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EDIT: simplified and updated with more questions. Over 100 views and so many unanswered questions!
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1- What is it that you backup when you backup your phone? Is it the content of the internal and SD card in one file? Or multiple files? Is this what's called a ROM?
Because last time I checked ROM means Read Only Memory, and my internal and Sd card are read and write.... ssssooooooooooo confusing.
1.1 Where's the OS (Android) installed? On the internal memory and on another partition?
2- I got my phone over at Koodo mobile. It's got their company name on the home screen. To avoid warranty problems:
2.1 Is this going to be copied over if I make a backup of the phone?
2.2 So many people suggest to just download a ROM of the stock version I got in my phone... would I have to find a Koodo ROM for the Optimus One or will any android 2.2 ROM do the trick.
2.3 Does putting a custom ROM or android 2.3 leave traces somewhere on the phone, even of you put back the original backup ROM?
3- How do you know if you made a proper backup and the size it should be?
Many thanks.
22vin:
- yes, the backup will store all your data, including apps, settings, everything
From the internal and SD card? All into one file?
- yes, you can restore everything, including unroot (if you want to be very sure you can flash the rom via kdz and the phone will be just like out-of-the-box)
Does KDZ make backups images of the phones, or is it only used to update?
- the "bios" is called custom recovery and it will void your warranty but you can go back to the stock recovery by flashing an image of a stock recovery or by flashing a whole rom via kdz (wich will erase everything as I said earlier)
So.... Custom recovery is ran from the phone and used for flashing KDZ is ran from Windows and used for flashing too?
- you will overclock the CPU, gpu tweaking means hw acceleration and other things wich can be disabled.
I take that as a GPU overclocking YES.
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Hi everyone,
I recently bought a wonderful Optimus One and I love it!
I spent the last hour reading all over the internet, and especially here, about how to root and use custom roms... (faqs, guides, the dictionary...)and some things are still not clear. I just like it when I want to get into doing touchy operations like updating firmwares and such and I get my facts straight.
(FYI, total android and smartphone noob, advanced windows user)
- I know my phone has internal memory and SD memory, and apps I download go on the internal or SD memory, but what about the OS itself? What is stored and where?
- I read a lot about using custom ROMs, but I couldn't find a reliable, confirmed answer to the following question: can I make a 100% image/backup of my phone before starting anything and if so, how?
Also, can I use this backup to revert the phone back to its original state and make my phone carrier believe nothing ever happened to it in case I need to? Is this image going to include stuff from the internal and SD and refer to question #1 everything stored in memory on the phone?
I know I can run some sort of bios to do so, but I feel like just installing the bios program and running it might put my phone at risk for a warranty void
- Last but not least: can you overclock the CPU only? Or both the CPU and GPU?
I've had difficulties reading about all these things because almost all posts and articles seem to be written by advanced android users for advanced android users.
Thanks in advance.
MQ
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Hi everyone,
I recently bought a wonderful Optimus One and I love it!
[Updated poster N00b level: 3/10]
I spent the last hour reading all over the internet, and especially here, about how to root and use custom roms... (faqs, guides, the dictionary...)and some things are still not clear. I just like it when I want to get into doing touchy operations like updating firmwares and such and I get my facts straight.
[Updated poster N00b level: 4/10]
Here are the questions: (FYI, total android and smartphone noob, advanced windows user)
- I know my phone has internal memory and SD memory, and apps I download go on the internal or SD memory, but what about the OS itself? What is stored and where?
[Updated poster N00b level: 7/10] WARNING! N00b warning! Proceed carefully.
- I read a lot about using custom ROMs, but I couldn't find a reliable, confirmed answer to the following question: can I make a 100% image/backup of my phone before starting anything and if so, how?
Also, can I use this backup to revert the phone back to its original state and make my phone carrier believe nothing ever happened to it in case I need to? Is this image going to include stuff from the internal and SD and refer to question #1 everything stored in memory on the phone?
I know I can run some sort of bios to do so, but I feel like just installing the bios program and running it might put my phone at risk for a warranty void
[Updated poster N00b level: 8/10] WARNING! Critical level! Prepare your N00b bio suit if you dare answer!
