Hey guys and gals, I am coming over to T-Mobile from Verizon on Thursday, and most likely getting the HTC One in the process.
Maybe this is a Verizon thing, but sometimes when you accept an OTA update, it will break root, relock the bootloader and you are stuck without root if you take the update.
Do I need to worry about that on T-Mobile and the One? In other words, when I'm in the store purchasing the phone, should I try and stop them from running any updates? Or can I root regardless?
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WizeGuyDezignz said:
Hey guys and gals, I am coming over to T-Mobile from Verizon on Thursday, and most likely getting the HTC One in the process.
Maybe this is a Verizon thing, but sometimes when you accept an OTA update, it will break root, relock the bootloader and you are stuck without root if you take the update.
Do I need to worry about that on T-Mobile and the One? In other words, when I'm in the store purchasing the phone, should I try and stop them from running any updates? Or can I root regardless?
Thanks!
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If you root on tmobile then you won't get any OTA updates, so that's a moot worry. Luckily the updates pop on here pretty quickly so you can simply sideload them.
BableMan said:
If you root on tmobile then you won't get any OTA updates, so that's a moot worry. Luckily the updates pop on here pretty quickly so you can simply sideload them.
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I understand that and I totally intend to root my phone. But what if the sales rep runs the update on the phone while activating it? Will I still be able to root and s-off?
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WizeGuyDezignz said:
I understand that and I totally intend to root my phone. But what if the sales rep runs the update on the phone while activating it? Will I still be able to root and s-off?
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Yes you will. No worries
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I'm happy without root. Only thing that I hate is that I can't get rid of kids mode, that water game, carrier iq, and lookout. However, because I have the premium handset protection I got the paid version for free recently which is nice.
As well as the T-Mobile apps visual voicemail (i want to use Google voice and can't) , T-Mobile tv, and the name id app that has since expired from the trial period which is stupid if you ask me. Spend $600 bucks and can't get something like that free.
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You can disable Lookout and the T-Mobile apps in Settings > apps > all
Scroll down and find them one-by-one, click on the app, click "disable"
wala!
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Just curious.... has anyone ever looked at the contract lately. I was looking to see where it said anything about rooting devices but no dice. Can someone clear that up maybe with a link? Thank you
I don't believe the contract says anything about it, but the warranty on the other hand is a different story.
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I always wondered, if you told Verizon you are or were rooted, do they write it down? So even if you unroot they will know your warranty is void?
im_high_tech said:
I always wondered, if you told Verizon you are or were rooted, do they write it down? So even if you unroot they will know your warranty is void?
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Well with the Rezound, you need to use an unlock key from HTC's site, so they know you rooted your phone..
mjones73 said:
Well with the Rezound, you need to use an unlock key from HTC's site, so they know you rooted your phone..
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I don't think they coordinate with vzw on that ... I would be very surprised I'd they did. But as for warranty... how would it void that?
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First of all, they probably won't check the bootloader to see if you've unlocked it. And if you really wanna be precautious, you can revert back to locked, although it is an extensive process
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Honestly i really understand why unlocking the bootloader voids your warranty since you cant really break your phone being S-ON, now if you were S-OFF that is a whole other story. And honestly someone who is unlocked and/or rooted is likely to have enough experience to be able to fix almost any software related issue(not always the case though). Being unlocked and/or rooted shouldnt hold you back from sending it in for warranty. Although i have heard some people say it goes through warranty just fine being rooted and unlocked.
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First of all, they probably won't check the bootloader to see if you've unlocked it. And if you really wanna be precautious, you can revert back to locked, although it is an extensive process
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I know what I can do... but it has nothing to do with my device ... I just am curious if vzw has anything legit in place against modifying software on the phones. I've seen where it says you can not modify the hardware but saw nothing of software
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cslingerland said:
I know what I can do... but it has nothing to do with my device ... I just am curious if vzw has anything legit in place against modifying software on the phones. I've seen where it says you can not modify the hardware but saw nothing of software
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I don't know legally what they can do, but I've had a few conversations with the local reps in my area. They don't care if you phone is rooted as most of them have rooted phones. I was in with my dad the one day back when he was getting the Tbolt, and the rep noticed that my bolt was rooted. He said honestly, he would never recommend the bolt to someone who wasn't going to root it anyway. I've been told that they are a lot more lax about rooting now than they were in the past.
