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i want to buy a new android phone and i love capture photos..so which one have a better camera..SGS2 or MyTouch Slide 4G or iPhone 4..i don't care about video recording
Best camera I've had on a smart phone yet; had an iPhone 4 for a bit before this and that had the best camera imo till the GS II, the GS II takes amazing photos and can't forget the 2mp front cam vs the less than 1mp vga camera that you get with almost any smartphone these days...
Theres a post on the GS II general here that says "post the best picture you've taken with the gs ii" or something, id check that thread out as people have some really amazing photos taken with the phone up.
Edit- http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1139591
There we go, check that thread out. If you are a skilled photographer or even just a point and shoot guy the gs ii takes great photos.
unleashed12 said:
Best camera I've had on a smart phone yet; had an iPhone 4 for a bit before this and that had the best camera imo till the GS II, the GS II takes amazing photos and can't forget the 2mp front cam vs the less than 1mp vga camera that you get with almost any smartphone these days...
Theres a post on the GS II general here that says "post the best picture you've taken with the gs ii" or something, id check that thread out as people have some really amazing photos taken with the phone up.
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my friend have SGS2 and most of my family have iPhone 4..all of them say iPhone 4 camera better than SGS2 !! my friend running original rom..he should running custom rom to improve camera ??
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my friend have SGS2 and most of my family have iPhone 4..all of them say iPhone 4 camera better than SGS2 !! my friend running original rom..he should running custom rom to improve camera ??
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That's not true. Even the original Galaxy S has better camera than iphone 4.
http://gizmodo.com/5663890/the-ultimate-smartphone-camera-battle
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my friend have SGS2 and most of my family have iPhone 4..all of them say iPhone 4 camera better than SGS2 !! my friend running original rom..he should running custom rom to improve camera ??
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Well to each their own, from my personal experience i prefer the GSII camera 10x over the iPhone 4 camera. Then again I'm not really a photographing enthusiast I'm just a point and shoot type of person nor do i know the technical stuff about cameras to actually inspect both cameras technically and say which is better. If you are a "pro" photographer id google the specifications of each like the sensor or w/e and read up on it before making a decision.
gs2 camera is excellent..
sent from my galaxy S2.
I'm actually disappointed with the camera, I'm struggling to take any decent pictures with it, although that's probably my lack of talent.
I remember the iphone 4 camera being better, but without having them side by side I'll never know.
On paper the galaxy is better though.
It doesn't replace my 50D, but it does replace my 10 megapixel Sony TX1. Having an 8 megapixel cam on a phone is perfect for most uses.
Wait for iphone 5 or gs3
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edit: wrong thread, was meant to post into the "best photo you've taken" one... somehow ended up here...
Anyway, definitely it is much better than my SGS1, esp in lower light. The front camera is unreal also, I take a lot of pics with the front camera when I am out and about (so I can see what I am framing with me in the pic ;-). The SGS1 front camera produced distorted, messy blobs, the SGSII one is quite a bit better. Good enough for facebook uploads, anyway.
But friends took a pic of a group of us with an iphone in a poorly lit telephone exchange, I was amazed at the clarity of the image, my SGS1 was never capable of such an image in those light conditions (my old old Nokia N95 on the other hand, I was nearly always happy with those pics). I reckon (but will have to wait and see till I get to the same location again one day) that the SGSII might just pip it, thanks also to the flash.
Came from an iPhone 4, it definitely has a better camera and it's not very picky when it comes to lighting and focus. In contrast the SGS1 camera was pretty meh compared to the iPhone 4's shots
sgs2 has one very good camera.but the best camera smartphone is the nokia n8.
I agree, the camera is way better than the one the SGS1 had.
First time I can take decent pictures with my phone in a bar - without a flash. Great
I do think the s2 camera is slightly better than iPhone 4 but it does have a slower shutter speed (my mate and I have tested this) and sometimes its hard to get in focus... overall though not bad. Just my 2c
Its not the best camera around but it can surely rival the N8's 12Mpixel camera. The only downside is that there is a pink/green spot depending on the light conditions ( even out doors ) and some users have frame drop issues on low light when capturing 720P. 1080P video is extremely zoomed so this is only good as a 720P video capture. Putting aside the defects, the image quality is very acceptable, altho it still cant rival my very old Sony DSC-P200 ( roughly about 7-8yrs old )
if you use true hdr apps to take pics of the sun you'll be fine
regular camera for the rest
those are (true) hdr from the sgs2:
https://tibere.tzib.net/gallery/var/resizes/Uploads/2011-08-09 20.55.59.jpg?m=1312916999
https://tibere.tzib.net/gallery/var/resizes/Uploads/2011-08-02 20.32.31.jpg?m=1312313137
https://tibere.tzib.net/gallery/var/resizes/Uploads/hdr_00014_dark.jpg?m=1312401596
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dont be fooled with camera apps claiming hdr and taking a single picture - its just image processing and the result sux
im listing that because the iphone4 uses hdr for pics and this kind of pic look a lot better that way
gsmarena has good comparisons of different devices' cameras . It's important to see pictures taken under similar conditions and the same test scene .
One shouldn't expect wonders from such a tiny sensor . Anything not shot in daylight / lowest ISO/ is a compromise.
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sgs2 has one very good camera.but the best camera smartphone is the nokia n8.
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Just saying, the number of megapixels are irrelevant.
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Best phone I ever had. and I had Iphone (1), HTC Desire & SGS 1.
i love the camera. it really is very good.
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Hey folks, I just picked up a Galaxy Nexus when it was on sale for $549. I'll probably be selling the Amaze soon. Let me know what you guys would like to see comparison wise between the two. I'm running Bulletproof on the Amaze and AOKP on the Nexus.
Id like to see picture comparison between the two. thank you
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Id like to see picture comparison between the two. thank you
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I already had a thread a while back regarding picture comparison, there is no comparison as I've been told!!! camera and pictures are below par on the galaxy nexus. There are at least a dozen phones out that take better pics. the new HTC camera is the best on the market, better than iphone 4s's as well... The new camera is currently employed in the amaze and the rezound. f/2.2 28 mm wide angle lense, backside illuminated sensor. the viewing angle is very wide, meaning you don't have to keep moving back to get someone in the pic. f/2.2 gives you very close and clear macro shots and very good shots in general... the iphone 4s has an aperture of f/2.4 the lower the aperture the closer you can get a macro also Smaller aperture=greater depth of field/wider zone of focus.
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I already had a thread a while back regarding picture comparison, there is no comparison as I've been told!!! camera and pictures are below par on the galaxy nexus. There are at least a dozen phones out that take better pics. the new HTC camera is the best on the market, better than iphone 4s's as well... The new camera is currently employed in the amaze and the rezound. f/2.2 28 mm wide angle lense, backside illuminated sensor. the viewing angle is very wide, meaning you don't have to keep moving back to get someone in the pic. f/2.2 gives you very close and clear macro shots and very good shots in general... the iphone 4s has an aperture of f/2.4 the lower the aperture the closer you can get a macro also Smaller aperture=greater depth of field/wider zone of focus.
