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I probably would just because I like having a cell connection on my tablet. That's the main reason I kept my 4G Xoom even after I bought a Nexus 10. I realize I could tether a WiFi device to my phone at will, but my problems are:
a) It's a pain to constantly turn it on and off all the time.
b) A phone antenna isn't nearly as big as a tablet antenna, so a tablet will pick up a much stronger signal than a phone will when you're out and about.
c) When I do tether, I always forget about it and leave it on when I don't need it, then I go to check my phone after 2 hours and find an almost-dead battery.
With the Verizon "share everything" plans, adding a tablet to my existing data plan costs me $10/mo, which is chump change. I'd replace my 4G Xoom and WiFi Nexus 10 with one LTE Nexus 10 in a heartbeat if I could.
i probably would like also but if its the case of a new nexus 10 with LTE it will probably cost big money extra and this its not justify ... only if they bring something new to the hardware more in the same package maybe.
1 - lower the price of original nexus 10
2 - put LTE on a new nexus 10 at the curent price
3 - put 4gb ram and 64gb on the new nexus 10 .
4 - i will buy
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Why not just enable tethering on your phone and connect the tablet to it like the phone was any other wifi network.
And no I wouldnt buy it.
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Why not just enable tethering on your phone and connect the tablet to it like the phone was any other wifi network.
And no I wouldnt buy it.
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Because some of us (like me) find that to be a pain in the @$$. Plus, tablets have much better antennas than phones do, and thus can pull a stronger signal down in weaker areas. I can't tell you how many times my Galaxy Nexus will have 1 bar of service and my Xoom will have 3 or 4. Makes a difference in speed. Plus, WiFi tethering kills a phone's battery, especially you're like me and forget to turn it off. I'll go to check my phone 2 hours later and see an almost dead battery.
Plus, for myself, it's nice to be able to turn the wifi hotspot on on my tablet, throw it my glove compartment on a long trip and have an LTE hotspot in the car. That big tablet battery will last all day as an LTE hotspot.
NOPE. Not unless it had a significant change in processor. Say what you will about how GREAT this Exynos 5 Dualcore is on PAPER, but it still underperforms against the Exynos 4412 quadcore in the Note 10.1 & Note 8.0. So, if it had the Exynos 5 Octacore, or the Tegra 4, then I would consider it, but not with the same hardware, which struggles with some apps on the high resolution display + an added radio LTE stack...No thank you.
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NOPE. Not unless it had a significant change in processor. Say what you will about how GREAT this Exynos 5 Dualcore is on PAPER, but it still underperforms against the Exynos 4412 quadcore in the Note 10.1 & Note 8.0. So, if it had the Exynos 5 Octacore, or the Tegra 4, then I would consider it, but not with the same hardware, which struggles with some apps on the high resolution display + an added radio LTE stack...No thank you.
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Fair points. I haven't seen benchmarks but it would make sense that Samsung would want the Note 10.1 and Note 8.0 to outperform the Nexus 10 considering they're much higher in price. I personally have no speed issues with my Nexus 10, but your point about powering an LTE radio is well taken.
Any LTE N10 would probably have a new processor anyway since, if I understand the underlying tech correctly, Exynos can only handle dualband LTE. I believe that's why the Galaxy S4 LTE variants in the US all use Snapdragon processors rather than Exynos. The only LTE variant I can think of that use Exynos processors is the South Korea variant, and that's dualband.
The N10 doesn't sell well enough for Google to even consider a LTE model.
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The N10 doesn't sell well enough for Google to even consider a LTE model.
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Hard to argue that. haha
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No
I'm going to tether for free with unlimited Sprint all day
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The N10 doesn't sell well enough for Google to even consider a LTE model.
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I'm starting to think Google doesn't want their devices to sell. One of the biggest oversights is the absolute lack of availability of the cheaper models in stores. You can only get the 16GB on the play store. Why the hell would they do this? Do they really think someone considering an iPad would jump on the unproven Nexus 10 at the same price point? You want to move units, Google? Start stocking this thing in retail locations like Best Buy and Target.
It's ridiculous and embarrassing.
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I'm starting to think Google doesn't want their devices to sell. One of the biggest oversights is the absolute lack of availability of the cheaper models in stores. You can only get the 16GB on the play store. Why the hell would they do this? Do they really think someone considering an iPad would jump on the unproven Nexus 10 at the same price point? You want to move units, Google? Start stocking this thing in retail locations like Best Buy and Target.
