As the title says I'm a Pre-med Biology Major thinking of double majoring in computer science (purely because of my new profound love for android and the way it intuitively becomes a big tool of my life.) As a junior moving into higher level physics and bio classes. Could I manage coding classes as well. I'm a pretty good student, 3.1 GPA. Is it even necessary to get university lecture on the material, or can it be self taught? I've always had a knack for computers and was upgrading hardware on a brand new Windows ME system when I was like 8-9. Yeah it exists, Google it lol.
Bottom line, where do I start? I think if Organic Chemistry II doesn't do me in, I might have a fighting chance.
Suggestions? Languages to learn?
Thanks,
Edit: I'm really proficient with the adobe suite. Any perks with that?
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not sure what its like in the states, but in Australia pretty much all university computer science courses teach you Java first, then use that as a basis for more advanced subjects. Which is handy as Android apps in particular are built using the Java framework.
If you want to get into Android then take Java. I know you can build apps with C++ as well but Java is a lot more common.
I think any graphics tool skills will be useful if you are creating your own apps. If you are an android programmer for a development house then you would have a graphics team doing that work for you.
I say learn Java to start out, its the main language for just about every android app/game. And I too have a love for science (chemistry, biology)
And computers.
Nothing should stop you from learning, and nothing should stop you from thinking freely. Do what you love!
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Get your first degree and then move on to the second if you wish. If you jump around too much, some unexpected life event may come and you will be stuck with a whole bunch of credits and not much to show for it.
Unlike most other fields, computer science and IT is actually mostly self taught. This is the one field that traditional university isn't a necessity and thats why there's so many certifications and phenomenal self study resources. So if you're interested, start reading up.
That being said, I would be careful with your choice with a Biology degree. Dont get me wrong, its a totally different story if you live and breathe medicine and are 100% committed on pursuing medical school. However, if you dont go the MD route, a Biology degree in the real world won't get you very far. I've know plenty of people with Pre-Med degrees who are back in school a second time cuz they can barely find a job.
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Hello I appreciate the time you are taking to read my thread!
I have a background in real estate development and no programming experience. I already have a bachelors in Business (emphasis Finance). I am currently getting my MBA in an evening program at one of the top 20 schools in the world. I don't want to go back into real estate and want to get into the tech industry.
What I really want is to become a mobile applications developer (ios/andriod).
I can financially support my existence with a part-time job and the MBA really isn't that hard because I have an undergrad degree in business. These activities will take about 35 hours of my time a week, 45 hours during finals week.
So, I want to go back and get a degree so I can break into this field. So I am looking for recommendations.
Looking at the local state college it looks like the program is really outdated and I won't learn much practical knowledge. Having already done a bunch of college I don't really want to spend my time getting a degree to have another degree. I want to be at least relatively work force ready at graduation.
So it looks like my only option is to do an online degree.
I have identified a few options.
Full Sail, this was the only program I could find where you can specifically study Mobile development. I like that its completely project based because I will learn practical experience. Having a completed app by graduation will certainly help find a job I would think. It is however expensive and I have seen some complaints about the school online. However these complaints seemed to be mostly from people pursing a recording arts degree. IMO its crazy to pursue a degree where thousands of people graduate for only a few new openings a year. Could probably graduate in about 2 years.
Western Governors University. Has lots of good reviews online and is quite inexpensive ($6000 a year). Also you get 18 tech certifications as you go through the program. I am worried it will be less practical and it will certainly take more time. Also, its in "software" in general. So I would need to spend additional time after graduation getting more certifications and building an app to get hired most likely.
Baker College, I haven't heard much about it. It's also pretty inexpensive. Looks like it could take a while.
I have also seen Mobile development certifications from Champlain College and University of Washington Online
I would love to hear of what tech professionals think about these degrees/programs. Also, if you have heard of any other options please let me know!
