[Q] Updatin Version and changing Rom - Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hello everyone .
I don't know what to do . I am sitting a lot , trying to update my version (4.0.3) to 4.2.1. Also, i am looking for a stable Rom with working GPS.
Do i have to update my version in oder to put a Rom that based on a newer Version?
I got Ics Passion v13 with 3.1.10-ICS Passion Kernel.
I tried to update from Kies but it doesn't recognize my Phone (There is no option in the ICS ROM to put the USB connection in Kies mode )
I really need help - how to update the version and what Kind of Rom and Kernel are the bests in your opinion ?
Thanks for helping =]
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eranshani2 said:
Hello everyone .
I don't know what to do . I am sitting a lot , trying to update my version (4.0.3) to 4.2.1. Also, i am looking for a stable Rom with working GPS.
Do i have to update my version in oder to put a Rom that based on a newer Version?
I got Ics Passion v13 with 3.1.10-ICS Passion Kernel.
I tried to update from Kies but it doesn't recognize my Phone (There is no option in the ICS ROM to put the USB connection in Kies mode )
I really need help - how to update the version and what Kind of Rom and Kernel are the bests in your opinion ?
Thanks for helping =]
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You can try the new AOKP build. Vibrantmtd is once supported again instructions for installing the rom are listed in the thread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2208126.
As far as GPS is concerned it is either a hit or miss...might work or it might not. Unfortunately I am not able to test it since my vibrant is bricked
But I can tell you that AOKP is an excellent rom I been using it for nearly a year now since I bought my Galaxy Nexus. It is far much better than ICS passion in every aspect. Never had any problems with it.
As for the kernel I can't really say which one I would recommend since I honestly can't ever recall flashing a kernel for my vibrant...I've always used the kernels that are included in the ROM(S).
Just remember to backup your apps...because you will lose them in the process since this is not an update...it is more of an upgrade(4.0.3 to 4.2.2).
Good luck and feel free to ask any more questions.

Merio90 said:
You can try the new AOKP build. Vibrantmtd is once supported again instructions for installing the rom are listed in the thread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2208126.
As far as GPS is concerned it is either a hit or miss...might work or it might not. Unfortunately I am not able to test it since my vibrant is bricked
But I can tell you that AOKP is an excellent rom I been using it for nearly a year now since I bought my Galaxy Nexus. It is far much better than ICS passion in every aspect. Never had any problems with it.
As for the kernel I can't really say which one I would recommend since I honestly can't ever recall flashing a kernel for my vibrant...I've always used the kernels that are included in the ROM(S).
Just remember to backup your apps...because you will lose them in the process since this is not an update...it is more of an upgrade(4.0.3 to 4.2.2).
Good luck and feel free to ask any more questions.
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Thank you for the answer , So just to be sure . . the AOKP build will upgrade my phone to 4.2.2 ? or first i have to upgrade to 4.2.2 and only then the Rom will work?

eranshani2 said:
Thank you for the answer , So just to be sure . . the AOKP build will upgrade my phone to 4.2.2 ? or first i have to upgrade to 4.2.2 and only then the Rom will work?
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The ROM will update you straight to 4.2.2. I don't think you need to be on 4.1 to update or any other version for that matter. Just flash the ROM through recovery and you should be good to go. Good luck.

You can use my cyanaosp build which is reported to have good gos from many users http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2167819
Or you can use my rootbox port which also has great gps http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2167857
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Merio90 said:
The ROM will update you straight to 4.2.2. I don't think you need to be on 4.1 to update or any other version for that matter. Just flash the ROM through recovery and you should be good to go. Good luck.
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Finally i had time to do the upgarde. Unfortunately i tried to flash the Rom but it says eror.... Before the step of Flashing the rom, in the guide has been written that i have to wipe system... but i didn't find this option.... What should i do now ?