- Last but not least: can you overclock the CPU only? Or both the CPU and GPU?
[Updated poster N00b level: 10/10] ALERT! Shutting down the app to prevent lack of knowledge damage from noobish user. Exiting...
I've had difficulties reading about all these things because almost all posts and articles seem to be written by advanced android users for advanced android users.
Thanks in advance.
MQ
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- yes, the backup will store all your data, including apps, settings, everything
- yes, you can restore everything, including unroot (if you want to be very sure you can flash the rom via kdz and the phone will be just like out-of-the-box)
- the "bios" is called custom recovery and it will void your warranty but you can go back to the stock recovery by flashing an image of a stock recovery or by flashing a whole rom via kdz (wich will erase everything as I said earlier)
- you will overclock the CPU, gpu tweaking means hw acceleration and other things wich can be disabled.
Thanks for the answers 22vin.
The overly careful person that I am asks:
- How do you call the backup of the whole phone data?
- When you do this backup, does it create 1 file, or multiple files? I ask this because I still don't understand how these phones work. Are they like gaming roms and emulators where you get a rom (copy of the cartridge) and you can also add other roms to change the way it works? Like a mod?
I got about 50 other questions, but it's mainly because I don't exactly know what ROMs are in smartphones.
It would be awesome if somebody could point me towards a "Everything you need to know about android phones and custom ROMS" for dummies. I understand how to use it, but not how it works in the inside so that I can safely go ahead with flashing and stuff...
Does this make sense? Tech stuff about the way the OS works and what is a ROM and a kernel... so that I know what I'm doing.
OP updated.
100 views later and just one reply (thanks to 22vin btw) made me wonder if my questions were clear enough.
*ahem* http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=900905
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1152306
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Thanks for the links, terra. I actually read all these pages already.
Finally re-read the whole dictionary page, and in addition to some other info I read, I could make sense of a lot more info.
The general info page uses terms that is not covered in the dictionary/terms page so a lot of info I can't understand.
Like the info about what the kernel does and why change it. Leads to a wikipedia generic kernel page.
NAND actually allows for creating a 1:1 copy of the phone's content. Probably a copy of the internal memory. Another guess is that the OS is also on that partition but I can't find that info.
About the SD card, it seems to allow the copy of some native apps.
Only thing that's not clear is if it leaves ANY traces on the phone after a recover from a backup.
The Os is no stored in the internet memory and sdcard, it's somewhere else you don't need to know about.
Yes, a Nandroid backup restores your settings before you flash a new ROM. You need to unroot it to make your carrier believe nothing has happened. Another way, you can flash kdz which will completely reset your phone back into into the state you bought it(minus the carrier installed apps).
You only can overclock CPU, not GPU.
Thanks for taking the time to answer, terra.
@ terratrix
Since when modding phones can void warrenty?
I send my htc wildfire with the cm7 and the screen is in deep cracked situation(display still showing)... So I send it for servicing but they saw my os is cyanogenmod... But they never void my warrenty lol... And so more, I gor free repair BUT in may... My phone cracked again, worst... It bends!
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@ terratrix
Since when modding phones can void warrenty?
I send my htc wildfire with the cm7 and the screen is in deep cracked situation(display still showing)... So I send it for servicing but they saw my os is cyanogenmod... But they never void my warrenty lol... And so more, I gor free repair BUT in may... My phone cracked again, worst... It bends!
Sent from LGE XDA phone
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It varies from country to country, carriers to carriers, phone manufacturer to phone manufacturer . Just a precaution.
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There a lot thread about how to root nook or how flash custom rom but there no any guide for how to install ANDROİD OS to nook tablet ?? How i can convert my nook tablet to android,i cant find any guide..
Wrong section for asking questions! There's a Q&A section. Installing CM10 is the same as making it to an Android Tablet. Lots of guides, just look around in the correct section!
asawi said:
Wrong section for asking questions! There's a Q&A section. Installing CM10 is the same as making it to an Android Tablet. Lots of guides, just look around in the correct section!
