I understand this is a UI preview, but will the full build be completly linux and use a linux kernel? I really don't want it to use anything Andrtoid related, otherwise it wouldn't truely be linux. :/
They have said they are only doing it at the start for compatibility.
And technically android is full Linux and therefore Ubuntu is now.
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I understand this is a UI preview, but will the full build be completly linux and use a linux kernel? I really don't want it to use anything Andrtoid related, otherwise it wouldn't truely be linux. :/
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Hello,
To be honest, both Android and Ubuntu are both Linux based Distributions and both use a Linux kernel. In fact, both distributions branch from the same Linux source tree.
With this said, the touch preview uses the CyanogenMod 10.0 Android fork as a base. Ubuntu is ran inside of a chroot, This means that they are both using a shared kernel.
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I understand this is a UI preview, but will the full build be completly linux and use a linux kernel? I really don't want it to use anything Andrtoid related, otherwise it wouldn't truely be linux. :/
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you dont like android ? they both from linux
I think the confusion here is that when most people who have used a Linux system in the past, prior to Android or didn't know that Android used the Linux kernel, they were actually using GNU/Linux, so they think that is what Linux is. Some people may even mix up that the X server is also a part of Linux.
But Android isn't GNU/Linux so when some one says 'Linux distro', they are probably thinking of a GNU/Linux distro, like Debian, Slackware, Fedora, Ubuntu, Red Hat, Mint, etc, and not just an OS that also happens to have the Linux Kernel in it.
So the title of this post probably should have been GNU/Linux or Android.
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They have said they are only doing it at the start for compatibility.
And technically android is full Linux and therefore Ubuntu is now.
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android is java+linux and ubuntu is fully linux it's big differece
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android is java+linux and ubuntu is fully linux it's big differece
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I think you are confusing linux and bsd.
http://m.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-differences-between-linux-and-bsd/1709
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In summary- android IS Linux. All the extra stuff you are used to calling Linux is just.... Extra stuff. Linux IS the kernel.
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I think you are confusing linux and bsd.
http://m.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-differences-between-linux-and-bsd/1709
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In summary- android IS Linux. All the extra stuff you are used to calling Linux is just.... Extra stuff. Linux IS the kernel.
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By that logic, technically, Android isn't Linux (since Android isn't a Kernel), rather Android uses Linux.
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By that logic, technically, Android isn't Linux (since Android isn't a Kernel), rather Android uses Linux.
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That would also mean ubuntu isn't Linux
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That would also mean ubuntu isn't Linux
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Exactly, ubuntu isn't Linux, it is GNU/Linux meaning it runs the Linux kernel (Just like android does), and contains the GNU utilities and software that make the system usable. Android is also GNU/Linux, but android has less GNU software and most "apps" are run using dalvik. So really ubuntu and Linux are both running "Linux Kernel" but aren't just Linux. Pure Linux would just be the kernel as Linux isn't an OS.
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That would also mean ubuntu isn't Linux
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And that is why they are called Linux distribution.
And even calling Android a distribution is kind of a loose definition of what a distribution is and was. It used to be a long time ago that a distribution was intending to distribute Linux, which the only way Linux would be useful is to also have several applications and modules that make a useable operating system, that is what a distribution was. Android doesn't exactly fit that, users are not even really aware of or deal with Linux related things, although some of the apps they use may access parts of the file system (sysfs, procfs, etc), and users can install software that gives them access also. And it could be argued too though that Ubuntu doesn't exactly fit this either, since there are not stripped down versions and they are starting to force dominance of certain packages, but they still allow for low level access.
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This is what Richard Stallman has to say:
http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html#linuxsyswithoutgnu
Are there complete Linux systems without GNU? (#linuxsyswithoutgnu)
There are complete systems that contain Linux and not GNU; Android is an example. But it is a mistake to call them “Linux” systems.
Android is very different from the GNU/Linux system—because it contains very little of the GNU system, only Linux. Overall, it's a different system. If you call the whole system “Linux”, you will find it necessary to say things like, “Android contains Linux, but it isn't Linux, because it doesn't have the usual Linux [sic] libraries and utilities [meaning the GNU system].” Android contains just as much of Linux as GNU/Linux does. What it doesn't have is the GNU system. Android replaces that with Google software that works quite differently. Thus, what makes Android different is the lack of GNU.
