its not a rom, kernel zip, script, apk or system dump doesn't disqualify it from the development forum.
(Though android general may have been a better option as stated previously.)
Spend as much time policing your own actions as you do trolling threads like a lynch mob and maybe things will get to the way they used to be on this site.
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yeah if there was a "development discussion" section that would be best....as if all the articles available out that could be posted like this to foster discussion ended up in here.......well it would really clutter stuff up
my own personal opinion (and its not worth anything) is that the development section is best served as a release...and discussion of said release...section...i mean thats what 95% of us treat it as...and have been accustomed to having it as such
Been working on a build of CM7 - got my laptop back up and running and thought I'd tackle this. Last night I started the build and woke up this morning to this:
make: *** No rule to make target `vendor/samsung/c1-common/proprietary/BCM4330B1_002.001.003.0128.0162.hcd', needed by `out/target/product/galaxys2att/system/bin/BCM4330B1_002.001.003.0128.0162.hcd'. Stop.
Any idea how to get passed this? From the looks of it, I was close to the end of the build process
Thanks I appreciate any help...
Sort of got this resolved. Codeworkx simply stated its an issue of missing proprietary files. Ill have to copy them over which I'm not sure why they weren't in the first place...
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Thread moved to General since there is no Dev work being made here... yet. If you happen to fix your issue and want to make a rom, then start a new thread in the Dev section with a link pointing to the rom.
Thank you and have a nice day.
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Thread moved to General since there is no Dev work being made here... yet. If you happen to fix your issue and want to make a rom, then start a new thread in the Dev section with a link pointing to the rom.
Thank you and have a nice day.
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Debugging a compiler error isn't development? Perhaps the so called development forums are becoming too focused on showing off wares, with little or no attention being paid to actually developing?
At first he was asking a question about decompiling. Since he answered his own questions, I threw it in General. Since he is not offering a rom/kernel/tool then this does not belong in the Dev section.
Thanks I guess.
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Sounds like a developer question to me... perhaps the development forum should be renamed to Roms or something
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blahze9 said:
Sounds like a developer question to me... perhaps the development forum should be renamed to Roms or something
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Read the sticky in the Dev forum...
blahze9 said:
Sounds like a developer question to me... perhaps the development forum should be renamed to Roms or something
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Exactly, it is a question so it would belong in the Q/A sections not the development section. This stuff isn't new, read the forum rules. Quite simple to understand if you ask me.
The way I see it, its just red's opinion. He sees it fit in here then so be it, his opinion and we just have to live with it. Regardless its still all search able information.
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The way I see it, its just red's opinion. He sees it fit in here then so be it, his opinion and we just have to live with it. Regardless its still all search able information.
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Actually, it is not his opinion, it is xda rules. The only posts in the development boards, are posts discussing actual development. If the post is a question, it has no business being on the development board. Examples of acceptable dev topics:
Release of a new/updated rom
Release of a new/updated kernel
Release of a new/updated hardware specific patch
Release of a new/updated hardware specific app
*Technical * discussion of ongoing hardware /software development (rooting, bootloader, etc). Asking when root wil be available is not technical.
If your title for a post is in the form of a basic question, it does not belong in development, period.
I have to play devils advocate... but with the understanding that I'm doing just that and not really arguing...
I posed a similar question to Red in a PM. If I have a question asking how I can Retro fit Samsung propriatary shared libs into a new program I'm writing, or where I might find headers for those libs, where does that question go? Its certainly technical and development related... it also doesn't seem to fit in the q&a subforum (which doesn't seem to have any dev questions but is more general.)
Yet, its a question, and doesn't belong in the "development" subforum under a strict interpretation of the rules (which seems to say that the dev forum is only used to advertise mods, roms, etc)
Red suggested the q&a subforum. I disagree, but he is a moderator.
Not being sarcastic here, but perhaps we really do need new subforums for posting links to the result of development and allow the development subforums to go back to discussing that and other development. (Or vice versa) long ago when I first joined xda, discussing development was encouraged (and the primary purpose of xda-DEVELOPERS.)
Take Care
Gary
garyd9 said:
I have to play devils advocate... but with the understanding that I'm doing just that and not really arguing...
I posed a similar question to Red in a PM. If I have a question asking how I can Retro fit Samsung propriatary shared libs into a new program I'm writing, or where I might find headers for those libs, where does that question go? Its certainly technical and development related... it also doesn't seem to fit in the q&a subforum (which doesn't seem to have any dev questions but is more general.)
Yet, its a question, and doesn't belong in the "development" subforum under a strict interpretation of the rules (which seems to say that the dev forum is only used to advertise mods, roms, etc)
Red suggested the q&a subforum. I disagree, but he is a moderator.