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ok buddy dont judge me I was searcing but there a lot thing,i am confussed.
Custom ROMs = convert your proprietary nook tablet to ANDROID open source tablet.
Custom ROMs = pure ANDROID
The latest Android version is jellybean (4.2.2) if you don't want modified ANDROID versions but something more Google Android stock like then flash an AOSP ROM.
Google what AOSP means. Google is your friend.
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Just a little extra to get you on your way:
To make your tablet an "android" tablet, you can either change the device itself, meaning load a custom ROM onto your tablet itself, removing any trace of the original Barnes and Noble Operating System Software, OR, create an SD card upon which you can load and then use to run a custom ROM (i.e., custom android operating system). The benefit of using an SD card ROM is that you do not disturb the original set up of your Nook, do not have to root the device, and therefor your warranty on the device remains intact. When you remove the SD card from your device, you are back to the old Barnes and Noble operating system, undisturbed. If you load a custom ROM onto the device itself, you void the warranty. (Of course, you could always, assuming you did not make a major error, reload the original Barnes and Noble operating system back onto the device at any point, leaving no trace of your shenanigans, and bring it in for warranty service....but there are a lot if "ifs" attached to that.)
So, having said that, if you are a bit hesitant about messing with your device's internal software, until you learn more, I suggested you look for a post on how to make an SD Card ROM. If you make an SD Card ROM, you do not have to root your device or mess with the internal software at all. I use them and thanks to all of the wonderful developers here (tip of the hat to the developers above who were kind enough to respond to you and all the others for their hard work) these work wonderfully!
FYI, this is a great community and very helpful. However, we are all expected to do our homework and should not expect anyone to hold our hand because we are too lazy to read. Don't take offense if you are not hand fed answers. You have to take care also, when you begin, to read entire threads as often issues pop up that may not be addressed in the original post (OP) which usually has a link to the most up too date version of that ROM.
I think I can find a useful thread to get you started but it's late right now and that might take me a few minutes. So, I will try to rememeber to find it tomorrow and post it for you.
Note: I think these days you don't even have to root your device to load a custom ROM directly onto it.....correct me if I am wrong fellow readers. I have no experience with loading internal ROMs, but did root back in the day. So, rooting isn't your biggest issue, it is whether you use an internal (emmc) ROM or an SD Card ROM, and what ROM you choose (each one has it's own benefits...you have to read about them). Do NOT post a question asking which is the best, you will not like the answer you get. They are all great, it's all about what features you want.
Welcome and good luck!
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OK, here's what I dug up. Go here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=35683307&postcount=6
You can use any SD ROM you like. Once you have this bootabe SD card, "flash" whatever ROM you want onto it. Search for how to flash SD CARD ROM....careful you don't flash it to internal! You will need to read about and learn how to use Clockwork Mod "CWM" to do so, not to be confused with Cyanogen Mod, which you will also need to understand. Cyanogen Mod is the wonderful tool created to get you past the BN boot lock. It's what pops up once you are finished making the Bootable SD Card. It allows you to access all drives of your device and specifically gets you into "recovery=CWM" which you use to flash your ROM. It has an option for SDC BOOT, which lets you boot into your SD card ROM when it is ready!
Good luck!
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So, I've had quite a long night trying to accomplish what seems to be such an easy task for every one else. My main goal for tonight was to root my HTC One and install a custom ROM, preferably ARHD 4.3. This was unfortunately not the case. This is my first time handling anything along the lines of rooting a phone or doing anything like that.
I started off by unlocking the bootloader and then moving on to install TRWP as my custom recovery image. Once I rooted my device after that, I started looking up custom ROM's only to find out that I would need to install firmwares before I installed the ROM's, which required me to pretty much re-do every thing above.
Here's where the problems began to happen. I had to try and get my S-On to go to S-Off and I got errors everywhere. Either I got an error trying to do one guide via terminal command inside of an app on the device, or my model number didn't show up on available methods. I don't even know, all I know is I never got to actually succeed with getting my thing to S-Off, therefore I never could do any firmware installs.