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dude I know you love reading tech articles and stuff but I am not that big fan of blabla details they post on some phonereview websites. who cares what the characteristics of the cameras are on the paper? when it comes to pictures the image talks itself so 2 pictures of the same object will be the best way to judge which camera is better
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dude I know you love reading tech articles and stuff but I am not that big fan of blabla details they post on some phonereview websites. who cares what the characteristics of the cameras are on the paper? when it comes to pictures the image talks itself so 2 pictures of the same object will be the best way to judge which camera is better
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Because some specs on paper actually matter.. the MOST important thing in the camera is the lense, and sensor which HTC has one of the best in these phones atm, along with Nokia, and Sonys xperia line. I was so disapointed when looking at the pictuers and video taken with the galaxy nexus, its def not worth the $600+ i would never pay that for a phone anyways..
edit: thats why dslr are some of the best cameras on the market. you dont see people saying "its just specs on paper, and they dont matter". its because of the the lense and sensor they put into the cameras. i can see people saying that to MP because you cant really tell a difference between 5 and 8 MP comeing to regular pictures unless zooming in or video
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dude I know you love reading tech articles and stuff but I am not that big fan of blabla details they post on some phonereview websites. who cares what the characteristics of the cameras are on the paper? when it comes to pictures the image talks itself so 2 pictures of the same object will be the best way to judge which camera is better
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Lets just stop reading about specks of things from now one because they don't matter.
I also love how people come to this forum saying iphone 4s camera is better. I have personally taken multiple pictures with my phone and my friends 4s and put them on my 1080 p screen at home...Amaze kicks the butt out of 4s...some people think the camera on the 4s is better because the picture they see on the phone looks better...It's not a fair comparison. The two screens have different dpi's screen saturations etc. If you want to compare pics...get a big screen best quality screen you can find and connect your computer to it...maybe a monitor better than a 1080p... then judge for yourself...screen saturation of monitors also affect how a picture looks. heck print the picture ans see which one is better.
I have also taken pictures with the galaxy nexus in the store and with my amaze, even with bluetoothed all pictures to both phones and compared, so I have the same screen comparing the pictures...go do it and see which one is better...If you come here for advice and you get one, why do yo argue against it. BTW my brother and I are very much into photographers, my brother more than me. and specs do matter. megapixels after 5 might not not matter as much, but sensors matter the most, and amaze has a very good one, and lense aperture, lense quality and viewing field all matter.
go research and see if aperture size matters!!! I blieve galaxy nexus aperture is like f/2.75 vs ours f/2.2...you're saying specs don't matter...then go buy a computer with the least amount of ram and a slow hard drive and cpu...specs don't matter.
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Lets just stop reading about specks of things from now one because they don't matter.
I also love how people come to this forum saying iphone 4s camera is better. I have personally taken multiple pictures with my phone and my friends 4s and put them on my 1080 p screen at home...Amaze kicks the butt out of 4s...some people think the camera on the 4s is better because the picture they see on the phone looks better...It's not a fair comparison. The two screens have different dpi's screen saturations etc. If you want to compare pics...get a big screen best quality screen you can find and connect your computer to it...maybe a monitor better than a 1080p... then judge for yourself...screen saturation of monitors also affect how a picture looks. heck print the picture ans see which one is better.
I have also taken pictures with the galaxy nexus in the store and with my amaze, even with bluetoothed all pictures to both phones and compared, so I have the same screen comparing the pictures...go do it and see which one is better...If you come here for advice and you get one, why do yo argue against it. BTW my brother and I are very much into photographers, my brother more than me. and specs do matter. megapixels after 5 might not not matter as much, but sensors matter the most, and amaze has a very good one, and lense aperture, lense quality and viewing field all matter.
go research and see if aperture size matters!!! I blieve galaxy nexus aperture is like f/2.84 vs ours f/2.2...you're saying specs don't matter...then go buy a computer with the least amount of ram and a slow hard drive and cpu...specs don't matter.
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Exactly my thoghts, lol. of course everything will look better on the iphones screen its higher resolution on a smaller screen with more vibrant colors. same goes with those sammy devices super AMOLED + screens
seansk said:
Lets just stop reading about specks of things from now one because they don't matter.
I also love how people come to this forum saying iphone 4s camera is better. I have personally taken multiple pictures with my phone and my friends 4s and put them on my 1080 p screen at home...Amaze kicks the butt out of 4s...some people think the camera on the 4s is better because the picture they see on the phone looks better...It's not a fair comparison. The two screens have different dpi's screen saturations etc. If you want to compare pics...get a big screen best quality screen you can find and connect your computer to it...maybe a monitor better than a 1080p... then judge for yourself...screen saturation of monitors also affect how a picture looks. heck print the picture ans see which one is better.
I have also taken pictures with the galaxy nexus in the store and with my amaze, even with bluetoothed all pictures to both phones and compared, so I have the same screen comparing the pictures...go do it and see which one is better...If you come here for advice and you get one, why do yo argue against it. BTW my brother and I are very much into photographers, my brother more than me. and specs do matter. megapixels after 5 might not not matter as much, but sensors matter the most, and amaze has a very good one, and lense aperture, lense quality and viewing field all matter.
go research and see if aperture size matters!!! I blieve galaxy nexus aperture is like f/2.75 vs ours f/2.2...you're saying specs don't matter...then go buy a computer with the least amount of ram and a slow hard drive and cpu...specs don't matter.
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http://inluminent.com/2005/12/14/digital-photography-101-aperture/
someone was saying in another thread that iphone takes better low light pictures...thats ignorant with lower aperture number you get a bigger aperture size...means more light comming into the camera...so iphone 4s's f/2.4 has a smaller aperture thus letting less light in, than a f/2.2 which has a better aperture letting more light in...just ignorant...lower aperture also leads to better clarity and overall and closer macro shots!!! people should read a little camera 101 before they start posting things based on pure opinions about camera's.
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http://inluminent.com/2005/12/14/digital-photography-101-aperture/
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explains why my brothers incredible has a huge lense compared to mine and looks worse when taking pictures xD
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http://inluminent.com/2005/12/14/digital-photography-101-aperture/
someone was saying in another thread that iphone takes better low light pictures...thats ignorant with lower aperture number you get a bigger aperture size...means more light comming into the camera...so iphone 4s's f/2.4 has a smaller aperture thus letting less light in, than a f/2.2 which has a better aperture letting more light in...just ignorant...lower aperture also leads to better clarity and overall and closer macro shots!!! people should read a little camera 101 before they start posting things based on pure opinions about camera's.
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U are a "mod" u know rules better than me so y dnt u gtfo? This thread is about comparison the op offered and thats what i want to see two pics and ur comments have nothing to do with the op
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stratax said:
explains why my brothers incredible has a huge lense compared to mine and looks worse when taking pictures xD
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the lense has nothing to do with aperture...on point and shoot cameras aperture size changes based on lighting, on dslr's you can control them manually....on in general lower aperture number is means a bigger aperture hole; thus more light. older phones have higher aperture numbers thus letting in less light, less clarity etc. The big lense size has nothing to do with aperture...aperture is like the iris of the camera...
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U are a "mod" u know rules better than me so y dnt u gtfo? This thread is about comparison the op offered and thats what i want to see two pics and ur comments have nothing to do with the op
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He was just saying how the HTC camera is better than the Galaxy Nexus, and used the iphone as an example because iphones have such "big hype" for no reason. a good example imo cause everyone thinks iphones are better than everything because the Apple logo/name. then you replied to him saying specs dont matter blah, with that comment he had prove you wrong so i wouldnt be pointing pictures and telling him to gtfo. no need for that
Felinos11 said:
U are a "mod" u know rules better than me so y dnt u gtfo? This thread is about comparison the op offered and thats what i want to see two pics and ur comments have nothing to do with the op
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I am not a mod. I am sorry I offended you...I have tried explaining things over and over about camera's in different threads, but people just like to be ignorant about it...I admit I am sensitive when it comes to camera quality! hope you find what you're looking for! Again my appologise I came off as being an a hole...but there's not need to curse. truce.
