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Hi all,
I'd just like to share my experience when testing the official ICS update:
It's quite fast, looks a bit nicer too, I really love the fact you can disable services (finally!).
However, next to the known bugs (notification led not working, more ram usage), I did experience some issues when streaming videos:
- flash video is extremely choppy, seems to be loading continually.
- same for the app dumpert.nl, which streams flv files. Loading the movie takes quite some time, after which it only runs smooth for a couple of seconds, then it gets loading again.
- playing video from sd seems to work correctly though.
- I have the impression that loading from sd card is way slower as on GB?
For the moment I have reverted to GB, as it runs smoother with almost no bugs.
Coming from iphone 3GS, I keep however dreaming of an android device with a silky smooth interface ;-) (perhaps 4.0.4+ ics will do that ?)
jvdv360 said:
Coming from iphone 3GS, I keep however dreaming of an android device with a silky smooth interface ;-) (perhaps 4.0.4+ ics will do that ?)
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I highly doubt that Sony will update 2011 series further than 4.0.4, as at first they were claiming that those phones' specs aren't good enough to run ICS properly.
but I guess that flashing custom ROMs and kernels might do the job
I too had pretty bad experience with ICS on my LWW and ultimately reverted back to superstable GingerBread.
But i love ICS. If you have any issue on SD card, use "Rom toolbox" or "SD Speed Increase" apps for improve SD card speed.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1010807
Official Sony ICS ROM is full of crapware. This is what makes it slow. Use a custom ROM. My phone was never this fast and snappy before with stock ROM as it is now with custom ROM and kernel.
papul said:
Official Sony ICS ROM is full of crapware. This is what makes it slow. Use a custom ROM. My phone was never this fast and snappy before with stock ROM as it is now with custom ROM and kernel.
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That's why Android should be rooted.
papul said:
Official Sony ICS ROM is full of crapware. This is what makes it slow. Use a custom ROM. My phone was never this fast and snappy before with stock ROM as it is now with custom ROM and kernel.
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I use stock ROM and kernel, but i remove all the bloatware, so it run smoothly and move all the apps to SD card using link2SD.
well ..my experience that i'm not satisfied is the camera on ics have much noise from gb ..and i use camera all the time ..even on kmrsh miniCM ..
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well ..my experience that i'm not satisfied is the camera on ics have much noise from gb ..and i use camera all the time ..even on kmrsh miniCM ..
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Dude, My camera quality is a lot lot better with ICS, with GB its crap.. whats you model made, mine is 29w or something
android addicts said:
I use stock ROM and kernel, but i remove all the bloatware, so it run smoothly and move all the apps to SD card using link2SD.
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Custom ROMs are light. And highly optimised. It runs faster than official, even with the crapware removed.
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I can't use a rooted rom, as my company has policies in place for the usage of smartphones in combination with corporate e-mail.
Still, with almost all services disabled, flash performance was still bad...
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jvdv360 said:
I can't use a rooted rom, as my company has policies in place for the usage of smartphones in combination with corporate e-mail.
Still, with almost all services disabled, flash performance was still bad...
Sent from my SK17i using XDA
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No root + bloatware on ICS = Lag/ Freeze screen.
Maybe you need to get a separate/personal phone.
2011 Xperia phones are a bit choppy by default running on ICS that's why you need to have root permissions (the least) to make some remedy.
coolbuy said:
Dude, My camera quality is a lot lot better with ICS, with GB its crap.. whats you model made, mine is 29w or something
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mine is xperia mini ..its 11w36 ..after using ics ..i realize that every pic that i take it have more blurr side and much noise from gb ..does the model date effect the camera ? ..or other hardware ?
OK, since there's a thread I'll share my experience. First, let me point out the good things.
1. It's ICS. Fast, smooth, no lag in menus or stock apps. Runs great on this hardware.
2. I first thought the Sony UI would destroy the ICS experience, but I was pleasantly surprised. Except the bloatware, the icons and menus look great.
