Dears, why WP8 bluetooth currently does not support SIM Access Profile (SAP, SIM, rSAP) for handsfree cars?!..
This is the issue that Microsoft needs to explain -> why in WP8, SAP does not get supported.
This is basic functionality that worked natively in previous Microsoft phone/mobile versions and made many of users like me to continue with MS OS and not moving to Android OS or iOS. Why am I so acid? Because I use my car handsfree a lot and now I need to pick up my Lumia 920 and operate directly the phone. The result is that my car handsfree in now reduced to a headset. My wife has the same issue with a Nokia Lumia 820.
With Android (v4.1.1) and a 6" screen chinese dual sim phone ($US 180!! sent to my home), I have better results!! I keep asking myself why I continue to insist with Microsoft....
Guess what? Just installed the latest WP8 upgrade and nothing, the bluetooth issues remain.
Any idea on the date for the new update release?
I have no trouble with bluetooth and my car, my 920 integrates perfectly with it, I see all my contacts and call log, I can press a button and tell it to call a number or contact. After the update yesterday. It even read out a sms I received while I was driving, then I was asked if I wanted to reply to it and successfully replied.
I don't know what more that you would want?
Perhaps your car's bluetooth needs to be upgraded to work with the latest phones?
Hi Peter56, then you're a lucky person!
I invite you to visit the WindowsPhone.com forum and have a quick look at the bluetooth section. You will find hundreds of complains from users like you and me where the WP8 OS is unable to sync contacts, phone lists (received calls), ...etc.
I have an Audi A6 (2007) and Audi already announced that won't upgrade their system because it works fine with all other OS's.
The car costed €70k+ and the phone €600, so it's easy what will be dropped off....
rSAP is not supported in most newer Smartphones (I believe the exception currently is Samsung) because it is using a GSM receiver installed directly in the car which means the Radio in the phone turns off. This disables all data connections on the Phone.
I guess unless the rSAP profile is extended to support data connections this situation won't change anytime soon.
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Dears, why WP8 bluetooth currently does not support SIM Access Profile (SAP, SIM, rSAP) for handsfree cars?!..
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Hands free calling over BT works for me in GM, Toyota, Hyundi, and Nissan cars.
The HFP is the one needed for Hands Free use in a Car. This is the profile every phone supports.
rSAP is fairly uncommon, one would say rare, so not supporting it is hardly a deal killer for WP8. For example, the iPhone also doesn't support rSAP, and other than a few Audi owners, no one else seems to care.
Well, after the update provided by Microsoft (8.0.10211.204), my issues with BT are gone. I have again a handsfree system instead of a headset. I can sync calls lists and phone books.
My Nokia Lumia 920 is now able to deal with my business life. Have fun!
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Hi all,
We all know that rSAP is not supported by Android
Those with carkits (VW, Audi, etc) with this profile cannot use their Android phone. A massive disappointment.
What will it take to get someone write some code to get this bluetooth profile to work on - for starters - the basic Froyo code for Nexus?
I'd be happy to kick off a project with a $150 donation or an HTC Hero (such as for testing).
Assuming we can get more people together who are interested in this (I am positive!), the big question remains - who would be able to write the required code?
MC
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We need rSAP
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In Android issue 4402 (not permitted to post outside links, just go to the google code page and search for 4402) about the rSap profile some people are reporting that the Samsung Galaxy S (I9000) does have the rSap profile and does successfully connect to VW/Audi premium carkits.
In the Galaxy S forums are some roms (including a MCR rom for the Galaxy S) ... so there might be some possibility to port some code from the Galaxy S to the Nexus One
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In Android issue 4402 (not permitted to post outside links, just go to the google code page and search for 4402) about the rSap profile some people are reporting that the Samsung Galaxy S (I9000) does have the rSap profile and does successfully connect to VW/Audi premium carkits.
In the Galaxy S forums are some roms (including a MCR rom for the Galaxy S) ... so there might be some possibility to port some code from the Galaxy S to the Nexus One
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Thanks, I found it and repeated my post there as well.
I really hope that someone can come up with something. Surely, as you say it works on the Galaxy S, one must be able to get this to work on the Nexus One, or any other Android phone for that matter.
Hoping to see some more replies here! Or maybe a recommendation of a programmer who might be able to do this.