Sorry I'm not a tech pro but I did enroll into Full Sail Mobile App program. I am starting on the 30th of this month. I did 3 months of extensive research including some of the schools you mentioned, and from what I have found is that Full Sail offers the best Mobile Program you can find. The applications they teach you to use is future proof. What I mean by that for example is once you learn Adobe CSS 5.5, it will be easy to transition into CSS 6, or 6.5 when it does come out. The only down side I see to it is that you are going to pay for it. The program is expensive $57,000 total for a B.A.S. From what I see is its worth it, if your serious about pursuing this career field, Full Sail is the way to go if you can afford it. Its either this or learn old soon to be outdated tools at other schools only to end up trying to catch up even after you graduate.
breaking in to the mobile dev industry
I have a similar interest in getting started in the mobile app development industry. i agree with the initial poster that going to a brick and mortar school to learn will soon be outdated once you graduate. It's hard for them to keep up with the changing nature of the industry.
I have zero experience in programming and mobile app development. As I learn about the field, I have more questions.
I haven't looked into the different programs available, but I would imagine there are some free resources to learn some basics without having to go through a degree. What does a degree even mean? I feel that being able to create something tangible is more valuable than a piece of paper. I'm sure there is a benefit to the degree as it gives you the necessary background information. W3schools offers free online training in a plethora of disciplines...html, css xml...and so on. I just need to find out which ones I need to focus on, and how to put it all together.
60K for a degree is a lot. Hope you are able to find a job afterward to pay off the loan, or if you're lucky to recoup the investment of the tuition.
Hi i am interested in becoming a developer. I have been researching schools that have bachelor degrees in mobile operating systems. The most clear cut program i have found is through full sail university.. However they font have the best credentials. I had wondering what some of the developers and mods might think of full sail and any recommendations they might have for other programs
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Others can correct me if they disagree, but I think that the reason that you're not finding much in the way of "mobile operating systems" degree programs is that there just aren't that many schools that have a program that narrowly focused, especially in an area so (relatively) newly booming. I'm interested in a career in mobile developemtn and I'm nearing the end of a Computer Science bachelors program, and I feel like I've been very well served by it -- I think you're much more likely to find long-term success if you look more towards a general Computer Science degree at a reputable college or university rather than some flashy super-specific program at a for-profit school like Full Sail University. I'm not inclined to say that their program would hold up.
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Hi i am interested in becoming a developer. I have been researching schools that have bachelor degrees in mobile operating systems. The most clear cut program i have found is through full sail university.. However they font have the best credentials. I had wondering what some of the developers and mods might think of full sail and any recommendations they might have for other programs
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What you want is a BS in computer science because you need to learn the languages, not how to do one specific thing. The main idea behind it all is learning how to think like a programmer. I've seen mobile app dev classes at my university, but they normally require pre req computer science classes and they aren't part of a degree program.
- In reality though many programmers never go to school. Everything you need to know is on the internet. It will be a long road but well worth it, the hardest part is getting started, and sticking with it. I'd suggest starting here:
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/want-to-learn-how-to-program-for-android-start-here/
I agree with the other two posters. Dont pursue a degree in mobile developing. Who knows, maybe within 5 years the next big thing might be here and render all this mobile stuff useless. However, all this programming and how to think like a programmer stuff will still be around, not to say that things you learn from mobile development wont be relevant though. When you fully decide to go this route, stick with it and be dedicated. You will spend many, many, many nights trying to do the simplest things. You will need plenty of time to study and code. If you have kids, it'll be even tougher but still doable if you are dedicated, you'll just simply sleep a lot less. There will also be many night when some strange errors will seem unsolvable and that's when it'll push you to your limits. At that point, it makes or breaks a lot of people and I have reason to believe it breaks a lot of folks. Anyway, its a long road ahead. It took me a very long time to create my fist app and it was the simplest app ever. If I had to build that app again, I could probably do it in less than a hour and it'll probably be better than the first one, haha. Also, most developers know that its something like 90% of the code is already written for you, its the 10% of what you code that make it unique and yours. Good luck.
Recently I've been looking into checking out this online school for Android development. My question is to any and all developers is a school like this worth the time and effort do learn how to develop because it something I'm interested in learning how to do I just don't know if something like this is actually going to benefit me in any way.
