I know there are many BT/Wifi problem threads but even with wifi disabled and running a sync test file from the internal storage I have a 400ms delay when using Bluetooth headphones. Is this a sign of a defective unit or is there fix or a possible future OTA patch?
The delay does seem to get a little worse when there is heavy wifi usage. I love my prime despite other minor glitches, but this one is really bugging me.
robtheslob said:
I know there are many BT/Wifi problem threads but even with wifi disabled and running a sync test file from the internal storage I have a 400ms delay when using Bluetooth headphones. Is this a sign of a defective unit or is there fix or a possible future OTA patch?
The delay does seem to get a little worse when there is heavy wifi usage. I love my prime despite other minor glitches, but this one is really bugging me.
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Well I have had many a bluetooth audio device and it is more the exception than the rule for there to not be any streaming "lag".
Your issue is likely caused by the headphones and not the TP. Try another BT receiver (i.e. BT Speakers, or your computer, etc) and try another BT Source (i.e. phone or ipod touch).
I've used the headphones with several other BT devices with no lag. I can try to whip together another receiver to test.
I've always had a slight lag with Bluetooth audio. My Prime, Nexus One, and my Cowon S9 all have it, so it's not exclusive to the Prime or Android. Kinda lame, but it is what it is.
Every phone/BT device I've had that streams audio via A2DP generally always has a lag. I know this because I have movies playing in my car sometimes and to make things work, I have to offset the audio by x amount of seconds to ensure everything is synced.
Basically, it's perfectly normal.
My evo 4g & evo 3d never seemed to have any lag, but I know BT is not perfect. I use MX player because I like the UI on tablets, but video player would you recommend to be able to set the audio delay?
I plan on trying one of my plantronics headset with the prime soon , the speaker is definitely not that loud.
If anyone could suggest a media player that allows you to set the audio delay/offset, it would be greatly appreciated. I've tried a few different players and can't find one that has this feature... anyone?
Thanks in advance.
Dice player . I have no lag with my bt headphones with this player
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Dice player . I have no lag with my bt headphones with this player
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Are you running Honeycomb, or Ice Cream Sandwich.
Also, any idea if this is for s/w decoding or h/w? (does it make a difference for you?)
I tried Dice Player, like the program, but it still lags on BT audio.
Funnily enough, I've seen audio streaming lag in every scenario including external bluetooth speakers, bluetooth in car, prime, phone, but there is absolutely no lag when pairing my bluetooth headset to my prime or phone.
I guess it really varies, but audio lag via bluetooth is nothing new.
This was asked earlier in this thread but with no answer. Does anyone know of a video player that has an adjustable video/audio delay to compensate for bt delay? Or can anyone who has not got a delay when playing through bt headphones say what make of headphones they use? Thanks.
jdudb said:
This was asked earlier in this thread but with no answer. Does anyone know of a video player that has an adjustable video/audio delay to compensate for bt delay? Or can anyone who has not got a delay when playing through bt headphones say what make of headphones they use? Thanks.
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I use Jabra Halo's paired with dice player. I am streaming both avi and mkv from my NAS from esfileexplorer. It has also been fine using buble upnp to do the streaming. In all cases it says it is hardware decoding. I have another set of bluetooth headphones. I'll check these soon.
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I use Jabra Halo's paired with dice player. I am streaming both avi and mkv from my NAS from esfileexplorer. It has also been fine using buble upnp to do the streaming. In all cases it says it is hardware decoding. I have another set of bluetooth headphones. I'll check these soon.
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Thanks. I am sure in my case it is the heaphones because it does it with other computers as well.
BUYMECAR said:
Funnily enough, I've seen audio streaming lag in every scenario including external bluetooth speakers, bluetooth in car, prime, phone, but there is absolutely no lag when pairing my bluetooth headset to my prime or phone.
I guess it really varies, but audio lag via bluetooth is nothing new.
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What headset do you use?