Cheers, MC
Hi, I have the RSAP working on an Samsung galaxy i9000 wich my Audi built in car phone. The only hing bugging is the sync of phonebok. It synces alright, but with phone conacts only. It took me a while to realize that phone conacts and my primarily used exchange contact list are two different things in this setting. First I had believed it synces only sim contacts. While this is not the problem, I have not found a way yet to "replicate" the synced exchange contacts or map them to the phone phonebok from business contacts, wich would make them visible to the carphone via rSAP.
maybe someone here knows a solution or an app that would solve this? The rSAP itself works, as Samsung has implemented it into the Galaxy i9000.
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I will exceed the OP's donation and donate $151 who ever manages to crack the rSAP on Android. Samsing just made the sourcecode (search: Samsung releases Captivate source code) so there seems to also be a ZIP file for the GT-I9000 (European Samsung Galaxy S).
I am stuck with TouchHD for my VW PremiumGSM, and would love to get an Android.
Cheers and keep it up devs!!
+1!
plz, an app for rsap on n1!
Android on GSM... maybe, but limited; CDMA not likely
According to a post 4402, "rSAP allows different devices to connect to your mobile's SIM Card to read your contacts etc. The car than uses its own antenna and gsm Module to call. The mobile phone goes in a stand by mode which needs very low energy."
If this is true, then your rSAP-bluetooth connection is actually hijacking your sim card ID and using it to place calls and receive calls through the car's integrated GSM radio, and not actually synching as it seems. In this case (in the US), there is no Verizon or Sprint fix because neither network uses SIM card (chip based ID profiles) technology, and furthermore, both their networks are CDMA and therefore incompatible with Bentley, VW and Audi GSM modules. If the connection could be bridged, the car's GSM radio would be seeking access to a network the CDMA user is not subscribed to.
So the definitive end is that as long as you have a VAG auto, you better have an rSAP GSM phone to use with it.
Ironically, Apple iPhones are GSM and they have had a longstanding good relationship with VAG, so I am surprised to find them boxed out of compatibility with Audi and VW especially. I am not certain, but it could have something to do with Apple's unique provisioning architecture is as much as they do not have a readily accessible SIM card (or battery), and in doing so, they are not respecting the need for SIM portability.
When I worked at a multi-carrier mobile phone reseller years ago, I briefly had a SIM-card based phone that I could then take the SIM card from and insert it into any GSM phone (from the same carrier) and use that phone to place and receive calls. This same migration can be effected in CDMA technology, but only through over-the-air provisioning, and that process is not as immediate as the rSAP SIM takeover process seems to be.
I'll keep looking into this matter, but perhaps the upgrade we should be barking for is to have VAG integrate support for the same bluetooth profile (HFP) that BMW does. BMWs from 2007 on with bluetooth will connect to my Droid X all day. rSAP just overtakes your SIM id and uses it to place and receive calls on the car's GSM radio. Of course it also can access a portion of your Address Book, but after that, you are stuck with the features offered in your car's radio and no longer have full utility of your Droid phone features and apps, etc. As a result, Google Voice search will be a non-starter for Android rSAP unless the car's GSM radio is actually running Android OS as well. And how likely is that...
maybe this could help?
http://allforfreelancers.com/getafr...Android-iPhone-J2ME-Nokia-Symbian-726296.html
Rsap works..but no Bluetooth audio
Hi,
I got my I9000 working on my Premium Bluetooth in my VW Passat. However I cannot figure out how to get the Bluetooth Audio (in the Media Secion of the car display) working. I have enabled it in settings in the car. AUX works, SD-card works.. but bluetooth audio I just cannot figure out.
Does any1 know?
I have a NTG1 Comand in my Mercedes, and the rSAP conection works like charme, with the SGS(2.2.1 jpy).
Only thing that not works is the PBAP so only my sim card contacs r listed!
Mike
tommylad said:
Hi,
I got my I9000 working on my Premium Bluetooth in my VW Passat. However I cannot figure out how to get the Bluetooth Audio (in the Media Secion of the car display) working. I have enabled it in settings in the car. AUX works, SD-card works.. but bluetooth audio I just cannot figure out.
Does any1 know?
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Hi, Bluetooth Audio works exactly as it works with bluetooth headset: you need to launch a music player on the phone and then the audio will be transfered to your car's speakers. I just got my new VW Touran and SGS works almost fine with it (having troubles with the contacts with emails, which are not synced to the car). I think I'm going to get an SDHC card for my music (Media-IN works great with a usb drive).
