So, I picked up the samsung smart dock to play emulators, games, etc. but I'm getting some pretty bad lag.
Its not choppy, just delayed from what I see on the TV.
I've tried enabling game mode on my TV so the post processing is disabled, and I've tried just using a plain LCD monitor but the lag is still there.
Recently, I switched to the beans rom and that helped the lag a lot, but, its not quite gone.
I noticed that in this forum: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1712902 a kernel dev was able to change the refresh rate to get rid of the lag.
Do any of you know of any other ways to get rid of the lag or should I wait to see if a dev here incorporates something similar?
If an dev here can't fix it, then its impossible lol.
Ok OP I have the official MHL adapter on it's way to my house as we speak, hopefully it gets here in the beginning of next week so I can test and confirm what the problem is.
The post you linked to describes a refresh rate issue, which is not the same as lag. What's happening for that guy is his screen output is being capped at 24 fps which is horrible for gaming/interaction.
Once I get mine hooked up and tested on my monitor I will be able to confirm exactly what the phone is outputting and from there we can see what needs to be fixed.
I thought so, but, wanted to be sure.
Thanks for taking a look at the issue, any help is appreciated!
What I've experienced, is that on stock, lag was terrible, close to 500ms.
On CleanROM 4.0.5, it wasn't much better.
On Beans it was much better, closer to 100-200ms.
I haven't tested with my S3 yet, but I suspect there may be similar lag since the hardware is similar.
Are you sure it is not the TV? I'm not familiar with MHL but maybe it is a defective dock.
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It's not the TV, verified with various other inputs, Xbox and PC on HDMI. I also verified the galaxy with a separate LCD with no post processing abilities using the official Samsung MHL adapter.
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Evening my good sir, did your mhl adapter come in?
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Got same problem screen on tv a bit delay.. im using smartdock on wanamlite rom 3.5. Browse all over the forum and google no clue found
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Okay so I've seen plenty of videos on YouTube of the SGS2 playing N64 flawlessly on their bigscreen TVs with PhoneJoy and an MHL adapter, so I figured our EVO 3Ds should be able to handle it too... but so far that hasn't been the case for me.
Has anyone come up with a working configuration to get emulation to work without like 10frameskips?! I've tried multiple ROMs, kernels, overclocking, all sorts of different emulators... I can't even get simple SNES games to work well enough to be standable let alone N64. Tried all of yongzhs emulators but those are too outdated and don't work smoothly. Best experience I've had was with SuperGNES because its not a port it is android native, still have to give it about 4frameskips though which is much too choppy. Looking to get about 1-2 max. Any thoughts and ideas are most appreciated!
If u don't mind could u tell me what kind of games u want to emulate like n64 or perhaps gameboy games
But Well u can try gameboid for that games. it works pretty fine for me O(∩_∩)O
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Okay so I've seen plenty of videos on YouTube of the SGS2 playing N64 flawlessly on their bigscreen TVs with PhoneJoy and an MHL adapter, so I figured our EVO 3Ds should be able to handle it too... but so far that hasn't been the case for me.
Has anyone come up with a working configuration to get emulation to work without like 10frameskips?! I've tried multiple ROMs, kernels, overclocking, all sorts of different emulators... I can't even get simple SNES games to work well enough to be standable let alone N64. Tried all of yongzhs emulators but those are too outdated and don't work smoothly. Best experience I've had was with SuperGNES because its not a port it is android native, still have to give it about 4frameskips though which is much too choppy. Looking to get about 1-2 max. Any thoughts and ideas are most appreciated!
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I dont know if it a Sense related problem or something, but any 1080p video lthat I play using MHL on a big screen is to much choppy and fps are too low....while the same videos works fine without MHL.
I really hope all this is resolved when ICS and sense 3.6 or 4.0 OTAs are released...
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I dont know if it a Sense related problem or something, but any 1080p video lthat I play using MHL on a big screen is to much choppy and fps are too low....while the same videos works fine without MHL.
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thats because most mhl adapters can only push 24hz making it look choppy. cannot say if the oem htc or samsung adapters are any better however i have heard that both image, sound and framerate are better.
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thats because most mhl adapters can only push 24hz making it look choppy. cannot say if the oem htc or samsung adapters are any better however i have heard that both image, sound and framerate are better.
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I use samsungs MHL adapter for the 3D , it cannot play 1080p videos at optimal framerate.
This is exactly why they should have just stuck with a dedicated HDMI port... Not to mention USB host is pointless with a TV because the port is taken up for the video-out.