It's ridiculous and embarrassing.
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Well it worked for the Nexus 7. The 8 GB model was never available at retail (that I'm aware of, anyway). It still sold like hotcakes.
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Well it worked for the Nexus 7. The 8 GB model was never available at retail (that I'm aware of, anyway). It still sold like hotcakes.
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There was also a lot more buzz about it since it was so cheap. Even at 250 it was a bargain. The 10 is in competition with the iPad. The 7 arguably had no rival at that price point with the features it came with.
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Do they really think someone considering an iPad would jump on the unproven Nexus 10 at the same price point?
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You think that $499 vs $599 is the same price point?
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You think that $499 vs $599 is the same price point?
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how many gigs of space come with ipad at 599?
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You think that $499 vs $599 is the same price point?
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No, but when someone is considering a $499 iPad, they're also looking across the shelf at the $499 Nexus 10. Wouldn't it be a little more enticing to see the $399 Nexus 10 as well?
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how many gigs of space come with ipad at 599?
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Those are the prices comparing 32GB versions. I checked before I posted cause I didnt want to look like a tard.
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No, but when someone is considering a $499 iPad, they're also looking across the shelf at the $499 Nexus 10. Wouldn't it be a little more enticing to see the $399 Nexus 10 as well?
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No I dont think it matters in the slightest. If someone is at walmart and is browsing for a tablet they wont care about either one because they obviously dont know a single thing about either and will buy the $149 tablet. Someone who does know already knows which they want.
No more Nexus devices for me for awhile after this tablet. Just sold my Nexus 10 and am waiting on the new iPad. Don't miss it in the slightest frankly.
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Fair points. I haven't seen benchmarks but it would make sense that Samsung would want the Note 10.1 and Note 8.0 to outperform the Nexus 10 considering they're much higher in price. I personally have no speed issues with my Nexus 10, but your point about powering an LTE radio is well taken.
Any LTE N10 would probably have a new processor anyway since, if I understand the underlying tech correctly, Exynos can only handle dualband LTE. I believe that's why the Galaxy S4 LTE variants in the US all use Snapdragon processors rather than Exynos. The only LTE variant I can think of that use Exynos processors is the South Korea variant, and that's dualband.
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True, but supposedly the new Exynos 5 will support 23 different LTE bands. This is the Octa-core I am talking about. That would be pretty great, nearly a world LTE device. About time if you ask me. Even the Dev One & S4 will support multiple LTE bands. Next we just need that Samsung 5G with 100+Gbps down speed (so you can burn through your 3Gb data plan in 3 hundredths of a second) & simultaneous dual band wireless-ac/n.
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Just saw this today...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/09/...kyrocket-hd-coming-to-atandt-1-5ghz-dual-cor/
I think I may make the switch if it is half as good as I hope. Hopefully they learned from their flaws with the skyrocket.
Nope. I'm staying put with the sgsII!
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Just curious as to what makes you say that? No interest in the LTE, bigger screen or new form factor?
Depends on what the Processor is and what OS version it will come with.
i'm actually quite interested in the new skyrocket HD.
However, since there's SGS2 and skyrocket on the market for AT&T already, i doubt that many developers would make the jump and support skyrocket HD.
so i'm just gonna stick with my i777 because i love the developers here
Even if i could, no for the sole reason that it's most likely got a snapdragon chip
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i'm actually quite interested in the new skyrocket HD.
However, since there's SGS2 and skyrocket on the market for AT&T already, i doubt that many developers would make the jump and support skyrocket HD.
so i'm just gonna stick with my i777 because i love the developers here
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That too is a huge fear I have and is really my only major drawback to the device.
Now that Orlando will have LTE this is very tempting, but then again I am having way too much fun with the SGS2 to even think about replacing it.
Maybe if they announce it will have the dual core 1.5ghz exynos processors I'll give it another thought.
Samsung is going overboard. They should have released one galaxy s2 with their lte exynos and have a super amoled plus HD, THAT'S innovation, this is BS and gives Android a bad name for fragmentation
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Isn't the GSIII also set to release this spring/summer as well lol?
If it's Crapdragon - hell no.