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Well if this is your first time programming then yes. It opens your mind in a new way.... Pay to learn? No. Go and learn java. Then android development will be easy to just pick up. For roms it's much easier to learn just picking apart mods and looking up xda tutorials
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I also had a similar question like this. Right now I'm looking to go into coding and developing as a profession. In my high school I picked my classes for next year and two classes I picked were computer sciences a and b. The course description said learning how to code in Java. So this would help with android? Obviously it will probably be vary basic but I figured it would look good on a college application and what not.
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I believe you need to learn at least Java and C programming language.
This thread has some usefull links http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2056596
This is kind of a big discussion and not as simple as you think.
There are some really important and big concepts you need to know for development of any kind - not just Android:
1. Theories - nearly all programming languages apply the same theories, they just have different syntax.
2. Data structures and algorithms will make you extremely efficient and powerful in coding.
That being said, I started off as a Software Engineer major, only to find out that I really don't care much for core coding - I learned that I loved scripting (Python, LUA, Shell, etc).
Scripting is different because instead of manipulating the core system, you work with what other software engineers have done and code as if you are writing a script for a play. There are SDKs that take advantage of scripting such as Corona SDK.
Either way, the best way to go (IMHO):
1. C programming
2. Python
3. C++
4. Data Structures and Algorithms
5. Java and or what ever other language you want to learn.
most online/regular universities will teach along this schedule I believe. Best of luck to you! I hope this helped a little.
Python won't help them at all with android
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Python won't help them at all with android
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Maybe not directly, but if he's learning how to program from scratch, python is a gentle way to get introduced to OOP and other programming concepts useful for java.
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Eriknors, so is the info helpful? I can't wait for your new pron app with one-legged women.
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Maybe not directly, but if he's learning how to program from scratch, python is a gentle way to get introduced to OOP and other programming concepts useful for java.
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Honestly it'd be easier to just start with java. The basics are pretty simple to understand and there are great tutorials for it.
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Eriknors, so is the info helpful? I can't wait for your new pron app with one-legged women.
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Honestly I'm still not clear as where to start. C programming, C++ isn't that the same thing? I've d/l an introduction to C++ but I feel like a guy who can't read walking into a library with this stuff. As much as I wanna learn android developing it seems like all I can find on all these topics throws u into the pool with no floaties and expects you to just know how to swim.
I've always thought I've been pretty knowledgeable on android aside from the whole developing aspect. I'm always the go to guy when it comes to an issue with my friends phones eg: rooting or trouble shooting. But after trying to see what all goes into developing I feel like they must feel when they ask me questions.
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Honestly I'm still not clear as where to start. C programming, C++ isn't that the same thing? I've d/l an introduction to C++ but I feel like a guy who can't read walking into a library with this stuff. As much as I wanna learn android developing it seems like all I can find on all these topics throws u into the pool with no floaties and expects you to just know how to swim.
I've always thought I've been pretty knowledgeable on android aside from the whole developing aspect. I'm always the go to guy when it comes to an issue with my friends phones eg: rooting or trouble shooting. But after trying to see what all goes into developing I feel like they must feel when they ask me questions.
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Start with java. Simple as that. Java is an easy language. It's what android is based off of. Don't worry about c for now. There are many java lessons online for free also. Download eclipse as the ide. It's great for beginners and explains things for you when a problem arises which helps alot
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Hey, i'm a cs student so in my opinon the order of language is best if you learn.
1. Intro to programing aka Intro to Computer Science (with C++ or python)
2. Data Structures (with C++ or python)
3. Object Oriented Programing (withJava)
3.5 learn some java api for Android
If you are really willing to learn by yourself, MIT puts up it's lectures so you can follow along and maybe post questions on a forum for learners?
open course ware(free mit lectures): http://goo.gl/BXpY
good luck!
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Hey, i'm a cs student so in my opinon the order of language is best if you learn.
1/2. C++/python (i just did C++ but i understood it really easily so i stuck with it. (just now learning python))
3. Java
If you are really willing to learn by yourself, MIT puts up it's lectures so you can follow along and maybe post questions on a forum for learners?
open course ware(free mit lectures): http://goo.gl/BXpY
good luck!