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I'm new to s2

Heys guy I just brought a S2 and it will arrive in 4 more days, been using a x10i and has been rooting and installing custom rom.
Now I'm new to S2, any thing in particular that I should know?
What is the Original Android Development and the Android Development difference?
Which is the some of the recommended ROM (no bugs, don't want MIUI) since there's really a lot custom rom compared to my previous x10i.
And one more question, what is the price of the HDTV Adapter? Can I connect S2 to a just HD ready tv with hdmi port? Or it must be a full HD tv?
gohwh1 said:
Now I'm new to S2, any thing in particular that I should know?
What is the Original Android Development and the Android Development difference?
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Original android is supposed to be ASOP tweaks/roms whereäs the other has to do with touchwiz (I believe, but then again I've seen threads crossposted in the wrong section all the time). As for ROMs, I would personally stay far away from the ICS ROMs because they're nowhere near ready for daily use; there are many bugs and problems. When looking through firmwares there's no difference between XW and XX other than the countries that the ROM was released into, you can still flash these ROMs for use anywhere in the world. Personally I'm using XXKK5 because KL1 and above are developer builds with inconsistent framework changes. CheckROM KK5 is what I suggest for a stable ROM that works good. I also highly recommend JKay deluxe. CM7 is also an option, but I personally had problems with charging and was forced off the ROM. Your mileäge may vary. Also there are a ton of radio firmwares available: try out the latest revision and take note of your battery usage over a few days. Try others to see which works best for you. There's no real "golden" radio firmware. I personally use KH3 on AT&T in Phoenix.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1154278&highlight=jkay+lockscreen
gohwh1 said:
Heys guy I just brought a S2 and it will arrive in 4 more days, been using a x10i and has been rooting and installing custom rom.
Now I'm new to S2, any thing in particular that I should know?
What is the Original Android Development and the Android Development difference?
Which is the some of the recommended ROM (no bugs, don't want MIUI) since there's really a lot custom rom compared to my previous x10i.
And one more question, what is the price of the HDTV Adapter? Can I connect S2 to a just HD ready tv with hdmi port? Or it must be a full HD tv?
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If you wanna to try ICS ROMs, I will suggest you try simplistic. Now I use it as daily rom and I feel it's good enough.
And if you want to use HDTC Adapter , I suggest you stay in Stock Rom first. As I know, most custom roms don't support HDMI output.
There are no recommended roms. Try some out for yourself & see how you find them. A rom that works well for me will not necessarily give you the same experience.
for my opinion i suggest you flash cm7
but if like the intersting things,just flash cm7/andyX
rexxon said:
If you wanna to try ICS ROMs, I will suggest you try simplistic. Now I use it as daily rom and I feel it's good enough.
And if you want to use HDTC Adapter , I suggest you stay in Stock Rom first. As I know, most custom roms don't support HDMI output.
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i'am using simplistic latest version, but i have problem with lockscreen, there aren't any lockscreen , from slide to face unlock, all are not work. I have tried to get someone to call to my phone but that only solves the problem of not-working-home-button. Any susgesttion for my problem?
tuan0saker said:
i'am using simplistic latest version, but i have problem with lockscreen, there aren't any lockscreen , from slide to face unlock, all are not work. I have tried to get someone to call to my phone but that only solves the problem of not-working-home-button. Any susgesttion for my problem?
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Yes revert to stock rom and dont look back .
jje
tuan0saker said:
i'am using simplistic latest version, but i have problem with lockscreen, there aren't any lockscreen , from slide to face unlock, all are not work. I have tried to get someone to call to my phone but that only solves the problem of not-working-home-button. Any susgesttion for my problem?
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Have you tried wiping and reinstalling the ROM
Ricey
wait for cm9, i've tried the devel vers and is very fast!
Just a suggestion
Hiya! Well, since you haven't got your phone yet, I would suggest you play around with your stock ROM first. The Original Android Development is for AOSP ROMs, ROMs that were created from scratch. The Android Development section is for custom tweaked versions of the stock ROM if I'm not mistaken.
I'm currently using Simplistic ICS but it has its fair share of bugs. You might wanna try insanity ii. It's a nice AOSP ROM. Never had FC's and it's amazingly fast and battery life is great. Good luck!
Hi bud, good choice of phone. If you want best standard ginger bread go to original development and flash intratech KK5 original Sammy ROM it's seamless!!!