At the Verizon store near me, the only person that cares is the manager. The rest of the employees don't care
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As far as I know Verizon doesn't care at all if you root, (I've unlocked the bootloader, relocked and sent in many Rezounds and they never cared) and HTC just tells you they have the right to not honor your warranty when you unlock your bootloader, at their discretion, but they almost always honor it.
Another thing, unless you have the extended warranty with Verizon (I think), your Rezound's warranty is handled by HTC, Verizon is just the middle man.
Legally Verizon can't do anything as it is legal for any consumer to root and do whatever the hell they want with the software on their phones, but they can choose not to honor your warranty if they feel your modifications are the reason the phone became faulty. Link http://www.intomobile.com/2010/07/26/iphone-jailbreak-and-android-root-declared-legal-in-us-feds-exempt-smartphone-hacks-from-dmca/
So your safe, have fun rooting worry free !
Isn't there a way to trick your phone so that Verizon can't tell you did it?
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My thought has always been yes I received a unlock code, but show me proof that I actually used the code and unlocked the bootloader.
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I have already sent back 4 Rezounds this year under the warranty and as I made of fact I am now awaiting my 5th any day. Each one was unlocked and rooted. I re-flash the RUU before sending it back and have not had an issue yet.
Jimi Mack said:
I have already sent back 4 Rezounds this year under the warranty and as I made of fact I am now awaiting my 5th any day. Each one was unlocked and rooted. I re-flash the RUU before sending it back and have not had an issue yet.
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have you sent them back for legit problems? and what were you problems? (even if you made them up )
I think the only risk you would have is if they somehow found out you were tethering. It does day in the Verizon contact that you can't tether without using (and paying for) their service.
But I've also heard from countless people that they would never know. Unless you returned a phone with the tether app and files still in there.
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Doesn't tetherguard tell them you are tethering?
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They throw the returns in a bin. The whole idea of non removable battery is to make it easyer on the return department
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chrisjz said:
Doesn't tetherguard tell them you are tethering?
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No...they can't do anything unless you were stock and they had an app or service running at all times to monitor it. Otherwise they would have no way to tell
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cslingerland said:
No...they can't do anything unless you were stock and they had an app or service running at all times to monitor it. Otherwise they would have no way to tell
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Not 100% true. If you are doing a WiFi tether, where the device is acting as a hotspot they can tell because they can see more than one private IP being routed through your devices' public IP. This combined with the fact that you don't have hotspot on your account can be considered a breach of contract.
Hey all,
So I'm using the DNA on AT&T and it works great. My question is, how do I go about getting the new software update that's being pushed out to other users while I'm on AT&T? For some reason, my DNA won't pick up the OTA on AT&T, and even sticking an old, deactivating Verizon SIM in it won't work either. I've also tried just using no SIM on wifi and checking for the update but still nothing. Any way I can download the RUU or something? Thanks!
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I think you can just download the update. Zip on the server and then flash it to your phone and you will have the update I know people over seas are probably going to do it that way since they can't get the ota in another country where there is no service.
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Jaggar345 said:
I think you can just download the update. Zip on the server and then flash it to your phone and you will have the update I know people over seas are probably going to do it that way since they can't get the ota in another country where there is no service.
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Wouldn't flashing a zip require root? Or are you taking about an RUU? I'm not rooted and don't plan to be, just want the ota.
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I was just wondering will Sprint let you upgrade to a new device with the One Up Program (or with their standard upgrade program) if you have a rooted phone? I have an EVO 4G LTE rooted with CM 10.1 and my upgrade is a few months away. Did Sprint give anyone problems? Or do they not care?
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It is best that you unroot your phone, but it shouldn't hurt you. just hide the root app
mammothjojo88 said:
It is best that you unroot your phone, but it shouldn't hurt you. just hide the root app
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I've brought phones in running aosp and my tech never really seemed to care.
mammothjojo88 said:
It is best that you unroot your phone, but it shouldn't hurt you. just hide the root app
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My store (in Orange County, CA) is a pain in the butt with the phone being in a hacked state, if you can hide the Unlocked bootloader state, you will almost be certain to be good to go.