3. Battery life. In my usage experience is much better. I can very easily pull through a day and still have ~20% left. I'm talking about a few hours surfing on WiFi and a little browsing on 3G.
4. Multitasking. Even with 512MB ram and Sony bloatware, I can multitask without any application/game suddenly closing. Also the ICS multitasking menu is excellent.
5. Camera. The photos are finally in 100% JPEG quality. A photo is around 1.5 - 2 MB in size. Also, the videos seem to be of a better quality, even with the stabilizer on I don't have FPS drops. The only thing that's missing is the macro mode. Actually I think it's not missing since I once got the phone to say macro even though I was shooting an outside nature portrait. I think the camera app has problems when focusing close objects, this needs to be fixed.
Now I also have many of the problems already mentioned.
1. Notification LED. It doesn't work, except when the phone is charging, I get no light for SMS/Email/FB...
2. Games. Some games like Angry Birds Space, Temple Run and others suddenly the touch stops responding. A reboot usually solves this. I don't get what's causing this, as the games state that they are optimized for ICS.
4. Chrome Browser. The browser installs and runs fine, but whenever I click on a text field, the virtual keyboard doesn't show up. I can only use the QWERTY to type letters as the FN, Symbol and other keys don't work, which makes the browser pretty much unable. I can't find a fix, I think it's a application bug.
Overall, I'm satisfied with the update Sony managed to pull, maybe a little later than stated, but they kept their promise. Hope this bugs will be fixed with a new update.
papul said:
Custom ROMs are light. And highly optimised. It runs faster than official, even with the crapware removed.
Sent from my ST15i using XDA
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Thanks dude! But now my phone has 100 of apps and i link them to 2nd partition. So if i flash another ROM i lost my root and lost my all the apps, and i have to manually download them form play store.
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jvdv360 said:
I can't use a rooted rom, as my company has policies in place for the usage of smartphones in combination with corporate e-mail.
Still, with almost all services disabled, flash performance was still bad...
Sent from my SK17i using XDA
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I think ICS has a option for disable the unwanted system apps, without root. Follow this guide http://www.thespicygadgematics.com/2012/06/how-to-remove-bloatware-on-android-ics.html
krstep said:
OK, since there's a thread I'll share my experience. First, let me point out the good things.
1. It's ICS. Fast, smooth, no lag in menus or stock apps. Runs great on this hardware.
2. I first thought the Sony UI would destroy the ICS experience, but I was pleasantly surprised. Except the bloatware, the icons and menus look great.
3. Battery life. In my usage experience is much better. I can very easily pull through a day and still have ~20% left. I'm talking about a few hours surfing on WiFi and a little browsing on 3G.
4. Multitasking. Even with 512MB ram and Sony bloatware, I can multitask without any application/game suddenly closing. Also the ICS multitasking menu is excellent.
5. Camera. The photos are finally in 100% JPEG quality. A photo is around 1.5 - 2 MB in size. Also, the videos seem to be of a better quality, even with the stabilizer on I don't have FPS drops. The only thing that's missing is the macro mode. Actually I think it's not missing since I once got the phone to say macro even though I was shooting an outside nature portrait. I think the camera app has problems when focusing close objects, this needs to be fixed.
Now I also have many of the problems already mentioned.
1. Notification LED. It doesn't work, except when the phone is charging, I get no light for SMS/Email/FB...
2. Games. Some games like Angry Birds Space, Temple Run and others suddenly the touch stops responding. A reboot usually solves this. I don't get what's causing this, as the games state that they are optimized for ICS.
4. Chrome Browser. The browser installs and runs fine, but whenever I click on a text field, the virtual keyboard doesn't show up. I can only use the QWERTY to type letters as the FN, Symbol and other keys don't work, which makes the browser pretty much unable. I can't find a fix, I think it's a application bug.
Overall, I'm satisfied with the update Sony managed to pull, maybe a little later than stated, but they kept their promise. Hope this bugs will be fixed with a new update.