Or, like me and you want to jump into ICS go to www.darkyrom.com and flash facieto's ICS LP2 THEN on top of that, upgrade to his LP6! Came out this week and it's seamless and crash free, all works!
tuan0saker said:
i'am using simplistic latest version, but i have problem with lockscreen, there aren't any lockscreen , from slide to face unlock, all are not work. I have tried to get someone to call to my phone but that only solves the problem of not-working-home-button. Any susgesttion for my problem?
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try rewipe and reinstall ?
As I know, to get someone call your phone just solve the home-button issues.
I never met lock screen problem. I am using RC5 + Update 2 , try this combination. Also remember , don't directly flash update package after installation. Following these steps: Install RC5 - (reboot) - Install Update 1 - (reboot) - Install Update 2 - (reboot) - Call from others phone to unlock home button.
Hope this help. Good Luck , bro.
after you have root download k tool right away and backup efs, it could savr your ass some day
Sent from my GT-I9100 using XDA App
Is it only the stock rom support HDMI output, all custom rom doesn't support?
Or is there any custom rom that is based on stock rom and also does support HDMI output?
Is this the latest method to root S2? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1103399
And how long do i have to charge S2 for the very first time?
gohwh1 said:
Is it only the stock rom support HDMI output, all custom rom doesn't support?
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Stock ROM, or any ROM based on stock. It needs the Samsung framework. So nothing that is pure AOSP (such as CM or MIUI) will work. If you want a ROM that is as close to AOSP as possible that still supports the MHL adapter, try GingerMOD.
gohwh1 said:
Or is there any custom rom that is based on stock rom and also does support HDMI output?
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See above, but there are many others. I don't personally use any of them (I'm still on stock, rooted, modded myself), so I can't recommend one above any others. It's a personal preference anyways, so you should just try some and decide yourself.
gohwh1 said:
Is this the latest method to root S2? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1103399
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It is one of many methods, and one that I can personally vouch that it works, as I've used it before. Just use the correct insecure kernel for your build.
gohwh1 said:
And how long do i have to charge S2 for the very first time?
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..... Til it hits 100%?
ctomgee said:
Stock ROM, or any ROM based on stock. It needs the Samsung framework. So nothing that is pure AOSP (such as CM or MIUI) will work. If you want a ROM that is as close to AOSP as possible that still supports the MHL adapter, try GingerMOD.
See above, but there are many others. I don't personally use any of them (I'm still on stock, rooted, modded myself), so I can't recommend one above any others. It's a personal preference anyways, so you should just try some and decide yourself.
It is one of many methods, and one that I can personally vouch that it works, as I've used it before. Just use the correct insecure kernel for your build.
..... Til it hits 100%?
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Thanks what I'm asking is I thought I have to charge 8hours or 10hours on first charge or it's not required?
If I stay stock, and install custom kernel will it still support hdmi to tv?
Which is the most stable kernel that also include undervolting? You recommended insecure kernel, what about the others three?
[KERNEL] SpeedMod SGS2 [K2-20 CWM5 CIFS ROOT]
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1182498&highlight=root
[KERNEL] Insecure Kernels for use with rooting
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1101671&highlight=kernel
[KERNEL] SiyahKernel v2.6.11 - "One kernel to rule them all" (SAMMY&AOSP ROMs)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1263838&highlight=root
[KERNEL] Phenomenal [3.0]
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1351191&highlight=kernel
New to s2
Hi
I have come from htc and find the s2 completely different. Managed to upgrade the firmware from 2.3.4 to 2.3.6 using xxKL1 and must say everything run smoothly . Was looking to root using superoneclick and odin . But when i download a rooted kernel and extract the zip , i end up with another zip file, extract that and i end up with a Zimage file .is this the file i am supposed to load into odin.
Bob
Root + CWM .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1103399
jje
Thanks
this is the thread that i followed to update Firmware . Think that i have the right downloads now .Could you tell me ,or point me in the right direction how to install a apk keyboard file on to my S2
Bob
bob277845 said:
Thanks
this is the thread that i followed to update Firmware . Think that i have the right downloads now .Could you tell me ,or point me in the right direction how to install a apk keyboard file on to my S2
Bob
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Copy apk to phone .
Open my files on phone locate apk and open it and install .
jje