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Thanks everyone. Hopefully sprint doesnt give me any problems.
The store here didn't care when I traded in my rooted and custom ROM Evo 3D
I've never seen em give a damn about root and custom ROMs, after having my screen replaced 3 times and speaker twice (last speaker got me a whole new bezel, but I remained S-off, so I know they didn't swap out. YMMV. If there's more than one store close, I'd just go do it with root, if they give you any guff, flash stock and hit the other one.
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You can always just RUU the phone and use regaw leinads tool to set it back so the bootloader looks like it is s-off!
I've traded in rooted phones at my local corporate store and they never cared, even when I told them it was rooted.
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I installed the my Verizon app from the play store and it randomly asked for root when I wasn't even using it. Obviously I denied it because there is no reason for them to need it. Just a heads up Verizon is looking for people who are rooted. Google doesn't turn up any results that say why they need it. Just a heads up for those who update it.
After speaking with a verizon rep, they stated:
"One of the things the new tools with tell us is if a device is rooted. When doing troubleshooting and in consideration of our warranty guides, it does help us to know if the phone has been rooted. We may ask a user to Factory Reset and go back to the normal software before we can assist them with more advance troubleshooting or be able to send them a warranty replacement."
So apparently they need it to check if you have an issue and if you do and are rooted they wont help you. I don't entirely believe what they are up to, but I would advise freezing the app if your not willing to take any risks and are indeed rooted, or simply do not allow it to update.
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What about using the xposed app "root cloak"? Wouldn't it hide the root binary and su app?
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I noticed that, too, but forgot to post about it. Thanks for bringing it up.
I saw that the other day too. I just told it to always deny.
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I'm not going to worry about it. If they decide to take action against root users who cares I'm leaving the network when my contract runs up anyways.
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I noticed the same thing... Allowed it by habit, and quickly did a restore... I thought was fishy... Who knows I'm not under warranty anyways,I bought this device outright on eBay....But still didn't want then to know I'm rooted
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rootcloak would be the best option, it will keep the app from seeing the device as rooted as opposed to it getting the denied response and vzw still getting their snooping done.
Yeah, I got a root request from the update today. ****. That. I denied the permission and Uninstalled the app.
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meskes said:
Yeah, I got a root request from the update today. ****. That. I denied the permission and Uninstalled the app.
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That's what I did yesterday!
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That's what I did yesterday!
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I'm of the similar mindset that Big Red is profiling every device on the network to see who's rooted for warranty issues, as well. Even if they do flag my device as such, I'm not really worried about it. I just don't like the idea of them being invasive like that. It's my device, I'm out of contract, and with how much I pay, you're damn right I'm going to do as I please. If they want to disallow me service, that's fine by me. They'd only be hurting themselves.
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meskes said:
I'm of the similar mindset that Big Red is profiling every device on the network to see who's rooted for warranty issues, as well. Even if they do flag my device as such, I'm not really worried about it. I just don't like the idea of them being invasive like that. It's my device, I'm out of contract, and with how much I pay, you're damn right I'm going to do as I please. If they want to disallow me service, that's fine by me. They'd only be hurting themselves.
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Well after is seen that I activated my H2O SIM and have been running on that for 24hrs. When my wife's phone comes later today I will terminate my service with VZW... I pay too much money for there games... time to cut my bill in half!
rcicu said:
Well after is seen that I activated my H2O SIM and have been running on that for 24hrs. When my wife's phone comes later today I will terminate my service with VZW... I pay too much money for there games... time to cut my bill in half!
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The only reason I still have vzw is because I live in the country. Once Magenta rolls out the 700 MHZ band tho, I'm gone.
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I'm curious, does denying root access send some info to the myverizon app that a su binary is present but permission was denied?
orangechoochoo said:
I'm curious, does denying root access send some info to the myverizon app that a su binary is present but permission was denied?
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Probably.
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orangechoochoo said:
I'm curious, does denying root access send some info to the myverizon app that a su binary is present but permission was denied?
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Yes. Yes it does. If you don't want them to know you have root, yet keep the app, use xposed+root cloak.