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About the google chrome : I totally agreed you should report it to google
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krstep said:
OK, since there's a thread I'll share my experience. First, let me point out the good things.
1. It's ICS. Fast, smooth, no lag in menus or stock apps. Runs great on this hardware.
2. I first thought the Sony UI would destroy the ICS experience, but I was pleasantly surprised. Except the bloatware, the icons and menus look great.
3. Battery life. In my usage experience is much better. I can very easily pull through a day and still have ~20% left. I'm talking about a few hours surfing on WiFi and a little browsing on 3G.
4. Multitasking. Even with 512MB ram and Sony bloatware, I can multitask without any application/game suddenly closing. Also the ICS multitasking menu is excellent.
5. Camera. The photos are finally in 100% JPEG quality. A photo is around 1.5 - 2 MB in size. Also, the videos seem to be of a better quality, even with the stabilizer on I don't have FPS drops. The only thing that's missing is the macro mode. Actually I think it's not missing since I once got the phone to say macro even though I was shooting an outside nature portrait. I think the camera app has problems when focusing close objects, this needs to be fixed.
Now I also have many of the problems already mentioned.
1. Notification LED. It doesn't work, except when the phone is charging, I get no light for SMS/Email/FB...
2. Games. Some games like Angry Birds Space, Temple Run and others suddenly the touch stops responding. A reboot usually solves this. I don't get what's causing this, as the games state that they are optimized for ICS.
4. Chrome Browser. The browser installs and runs fine, but whenever I click on a text field, the virtual keyboard doesn't show up. I can only use the QWERTY to type letters as the FN, Symbol and other keys don't work, which makes the browser pretty much unable. I can't find a fix, I think it's a application bug.
Overall, I'm satisfied with the update Sony managed to pull, maybe a little later than stated, but they kept their promise. Hope this bugs will be fixed with a new update.
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I agree on you.. I too thought that Sony would mess up ICS..but to my delight ICS runs faster than GB..even with adw launcher installed.. I have loads of RAM and importantly, internal memory free.. Only sore point is when it comes to some games ICS lags.. Towers n trolls is choppy.. But ignoring that..rest is great.. Camera is much better quality wise too..
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Hi!
Because of the low memory issue in the International edition, I request for all Kernel Dev's that implement the possibility of the use of Swap file.
There are programs that make and use this Swap file to get more free RAM, but this programs needs that the Kernel support it.
Like :
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...sMSwxLDEsIm9yZy5hemFzb2Z0LmZyZWUuc3dhcHBlciJd
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=lv.n3o.swapper2&feature=nav_other
What do you think?
Cheers!
P.D:sorry for my bad english.
I think you are in the wrong section. There is a dedicated section for questions and not in the Development thread
What Low memory issue??? We have 1GB of RAM (almost) on the device! Everything works smooth on the phone!
maybe he wanna say that free memories are from 2xx~3xx mb only, which is actually less than S2 even S3 also has 1GB ram.
If the files can increase more free ram, it would be good for some heavy games and softwares to run more smoothly.
Wrong forum, but indeed I agree.
It's virtually impossible to run 2 heavy programs at once. One of them will always close when it's in the background, even if it implements a Service.
For example, Waze - It closes whenever I receive a phone call.
Just annoying. Problems I never had on S II
eitama said:
Wrong forum, but indeed I agree.
It's virtually impossible to run 2 heavy programs at once. One of them will always close when it's in the background, even if it implements a Service.
For example, Waze - It closes whenever I receive a phone call.
Just annoying. Problems I never had on S II
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This is exactly that I mean.
Sorry for the mistake to put this topic in this subforum, please, any mod move it to the correct section.
Cheers!
Wow, I definitely want this! Kernel devs : please implement this!!!
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Swap will make the phone lag terribly since the ssd writing/reading speeds are far inferior to what you neel for normal operations.
It also makes sure the internal/external storage will not live very long.
While it's a good idea to combat memory issues, paging to disk is not suitable for normal situations.