If it's Exynos - tempting, but I've already purchased one out-of-cycle upgrade, don't need the extra 300 MHz, and LTE will be worthless for at least 2-3 more years here.
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If it's Crapdragon - hell no.
If it's Exynos - tempting, but I've already purchased one out-of-cycle upgrade, don't need the extra 300 MHz, and LTE will be worthless for at least 2-3 more years here.
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2-3 years? How do you figure that?
I get an upgrade once a year with at&t, I got the gs2 the day it came out....so i still have about 7months left untill I can get my upgrade, by that time something bigger and better will be around....if not, i will for sure look into this phone.
im really thinking about it... the screen res was my only complaint with the s2 and now i see hope in the future!!!!
oh and i live in a LTE area
I used my wife's upgrade to get the S2 and i am available for a upgrade next month... i might sell my iphone 4 and S2 and take the upgrade... ill have to play with one first. My wife loves her phone so im set
as far as I know, the Exynos doesnt support LTE yet.
unless that has changed in the last couple months?
I'm sticking with mine. I live in a city that probably won't get LTE for another year or more. By that time, something else will be out and I can get an upgrade then.
I love my GS2 and battery life has been fantastic. Although I'd like a higher resolution screen, it's not enough to make me want to switch to the Skyrocket HD.
i live about 15 minutes north of NYC and LTE stops there so I'm just outside the LTE area. I wont be worrying about LTE devices anytime soon lol
At this point I will just wait for the SGSIII
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as far as I know, the Exynos doesnt support LTE yet.
unless that has changed in the last couple months?
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They've had LTE capable exynos processors for a couple months now, I don't know why they haven't used them
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2-3 years? How do you figure that?
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I live in West Virginia. I don't know about Entropy512, but we are last on things like this if we even make the list. you need LTE to use LTE on your phone.
on topic, I'm disgusted with the amount of phones coming out. are people really upgrading every 2 months? Im not getting this.
So I have until about the middle of next month to decide if I'm keeping this or getting something better. I started a new Sprint contract (welcome me to the club?) and the Photon 4G was free with new activation. I've always been a big fan of Tegra 2 devices, I used to own a Transformer but I had to sell it to buy college books.
Now, I have the extra money to either buy a Nexus 7 tablet in that time (or whatever competitive tablet to the Nexus 7 is out at that point) or the S3 and maybe a cheap Allwinner tablet or something. Now if the phone is really THAT good, I could pony up for the S3 and still get a Nexus 7 but I'm trying to get the best 'bang for buck' performance.
My question is, is the S3 worth it? Would an over-clocked Tegra 2 hold its weight? Is the S3 even better for gaming? I was under the belief that the Snapdragon S3 processes faster than the Exynos quad core, the GPU on the Exynos is actually better. I do play games.
The one thing I don't like is that it seems like all the cool roms, like CM 10 hashes and heavily modded roms, tend to kill 4G. I actually am in a spotty 4G area but it's here and there so I like to have it when I can. I also feel like the dev support isn't as high as HTC/Samsung devices but root/unlock is there so it's not that big of a deal to just mod minimally and let apps take care of the rest.
The screen size isn't huge but it's big enough and while the resolution isn't 720p, it's a phone so that's not TOO big of a deal.
The thing is, I'll be locked to whatever device I get for at least 20 months and that's a long time, especially if LTE drops in San Diego.
The one thing holding me back is that while the device is great NOW, what about 8 months from now? Even the S3 will be skipping a few beats in 8 months.
What do you guys think? Pony up and potentially skip the Nexus 7, keep the Photon 4G, mod the crap out of it and pick up some cheap Allwinner tablet for my book reading or man up and buy both?
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So I have until about the middle of next month to decide if I'm keeping this or getting something better. I started a new Sprint contract (welcome me to the club?) and the Photon 4G was free with new activation. I've always been a big fan of Tegra 2 devices, I used to own a Transformer but I had to sell it to buy college books.
Now, I have the extra money to either buy a Nexus 7 tablet in that time (or whatever competitive tablet to the Nexus 7 is out at that point) or the S3 and maybe a cheap Allwinner tablet or something. Now if the phone is really THAT good, I could pony up for the S3 and still get a Nexus 7 but I'm trying to get the best 'bang for buck' performance.
