Let me start this by saying I LOVE the Nexus 10. It's the most comfortable tablet I've used and the screen is just phenomenal, aside from that, the random reboots are really dragging down the experience. I'm sure there still have to be people having these issues, and what are you doing to combat/keep the tablet from rebooting? I've factory reset my device probably 5 times since my purchase in January, and have installed a few ROMs to try and stop them to no avail. I'm currently running CM10.1 with KTManta and are still having crashes daily, if not every 3-4 hours of heavy use. Location services are disabled, and Chrome is nowhere to be found. How many here are still having these issues? I'm just trying to grab a realistic number here for the community. Would those who are having freezes and reboots like to contribute to a global list where we could possibly list all of the applications that we use to see if there is a common ground amongst us? I just hate that this awesome tablet is being placed on the back burner for now with what would appear like no indication of upcoming fixes. I'm sure IO will bring us a more stable version of Android (4.2.2 is pretty awful) but that's still quite a bit away.
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There are two awesome threads that this is being discussed on, one is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998496 the other is a Google thread referenced in that same discussion.
I may have had a comepletely different problem, but a RMA made my N10 go from bad to good experience
Been running 4.2.2 official AOKP with default kernel for the last couple weeks and haven't had 1 freeze/reboot. Battery great also with around 7-8 hours of screen time.
4.2.2 was a huge improvement
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I am currently on a CM10 base and KTManta kernel and I have no reboots or other problems at all. I had been on AOKP PUB for quite a while before this and it was fine too, and before that I was on a really old build of CM10 (4.2.1) for a long time with only a couple issues due to memory leaks that caused a reboot once every few days.
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There are two awesome threads that this is being discussed on, one is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998496 the other is a Google thread referenced in that same discussion.
I may have had a comely different problem, but a RMA made my N10 go from bad to good experience
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Your second device isn't rebooting?
Edit: To OP. I gave up combatting it. Nothing seems to work. It could be an app but when it reboots sometimes every few days that would be hard to troubleshoot. I can swap an app list with you if you want although it may be more beneficial to see those the apps of those with no issues so you could have a starting point?
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I own this device for ~4 weeks now and I haven't had a single reboot, freeze or anything.
Of course I understand that not everybody is this lucky, so I feel sad for you guys but it seems to be more hardware reliant than anything with newer devices not experiencing many problems.
I experienced several reboots a day when I first received my Nexus 10. It was frustrating to use at best. Since the 4.2.2 (I'm running stock with root) upgrade and switching to Chrome beta I no longer have any reboot problems with the same device. I am now able to turn on location awareness without lockups or reboots as well. It's a complete 180.
My wife just bought her own Nexus 10 and hers has never locked up or rebooted spontaneously. Hers is stock, unrooted, and she uses non-beta Chrome.
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Your second device isn't rebooting?
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It is not.
I mentioned it in another thread, but I prefer to charge a units battery 100% full, then run the unit unitl it turns its self off from dead battery. The first two "cycles" on my RMA unit I did that, no problems during either cycle, each cycle was three days long. So then I started to charge it when the battery said 1%, and now I'm up to 302 hours of uptime. There have been no shell reboots during this 302 hours, as I've always been sure to leave an app in "recently used" and its always still there. I've also been using things that previously I would not have, such as Maps, apps that run message in status bar such as "Date In Status Bar HD" etc etc.
But full tech-slanted disclaimer because I know the history of this problem:
-My problem on my original unit 99.9% of the time manifested its self as "sleep of death", a bit different than "the masses"
-On my RMA unit, I've never opened Chrome. Not because I am wanting to use it but avoiding it, rather I only ever want to use one browser per device, and since I need to use Boat for Flash, I run Boat instead
-Similarly, I have not done anything "trying to force a crash" on the unit. For example, I've not run that crash app that dude just posted to the Google thread
-Again related to my personality/thought process: My goal has been "just use the tablet as I normally would" so that DOES include things like surfing the web on Boat for 3 hours at a time, running some lame match-3 games, etc etc. I am NOT sitting in a class all day with the unit open for 8 hour stints, nor am I watching YouTube for hours at a time, nor am I taking 1 hour video recordings on the device. So moderate use, but not "stress testing" use.
Still, the summary of my experience says it all (for me) - Could not consider the original unit dependable in anyway, it almost always was "off" if it was sitting on my desk, whereas now the new unit has not had a single event and I'm about one month into it, every day use... Original unit I noticed the problem within the first 3 days of ownership, but I thought there was a setting I had wrong, then I thought it was a problem that 4.2.2 would fix - both those assessments of my original device were wrong.
One more data point on this - My new unit is the D serial number, my original was the C - but another user here described the EXACT same crap I was dealing with, and his was a D - so I don't think there is an exact match for the possible theory of serial numbers (again in the context of sleep-of-death-manifestation.)
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I've not had one single reboot or freeze with this tablet, I'm on the stock 4.2.2. I have had some apps crash which brings me to my next point... How do your log cats look? They are usually a good starting point when trying to figure out the cause of a crash.
And if you are getting multiple reboots across a spread of roms than it's most likely an app. You need to take the time and figure out which app is causing it. It will be worth it in the long run!
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I mentioned it in another thread, but I prefer to charge a units battery 100% full, then run the unit unitl it turns its self off from dead battery.
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You do that every time? That's not good and definitely not needed with lithium ion batteries.
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I've not had one single reboot or freeze with this tablet, I'm on the stock 4.2.2. I have had some apps crash which brings me to my next point... How do your log cats look? They are usually a good starting point when trying to figure out the cause of a crash.
And if you are getting multiple reboots across a spread of roms than it's most likely an app....
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I think that is the point for the OP but nobody is doing it. Can you guys with no reboots list the apps on your device? That would give the people with reboots a starting point.
I appreciate the input to the thread but (I'll probably get flamed for this) many of the anecdotal responses are not of much value IMHO. You can't really start any troubleshooting with and not trying to single anyone out, 4.2.2 fixed it, my RMA'd device fixed it, beta-chrome works for me, non-beta for the wife, it's hardware, newer ones are better, turn off location services, etc. I have an RMA'd device so it is newer than the first batch. To that point, there is a guy in the thread bigmatty linked where the device is 8 days old. Is it an app? I hope so but with the infrequency of the reboots or seemingly randomness of it it is hard to troubleshoot. AOKP ran for 2 days 9 hours for me then crashed, then crashed again in 5 hours, and now up for 2 days again so far. The thing is they were all when idle so it is really hard to say what happened. One of my logs suggests gtalk loosing connection and rebooting the tablet. The other says nothing "illegal" or anything like that in the logs. Just the activity manager freaks out like every other log and then watchdog kills everything.
So, you guys with perfect N10s why don't you give us an app list so us poor bastards with reboots have a starting point....please
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I think that is the point for the OP but nobody is doing it. Can you guys with no reboots list the apps on your device? That would give the people with reboots a starting point.