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Haha we have not needed swap since the days of the HTC hero
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d4fseeker said:
Swap will make the phone lag terribly since the ssd writing/reading speeds are far inferior to what you neel for normal operations.
It also makes sure the internal/external storage will not live very long.
While it's a good idea to combat memory issues, paging to disk is not suitable for normal situations.
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Swap file to internal SD: max speed 26MB/s I think there is not a problem, but I prefer more memory. And I tell that implement the function and optional you can enable it, if you don't want you don't need to enable.
Cheers!
Can I ask you why you think you have low memory?
please select one of the following:
1) Phone going so slow it takes age to do anything I ask
2) Apps keep getting killed mid-use
3) I have looked at the numbers and they look low....
I can't choose any option. I want to explain:
-I open Internet Browser and open a Web with many videos, photos, etc, and browser closes itself.
-Open 1 game (NOVA3 for example), then put it on background to see a Web Page or check email... or open the Web browser, open 3 Webs then go to email to check, then go again to browser and all is closed, the phone needs to open all Webs again (in this case is your first option).
I think that you prefer a UNIX computer with 256MB of RAM than a UNIX computer with 16GB of RAM because you optimize the 256MB of RAM. I prefer waste memory (really don't waste it) because I want to RUN many programs at the same time.
Sorry for my very bad english, because I can't explain exactly what I want.
I'm SYSADMIN and I know what I say.
Cheers.
I understand where your coming from but I think you have failed to understand the purpose of multi-tasking on a phone (and the reason that not many phones have more than 1gb of ram yet).
Multi-tasking on a phone is designed to let you go from webpage to sms, or music to email etc, i.e. between smaller, less hungry apps.
Switching between a high ram usage game and other things is always going to be a problem, the phone was never designed to allow you to multi-task while gaming.
I know that this is a phone, not a Core I7 - 16GB RAM - SSD with Windows 7 Ultimate, but, Did you have a SGS2? with SGS2 you can make what you want and you don't have this problems off memory.
I said an example of a Web page with a lot of videos and photos that make Browser closed., not only with Games.
This is Why I want to try the Swap file. Off course if the phone goes slow down I'll prefer no Swap file, but I think that is a good idea.
Perhaps with a new firmware update Samsung solve this issue...
Cheers!
Off course if the phone goes slow down I'll prefer no Swap file, but I think that is a good idea.
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Have you ever had your Windows computer have to heavily page to disk (aka swap)? Even with my OCZ Vertex4 it's unbearable.
Just get rid of all the background apps (such as AllShare) that the S3 has running and you should be better off, it got rid of any hint of memory underrun I my had.
Get Houmiak TaskManager from market, find out which apps are running and freeze them in Titanium Backup. Problem solved
Lennyuk said:
I understand where your coming from but I think you have failed to understand the purpose of multi-tasking on a phone (and the reason that not many phones have more than 1gb of ram yet).
Multi-tasking on a phone is designed to let you go from webpage to sms, or music to email etc, i.e. between smaller, less hungry apps.
Switching between a high ram usage game and other things is always going to be a problem, the phone was never designed to allow you to multi-task while gaming.
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You are wrong.
This is my 4th Android phone.
Multitasking between several Applications which implement the Service Android Class should be possible without any of the services being killed.
I don't care about the Activity. I care about the service.
Example :
I run Torque & Waze at the same time and tend to skip between them.
If I receive an incoming call, they are both killed because of low memory.
How do I know? when I go back to either of them, the state is not kept, and waze even complains about not being stopped correctly.
Believe me I removed ANY resident useless services, uninstall about 30 system apps from wanam lite using titanium pro, and still, no good.
These things used to work on older phones like SGSII and Galaxy Note and even SGS I with stock samsung roms.
There is no reason SGS III should suffer regression in this department.
It is very easy to understand that while samsung have added plenty of "Cool" features to the phone, they have left us with an overwhelming amount of garbage. I want smart stay, I want usb OTG, I want the camera app, I want Touchwiz dialer and I want HDMI,
But not at the expense of basic use-cases.