Cheers
Okay this is what I've been wondering...is there anyway to use an Android phone as a bluetooth headset for the Galaxy Tab (or any Android tablet for that matter)? im planning on getting T-Mobile's prepaid Android 2.2 phone and i want to keep my minute usage down by using Google Voice on the tablet. And since they both have bluetooth capabilities it should be possible to use it in this manner, right? I do not want to use one of those hideous, uncomfortable bluetooth headsets because im already going to have a bluetooth device (the phone) with me that im more comfortable using. Is there any way to do this or an app that enables this functionality?
Isn't that like call forwarding or something?
no because your not forwarding your calls, your handling the call over bluetooth. this is what im talking about: people will call my tablet's Google Voice number, and I will be able to use my phone as a bluetooth headset for the tablet to take the call
its the same concept as bluetooth headsets today:
-you get a bluetooth headset
-you pair the headset with your phone
-you take calls on your phone but talk and listen through your bluetooth headset
the way im trying to do this is:
-you get a bluetooth-capable phone
-you pair the phone with your tablet
-you take calls on your tablet but talk and listen through your bluetooth phone
since the phone already has everything that a bluetooth headset has--microphone, earpiece, bluetooth radio-- it should be able to pair with the tablet and work in the same manner as a regular bluetooth headset
yes!
Im looking thos for months my friend. But no one seems to know anything. We are talkin for clever and serius programming so it is not so easy to find sonething.
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I have been looking to do the same thing with my Samsung tab. Instead of walking around stucked to my face.
Yes I could use a BT headset, but it won't dial out. There is a specific Bluetooth profile to do this.
i don't know much about this, but wouldn't the phone would need the bluetooth protocol that a headset uses? someone would have to make a program that would allow the phone to be used as a headset, but then also decide what gets priority if the phone needs to also access the mic or earpiece when you are on a call...
i don't mind simply using a bluetooth - that is more comfortable and flexible than me holding a phone in one hand.
I am seekung solution too.
I'm looking for a solution to this as well. But a different application.
using a tablet as a car-computer.
leave phone in pocket. take and view phone calls though tablet, which is mounted to dash, which is routed to the car audio system with strategically placed microphone built into dash.
I'm surprised no one has made this... seems like something many would be after.
looking for the same here :-(
I want to buy a cheap tablet to leave in the car and use as a gps.
I'd like it to being able to be connected to my phone and work as a bluetooth hands free of sorts.
anyone has 2 android devices to try and connected and see what happens?
Me too - so i'm posting here to show that there is really demand for solution
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The Phone app apk is there but it doesn't work Honeycomb, Google Voice also FCs. I think it's because Google knows it would take away from the Android Phones and that would piss off the carriers.
Why should it take people away from carriers? Me want to use my communicator as phone №2, so i could not take from my pocket the first one.
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Why should it take people away from carriers? Me want to use my communicator as phone №2, so i could not take from my pocket the first one.
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Because you could Google Voice, Skype, etc for a lot cheaper than a carrier.
same same, would be great solution to using tab as a phone
What we are seeking is the Bluetooth HFP (Hands-Free Protocol) (ver. 1.5) HF Profile. Many newer OEM car head-units support the HFP hands-free (HF) mode while most all Android devices and tablets support the audio gateway (AG) mode only.
I am not a developer but I would suspect that getting the AG portion of HFP to work would require changes to the BT drivers. If anyone has the HF mode working on an Android device, please chime in!
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What we are seeking is the Bluetooth HFP (Hands-Free Protocol) (ver. 1.5) HF Profile. Many newer OEM car head-units support the HFP hands-free (HF) mode while most all Android devices and tablets support the audio gateway (AG) mode only.
I am not a developer but I would suspect that getting the AG portion of HFP to work would require changes to the BT drivers. If anyone has the HF mode working on an Android device, please chime in!
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Do any devs have ideas? This would make tons of tablet owners happy. In an ideal world, we would be able to keep an Android phone in our pocket, and send/receive texts on the tablet through our phone carrier, as well as make and receive calls using our tablets as a Bluetooth speaker phone. This marriage of tablet to phone would be awesome, and generate a lot of money and interest in the app market.
Does anyone know if there has been any progress on using a phone as a bluetooth headset for a tablet? I am trying to figure out how to do this with a samsung galaxy gio and a samsung galaxy tab 7.
junglizste said:
I'm looking for a solution to this as well. But a different application.
using a tablet as a car-computer.
leave phone in pocket. take and view phone calls though tablet, which is mounted to dash, which is routed to the car audio system with strategically placed microphone built into dash.
