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Hi,
maybe it is a stupid question, but how do they (verizon) technically find out that someone tether over 3G, when you have a unlimited data plan (3G) and use 3G normaly from your phone to download? What is the difference between the data that comes over 3G when I download the same pdf to phone or over wifi/3G tether to the iPad ? It makes no sense to me.
Thanks for your answers
The amount of data you use is one method. The other is that they are building in tethering monitoring to the kernels that sends a message to the system that you're tethering.
I know for the DX/D2 the leak of GB from Verizon actually had a tether detection and every time you tried to tether, weather it was barnicle or wireless tether it would redirect you to Verizons website and asked if you wanted to tether to pay another fee ....idk if it will happen with this phone is VZ does decide to push out a GB for us ...
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JeezyMT3G said:
I know for the DX/D2 the leak of GB from Verizon actually had a tether detection and every time you tried to tether, weather it was barnicle or wireless tether it would redirect you to Verizons website and asked if you wanted to tether to pay another fee ....idk if it will happen with this phone is VZ does decide to push out a GB for us ...
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The Fascinate has "hidden" tether protection that we have bypassed thanks to the kernel sources, but it is there in the stock kernel.
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The amount of data you use is one method. The other is that they are building in tethering monitoring to the kernels that sends a message to the system that you're tethering.
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So there is a program that work in the background sending data to the carrier when you use Wifi and 3G at the same time ?
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So there is a program that work in the background sending data to the carrier when you use Wifi and 3G at the same time ?
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Either a program/service within the framework, or a special command/method is used to notify the network that you're tethering.
But if we are using a ROM such as Evil Fascination or Community then they wouldn't be able to tell because of the custom kernels that come with them right?
Yes, the custom kernels all have it bypassed as far as I am aware. At least we think that we have bypassed it.
Thanks for the information, its very interesting . If I am understand it right, there is a part of it in the ROM and a second in the kernel. They have to work together, if one of the parts missing like in a custom kernel it prevent the phone from sending ?
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Yes, the custom kernels all have it bypassed as far as I am aware. At least we think that we have bypassed it.
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Even if you're using verizon's 3G mobile hotspot app? Or do you have to download a different wireless tethering app? (Which we can't cause verizon blocked all of them from the market lol)
Wifi tethering apps aren't hidden in the market for me....
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Wifi tethering apps aren't hidden in the market for me....
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No apps are hidden ....only one that was taken off was Wireless Tether and thats was a long time ago ...the rest are still there
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imnuts said:
Yes, the custom kernels all have it bypassed as far as I am aware. At least we think that we have bypassed it.
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I work for an indirect sales and have access to Verizon and ill test to see if Verizon recognizes any tethering downloads...I know they can definitely tell whats tethered and whats not....will report back with confirmation tomorrow
edit:will test CM and Stock just to see how much is visible to them
rebirthan1x said:
Hi,
maybe it is a stupid question, but how do they (verizon) technically find out that someone tether over 3G, when you have a unlimited data plan (3G) and use 3G normaly from your phone to download? What is the difference between the data that comes over 3G when I download the same pdf to phone or over wifi/3G tether to the iPad ? It makes no sense to me.
Thanks for your answers
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I know from working on a customers account that info your asking is clearly defined under current usage tab in our system...it divides the data used into smartphone usage and tethered usage...assuming they considered tether in the sense of hardwired and wireless...yes it is crazy what we can see from your phone reporting to us....will the system know? yes....will someone at verizon care? probably, are they going to pick thru every little customers account who has EVER tether and charge them? probably not....just dont poke the bear and you'll be fine...
mkzbdroid said:
I work for an indirect sales and have access to Verizon and ill test to see if Verizon recognizes any tethering downloads...I know they can definitely tell whats tethered and whats not....will report back with confirmation tomorrow
edit:will test CM and Stock just to see how much is visible to them
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....and what is the difference?
mkzbdroid said:
I know from working on a customers account that info your asking is clearly defined under current usage tab in our system...it divides the data used into smartphone usage and tethered usage...assuming they considered tether in the sense of hardwired and wireless...yes it is crazy what we can see from your phone reporting to us....will the system know? yes....will someone at verizon care? probably, are they going to pick thru every little customers account who has EVER tether and charge them? probably not....just dont poke the bear and you'll be fine...