I then read that the Google Edition 4.3 only needed the radio to be installed via firmware so I thought hey, I bet this ROM is perfect for me. But, then I read that you still need the firmware upgrade to be stable.
My actual question because I'm just overall sick of this and it's beginning to scare me that I've ruined my phone and I'll never get it to how it used to be;
I just want to go back to how my phone was. Factory settings across the board. However, I have no idea how to do this and the 2 backups I had in TRWP aren't showing in the recovery, however they are showing in the ES file manager within the Google Edition 4.3 ROM.
Please help, this is starting to freak me out. I had to pay $600 for this phone off contract and I made a dumb ass decision tonight.:crying:
You don't have to install firmware for any custom rom and you may never have to.
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Nick281051 said:
You don't have to install firmware for any custom rom and you may never have to.
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Really? What exactly is firmware and why is it not needed? On the ARHD custom ROM threads, it says at the bottom that it is not needed, but recommended. I also read people's comments saying if the firmwares aren't installed, then you lose stability for your custom ROM's. Is that true and if so how?
I currently have the Google Edition 4.3 ROM and it seems to be workng fine without the Radio firmware. I just don't know what is needed and what isn't. But, my device has the bootloader unlocked, TRWP installed, fully rooted and Google Edition ROM 4.3 installed.
Am I okay?
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Really? What exactly is firmware and why is it not needed? On the ARHD custom ROM threads, it says at the bottom that it is not needed, but recommended. I also read people's comments saying if the firmwares aren't installed, then you lose stability for your custom ROM's. Is that true and if so how?
I currently have the Google Edition 4.3 ROM and it seems to be workng fine without the Radio firmware. I just don't know what is needed and what isn't. But, my device has the bootloader unlocked, TRWP installed, fully rooted and Google Edition ROM 4.3 installed.
Am I okay?
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You are FINE, that's the same set up I have basically. Unlocked BL, Root, TWRP and sinless GE rom from the International forums. I have never touched s-off or any firmwares/radios.
I've run nearly every sense and GE rom in the One forum and never had an issue.
In theory I suppose the upgraded firmware could be better but I haven't heard of any real benefits of doing it. And have had no issues without it so it seems kinda pointless.
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You are FINE, that's the same set up I have basically. Unlocked BL, Root, TWRP and sinless GE rom from the International forums. I have never touched s-off or any firmwares/radios.
I've run nearly every sense and GE rom in the One forum and never had an issue.
In theory I suppose the upgraded firmware could be better but I haven't heard of any real benefits of doing it. And have had no issues without it so it seems kinda pointless.
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Oh wow, thanks a ton for the reply. That made me feel a ton better. I've been panicking about this.
Leather Sock said:
Oh wow, thanks a ton for the reply. That made me feel a ton better. I've been panicking about this.
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No problem... I was worried to when the firmware update came out and devs started putting little disclaimers in their posts about recommending it. I'd be willing to bet that there are more people in these forums with s-on and stock firmware flashing away without issues.
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No problem... I was worried to when the firmware update came out and devs started putting little disclaimers in their posts about recommending it. I'd be willing to bet that there are more people in these forums with s-on and stock firmware flashing away without issues.
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My only concern right now is that I have a tad bit lower free space now that I've made backups and flashed my ROM and such. The stock HTC One comes with 32GB but you get about 27GB~ to use. Before I did anything I'm fairly certain I had roughly 25-26GB of free space. Now I have 20GB. Could this be from the backups taking up a lot of space? I have 3.
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My only concern right now is that I have a tad bit lower free space now that I've made backups and flashed my ROM and such. The stock HTC One comes with 32GB but you get about 27GB~ to use. Before I did anything I'm fairly certain I had roughly 25-26GB of free space. Now I have 20GB. Could this be from the backups taking up a lot of space? I have 3.