My question is, is the S3 worth it? Would an over-clocked Tegra 2 hold its weight? Is the S3 even better for gaming? I was under the belief that the Snapdragon S3 processes faster than the Exynos quad core, the GPU on the Exynos is actually better. I do play games.
The one thing I don't like is that it seems like all the cool roms, like CM 10 hashes and heavily modded roms, tend to kill 4G. I actually am in a spotty 4G area but it's here and there so I like to have it when I can. I also feel like the dev support isn't as high as HTC/Samsung devices but root/unlock is there so it's not that big of a deal to just mod minimally and let apps take care of the rest.
The screen size isn't huge but it's big enough and while the resolution isn't 720p, it's a phone so that's not TOO big of a deal.
The thing is, I'll be locked to whatever device I get for at least 20 months and that's a long time, especially if LTE drops in San Diego.
The one thing holding me back is that while the device is great NOW, what about 8 months from now? Even the S3 will be skipping a few beats in 8 months.
What do you guys think? Pony up and potentially skip the Nexus 7, keep the Photon 4G, mod the crap out of it and pick up some cheap Allwinner tablet for my book reading or man up and buy both?
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While getting photons ICS drivers complete our JB and ICS builds is seemingly inevitable, we don't have that same promise for an unlocked boot loader. So if by all means you 'need' 4g but still want to mod the hell out of your phone, go on and get the S3. In many ways, the Photon is a much better phone in my (perhaps biased) opinion. An extra two cores in your processor is well and good and all, but will those cores make a huge difference in the every day use of the phone? Would you be able to tell the difference past being able to crank up the settings in the games you play? Probably not enough to justify dropping 200 bucks and getting a totally different phone. The photon is already a beast at stock and blazingly fast after some modifications. And if Moto drops those drivers next month, **** is about to get really exciting up in here soon. Besides, its September, the new Nexus will be getting announced in like a month and a half. If you're considering a new phone, that would probably be the device to wait patiently for. As for me, I'm jump on board with whatever Nokia wp8 device drops in sprints lap (if it ever does).
Get the S3. It will last you much longer and you won't regret it after you get it. If you have to spend the money, spend it. You will get a greater return on your investment over the next 2 years.
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While getting photons ICS drivers complete our JB and ICS builds is seemingly inevitable, we don't have that same promise for an unlocked boot loader. So if by all means you 'need' 4g but still want to mod the hell out of your phone, go on and get the S3. In many ways, the Photon is a much better phone in my (perhaps biased) opinion. An extra two cores in your processor is well and good and all, but will those cores make a huge difference in the every day use of the phone? Would you be able to tell the difference past being able to crank up the settings in the games you play? Probably not enough to justify dropping 200 bucks and getting a totally different phone. The photon is already a beast at stock and blazingly fast after some modifications. And if Moto drops those drivers next month, **** is about to get really exciting up in here soon. Besides, its September, the new Nexus will be getting announced in like a month and a half. If you're considering a new phone, that would probably be the device to wait patiently for. As for me, I'm jump on board with whatever Nokia wp8 device drops in sprints lap (if it ever does).
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The lines are even blurrier than that.
The US Galaxy S3 doesn't have a quad core so it's Tegra 2 vs. Snapdragon S4 Krait dual core. The S4 dual core is hands, feet, shoulders and head better than the Tegra 2 in terms of CPU performance. However, the S4 GPU is actually 'worse' than the Exynos and Tegra 3 GPU. So the question is where the Tegra 2 GPU stands against the S4 GPU. And the game settings are absolutely part of the reason I'll choose one over the other. I plan on playing the latest games, PSX roms, etc with the device over the two years I own it. That's also why I'm considering if even the Galaxy S3 is powerful enough.
The other issue is LTE network. I have NO idea when Sprint's LTE will drop in San Diego but I know it won't be two years. Once LTE drops, I'll be on the archaic, spotty inconsistent WiMax 4G connection. I miss LTE and I'm not sure if the Photon 4G will be LTE compatible.
I also wonder if it's worth it to just pick up a clean-ESN Photon 4G on Craigslist or Ebay and using that until the US quad-cores drop because the S3 maybe isn't 'enough' of an upgrade to justify the two year commitment when new phones might be on the horizon.
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The lines are even blurrier than that.