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Exactly, ubuntu isn't Linux, it is GNU/Linux meaning it runs the Linux kernel (Just like android does), and contains the GNU utilities and software that make the system usable. Android is also GNU/Linux, but android has less GNU software and most "apps" are run using dalvik. So really ubuntu and Linux are both running "Linux Kernel" but aren't just Linux. Pure Linux would just be the kernel as Linux isn't an OS.
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And that is why they are called Linux distribution.
And even calling Android a distribution is kind of a loose definition of what a distribution is and was. It used to be a long time ago that a distribution was intending to distribute Linux, which the only way Linux would be useful is to also have several applications and modules that make a useable operating system, that is what a distribution was. Android doesn't exactly fit that, users are not even really aware of or deal with Linux related things, although some of the apps they use may access parts of the file system (sysfs, procfs, etc), and users can install software that gives them access also. And it could be argued too though that Ubuntu doesn't exactly fit this either, since there are not stripped down versions and they are starting to force dominance of certain packages, but they still allow for low level access.
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This is what Richard Stallman has to say:
http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html#linuxsyswithoutgnu
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I didn't read your u guys comment fully it's like 1 a.m here but anyways my comment was just show that people often use the word Linux loosely when referring to any Linux based operating system they'll call ubuntu Linux but then when it comes android not so because it's further off the tree and not pure Linux but the only pure Linux OS is well Linux (and yes Linux is an operating system though only command line that's all u need to constitute a OS) so I was just pointing out that this is a bit confusing it makes more sense when you refer to a Linux based OS as a distro but that's kinda hazy if simply using the kernel = distro then android is a distro but then same problem as b4 it's further off the tree so then does it mean it isn't a distro because of that which is actually due to differences with mobile phone hardware but we're taking about the os anyways I was just pointing out that this isn't very black and white
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To rephrase the question: Will the apps and system functions use languages other than java? In desktop Ubuntu, there was a wide assortment of languages the could be compiled and run as scripts. Will we see the same multi-language support on the full mobile distributions?
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To rephrase the question: Will the apps and system functions use languages other than java?
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They already do...QML
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To rephrase the question: Will the apps and system functions use languages other than java? In desktop Ubuntu, there was a wide assortment of languages the could be compiled and run as scripts. Will we see the same multi-language support on the full mobile distributions?
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It's hard to be completely certain what Canonical will do, but it is very likely it will support multiple languages.
Technically you can build applications on Android in any language you want provided there is a native runtime module or the language compiles to native libraries, but Java always sits in the middle.
From what I have seen with Ubuntu Touch, Java is not even included by default, I saw it pull openjdk when I installed Eclipse, and that Java is not even the same as the one Android uses.
Currently the only API that draws to the display is Qt5 and QML, other APIs like GTK+ and even Qt4 try to use an X server which doesn't exist currently, although you can route to a remote x server and display applications remotely.
But in terms of language support I've tested c, c++, JavaScript, python, bash scripts and java, and I'm almost certain perl will work. Again the problem is though, if they don't have Qt5 bindings they can only display on a remote x server or in a remotely connected terminal and not on the device.
1) Linux is not, I repeat, NOT an operating system. It's a kernel, which is the core coding which an operating system is based around. The kernel acts as a medium between software and hardware.
2) Ubuntu, Android, Fedora, Arch, WebOS , and etcetera are not Linux. They are Linux based operating systems that are built upon the Linux kernel.
3) BSD, Free BSD, Mac OS X+, iOS, and Solaris are all UNIX based operating systems. Linux is a clone of the UNIX kernel.
4) The GUI is not part of Linux. X server is a back end for the X11 window service. And is not included in the core kernel itself.
5) I like tacos.