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Both one and two don't pertain to android however
*source, im cs student also
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Both one and two don't pertain to android however
*source, im cs student also
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Yes they don't pertain to android but learning java from point 0 does not really help understand programing really well. 1/2 help people understand basics of programing then taking something like data structures helps learn more strategies to make program efficient. After you have those steps covered, learning about objects makes sense. You shouldn't start learning about objects off the start because then you'd be like wtf i'm lost or not know exactly what you are doing. correct? Java also doesn't let the user know anything about memory. if i'm not correct then i guess a lot of colleges need to rethink the way they teach cs eh?
but thank you. I will edit my post to include data structures.
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Yes they don't pertain to android but learning java from point 0 does not really help understand programing really well. 1/2 help people understand basics of programing then taking something like data structures helps learn more strategies to make program efficient. After you have those steps covered, learning about objects makes sense. You shouldn't start learning about objects off the start because then you'd be like wtf i'm lost or not know exactly what you are doing. correct? Java also doesn't let the user know anything about memory. if i'm not correct then i guess a lot of colleges need to rethink the way they teach cs eh?
but thank you. I will edit my post to include data structures.
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1, teaching someone programming for cs is completely different than teaching someone who just wants to program android apps.
2, in the past couple of years a lot of colleges have started teaching java first, because it is actually a good starting point.
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1, teaching someone programming for cs is completely different than teaching someone who just wants to program android apps.
2, in the past couple of years a lot of colleges have started teaching java first, because it is actually a good starting point.
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Mine included. Data structures is actually sophomore year for us. We learn java for a year first, making our own data typesn such
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Bigandrewgold said:
1, teaching someone programming for cs is completely different than teaching someone who just wants to program android apps.
2, in the past couple of years a lot of colleges have started teaching java first, because it is actually a good starting point.
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Yes, my teachers debated on why that was and wasn't a good option..and the first thing that pops up is java takes care of way too many things. if you do that, the people who learn from java get super confused when they go to other language. Its the same reason beginners don't use IDEs like eclipse because it does half the work for you... also teaching someone cs makes them a much better programer...and the first two courses are basically for most engineers...and for people learning coding...
think about it. you start with basic coding like loops..then you are like what now? what if i want a big program that is fast and memory efficient when dealing with bigger data...well you need data structures...okay cool now what? i can make a program that will run once or so and process information...well what if i want to write a giant program that has multiple things happening independent of the other.
well objects would be cool cause they can hold their own information...object oriented programing bam...now i can basically make any program/app with those skills if you try (i guess AI would be hard but thats a higher level CS topic)
if you just know java and Android's api, its not going to help you build your own program...syntax isn't everything
btw i'm not being sassy or mad. i really enjoy this debate
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Yes, my teachers debated on why that was and wasn't a good option..and the first thing that pops up is java takes care of way too many things. if you do that, the people who learn from java get super confused when they go to other language. Its the same reason beginners don't use IDEs like eclipse because it does half the work for you... also teaching someone cs makes them a much better programer...and the first two courses are basically for most engineers...and for people learning coding...
think about it. you start with basic coding like loops..then you are like what now? what if i want a big program that is fast and memory efficient when dealing with bigger data...well you need data structures...okay cool now what? i can make a program that will run once or so and process information...well what if i want to write a giant program that has multiple things happening independent of the other.