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ummmm... yes if the backups are stored on phone
backups backup everything on the phone... so you saved 5gb in copies 3 times...you're lucky they are compressed
You should really have just one copy saved on a safe pc or flash drive
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ummmm... yes if the backups are stored on phone
backups backup everything on the phone... so you saved 5gb in copies 3 times...you're lucky they are compressed
You should really have just one copy saved on a safe pc or flash drive
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Well, when I tried to put the backups on my phone by copying and pasting them, it only pasted some of the stuff inside of it and not all of it. It was weird but it didn't let me paste all of the inside contents onto my computer.
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Well, when I tried to put the backups on my phone by copying and pasting them, it only pasted some of the stuff inside of it and not all of it. It was weird but it didn't let me paste all of the inside contents onto my computer.
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That's strange I've transfered backups before without issue. I would try again, it may have just been an anomaly.
I would recommend keeping at least a stock as possible backup on your phone to be safe.
Personally I keep 3 backups: a stock AT&T one, an InsertCoin Sense edition, and a SinlessROM Google edition.
The resulting space is enough for me, if your worried about space your only option is to keep the other two on your PC, not really a way around it.
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That's strange I've transfered backups before without issue. I would try again, it may have just been an anomaly.
I would recommend keeping at least a stock as possible backup on your phone to be safe.
Personally I keep 3 backups: a stock AT&T one, an InsertCoin Sense edition, and a SinlessROM Google edition.
The resulting space is enough for me, if your worried about space your only option is to keep the other two on your PC, not really a way around it.
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Well, I have a backup that is only an unlocked bootloader + root with the stock AT&T ROM, however I don't see any possible way of putting it onto my computer since I can't access the file from my computer. Originally the backups were in the TRWM folder in the internal storage on my computer, but then they stopped showing up in the backups through TRWP so I had to move them to /data/media/TRWP instead of 0/data/media/TRWP or whatever.
I'm not sure if that makes sense because it barely does to me either.
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Well, I have a backup that is only an unlocked bootloader + root with the stock AT&T ROM, however I don't see any possible way of putting it onto my computer since I can't access the file from my computer. Originally the backups were in the TRWM folder in the internal storage on my computer, but then they stopped showing up in the backups through TRWP so I had to move them to /data/media/TRWP instead of 0/data/media/TRWP or whatever.
I'm not sure if that makes sense because it barely does to me either.
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Ya I know there are issues with storage going from 4.1 to 4.2. I'd recommend getting a good file explorer from the play store (I recommend es file explorer) use that to find your backups... Just search "backup" using the search function if you need to. Then copy the backups somewhere you can see them with your computer like to the root of your storage. From there copy to your computer.
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Just like fandroid I have a copy of a Stock GPe 4.3 and an Stock AT&T version backup on a usb drive that i keep safe and as for the firmware and s-off/s-on at first i had a little trouble with getting s-off but i tried it 3 or so more times then on the the 2nd or 3rd time (I can't remember) it worked and i got the new firmware and it has been all good for me.
I am usually here hoping to help others, now its my turn..............
I am a bit stumped here. I am trying to figure out why my phone doesn't seem to want to run 4.3
I have tried almost all of them. with stock kernel and alternate. I am not flashing a bunch of extra stuff or anything and ran various different builds. I am not trying to over rev the engine either. ive done these test over the past 2 weeks so i know i am not rushing anything
what I had been doing was flashing a ROM, any 4.3 and appropriate Gapps. I am very hygienic flasher and very careful to flash compatible packages. I would flash package and then use APP2ZIP to bring back all my apps. on the average about 24 hrs after flashing, I get reboot and it wont come back up. just keeps boot looping. I was thinking maybe had something to do with the apps i saved and flashed from APP2ZIPP being from 4.2 Gapps??? and i am trying to run 4.3 now. sounds kind of dumb now that i am typing it but, you pour a shot glass full of information into a thimball size brain, and you are bound to spill something.
so i tried today the 8/26 build of PAC ROM and did not flash my app zip. 2 hours later.........boot loop.
4.1 & 4.2 does not do this..............i don't get it.
is it something so simple it just got spilled?
4.3 didn't like my phone much either .........
RoOtBoX4/20..4AcEs4/21..SpEcCd+RoBoToEd+ViPeRd. 2$HAYNE!!!