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the lense has nothing to do with aperture...on point and shoot cameras aperture size changes based on lighting, on dslr's you can control them manually....on in general lower aperture number is means a bigger aperture hole; thus more light. older phones have higher aperture numbers thus letting in less light, less clarity etc. The big lense size has nothing to do with aperture...aperture is like the iris of the camera...
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Yeah thats what i meant, when i had my sensation i was looking at his incredible and comparing the camera side by side and his aperture/lense looks much bigger and i thought to myself how come the photos look so crappy then lol. i know a bit about cameras but im not genius
edit: on topic i wonder why samsung picked such a crap camera on the galaxy nexus then on their galaxy s ii had a pretty good camera.. makes no sense, isnt the galaxy nexus supposed to top the android market? like the nexus 1 did back in the day
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Yeah thats what i meant, when i had my sensation i was looking at his incredible and comparing the camera side by side and his aperture/lense looks much bigger and i thought to myself how come the photos look so crappy then lol. i know a bit about cameras but im not genius
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I know there are some sonyericsson phones out there with variable aperture size...If we could change aperture size's like dslr's on our phone it would be heaven!!!! As of now...the lighting is controlled by software...on point and shoots lighting is changed by changing aperture size like the iris of your eye. This controls both lighting and clarity, phones do this through software, thus having a bigger aperture (smaller aperture size f/size) is beneficial because the software can always turn down the lighting if needed...but you cannot get more lighting if you have a smaller aperture focusing pictures is a whole other story and are done through different ways....I gotta make a thread about camera's let me get some good sites and info together and i'll make a nice thread regarding camera quality.
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Yeah thats what i meant, when i had my sensation i was looking at his incredible and comparing the camera side by side and his aperture/lense looks much bigger and i thought to myself how come the photos look so crappy then lol. i know a bit about cameras but im not genius
edit: on topic i wonder why samsung picked such a crap camera on the galaxy nexus then on their galaxy s ii had a pretty good camera.. makes no sense, isnt the galaxy nexus supposed to top the android market? like the nexus 1 did back in the day
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I believe its a little bit of cost issue a little bit of politics. Samsung didn't want their best phone to be the google one. I think google gets a good margin of profit from these types of devices. They probably sacrificed the camera for a 720p screen for cost reasons...the 720p pentile amoled is not that great...the rezounds 720p slcd is much better: 1. because its a smaller screen and has a higher pixel density, higher than iphone, lol!!! and 2. its a regular rgb matrix instead of pentile!!
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I know there are some sonyericsson phones out there with variable aperture size...If we could change aperture size's like dslr's on our phone it would be heaven!!!! As of now...the lighting is controlled by software...on point and shoots lighting is changed by changing aperture size like the iris of your eye. This controls both lighting and clarity, phones do this through software, thus having a bigger aperture (smaller aperture size f/size) is beneficial because the software can always turn down the lighting if needed...but you cannot get more lighting if you have a smaller aperture focusing pictures is a whole other story and are done through different ways....I gotta make a thread about camera's let me get some good sites and info together and i'll make a nice thread regarding camera quality.
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Imagine if nikon helped make a camera on a new smartphone lol, seeing there new NIkon 1 how they make a camera that great in that small of a size is great. im sure phone cameras will only get better
remember back in the day like the pantech phones (pantech matrix for example) haha. had like a 1mp camera and people were hype just because it was a phone, with a camera. now we have cameras on our phones as good as some point and shoot cameras. and video almost as good as a DSLR
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I believe its a little bit of cost issue a little bit of politics. Samsung didn't want their best phone to be the google one. I think google gets a good margin of profit from these types of devices. They probably sacrificed the camera for a 720p screen for cost reasons...the 720p pentile amoled is not that great...the rezounds 720p slcd is much better: 1. because its a smaller screen and has a higher pixel density, higher than iphone, lol!!! and 2. its a regular rgb matrix instead of pentile!!
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Well http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/cor...easedetails/xperiaspressreleasefinal-20120110
and thats all i have to say.. haha
"4.3 inch Reality Display with Mobile BRAVIA® Engine with HD resolution screen (1280 x 720), as well as front (720p) and back (1080p) cameras for HD recording.
1.5GHz dual-core processor for fast browsing and content download, which can be stored on the internal 32GB flash storage.
12MP back camera with Sony Exmor R™ for mobile along with Fastest Capture to take shots in just 1.5 seconds directly from standby mode." even the front camera has 720p.
the pictures that were posted from it on gsm mobile were incredible.
edit: Aperture is f/2.4. and Exmor R sensor http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sony-Xperia-S-12MP-camera-samples_id25781
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Imagine if nikon helped make a camera on a new smartphone lol, seeing there new NIkon 1 how they make a camera that great in that small of a size is great. im sure phone cameras will only get better
remember back in the day like the pantech phones (pantech matrix for example) haha. had like a 1mp camera and people were hype just because it was a phone, with a camera. now we have cameras on our phones as good as some point and shoot cameras. and video almost as good as a DSLR
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Well http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/cor...easedetails/xperiaspressreleasefinal-20120110
and thats all i have to say.. haha
"4.3 inch Reality Display with Mobile BRAVIA® Engine with HD resolution screen (1280 x 720), as well as front (720p) and back (1080p) cameras for HD recording.
1.5GHz dual-core processor for fast browsing and content download, which can be stored on the internal 32GB flash storage.
12MP back camera with Sony Exmor R™ for mobile along with Fastest Capture to take shots in just 1.5 seconds directly from standby mode." even the front camera has 720p.
the pictures that were posted from it on gsm mobile were incredible.
edit: Aperture is f/2.4. and Exmor R sensor http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sony-Xperia-S-12MP-camera-samples_id25781
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YES....Sony is coming back!!! I used to have a sonyericsson phone 6 years ago!!!
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YES....Sony is coming back!!! I used to have a sonyericsson phone 6 years ago!!!
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exactly! no more ericsson haha, did you see how good the zoom/detail was on it? you can see every word on the tv which was pretty far away.. 720p display + 12mp camera with great sensor = sold. not to mention the 32gb storage and i love sonys ui. also a Playstation cerified phone.. i think Sony should have made the newest nexus xD only bad thing is the battry isnt removable and no sdcard slot but neither does the galaxy nexus
Guys whatever I just envy I didnt have class now so I could read all the stuff you are writting but seriously I am looking forward to see two pics taken with nexus and amaze
And btw i noticed u said nikon, screw nikon canon rules!
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The one thing about the Galaxy that pushed me toward switching was the AMOLED screen, it's just so pretty! The blacks are so deep and the colors so crisp. Aside from that however, the Amaze pretty much takes the cake, especially in respect to build quality and the camera as mentioned.
Either way, this comparison is rather exciting
I've found some LG G2 video and photo samples with the originals that you can download. Photo quality seems really good but that 60 fps sample seems to run too fast? Or is it my PC??
Images here: http://optimusforums.com/threads/lg-g2-photo-samples.8836/
Video samples here: http://optimusforums.com/threads/lg-g2-video-sample.8837/
Honestly the photos and videos look and sound pretty terrible. I've seen some sample pics from Phonearena, pics from a couple korean sites, and video samples from other testers besides these. The photos are grainy, have drab colors, blur a lot, and seem to be constantly overexposed and over-contrasty losing all fine detail where all grays turn black and all bright shades turn white. The videos have LG's trademark OCD autofocus that keeps on bouncing and bouncing even on a perfectly still scene and all the image problems the photos suffer. The audio capture is grating and reminds me of the horrible audio capture of the GS3 and older HTC phones. I'd rank the camera chops below even last gen flagships.