The US Galaxy S3 doesn't have a quad core so it's Tegra 2 vs. Snapdragon S4 Krait dual core. The S4 dual core is hands, feet, shoulders and head better than the Tegra 2 in terms of CPU performance. However, the S4 GPU is actually 'worse' than the Exynos and Tegra 3 GPU. So the question is where the Tegra 2 GPU stands against the S4 GPU. And the game settings are absolutely part of the reason I'll choose one over the other. I plan on playing the latest games, PSX roms, etc with the device over the two years I own it. That's also why I'm considering if even the Galaxy S3 is powerful enough.
The other issue is LTE network. I have NO idea when Sprint's LTE will drop in San Diego but I know it won't be two years. Once LTE drops, I'll be on the archaic, spotty inconsistent WiMax 4G connection. I miss LTE and I'm not sure if the Photon 4G will be LTE compatible.
I also wonder if it's worth it to just pick up a clean-ESN Photon 4G on Craigslist or Ebay and using that until the US quad-cores drop because the S3 maybe isn't 'enough' of an upgrade to justify the two year commitment when new phones might be on the horizon.
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Photon unfortunately doesn't support lte. And if it makes you feel better I check out all the latest games and run psx ROMs all the time without a hitch. Most are developed for tegra 3 and almost all seem to be tegra 2 compatible and the ones that arnt usually note that they will be. Iono man, I just seriously advise against using your two year upgrade on the s3. I can almost promise that within two months something will come out that you'll be like "damn I really want this phone, I should have waited". One thing I've figured out about technology over the years is that after doing your research, if the product doesn't absolutely speak to you, just sit tight for a product that does.
If you are still within a time frame that you can switch out your photon for an SG3, than you might be also within the timeframe to cancel your contract without ETF reprecussions.
Based on the available phone lineups and uncertainty (LTE in sandiego, etc), locking in on a 2yr contract would be a poor investment. I would recommend going with a prepaid cell provider and getting a phone for that network that has a pretty good resell value.
examples:
pentaband galaxy nexus from google play store - tmobile walmart plan ($30/month)
CDMA phone from craigslist/ebay - straightalk
Try to get a photon 4G off craiglist!! I got mine for 80$ u can later sell it for an upgrade photon is a GSM phone more options to sell than the s3 from sprint and later in couple of months perhaps u can upgrade. Am also waiting on a better gsm/lte option from sprint as the photon Q has the gsm sim card embedded
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While reading the announcement that Amazon released the Kindle for $150, it made me think "why the hell does my Rezound cost $400 more than my 8gb Nexus 7?" Comparing it to the 16gb Nexus 7 the only things that the Nexus doesn't have is a rear facing camera and a cell (or two cell?) radio(s) and the Nexus has better hardware!
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While reading the announcement that Amazon released the Kindle for $150, it made me think "why the hell does my Rezound cost $400 more than my 8gb Nexus 7?" Comparing it to the 16gb Nexus 7 the only things that the Nexus doesn't have is a rear facing camera and a cell (or two cell?) radio(s) and the Nexus has better hardware!
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Simple, the Nexus 7 is a kamikaze move by Google. It literally costs more to make the device than what it is being sold for. Banking on the Play Store revenue from it and building brand recognition and loyalty in the consumer.
They want to maximize the market penetration of Android through that device, in the hopes that they can deter consumers away from new Apple and Microsoft devices later this year. People are more likely to select Android devices for their next smartphone or tablet after snatching up a Nexus 7; at least that is the bet.
Kamikaze price points are uncommon, big-picture marketing moves and shouldn't necessarily be compared to other devices as such.
Cell radios, GPS (unless the Nex7 has that), 342 PPI
But that doesn't seem to add up to anywhere near $400 more. However if you look at phones like the meizu MX quad, it has a quad core s4, adreno 320 and I think it has a 720p screen and its only $310 so maybe the huge price gap is about to change
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Its expensive to make stuff smaller than a tablet. Cost becomes exponential
I do agree though phones are super expensive
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brando56894 said:
While reading the announcement that Amazon released the Kindle for $150, it made me think "why the hell does my Rezound cost $400 more than my 8gb Nexus 7?" Comparing it to the 16gb Nexus 7 the only things that the Nexus doesn't have is a rear facing camera and a cell (or two cell?) radio(s) and the Nexus has better hardware!