That sucks captemo, 4.3 runs great on my phone far more stable then 4.2 . Have you tried wiping your internal and memory card? Is try that save all your important stuff wipe your phone completely and see how it runs.
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You could try reverting to stock first, then installing 4.3.
My phone didn't like any custom roms besides padawan and I'm like wtf? One day I decided to use kies and blitz everything on my phone. Now I can flash any rom properly and don't have any issues. I also blitzed the memory card so everything was fresh.
Sorry to hear your troubles. Good luck!
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That sucks captemo, 4.3 runs great on my phone far more stable then 4.2 . Have you tried wiping your internal and memory card? Is try that save all your important stuff wipe your phone completely and see how it runs.
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i have thought about that, read that others have done this..........i get a little nervous on things like this though. i have seen so many files and not sure what comes in the OS and what i ended up putting in there. whats ok to dump and whats not. or if i dump it all, will the necessities load back in with new ROM? honestly, i can get so nervous on what i consider a drastic move, i will say some very stupid things.
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You could try reverting to stock first, then installing 4.3.
My phone didn't like any custom roms besides padawan and I'm like wtf? One day I decided to use kies and blitz everything on my phone. Now I can flash any rom properly and don't have any issues. I also blitzed the memory card so everything was fresh.
Sorry to hear your troubles. Good luck!
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i have thought about both of these. i don't really consider this TROUBLES. not like i cant run any of these great ROM's on this excellent site. i cant eat caviar, but i am definitely NOT starving. i just cant seem to run 4.3. you think the flash counter has anything to do with??? i know, another dumb comment.
i suppose if something goes wrong, i have even better reasoning in convincing AT&T to allow me early upgrade............hmmmmmmmm.
can you say MMMMEEEEEGGGGAAAA ?
thanks guys, i appreciate the responses. will let ya know
I've ODIN'd back to stock several times when I start getting unusual problems. Very simple process actually and BlownFuze has a simple guide with the necessary files to download in his AOKP thread. Just save your music, pictures, ringtone, notification, SMS backup and download folder files and any other files you have added to phone storage to your PC. Flash back to stock, root and install TWRP then wipe everything including emmc and away you go. If you go into TWRP and mount your storage you'll find that the file transfer to and from the PC goes much faster. Hope this helps.
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I've ODIN'd back to stock several times when I start getting unusual problems. Very simple process actually and BlownFuze has a simple guide with the necessary files to download in his AOKP thread. Just save your music, pictures, ringtone, notification, SMS backup and download folder files and any other files you have added to phone storage to your PC. Flash back to stock, root and install TWRP then wipe everything including emmc and away you go. If you go into TWRP and mount your storage you'll find that the file transfer to and from the PC goes much faster. Hope this helps.
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i thank you for your feedback .i have returned to stock many times. it is the suggestion of clearing internal storage and deleting something vital. like going in for hangnail and removing the brain.
back on 4.2 until i get my ducks in a row and rehearse the process.
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i thank you for your feedback .i have returned to stock many times. it is the suggestion of clearing internal storage and deleting something vital. like going in for hangnail and removing the brain.
back on 4.2 until i get my ducks in a row and rehearse the process.
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Yeah, I know you make the rounds here and it always seemed like you know your stuff. I guess I didn't quite understand what you were asking.
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Yeah, I know you make the rounds here and it always seemed like you know your stuff. I guess I didn't quite understand what you were asking.
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i don't think we ever know as much as we want to know.
many times i tell folks to slow down, read and understand what you are doing. i try and do the same even on the most basic things. its when you get to comfortable that you make the dumbest mistakes. that's why i actually do kind of rehearse. i go through all the motions and my wife will even ask "who are you talking to?"
these devices are just too expensive to be careless. nobody is going to give me money or fix my phone for me.
I delete internal with every flash .. I do complete wipes every time haha
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Cap, my wife has my Note now, but it's running the first nightly of official 10.2 with Jamie's uber kernel.
Now, I don't mess with the kernel or change anything....I run just like Jamie offers it. And I mainly use the kernel for the swipe2wake feature. I didn't experience any r/r's when I was using it and let me tell you, if my wife was having problems.....she would be *****ing my head off.....