Hell, on the Galaxy Note I was sometimes shocked at the amount of Activities left in the ram, I was impressed. Having 10 apps running in task manager. And no, I never closed them. I don't used task killers, and I don't care about "Free" ram.
I care about my Applications life cycle which sadly sucks on SGS III.
BTW, Galaxy Note had the same screen resolution give or take as the SGS III.
Something is terribly under optimized.
600MB used just by core crap.
PS. I am angry at samsung, not at you, apologies if I sound harsh.
It's also aggravating when posters here instantly assume other posters only care about Free ram. HERE - TAKE MY FREE RAM.
About the swap to sdcard, I'm not sure that is the solution.
But I am sure we need "A" solution.
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If anyone knows how I can understand exactly which process/app/apk/activiy/service is taking how much, I would happily compare it to Galaxy Note. I'm sure we will find basic applications taking too much.
If it's the GPU reserving too much memory, I am willing to settle for less GPU ram while not running games. Hell, the Galaxy Note was not that slower then SGS III
It even preserved me a lot of time which I now waste on Navigating multiple times with waze when it is closed because of a phone call.
Don't know if this has anything to with it as I haven't received my S3 yet. With the HTCOneX I had this problem as well. Then I found out, that in the
"settings".
in the "development section"
"Don't keep activities" which is unticked by default. One has to tick it ( I went on recent apps to make sure it would be saved) and then untick it again. Afterwards the HTC1X was quite cabable of multitasking. The default setting seems to have some hybrid impact and has to be set straight by hand.
Hopefully this helps your issue.
eitama said:
You are wrong.
This is my 4th Android phone.
Multitasking between several Applications which implement the Service Android Class should be possible without any of the services being killed.
I don't care about the Activity. I care about the service.
Example :
I run Torque & Waze at the same time and tend to skip between them.
If I receive an incoming call, they are both killed because of low memory.
How do I know? when I go back to either of them, the state is not kept, and waze even complains about not being stopped correctly.
Believe me I removed ANY resident useless services, uninstall about 30 system apps from wanam lite using titanium pro, and still, no good.
These things used to work on older phones like SGSII and Galaxy Note and even SGS I with stock samsung roms.
There is no reason SGS III should suffer regression in this department.
It is very easy to understand that while samsung have added plenty of "Cool" features to the phone, they have left us with an overwhelming amount of garbage. I want smart stay, I want usb OTG, I want the camera app, I want Touchwiz dialer and I want HDMI,
But not at the expense of basic use-cases.
Hell, on the Galaxy Note I was sometimes shocked at the amount of Activities left in the ram, I was impressed. Having 10 apps running in task manager. And no, I never closed them. I don't used task killers, and I don't care about "Free" ram.
I care about my Applications life cycle which sadly sucks on SGS III.
BTW, Galaxy Note had the same screen resolution give or take as the SGS III.
Something is terribly under optimized.
600MB used just by core crap.
PS. I am angry at samsung, not at you, apologies if I sound harsh.
It's also aggravating when posters here instantly assume other posters only care about Free ram. HERE - TAKE MY FREE RAM.
About the swap to sdcard, I'm not sure that is the solution.
But I am sure we need "A" solution.
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If anyone knows how I can understand exactly which process/app/apk/activiy/service is taking how much, I would happily compare it to Galaxy Note. I'm sure we will find basic applications taking too much.
If it's the GPU reserving too much memory, I am willing to settle for less GPU ram while not running games. Hell, the Galaxy Note was not that slower then SGS III
It even preserved me a lot of time which I now waste on Navigating multiple times with waze when it is closed because of a phone call.