BT lag
I have two bluetooth headphones, from nokia, the BH-505 (2.1) and a BH-501 (2.0). With my phone a LG Optimus 2x i have no lag at all. With the previous transformer (the first) i had no lag, Dice player included. On Transformer prime, with honeycomb i had no lag either, but since i upgraded to the ICS there's a lag with both BT headphones...
i've tried MX player and Dice player and both lag
Did anyone manage to sort this?
It's frustrating that I can switch immediately from my Prime to my Razr Maxx, with the same source video and the same BT Audio device (Jambox) and have nearly-imperceptible lag on the phone, but the supposedly more powerful Prime lags behind almost a half second.
What's Motorola doing correctly that Asus isn't/can't?
It depends on BT profile in use
I've been researching BT audio lag quite a bit, because I game a lot. Latency for playing music means nothing. For watching video, well you can compensate (like with suggested with Dice player). But for gaming, lag is a big deal.
I've tried a ton of device combos. Everything, *EVERYTHING* I've tried has >400ms lag. $400 BT headphones (Zik, mm500x), with computers, laptops, running different OSes (win/linux), BT audio gateways/dongles, PS Vita, Samsung, HTC and Motorola smartphones; you name it. Lag is there every stinkin' time.
From what I can tell, it has to do with the default compression scheme used by A2DP (SBC something). The delay is the encoding and transmitting of that encoded audio to your headphones.
When reading posts about this, for those who report no lag, when I dig deep I find one of two things: Either they were just using music or video as their test case, or they /are/ playing a game, but with the /headset/ protocol. The headset protocol (not A2DP) is for when you're making calls. A call being a two-way interactive thing, you need minimal lag. The problem is that the audio quality for the headset protocol is horrible. It's optimized for human voice. Sure you can play game using it, with no lag, but it'll sound like hell.
Some have mentioned that BT 4.0 can help. First, I can't find any true BT 4.0 headphones. But, in researching this, it seems the main thing that BT 4.0 brings to the table is low-power consumption. BT itself is a lower-level communication protocol. What we're after here is a level or so up, in the BT profiles.
Finally, I found mention of a proprietary audio compression codec, by CSR, called aptX. It can compress high-quality audio more, will less loss, and does it fast. This appeared to be the answer. I now have a pair of Sennheiser MM500x BT headphones, which support this, and a phone that supports it too (Evo 4g LTE/HTC One X). No dice.
The problem I'm finding now is that there is two ways to utilize such a codec: a) you can compress that same quality audio down into almost nothing, so there's less to transmit to your headphones, which can minimize lag. Sounds like a winner, but...you can also b) use even higher-quality audio, which is a lot more data, and compress that down to about what you had before, then transmit it. So, the transmission takes the same amount of time (>400ms) but you end up with audiophile quality sound over BT.
Unfortunately, it seems that aptX was made for the latter. Audio professionals wanted BT to be able to be used for super quality audio, beyond what we typically see with A2DP's SBC.
And, that's where I'm at now. Googling for "low latency bluetooth audio for gaming" has yielded very little relevant information.
Apparently I'm alone in wanting to use BT headphones for gaming.
Is anyone else having any issues with sound not outputting in stereo with any CM9 AOSP ROMs? I have tried all of the CM9 AOSP ROMs out for the Rezound and I seem to have an issue with sound outputting only in MONO. I believe the right audio channel is the one missing. In the song "kill you" by dethklok (best example I can offer, do a search at youtube and listen to know what Im talking about since I cant post any links) after the drum intro a guitar begins to play through the right audio channel and shortly after is play through both left and right audio channels. However, I can't hear the right audio channel because of the MONO sound output issue. This issue occurs in any method of output: headphones, bluetooth, and loud speaker.
I've done some research and this seems to be an issue with a lot of devices running any CM from 7-10. Since I'm new and can't post this is any of the ROM threads, I'm trying to raise awareness via Q&A. So if anyone out there also has this issue as well, please help me raise awareness of this so we can hopefully get a developer's attention!
I had it in mono one time but a reboot fixed it.
BTW, mono sound is also considered the left channel.