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alright, so as I like to weigh my options, research and be confident.
I respect many opinions here and value experience. I agree that wiping the memory is probably not a bad idea. from what I gather, there are 2 ways to go about this..........
1. for arguments sake I will call it he manual way. where I need to move everything myself, either to SD or computer, wipe, then replace?
2. let KIES do all the work? honestly i have not used KIES in this type of situation.
will I need to root again or will it retain?
will KIES get a full erase as manual option my provide?
if I choose manual option how do I know I have moved ONLY my personal stuff and not a valuable part of the OS required for phone work after laying the ground to waste with napalm?
I can give anybody $500 or a brick, I don't need to make it myself
captemo said:
alright, so as I like to weigh my options, research and be confident.
I respect many opinions here and value experience. I agree that wiping the memory is probably not a bad idea. from what I gather, there are 2 ways to go about this..........
1. for arguments sake I will call it he manual way. where I need to move everything myself, either to SD or computer, wipe, then replace?
2. let KIES do all the work? honestly i have not used KIES in this type of situation.
will I need to root again or will it retain?
will KIES get a full erase as manual option my provide?
if I choose manual option how do I know I have moved ONLY my personal stuff and not a valuable part of the OS required for phone work after laying the ground to waste with napalm?
I can give anybody $500 or a brick, I don't need to make it myself
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3. Let TWRP do it in recovery?
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Greetings all,
The Honor 5x is the first phone i have been able to use custom rom's on.
I wanted to know how to approach updates for these devices.
Basically, i want to know:
Do i still receive basic android security patches (Not necessarily the Huawei ones)?
What do i need to do to keep my device up to date with these patches?
Is there a way that I can update/switch roms without loosing my data or installed apps?
I am not technically un-savvy. This is just my first real time with android that i can play with.
Previous experience has been locked down verizon devices.
Any tips or info is helpful.
~EDIT~
I probably should have been more clear on my original post. Apologies for the confusion:
-- I have already unlocked the device through the Huawei official method using their site
-- I have TWRP, and understand how to backup my current ROM, or flash a new one (Currently running the stock de-bloated By clsA)
-- I have NOT tried to flash a different ROM over an existing one (if this is a thing?), instead they have all been full wipe-and-install.
-- Cyanogenmod wasn't my thing. EMUI with Nova launcher looks better to me, and lag hasn't been an issue since i turned off most of the animations.
-- I do have a working SD card, and have the Tasker app backup my latest TWRP zip from my SD card to my home-server when i get to my home wifi. (Double backup locations covered.)
Currently, what i'm trying to learn is if there is a way to flash a new ROM, but keep my apps installed so that i don't have to re-install them every time. (I'm thinking similar to a Linux /Home directory?)
As a day job I am a Cisco CCNA, but that doesn't really qualify me to be knowledgeable in android. However, I'm pretty used to technical stuff, and don't mind using the ADB interface (still learning), as it's reasonably similar to what i already know.
You need a PC to keep your backups- custom ROM backups can be restored using TWRP, stock rom backups need stock recovery.
Only stock ROM gets security updates via OTA that require an unmodified stock rom. Meaning no root and no TWRP.
There's a lot of information on this site- read up some and we will be here for help.
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Arobase40 said:
If this is your first Android smartphone why do you need to play with custom ROM ???
If you do care about official updates just stay on stock, take time to be accustomed with it and with all potential apps as there are so many things to discover and it may take some months to deal with.
Maybe later, much later if you're really unsatisfied with it you could then probably change for another ROM, but for now just use it as it...
You can also play with all the Play Store apps which won't modify you device internally but which could bring nice effects such as a new launcher, themes, wallpaper, keyboards, etc...
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It is not his first Android device. Verizon seems to lock their device so costumers won't be able to flash ROMs, sadly.
Dead_Dude said:
You need a PC to keep your backups- custom ROM backups can be restored using TWRP, stock rom backups need stock recovery.