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I'm completely with you on this.. .. I have had both the original galaxy, the s 2 the note and other Android phones with this one being my first where larger apps are closing due to low memory resources. I had Nova, my browser, videos, music, angry birds and other processes in the background on my s2 with only388megs used out of 863.... this phone, I load the browser and everything in the background closes with 675megs used out of 754.... not cool. There must be some kinda solution.. why is it that my note and s 2 have 140 more free ram anyways?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lcis.seeder
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1987032
Has anyone tried it on their rooted Prime? I would love to try it but mine is gone for yet another RMA.
apsamrit said:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lcis.seeder
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1987032
Has anyone tried it on their rooted Prime? I would love to try it but mine is gone for yet another RMA.
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Nope, but I'm just about to. I'll report back. Nice spot. Thanks for sharing.
Installed on my Stock but rooted prime now. Appears to eliminate all the stock browser lag I used to have. It's now blazing fast, and I can scroll while its still loading stuff which I was never able to do before. Holy mother of all fixes it seems like:good:
I installed it last night on my prime. It does lot for my prime. I also did some of the early investigation to what was really being fixed by this hack. I am glad Cyanogen has confirmed some of my theories. If you are rooted I would highly recommend installing it.
-l4k
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fatski said:
Nope, but I'm just about to. I'll report back. Nice spot. Thanks for sharing.
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Tried this and also read up a bit on what it does. Unfortunately I don't think what this tries to do is an issue on the Prime. This basically makes sure there is always random data available for apps from a location that will block if there's none available. However, when I ran a command that was constantly consuming all the random data (cat /dev/random > /dev null), I could see that the random data was getting consumed but it wasn't causing a perceptibly adverse effect on anything else.
I also just ran the app for a while, and I didn't notice anything being more responsive. It will consume extra battery though.
Take look at my write up on the Google bug. That is what the author originally thought the problem was. What is probably going on is kernel lock contention due to the code that generates entropy when the pool is depleted.
Installed it just now, no discernible effect. Quick reboot... Chameleon launcher, app switching, Chrome, all smooth as butter. I am gobsmacked! I think have a feeling this works well for me because of the number of connections made by Chameleon, logged in accounts (I have 9 accounts logged in at all times) and apps syncing that I regularly exhaust the block device. Add to our already slow IO, any blocking at the kernel level will be multipled.
Going to monitor it some more and report back on battery life and any further observations. Thanks for the share! :good:
To all using this: please post some real before & after data. Anecdotes do nothing but cause confusion and misinformation.
xxbeanxx said:
To all using this: please post some real before & after data. Anecdotes do nothing but cause confusion and misinformation.
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it has no effect on any benchmarks so its hard to quantify. for my use it does not make a discernible difference in anything I do with my prime is about the best data you can get.
It has no effect whatsoever: https://plus.google.com/u/0/115049428938715274412/posts/GWr72W9zmY2
Will give it a try.
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To all using this: please post some real before & after data. Anecdotes do nothing but cause confusion and misinformation.
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It has no effect whatsoever: https://plus.google.com/u/0/115049428938715274412/posts/GWr72W9zmY2
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I have done some benchmarks and it makes no difference to those whatsoever. This bothers me because I can't understand if this is supposed to do nothing, how does my device run orders of magnitude snappier all the time while running this compared with intermittent lag that I usually get (for example: waiting 1-3 seconds for the recent app list to show normally vs instant with this mod) . The CPU governor can't be it: I set cpu to max and use the performance governor and I still have massive lag. I have tried numerous things for I/O: different schedulers, different mount options to reduce writes on reads and improve write speed ie. noatime, nodiratime, discard, and nothing works! I have tried to narrow down a single process that causes the lag, no dice. I know I only have just under 2 days of testing behind me and yes I only have anecdotal evidence but I have been running this a long enough time with absolutely zero lag that I can't say it makes no difference for me. I'll continue testing but so far it has been too long to be placebo IMO.
gunzy83 said:
I have done some benchmarks and it makes no difference to those whatsoever. This bothers me because I can't understand if this is supposed to do nothing, how does my device run orders of magnitude snappier all the time while running this compared with intermittent lag that I usually get (for example: waiting 1-3 seconds for the recent app list to show normally vs instant with this mod) . The CPU governor can't be it: I set cpu to max and use the performance governor and I still have massive lag. I have tried numerous things for I/O: different schedulers, different mount options to reduce writes on reads and improve write speed ie. noatime, nodiratime, discard, and nothing works! I have tried to narrow down a single process that causes the lag, no dice. I know I only have just under 2 days of testing behind me and yes I only have anecdotal evidence but I have been running this a long enough time with absolutely zero lag that I can't say it makes no difference for me. I'll continue testing but so far it has been too long to be placebo IMO.