Not being sarcastic here, but perhaps we really do need new subforums for posting links to the result of development and allow the development subforums to go back to discussing that and other development. (Or vice versa) long ago when I first joined xda, discussing development was encouraged (and the primary purpose of xda-DEVELOPERS.)
Take Care
Gary
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I understand how you feel and would love it myself but at this point and time with the influx of Soo many non tech minded people that don't know the diff Between a normal question and a development related question that all questions are pointed to the Q&A.
!Please read this before posting in the Rezound development section!
I know this has been stated a thousand times before, but the mass number of posts in in the development section that are not development is getting out of hand.
THE DEVELOPMENT SECTION IS FOR DEVELOPMENT ONLY. If you are posting something that others may use regarding development such as a new ROM, kernel, guide, mod, recovery, or tool, it will be posted there. If in doubt, just post in the general section. Our moderator will move the post if it should be in the development section. Please do not post questions/concerns in the Android Development section.
THE Q&A SECTION IS FOR YOUR QUESTIONS REGARDING DEVELOPMENT. If you are going to post a question about development, it goes in the Q&A section. If you have a question about accessories or themes/apps, post your question there if you like. If you have a question regarding a particular part of development such as a current ROM or kernel, you can post in that particular thread to see if you can get some help. So if you are using Ziggy's kernel, you could ask a question in that thread. DO NOT POST A NEW THREAD FOR A QUESTION IN THE DEVELOPMENT SECTION.
THE GENERAL SECTION IS FOR EVERYTHING THAT DOES NOT FIT INTO THE OTHER CATEGORIES. If you have anything else that you would like to talk about that is not a question, accessory, theme/app, or method of development, you will want to post it in General. If you post a question in General (even though it should go in the new Q&A Section), you probably won't get yelled at. You will, though, if you post in the Development Section when you should not.
Please try to keep the development section clear and clean for the developers who will be giving us amazing ROMs and kernels to play with on our newly rooted/unlocked phones. This will make it much easier for us to find them in the future.
The funny thing is that this thread should actually go in development... And be stickied
I was going to post something similar, but it looks as though I don't need to
dmeadows013 said:
The funny thing is that this thread should actually go in development... And be stickied
I was going to post something similar, but it looks as though I don't need to
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Ha, I know it should. But that would be kind of hypocritical. If a mod wants to, they can move it. As long as people read it and don't post in the dev section, I'll be happy
I feel like xda sub forums are lacking in some extra boards. Questions and guides need to be added to all the sub forums.
Sleek69 said:
I feel like xda sub forums are lacking in some extra boards. Questions and guides need to be added to all the sub forums.
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Yes, some extra boards would be nice. This will have to do for now, though.
I quit posting in peoples threads and just report all of them. I am sick of telling people so I just click report every time. No one will learn man. This thread will be burried too. I PM'ed the MODS to get a possible warning thread before allowing to post in Development. Haven't heard anything back.
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I feel like xda sub forums are lacking in some extra boards. Questions and guides need to be added to all the sub forums.
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Do you know how much more there would be to moderate if they gave EVERY device extra subforums? I think they tend to do a pretty good job of adding a q&a(or whatever is needed) section when it becomes necessary due to a device becoming more popular. I'm betting the rezound will be getting one now that its unlocked and development has taken off.
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As is stated, do not post your questions in development forum. Before you start a new thread ask yourself this: "is what I'm posting a rom or a kernel?" or "is this a guide for development?"
If it is none of those, then post it in another forum.
Thanks..
Dude, finally! Thank you!
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Stuck
As is stated, do not post your questions in development forum. Before you start a new thread ask yourself this: "is what I'm posting a rom or a kernel?" or "is this a guide for development?"
If it is none of those, then post it in another forum.
Thanks..
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I feel like xda sub forums are lacking in some extra boards. Questions and guides need to be added to all the sub forums.
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Yes we need a Q/A thread like the Evo 3D has. Then people can ask questions about development and devs can share knowledge. It would be a really good thing to have. Sorta surprised that this forum lacks a Q/A sub forum.
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Stuck
As is stated, do not post your questions in development forum. Before you start a new thread ask yourself this: "is what I'm posting a rom or a kernel?" or "is this a guide for development?"
If it is none of those, then post it in another forum.
Thanks..
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How about flashable mods like my status bar mod and lllboredlll power menu mod?
Its technically development although not a ROM or kernel but does not really fit in the themes and apps forum.
scrosler said:
Yes we need a Q/A thread like the Evo 3D has. Then people can ask questions about development and devs can share knowledge. It would be a really good thing to have. Sorta surprised that this forum lacks a Q/A sub forum.