Only stock ROM gets security updates via OTA that require an unmodified stock rom. Meaning no root and no TWRP.
There's a lot of information on this site- read up some and we will be here for help.
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Thanks for clearing up the OTA update.
I already keep backups on my PC, but after starting to use TWRP to mess about i don't want to go back to stock.
Arobase40 said:
If this is your first Android smartphone why do you need to play with custom ROM ???
If you do care about official updates just stay on stock, take time to be accustomed with it and with all potential apps as there are so many things to discover and it may take some months to deal with.
Maybe later, much later if you're really unsatisfied with it you could then probably change for another ROM, but for now just use it as it...
You can also play with all the Play Store apps which won't modify you device internally but which could bring nice effects such as a new launcher, themes, wallpaper, keyboards, etc...
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Not my first android phone, but the first one that was unlockable and can use custom roms.
As i am not familiar with custom roms as much as i am with stock android, i am not sure how this changes how i should handle my device security.
Should i be substituting these OTA updates i am used to with manual ones? does missing them put me at risk?
bylithium said:
It is not his first Android device. Verizon seems to lock their device so costumers won't be able to flash ROMs, sadly.
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They do. Bootloader lock, and not able to install custom recovery. Also, sideloading is super complicated. Bricking the phone is super easy too, so you can't even poke around much...
Thanks for the great post!
I realize that I should have probably put more info in my initial post, so i've made some additions.
I'm still learning about the ADB interface, and how the whole flashing process works. (I can do it, but don't totally understand what's going on when I do)
Here's what I added, just for reference sake.
I probably should have been more clear on my original post. Apologies for the confusion:
-- I have already unlocked the device through the Huawei official method using their site
-- I have TWRP, and understand how to backup my current ROM, or flash a new one (Currently running the stock de-bloated By clsA)
-- I have NOT tried to flash a different ROM over an existing one (if this is a thing?), instead they have all been full wipe-and-install.
-- Cyanogenmod wasn't my thing. EMUI with Nova launcher looks better to me, and lag hasn't been an issue since i turned off most of the animations.
-- I do have a working SD card, and have the Tasker app backup my latest TWRP zip from my SD card to my home-server when i get to my home wifi. (Double backup locations covered.)
Currently, what i'm trying to learn is if there is a way to flash a new ROM, but keep my apps installed so that i don't have to re-install them every time. (I'm thinking similar to a Linux /Home directory?)
As a day job I am a Cisco CCNA, but that doesn't really qualify me to be knowledgeable in android. However, I'm pretty used to technical stuff, and don't mind using the ADB interface (still learning), as it's reasonably similar to what i already know.
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itsbentheboy said:
Thanks for the great post!
I realize that I should have probably put more info in my initial post, so i've made some additions.
I'm still learning about the ADB interface, and how the whole flashing process works. (I can do it, but don't totally understand what's going on when I do)
Here's what I added, just for reference sake.
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Here's the bottom line
if your phone is on say lollipop 5.1.1 and you want to flash a rom 5.1.1 it's not necessary to wipe / factory reset your phone
if your phone is android 6 and you wish to return to lollipop 5.1.1 you need to totally wipe the phone (clean start) then return to 5.1.1
same if your on 5.1.1 and moving up to android 6 a clean start is the best.
If your flashing from android 6 (cm13) to another android 6 (Bliss rom) no wipe is needed (it's called Dirty flash)
If you want to play with custom ROMs
1. Stick to apps that have cloud saves.
Flashing ROMs in the safest way requires wiping the entire device. Dirty flashing can cause completely unpredictable results.
2. Get yourself a huge SD card. Maybe a spare to hold a backup stock image in the DLOAD folder. You won't always have a PC available to bring your phone back from a bad ROM.
3. Stick to the cloud as much as possible. But for the app or two you can't use the cloud with, get a good backup app. This device has a decent enough app on stock, but the app you use must run on all the ROMs you use Also remember, a lot of backups won't restore on m from l or vice versa.
4. Stick to the cloud. I've lost GTA game saves and worse by relying on an app to backup stuff properly. Manually copying files is much more reliable but slow.
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