[Q] [help]Resurrection Remix ics Rom v9.1

Hi forumer,
I just swipe to this ROM but i found my phone shutdown itself (so far 1 times),my video recording cannot zoom and my bluetooth not working (cannot pair with my laptop and headset, my phone cannot discover them and they also cannot discover my phone,already turn on visible on my phone)
Anyone can help?i would like to post at the westcrip's thread,but my point not enough
well the ics is still in beta stage till samsung launches new official firmware ...
i have tryed a lot of ICS roms, but i'm stil on GB because i need a stable phone for daily use.
I had this problem you just need to wipe the caches partition and dalvic. Then fix permissions.
Sent from my GT-I9100
hi guys thanks for replied,
i have done a full wiped to v9.2, it solved everything for me and now my ICS running smooth
it such a great ROM!
realnormalman said:
hi guys thanks for replied,
i have done a full wiped to v9.2, it solved everything for me and now my ICS running smooth
it such a great ROM!
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It's great to read this, inthe future with this situations follow the advice of chr15j it's good to!
i did a few ICS roms as well but went back to GB, am now on >> PhonandroidRom v1.0- Siyah Kernel -Based MIUI. Pretty stable for me...
this is completely unrelated and i'm an absolute nooblet but I just need a quick answer. I have this rom on my phone but I want to unroot and go back to stock. Am I right in thinking I can just flash a stock samsung gingerbread rom onto the device just using odin and it will unroot it and be fine? Just want to check before I steam ahead and because this is an ICS rom.
Thanks guys.
jakecarberry said:
this is completely unrelated and i'm an absolute nooblet but I just need a quick answer. I have this rom on my phone but I want to unroot and go back to stock. Am I right in thinking I can just flash a stock samsung gingerbread rom onto the device just using odin and it will unroot it and be fine? Just want to check before I steam ahead and because this is an ICS rom.
Thanks guys.
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Yes, you may need to go back to a suitable kernel also. Using Odin should be very easy.
hello
I tried all the roms remis since 8.5
i find remix 9.4 verry good .the main problem is about chainfire kernel which has to be more developped
for ICS roms, I don't find kernels like Siyah or nymphetamine which are good with GB
now we must wait a new version of XXLPH rom
I tried yesterday Remix 9.5 but too much bugs with CWM and I went back to R 9.4
I tried others roms than Remix (omega,Criskelo,CM9,Foxhound) ,I found Foxhound 0.3 good but still more buggy than R9.4 ( cannot synchronize contacts with outlook)
br46
SGS2 with remix 9.4
Well, not only the chainfire kernel has to be more developed, but also all the custom ones...
i especially miss a perfect working siyah and neak one on ics!
hoping the devs are on it already! ^^
Try :Resurrection Remix ics v1.0, it should be out any moment now.....

Should I get the official ICS update or flash CM9 and get ICS ?