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hopefully they dont change it where that tethered usage is automatically added to your bill. im on comm rom so it shouldnt affect me but those that arent should be careful or consider a custom rom
from what I had read at one time on ATT's tethering crackdown, the system was easily able to tell due to one little piece... the TTL.
here's a quote and more info on it... probably pertains to verizon as well.
For all you wondering how they can tell:
All IP packets have something called a TTL associated with them. It stands for Time To Live. Every "hop" along the network from one router to the next reduces the TTL by one. When it reaches 0, the packet is dropped. This was introduced to keep routing problems from overloading the network. If for example, by some error a packet was going around in a circular path, the TTL would eventually reach 0 and prevent a packet storm.
The thing is, ALL routing devices do this. OSes use standard TTLs. For example, let's say both your iPhone and laptop use 127 for the TTL. AT&T will receive packets from your iPhone with a TTL of 127, but since the packets from your laptop pass through your iPhone first, they arrive at AT&T with a TTL of 126. They can detect a tethered device this way.
EDIT: Some people below have suggested changing the default TTL of their tethered device (which is possible). I would just like to point out that the max TTL allowed is 255, and if the iPhone uses 255 as its default TTL, well there's no way you can set it to 256.
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I'm not sure if our android tethering apps take this into account and change the TTL of the traffic on the fly or not... would be interesting to test out though...
I am wondering what people are doing for furthering with regards to protecting themselves. I guess most of this stems from a fear of losing my unlimited data plan. Ideally, I would like to tether over a VPN connection to encrypt all my data from anyone even seeing what type it is....but since the default pptp VPN on android does not allow you to browse over VPN from a tethered client, I am wondering what people are doing (if anything) to protect themselves.
Nothing, straight tether
Spoof mobile user agent string on client
ROM that has the kernel changed to allow browsing over pptp VPN connection
Browsing over L2tp VPN
I usually tether with USB, and that's supposed to be more discreet. I've thought about using WiFi tether, but I don't see the point unless I'm trying to connect multiple devices, then I would have to consider finding something to cover up that many devices.
I use Verizon hotspot since I don't care about unlimited data and saved a ton of money switching to the share everything plan....
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Po1soNNN said:
I use Verizon hotspot since I don't care about unlimited data and saved a ton of money switching to the share everything plan....
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Lol....funniest thing I've read today..
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Po1soNNN said:
I use Verizon hotspot since I don't care about unlimited data and saved a ton of money switching to the share everything plan....
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I did, too. But then I switched to an iPhone because it's more open and has better development.
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I did, too. But then I switched to an iPhone because it's more open and has better development.
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You guys crack me up
But, anyway. If you're using WiFi Tether, can't you just set a security key?
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But, anyway. If you're using WiFi Tether, can't you just set a security key?
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Yes. That is a great point to secure from nearby users. Most programs allow you to use a WiFi password.
Im also wondering how people are handling the "safety" of verizon detecting people tethering when they still have unlimited data and are using something other than the mobile hotspot.
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But, anyway. If you're using WiFi Tether, can't you just set a security key?
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The funny thing is i actually did switch....
haha but yeah its pretty secure
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Yes. That is a great point to secure from nearby users. Most programs allow you to use a WiFi password.
Im also wondering how people are handling the "safety" of verizon detecting people tethering when they still have unlimited data and are using something other than the mobile hotspot.
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From what I understand it's like it's run through a proxy. So I guess as long as you don't tether 10GB in a month they won't pay much attention.
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From what I understand it's like it's run through a proxy. So I guess as long as you don't tether 10GB in a month they won't pay much attention.
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Are you saying than any tethering done from any tethering app (in my case "WiFi tether") runs through a proxy and that makes it undetectable by verizon?