Other than the amazing screen and thin bezels, the rest of the LG G2 is shaping up to be another copycat follow everyone else half effort. Poorly implemented OIS that barely exists (worse than even the HTC One), the same unimpressive 13MP camera from last year's Optimus G that many websites said was worse than the 8MP version, the same cheap plastic build but in this case you can't even remove the battery or expand storage space, and little in the way of innovation besides ho hum spec bumps.
I am mostly disappointed in the camera, as this is the year of the Lumia 1020's 41MP camera, Galaxy S4 Zoom's 10x zoom and large sensor, Xperia Z1 with 1/2.3" sensor, Oppo N1 which I am very siked for coming next month, a big camera bump for the iPhone 5S, a 13MP OIS camera from Samsung on the Note 3 which will surely be better than this, Motorola's ClearPixel, and HTC's Ultrapixel. Even though everyone is trying to compete with better camera's, LG just stuck with last year's lackluster faux 13MP one and tacked on a barely there OIS.
Cue ignorant or willfully in denial comments about not final firmware and prototype hardware and yada yada yada. I've been listening to the same excuses for years for dozens and dozens of phones from Nokia and HTC and Samsung and LG and whoever. You get what you see. That's that. The Lumia 920 isn't going to get any sharper looking even after a year of updates. The Xperia Z noise and terrible JPEG algorithm isn't going anywherer. The grain in that smaller Lumia 1020 sensor will be there forever. The cartoony smeared and overprocessed HTC pictures will stay that way. And LG's photos will always look like they were recorded on a VHS tape and played back on an old tube TV. Prototypes, pre-launch hardware, post-launch, hardware made a year later with a year worth of updates, same thing.
Photos when you zoom in to them look over sharpened and compressed. I agree that LG could have done better there with the camera. 920 OIS seems to be one of the best where the G2 doesn't seem that effective. Much like the HTC OIS. But if you look around on the youtube videos some 1020 and 920 videos are shaky and other less. I wonder why that is? Some people have steady hands where others don't?
Edit: New video up that shows the OIS does work now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekN9As4r7ms
Sigh not impressed either. I think katamari is right.
Sux cuz my s3 screen is broken and waiting for a worthy update. S4 is not an option, i hate pentile amoled and Samsung didn't learn from the s3. Reason enough for me to abandon Samsung.
HTC has ridiculous built in social shiat, not an option either.
I want a full hd full sub pixels display below 5inch. G2 was an exception cuz of the thin bezel. And to all the brands that bring out new high end phones without full hd display... well, see you next year maybe.
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HTC has ridiculous built in social shiat, not an option either.
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I hate that about them... well did. Then I just rooted and uninstalled all that social crap that I don't use.
idk, i love my GS4 camera and think it easily kills my DNA, and the one in general, and the G2 looks to have pretty much the same quality as the GS4...so i'm excited.
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idk, i love my GS4 camera and think it easily kills my DNA, and the one in general, and the G2 looks to have pretty much the same quality as the GS4...so i'm excited.
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I've owned the S4 and I would say they are indeed about the same quality now. Video is only better because it shakes around less than the S4 due to the OIS. Its somewhere between the HTC one and 920 OIS. In the middle of the two in terms of OIS preformance.
Sound wise the LG G2 picks up too many high frequencies noises at times.
The sony Z1 we don't even know about that camera yet. So how can we comment on it.
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I've owned the S4 and I would say they are indeed about the same quality now. Video is only better because it shakes around less than the S4 due to the OIS. Its somewhere between the HTC one and 920 OIS. In the middle of the two in terms of OIS preformance.
Sound wise the LG G2 picks up too many high frequencies noises at times.
The sony Z1 we don't even know about that camera yet. So how can we comment on it.
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i'm excited. the audio in videos on the S4 was great; i record guitar videos from time to time, and the S4 rocked..i hope the G2 will be good, too!
Sample Photos - GS3 Comparison
I am the recent owner of an LG G2 and I was comparing the photo quality to my old GS3. I only did a few situations, but I thought I should share the results if anyone else is interested. GS3 photos taken @ 8MP and G2 photos @ 13MP.
The GS3 is definitely better at focussing on close objects.
I have some HDR and non-HDR versions there (it's easy to tell them apart). The GS3 HDR seems to be more aggressive, which can often result in a significant loss of contrast.
I also tested the OIS on the G2 by holding the phone with a shaky hand and taking burst shot photos, and it didn't seem to be very effective.
My photos (downsized to 1080p) are here:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bwrp4uluZCpNT19ObXhfZ1pwc2M&usp=sharing
The G2 takes very appealing photos IMO, and it's a step up from my GS3. They could be better, but I still think it's great for a phone.
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I am the recent owner of an LG G2 and I was comparing the photo quality to my old GS3. I only did a few situations, but I thought I should share the results if anyone else is interested. GS3 photos taken @ 8MP and G2 photos @ 13MP.
The GS3 is definitely better at focussing on close objects.
I have some HDR and non-HDR versions there (it's easy to tell them apart). The GS3 HDR seems to be more aggressive, which can often result in a significant loss of contrast.
I also tested the OIS on the G2 by holding the phone with a shaky hand and taking burst shot photos, and it didn't seem to be very effective.
My photos (downsized to 1080p) are here:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bwrp4uluZCpNT19ObXhfZ1pwc2M&usp=sharing
The G2 takes very appealing photos IMO, and it's a step up from my GS3. They could be better, but I still think it's great for a phone.
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Can you try with the camera mod?
With the original camera photos has lot of bad quality but with modded camera it just got great
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Thanks HTC for bring a bigger mp camera to a phone that's suppose to be the little brother of the m8.........
http://mobile.theverge.com/2014/5/...tes-the-companys-flagship-phone-in-a-trimmed
...because we're ALWAYS complaining about the MP on our camera when we just upload the photos to instagram and fb..
You can't say that for ALL users. A lot of people don't need a expensive camera to take pics. Especially if you want to use that pic past Facebook etc. All I'm saying is instead of adding a second camera. HTC could have added more to the m8 to help keep it from being the same camera with a second camera. End of the day 4mp camera is a 4mp camera
When I want to use my pics past loading onto social apps. I use my note 3. But if I want to use this pic to upload then yes either my m8 or note 3 will do the job just fine
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I'll agree that what smartphone camera is "better" depends on how you in particular use the camera. But just because a camera has more MP, does not make it "better" either. We'll have to wait and see if the camera on the One Mini 2 actually yields better quality images than the M8.
Unless you are blowing up or cropping photos a lot, 13 MP is too much and a joke for a camera phone. High MP smartphone cameras really struggle in low light. And unless you are taking pictures outdoors in broad daylight, its often low light.
I'll agree that HTC probably should not have opted for the dual camera on the M8. Kinda cool at times, but also pretty gimmicky. The money probably would have been better spent improving image quality on the single rear camera (even if not to increase the MP).
It's kinda a slap in the face to a certain degree. Here is the new m8 with the same camera with a secondary camera which is mostly gimmicky while nice at the same time. Then they decide to make the new HTC one mini from a 5 mp camera to a 13MP camera...........
Now will it have better pics? Probably not or probably so. For most people it don't matter, but after being in retail when trying to sell a customer the one the camera is its downside cause on PAPER the 4mp camera doesn't sound good at all compared to the other smartphones out in the market. People will buy the mini 2 because of it has higher mp count than the m8. While the m8 blows the mini in other specs that 13MP camera looks a lot better to somebody who doesn't care to have the latest and greatest specs.
While a higher mp count doesn't make a camera phone any better yes, but why bring the same thing to the table for your flagship but have a mid range phone with a better spec camera on paper WHEN it comes to mp count. .