So, you guys with perfect N10s why don't you give us an app list so us poor bastards with reboots have a starting point....please
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Look, that's not how troubleshooting works. The easiest and most efficient way is to reset your roms, add one or two apps a day, and keep adding apps till you find the problem. Patience is the key. But once you find the problem you'll be very pleased. Me or anyone else listing apps on our devices will not be meaningful to the problem because you're looking for apps that work, you're looking for ones that don't.
Your starting point is a ROM with no apps.
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You do that every time? That's not good and definitely not needed with lithium ion batteries.
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Well, I've personally done a lot of research into this topic, and no one will ever convince me any other method is as good for the batteries as it is. I've seen the battery discussions on both sides drag on for miles, so not worth discussing really. Just IMHO - ALL batteries can still suffer from memory effect. (Again, seen both sides of that discussion.)
I agree w/ the "top-level-general uncertainty" about these devices and thus the inherent frustrating complexities that rxnelson is talking about. My general opinion on the situation, is - if nothing else, there are some truly defective units in the field now, which further complicates the issue/troubleshooting.
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Look, that's not how troubleshooting works. The easiest and most efficient way is to reset your roms, add one or two apps a day, and keep adding apps till you find the problem. Patience is the key. But once you find the problem you'll be very pleased. Me or anyone else listing apps on our devices will not be meaningful to the problem because you're looking for apps that work, you're looking for ones that don't.
Your starting point is a ROM with no apps.
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Yea...well that is probably not going to happen for most people. Even at 10 apps 2 days per app you are looking at almost a month of troubleshooting. Most people aren't going to do that. There is also nothing to say that your bad app didn't cause an issue in 2 days but 4 instead you will be thinking the wrong app caused the issue. Anyway it was what the OP asked for so also trying to stay on topic.
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Yea...well that is probably not going to happen for most people. Even at 10 apps 2 days per app you are looking at almost a month of troubleshooting. Most people aren't going to do that. There is also nothing to say that your bad app didn't cause an issue in 2 days but 4 instead you will be thinking the wrong app caused the issue. Anyway it was what the OP asked for so also trying to stay on topic.
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Yeah I hear you man. When I was in the cell phone business as much as I love android I hated selling android phones because people go app crazy and install whatever they can find. Then they come back the next day because their phone isn't working properly. Lol.
But honestly, how many different apps do you use on a typical day? And let's put games and other non productive apps aside. So for troubleshooting purposes start with the apps you really, truly, honestly NEED and see if you still get issues.
This really becomes a circular discussion. Its the same as the original links I was referencing. Mods are just humoring us by not merging...
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Well, I've personally done a lot of research into this topic, and no one will ever convince me any other method is as good for the batteries as it is. I've seen the battery discussions on both sides drag on for miles, so not worth discussing really. Just IMHO - ALL batteries can still suffer from memory effect. (Again, seen both sides of that discussion.)
I agree w/ the "top-level-general uncertainty" about these devices and thus the inherent frustrating complexities that rxnelson is talking about. My general opinion on the situation, is - if nothing else, there are some truly defective units in the field now, which further complicates the issue/troubleshooting.
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I'd invite you to do some more research into the topic, check this out: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries It's a great site for real battery information.
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Yeah I hear you man. When I was in the cell phone business as much as I love android I hated selling android phones because people go app crazy and install whatever they can find. Then they come back the next day because their phone isn't working properly. Lol.
But honestly, how many different apps do you use on a typical day? And let's put games and other non productive apps aside. So for troubleshooting purposes start with the apps you really, truly, honestly NEED and see if you still get issues.
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I hear you as well. To be honest I'm just kind of done with troubleshooting. I've had a rebooting device since November. I'm just looking for a base to start with I guess. Kind of like at work. We have 10-15 core apps we install and test on a PC. When they are tested we make an image and blast that to the other devices. If 19 of 20 of the PCs work then we re-image the one. If that doesn't work it almost isn't worth the trouble shooting as we have 20 more that need imaged. Most of the time they chalk it up to hardware send it to the PC techs and move on. If I get bored I'll reflash....and yes honestly I don't use that many apps but it is still kind of a kick in the balls that you have to baby the device. I still think there is something generally wrong with the I/O of the two devices I've had. If I do a restore all apps and I mess with the tablet while it is downloading and installing all those apps they were both almost guaranteed to reboot.
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I'd invite you to do some more research into the topic, check this out: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries It's a great site for real battery information.
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:cyclops: I've read it all and done my own tests that span years... Even talked with former battery engineers about the topics and theories. My method always leaves my devices "more charged longer". Like I said, seen this battery topic drag on endlessly...
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This really becomes a circular discussion. Its the same as the original links I was referencing. Mods are just humoring us by not merging...
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So where is that app list?
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I hear you as well. To be honest I'm just kind of done with troubleshooting. I've had a rebooting device since November. IAt the very least,'m just looking for a base to start with I guess. Kind of like at work. We have 10-15 core apps we install and test on a PC. When they areexpressly increasingxotically increStillasing the oddse tested we make an image and blast that to the other devices. If 19 of 20 of the PCs work then we re-image the one. If that doesn't work it almost isn't worth the trouble shooting as we have 20 more that need imaged. Most of the time they chalk it up to hardware send it to the PC techs and move on. If I get bored I'll reflash....and yes honestly I don't use that many apps but it is still kind of a kick in the balls that you have to baby the device. I still think there is something generally wrong with the I/O of the two devices I've had. If I do a restore all apps and I mess with the tablet while it is downloading and installing all those apps they were both almost guaranteed to reboot.
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The odds seem so impossible that you personally would have got two defective devices, but clearly you have the tech chops to give a good assessment to the situation - I would love to see your experience with a third device... Just because each different physical device you test would keep exponentially increasing the odds.
A couple of the others who seem real in tune to this issue, I think have a hard or impossible return/RMA path, so I feel like it's an option not being that exhausted yet.
Well, I don't know that I am off much more help on this topic in general. I watched it so intensely for a couple months so its still got my interest. At the very least, guessing all the talks cab start again after klp is released!
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So where is that app list?
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I'll do this for you later today. Like I was saying, I think you are Not crazy :highfive:
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I DL'd Quadrant the other day to see what exactly is going on with my phone, between the lag, the messed up GPS/compass, and no word on when we're getting an update to fix all this mess.
And I find that the CPU is only running at 800 MHz. Has anyone else had this problem? Can I fix it w/o rooting?
I'm going to be calling TMo (who I normally have many wonderful things to say about) and chewing some butt, but I want opinions from in here first.
the phone supports variable clock rates so at times it will throttle down and run at lower than 1ghz...same thing your laptop and desktop often do without you being aware of it.
CPU does not run at 1gig hertz all the time, it only runs as fast as it's required. Save's on battery life and with heat issues.
The GPS fix and 2.2 should be released next month. Probably within the first two weeks.
You can overclock your CPU but it will still run scaled and you will need to root. Running at full speed all the time is not good especially with passive cooling.
What the guy said above. NO electronic device runs at max speed all the time.
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the phone supports variable clock rates so at times it will throttle down and run at lower than 1ghz...same thing your laptop and desktop often do without you being aware of it.