well objects would be cool cause they can hold their own information...object oriented programing bam...now i can basically make any program/app with those skills if you try (i guess AI would be hard but thats a higher level CS topic)
if you just know java and Android's api, its not going to help you build your own program...syntax isn't everything
btw i'm not being sassy or mad. i really enjoy this debate
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Cs would definitely be better if he was trying to code graphic intense or heavy programs. But most likely he will start basic. I liked starting with eclipse because the program kept me from making those really simple mistakes that take hours to find (forgetting a closing parentheses and such... <-- see what i did there lol .. But no really. Learning methods and how to build data types isn't that hard either. May be confusing at first glance but princeton has there book online and so is the complete FIT java 1002 course. Which teaches all the concepts like recursion, bubble sort, selection sort n more... While i do recommend he learn data structures. I think that those who can't handle jumping into java aren't going to be great jumping in cs later in the courses.... Lol no worries i like debates too
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Cs would definitely be better if he was trying to code graphic intense or heavy programs. But most likely he will start basic. I liked starting with eclipse because the program kept me from making those really simple mistakes that take hours to find (forgetting a closing parentheses and such... <-- see what i did there lol .. But no really. Learning methods and how to build data types isn't that hard either. May be confusing at first glance but princeton has there book online and so is the complete FIT java 1002 course. Which teaches all the concepts like recursion, bubble sort, selection sort n more... While i do recommend he learn data structures. I think that those who can't handle jumping into java aren't going to be great jumping in cs later in the courses.... Lol no worries i like debates too
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i see what you did there
Not using IDEs is part of the experience of learning! using text based editor that highlights stuff would be much better...think about it like teaching kids multiplication with calculators when they first learn. its not good. when they to something they need to do mental math in, they suck at it. Your intro class should probably not use an IDE in my opinion. You are correct if the op just wants to make a simple app once or twice, but i assumed the op actually wanted to learn programing and making good apps. I guess we'd need the op to clarify. I don't agree with you on the java statement. If you want to get a deeper understanding of what java does behind the scenes, you need to know about pointers and classes and objects beforehand. Yes you can just try to learn java and do stuff other people do and try to modify things, but if you don't want to waste a bunch of time getting frustrated and settling for lesser things because you don't understand how things work in the language, you can just go for java as first language...I guess our debate is moot unless we know what the op is looking for. proper programing or some dirty programing to use for a smaller task. i'm curious. did you find it hard to get into c++ if you learned java first? i'd think most people would get annoyed cause java takes care of so much even though it is bytecode thus slower.
btw i'm ironically in my java class right now xD
Your best bet is to go beyond that. Anyone can make a rom, build a kernel, or even a AOSP build. Tons and tons of people build new kernels for their home boxes every day. It just takes time to learn how to deal with the compiling errors, and fix the bugs in your new kernel. Anyone that can use winzip can build a rom.
What we need are people with the skills to tear down locked devices and make them unlockable.
Hello,
First things first, thank you for clicking on the link.
I am a computer science major about 1/3 of the way through my educational career. I have been exploring opportunities each summer through internships and volunteerism how to be a better programmer and become more pragmatic in my approach. Recently, I have drawn up ideas for a UX design concept. Obviously, since I am a noob developer and know nothing about GUI (my classes in school completely skip over this section and it has always interested me). The most I have done was take a data structures and algorithms class which is like intermediate java. I have html experience as well and just started css course in code academy.
I figured this would be the best place to ask since it is a pretty large community of well-versed developers; not just for android but for the windows 8 and apple platforms as well.
What books, websites, mentors do you recommend I learn from in order to enhance my skillset so that I may implement these design concepts I have come up with. Honestly, they are all ideas on paper right now. I want to even slightly implement them so any help is appreciated. Thank you in advance for your time.
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Hello,
First things first, thank you for clicking on the link.
I am a computer science major about 1/3 of the way through my educational career. I have been exploring opportunities each summer through internships and volunteerism how to be a better programmer and become more pragmatic in my approach. Recently, I have drawn up ideas for a UX design concept. Obviously, since I am a noob developer and know nothing about GUI (my classes in school completely skip over this section and it has always interested me). The most I have done was take a data structures and algorithms class which is like intermediate java. I have html experience as well and just started css course in code academy.
I figured this would be the best place to ask since it is a pretty large community of well-versed developers; not just for android but for the windows 8 and apple platforms as well.
What books, websites, mentors do you recommend I learn from in order to enhance my skillset so that I may implement these design concepts I have come up with. Honestly, they are all ideas on paper right now. I want to even slightly implement them so any help is appreciated. Thank you in advance for your time.
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I would suggest you try Human-Computer Interaction on coursera. Its a free course conducted by a professor from Stanford through the coursera platform. It'll give you a basic understanding of UX, UI and interaction. The course may feel a bit rushed because the assignments may take some time to do. This of course, depends on individuals so some people may not feel rushed and some may feel they need more than the allocated time. It takes about 9 weeks to complete. The latest offering just finished but there should be another one being offered in september or so.