How about flashable mods like my status bar mod and lllboredlll power menu mod?
Its technically development although not a ROM or kernel but does not really fit in the themes and apps forum.
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Main post edited to reflect mods and recoveries.
BUMP Because no one seems to read this and they should. It would help. We need to keep the dev section clear.
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BUMP Because no one seems to read this and they should. It would help. We need to keep the dev section clear.
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Go Lightning!
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Go Lightning!
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Bump for the new Q&A Section (woohoo!).
And hell yes! Another BOLTS fan!!
Bump
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bump............
Good thread. Thank you for this. The more people that come to the Rezound forum, the more chaotic the threads become. I'm new to Rezound, but I promise to post in the proper section. Always a good reminder!
By the way - GO RAYS!!
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Good thread. Thank you for this. The more people that come to the Rezound forum, the more chaotic the threads become. I'm new to Rezound, but I promise to post in the proper section. Always a good reminder!
By the way - GO RAYS!!
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welcome to the party, Breathe
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There seems to be confusion about posting ROMs in General or Developers section. I just reported a post and fjasked that a "stock" ROM be moved from the Dev section to the General section because recently another Stock ROM was in fact moved with the reason that all stock ROMs belong in General. The response to my report was "this is a tough call I ll move it but it could stay in dev". So, that is a very non-committal answer from a mod. In addition, this post, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1184817, is an example of previous guidance on the subject. It clearly states that the Dev section is "only meant for very advanced technical discussion directly related to ROM development activity and the delivery of actual ROMs and ROM components ONLY". I would agree with this guidance. Can we stop differentiating between stock and no-stock ROMs and place ALL ROMs in the Dev section, as stated in the above guidance? Thank you for you work and time. XDA is a great place. I am not whining or complaining. I am merely asking for clarification of this issue so we can move on.
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um, your "question" for clarification belongs in the Q section. Not General.
Also, reading the Dev section I think it is pretty clear that it is for rom development only.
Stock roms aren't development...in this case it's a link to a leaked rom. that's it...doesn't belong in development.
So, if the Mod moved it to General it was done correctly.
andrawer said:
um, your "question" for clarification belongs in the Q section. Not General.
Also, reading the Dev section I think it is pretty clear that it is for rom development only.
Stock roms aren't development...in this case it's a link to a leaked rom. that's it...doesn't belong in development.
So, if the Mod moved it to General it was done correctly.
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I been on here for some time across at least 6 phones, and I've never heard of such or seen this done.
It should be like how normal 90% of XDA works!
ROM/Kernels in Dev no matter if its stock or custom! That's it no argument! I had only three phone couple of tablets but whatever forum i went to. THis is the theory they followed! Very simple idk what's big deal about it! IDK why this ppl don't like that!
andrawer said:
um, your "question" for clarification belongs in the Q section. Not General.
Also, reading the Dev section I think it is pretty clear that it is for rom development only.
Stock roms aren't development...in this case it's a link to a leaked rom. that's it...doesn't belong in development.
So, if the Mod moved it to General it was done correctly.
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Your first sentence made me lol. You're right but I thought maybe since it was asking about the General then it could go in the General. Maybe it will be moved. Whatever.
Your second point is the crux of my question. If you read the guidance that I referenced it does not discriminate against stock ROMs. All ROMs are development, as are all kernels and other code. Code can be developed, whether it is stock code or other. Or at least that what I think.
I am anxious to see what the Moderators have to say. They have been very quiet on this issue.
esincho said:
I been on here for some time across at least 6 phones, and I've never heard of such or seen this done.
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I agree with you, I've been here a while , thru a span of of six devices forums myself also(htc excalibur-tmo dash/htc tilt-kaiser/htc fuze-raphael/the first android OG "htc dream-Tmobile G1"/htc leo/hd2) and now here and all roms have always been in the rom development section, even stock roms that serve as base for custom roms are part of development .
I have been frequenting this site since my PPC6600 and all ROMs official or otherwise have been in a development section of some type. That goes back 5 + years (a very long time in tech years)
I don't know if that means anything to anyone, but us old guys don't like change =P.
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Yes that's what i m saying! We get used to it! Plus its the only one place to look for stock or custom! no need to poop all over the place! Common sense!
21productionz said:
I have been frequenting this site since my PPC6600 and all ROMs official or otherwise have been in a development section of some type. That goes back 5 + years (a very long time in tech years)
I don't know if that means anything to anyone, but us old guys don't like change =P.
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well guess i'll add my 2 cents too
ive been on XDA since Celluar One....., and all roms of any sort have always been in the development section that ive seen...