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I am aware of the reasons the phone might exhibit this behavior.
However, I've never seen it run at anything BUT 800 MHz, and I've been checking it fairly regularly. This means I'll be doing something with the phone and in the middle of what I'm doing I'll stop and check the CPU speed.
So aside from a general "Yeah dude, you can expect that" has anyone seen their Vibrant run at 1 GHz? Or at a speed other than 800 MHz?
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The GPS fix and 2.2 should be released next month. Probably within the first two weeks.
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That's a lovely rumor, and I'd love to believe it. However, given Samsung's record of customer support I'm sure you will understand my extremely healthy dose of skepticism.
And I'm afraid that even an official announcement would be viewed with suspicion until I've had the update for a week and had a chance to test it.
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That's a lovely rumor, and I'd love to believe it. However, given Samsung's record of customer support I'm sure you will understand my extremely healthy dose of skepticism.
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Why you buy this phone if you don't trust Samsung?
After you mentioned this I did check to see and I was able to hit 1g. Used system panel and with that open I quickly scrolled up and down untill I hit 1 ghtz.
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Why you buy this phone if you don't trust Samsung?
After you mentioned this I did check to see and I was able to hit 1g. Used system panel and with that open I quickly scrolled up and down untill I hit 1 ghtz.
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Because at the time I DID trust them.
Then the Behold II upgrade got canceled, and I got this thing with a non-working GPS. TMobile (despite all the things I love about them) has always had a very hard time getting state of the art phones in for anything other than Windmobile (something I have zero interest in). When they got a 1GHz phone in with a large screen I was there on opening day.
I'm a heavy GPS user and to say that I'm extremely disappointed would be an understatement. I am hoping that a software upgrade will fix everything, but at this point one has not been announced. I would hope that if it were 2 weeks out that more than wishful thinking or internet rumor would surface.
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Because at the time I DID trust them.
Then the Behold II upgrade got canceled, and I got this thing with a non-working GPS. TMobile (despite all the things I love about them) has always had a very hard time getting state of the art phones in for anything other than Windmobile (something I have zero interest in). When they got a 1GHz phone in with a large screen I was there on opening day.
I'm a heavy GPS user and to say that I'm extremely disappointed would be an understatement. I am hoping that a software upgrade will fix everything, but at this point one has not been announced. I would hope that if it were 2 weeks out that more than wishful thinking or internet rumor would surface.
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A software update has been announced. It was actually announced 2 or 3 weeks ago via Samsung on Twitter and all of the major tech blogs and sites posted it as well.
Also, people have posted that some newer versions of the firmware in different territories have the problem totally fixed.
Also, remember the G1 had this exact same problem when it was released. 3 months later it was corrected with an OTA. So don't get discouraged.
Seriously of you have problems with gps, go to the development section here and download eugene's rom for vibrant 9. Without any steps messing with configuration through setup menus I just turn on use wireless signal and gps and am locked within 10 meters in only 3-10 seconds. Don't want to root? Grow up its a development board, there is more then over way to "unroot" your phone back to stock and you can then return the phone on any issue you like, thankfully due to rooting and that rom it won't be from gps issues.
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Seriously of you have problems with gps, go to the development section here and download eugene's rom for vibrant 9. Without any steps messing with configuration through setup menus I just turn on use wireless signal and gps and am locked within 10 meters in only 3-10 seconds. Don't want to root? Grow up its a development board, there is more then over way to "unroot" your phone back to stock and you can then return the phone on any issue you like, thankfully due to rooting and that rom it won't be from gps issues.
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^ I don't understand why people who don't want to root go on XDA and complain about it. Go to androidcentral or androidcommunity who are sites towards non-rooted (no offense to any of those websites at all).
Every electronic device that gets released will NEVER be perfect because there will always be a problem about it that somebody will always complain about. Samsung has responded to the GPS problem already, it takes time to roll the OTAs out. There is a fix as what "poopypants" said. It's been out.
What's a normal temp for this phone to be at? Mine just got to 105 degrees farenheit. What is too hot for this phone?
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105 degrees is not very hot for any electronics device. A typical CPU in a desktop computer will reach much higher than that.
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I have to agree with Col.Kernel to a degree and understand why he feels the way he does. I've had several Samsung devices. Granted my last one was the Samsung Omnia before getting the Vibrant.
But this isn't a Samsung issue only. Between the legal crap, your cell carrier, and the bottom line, your lucky to see any updates to a device they want you to upgrade in 1 - 2 years. I've had way too many phones that were supposed to be getting updates that never did. If the Vibrant gets it then great. If not, then it didnt ruin my day b/c I dont expect it. One good thing about Samsung Mobile is that in the past I've seen them release updates on their website that wasn't authorized or sent OTA thru the cell carrier. That bumps my hope meter up a bit.
Back on topic, I havent noticed my phone staying at 800mhz but this sucker sure does get hot. Especially when plugged in. reminds me of a Dell laptop I used to have that used to burn your legs if you used it in your lap. LoL
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105 degrees is not very hot for any electronics device. A typical CPU in a desktop computer will reach much higher than that.
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You don't think 105 degrees is too hot for this phone?
Hi. I've been struggeling with the s2 ever since I got it, almost all apps FC, Bluetooth randomly turns off as does my phone, GPS never knows where I am, I get adds in my notification bar, my Widgets don't work, time is almost always wrong and my speed test never gets above 1mb down. These problems occur out of the box on 2 different phones and with S8.
I see people enjoying their android phones but I'm confused how. Do I need to be a pro hacker to even make this device work the way it should? What can I do to fix this? I'm so frustrated I'm ready to not have a phone just so I can destroy this on with my hands. I paid 199 for this phone, don't even feel it's with $10, maybe it is but android sure isn't.
same problems on 2 different phones? I'm betting its user error... maybe you can install s8 but not restore any old data... start fresh... have you tried that? are you using titanium backup?
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Hi. I've been struggeling with the s2 ever since I got it, almost all apps FC, Bluetooth randomly turns off as does my phone, GPS never knows where I am, I get adds in my notification bar, my Widgets don't work, time is almost always wrong and my speed test never gets above 1mb down. These problems occur out of the box on 2 different phones and with S8.
I see people enjoying their android phones but I'm confused how. Do I need to be a pro hacker to even make this device work the way it should? What can I do to fix this? I'm so frustrated I'm ready to not have a phone just so I can destroy this on with my hands. I paid 199 for this phone, don't even feel it's with $10, maybe it is but android sure isn't.
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Go somewhere with this bull......
Why do you trolls even come here? Honestly do you guys get paid for this or you have nothing else to do?
Seriously???
I would love to make money like this as well!
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Airpush detector from the market will show you which app(s) are placing ads in your notification bar.
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DKS1282 said:
Hi. I've been struggeling with the s2 ever since I got it, almost all apps FC, Bluetooth randomly turns off as does my phone, GPS never knows where I am, I get adds in my notification bar, my Widgets don't work, time is almost always wrong and my speed test never gets above 1mb down. These problems occur out of the box on 2 different phones and with S8.