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thats because most mhl adapters can only push 24hz making it look choppy. cannot say if the oem htc or samsung adapters are any better however i have heard that both image, sound and framerate are better.
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my kernel is pusing 1080p @ 120hz (so 3d works on the your hdmi big screen) - verified working by both gsm and cdma users.
*per my personal experience and that of users posted their feedback on my threads
issue: it only works for some, not others
not sure if its a cable issue or a phone/hardware limitation that only applies to some phones
i personally am using a samsung cable - its the only cable that works w/ my phone @ 120hz
I will try your Anthrax kernel to see if it makes a difference for me. I was on test06 last week but I decided I couldn't deal with my camera preview and landscape gallery not working. Do you have a newer kernel up now that i can go grab?
test is the latest - and hdmi/mhl on most 2.17 based roms is borked ... due to the gpu issues im working on (same issue that affects landscape video and camera preview - all related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om_zs5RdVT4&list=UU-eLUftcfe0H15rPAIR3DOA&index=1&feature=plcp
Over the next few days I'll really be testing this guy out. If there's anything specific you'd like to see/hear, let me know!
I saw a post yesterday of the NQ opening a game and possibly other apps through checking debug mode in the options. Can u post a video of this?
I detailed a bit of my own experience here:
https://plus.google.com/b/113517319477420052449/113517319477420052449/posts/hBf6hGoT5Ac
How is sound quality? That will help me a lot in making my decision to jump for one. And do you think that something like this will have a long life span hardware wise?
Also, the big issue for me is the lack of NAS playback or a file explore... we know the guts can handle 1080p playback, but making it happen is a different question
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Anybody grab a system dump?
Can you pull the Bootanimation. Would look sweet on our phones with some editing.
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Can you control the audio outputs? I would like to have a set of speakers hooked up to the Q using the banana plugs and then hook an hdmi cable from the Q to the TV. I want to be able to control whether the sound comes out of the amp or through the HDMI.
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Running foxhound 1.3, using galaxsih kernel, just popped my MHL cable in my TV.
Anyway needless to say its very cool. However its got a slight delay in input, making gaming a pain in the ass.
I'm using an official MHL cable, powering it with an official power pack and my tv is a beast, all post processing on the TV has been disabled and game mode has been activated, meaning that it should run as good as it can.
I think I've done as much as I can to bring the delay down to a minimum, but its still very noticeable , gaming is not very good because there is a noticeable delay, so anything that requires quick reactions is a no no.
Does anyone have any input about this? It would be superb to get this working well, its cost a few quid to buy all high grade components to set this up, its a shame that its fell at the last hurdle.
Any help would be great
Thanks.
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Know that feel, bro.
I also bought the official samsung mhl adapter for s3 (int. edition). And guess what, this adapter gives out a signal of 1080p30Hertz
For real, wtf, is this, only 15 frames per second, videos are not really watchable, games not enjoyable, extreme lag on games, something that shouldnt be, but it is there.
I asked sammy bout that, they said I should send my phone to the service center cause it could be broken (hahaha -.-'') Or my adapter is maybe a faulty unit. I dont know. I have to test it with other s3s. Maybe the adapter doesnt work properly cause my phone is flashed (with system marked as changed and not official state, so I cant update via OTA).
I have to take some time this weekend to check it out, cause it would be really awesome, to play on my FHD tv nfs most wanted.
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Know that feel, bro.
I also bought the official samsung mhl adapter for s3 (int. edition). And guess what, this adapter gives out a signal of 1080p30Hertz
For real, wtf, is this, only 15 frames per second, videos are not really watchable, games not enjoyable, extreme lag on games, something that shouldnt be, but it is there.
I asked sammy bout that, they said I should send my phone to the service center cause it could be broken (hahaha -.-'') Or my adapter is maybe a faulty unit. I dont know. I have to test it with other s3s. Maybe the adapter doesnt work properly cause my phone is flashed (with system marked as changed and not official state, so I cant update via OTA).
I have to take some time this weekend to check it out, cause it would be really awesome, to play on my FHD tv nfs most wanted.
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Dont be sending it back just yet, i've got several s3's in work and i'll be trying them out today, i've attempted it on my two tv's (both Tv's switched to game mode for fastest response time) A Panasonic viera 3DTV, and an LG 3DTV, both top of the line. My HD cables are gold plated high grade 2 metre cables, the MHL is also Official.
I don't believe it's the handset at all.
I think it's just a crap job done at mirroring.