Hello,
3 weeks ago,I got a GT-19100G galaxy s2.Pretty happy with it,everything is great except for TW of course So I need advice at whether I should get the official ICS update when its released in march(also thinking about giving the LB leak a try) which will use TW as far as I know or root my phone and flash the CM9 and get andy's costum ICS.Andy's ICS looks pretty nice but I don't wanna root my phone specially that I never rooted any device before(my previous device was nokia n81 8gb LOL).Or maybe I should just wait for the official release and get some sort of ICS themes or something.I'm currently running Android 2.3.6 baseband I9100GDZKK1 and Kernel 2.6.35.7.So what ya think ?
root..flash CM9..after ICS offiaclly released..flash back stock rom and get OTA..easy right??
Would be easy if I knew what the hell is OTA
Edit:Oh,I googled it.Its over the air.Well,why would I root it if I will flash back stock ROM again in 2 weeks ?
Personal view would be wait for ICS then wait for the modders to mod the official release .
jje
Madarox said:
Would be easy if I knew what the hell is OTA
Edit:Oh,I googled it.Its over the air.Well,why would I root it if I will flash back stock ROM again in 2 weeks ?
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OTA = Over The Air
And do which you feel suits you do some more reading each to their own as they say.
JJEgan said:
Personal view would be wait for ICS then wait for the modders to mod the official release .
jje
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I was thinking about that too...I think I'll just do that But just to be on the safe side,is it completely safe to root my phone and install CM9 ? Bcuz my phone is new and if anything happened to it,I'll kill myself.
FYI, the i9100G is not the i9100, therefore ICS leaks and CM9 will not work in your phone. If you do flash CM9 or one of the leaks your phone will be damaged. The i9100G is sort of crippled ROM developement wise from the start due to it's lack of Exynos in favour of some old TI-OMAP. Your only choice is to wait for Samsung to released ICS for your phone.
xethor said:
FYI, the i9100G is not the i9100, therefore ICS leaks and CM9 will not work in your phone.
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Lol,how is that possible ? O-o Does that mean I can't install any custom roms or its just the cm9 ?
Madarox said:
Lol,how is that possible ? O-o Does that mean I can't install any custom roms or its just the cm9 ?
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IIRC, there is only one ROM available for your phone and that is SuperROM (Android 2.0.3). All other ROMs will brick your phone.
That's right. You can only install custom roms that are specifically written for the I9100G. And there aren't many of them. Someone on here said a couple of weeks ago that there are two (don't quote me on it tho).
If you flash a rom meant for any other SGS2 variant, as Xethor said, you run the risk of bricking your phone.
Madarox said:
Lol,how is that possible ? O-o Does that mean I can't install any custom roms or its just the cm9 ?
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xethor said:
FYI, the i9100G is not the i9100, therefore ICS leaks and CM9 will not work in your phone.
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Damn...I had to get it since its the only S2 version available here.Why samsung ? Why would u make different versions of galaxy s2 ??!!! :/ Well I guess I'll just have to depend on launchers.I got Go launcher EX,launcher7 and ADWLauncher.If you by any chance know a nice ICS theme,can u give me the market link ?
At first I also didn't knew the difference between I9100 and I9100G. I bricked my phone by flashing one of the I9100 ROM. Then I figured it out, unbricked it again. And now i'm running SuperROM with ICS Domination v2.0 theme.
I9100G sucks big time, both in hardware and software.
Only four ROM's are available for 'G' variant:
SuperROM
Juffo ROM
Galaxyrom rc4
Darky ROM
Can't believe it took 6 replies for someone to point out to the OP that the G version is different to the International model. Lucky he didn't brick it. So glad the T version is the same except it requires its own modem.
Sent from my GT-I9100T

[Q] what is my atrix 4g status?