I see people enjoying their android phones but I'm confused how. Do I need to be a pro hacker to even make this device work the way it should? What can I do to fix this? I'm so frustrated I'm ready to not have a phone just so I can destroy this on with my hands. I paid 199 for this phone, don't even feel it's with $10, maybe it is but android sure isn't.
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Maybe you should try not installing malware from the Market?
I've never had any of the problems you claim, but ad spam in the notification bar sounds like a classic example of malware to me.
DKS1282 said:
Hi. I've been struggeling with the s2 ever since I got it, almost all apps FC, Bluetooth randomly turns off as does my phone, GPS never knows where I am, I get adds in my notification bar, my Widgets don't work, time is almost always wrong and my speed test never gets above 1mb down. These problems occur out of the box on 2 different phones and with S8.
I see people enjoying their android phones but I'm confused how. Do I need to be a pro hacker to even make this device work the way it should? What can I do to fix this? I'm so frustrated I'm ready to not have a phone just so I can destroy this on with my hands. I paid 199 for this phone, don't even feel it's with $10, maybe it is but android sure isn't.
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go get an iphone or winmo if android isn't worth your time.
If you have Ads in your notification bar, you have something installed that's causing this. This is not the fault of android or your phone. You installed something which causes ads to appear and might even be causing all your other issues. Wipe it out, DONT install anything and test it out. Make sure it works the way it should without touching it.
Dont blame the phone or the Android OS for something that you did. As for the slow download speeds, after you wipe it out, run the speakeasy speedtest through your browser not the speedtest app. That app is not 100% accurate. If the speed is still slow, call AT&T because it might be an issue with the network in your area.
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same problems on 2 different phones? I'm betting its user error... maybe you can install s8 but not restore any old data... start fresh... have you tried that? are you using titanium backup?
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If he's restoring sys data then that's why you're getting fc's. Restore app. Without data.
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Go somewhere with this bull......
Why do you trolls even come here? Honestly do you guys get paid for this or you have nothing else to do?
Seriously???
I would love to make money like this as well!
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I didn't make any money I lost money. All I want is to enjoy my phone. You sir are a jerk andp i hope you die in a fire. People like you are unneeded in this world.
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go get an iphone or winmo if android isn't worth your time.
If you have Ads in your notification bar, you have something installed that's causing this. This is not the fault of android or your phone. You installed something which causes ads to appear and might even be causing all your other issues. Wipe it out, DONT install anything and test it out. Make sure it works the way it should without touching it.
Dont blame the phone or the Android OS for something that you did. As for the slow download speeds, after you wipe it out, run the speakeasy speedtest through your browser not the speedtest app. That app is not 100% accurate. If the speed is still slow, call AT&T because it might be an issue with the network in your area.
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Out of the box means nothing installed (new). Adds didn't start till I downloaded a couple apps. Sad the app store allows maleware
So since the phones don't work out of the box for me who should I blame? Bluetooth obivously shuts off randomly because I clicked the button wrong when turning it on right?
DKS1282 said:
I didn't make any money I lost money. All I want is to enjoy my phone. You sir are a jerk andp i hope you die in a fire. People like you are unneeded in this world.
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ROFL!! Although I agree with you, the post you are referring to was unnecessary.
I actually just switched from iOS to android myself, and considering I used to develop on iOS it was a pretty intense switch... I struggled mainly with the battery life of my phone. Notifications also caused a bit of a headache due to just how different they are.
Moral of the story, I stuck with it and actually like android more now. Given it's not as idiot proof as iOS was, but the things you can do in android (in terms of being able to do anything you want with your data and not having itunes) make it worth it.
Try flashing and rooting your phone, then remove all the apps you don't use. That fixed most of my battery problems for me, and the unnamed rom fixed the rest.
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Send me your phone and ill see what's up ;-)
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Send me your working one and ill send my broken one.
DKS1282 said:
I didn't make any money I lost money. All I want is to enjoy my phone. You sir are a jerk andp i hope you die in a fire. People like you are unneeded in this world.
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DK - Standard troubleshooting steps... Use the phone STOCK without ROOT and without any new apps for a few hours (at the very least)...
IF the phone still gives you these errors STOCK you can complain to AT&T about your issues because it is clearly the phone (HARDWARE) as ROOT cause of these issue.
HOWEVER...
If you're experiencing these issues either:
After restoring from previous backup
ROOTing the phone
Downloading apps from outside of Android Market
Then this is clearly a software issue.
I've been using my SGS2 for over 30 days STOCK non rooting and I've run into ZERO issues.
Please report BACK after you take the SGS2 to STOCK with no 3rd party apps installed...
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Hi. I've been struggeling with the s2 ever since I got it, almost all apps FC, Bluetooth randomly turns off as does my phone, GPS never knows where I am, I get adds in my notification bar, my Widgets don't work, time is almost always wrong and my speed test never gets above 1mb down. These problems occur out of the box on 2 different phones and with S8.
I see people enjoying their android phones but I'm confused how. Do I need to be a pro hacker to even make this device work the way it should? What can I do to fix this? I'm so frustrated I'm ready to not have a phone just so I can destroy this on with my hands. I paid 199 for this phone, don't even feel it's with $10, maybe it is but android sure isn't.
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Factory reset and go back to stock, if you are still having issues then return it for a new device. I have not had a single force close, wifi issue, bluetooth droppage, nor widge malfuntion. If you are installing other roms it sounds like you are not following instructions. you could be also installing applications/widgets that have not been updated in awhile to support SGSII? Feel sorry for you having so many issues, but take it back for another and complain. Maybe they will upgrade you to a skyrocket or something else if that will make you happy?
No complaints on my SGS II other than it can't cook me dinner or replace my nagging spouse.
Why not list the apps you installed, or as other suggested bring it back to bone stock and do a factory reset.
Quick heads up here guys.. Everyone needs to straighten up and fly right.
OP - this post comes off trolling, but I believe you may have a problem, so I am leaving it for now. But you won't get much help without really explaining your problems...
others -if you think a post is a troll/spam, DO NOT REPLY. Flag it for review, and let me/others take care of it, that is why we are here. If something is surely spam, posting in the thread does not help..
This has gotta be a joke right? Do you actually think Samsung would release a phone that didn't work as you describe to the market? No...
Sorry i didnt burn yet......
DKS1282 said:
I didn't make any money I lost money. All I want is to enjoy my phone. You sir are a jerk andp i hope you die in a fire. People like you are unneeded in this world.
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Wow i should die in a fire..... But hey i dont expect much from the likes of you.... And check my post, all I do is go from forum to forum helping people with legitimized problems...
ALL your post are nothing but complaints and telling devs how their instruction were dumb since you couldnt understand them,lol.... O and lets not forget the one post about how you are about to go back to your Iphone. Sorry but a troll is a troll!
So i will take what you said and do what I do best.... Pray for you
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Wow i should die in a fire..... But hey i dont expect much from the likes of you.... And check my post, all I do is go from forum to forum helping people with legitimized problems...