From ***Development Only Here - All Others Will Be Locked/Deleted!*** stickied at the top of the Development forum.
This forum is for posting Development projects only - ROMs, Kernels, Mods (but not Themes, there's a separate forum for them), not stock ROMs (they belong in General). Anything else will be moved or locked. Do not ask questions here, do not post requests here, they belong in General.
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Stock ROMs belong in General according to the rules. Not sure if they are enforced or not though.
I dunno why they changed the rule. Is it specific for AT&T Galaxy Note or in general? Because at least Captivate/i9000/i9100 section have 'stock ROM list' sticky on development section.
MrJoran said:
From ***Development Only Here - All Others Will Be Locked/Deleted!*** stickied at the top of the Development forum.
Stock ROMs belong in General according to the rules. Not sure if they are enforced or not though.
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Madness.....
Even a mod agrees with us! We need to change this and put back all the stock stuff in dev section!
wardfan220 said:
Stock or not a rom is developed at some point, I've always kept them in the dev section If someone is looking for a stock rom to load, they're going to check the dev area first not general, imo. Not saying you're wrong, just my thought.
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Well according to those rules questions belong in general. Obviously it needs to be updated.
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MrJoran said:
From ***Development Only Here - All Others Will Be Locked/Deleted!*** stickied at the top of the Development forum.
Stock ROMs belong in General according to the rules. Not sure if they are enforced or not though.
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But is a "leaked" Rom to be considered stock? Phones don't ship with them....
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Leaked ROMs are still not something you made thus you aren't developing them, thus why would the go in development? I understand why people would want to put them there, but according to the rules, its not where they belong.
I really can't stand this! IF you really want to get this changed plz comment and let me know! Because i just don't like how this is going!
appdroid said:
I really can't stand this! IF you really want to get this changed plz comment and let me know! Because i just don't like how this is going!
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Lol, my vote would ba a mod (or eager poster) should compile one sticky of all stock and leaked roms into one sticky which can be posted at the top of the development section.
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ACTUALLY
ACTUALLY, this post doesn't belong in Q&A...
It belongs in the MAIN GENERAL section... I'm just saying...
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but yeah, the idea is stupid. they should change the rules...
Lol, who the hell cares? Just post it in one of the two and if a mod feels like moving it, let him. Personally I think any rom of any type should all go in one section so they're easy to find... but I'm not gonna cry about it if the mod wants it in general.
Hey all,
As some of you have probably noticed by now, we have a new Development section for original works. As explained in the portal article Introducing the Original Development Forums, these forums were found to be very useful in other sections and there has been a lot of requests to add them for more devices.
Please refer to the article for general guidelines on what is and isn't appropriate to post there, and if you have any questions feel free to ask in this thread or to PM any of the moderators about it.
Those using Tapatalk or the XDA app will probably need to refresh the forums list in order to see it. You can do this by going to the base forum view that list all of the different devices and refreshing or by unsubscribing and then resubscribing to this section.
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Hey all,
As some of you have probably noticed by now, we have a new Development section for original works. As explained in the portal article Introducing the Original Development Forums, these forums were found to be very useful in other sections and there has been a lot of requests to add them for more devices.
Please refer to the article for general guidelines on what is and isn't appropriate to post there, and if you have any questions feel free to ask in this thread or to PM any of the moderators about it.
Those using Tapatalk or the XDA app will probably need to refresh the forums list in order to see it. You can do this by going to the base forum view that list all of the different devices and refreshing from there.
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Very cool idea
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I haven't seen this before, but can understand why most would want this. Should make it much easier to find a specific thread. Especially for new comers. Very cool.
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I think this is neat, since I'm only really interested in the original development anyway, because that tends to be more fun.
Very nice. This will be extremely useful for devs.
edit: Hey Haus. Just an idea, but it would be nice to have a Recognized Dev forum with-in each device. One where we can collaborate and figure out mods together and have less chatter from non-devs. But a place where non-devs can still have access to links to mods and such. Just a thought.
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The way I see it is that it creates more place to navigate through to look for roms and other work. I personally do not see the real need for it especially since both sub forums would contain the same kind of information except that one would have original work and the other would not. This could have been done a different way without completely creating a new sub forum that would produce a similar result. For example, the OP post could explain that it's original work or the thread title for all original work would be identified with a prefix of ORG.
At any rate, it seems that others see it useful and probably very helpful for developers. I am not bothered by it! However, I would have preferred things to stay the way they were.
I'm just a little confused as to what defines original development versus non-original. Original meaning not ported from another device? As I browsed through the ROMs in each section I couldn't figure out what differentiated one from the other making it original.