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but after being in retail when trying to sell a customer the one the camera is its downside cause on PAPER the 4mp camera doesn't sound good at all compared to the other smartphones out in the market. People will buy the mini 2 because of it has higher mp count than the m8.
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Unfortunately, Average Joe is always going to fall for that marketing gimmick of chasing big numbers, without having any real understanding of what they mean. How many times have you seen someone with a fancy, big screen 1080p TV; and the owner just has a standard definition program on it; and not even in the right aspect ratio (so the picture is all stretched out to fill the screen). That kinda crap drives me crazy!
I for one applaud HTC for turning their nose up at the megapixel arms race. Its gotten absurd. I mean seriously, do we really need a smartphone with a 41 MP camera? Of course not (I understand its actually a really good camera, but not because its 41 MP).
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While a higher mp count doesn't make a camera phone any better yes, but why bring the same thing to the table for your flagship but have a mid range phone with a better spec camera on paper WHEN it comes to mp count. .
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That is a really good point. Why push a certain marketing strategy (and one that particularly bucks the trend) for one device, then do nearly the exact opposite for another device.
In any case, I don't think that the Mini 2 will really compete directly with the M8. Price point alone, even the Average Joe Blow is going to know its a flagship versus a "budget" phone. Don't know about the One Mini in particular, but for the most part, any HTC phone aside from the "flagship" tends to sell in extremely low numbers. At least here in the US (don't know about other regions).
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Unfortunately, Average Joe is always going to fall for that marketing gimmick of chasing big numbers, without having any real understanding of what they mean. How many times have you seen someone with a fancy, big screen 1080p TV; and the owner just has a standard definition program on it; and not even in the right aspect ratio (so the picture is all stretched out to fill the screen). That kinda crap drives me crazy!
I for one applaud HTC for turning their nose up at the megapixel arms race. Its gotten absurd. I mean seriously, do we really need a smartphone with a 41 MP camera? Of course not (I understand its actually a really good camera, but not because its 41 MP).
That is a really good point. Why push a certain marketing strategy (and one that particularly bucks the trend) for one device, then do nearly the exact opposite for another device.
In any case, I don't think that the Mini 2 will really compete directly with the M8. Price point alone, even the Average Joe Blow is going to know its a flagship versus a "budget" phone. Don't know about the One Mini in particular, but for the most part, any HTC phone aside from the "flagship" tends to sell in extremely low numbers. At least here in the US (don't know about other regions).
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The same reason we need 4k Tv's and 2k screen on smartphones. To keep making them money lol! Exactly why say your not going to follow the trend but all your other phones are right in the trend? Lol but HTC could have tried a little harder for the m8 speaking of the camera of course. The phone is rock solid but don't have these commercials making fun of these mp trends and being different when your other devices join right in with today's trends.
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Some of my favorite shots have come from the camera on my M8. In terms of higher quality, I'm actually looking at the Sony G Lens, since it is supposed to take really nice shots, and is $200 at my local best buy.
Some people such as my self want a phone with camera and some prefer cameras that can be used as a phone.
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You can't say that for ALL users. A lot of people don't need a expensive camera to take pics. Especially if you want to use that pic past Facebook etc. All I'm saying is instead of adding a second camera. HTC could have added more to the m8 to help keep it from being the same camera with a second camera. End of the day 4mp camera is a 4mp camera
When I want to use my pics past loading onto social apps. I use my note 3. But if I want to use this pic to upload then yes either my m8 or note 3 will do the job just fine
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If I want to use my pics for something worthwhile, I use my Canon EOS.. otherwise I use a crappy phone camera.
lets all cut the crap. the camera is nice on the M8 and i do agree. to a certain degree. mega pixels don't make the camera. but it sucks for details when blowing up pictures or zooming we dont need 20 mp. but i think we should have something alittle higher
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lets all cut the crap. the camera is nice on the M8 and i do agree. to a certain degree. mega pixels don't make the camera. but it sucks for details when blowing up pictures or zooming we dont need 20 mp. but i think we should have something alittle higher
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reviews for the one mini 2 have started surfacing. in ideal conditions it is resolving a lot more detail, by a huge margin. but anything other than ideal and the m8 takes it.
i think the 2.0 pixel size is great and all, but i think we couldve benefited a lot for 1.8 sized pixels and an extra megapixel. that configuration shouldn't lead to a large camera hump.
i'm happy with what i got either way, i do miss the old OIS from my old m7. but whatever, the m8 has proven to be a capable shooter. and my nx300 is always on stand by in case i need a real camera
Any advice on rooting the Mini 2. I receive it tomorrow from carphone warehouse (379sterling.) Has the original Mini gained from official CM11 support thus far?
Any insight on how to root my forthcoming mini 2 and gaining cwm and porting roms would be greatly appreciated.
Does anyone know what phone o could potentially port from for the Mini 2.
How difficult to root and install a custom cwm recovery?
Hello community!
I have just bought the new HTC One Mini 2, it is locked with EE network. It looks like I am unable to get the unlock code anywhere. Do you have any suggestion or advice?
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what sucks is having a super light sensitive camera.. while living in Florida. It's always bright unless you paint your windows black.
So what if it has a camera with higher MPs. That doesn't make it a better phone than m8. Unless HTC comes up with a device having the same internals as the m8 but a better camera resolution, I don't see what is there to fuss about.
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what sucks is having a super light sensitive camera.. while living in Florida. It's always bright unless you paint your windows black.
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I'm not so sure that having a more sensitive sensor (while better for low light situations) necessarily means that there will be too much light in bright situations. The camera controls the sensitivity (ISO based on the old "film speed" terminology) as well as the aperture (f-stop). It might be that the automatic exposure that the camera is trying to achieve (balance between ISO, aperture and shutter time) is too bright for your local conditions. In which case, you can manually lower the exposure by tapping the 3-top menu button in the camera app, tap EV and lower the exposure value.
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I'm not so sure that having a more sensitive sensor (while better for low light situations) necessarily means that there will be too much light in bright situations. The camera controls the sensitivity (ISO based on the old "film speed" terminology) as well as the aperture (f-stop). It might be that the automatic exposure that the camera is trying to achieve (balance between ISO, aperture and shutter time) is too bright for your local conditions. In which case, you can manually lower the exposure by tapping the 3-top menu button in the camera app, tap EV and lower the exposure value.
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I've messed with all the settings. I appreciate the feedback though...
Unfortunately, if i have any picture with a bright spot from the sun the whole picture gets washed out. Full indoor is fine and full outdoor is fine. But daytime pictures indoors with sun coming in the window- washed out. Granted- if i still lived in Philly (or most parts of the country) i doubt it would be an issue.
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I've messed with all the settings. I appreciate the feedback though...
Unfortunately, if i have any picture with a bright spot from the sun the whole picture gets washed out. Full indoor is fine and full outdoor is fine. But daytime pictures indoors with sun coming in the window- washed out. Granted- if i still lived in Philly (or most parts of the country) i doubt it would be an issue.
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Any camera will have issues if there are areas in the frame which are very bright, or spotty lighting (mix of bright and darker spots). Or does it seem worse with the phone? Often forcing the focus to a different spot by tapping the screen helps a lot.
Hi all,
What's up with the z2 primary cam? I've got a nexus 5, an lg g2, a galaxy s3 here at home aside from the z2. The camera pics seem to be comparable to the nexus 5 or g2? I was expecting a lot better being all the branding and the megapixels at its disposal... The images seem to be drawn on sandpaper( grainy on zooming) I don't get why... being the hardware is present am I the only one with this issue or is this a software thing that needs to be fixed? Any cam mods that solve this? Cybershot mod or the xposed mod?