ALL your post are nothing but complaints and telling devs how their instruction were dumb since you couldnt understand them,lol.... O and lets not forget the one post about how you are about to go back to your Iphone. Sorry but a troll is a troll!
So i will take what you said and do what I do best.... Pray for you
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Didn't Divine_Madcat just tell everyone this morning to NOT REPLY to him if you think he's trolling? Geez...
Allow me to explain things as straight forward as possible. Please note I am not going to attack nor will I insult you.. I am spelling out facts.
Android Market does not allow malware.. There are 3 types of applications. 1) Free Application offered for no cost, 2) Ad-enabled application free to the user but you have to deal with ads gets money to the developer, 3) Paid for application. You pay for it
Now with that said.. Lets look at what your installing, If you can list out all the applications on your phone this is done by
Go to Market
Click Menu
Click My Apps
Type in all the application names there in here.
That will better help us diagnose your problem. Without that we really can not help you as a novice user you may mistake "out of the box" with nothing done when you have downloaded 10 applications. That is not for me to say but for you to show us.
Next when your asking for help please make sure to be terse and to the point with your problems, adding in extra frustration for it only makes you seem "troll" like. I could see how the other user seen you as if you where promoting IPhone and bashing Android.. Make sure to keep your personal impressions to a minimum and that will help you out here.
And remember, 99% of all problems you will incur as a user with force close are usually the users fault. Now if your a developer.. Well yea.. You will be crashing a phone alot.
So get us that list and lets see if we can't make your phone experience as good as ours is..
Good luck everyone this forums is lucky to have Gary here I recommend you take advantage if you need help I will be leaving the forums and no longer bothering anyone I am returning mine for a refund.
Refund confirmed hopefully Asus gets everything straightened out
PS Big thanks to Gary Key he knows how to get stuff done and be helpful forums should be grateful to have him here.
Same story here.
No lockup issues here before or after.
and unfortunately I called this very scenario playing out like this because this is what happens when you try to make firmware compatible with different hardware variables which it's clearly obvious the Primes have and if I had gun to head I would put my life on the processors. They should have only made 1.13 for the people having the ICS lockup issues if they want to take the half assing it shortcut route. The real way to clean up their mess is a mass recall which clearly they are not willing to do.
Feel like I should speak up because we only hear the negative
Have never really had issues with my prime other than mediocre wifi range, obviously no GPS, and before the update an occasional reboot (like once a week and I use it a lot) .
As far as I can tell this update has neither improved nor broke anything .haven't had random reboot yet. Usually dock it when I'm not using it, so I can not attest to any battery life changes but it doesn't appear worse (but my battery life has never been as great as I had hoped, ever since I got it but its a non issue)
BCOKAS06****
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Feel like I should speak up because we only hear the negative
Have never really had issues with my prime other than mediocre wifi range, obviously no GPS, and before the update an occasional reboot (like once a week and I use it a lot) .
As far as I can tell this update has neither improved nor broke anything .haven't had random reboot yet. Usually dock it when I'm not using it, so I can not attest to any battery life changes but it doesn't appear worse (but my battery life has never been as great as I had hoped, ever since I got it but its a non issue)
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Are you saying your prime occasionally reboots on it's own and you don't think that's a problem? maybe not for you but that's now how the device is supposed to function.
... I shall not make posts in the future when I am angry about something entirely unrelated ...
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Are you saying your prime occasionally reboots on it's own and you don't think that's a problem? maybe not for you but that's now how the device is supposed to function.
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I am simply stating that before the update it had locked up and rebooted ...maybe a total of 3 times since I got it in early January. Yea I don't like it, but it happened so infrequently that I, personally, didn't mind (I am not at all complaining to the people complaining about random reboots, just sharing my story) and was planning on installing a custom rom anyway once the bootloader is unlocked and roms are developed.
Also, I've only had the update for a day or 2, so there is not enough evidence for me to come to any solid conclusion, but I can not tell a difference in performance for better or worse, and it at least hasn't locked up and rebooted yet.
Can you describe the "lock up " issue everyone is having? Its frequency too. Maybe I have it and am just too dumb to notice.
Not all Primes are the same, as we can clearly tell. Perhaps I was gifted with a Prime with marginally fewer problems. Who knows?
Had Reboots and Lockups before.
No Reboots and Lockups after .13 Update.
Wi-Fi now showing +5-10dBm after update.
PLUS, GPS can now lock on and maintain lock inside moving vehicle (Used it in trips up and down Houston all day yesterday with Google Nav and Sygic Nav).
BUT, now seems to have battery drain issues. Am still checking on what could be causing this. I'm not one who easily jumps to conclusions and blame the update just because even if the only change was the update.
I'll initiate a factory reset during the weekend with just base unit test and full re-install of apps. There has to be more to this issue than meets the eye.
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I am simply stating that before the update it had locked up and rebooted ...maybe a total of 3 times since I got it in early January. Yea I don't like it, but it happened so infrequently that I, personally, didn't mind (I am not at all complaining to the people complaining about random reboots, just sharing my story) and was planning on installing a custom rom anyway once the bootloader is unlocked and roms are developed.
Also, I've only had the update for a day or 2, so there is not enough evidence for me to come to any solid conclusion, but I can not tell a difference in performance for better or worse, and it at least hasn't locked up and rebooted yet.
Can you describe the "lock up " issue everyone is having? Its frequency too. Maybe I have it and am just too dumb to notice.
Not all Primes are the same, as we can clearly tell. Perhaps I was gifted with a Prime with marginally fewer problems. Who knows?
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Sorry if I came off rude I am just fed up with Asus and wish I could have my money back. anyway lockup issue is when whatever is currently on your screen will lockup and freeze in place for about 10 seconds and then the Prime will proceed to reboot itself if yours did this it has the "lockup issue with ICS " and believe it or not most Primes did not have this problem at all.
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I am simply stating that before the update it had locked up and rebooted ...maybe a total of 3 times since I got it in early January. Yea I don't like it, but it happened so infrequently that I, personally, didn't mind (I am not at all complaining to the people complaining about random reboots, just sharing my story) and was planning on installing a custom rom anyway once the bootloader is unlocked and roms are developed.
Also, I've only had the update for a day or 2, so there is not enough evidence for me to come to any solid conclusion, but I can not tell a difference in performance for better or worse, and it at least hasn't locked up and rebooted yet.
Can you describe the "lock up " issue everyone is having? Its frequency too. Maybe I have it and am just too dumb to notice.
Not all Primes are the same, as we can clearly tell. Perhaps I was gifted with a Prime with marginally fewer problems. Who knows?
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I'm with you, I haven't really had any problems either. It's obvious to me that there is small but percentage of primes that was sent out with problems. I can't think of any reason why a company would send out a recall for a small percentage of problems. It would be easier to just wait for those people to call in so they can fix it, which is what ASUS has always been willing to do. Instead it appears as though there are some people on this forum who just like to sit with their expensive toy that doesn't work and not do anything about it.