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Its called selling at cost. Amazon and Google basically sell their tablets at or slightly below the cost to manufacture them for the reason stated. On the other hand HTC, Samsung, Apple and Motorolla have a huge markup on their phones, this is called profit and all companies do it. Some more than others, a 300% or 400% markup isn't that uncommon for high demand consumer goods. Verizon eats this markup (they also buy the phones at a lower wholesale cost) when they sell you a subsidized phone as they more than make it up on the plan they get you to sign to for 2 years.
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Cell radios, GPS (unless the Nex7 has that), 342 PPI
But that doesn't seem to add up to anywhere near $400 more. However if you look at phones like the meizu MX quad, it has a quad core s4, adreno 320 and I think it has a 720p screen and its only $310 so maybe the huge price gap is about to change
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It does have GPS, but others have hit the nail on the head. Not unlike Walmart, this is a loss leader due to the increased revenue streams in all of the things that go with it. They will see more revenue from books, magazines (maybe not :laugh, music, apps, etc. There is also the potential that many people will keep a tablet longer than the 18-24 months people keep phones. This limits the cash flow cell carriers so, so they have to recoup more up front.
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GPS (unless the Nex7 has that),
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Every phone has GPS.
Like kzoodroid said, the carriers play a huge role in pricing, and a lot of it has to do with contracts and subsidization. If HTC sold rezounds for $200 direct unlocked, and Verizon sold them for $200 with a two year contract, Verizon wouldn't have nearly as many customers locked down for several years. But effecting prices isn't the only thing the carriers do, they also build the networks that we rely on.
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That's what I was saying. But the nexus 7 isn't a phone and I'm saying that GPS is part of why phones cost more than tablets.
But the nexus 7 might have a GPS, I'm not sure
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That's what I was saying. But the nexus 7 isn't a phone and I'm saying that GPS is part of why phones cost more than tablets.
But the nexus 7 might have a GPS, I'm not sure
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Most of the high end tablets have GPS for in car navigation and location services.
Also its not the hardware that makes a phone cost more, the iPhone 4S costs about $188 to make yet sold for $750 when it first came out. Thats a 300% profit for Apple. The iPad 4g costs them about $310 to make and they sold it for $629 which is only a 100% mark up. Its all about supply and demand, basic economics, there's a bigger demand for iPhones than iPads thus the larger profit margin.
Amazon and Google aren't the same as say Apple or Samsung as they aren't manufacturers, tehy don't need to make money off the device as they are more interested in selling content and advertising. They will take a loss to gain market share and sell you a **** load of content.
Let's be honest, it's so the carriers can sell "subsidized" phones and lock you into contracts.
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That's what I was saying. But the nexus 7 isn't a phone and I'm saying that GPS is part of why phones cost more than tablets.
But the nexus 7 might have a GPS, I'm not sure
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You edited your post.
You originally said "if the nex even has that".
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You edited your post.
You originally said "if the nex even has that".
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I didn't edit my post...
Really, it is about the phone companies, and the subsidy. If you google 10 android devices you never heard of, they phones go for cheap overseas. Now some may argue that they fo for cheap because the manufacturer isn't well known, ect, but look at the bending problem with the HTC Evo LTe. We just get raped because of the American business model.
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Let's be honest, it's so the carriers can sell "subsidized" phones and lock you into contracts.
When a carriers set retail price it is marked up from what they pay. Not by a huge margin but 25 maybe 50 $'s. Not that your point may not be right but This is why if you look at tmo's retail price vs say a regional carrier Cincinnati bell for the same phone the retail value may be different... side note cinci bell sucks
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Really, it is about the phone companies, and the subsidy. If you google 10 android devices you never heard of, they phones go for cheap overseas. Now some may argue that they fo for cheap because the manufacturer isn't well known, ect, but look at the bending problem with the HTC Evo LTe. We just get raped because of the American business model.
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Most of the no name phones are Chinese. As an analogy a Chinese Rolex sells for $5 at the airport in Beijing, looks like the real thing but its whats inside that counts. Most of these cheap phones use cheap Chinese knock off hardware, why pay $50 for a Qualcomm or Samsung processor when you can pay the guy on the corner $5 for a knockoff. You get what you pay for.
for $5 ill take my chances
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Most of the no name phones are Chinese. As an analogy a Chinese Rolex sells for $5 at the airport in Beijing, looks like the real thing but its whats inside that counts. Most of these cheap phones use cheap Chinese knock off hardware, why pay $50 for a Qualcomm or Samsung processor when you can pay the guy on the corner $5 for a knockoff. You get what you pay for.