Thanks a ton in advance, I'm worried I'm the only one with the grainy images...
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Hi all,
What's up with the z2 primary cam? I've got a nexus 5, an lg g2, a galaxy s3 here at home aside from the z2. The camera pics seem to be comparable to the nexus 5 or g2? I was expecting a lot better being all the branding and the megapixels at its disposal... The images seem to be drawn on sandpaper( grainy on zooming) I don't get why... being the hardware is present am I the only one with this issue or is this a software thing that needs to be fixed? Any cam mods that solve this? Cybershot mod or the xposed mod?
Thanks a ton in advance, I'm worried I'm the only one with the grainy images...
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I was similarly surprised when looking at the photos that I take with my Z2... However, I think it's understandable. In Superior Auto mode, the resolution is only 8MP, so that could be why your images are looking similar to that of the N5 and G2... If you switch to manual mode and up the resolution to the full 20MP, the pictures are quite clearly much higher quality. You can zoom in after taking the photo and not lose much if any clarity. As for the graininess, you have to remember that they're fitting 20700000 pixels into an area of about 1cm^2, so they're going to be tiny pixels. This means not much light will reach them. Hence why HTC have gone for a 4MP main camera, but with much bigger, more light absorbing pixels to focus on getting the minimal amount of grain, whilst sacrificing some resolution (on the M8). So in short, there's nothing wrong with the camera, the reason it's grainy is because it's ultra sensitive to low light conditions. To get amazing high resolution images with the Z2, you'll need a well lit, well balanced environment. It's a good camera, but it is designed for great photos, and that means perfect environments are required. If you leave it on Superior Auto, it will take photos that are just fine and hold up to scrutiny against those of the Nexus 5 and LG G2, they just can't hold up to all the branding and advertising that Sony have been giving, since you are unlikely to get the perfect picture taking environment in every day usage. I suggest putting the camera on Manual mode and fiddling with the in depth settings when lining up a shot. Don't push it all the way up to 20MP as you lose the ability to do HDR or Stabilisation, but at 15MP with the correct exposure and ISO settings, the photos can look incredible.
Hope that cleared things up, and sorry if it answered none of your questions x'D
Most of the time superior auto produces just as good quality as 20mp manual, and no its an insult to compare camera to g2 or nexus5, its way better
Agree with what u said but the superior auto I find takes better snaps than the max resolution in most cases. And the reason why I'm disappointed is that it is indeed comparable to the other two, which indeed is an insult!
So everybody gets the grainy images on zooming then? And is this fixable via a firmware or software update?
Put up some originals so we can see what you mean.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5whd6h9620kemdu/DSC_0036.JPG untouched pic here... Is this the best I can get? ( I have 3 more similar shots, this is the best one of the bunch)
feis said:
Most of the time superior auto produces just as good quality as 20mp manual, and no its an insult to compare camera to g2 or nexus5, its way better
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The G2 with the camera mod available to it produced incredible photos and when I got my z2 I didn't really notice a difference other than the extreme amount of postprocessing that sometimes makes photos look like absolute crap... I just wished there was a way to remove all the processing of the image so we can tweak it ourselves
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/5whd6h9620kemdu/DSC_0036.JPG untouched pic here... Is this the best I can get? ( I have 3 more similar shots, this is the best one of the bunch)
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You can try to get slightly better with manual and iso 50, yours was iso 84 but the difference will only show up in zooming.
If you're not zooming in a 3.5MP photo will be sharper still.
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mokaigutti said:
I've got a nexus 5, an lg g2, a galaxy s3 here at home aside from the z2. The camera pics seem to be comparable to the nexus 5 or g2? I was expecting a lot better being all the branding and the megapixels at its disposal...
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Do you have a similar photo from those cameras. It's best to take a shot of a similar subject, same angle and lighting conditions and let's see what you are comparing with.
s3 & n5 are 8mp so are comparable. The g2 makes 13MP so you should reduce it to the same resolution as what you are comparing with.
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The images seem to be drawn on sandpaper( grainy on zooming) I don't get why... being the hardware is present am I the only one with this issue or is this a software thing that needs to be fixed?
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I don't see a lot of grain in this picture with iso 84, zoomed in at 100%. Grain starts at 400-800 and beyond.
When the light goes down the others will struggle to keep up. They won't match video of z2 with the s3 coming the closest but stabilisation on the z2 will beat it. Z2 is a general purpose camera.
But those cameras have f2.4 or a half stop smaller apertures so this means more of the background will be in focus behind where you focus with the z2. This is the tradeoff for better bokeh and low light in video. But it only applies if you focus on a subject that is close.
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Thanks a ton in advance, I'm worried I'm the only one with the grainy images...
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Can you put up a 20MP photo, try to take it with the on screen button instead of camera button as this reduces camera shake. Let's see how good your lens is.
xperia z1 ad z2 have poor processing algorithms. since the release of xperia z1 sony improved the image quality, but still needs improvements.
the grain in the pictures is NOT because of the tiny pixels, the xperia z2 has 1.175u pixels, larger than the 1.12u pixels in galaxy s5 and s4 for example, and both of them doesnt suffer from that level of grain and noise. if you take into consideration that sony has a bigger pixel, bigger sensor and resolution, wider aperture lens (can capture more light) than any other android smartphone and produces pictures comparable with an iphone 5 or gs4 with 1/3.2 sensor and f2.2 camera its a big shame for sony.
at 20mp you will have even more noise and grain. when shooting at 8Mp, the phone downsample the image utilizing the better pixels to provide a better picture (similar to what nokia does with its pureview lumia 1020 41Mp camera). shooting in manual mode is better for properly adjusting exposure, white balance and ISO, but the processing itself is the same, so apart from those parameters, nothing else will change
you can see the advantages of the big sensor and wide aperture lens in very low light videos for example. it produces much brighter and lower noise videos than others competitors, but the imaging from sony is terribly inconsistent. there is grain, noise and alias everywhere and and blur smeared inconsistently in pictures. and you can easily notice it in any picture taken with z1/z1c/z2. videos also suffers with lots of aliasing
with android L and the new and much improved camera API, lets hope from better camera firmwares from sony, and with DNG support, at least 3rd party camera apps will support it. then maybe we will have good quality pictures without the terrible post processing from sony
I guess the post processing is the problem. If I flash aosp or aokp the Google camera will use the stock processing right? And not sony's? Will that be better?
I'll try with the manual mode enabled and play with the iso as suggested as well.
And the 21mp are marginally worse than the superior auto so there isn't a point in uploading that... Ill upload pics from the 3 phones with a similar subject as suggested by today or tomorrow at the latest!
Thanks a ton for the feedback guys!
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xperia z1 ad z2 have poor processing algorithms. since the release of xperia z1 sony improved the image quality, but still needs improvements.
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File sizes of z2 are larger than z1 so there is less processing in z2. The numerous complaints i saw with z1 picture quality are very few with z2 largely because auto in z2 does a better job. What does auto do better in z2 ? the same thing people did in manual with z1, use the lowest iso possible.
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but the imaging from sony is terribly inconsistent. there is grain, noise and alias everywhere and and blur smeared inconsistently in pictures.
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If you want consistent then you have to go with manual. No two ways about it.
Then you need to have a pretty good idea of how the sensor works in varying light conditions. You need to take loads of pictures to better understand which settings give the best picture depending on light. This is the same with any camera for that matter, assuming these others even allow some sort of manual intervention to begin with. With the g3 or moto x there is nothing, iphone is only marginally better in allowing exposure setting.
Don't want to do that ? then you will be taking 2 or 3 shots to get it right.