Mine has problems too
Just started after this damn .13 update, never had a single problem before but now every time the tab sleeps for more than a few min it wont come back unless I hold the power button for 10+ secconds. This is so anoying and I think Asus really needs to step up the customer support and get out a real update that fixes more than it breaks, and while they are at it recall the primes and replace them because they obviously werent ready for market and just were rushed to get sales before christmas. Please fix!!!!! I love my tablet but would just like it to work, I dont want to have to buy an iPad just to get a half decent producy that is 98% stable.
jdbaker82 said:
Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse...... returned my old Prime because it had lockup issue with ICS got a new one and have been happily using it for a month with no issues and now since 1.13 I have the random lockup reboot issue and to top it off my battery life is much worse. So basically Asus decided to test the new patch on the Primes with lockup issue but amazingly( or maybe not so amazing since this is Asus) they forgot to test it with Primes that didn't have the lockup issues.
I think Gary misplaced his notes for the patch and just made it sound good.
9.4.2.13 Release Notes -
1. Fix Random Reboot / Lockup Problem (100% success in regression testing with returned units, hopefully the same in the community) Truth: Fixed the random reboot issue on those that had it while causing the ones that did not have the problem to now randomly reboot and freeze.
2. who cares
3. General Performance Enhancements. Truth: severe performance degradation including battery and sleep issues.
4. New WiFi Firmware (there might be improvements in WiFi performance or lock capabilities, still working on the WiFi/BT dropout fix that will not be assisted by the WiFi/GPS Truth: We are blowing smoke up everyone's ass on this issue there will be no fix unless you want to design your own backplate for the Prime.
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Here are the facts -
1. You have not contacted me after several PMs about recent posts.
2. Your statements/opinions are false.
3. Please PM me your serial number and contact information. I will have customer care contact you. We have offered this in the past and apparently you ignored our offer to refund your money.
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Here are the facts -
1. You have not contacted me after several PMs about recent posts.
2. Your statements/opinions are false.
3. Please PM me your serial number and contact information. I will have customer care contact you. We have offered this in the past and apparently you ignored our offer to refund your money.
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Done thanks.
I love how a lot of you are refusing to realize the fact that asus is working with new hardware... hardware that is currently unavailable in any other device. So Asus isn't hitting the sweet spot yet with all of these updates, welcome to owning brand new technology. Who knows what problems other manufacturers will run into with these new processors. The big things that I see here are;
1) someone from Asus is actually taking time to listen to the community, do their darnedest to assist where possible, and actually give us some type of update as to what is going on (whereas I have not heard of reps from other companies doing the same, hell, even giving us an idea as to what to expect in the next update)
2) we've gotten 4 updates in the past 2 months, which goes to show that Asus is actively trying to fix what's wrong. I know for a fact, that after 3 months, htc finally released an update that supposedly fixed random reboots for one of their devices (I know, I know, getting updates past a carrier is a pain, but still, I'm used to an update every 3 or so months, not every 2 weeks)
This is a HELL of a lot more that Asus is doing for their customers than quite a few other android manufacturers out there. Cut them a bit of slack, let them do their job and fix their devices, and in no time, we will all be happy with functioning tablets. For those of you who can't understand this and want to return their tablets, I wish I could say that I'm sad to say this, but go ahead. I, personally am gonna wait it out, see what can be accomplished, and I'll laugh at you guys when my prime is working as it should (which mine does, albeit a reboot here and there).
Things take time, not everything works right on the first few tries, but I'm sure that as they send out these updates, they're at least ruling out culprits for the issues.
Welcome to owning a technologically advanced chunk of metal, glass, and plastic, enjoy your stay or gtfo ^_^
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I love how a lot of you are refusing to realize the fact that asus is working with new hardware... hardware that is currently unavailable in any other device. So Asus isn't hitting the sweet spot yet with all of these updates, welcome to owning brand new technology. Who knows what problems other manufacturers will run into with these new processors. The big things that I see here are;
1) someone from Asus is actually taking time to listen to the community, do their darnedest to assist where possible, and actually give us some type of update as to what is going on (whereas I have not heard of reps from other companies doing the same, hell, even giving us an idea as to what to expect in the next update)
2) we've gotten 4 updates in the past 2 months, which goes to show that Asus is actively trying to fix what's wrong. I know for a fact, that after 3 months, htc finally released an update that supposedly fixed random reboots for one of their devices (I know, I know, getting updates past a carrier is a pain, but still, I'm used to an update every 3 or so months, not every 2 weeks)
This is a HELL of a lot more that Asus is doing for their customers than quite a few other android manufacturers out there. Cut them a bit of slack, let them do their job and fix their devices, and in no time, we will all be happy with functioning tablets. For those of you who can't understand this and want to return their tablets, I wish I could say that I'm sad to say this, but go ahead. I, personally am gonna wait it out, see what can be accomplished, and I'll laugh at you guys when my prime is working as it should (which mine does, albeit a reboot here and there).
Things take time, not everything works right on the first few tries, but I'm sure that as they send out these updates, they're at least ruling out culprits for the issues.
Welcome to owning a technologically advanced chunk of metal, glass, and plastic, enjoy your stay or gtfo ^_^
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Well put. I agree. Never seen this many updates so fast. Plus people forgetting we were the first tablet on ICS. The old xoom is just now, after s long time since release, getting ICS like a week ago or so.
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and unfortunately I called this very scenario playing out like this because this is what happens when you try to make firmware compatible with different hardware variables which it's clearly obvious the Primes have and if I had gun to head I would put my life on the processors. They should have only made 1.13 for the people having the ICS lockup issues if they want to take the half assing it shortcut route. The real way to clean up their mess is a mass recall which clearly they are not willing to do.
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And how do you propose having firmware changes just for people with issues be handled? How would general updates after that be implemented? The over simplified statement of only fixing the broken ones has a lot more ramifications than you could possibly imagine. It would make maintenance of the system a complete mess...
spalding1028 said:
I love how a lot of you are refusing to realize the fact that asus is working with new hardware... hardware that is currently unavailable in any other device. So Asus isn't hitting the sweet spot yet with all of these updates, welcome to owning brand new technology. Who knows what problems other manufacturers will run into with these new processors. The big things that I see here are;
1) someone from Asus is actually taking time to listen to the community, do their darnedest to assist where possible, and actually give us some type of update as to what is going on (whereas I have not heard of reps from other companies doing the same, hell, even giving us an idea as to what to expect in the next update)
2) we've gotten 4 updates in the past 2 months, which goes to show that Asus is actively trying to fix what's wrong. I know for a fact, that after 3 months, htc finally released an update that supposedly fixed random reboots for one of their devices (I know, I know, getting updates past a carrier is a pain, but still, I'm used to an update every 3 or so months, not every 2 weeks)
This is a HELL of a lot more that Asus is doing for their customers than quite a few other android manufacturers out there. Cut them a bit of slack, let them do their job and fix their devices, and in no time, we will all be happy with functioning tablets. For those of you who can't understand this and want to return their tablets, I wish I could say that I'm sad to say this, but go ahead. I, personally am gonna wait it out, see what can be accomplished, and I'll laugh at you guys when my prime is working as it should (which mine does, albeit a reboot here and there).