I'm surprised no one has made this... seems like something many would be after.
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This is the exact solution I am looking for! Come on developers of the world, how hard can it be!
So is the problem with this that Android doesn't support the necessary profiles in its bluetooth stack? Is there any way to add the profiles ourselves?
It would be nice if a developer would look into this.
Can you sync your contacts over bluetooth to your BMW?
I am a (soon to be ex) Evo 3D owner and HTC screwed up this feature when they upgraded all their phones to Bluetooth 3.0.
I'm thinking seriously of dumping the Evo 3D but need to know if this feature works with the Galaxy S II.
As BMW owners know, you can sync your contacts to your BMW vie bluetooth and initiate phone calls from the directory on the iDrive screen. This is a lot easier than trying to mess with your phone's display while driving. However, this feature was lost with HTC's bluetooth 3.0 update.
Anyone with SGS2 and a BMW who can confirm that this works on their car?
Also, if it does work, what year is your BMW?
I have a 2010 335i and the SGS2 syncs contacts perfectly. But not the other "office" options (I think that only works with Blackberries).
Cool thanks, that gives me hope!
318 from 12/08 with Navi Professional.
I get all numbers from my contacts into my car but no address data. Very annoying cause you cannot use your navi comfortably.
With my old WM6.1 HTC Touch Pro it worked like a breeze.
I hope there will be a fix soon. Bluetooth is just crappy in the SGS2. It's got problems with pairing with my PC, too. It gets paired but sharing files via BT is impossible. The device manager shows me that drivers are missing.
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SGS functioned perfectly with contacts sync on my BMW 325i 2006 iDrive, upgraded to SGS2 which wont even pair, giving an error message "pairing rejected by BMW####".
upgrading the firmware to XXKG1 didn't solve the issue, am gonna see if i can update the idrive's version and post back if resolved
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SGS functioned perfectly with contacts sync on my BMW 325i 2006 iDrive, upgraded to SGS2 which wont even pair, giving an error message "pairing rejected by BMW####".
upgrading the firmware to XXKG1 didn't solve the issue, am gonna see if i can update the idrive's version and post back if resolved
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Oh no, that sucks. That's the same year as my iDrive.
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Oh no, that sucks. That's the same year as my iDrive.
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Perhaps it's time to upgrade your car
I re-checked on my 2010 professional navi and contacts are fully sync'ed; even addresses.
I further investigated about bluetooth and indeed android (linux in general) implementation is quite limited. Beyond the basic audio, agenda and stereo audio (which also works in the BMW), BMW Teleservices require DUN (dial up networking) which worked on my old Windows Mobile 6 device but not on the SGS2 and BMW office requires MAP (message access profile) which is not available in android.
And though A2DP streams audio to the car, there is no information on what is playing, nor cover art.
Maybe some xda developer will be so kind as to develop these profiles. I would gladly pay to have my phone fully connected to my car.
I have 2010 3 series with iDrive. Phonebook syncs flawlessly and handsfree works great. Can't get audio streaming to work though, the phone starts playback but I hear no audio. The display is telling me 'Please Wait'.
BMW Mini Cooper with Mini Boost audio system - all contacts synced properly.
It has no A2DP audio so I can't test that and it doesn't have a satnav so addresses deff do not sync.
ok... i see a lot of people here do not know what kind of iDrive system you have and hence making it hard for others to judge. i know this is old but i am running into issues with my CCC based iDrive and my JB based Samsung galaxy s2
Please post Year, make,model and type of iDrive or BT OEM equipment you might have...
2007 BMW 335i with CCC iDrive
SGS2 with 4.1.2 JB
Just an quick FYI
CCC iDrive was the first idrive that was placed on the market and believe it runs from 2006 till 2008
CIC iDrive was the second get and it runs from 2009 -2012
CIC High iDrive is the current one 2013 and on...
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SGSII with 4.2.2 Slimbean and dorimanx 9.34
X3 CIC I-drive 2011
Contacts with adresses and pictures work fine also SMS and callhistory
Audiostreaming working but no audioinformation transmitted ( Issue of ROM/Kernel )
Hi, are we able to record calls on Lumia 800?
cheers....
any idea?
cheers...
Recording calls is dodgy ground so it's only the community Android ROM's that support it. You might want to get a cheap Android phone for stuff like that.
From the recent generations smartphones. Only Symbian devices are able to do that out of the box. They can even record calls when the call is made over a bluetooth headset.
- manually (as explained in the userguide) through the inbuild Recorder-app.