This course is not a certified course and will not gain you credit though. Even so, I feel its one of the best courses on coursera. I know i gained a lot from it. You could read up about it and use the "watchlist" feature so you'll know when the next offering is. Here's the link:
coursera.org/course/hci
Hi all,
Please give any opinions all very welcome
I messed up at school and have done everything the hard way self taught in everything. Ive been in the security systems field for 10 years.
I went back to college 10 years ago at night and did C++ , it was supposed to be a foundation course but it was a 2 year course crammed into a year and had to be a job related field for 2 years min, i have never done it before but i told the lecturer who said i was on the wrong course that i would sit in the corner and catch up, i caught up in a few weeks and finished the year with a 98% distinction, he said he couldnt believe it and i should to a diploma. i couldnt as it was full time and i had a mortgage and family.
Things are different now and i have a year for study.
My question is should i continue with C++ or start and concentrate on Java & linux
Ideally i want to be able to write apps that can earn me money, if this isnt possible initially (after a year) then use what ive learnt to work part time as linux or java system admin/ dev
Thanks
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Things are different now and i have a year for study.
My question is should i continue with C++ or start and concentrate on Java & linux
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Depends on the stuff you prefer to code. If you're more into Linux, Embedded System adn Real Time OSes then you should stick with C/C++. You should learn the new stull though like the boost library (it were popular nowadays) especially you should learn to use boost::shared_ptr which free a C++ programmer from the burden of manual memory menagment. You should also get a book on modern C++ programming (10 years ago C++ code looked more like C with classes now it's more Java like with a big focus on parterns, good OO design, boost, stl).
If you want to code enterprise Web Applications, PC applications or Android then go with Java (although C++ is also usful for phone programming).
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Ideally i want to be able to write apps that can earn me money, if this isnt possible initially (after a year) then use what ive learnt to work part time as linux or java system admin/ dev
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Really depends on the place you live in and how many job offers there are. In some places the demand for programmer is so big now that you can get hired with the stuff you already know (10 years in the sec industry and C++ knowladge). My company for example hires people that know a thing or two about computers and programming and teaches the rest (you get like a year to learn the ropes or you're out). The only thing requires is to be a fast learner, get the job done and to have a personality that allowes you to work with others.
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Depends on the stuff you prefer to code. If you're more into Linux, Embedded System adn Real Time OSes then you should stick with C/C++. You should learn the new stull though like the boost library (it were popular nowadays) especially you should learn to use boost::shared_ptr which free a C++ programmer from the burden of manual memory menagment. You should also get a book on modern C++ programming (10 years ago C++ code looked more like C with classes now it's more Java like with a big focus on parterns, good OO design, boost, stl).
If you want to code enterprise Web Applications, PC applications or Android then go with Java (although C++ is also usful for phone programming).
Really depends on the place you live in and how many job offers there are. In some places the demand for programmer is so big now that you can get hired with the stuff you already know (10 years in the sec industry and C++ knowladge). My company for example hires people that know a thing or two about computers and programming and teaches the rest (you get like a year to learn the ropes or you're out). The only thing requires is to be a fast learner, get the job done and to have a personality that allowes you to work with others.
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521 views and finally a reply... thanks for taking the time mate, much appreciated :good:
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521 views and finally a reply... thanks for taking the time mate, much appreciated :good:
barks
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No problem Take care.
Being a good developer and a good sys admin are I would say, two quite different things. Personally I would spend some time working out which you *really* want to do, and follow that path.
If you're going to write apps, you're not gonna be able to do it in C++, it's that simple. Sure there's the NDK but the UI has to be in Java anyway, and it's (in most cases) unnecessary to write the app in C++ anyway. If you're writing something where you really need to be closer to the hardware then fine, but for normal apps/games it just doesn't make sense.
What I would recommend is start writing some simple apps - firstly you'll see if you like doing it, and secondly you'll learn so much. Reading about stuff only gets you so far! There are great resources online for tutorials, or like stackoverflow where you can ask questions.
Making money from apps in my opinion is more about the app and the idea than the implementation. I think it's pretty difficult to write an app that actually generates any revenue without a great idea or great game concept.