I honestly don't want 1080p, i just wanted 720p, i wanted it to mirror whats on the handset pixel for pixel.
It doesn't need to render it twice, just mirror the one set ffs.
Samsung are terrible for this, there is about half a second lag on my TV, playing tekken was sh** and lagged, on the s3 it was rapid.
Does anyone else have any input on this?
Tried i don't know how many TV's and all have similar results.
Surely it can compete with the like of apple when it comes to getting your device on TV
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Does anyone else have any input on this?
Tried i don't know how many TV's and all have similar results.
Surely it can compete with the like of apple when it comes to getting your device on TV
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Are you try using another Rom? just to test it is the MHL or the Rom?
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Are you try using another Rom? just to test it is the MHL or the Rom?
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I've tried it with omega and its the same. I also tested with different TVs, 5 in total and different cables too. 3 in total. And two different HDMI cables.
Maybe its just bad luck. I'll attempt it with another ROM.
Have you used the MHL cable yourself? What results did you have ? I'm aiming at gaming more than anything.
Cheers.
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I've just received a MHL adapter, it's not the Samsung official one though.
I don't have any noticeable input lag but I can see it's always running at 30fps.
That's easy to notice while playing emulators (Sonic on megadrive/genesis ).
I tested it on my Samsung 1080p TV, it gives a 1080p output at 30Hz which I think is the maximum possible with this MHL technology atm.
So, I thought "let's try this on the 720p TV I've got downstairs, maybe it will run at 60FPS".
And... no, still 30FPS at 720p.
I was wondering if it was a cheap MHL fault and if the Samsung official one would run faster, what do you guys think? you always have 30fps as well?
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I've just received a MHL adapter, it's not the Samsung official one though.
I don't have any noticeable input lag but I can see it's always running at 30fps.
That's easy to notice while playing emulators (Sonic on megadrive/genesis ).
I tested it on my Samsung 1080p TV, it gives a 1080p output at 30Hz which I think is the maximum possible with this MHL technology atm.
So, I thought "let's try this on the 720p TV I've got downstairs, maybe it will run at 60FPS".
And... no, still 30FPS at 720p.
I was wondering if it was a cheap MHL fault and if the Samsung official one would run faster, what do you guys think? you always have 30fps as well?
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Not sure what mine runs at, all I know is that it cost £27 and its nowhere near as good as the iphone one, which pisses me off as I can't stand it when apple has something over android.
That aside, I think the s3 and this mhl technology should work well, but as far as I can see, besides simple browsing and movies, gaming isn't all that good. Infact unless your playing solitaire or pool or something, its not possible. Was playing real racing and although it looks amazing, the delay is just so noticable.
Tekken 3 on epsxe was unplayable and it lagged.
Haven't tried it since the 4.1.2 update but I can't see it moving ahead a lot. Will test it again and see how I go.
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Can we change the resolution to 720p? I'm stuck at 1080i
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Can we change the resolution to 720p? I'm stuck at 1080i
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I'm stuck at 1080p at 30hz, don't have the option to alter it on my TV, would be nice to be able to have 720 with 60hz.
Thanks for the answer.
Everyone seem to have this problem, 30Hz max while it's technically possible to do [email protected]
I saw someone made a modification at kernel level on the HTC One S to force 60Hz. I asked him how he did but didn't get any answer yet.
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Thanks for the answer.
Everyone seem to have this problem, 30Hz max while it's technically possible to do [email protected]
I saw someone made a modification at kernel level on the HTC One S to force 60Hz. I asked him how he did but didn't get any answer yet.
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Nice, update us!!
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Thanks for the answer.
Everyone seem to have this problem, 30Hz max while it's technically possible to do [email protected]
I saw someone made a modification at kernel level on the HTC One S to force 60Hz. I asked him how he did but didn't get any answer yet.
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Would be good to know how as the delay and lag is a killer.
Great for movies crap for games.
I found his github with the commit but the files are not similar to what we have on I9300.
I've now found that my 0anason8c Vieira runs the mhl cable at 1080i at 60hz. It is smoother. But still not perfect.
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Tatsuya79 said:
I've just received a MHL adapter, it's not the Samsung official one though.
I don't have any noticeable input lag but I can see it's always running at 30fps.
That's easy to notice while playing emulators (Sonic on megadrive/genesis ).
I tested it on my Samsung 1080p TV, it gives a 1080p output at 30Hz which I think is the maximum possible with this MHL technology atm.
So, I thought "let's try this on the 720p TV I've got downstairs, maybe it will run at 60FPS".