I have not understood it to be that way. From what I understand, when you tether, unless you match the user agent string of your mobile browser, the packets/data can be detected by Verizon and they can potentially terminate your contract for violating its terms. When you use a VPN all of the data is encrypted and therefore there is no way for Verizon to detect the tethering.
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Are you saying than any tethering done from any tethering app (in my case "WiFi tether") runs through a proxy and that makes it undetectable by verizon?
I have not understood it to be that way. From what I understand, when you tether, unless you match the user agent string of your mobile browser, the packets/data can be detected by Verizon and they can potentially terminate your contract for violating its terms. When you use a VPN all of the data is encrypted and therefore there is no way for Verizon to detect the tethering.
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Wait, I just remembered...What's it matter? The FCC just slapped Verizon with a huge fine and told them they can't stop customers from tethering/can't charge them, correct?
Ive tethered with pdanet n wifi tether for two years now, tethered more than ten gigs....no issues yet
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Wait, I just remembered...What's it matter? The FCC just slapped Verizon with a huge fine and told them they can't stop customers from tethering/can't charge them, correct?
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Link please? That would be awesome!
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Link please? That would be awesome!
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/31/verizon-to-stop-blocking-tethering-apps-settles-with-fcc-for-1/
Here ya go.
Usually PDANet for myself, Wifi Tether for my iPhone friends :highfive:
Just tether we all do it and there is nothing to worry about unless u hit Luke 10 gb all the time or more
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Yeah, don't stress it. WiFi Tether away!
When I moved into my new house last year, it took a few days to get my internet squared away. I just tethered off my phone, and the whole family had reliable internet (as long as I was home, of course). Just make sure your brightness is down and you are plugged into a charger, cuz it drains a battery quick, and the phone will get pretty hot.
PdaNet and USB tether, here. Simple setup, secure, and has built-in cloaking of tether usage.
I just don't get why WiFi tether is such a big deal, unless you want to give away your bandwidth to other people (if you don't use security and password protect). Using USB tether keeps the phone charged while tethering, and is the most secure. Win-win-win situation, if you ask me.
Freedom First said:
PdaNet and USB tether, here. Simple setup, secure, and has built-in cloaking of tether usage.
I just don't get why WiFi tether is such a big deal, unless you want to give away your bandwidth to other people (if you don't use security and password protect). Using USB tether keeps the phone charged while tethering, and is the most secure. Win-win-win situation, if you ask me.
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It's quite easy to secure, plugging into a wall charges it better, and you don't have to install any software or drivers on the device you are trying to tether. Win, win, and win for me.
As for the overall topic, I don't do anything other than run Wifi Tether. Currently, we're tethering the whole house because our uVerse is out of service after a storm.
[Q] tethering caught with fox fi- with proxy
i have been a big fan of tethering since my old iPhone days.
the switch to android has been a big step and i am not telling anyone to tether so please don't abuse this.
i used foxfi with proxy for about 4 months until last night. got a email from AT&t stating that i would be moved to a tethering plan for 65 dollars more a month and one less gig than i had before. so for all those that use foxfi with proxy, it doesn't work. i know pda net dosent work from friend who also got a letter, before me.
so i am stuck .. no more tethering for me.. i am actually retiring from it. but i still keep the option on my phone if such an emergency arises.
hears where i am asking for the opinions of the xda members. i am not sure how at&t knows, but they did, and it doesn't make sense that they scan all every packet of data. any ideas how they know?
i did do one thing that i found hidden on my samsung notei717. under network settings it only shows ONE apn. but... if you download a apn-manager it shows a hidden APN-att-entitlement. is this how they know? i thought it was only used for people who pay for tethering? is it also used to track tethering?
i ended up using a sql editor and removed the line for this APN from the(/data/data/com.android.providers.telephony/databases/telephony.db) rebooted phone and now its gone, phone works well and i havent seen any problems yet. ( i did make a copy if anyone wants to see the original)
might anyone in here have any ideas of how at&t knew ?
i am more curious if anything.. even my wife told me, that i have a big enough screen, just use it as a computer from now on.
was it this APN that gave it away? (i tethered a android tablet for internet and games)
I'm on T-Mobile and have been caught tethering, I use chrome extension user-agent switcher. Choose the Android user-agent. If some pages require IE then just precede with HTTPS.