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I agree, but did you google the article I was talking about? Here, I will do it for you. If we go with that analogy, why do rezounds overheat, and EVO's bend.
http://www.androidauthority.com/the-best-android-smartphones-youve-never-heard-of-108102/
Tell me that the guts of these phones suck...
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I agree, but did you google the article I was talking about? Here, I will do it for you. If we go with that analogy, why do rezounds overheat, and EVO's bend.
http://www.androidauthority.com/the-best-android-smartphones-youve-never-heard-of-108102/
Tell me that the guts of these phones suck...
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Some of the guts seem great particularly the miui phone but as the article itself says the build quality is crap. How many terminator movies do you think there would have been if the terminators were built out of plastic, or worse Chinese metals?
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The m2 is made at.........wait for it.................Foxconn. Do you really think that they would cook up some super inferior plastic, and sell to miui? When talking about cheap plastic, aren't all phones made out of it? Rolex isn't made in the same factory as Casio. The knockoffs aren't made by the same factory as Rolex. The same peo pole, and some of the same equipment make the galaxy s3, the iPhones, and the M2. If you read the article,this phone was thrown in at the last second. The hardware, engineering, and manufacturing is what costs so much, Not the plastic shell. So if we follow this train of thought, I would assume(I know make an arse out of me and you) that the mark up for the big Oems, with their purchasing power would be significant. They could be selling these phones with aluminum bodies, and still be making money. I know this is the name of the game, but we are getting the short end of the stick. Doesnt Huawei make Motorola phones? One is a cheap knock off, and one is a American brand. Branding is what we make fun of sheeple for. And again, the Evo lte from Sprint has multiple complaints of the phone bending, literally bending. Even when it has a case on it. It was on the front page just a few hours ago. So how is the cheap plastic different than the cheap plastic of flagship phone? Hell, I am typing on my sons nook color which was made in foxconn. Don't kid yourself, we are all using products made as cheaply as possible by arthritic overworked Chinese. We are just paying for the name. Don't get me wrong, buying quality is important. I am not saying by an Archos tablet or anything. I just think that we as a whole are charged too much on the newest fad of smartphones.
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Who's being a giant douche trollolloll tonite?
^^^^^^^^^^^this guy^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sorry for my rant.
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Real?
Fake?
Would it make you mad?
I think that it's for a S4 like phone that's set to launch in Europe. Reason being they did the same thing with the note 2 and galaxy mega. However contrary to this point the mega had much lower specs than the Note 2.
Given that it's an S4 that still retails for 200$ I'm convinced that Samsung did this in the interest of sales.
This might be an S4 variant that retails for 300$+ under a different name.
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It's real, but only being released in South Korea, so no one anywhere else should worry. This is because of the LTE-Advanced capabilities which currently only exist in South Korea
Real or vaporwear, I wouldn't worry about it. us Verizon folks will never see it on our network.
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Real or vaporwear, I wouldn't worry about it. us Verizon folks will never see it on our network.
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Probably the most accurate perspective, considering Verizon is in milking mode strategy with a mid device level offering and 16gb only option for the S4. Such a device would compromise their strategy. Other carriers probably will offer it in the US, just like 32gb S4 and the recent LG Pro.
The new 800 is not just a new LTE radio only, but the same radio versatility of the 600 with better fabrication process and much faster performance. We will not notice an LTE difference, but will notice "cooler" running 4g and much faster device performance.
pretty depressing that we won't ever see the 32gb s4
There is still a sliver of chance in late July, but by then we might hear more about 800 devices. HTC, LG and Samsung have already mentioned they will have devices with the chipset by Q4.
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Probably the most accurate perspective, considering Verizon is in milking mode strategy with a mid device level offering and 16gb only option for the S4. Such a device would compromise their strategy. Other carriers probably will offer it in the US, just like 32gb S4 and the recent LG Pro.
The new 800 is not just a new LTE radio only, but the same radio versatility of the 600 with better fabrication process and much faster performance. We will not notice an LTE difference, but will notice "cooler" running 4g and much faster device performance.