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I didn't read your u guys comment fully it's like 1 a.m here but anyways my comment was just show that people often use the word Linux loosely when referring to any Linux based operating system they'll call ubuntu Linux but then when it comes android not so because it's further off the tree and not pure Linux
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Android is pure linux, with a google init system, rather than a GNU one..
but the only pure Linux OS is well Linux (and yes Linux is an operating system though only command line that's all u need to constitute an OS)
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What you are "seeing" when you refer to a comand line is almost enitrely made up of GNU coreutils(bash, ls, cd, rm, cp) running on a linux kernel. Linux is NOT an OS.
so I was just pointing out that this is a bit confusing it makes more sense when you refer to a Linux based OS as a distro but that's kinda hazy if simply using the kernel = distro then android is a distro but then same problem as b4 it's further off the tree so then does it mean it isn't a distro because of that which is actually due to differences with mobile phone hardware but we're taking about the os anyways I was just pointing out that this isn't very black and white
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A "distro" is usually made up of: The kernel (linux), the GNU coreutils, a package manager, a Desktop Environment, and some integrated applications. "linux" is a kernel. You can replace the kernel with any other compatible kernel, as Arch/HURD, Debian/kFreeBSD, and Arch/BSD have proven. Don't confuse linux with GNU/Linux.
Android is merely a distribution of liunx with a different set of coreutils, tablet based applications, and the play store as a package manager, and Dalvik VM.
linux is NOT andoperating system.
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Android is pure linux, with a google init system, rather than a GNU one..
What you are "seeing" when you refer to a comand line is almost enitrely made up of GNU coreutils(bash, ls, cd, rm, cp) running on a linux kernel. Linux is NOT an OS.
A "distro" is usually made up of: The kernel (linux), the GNU coreutils, a package manager, a Desktop Environment, and some integrated applications. "linux" is a kernel. You can replace the kernel with any other compatible kernel, as Arch/HURD, Debian/kFreeBSD, and Arch/BSD have proven. Don't confuse linux with GNU/Linux.
Android is merely a distribution of liunx with a different set of coreutils, tablet based applications, and the play store as a package manager, and Dalvik VM.
linux is NOT andoperating system.
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Linux is a
Unix-like computer
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Linux is an operating system --
very much like UNIX -- that has
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Linux is an operating system that
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Linux is an operating system, a
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What is Linux?
Linux is, in simplest terms, an
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1) Linux is not, I repeat, NOT an operating system. It's a kernel, which is the core coding which an operating system is based around. The kernel acts as a medium between software and hardware.
2) Ubuntu, Android, Fedora, Arch, WebOS , and etcetera are not Linux. They are Linux based operating systems that are built upon the Linux kernel.
3) BSD, Free BSD, Mac OS X+, iOS, and Solaris are all UNIX based operating systems. Linux is a clone of the UNIX kernel.
4) The GUI is not part of Linux. X server is a back end for the X11 window service. And is not included in the core kernel itself.
5) I like tacos.
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Hey All,
I'm curious about compiling a native Linux app for the Nexus One, and wondering what the best way is to go about it in Ubuntu. I found this link for the G1:
http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Compiling_for_Android
Since the Snapdragon is also ARM I'm assuming this will work, but is there a decent way to do this on Ubuntu or is my best bet to install Debian in Virtualbox and compile it there?
Thanks,
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Hey All,
I'm curious about compiling a native Linux app for the Nexus One, and wondering what the best way is to go about it in Ubuntu. I found this link for the G1:
http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Compiling_for_Android
Since the Snapdragon is also ARM I'm assuming this will work, but is there a decent way to do this on Ubuntu or is my best bet to install Debian in Virtualbox and compile it there?
Thanks,
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There's a certain amount of vagueness associated with your generalized request.
That said ... ubuntu is sooo very very closely related to debian in the linux fam!
Almost all things described in the link your reference will carry-over/hold-true in ubuntu as they are stated in debian.
But ... the real kicker is the specific app you're trying to compile.
Depending on what the app you want to build depends on ... will determine your overall success. While the reference posted link is insightful, you must understand the need to link against libraries being used. Many of these libraries (at least the basic 'c' ones) you'll find in the AOSP code in android's git repo.
I would suggest taking a look at the "external" projects found in the AOSP code to see how they utilize the makefile setup and build-environment and how they leverage bionic and others to build against.
The way those projects build out, would be essentially what you're looking for .. (I assume) again, I state this without knowing the specific app you have in mind.
Hope that helps.