Thank you for the answer for the old question.
I want to install http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2167927 this.
I have epinter CM10.1 now.
What I need to do?
Do I need just enter the CWM and wiped everything and then flash the zip file?
or I need to do something more?
OLD:
I rooted my device with some quick root tool. (I don't remember where I found the guild).
I have unlocked my bootloader too. (I don't really remember but I think I made that with a guild from androidadvices. His title is :"How to Unlock Motorola Atrix 4G Mobile Phone")
My device is bought from ORANGE. (I think that I belong to Bell's group of ROMs. not AT&T).
I have flashed CM10 by epinter and then CM10.1 by epinter.
Now I want to give the phone to my little brother and I want to flash a ROM with all the webtop apps and blur apps.
I want a ROM with the minimum bugs. I prefer based of official 2.3.6 ROM
What ROM can you suggest me?
Do I need to do some changes with the phone before wipeing everything in the CWM and flashing ROMs ?
Thanks ahead.
This is based on 2.3.6 and is an updated version of a rom that many of us used for a long time as our daily driver.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2167927
mizaro said:
I rooted my device with some quick root tool. (I don't remember where I found the guild).
I have unlocked my bootloader too. (I don't really remember but I think I made that with a guild from androidadvices. His title is :"How to Unlock Motorola Atrix 4G Mobile Phone")
My device is bought from ORANGE. (I think that I belong to Bell's group of ROMs. not AT&T).
I have flashed CM10 by epinter and then CM10.1 by epinter.
Now I want to give the phone to my little brother and I want to flash a ROM with all the webtop apps and blur apps.
I want a ROM with the minimum bugs. I prefer based of official 2.3.6 ROM
What ROM can you suggest me?
Do I need to do some changes with the phone before wipeing everything in the CWM and flashing ROMs ?
Thanks ahead.
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Nottachtrix for sure will be the best option, there is another v2 version with a lot of things in the installer
coolloser said:
This is based on 2.3.6 and is an updated version of a rom that many of us used for a long time as our daily driver.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2167927
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joelorona said:
Nottachtrix for sure will be the best option, there is another v2 version with a lot of things in the installer
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Wow, The answer is given very quickly and it very good. Thank you both
Do I need to do some changes with the phone before wipeing everything in the CWM and flashing ROMs ?

[Q] Re-romming a Vibrant after 2+ years

I pulled my old Vibrant out of a box and thought I'd try to run a newer version on android on it, but I haven't been about to make heads or tails of the development forum. After 3+ hours of fiddling and 3 or 4 programs downloaded, I'm at a loss. The phone currently has Bali kernel and Bionix-V FishmanMod which I loaded on it in 2011 or 2012 and have no recollection of what I did. :silly:
I think my questions are:
Do I need to revert to stock? Because odin refuses to recognize my phone in download mode. It sees it fine when it is booted normally.
Otherwise, what do I need to do to update the kernel and put kit kat on the phone?
If there's anybody out there, thanks and I tried really really hard and I'm just really confused.
I think it would be best for you to go back to stock first.
1. Make sure that your drivers are properly installed
2. Try different usb ports, reboot computer/phone, different usb cable if Odin won't recognise the phone.
Honestly, going back to stock won't help much. Install a JB rom and or kernel and from there install a kitkat kernel then rom. In that order. Make sure you wipe data and cache completely to make sure there isn't any problems.
epicboy said:
Honestly, going back to stock won't help much. Install a JB rom and or kernel and from there install a kitkat kernel then rom. In that order. Make sure you wipe data and cache completely to make sure there isn't any problems.
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Great timing with this thread. I borked the screen repair on my S4 and need to use my Vibrant again for a while.
ICS Kiss 3.1.10 needs an update.
rBGH said:
Great timing with this thread. I borked the screen repair on my S4 and need to use my Vibrant again for a while.
ICS Kiss 3.1.10 needs an update.
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I was thinking about updating CM7 or CM9. Building with latest sources. I personally had many speed issues with ICZenwich. Is that non-existant on ICS Kiss?
What do you guys think? Should I upload the latest builds of these ancient android versions?
epicboy said:
I was thinking about updating CM7 or CM9. Building with latest sources. I personally had many speed issues with ICZenwich. Is that non-existant on ICS Kiss?
What do you guys think? Should I upload the latest builds of these ancient android versions?
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ICS Kiss does have speed issues. I very much want to update but don't want to go through the plug and chug of finding one I like. If someone can recommend a stable, vanilla, something or other, I'd appreciate it.
I found what I'm looking for. Yea, CM should fit the bill nicely.
rBGH said:
I found what I'm looking for. Yea, CM should fit the bill nicely.
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CM 9 ??????
Babloo1989 said:
CM 9 ??????
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Installing ice cream sandwich will cause the internal sd card to be wiped
I don't think anyone is on cm9 because of that...

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