Things take time, not everything works right on the first few tries, but I'm sure that as they send out these updates, they're at least ruling out culprits for the issues.
Welcome to owning a technologically advanced chunk of metal, glass, and plastic, enjoy your stay or gtfo ^_^
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If it was free and I was a tester I'd understand. Honestly though, when they had all the dumb beta testers, didn't one of them notice there was no gps signal or did they notice it and ignore it? Baffled by this and I lose sleep at night.
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I think that the worst part about all this is that they claim they tested the update, when it is clear that they haven't. This is TF201 launch all over again where they sent devices to the market that didn't get any testing.
Just when I didn't think all this could get any worse, it has.
I will vote in this poll about 3 days or more after receiving my update (not available for WW-devices yet..), I say 3 days because I want to monitor the tablet and see how how it reacts to the new update before jumping to conclusions.
My primary concern is that it of course actually fixes my random rebooting issue.. which it looks like it does when I check the forum for people who used to have the issue before.
I can imagine that the battery drain can be just for the first 24 hours or so, because the tablet has to get used to the changes or something like that
Am I the only person that's noticed the cover up (or at best complete overlooking) of the 920 MANY issues?
Let me say, I own(d) a 920 and I loved it so much I looked past all its flaws, and I dealt with a lot. Previous owner factory reset it right in front of me and we know what that means. I spent the next 12 ****ing hours unbricking the thing just so I could use it! Now, after owning the 920 a freakin week, it stops reading my SIM card suddenly so now I'm back with android.
I just notice that no tech site has EVER run any articles about the litany of major issues with this phone. Hell even in the forums nobody seems to have put it together! Am I the only one who sees it??
Bricking on factory reset
Battery life issues
Black screen on calls
Hardware buttons randomly not working, requires soft reset
Phone suddenly stops reading SIM cards
I'm sure I'm missing some but those are the one I dealt with. Am I alone?
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I've been using the 920 for 2.5 months now and I have none of your issues. I had the restart bug but it got fixed with portico update. also there is some dust under the FFC but i don't care because it is not on the lense and it don't use it anyway.
i know about black screen and factory reset bug but i read for the 1st time that there should be major problems with the SIM card or the hardware buttons.
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Am I the only person that's noticed the cover up (or at best complete overlooking) of the 920 MANY issues?
Let me say, I own(d) a 920 and I loved it so much I looked past all its flaws, and I dealt with a lot. Previous owner factory reset it right in front of me and we know what that means. I spent the next 12 ****ing hours unbricking the thing just so I could use it! Now, after owning the 920 a freakin week, it stops reading my SIM card suddenly so now I'm back with android.
I just notice that no tech site has EVER run any articles about the litany of major issues with this phone. Hell even in the forums nobody seems to have put it together! Am I the only one who sees it??
Bricking on factory reset
Battery life issues
Black screen on calls
Hardware buttons randomly not working, requires soft reset
Phone suddenly stops reading SIM cards
I'm sure I'm missing some but those are the one I dealt with. Am I alone?
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Previous owner. Maybe that is your problem.
Son Loves it!!
Heelfan71 said:
Previous owner. Maybe that is your problem.
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My son has had the 920 since it came out...Other than *****ing about the lack of the most popular apps (instagram, temple run, Jetpack Joyride...etc) the phone has been nothing but flawless. He will never give it up because he is an xbox junkie lol
i've had it for almost 2 months now..
only issue i've had is the crashing (normally every couple of days), since updating seems ok so far...I've flashed a few 'roms' to it, EE branded and normal
I thought the screen going blank in calls was supposed to happen? Like to save power? last couple of phones i've had turn the screen off when you put it to your head?
I'll be honest, i'm a little disapointed in windows phone 8, after coming from 7 with no crashes for a year (apart from once when i started messing with the registry) I found windows phone 8 quite shocking, coming from android/windows mobile i'd say its not to bad, but in someways it seems a downgrade. But so far no crashes with the latest update, and i'm hoping it stays that way, but honestly, I have a feeling your issues are isolated.
Also had the chance to use the new nexus 4 the other day, if theres a cover up going on, i'd say its those who say android is smooth and responsive....
I've been using my 920 for a month and haven't encountered any of your problems. The only thing I don't like about my 920 is that there is no app so far to automatically switch phone profile according to time and location.
I'm shocked 2 of you have had no problems. Search Google for any of the problems I listed and you'll find loads of people with the same issues.
Id get another one but I can't afford to keep buying phones when one ****s up. And yea the screens supposed to go black when you put it to your head but it was going black and staying like that so I could end calls, use the num pad, use speaker phone, or any of that. I found a work around but the proximity sensor is supposed to work
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I'm shocked 2 of you have had no problems. Search Google for any of the problems I listed and you'll find loads of people with the same issues.
Id get another one but I can't afford to keep buying phones when one ****s up. And yea the screens supposed to go black when you put it to your head but it was going black and staying like that so I could end calls, use the num pad, use speaker phone, or any of that. I found a work around but the proximity sensor is supposed to work
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Search google for ANY electronic device followed by the keyword 'issue / problem' and you are sure to get pages of results. People that don't have problems (most people) typically don't post about it while people with issues regularly post because they want the issue resolved. This gives an artificial bias to the negative and only reinforces the already tainted view of people in a mindset that something is rubbish.
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Search google for ANY electronic device followed by the keyword 'issue / problem' and you are sure to get pages of results. People that don't have problems (most people) typically don't post about it while people with issues regularly post because they want the issue resolved. This gives an artificial bias to the negative and only reinforces the already tainted view of people in a mindset that something is rubbish.
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I agree, since the last update I haven't had very many problems at all. And since I haven't been having issues I haven't been coming to the forums as much. I just come in every once in a while now to see if there's anything new. I'm not constantly hounding for an answer to my problems on a daily basis since I don't have problems. It's my guess that other people who have perfectly working phones would have like minds as me... or just not visit the forums at all.
No bricking during factory reset (had to do it once and I'm not going to do it again just to prove a point).
Battery life is awesome.
Hardware buttons are working fine.
Blank screen during calls isn't an issue for me since the proximity sensor works almost all the time, I think.... at least, it hasn't been a big enough concern for me that I actually notice it.... guess I should keep track of it.
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Pre-portico
No stability issues, but craptastic daylight camera and bluetooth connectivity issues
Portico:
Unstable. Reboots at least twice a day.
Good daylight camera
Good bluetooth connectivity.
Think people have to make a choice about the portico.
unstable and functional or stable and unfunctional.
Lemark said:
I've been using my 920 for a month and haven't encountered any of your problems. The only thing I don't like about my 920 is that there is no app so far to automatically switch phone profile according to time and location.
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This is also the main thing I'm missing, coming from Nokia N8 the situations was really a great app...