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How well would a linux disto made for desktop PCs work with touch screen mouse inputs and no keboard support? (im assuming the Android VK doesnt work when you press on a textbox in a Linux Emulator)
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Sorry, I should have been more specific - by Linux native I didn't mean any app in particular, I just meant not a java Android app. I'm really just looking to compile a HelloWorld in C and run it at the shell on the Nexus at this point.
My main concern with the link I posted is that although Ubuntu is based on Debian, Ubuntu does not maintain an ARM version, and the package mentioned in that tutorial is not included in Ubuntu because of this.
So I'm just wondering if anyone has come up with a good solution for compiling for the Nexus in Ubuntu, or if I'm better off installing Debian in a virtual machine.
Thanks,
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http://android-tricks.blogspot.com/2009/02/hello-world-c-program-on-using-android.html
I think this is more of what I was looking for, I'll build AOSP and try out the agcc script.
-Dan
Another idea: find the Android source wherever Google hides it, I have forgotten, sorry! But they give instructions for setting up a whole ARM cross-compiling environment on x86/x64 Ubuntu, and as I recall, it was really easy, quick and automatic! (so easy, I did it just so I could compile some ARM apps myself, I really didn't need to compile Android, I don't build phones! )
After that, you too should be able to compile your own apps into native ARM binaries.
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Sorry, I should have been more specific - by Linux native I didn't mean any app in particular, I just meant not a java Android app. I'm really just looking to compile a HelloWorld in C and run it at the shell on the Nexus at this point.
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To do this, you need a version of the ARM tools appropriate for your platform and then use them for building a static binary for Linux. You can find such tools at CodeSourcery (http://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm). Given that you sound like you have Ubuntu, then the Linux version from this page, http://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/[email protected]=lite, would be what you want. The key is to use the --static parm when you build the binary.
From there, just get your binary over onto the target and run it from the command shell.
Remember that static binaries are HUGE. They have to include all library functions linked in.
If you are looking for tiny binaries, look into the NDK and use the BUILD_EXECUTABLE rule for Android.mk.
A few more useful links, but not much that hasn't already been stated in previously referenced links:
http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/13/android-native-apps
http://honeypod.blogspot.com/2007/12/dynamically-linked-hello-world-for.html
http://honeypod.blogspot.com/2007/12/initialize-libc-for-android.html
hello, I was wondering, since Android is based on linux, if we can install a full version of Firefox (Linux version) on the tab. Does anyone know if this is possible?
I've never seen anyone run any linux apps in Android. That would surely be something we'd see if it were possible. I don't know the technical reasons why it isn't, but I'm pretty sure you can't.
You can't install desktop Firefox because much of the required software is missnig, all the UI stuff of regular Linux distro's aren't in Android, stuff like the X windows system, KDE or Gnome, and probably a bunch of other libraries.
The Linux portion of Android handles really low level stuff like file permissions, talking with the hardware, memory management but really nothing to do with the user experience.
you could just run ubuntu through chroot. it works okay.
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I've never seen anyone run any linux apps in Android. That would surely be something we'd see if it were possible. I don't know the technical reasons why it isn't, but I'm pretty sure you can't.
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Commandline stuff with few library dependencies can be ported fairly easily - busybox, bash, etc.
Graphical stuff - not nearly as easy as that depends on graphics toolkits not present in Android.
People forget that Linux is just the kernel. As you increase the number of abstraction layers used by software, Linux as implemented by Android and Linux as implemented by most desktop distros diverge more and more.
Will a linux based rom ever come up for galaxy ace with kernel version 3.2 ? the custom roms are all being based on gingerbread and ics roms. a linux based one will add some variety. themed roms are not good enough.
Android is optimized for our screens, as well as for a touch screen interface. Trying to port Linux OS to ace is just a waste of effort.
I guess Android is a modified version of Linux ...!!
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Someone did boot Ace with Ubuntu but it's just not feasible.
Android is a GUI running on a modified Linux kernel.
A "Linux OS (Linux Distribution)" is a GUI running on a stock or modified Linux kernel.
there is another OS called MeeGo built on linux kernel and meant for mobile phones(not android). Currently used for nokia n9 and n950, but completely open source. also supports ARM architecture.