Try it.
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Another thought you could use the tether, establish a VPN tunnel to a home machine and then use the internet that way. it'll encapsulate your traffic from your laptop to your home PC so AT&T could see is traffic but not what and where. From what I've read it's either 1 of 2 ways how AT&T detect if you're tethering:
1) by detecting what type of response headers and ports your connecting on. A VPN tunnel would protect you.
2) the other rumor is that by using a tethering program (or one that's built in for that matter) uses a tethering specific APN which AT&T tracks that way. So in theory if you could specify which APN you use for tethering that would protect you.
I haven't wanted to test out these theories because I have unlimited plan and don't want to risk it.
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Another thought you could use the tether, establish a VPN tunnel to a home machine and then use the internet that way. it'll encapsulate your traffic from your laptop to your home PC so AT&T could see is traffic but not what and where. From what I've read it's either 1 of 2 ways how AT&T detect if you're tethering:
1) by detecting what type of response headers and ports your connecting on. A VPN tunnel would protect you.
2) the other rumor is that by using a tethering program (or one that's built in for that matter) uses a tethering specific APN which AT&T tracks that way. So in theory if you could specify which APN you use for tethering that would protect you.
I haven't wanted to test out these theories because I have unlimited plan and don't want to risk it.
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i have deleted the alternate APN ( which is hidden even from root users) so i am not sure if that is it.
is it possible to alter the TTL ? and if so how?
- also how would i tweak my note to use a VPN?
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i have deleted the alternate APN ( which is hidden even from root users) so i am not sure if that is it.
is it possible to alter the TTL ? and if so how?
- also how would i tweak my note to use a VPN?
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Personally I'd handle the VPN on the laptop/computer instead of the phone itself. Inherently there's an overhead for a VPN and requires processing power which would slow down your throughput on your phone if the phone was handling that.
Here's a link that has a decent walk through if you want to use the phone for the VPN.
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/smartphones/securely-connect-your-android-smartphone-via-vpn/3321
What APN did you delete? can you post the values of it? Also why do you want to change your TTL?
I do not know how at &t does it, but a friend was one of the first owner of a 10" tablet with internal 3g years ago. His provider accused him doing tethering.
We assumed that they check the screen resolution of the browser which some web sites use to optimise the layout.
After short discussion, he could convince them and they droped the case.
Not that I'm in any way knowledgeable in the context of this topic, but when you mentioned the alteration and/or deletion of hidden APN data...
Bear in mind that a stock GB build for the ATT note, contains 1352 separate APN's....
And I'm not sure if the hidden file will capture the additional data or not to prevent detection, but I thought I'd post anyway just in case it helps at all ...g
Edit : I can't say for sure where these APN logs are stored or how/when they are accessed, but I know they exist as they can be seen when backing or restoring the GB or ICS UCLF6 Builds when tracking the line by line process.
Good luck to you gentlemen, I have nothing else to offer on the subject ....sorry ....g
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I do not know how at &t does it, but a friend was one of the first owner of a 10" tablet with internal 3g years ago. His provider accused him doing tethering.
We assumed that they check the screen resolution of the browser which some web sites use to optimise the layout.
After short discussion, he could convince them and they droped the case.
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If that's the case, that sort of data can be masked by a VPN tunnel. But I think it's a little more complex than that because there's quite a few tablets on AT&T now.
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If that's the case, that sort of data can be masked by a VPN tunnel. But I think it's a little more complex than that because there's quite a few tablets on AT&T now.
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Sure, they will have improved their detection, but it will be based on fingerprinting for the traffic of commonly used desktop applications. VPN will avoid this, but using VPN all the time might be suspiscious per se.
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Sure, they will have improved their detection, but it will be based on fingerprinting for the traffic of commonly used desktop applications. VPN will avoid this, but using VPN all the time might be suspiscious per se.
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Agreed, it would look suspicious, but suspicion isn't enough to warrant AT&T to switch your account.