I think Nokia lumia phones in general have a lot of issues, as does Windows Phone. It's just there are so few users even if there was a problem, it would seem isolated. Microsoft's share in the smartphone market didn't even budge at all in 2012. WP users are not power users so they just run back to the store to get an exchange. Even the lumia 920 forum at wpcentral.com is slow as molasses. 90% of the posts are very shallow anyway. Most don't even know what screen size their phone is or what processor its running. the camera is just AMAZING and the phone is PERFECT, over and over again. Of course, this forum isn't any better. The only difference being the plethora of unlock threads, because xda is international.
Your description of WP users is fairly accurate & the market segment MS is going after. The enthusiast market is small & even on Android accounts for a very small % of sales. The easiest way to solve an issue is by exchanging the phone, if you have that option available to you. A lot of issues people are having are either caused by defective hardware or a bad flash IMO, which is an issue on any of the platforms.
Do people not expect bugs and hiccups at launch for these kinds of devices?
It happens. And it's not as bad as you perceive; it's not a conspiracy.
AW: The great Lumia 920 conspiracy.......
If ms allows developers create store accounts for free I bet there would be more apps on store.,.
I get what you guys are saying, but phone busting issues like that black screen on calls and bricking on hard resets shouldn't be common enough to have a thread full of people experiencing them.
If anyone knows of any way to get the phone to read SIM cards again, I'd like your help. I still miss using my lumia 920 :'(
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I have experianced just about every issue in this thread. I have users of the 920 I support for other stuff and I see how they basically ignore them as they did on their Blackberry or iPhone. I had the brick issue... news flash as I posted in another thread, it is not bricked!!! use the Nokia Care Suite, gets you going no problem. During my day I may deal with just about every phone they see at an AT&T store (Tmobile, Sprint,or Verizon for that matter)... they all have issues. Have you ever seen an iPhone user change their password on their laptop and not update the iPhone? Lets say you need to get to something before updating that password, like they changed the server setting trying to update it... go ahead try it. Drop calls, Steve Jobs had to properly instruct dumb iPhone users how to hold an iPhone. Andriod, perfect????? WTF are serious?? And becuase of that piece of software, it does not matter what hardware you are talking about.
My phone is limited compared to Andriod, I can agree with that.... but I can do more with fewer Apps and I like that. The 920 has had some hiccups along the way, but the hardware I have right now is as solid as any other phone out there, actually physically a tougher phone then any other top tier phone.
awagner said:
they all have issues.
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This is exactly what I was trying to get at. These sorts of issues and threads are everywhere for many high profile smartphone launches, especially lately with this insane obsession with HW spec wars.
I've seen much worse, many times, you will not buy a high end smartphone at launch these days without having some sort of worry that there will be a game-breaking bug or defect.
WP 8 for 3 months:
NO ISSUES
POWER USER (i had portico when the first roms were available on navi)
my question is, are all these faulty devices on ATT or another crap american service , cause i think this may be your problem, ive had to work on vodaphone orange tmobile and ee 920's and 820's and i can say with pride that the only issue people have is the lack of popular apps., there is no conspiracy. why the eff are you people needing to hard reset anyway wtf are you doing to your phones?
I have to admit I've been having freezing issues regularly, often when it's just sat on my desk or in my pocket, and almost every night while on USB charge. I've also noticed on the odd occasion a reboot, but only because of my SIM being PIN locked.
Mine was a German Vodafone one, which I flashed on day 1 to the CV_GB ROM, then again to CV_GB Portico ROM. Maybe I'll try a different one, as I've heard the EE one has fewer issues.
Hi,
I just wanted to report what it is likely to be a bug after the latest update to 4.3
Power-off takes 60 secs vs 7-8 secs before the update.
I read somewhere this is due to the applications to be closed, which obviously was also the case before the update, therefore I don't get it.
I am sure many other people must have the same problem, anybody in this forum found a fix or got any official feedback from Sony regarding this issue?
Cheers
Alex
It's indeeed a bug with the 4.3 update, but nothing to be worried about (I mean, won't cause any problems). Just wait a little bit more so it can fully shut down...
Since in normal operation one never shuts a tablet down, the bug is irrelevant.
Hi,
Maybe is not relevant for you, my tablet, once has been used is powered-off and this may happen multiple times per day, so for me this is very relevant.
I hope Sony will fix this soon.
Alex
kwajongen said:
Hi,
Maybe is not relevant for you, my tablet, once has been used is powered-off and this may happen multiple times per day, so for me this is very relevant.
I hope Sony will fix this soon.
Alex
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Why do you turn if off so often? There's no need for that.
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kwajongen said:
Hi,
Maybe is not relevant for you, my tablet, once has been used is powered-off and this may happen multiple times per day, so for me this is very relevant.
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Then you simply don't have a clue how a mobile device is meant to be used.
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Then you simply don't have a clue how a mobile device is meant to be used.
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It's a question of perspective, in principle you should never judge someone else's behavior, also because, sooner or later you may discover you were wrong
Regardless, this is a bug, period. This is what I wanted to know, the rest is not important.
For me this topic is closed, unless somebody has something relevant and pertinent to add to my original question.
Thank you
Alex
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It's a question of perspective, in principle you should never judge someone else's behavior, also because, sooner or later you may discover you were wrong
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In other cases this is right, but in this case you're simply wrong, period. Your habit of turning off the tablet after each use is laughably nooby and BS-y, except if you can name a really good, special reason for that (I take all bets that you don't have one.)
i'm not taking sides, but dam why on earth would you switch your tablet off multiple times a day ? There's no point if you need proof ? Your speaking to it. i know this is a bit of topic, i picked a Core i7 Mac Book Pro. it's a late 2011 model. And that's the year i picked it up 2011 since 2011 i haven't switched of my mac book pro not once, it's always been on standby and mostly plugged into the thunderbolt display.. The battery cycle count is 50 witch shows there's no need to switch off your electronics as the hardware in today's technology is built to be in standby for months and years on end, we live in a fast pace planet, instant use, instant boot.. And switching your electronics on and off wears and tears the hardware much faster.. FACT!
hasenbein1966 said:
In other cases this is right, but in this case you're simply wrong, period. Your habit of turning off the tablet after each use is laughably nooby and BS-y, except if you can name a really good, special reason for that (I take all bets that you don't have one.)
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A good reason for doing so could be - it's HIS device, not yours!
Call it laughable, BS'y or whatever you want, he can do what ever he want with HIS device - like it or not.
I also turn mine off/restart once a while. Not several times daily, but maybe once/twice a week. It runs better/faster/smother after a restart (my oppinion).
He can do, but then he should not complain.
And we're not talking about one restart every few days, we're talking about restarting for each f*****g use, several times a day!
Wow, this thread is out of control. I use my tablet all day long ... If I had to shut it down after each use I would probably go through the process about 200 times daily and Yes the tablet does take time to shutdown. Thanks god I only shutdown/reboot when I update my SuperSU to make it part of the system files otherwise I would throw it out the window or shoot myself. But since a tablet is meant to stay on Sleep/StandBy, Im not sure Sony would consider this a bug ... If it is, then I have to agree ... at least to me ... irrelevant but I feel for the guy that needs to wait 60 secs everytime he shuts it down after a single use.
Not judging but do you shut down your phone after each call you make? They are the same types of devices.