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Not my work just linking..Haven't seen this here yet. Didn't know where to put it..mods can move/delete if needed
http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/orig-development/root-stump-root-lg-g3-sprint-verizon-t2850906
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An even easier way for us to root! Very good.
Is there any downside after a successful root such as Verizon system updates not showing up automatically or anything like that?
xgman said:
Is there any downside after a successful root such as Verizon system updates not showing up automatically or anything like that?
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You will get notified of an update, but will not be able to apply the update if you made any changes, like removing bloatware, xposed, etc. I have frozen the updater app so I dont have to worry about this. Lets be honest, we dont want the update from Verizon anyways as it will most likely remove root.
I would also like to know if rooting changes the system status from "official" to "modified".
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I would also like to know if rooting changes the system status from "official" to "modified".
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It will change it to modified. I have rooted with no other modifications and it shows modified.
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It will change it to modified. I have rooted with no other modifications and it shows modified.
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What does this ultimately mean? Like you can't send it in if something happens to it? I bought mine off someone so I guess I just have the stock 1 year warranty still, but would have to go through LG if something happened.
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but would have to go through LG if something happened.
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Not if you pay for insurance..you can just send it to Verizon
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jager420 said:
Not if you pay for insurance..you can just send it to Verizon
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There is a loophole in the Verizon system.
If you keep insurance on your line, even when you switch devices the insurance stays.
Adding insurance if you haven't had it on a device purchased elsewhere requires waiting for an open enrollment.
I have never let insurance lapse on any of my lines so that even devices purchased from a private party are covered.
I pay full retail or Swappa so I always keep insurance, actually the TEC (Total Equipment Coverage - extended warranty, insurace, etc..)
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There is a loophole in the Verizon system.
If you keep insurance on your line, even when you switch devices the insurance stays.
Adding insurance if you haven't had it on a device purchased elsewhere requires waiting for an open enrollment.
I have never let insurance lapse on any of my lines so that even devices purchased from a private party are covered.
I pay full retail or Swappa so I always keep insurance, actually the TEC (Total Equipment Coverage - extended warranty, insurace, etc..)
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That being said, based on what I've seen with the LGG2, if you wipe the device with the factory restore tools, they will never know it was ever rooted. I haven't tested with the LG G3, but I've seen people post that if you do a factory restore, the device will show as unrooted
I really want to root my g3, but now that I'm on the edge program, I feel more hesitant. Has anyone upgraded a rooted phone to a vzw store while under the edge plan?
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Mystikalrush said:
I really want to root my g3, but now that I'm on the edge program, I feel more hesitant. Has anyone upgraded a rooted phone to a vzw store while under the edge plan?
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Unrooting and restoring to stock is actually pretty easy to do.
slimc84 said:
Unrooting and restoring to stock is actually pretty easy to do.
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Can this Stump root app remove root as well then?
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Mystikalrush said:
Can this Stump root app remove root as well then?
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I am not sure. I used IOROOT when I rooted. Here is the link to the thread that goes over returning to stock.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-lg-g3/general/restore-verizon-to-stock-t2827878
Mystikalrush said:
I really want to root my g3, but now that I'm on the edge program, I feel more hesitant. Has anyone upgraded a rooted phone to a vzw store while under the edge plan?
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I just got my G3 on the Edge program by trading in a previously rooted S4. If you can root, you can return to stock pretty easily.:good:
rleague81 said:
I just got my G3 on the Edge program by trading in a previously rooted S4. If you can root, you can return to stock pretty easily.:good:
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I got mine on edge. New to it. So what happens if it's rooted and they want it back or something. I'm not waisting time to go back to stock for them to be happy. Lol
zakkyzombie said:
I got mine on edge. New to it. So what happens if it's rooted and they want it back or something. I'm not waisting time to go back to stock for them to be happy. Lol
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They never checked to see if I had altered mine at all so not sure if they even care. I just always erase my tracks so they have no way to screw me
rleague81 said:
They never checked to see if I had altered mine at all so not sure if they even care. I just always erase my tracks so they have no way to screw me
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Ok. Thanks man. RMFT! Lol
So you guys think vzw will even care to look if I give them a rooted G3 when the time comes for my edge upgrade?
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I don't know what Verizon stores you all are shopping in, but any one I've ever been in they wouldn't know a rooted phone if I threw it at them.