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I'm not surprised if Verizon is going with the "milking mode", but I feel Verizon's device strategy to be archaic.
It almost seem like Verizon is afraid that the customers will get confused if there are 2 equally good devices out at the same time. Perhaps this is why we don't have the HTC One yet.
Back when I was on T-Mobile, I would buy, then sell phones every few month. Simply because there are a ton of great phones to choose from. Now on Verizon, I change phones like once a year, not because I can't afford it, but because there's simply a lack of pones to choose from. Although, it all works out, since I need the money to pay the huge phone bill!
Unless there are massive power savings, i am not horribly bothered (got mine Sunday). The 600 is more than blowing me away with its power compared to my rezound.
Lets face it, when it comes to technology, there is ALWAYS something better right on the horizon. We face this every day, be it with phones, tvs, or computers. If you enjoy what you have, and it does what you need, i wouldn't dwell too much on what you might be "missing out" on..
True dat.
Why not? I mean, 7 inch tablets all have thick bezels, but a phone doesn't have to. That will make the profile still manageable. Keep throwing things onto the wall, Sammy.
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Plus if I pulled out a 7 inch phone no one will give me a "WTF is that a phone or what" look. They would be thinking it's just another tablet. Sweet.
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Come on Sammy don't tell me you have to go the whole 9 yards to add another 0.7 inch to the screen...
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2SHAYNEZ
while a larger size is really need, don't forget specs, like
1080p full hd, quad core cpu, 4GB memory, and start with 32GB with expandable to 64GB memory for end user's delight, lol
I don't think a 7 inch Mega is out of the question, but I don't think it'll realistically happen for a couple of years. The Mega is very much an experimental form factor at this stage. That said, at least in North America, Samsung has made it available on all major carriers, so there is a high possibility that the management are confident that the phone will sell, and thus there may well be a 6.5 inch Mega 2 coming in 2014. In a couple of years, flexible screens will become cheap enough to be implemented in mainstream phones, at which point a 7 inch phone will become pocketable.
A phablet is not a phablet until it reaches 7 inch screen size. No tablet are less than 7 inches except some no name brands. That's my point.
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A phablet is anything around or over the 5.5 mark IMO.
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only reason I own a mega is because of US carriers terrible data options for tablets, I had to buy a tablet sized phone to not be charged an arm and a leg for data. If they make a 7in mega I'd be in line to buy it so long as they still classify it as a phone for subscriptions.
You're kidding... rite?
no, not kidding... i generally blow through 30-35gb a month, T-mobile wouldn't have it anymore and put a stop to my tethering to my nexus 7. Well not a stop but started having the tethering count as SMHS data like it was always supposed to but didn't. for me to keep my unlimited data on my phone they would only allow me to have up to 6.5GB of SMHS on my plan for an extra $20 and the rest would have to be paid on data passes. If I got a n LTE version of the nexus 7 and bought a data plan for it the highest plan available is only 12GB for $110 a month. So i did some math and found it cheaper to just buy a tablet sized phone and pay a second monthly fee and have unlimited data on both devices.
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no, not kidding... i generally blow through 30-35gb a month, T-mobile wouldn't have it anymore and put a stop to my tethering to my nexus 7. Well not a stop but started having the tethering count as SMHS data like it was always supposed to but didn't. for me to keep my unlimited data on my phone they would only allow me to have up to 6.5GB of SMHS on my plan for an extra $20 and the rest would have to be paid on data passes. If I got a n LTE version of the nexus 7 and bought a data plan for it the highest plan available is only 12GB for $110 a month. So i did some math and found it cheaper to just buy a tablet sized phone and pay a second monthly fee and have unlimited data on both devices.
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oh genius!!!!
for mi needs the mega has the righ screen... love it the way it is... please que alguien tenga TWRP
b22ri22an said:
only reason I own a mega is because of US carriers terrible data options for tablets, I had to buy a tablet sized phone to not be charged an arm and a leg for data. If they make a 7in mega I'd be in line to buy it so long as they still classify it as a phone for subscriptions.
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+1
My plan to get around that is to get a voice enabled tablet, probably one of the international Samsungs.
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My plan to get around that is to get a voice enabled tablet, probably one of the international Samsungs.
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unfortunately there will be no LTE on international tablets here in the USA , and some carriers will still consider them tablets and not cellphones and not let you have a standard phone service contract.