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Haha benchmarks dont equate to real life performance. Benchmark scores have been decreasing since gingerbread even though the new software makes everything faster
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The reason why your device *feels* snappier is because constant I/O activity ensures the CPU will remain at rather high clocks, producing the effect of a smoother experience at the expense of massive battery drain. The explanation of increasing the entropy does nothing by itself, you could cause a lot of I/O activity to anywhere in the emmc and it would produce a similar effect.
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ian1 said:
Haha benchmarks dont equate to real life performance. Benchmark scores have been decreasing since gingerbread even though the new software makes everything faster
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Indeed. That was my point, benchmark results were unchanged but user experience is different. Hrrrm
Didn't do anything for me. Uninstalled it.
Thanks for finding this
I was skeptical as many are about this. I did not see any improvement in Quadrant scores. I installed this for one reason only and it works!
I stream .m4v movies from my NAS drive to my TV through my TP. Before this was installed I would have problems with stuttering no matter what player I tried. Sometimes I would have problems right away, and depending on the player/movie I could watch about an hour before the stuttering/lag begins. I have been beyond frustrated, especially since my wife has an IPad 2 that plays the same movies flawlessly.
Since installing this I can now play my movies without a hitch. I don't know why, but it works. I only use it for this purpose as my other testing showed no major difference. I turn it off when I am not watching movies as I have read that the battery drain is increased.
I streamed 3 movies this weekend without a problem and 2 of them were back to back and I only used approx 35% battery.
Running AndroWook 1.51 and with 1.6 oc kernal.
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I was skeptical as many are about this. I did not see any improvement in Quadrant scores. I installed this for one reason only and it works!
I stream .m4v movies from my NAS drive to my TV through my TP. Before this was installed I would have problems with stuttering no matter what player I tried. Sometimes I would have problems right away, and depending on the player/movie I could watch about an hour before the stuttering/lag begins. I have been beyond frustrated, especially since my wife has an IPad 2 that plays the same movies flawlessly.
Since installing this I can now play my movies without a hitch. I don't know why, but it works. I only use it for this purpose as my other testing showed no major difference. I turn it off when I am not watching movies as I have read that the battery drain is increased.
I streamed 3 movies this weekend without a problem and 2 of them were back to back and I only used approx 35% battery.
Running AndroWook 1.51 and with 1.6 oc kernal.
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+ 1 here. Running last JB update + rooted, wasn't able to play heavy games since the update to JB when we lost the OC kernel from ICS, games were laggy, freezing,almost unplayable. After seeder.apk installation, <i am again able to play NOVA 3, Batman, Spiderman, Asåhalt 7, without any lag and high FPS, seems even better than when my Prime was on ICS OC to 1600. I don't care about what people say but what I experience o preformance, this is something I've learnt after all those years using Android devices. Give it try expecially if you run heavy apps. Battery is a bit worse, but who cares when the prime isnot overheating and run a lot better.
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I want to install it too, but as I understand there is no root for current JB yet, or am I wrong?!
as the uninstall?
I have Samsung drivers
atlas 2.2
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gbbootloaders
cmw4 fixed for cm7
CI500_VZW_EH03_GB_CM
and mutliple releases of CM10.1
I followed instructions exactly how [GUIDE] Installing a Rom/CWM recovery/Root or going back to Stock say to do.
I always end up with a bootloop after flashing. The instructions are flawed. Or, one or more files are corrupted.