And... no, still 30FPS at 720p.
I was wondering if it was a cheap MHL fault and if the Samsung official one would run faster, what do you guys think? you always have 30fps as well?
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Hello
Got a Galaxy note 2, stock ROM JB 4.1.2, with samsung official GS3/GN2 11pin adapter. I have the same problem with the official smartdock and the Juice Defender 5 in 1 MHL Connection Kit.
I have the same problem described by the OP: Output seems to be 1080p.
But about an half second lag that just make games impossible to play on a TV. And that is also easy to see when I open app on the home screen.
Do you really confirm you have no delay ?
If yes I would be really interested in having the ref of your adapter.
30fps or 720p would be just fine for me if I at least I got no delay.
Note: And in addition, I can see with emulators such as N64oid the rendering is much better on my phone screen than on my TV (that's blured and pixelated), what is not the case in other apps (homescreen, video player, ...).
UPDATE 06/05/2017:
The delay was caused by a setting on my TV.
I noticed the same delay when I connected the TV to my PC. After having enabled the PC mode on the TV, the delay disappeared.
I have not rechecked with the phone and the MHL adapter, but I am now pretty sure the delay should be solved now.
Sorry for this false alarm.
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Do you really confirm you have no delay ?
If yes I would be really interested in having the ref of your adapter.
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Hi, I checked my cable and where I bought it but it's hard to answer.
There is just "HDTV adapter" written on it and no reference at all.
The shop I bought it from has a different adapter on the picture now, so I think they send whatever they have atm.
The price is higher too...
Sorry can't really help here.
I also suspect different TV can have more or less input lag with an MHL connected (and they already have different input lag natively btw).
Bad technology...
Thanks for your answer anyway.
In fact that cannot come from the TV, since my TV (like almost all) is not MHL enabled, meaning there are only regular MHL inputs.
Of course there is a small delay on all TVs, but there is a really big difference between the phone and the PC, if I connect it on the same HDMI input.
So the delay could only come from the MHL to HDMI bridge or to the phone itself.
stock kernel may help fix the mhl delay.i use stock rom with kernel and stock launcher. i do not have mhl issues. also nova launcher may cause mhl to not work
OK, but actually I use a GN2 stock ROM JB 4.1.2. Are you in JB 4.2 ? Or maybe there is difference between S3 and GN2...
Hello!
I've stop using my Atrix since about 3 months ago, so I'm no longer in the game.
Any suggestions to what ROM should be used if one wanted to use XBMC only?
The phone will be constantly plugged in and will always have power. It would be great if the ROM supported video mirroring with hd playback and good decoding.
Any suggestions?
I've used it on both CM7 and CM10. Personally, I didn't notice a difference. I did not try playing anything as I've no media on my phone, but was able to load navi-x and stream stuff fine. It was slow, but I think that was due to it being in beta.
I'm not sure, but I don't remember seeing "Audio over HDMI" option in CM7... It's nice if you have a home theater and want sound coming from speaker system and not just the TV.
Edit: As a side note, it was a pain to work with the interface on such a small screen. Have you considered something like raspberry pi and selling/donating the Atrix?
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well, I have considered selling it, but the digitizer has a dead stripe, so the phone doesn't really have any value. The raspberry pi is the next logical step if this doesn't work out!
When I retire my Atrix, I will most likely turn it into a pseudo laptop since I bought a lapdock. They're pretty cheap, have you considered that alternative?
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I have a lapdock from the states, but I find it basically useless, since I haven't gotten swedish keyboard layout to work on it.
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I have a lapdock from the states, but I find it basically useless, since I haven't gotten swedish keyboard layout to work on it.
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I have exactly the same scenario. I have an Atrix , unrooted, but the screen no longer works and its basically redundant. I have the smart dock and ideally would like too use it as a dedicated media player with xBMC and a remote, leaving it connected to my TV at all times.
Would appreciate it if you could share any success you have in setting this up.
Thanks!
any progress?
I'm thinking about doing the same thing with my atrix.
Have you had any success using yours as an xbmc machine or did you scrap it for a pi?
I would also like to make my atrix into a dedicated XBMC box. I have a HD dock and would like to use it with the remote. I attempted to install the newly released xbmc for android on a gingerbread rom (Neutrino). I got a message that xbmc is not compatible with my device. I assume that it can work with an ics or jb rom. It works on my galaxy nexus. Any suggestions on which one would have the best support for hdmi output and hd dock?
I have CM10 Epinter JB and xbmc works on my phone. I have to open my player first and then xbmc app.