I got the email from AT&T about a year ago warning me about tethering and I called the number and she said their system looks for many thing and throws up red flags when it can prove you are tethering. She said they have to have proof before they can warn people. I was using my device to tether an iPod touch and she told me the reason I was caught was because I had downloaded apps from the App Store on an I device but my sim card was never shown to be inside an Idevice. It was crazy because I used several devices to tether for at least three years without being caught and within a week of using the iPod I was caught.
How dare we use the services we pay for! Such arrogance I have never seen to think att shouldn't be able to double dip. Vote Romney 2012 and deregulate more!
I got a warning once after watching Netflix... on my phone. They're usually bull****.
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Earlier this month, I was on vacay and decided to use my phone to tether to my laptop (wasnt going to pay $12 at the hotel for damn sure), and I forgot and left it on thru one night. I didn't really "tether" per say, I turned my phone to a hotspot actually and it's not like my internet usage was higher than normal neither.
Why does at&t trip when you gotta pay anyway? (if no unlimited plan of course)
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Why does at&t trip when you gotta pay anyway? (if no unlimited plan of course)
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Well because AT&T wants to get you for every single penny they can. They want to charge you for a data plan, then a tether plan and roaming plan, and idevice plan, a non-idevice plan, a gps plan, a navigation plan, a text to speech plan, your grandma is a dirty girl plan, your connected to more than one tower at a time plan, a video chat plan. I'm sure you get the point, if they can squeeze that extra penny from the people and force them to pay higher prices, even though it alienates their consumers, they know people aren't going to leave. The market isn't who has the best service gets the most customers anymore. It's you will use us because we're all owned by the same company and we just give you the illusion that you have choices, but in reality all your money are belong to us.
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I have a 3 gig plan and use about 8 gigs a month.. I tether my ps3 and play online and stuff like that.. I have never heard from AT&T..
Surely they can see when I'm connected to Playstation Network using massive amounts of data..
Its powered by Jellybeaned AOKP!
Did you delete the tethering manager program?
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johnrippa said:
How dare we use the services we pay for! Such arrogance I have never seen to think att shouldn't be able to double dip. Vote Romney 2012 and deregulate more!
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Exactly !!..g
drnecropolis said:
I have a 3 gig plan and use about 8 gigs a month.. I tether my ps3 and play online and stuff like that.. I have never heard from AT&T..
Surely they can see when I'm connected to Playstation Network using massive amounts of data..
Its powered by Jellybeaned AOKP!
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aside from charging you for tethering...they dont charge you for the overage from the 3gig to 8gig? that has to be a lot
Ok so when I use my hotspot, I get the T-mobile page that comes up and says "T-Mobile Smartphone Hotspot yada, yada" unless I change the UserAgent. However, I was rooting a person's phone (also on T-Mobile), and once I rooted it and installed tethering, his worked flawlessly without any even having to change the UA. So I said "just for the heck of it, let's change SIMs", so we swap SIMs. So I put his SIM in my phone, and guess what, it worked flawlessly with no blocks. I found out he was on the $50 Pre-Paid 4G plan, and I'm a shared unlimited 4G data contract plan with my Girlfriend. So I guessing maybe they are blocking Hotspot on Contract plans, but not Pre-Paid Plans. I don't know if this was discussed before, but I thought it was interesting. What you guys think.
Wait til your friend uses a lot of data. Then they catch on to it and will block him.
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Wait til your friend uses a lot of data. Then they catch on to it and will block him.
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I second this. It worked fine no problems for me without changing anything. Then finally the other day when I had it connected to my laptop and I was doing a ton of things including some downloads it finally popped up. Funny thing was my downloads kept on downloading
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I never had that pop up on my Amaze till I decided to update my PS3 on it since my wifi took a $hit. It still works and lets me tether.
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I had some trouble but a little APN change made it work, maybe that could help, search for it.
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hey i posted this in the other tethering thread but just in case anyone missed it, dont change to the android user agent because you will have to deal with stupid mobile sites on your pc while tethering, instead use the opera user agent to get non mobile sites.
Ive been using IE6 or IE7 UA on mine with no problems
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Wait til your friend uses a lot of data. Then they catch on to it and will block him.