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if you take into consideration that sony has a bigger pixel, bigger sensor and resolution, wider aperture lens (can capture more light) than any other android smartphone and produces pictures comparable with an iphone 5 or gs4 with 1/3.2 sensor and f2.2 camera its a big shame for sony.
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Try comparing a 20MP pic with the smaller resolutions of the others and see how much more you can zoom. There may be more artifiacts in some situations but details will be better preserved. An 8mp iphone 5 cannot have the same details as a 20MP from the z2. In the same way as 13MP from the g2/s4 or 16MP from the s5 will have more detail than a 8mp auto from z2.
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I guess the post processing is the problem. If I flash aosp or aokp the Google camera will use the stock processing right? And not sony's? Will that be better?
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Doubtful. Or put it this way. i've yet to see someone make this claim in the z2 photo thread. For the simple reason that 3rd party apps cannot access iso setting in the camera libs. best camera app you can use is stock. The xposed mod allows to take auto in 20mp instead of 8mp. This i've seen to actually work. if you need it.
Whatever complaints people have about processing its better in the z2 than it is in the z1 when it came out. The only time i've seen the z1 do better is when there were lens issues with the reviewer's z2.
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And the 21mp are marginally worse than the superior auto so there isn't a point in uploading that...
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Just to check if the lens is ok. I've seen samples where 20MP are not as sharp with some models as others. See the pictures from this post.. Or even from an earlier post here.
Download the pictures from both posts and do a 1:1 compare, there is a subtle but noticeable difference between the two. This is a hardware defect and causes a softer than otherwise photo. You only see it in 20mp, 8mp will mask it.
What is the manufacturing date of your model ? should be in the format 14wxy, you will find it printed on a sticker under the micro-sd tray.
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Ill upload pics from the 3 phones with a similar subject as suggested by today or tomorrow at the latest!
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yeah let's see the difference.
bear in mind that doing this sort of comparison on a sample size of a few pictures is tricky at best. Yes, in some instances some photos may be better, but what does it mean. You'd have to take many photos to draw a conclusion that this or that model is better than another, that too only in certain situations. Koreans tend to do more sharpening in their photos & videos which is perceived by some to be better. Debatable.
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File sizes of z2 are larger than z1 so there is less processing in z2. The numerous complaints i saw with z1 picture quality are very few with z2 largely because auto in z2 does a better job. What does auto do better in z2 ? the same thing people did in manual with z1, use the lowest iso possible.
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yes the z2 pics are indeed larger (some are actualy 2x larger) probably mostly because lower compression. there is also processing changes too like you said, but both of them still badly processed. http://blog.gsmarena.com/sony-xperia-z2-vs-z1-camera-comparison/
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If you want consistent then you have to go with manual. No two ways about it.
Then you need to have a pretty good idea of how the sensor works in varying light conditions. You need to take loads of pictures to better understand which settings give the best picture depending on light. This is the same with any camera for that matter, assuming these others even allow some sort of manual intervention to begin with. With the g3 or moto x there is nothing, iphone is only marginally better in allowing exposure setting.
Don't want to do that ? then you will be taking 2 or 3 shots to get it right.
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when i mean inconsistent, i dont mean that the camera is inconsistent trough various pictures(wich is, in superior auto, like you said, but can be solved shooting in manual adjusting correctly the parameters if you have enough knowledge in the equipment you are using, like you said too), i mean inconsistency in the picture itself. the picture is not uniform, it has random blured areas like if the lens was astigmatic or myopic giving the impression of a defocuesed image in some random areas (im not talking about the defective lens gsmarena unit)
http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=3&idPhone1=4238&idPhone3=6144&idCamera2=30013
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/ca...ng-Galaxy-S5,LG-G3/phones/8323,8202,8347?st=2
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/camera/Sony-Xperia-Z2,Samsung-Galaxy-S5,LG-G3/phones/8323,8202,8347
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Try comparing a 20MP pic with the smaller resolutions of the others and see how much more you can zoom. There may be more artifiacts in some situations but details will be better preserved. An 8mp iphone 5 cannot have the same details as a 20MP from the z2. In the same way as 13MP from the g2/s4 or 16MP from the s5 will have more detail than a 8mp auto from z2.
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yes at 20mp you will have much more deatil thanks to the much larger resolution, but when i mean it was a big shame, i mean that at 8mp, the xperia z2 has comparable if not worse pictures in some cases than iphone 5 or lg g3, gs5, etc even with all those hardware advantages of it. and this is again caused by the processing. lots of grain, noise, alias, blur, too high contrast, etc, etc, etc (yes noise can be reduced using lower iso in manual, but when i mean more noise, i mean more noise in the same iso settings as the competitors)
an interesting thing to note is that if you compare raw pictures of the nokia 1020 with the jpeg ones from it for example, there is a HUGE diference between them, and nokia is know from doing really good processing in cameras in general. so this makes me think how much extra performance can be achieved from the z seris with it great hardware
I'm just worried this could be a hardware issue, mine is a 14W21 phone. I'm gonna do some extensive photo sessions and if they don't work out maybe try a replacement
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yes the z2 pics are indeed larger (some are actualy 2x larger) probably mostly because lower compression. there is also processing changes too like you said, but both of them still badly processed. http://blog.gsmarena.com/sony-xperia-z2-vs-z1-camera-comparison/
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ok, i checked the 20MP manual mode shots at 100% and can say the z2 shot is visibly better than the z1 if you look at the balcony railings left of centre and building detail right of centre.
gsmarenas z2's lens does not have any issues that i can notice. I don't know if the z1 lens is ok though.
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when i mean inconsistent, i dont mean that the camera is inconsistent trough various pictures(wich is, in superior auto, like you said, but can be solved shooting in manual adjusting correctly the parameters if you have enough knowledge in the equipment you are using, like you said too), i mean inconsistency in the picture itself. the picture is not uniform, it has random blured areas like if the lens was astigmatic or myopic giving the impression of a defocuesed image in some random areas (im not talking about the defective lens gsmarena unit)
http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=3&idPhone1=4238&idPhone3=6144&idCamera2=30013
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/ca...ng-Galaxy-S5,LG-G3/phones/8323,8202,8347?st=2
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/camera/Sony-Xperia-Z2,Samsung-Galaxy-S5,LG-G3/phones/8323,8202,8347
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Yes, i see the underlined bit at 20MP with the z2 , but check out the SA of the iso chart from gsmareana (phonearena did not have SA images to compare)
http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=1&idPhone1=6033&idPhone3=6144&idCamera2=30013
Much clearer to see the chart in SA than 20MP isn't it. Note that you see same blur with 20MP here too.
I added z1 into comparison in phonearena's chart, can you see the difference between z1 & z2.
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/ca...ony-Xperia-Z1/phones/8323,8202,8347,8000?st=2
z1 is less blurred but the compression is much more than z2. If you try to reduce the size of the image in phonearena, the z2 image remains blurred but if you look at the SA, its much more clear as shown in gsmarena.
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yes at 20mp you will have much more deatil thanks to the much larger resolution, but when i mean it was a big shame, i mean that at 8mp, the xperia z2 has comparable if not worse pictures in some cases than iphone 5 or lg g3, gs5, etc even with all those hardware advantages of it. and this is again caused by the processing. lots of grain, noise, alias, blur, too high contrast, etc, etc, etc (yes noise can be reduced using lower iso in manual, but when i mean more noise, i mean more noise in the same iso settings as the competitors)
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Underlined bit is somewhat true in good light, but not in low light.