- automatically through 3rd party apps like Best-callrecorder or boldbeast or similar offerings.
Don't forget that the Lumia range of phones are NOT made by Nokia themselves but by Compal (whom might not have provided Nokia with the required API's to utilise this feature) and the OS is from Microsoft (whom also might not have given the proper info on how to use that). So we don't know whether Microsoft is the cullprit or Compal (with regards to such technical features).
if you want seamless call recording you're best bet is either go for a Symbian device or get an 'old' featurephone (like the SE K750i and probably it's successor). If you're more adventurous you can fool around with certain Android models with certain custom ROMS.
The funny thing is that some old Windows Mobile models like Samsung Omnia i900 and Acer Neotouch F1 were able to do full 2-way call recording but this feature has been absent in recent phones and phone-OS's (including Windows Phone). The same with Android I think a few Android 1.6 (donut) models were able to record calls.
Agreed, actually despite all best efforts from MS and windows phone manufacturers they are not synchronised or may be never used mobile phones earlier, that's why some basic features are missing e.g.
- call recording
- contact forwarding
- tethering
- copy contact to SIM
I wish any one from MS or phone manufacturer listen to the users before sending out next release.
cheers...
Has anyone had a problem with connecting the 920 to a car kit?
I've got a Vauxhall (GM) Insignia with the built in car kit. The 920 will connect to the car and the phone book and call lists will sync, however, when I try to make a call I get a message on the screen saying "Dialing Failed". I can make calls from the phone and they will go through the BT car kit. Same if I receive a call I can use the buttons on the steeringwheel to answer the call.
I did have a HTC HD2 with Winphone 7.5 and that worked flawlessly with the car kit, but this isn't so happy. Anyone got any suggestions?
As an aside, how do you change the name of the Phone so it doesn't just appear as "Windows Phone"?
Thanks
mcvpjd3 said:
Has anyone had a problem with connecting the 920 to a car kit?
I've got a Vauxhall (GM) Insignia with the built in car kit. The 920 will connect to the car and the phone book and call lists will sync, however, when I try to make a call I get a message on the screen saying "Dialing Failed". I can make calls from the phone and they will go through the BT car kit. Same if I receive a call I can use the buttons on the steeringwheel to answer the call.
I did have a HTC HD2 with Winphone 7.5 and that worked flawlessly with the car kit, but this isn't so happy. Anyone got any suggestions?
As an aside, how do you change the name of the Phone so it doesn't just appear as "Windows Phone"?
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Use the Windows Phone App in Win8 to change the name. Maybe uss the Market (on a desktop browser, log in) to change the name - forgot if that's an option.
As far as cars go, every bluetooth phone I've had has been hit or miss - even the iPhone 4 I had worked, didn't work, then worked again at various versions of iOS on my Nissan.
I have a GM (Traverse) and it seems to like both my HTC Titan 7.5 and my Lumia 920 - the bluetooth stack in WP8 is different than the one used in WP7.5, apparently that's causing you issues.
Can you initiate voice calling from the steering wheel hands free? I can do that in my GM but not in my Nissan - if you can then you don't need the address book to sync.
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Use the Windows Phone App in Win8 to change the name.
Can you initiate voice calling from the steering wheel hands free? I can do that in my GM but not in my Nissan - if you can then you don't need the address book to sync.
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Name: Yeah, worked that one out after I posted the message, thanks anyway
No, using the voice control doesn't work, the Dialing Failed message. Lets hope the first update may help
I can't even connect to the BT Kit in my Ford Focus. When I hit connect, the car doesn't show the PIN to connect as it should. The car kit works with HTC One X and iPhone 4s as expected. Read somewhere, that some BT protocols are missing in WP8. Rumours say, that this might get fixed with the next bigger update for WP in Q1 13. Let's hope it.
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I can't even connect to the BT Kit in my Ford Focus. When I hit connect, the car doesn't show the PIN to connect as it should. The car kit works with HTC One X and iPhone 4s as expected. Read somewhere, that some BT protocols are missing in WP8. Rumours say, that this might get fixed with the next bigger update for WP in Q1 13. Let's hope it.
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Had the same issue with my 2012 Ford Ranger, eventually got it working by doing the following:
When you pair your Lumia with your car, enter any PIN on your Lumia even if your car doesnt give you a pin. Once you enter a PIN on your Lumia and hit enter your car should provide you with the correct PIN to enter, then just enter the provided PIN and it should work.