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The $50 Monthly 4G plan throttles your data to EDGE speeds after 100mb.
The $60 Monthly 4G plan does the same at 2.5GB.
So if you 'use alot of data' you just get choked to dialup speed automatically - weather it's with your phone or with tethering...
If they are doing an HTTP-proxy-based tether-block now (eg, if it looks for user-agent strings), just use TOR or CoDEEN to get around that.
Hi all,
Is there any truth to VZW "throttling" folks' who are on unlimited data plans? I ask because I regularly tether my DNA to my macbook air. As soon as I start downloading a large file or use facetime, the connection with the Internet breaks off. I noticed that my speed would drop from 1.4gbps down to 700kbps shortly before the connection breaks.
I know that's rather anecdotal but the connection break does not appear coincidental, it happens every time within a minute of me using anything that requires a large amount of data.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Mike
I haven't notice while tethering, but I have noticed my overall speed has gone down.
I wonder if you call VZW and ask if you are throttled if they have to tell you?
kampana said:
Hi all,
Is there any truth to VZW "throttling" folks' who are on unlimited data plans? I ask because I regularly tether my DNA to my macbook air. As soon as I start downloading a large file or use facetime, the connection with the Internet breaks off. I noticed that my speed would drop from 1.4gbps down to 700kbps shortly before the connection breaks.
I know that's rather anecdotal but the connection break does not appear coincidental, it happens every time within a minute of me using anything that requires a large amount of data.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Mike
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Did you uninstall TetheringGuard.apk and Verizon Mobile Hotspot (wifirouter.apk) if using a third party or my preference, google wireless tether apk. Since you're unlimited you must be using a non verizon app. I recommend
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.googlecode.android.wifi.tether&hl=en
Press menu and settings, set the device profile to HTC Rezound LTE/CDMA. Change setup method to netd-ndc master. Scroll down near the bottom and check to enable the routing fix. That's three settings total that you should have touched. Now grant root permissions when you press the big yellow start tethering button and give it a few minutes.
Verizon typically does not throttle connections (whether tethering or not) unless you are specifically abusing your connection. I have unlimited, and typically use at least 50 GB of data per billing cycle and have not experienced any sort of throttling.
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Verizon typically does not throttle connections (whether tethering or not) unless you are specifically abusing your connection. I have unlimited, and typically use at least 50 GB of data per billing cycle and have not experienced any sort of throttling.
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This is partially only true if ur in on a congested cell site.
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MicroMod777 said:
This is partially only true if ur in on a congested cell site.
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Yes, this is true, though I didn't mention it since it happens so rarely.
Verizon can throttle you if you're tethering on their 3g network....by FCC law they cannot on the 4G network.
The OP was most likely in a 3g area since he went from 1.4mb to 700 kb...I'm pretty sure no one gets 1.4gig on even LTE lol
I believe Verizon's official 3g throttling policy is something to the effect if you are in the top 5% of data users and are on 3g on a cell tower that is congested or during "rush hour"so to speak, they will/reserve the right to throttle your 3g connection.
use a user agent switcher when you tether and they will never know its not your phone so you will bypass any type of throttle
i dont know anything about mac's but firefox and chrome have a user agent switcher that you can set on android (mobile sites) or opera for normal (full site) web browsing, gl nawmsayn
hyphydragon said:
use a user agent switcher when you tether and they will never know its not your phone so you will bypass any type of throttle
i dont know anything about mac's but firefox and chrome have a user agent switcher that you can set on android (mobile sites) or opera for normal (full site) web browsing, gl nawmsayn
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Pretty sure this is bad information. User Agent just tells the website what browser you are using so the page can be displayed properly for you. Changing your user agent in Chrome won't affect your streaming of movies in Netflix.
Hi all, I'm the OP, thank you all for your advice. I apologize I had forgotten to mention that my phone is not rooted.
From what I can gather, I was on a congested network (Midtown New York City), so that was probably the source of my poor data speeds. What bugs me is that I had 5 bars on 4G and my speed for first 15-30 seconds were around the 1.4gbps mark. So I can't help but wonder if VZW intentionally throttles down data usage on a congested 4G network, which I believe someone above had mentioned could be the case.