Thanks for the reply. A reboot solved the issue as far as headphone output is concerned. However, loud speaker output is sill messed up. It now outputs both audio channels but the right audio channel is extremely quiet. With the volume at max, the right audio channel is as if the volume is at the minimum setting.
Not a deal breaker anymore since I use headphone output 95% of the time.
Thanks again, I love your ROM.
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Hi, I can`t say that I`m a fan of beats audio but without it, the phone lacks a bit of bass impact, this is compared to an siii, ipod touch 3g and ipad 2, the volume is also very low without beats with the 4th notch equal to the first on the siii but that is fine since I like listening to my music softly. However whenever I enable beats audio there is a distinct increase in background noise that doesn`t really affect rock music but does classical and such. This is especially annoying in the gallery app where you cannot turn off enhancers but rather choose between htc enhancer and beats with the htc enhancer increasing bass to the point that everything sounds boomy and echoes. Does everyone have this issue with beats and if so how do we fix this?
TURN BEATS OFF ALWAYS.
Beats Audio is just essentially an EQ setting that is being hyped for marketing. To get the best sound, you need to do equalization based on your listening device, ideally at the amplifier, not the source. For example, audio will sound a lot different in your car than in your living room. So you want the source (the phone) to output a flat, unchanged signal, then adjust the EQ (or tone controls) on your car stereo or home receiver to make it sound best.
Now I'm guess you are probably talking about listening to music on headphones which is a different story, since the headphones don't have an EQ. In that case, just use a music player app (like PowerAmp) that allows you to adjust the EQ in the playback software. You could actually save different profiles: headphones, car, living room to switch between them. Problem with that is, then say you are watching a movie in your living room instead of playing music on your phone, then the movie may not sound optimal. That's why it's best to have the source material unchanged and do the equalization at as close to the amplification device as possible.
The only value of Beats is as a fashion statement for today's young people.
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Hi, I can`t say that I`m a fan of beats audio but without it, the phone lacks a bit of bass impact, this is compared to an siii, ipod touch 3g and ipad 2, the volume is also very low without beats with the 4th notch equal to the first on the siii but that is fine since I like listening to my music softly. However whenever I enable beats audio there is a distinct increase in background noise that doesn`t really affect rock music but does classical and such. This is especially annoying in the gallery app where you cannot turn off enhancers but rather choose between htc enhancer and beats with the htc enhancer increasing bass to the point that everything sounds boomy and echoes. Does everyone have this issue with beats and if so how do we fix this?
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Sooo, I'm a bit of a maniac of music listeningk, I hate listening to low quality music, and most of all, I hate listening music in the wrong way
Default music app just couldn't scan all of my music, I don't know why, so I put Poweramp on my V10, and everything was sitting in my library, seems good.
Without even installing the DAC fix, Hi-Fi was shown as active, and music playback was pretty nice over QuadBeat 3. Could be a placebo effect, but it worked good.
So I joined beta testing, and if someone out there is trying it out as well, he'll be aware of brand new audio optimizations built into the app. So... What is, on your opinion, the best choice to make? OpenSL? Experimental Hi-Fi? Do they really use our ESS DAC, or will they break it? Do you find any differences between Poweramp and stock player?
And also, are you happy about audio playback? (e.g. Music into a BT car) How did you optimize it?
i was using stock app till they fix hifi dac. b4 MM update hifi were only active with stock player. so i was kinda forced myself to use it. but when i update to MM and installed powerAmp right away(paid version). and Boom sound were great. i compared stock app with power amp and i can say that either stock app is CRAP or PowerAmp is so awesome. it rly worth using power amp
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I've been using Poweramp paid for a long time (pre getting my V10). And in ALL instances Poweramp produces far better sound quality than any stock player, and some of the other after market players too. I using a BT headset lately so the quality is a bit lower
I've connected audio to multiple vehicles, and I honestly didnt mess with any optimizations at all. The sound quality was pretty good, I suppose I could've made some changes but they were rentals, and well, I didnt care that much