Why the pictures look better, requires explanation of what better means. Did you see DxO's tests. compare z1, 5s, s5 & z2 on 7 parameters for still photo. Exposure, ontrast & Noise is very well controlled in the Z2. Artifacts is the only parameter where the Z2 trails the others. To notice that you will have to zoom into edges to see it. Not very apparent without zooming.
Exposure and contrast
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90 Apple iPhone 5s
88 Sony Xperia Z2
88 Samsung Galaxy S5
85 Sony Xperia Z1
80 LG G2
Colour
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82 Apple iPhone 5S
82 Samsung Galaxy S5
80 Apple iPhone 5
77 Sony Xperia Z1
76 LG G2
74 Sony Xperia Z2
Autofocus
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84 Sony Xperia Z2
81 Apple iPhone 5S
74 LG G2
73 Sony Xperia Z1
69 Samsung Galaxy S5
Texture
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83 Sony Xperia Z2
78 Samsung Galaxy S5
69 LG G2
66 Sony Xperia Z1
59 Apple iPhone 5S
Noise
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84 Sony Xperia Z2
84 Sony Xperia Z1
83 LG G2
78 Samsung Galaxy S5
70 Apple iPhone 5S
Artifacts
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91 Apple iPhone 5S
89 LG G2
83 Samsung Galaxy S5
74 Sony Xperia Z1
68 Sony Xperia Z2
Flash
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85 Sony Xperia Z2
84 Sony Xperia Z1
83 Apple iPhone 5S
82 Samsung Galaxy S5
72 LG G2
DxOMark Still Photo (overall rank)
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81 Nokia 808 PureView
81 Sony Xperia Z2
80 Samsung Galaxy S5
78 Apple iPhone 5S
77 Sony Xperia Z1
77 LG G2
These are the differences observed after analysis of over 400 photos.
pepeo123 said:
an interesting thing to note is that if you compare raw pictures of the nokia 1020 with the jpeg ones from it for example, there is a HUGE diference between them, and nokia is know from doing really good processing in cameras in general. so this makes me think how much extra performance can be achieved from the z seris with it great hardware
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This is something we will only find out when android L comes out. having said that the oppo find 7a can output raw images from its 13MP sensor, and its a sony one to boot. Lumia 1520 can already output RAW.
The question that remains to be answered is, what is the shot to shot turnaround with RAW in a mobile phone. Without dedicated image processors that specialise in it things will be slow.
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mokaigutti said:
I'm just worried this could be a hardware issue, mine is a 14W21 phone. I'm gonna do some extensive photo sessions and if they don't work out maybe try a replacement
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So that is not an earlier build. i don't see anything to worry about given what little you have posted so far.
One Twelve said:
ok, i checked the 20MP manual mode shots at 100% and can say the z2 shot is visibly better than the z1 if you look at the balcony railings left of centre and building detail right of centre.
gsmarenas z2's lens does not have any issues that i can notice. I don't know if the z1 lens is ok though.
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yes z2 is superior, i dont know right now since this review was done in older firmware and both z1 and z2 received some firmware upgrades and z1 is even in 4.4.4. the good new for z1 owners is that its possible to port the camera apk. for z1 like they did with the 4k mod, and therefore things will be the same
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Yes, i see the underlined bit at 20MP with the z2 , but check out the SA of the iso chart from gsmareana (phonearena did not have SA images to compare)
http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=1&idPhone1=6033&idPhone3=6144&idCamera2=30013
Much clearer to see the chart in SA than 20MP isn't it. Note that you see same blur with 20MP here too.
I added z1 into comparison in phonearena's chart, can you see the difference between z1 & z2.
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/ca...ony-Xperia-Z1/phones/8323,8202,8347,8000?st=2
z1 is less blurred but the compression is much more than z2. If you try to reduce the size of the image in phonearena, the z2 image remains blurred but if you look at the SA, its much more clear as shown in gsmarena.
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exactly, regarding the blurred areas, SA is better than 20mp downsampled to 8MP, and this could mean 2 things. either sony is using diferent processing, or the downsample algorithm is doing its job right. or maybe both. either way, this shows that sony has work to do
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Underlined bit is somewhat true in good light, but not in low light.
Why the pictures look better, requires explanation of what better means. Did you see DxO's tests. compare z1, 5s, s5 & z2 on 7 parameters for still photo. Exposure, ontrast & Noise is very well controlled in the Z2. Artifacts is the only parameter where the Z2 trails the others. To notice that you will have to zoom into edges to see it. Not very apparent without zooming.
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yes in low light the phone really shows its big sensor and wide aperture lens advantage, pictures are brighter and capture more, while others have darker pictures and less detailed, although the focus in low light is terrible, something that is possible to be corrected using manual mode. low light videos z2 crushes its oponents too, other phones look like they are in a darker place lol
One Twelve said:
This is something we will only find out when android L comes out. having said that the oppo find 7a can output raw images from its 13MP sensor, and its a sony one to boot. Lumia 1520 can already output RAW.
The question that remains to be answered is, what is the shot to shot turnaround with RAW in a mobile phone. Without dedicated image processors that specialise in it things will be slow.
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yes, oppo, lumia 1020 and lumia 1520 can output raw and use sony sensors
maybe taking raw pictures is even faster, since it just takes the picture but doesnt process nothing else like it would do with JPEG,or maybe it could take longer because since its a large file, saving would take a little bit longer but? i really have no knowledge in what i am talking about here, so this is purely an speculation made by me
I was being dumb by comparing the images on the respective phone displays... On transferring them to my laptop the z2 has visibly better images overall, especially low light this is the good news... The bad news is the presence of graininess on full zoom. This is normal? (spoilt solid by previous phones, Sony satio, Nokia n8, and the best one n82)
mokaigutti said:
I was being dumb by comparing the images on the respective phone displays... On transferring them to my laptop the z2 has visibly better images overall, especially low light this is the good news... The bad news is the presence of graininess on full zoom. This is normal? (spoilt solid by previous phones, Sony satio, Nokia n8, and the best one n82)
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Full zoom graininess? You realize there isn't a single phone that isn't completely grainy at full zoom right? Literally not one.... Because the zoom is digital vs optical.
TechSavvy2 said:
Full zoom graininess? You realize there isn't a single phone that isn't completely grainy at full zoom right? Literally not one.... Because the zoom is digital vs optical.
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Sorry I didn't mean zooming in during the shot, I meant after the shot is taken... In the album app. I just feel spoilt after seeing the first page of the"post your z2 snaps here" post.
mokaigutti said:
I was being dumb by comparing the images on the respective phone displays... On transferring them to my laptop the z2 has visibly better images overall, especially low light this is the good news...
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The opposite can also apply, photos can look good on the z2 screen and when transferred over to a laptop appear dull or washed out. Simple reason is photo was taken in too much light ie sun light. The wider aperture and bsi sensor means chances of over exposure are more than with other cameras that do not do as well in low light or have narrower apertures. So you will have to use -EV if colours do not appear natural or alternatively take photos in softer light rather than harsh light. You have to understand how light works to get the best photos with any camera.
So ensure bravia engine is switched off in the Z2 otherwise you might think photos are better than they actually are. can always correct things in post but its less work if you get it more or less right at the outset.
mokaigutti said:
The bad news is the presence of graininess on full zoom. This is normal? (spoilt solid by previous phones, Sony satio, Nokia n8, and the best one n82)
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What frame of reference are you using to say it is grainy ? What are you comparing it with.
You started this topic on that basis and have yet to substantiate it. So post photos of the same subject from other models.
I'm stuck at work and haven't been home in a while, the moment I am ill post some similar pics to compare with. I say grainy as in the images seem to be oversharpened. I'll upload some pics in a few minutes so it's a little easy to understand