In any case, I'm back on the West Coast and my data speeds are back to a consistent "normal".
kampana said:
Hi all, I'm the OP, thank you all for your advice. I apologize I had forgotten to mention that my phone is not rooted.
From what I can gather, I was on a congested network (Midtown New York City), so that was probably the source of my poor data speeds. What bugs me is that I had 5 bars on 4G and my speed for first 15-30 seconds were around the 1.4gbps mark. So I can't help but wonder if VZW intentionally throttles down data usage on a congested 4G network, which I believe someone above had mentioned could be the case.
In any case, I'm back on the West Coast and my data speeds are back to a consistent "normal".
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1.4 gbps? Check again lawl
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wakkadojo said:
1.4 gbps? Check again lawl
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sorry about that, it.s 1.4mbps
kampana said:
sorry about that, it.s 1.4mbps
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If your on lte there's something wrong. I literally havent seen anything under 10 on this phone, and that was with 1 bar.
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I'm out in long island. I easily get 30 mbps and 10 mbps
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kampana said:
Hi all, I'm the OP, thank you all for your advice. I apologize I had forgotten to mention that my phone is not rooted.
From what I can gather, I was on a congested network (Midtown New York City), so that was probably the source of my poor data speeds. What bugs me is that I had 5 bars on 4G and my speed for first 15-30 seconds were around the 1.4gbps mark. So I can't help but wonder if VZW intentionally throttles down data usage on a congested 4G network, which I believe someone above had mentioned could be the case.
In any case, I'm back on the West Coast and my data speeds are back to a consistent "normal".
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You do NOT have bars of data, the 'bars' are a visual reference in regards to the signal strength of the cellular connection NOT your data connection.
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bakemcbride21 said:
Verizon can throttle you if you're tethering on their 3g network....by FCC law they cannot on the 4G network.
The OP was most likely in a 3g area since he went from 1.4mb to 700 kb...I'm pretty sure no one gets 1.4gig on even LTE lol
I believe Verizon's official 3g throttling policy is something to the effect if you are in the top 5% of data users and are on 3g on a cell tower that is congested or during "rush hour"so to speak, they will/reserve the right to throttle your 3g connection.
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See how that's supposedly working out with other provisions set forth by the c block agreement. I'm sure they can, do and will continue to due what ever it is they deem necessary to keep their network secure.
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CharliesTheMan said:
Did you uninstall TetheringGuard.apk and Verizon Mobile Hotspot (wifirouter.apk) if using a third party or my preference, google wireless tether apk. Since you're unlimited you must be using a non verizon app. I recommend
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.googlecode.android.wifi.tether&hl=en
Press menu and settings, set the device profile to HTC Rezound LTE/CDMA. Change setup method to netd-ndc master. Scroll down near the bottom and check to enable the routing fix. That's three settings total that you should have touched. Now grant root permissions when you press the big yellow start tethering button and give it a few minutes.
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How do you UN install the tetheringguard.apk and the Verizon hot spot? I've been running Wi-Fi tether for a while now since I rooted my DNA and all of a sudden tonight it stopped working....wondering if this is the problem
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I just delete them using a file explorer app out of /system/app. Should be good to go
ibsk8 said:
You do NOT have bars of data, the 'bars' are a visual reference in regards to the signal strength of the cellular connection NOT your data connection.
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I have always wondered that, lol. Out of curiosity, does anyone have problems with 4g/3g switching like crazy? I am guessing that it is giving 3g priority. I have 4g available in my current area, however, my phone only wants to stay on 3g and will sometimes just flash onto 4g for a few minutes..
peejay09 said:
I just delete them using a file explorer app out of /system/app. Should be good to go
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Tried that last night but didn't work...I think it's because I'm still S-On damn it guess I will have to finally go S-Off
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Yeah go for it. No reason to not be s-off if you're on the 1.x firmware. Its not like on the rezound where you had to short out pins using a wire to get s-off haha good times