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there is another OS called MeeGo built on linux kernel and meant for mobile phones(not android). Currently used for nokia n9 and n950, but completely open source. also supports ARM architecture.
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Interesting ...!!
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Farther more LINUX MINT devs are preparing a mobile os to compete with ANDROID.
But unfotunately they are targeting TEGRA2 chipsets for better HW acceleration.
Cyanogenmod is still not the " best alternative " but the " only alternative " to gingerbread.
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Interesting ...!!
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Check this out
http://pokylinux.org/
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http://wiki.maemo.org/Alternative_operating_systems
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Farther more LINUX MINT devs are preparing a mobile os to compete with ANDROID.
But unfotunately they are targeting TEGRA2 chipsets for better HW acceleration.
Cyanogenmod is still not the " best alternative " but the " only alternative " to gingerbread.
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I hope its still full featured and they are just rewriting the compatibility code and that would in turn mean ubuntu aswell
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and linux is nothing more than a gui for unix kernel....
Hello guys, before the question, i am sorry if i am little english. i look some website that running Ubuntu on Android Device.
I am sorry i am new user in this site, so i can't using outside links in this posting, but you will find if you search on google about this.
i have some question about this case:
1. i am using Samsung Galaxy S Wifi 4.0 a.k.a Samsung YP-G1CW/XSE what ubuntu can running on my device?
2. How with OS Windows? what windows can running on my Device? Windows XP may be, or Windows 7..
Please Help me, i need to running other OS on my Android Device.. Thank's Before for your answer
There are two ways to run another OS on your device: chroot and qemu. You can run Ubuntu (or any Linux distribution that supports ARM processors) with little effort using the chroot method. Look up "Ubuntu installer free" in the store and it will walk you through. It may not work on the stock kernel, so make sure you have the kernel from these forums that fits your device.
The only way to run an OS like Windows is by virtualization through qemu, because it doesn't natively support the chip in your Galaxy S Wifi. This method requires a version of qemu compiled for ARM and additional libraries, which I have not gotten to work successfully on this device. (Anyone else?)
So I'd suggest just trying to get Ubuntu running. It won't be very fast or easy to use on a device that small, but it will work.
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Mevordel said:
There are two ways to run another OS on your device: chroot and qemu. You can run Ubuntu (or any Linux distribution that supports ARM processors) with little effort using the chroot method. Look up "Ubuntu installer free" in the store and it will walk you through. It may not work on the stock kernel, so make sure you have the kernel from these forums that fits your device.
The only way to run an OS like Windows is by virtualization through qemu, because it doesn't natively support the chip in your Galaxy S Wifi. This method requires a version of qemu compiled for ARM and additional libraries, which I have not gotten to work successfully on this device. (Anyone else?)
So I'd suggest just trying to get Ubuntu running. It won't be very fast or easy to use on a device that small, but it will work.
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Thanks Very much for your solution, i will try search, qemu method or chroot methode.. hope i will can do it, because i am new for it. i am not a developer, or programmer. i just want to know more about gad-get
so thanks a lot.
So i been developing actual apps for about 6 months, and want to get into customizing rooms, so i see that alot of you guys use cygwin, a virtual machine or linux and wanted to know if its really worth it running linux natively instead of a vm or cygwin...
if yes, then whats the general opinion on linux vs osx?
I have definitely used all three with good success. If you are RAM limited on your machine, skip the virtual machine option since you need enough RAM to run your base OS and the VM separately. One advantage to running linux natively is that you are forced to think in the linux world, which for an Android behind the curtain point of view is closer to the mentality you need. You might learn some good stuff familiarizing yourself with linux that later applies to your Android exploits!
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So i been developing actual apps for about 6 months, and want to get into customizing rooms, so i see that alot of you guys use cygwin, a virtual machine or linux and wanted to know if its really worth it running linux natively instead of a vm or cygwin...
if yes, then whats the general opinion on linux vs osx?
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I'm using win7 with andLinux installed. Unfortunately andLinux is based on Ubuntu 9.04 so I can't use most toolchains built on newer distro because they need newer versions of glibc.
So I'm forced to use CodeSourcery's toolchain which uses it's own glibc.