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So I've been playing with the IR blaster on my new S4... and I have to say it is priceless to see the expressions on peoples faces when I use my phone to control almost every TV in range. LG TV's seem to be the most responsive FYI.
Plus it is a nice little tool to troll people with
Anybody else found any other uses for it yet? I'm waiting for some custom IR apps to start popping up here and having some real fun.
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So I've been playing with the IR blaster on my new S4... and I have to say it is priceless to see the expressions on peoples faces when I use my phone to control almost every TV in range. LG TV's seem to be the most responsive FYI.
Plus it is a nice little tool to troll people with
Anybody else found any other uses for it yet? I'm waiting for some custom IR apps to start popping up here and having some real fun.
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Lol, I plan on messing with some co-workers during production meetings next week with TV in our conference room.
Love being able to use the S4 for channel surfing too as it is much faster than my slow direct tv box.
I caved and bought the "Smart remote for Galaxy S4" but haven't played with it too much yet. Seems to have alot of function available. Gonna mess with it more this weekend.
Maybe it's my tv, but do you have to point the blaster directly at the TV in order to get it to work?
I love the IR feature. But I found the range and angle to be very lacking. The IR beam seems like its only like 25° degrees... So you have to be right on with your aim. It's a little annoying I wish they would have used a better lens for the IR emitter.
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Maybe it's my tv, but do you have to point the blaster directly at the TV in order to get it to work?
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Mine picked up my Sony Bravia and Samsung TVs very easily. But I had to try a few times and aim very directly for my Direct TV boxes. After paired though they seemed very responsive.
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Mine picked up my Sony Bravia and Samsung TVs very easily. But I had to try a few times and aim very directly for my Direct TV boxes. After paired though they seemed very responsive.
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It's seems to work fairly better after some use, but I usually have to point it directly at my TV in order for it to work. Wonder if it's just my specific model TV.
What app do yall use for this? The paid IR blaster app?
I just use the watchon app, works fairly well for my needs. Haven't explored other apps yet though
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What app do yall use for this? The paid IR blaster app?
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The one that ships with the phone.
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More importantly, why doesn't the cable box have a freaking guide button and arrows...
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WatchON? I think I figured it out.
Love the watchon app. So easy to setup and use.
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It does, at least my uverse does. Just scroll down.
I tried the watchon app and it seems to work well with my Samsung tv and Directv. I have an audio receiver that I use for sound. Has anyone figured out how to use the volume for one device while the channel operates another? My Directv remote does it. Any of the pay apps do this?
I got all my TVs working decent enough, though ones that have HD converter boxes don't get a guide button. There's a menu button but that only brings up useless options, not the guide itself. If it's a TV with just the digital converter box there's a guide button that works fine, haven't quite figured out how to fix that yet.
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Lol, I plan on messing with some co-workers during production meetings next week with TV in our conference room.
Love being able to use the S4 for channel surfing too as it is much faster than my slow direct tv box.
I caved and bought the "Smart remote for Galaxy S4" but haven't played with it too much yet. Seems to have alot of function available. Gonna mess with it more this weekend.
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That smart remote in the play store looks a lot better than the remote in watch on. I need to decide if it's worth $10 or not.
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I tried the watchon app and it seems to work well with my Samsung tv and Directv. I have an audio receiver that I use for sound. Has anyone figured out how to use the volume for one device while the channel operates another? My Directv remote does it. Any of the pay apps do this?
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Hold down the Volume rocker (on the screen, not on the phone) and a separate pop up will come up. I have an audio unit also that separately controls my sound. It'll bring up a thing to insert it. Strange that they would put it there, and not in the settings but...whatever it works... ya know?
Downloaded smart remote and 100 times better than watchon range seems better as well
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Hold down the Volume rocker (on the screen, not on the phone) and a separate pop up will come up. I have an audio unit also that separately controls my sound. It'll bring up a thing to insert it. Strange that they would put it there, and not in the settings but...whatever it works... ya know?
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Awesome but I just tried it and don't get the pop-up. I added my tv, added the directtv, then added my av system. I went to the remote where everything works but the volume. It tried to work the tv volume that is not used. Long pressing it does nothing. Did I miss something?
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Downloaded smart remote and 100 times better than watchon range seems better as well
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That smart remote in the play store looks a lot better than the remote in watch on. I need to decide if it's worth $10 or not.
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link?
Looking forward to getting the phone and using this! Has anyone found a way to use it with the xbox 360 or is it impossible?