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dsEVOlve said:
I'm just a little confused as to what defines original development versus non-original. Original meaning not ported from another device? As I browsed through the ROMs in each section I couldn't figure out what differentiated one from the other making it original.
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The announcement really details the difference.
For example, CM9 development is original because it's new and big and it's something that's being created.
ViperROM, for example, is not original because it is based on HTCs stock ROM.
SoraX64 said:
The announcement really details the difference.
For example, CM9 development is original because it's new and big and it's something that's being created.
ViperROM, for example, is not original because it is based on HTCs stock ROM.
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Well that is what I thought would be the factor at first. Except ViperROM and others based on stock are in the original section while other stock based ROMs are not.
Edit: I re-read the announcement and maybe the difference is more apparent to other devs and not so much to the layperson but still sounds kinda subjective. Doesn't make much difference to me, just curious.
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So....might be a n00b comment and I'm completely blind but I do not see the original development forum on the xda app.
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dsEVOlve said:
Well that is what I thought would be the factor at first. Except ViperROM and others based on stock are in the original section while other stock based ROMs are not.
Edit: I re-read the announcement and maybe the difference is more apparent to other devs and not so much to the layperson but still sounds kinda subjective. Doesn't make much difference to me, just curious.
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My apologies, when I checked the original section earlier it was nearly empty and only really had CM9. Looks like they moved a lot more over there.
Leoisright said:
Very nice. This will be extremely useful for devs.
edit: Hey Haus. Just an idea, but it would be nice to have a Recognized Dev forum with-in each device. One where we can collaborate and figure out mods together and have less chatter from non-devs. But a place where non-devs can still have access to links to mods and such. Just a thought.
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There are a lot of times where someone with a low post count is able to help out a lot so we don't want to limit it too much, but making it so only RDs (and maybe RCs/RTs) can create new threads there may be a good idea. Try running it by them in the RD area to see if it's possible.
dsEVOlve said:
Well that is what I thought would be the factor at first. Except ViperROM and others based on stock are in the original section while other stock based ROMs are not.
Edit: I re-read the announcement and maybe the difference is more apparent to other devs and not so much to the layperson but still sounds kinda subjective. Doesn't make much difference to me, just curious.
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Unfortunately a lot of it is kind of subjective since it's a difficult thing to really define, but for the most part it depends on how significant the changes with the ROM are. It's very much a work in progress still so I apologize if things get bounced around some while it's all being sorted.
Hmm, I'm not sure I like this but it will prolly grow on me.
Issue I have now tho is not being able to see this forum in the xda app..someone else mentioned it as well.
Rippley05 said:
Hmm, I'm not sure I like this but it will prolly grow on me.
Issue I have now tho is not being able to see this forum in the xda app..someone else mentioned it as well.
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As has already been mentioned, all you have to do is un-favorite the forum and then go back through the list and favorite it again.
xHausx, I like your work and appreciate all the explanations you give but I gotta say.. this new section is retarded.
Maybe it was needed in the Samsung forums but we don't need it here. It's just going to confuse a ton of people.
I'm not a dev, so if they like the idea that's great. I just see it as a way for more silly arguments to start. I think that development is development the smallest of ideas is original. Seems like if you're in original then your work is somehow better. I guess we'll see how it works out.
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I think the most annoying part of this feature is having to look in two different places for the same thing and being unsure which forum your favorite rom(s) are located in. The more I use this (both on a desktop and on the phone), the more annoying it is. I don't think the average user care much whether the rom is original or not as long as it works well and do what it is supposed to do.
The idea behind adding this feature is great but its reality is not.
I was excited about the section but it all seems the same as before. Every mod, derivative rom, and other FAQs.
I think it probably would have best been split AOSP core and HTC core if you're going to split it at all, otherwise just leave it the way it was, as messy as it was.
Im not a fan of it either. I find it hard to differentiate between the two. I've read the announcement but I still find myself going into both looking for a specific thread. I think this will just confuse a lot of people but if the devs like it then ok...
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I'm a moderator, and I make roms and mods and themes, some of that is "original". I've written some tutorials for original things as well. Honestly I think this is silly. Maybe tag original dev threads or something like the "recognized" program. But differentiating dev threads seems like a lot more headache for devs and users alike. It's like making a new original themes section where the themer drew his images from scratch and wrote new xmls instead of modifying existing images and code. Who's idea was this? I fail to see it's benefit. If it is what it is then cool. But there's already RUU kitchen built roms in the "original" section, and though there may be "original" tweaks to said roms, I don't know that that makes them so. I'd love to have some transparent open discussion about this with users/devs/moderators alike. Thoughts? Counters? Etc?