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I have Samsung drivers
atlas 2.2
odin 1.3
gbbootloaders
cmw4 fixed for cm7
CI500_VZW_EH03_GB_CM
and mutliple releases of CM10.1
I followed instructions exactly how [GUIDE] Installing a Rom/CWM recovery/Root or going back to Stock say to do.
I always end up with a bootloop after flashing. The instructions are flawed. Or, one or more files are corrupted.
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Did you look at my post which further explains the process.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=53235945
Have you installed cm10.1 multiple times?
Some times it doesn't always set thing up in one flash
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Did you look at my post which further explains the process.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=53235945
Have you installed cm10.1 multiple times?
Some times it doesn't always set thing up in one flash
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Yeah I read a post saying to do what you just described with success.
However, this phone is really poor. I have tried GB, ICS, JB and all of them I get similar performance just different features.
The phone can't handle two apps at once regardless of the rom.
I was traveling to a different city to get something on Craigs. It constantly would shutdown my Maps and Navigation when I wanted to read a Kik message.
If I have Kik open and want to read a txt msg, it takes like 10 seconds after clicking the txt msg icon to show the txt.
Is there an app or method that everyone uses on this phone that I don't know about to get this phone to run speedy? Or, is it just so outdated it can't run modern versions of apps?
I just want navigation, txt, kik, and a light browser like dolphin.
Can a Fascinate handle all that and be snappy and quick??
In the mean time, I am switching over to my S3, though I don't like how it's so big I can't reach all the screen with one hand.
fewert said:
Yeah I read a post saying to do what you just described with success.
However, this phone is really poor. I have tried GB, ICS, JB and all of them I get similar performance just different features.
The phone can't handle two apps at once regardless of the rom.
I was traveling to a different city to get something on Craigs. It constantly would shutdown my Maps and Navigation when I wanted to read a Kik message.
If I have Kik open and want to read a txt msg, it takes like 10 seconds after clicking the txt msg icon to show the txt.
Is there an app or method that everyone uses on this phone that I don't know about to get this phone to run speedy? Or, is it just so outdated it can't run modern versions of apps?
I just want navigation, txt, kik, and a light browser like dolphin.
Can a Fascinate handle all that and be snappy and quick??
In the mean time, I am switching over to my S3, though I don't like how it's so big I can't reach all the screen with one hand.
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i think you should understand that this phone has a single-core CPU. running at 1GHz. this phone is almost 4 years old. it's amazing this thing can even run things like Kitkat at all, let alone with the relative finesse the most recent unjust build provides.
it took me a while to realize that apps these days are not optimized for single-core CPUs, it took upgrading to a gs4 to realize that. the fascinate is an admittedly, well, slow phone. or its not meant for multitasking, definitely.
the s3 runs circles around this phone. almost anything does. i've never really found anything that allows for the multitasking and insane speed that i get out of my s4, the closest i've ever gotten was cm7, but that even in its stable release had tons of SOD problems (sleep of death, phone locks and never comes back on).
part of the issue is that the fascinate has 512MB of RAM. back in 2010, it was adequate. not even good, just.. alright. these days the norm is 2GB. a phone with 1GB of RAM is considered outdated. despite google's efforts to optimize kitkat for 512MB devices, this phone's GPU shares RAM with the system, and depending on the configuration, usually 100+ MB is reserved for the GPU, leaving typically about 360-384MB of RAM. You can get more (the kitkat ROM i've mentioned allows 416MB of RAM to the system) but things will start breaking, particularly HD video recording and torch, among other things
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i think you should understand that this phone has a single-core CPU. running at 1GHz. this phone is almost 4 years old. it's amazing this thing can even run things like Kitkat at all, let alone with the relative finesse the most recent unjust build provides.
it took me a while to realize that apps these days are not optimized for single-core CPUs, it took upgrading to a gs4 to realize that. the fascinate is an admittedly, well, slow phone. or its not meant for multitasking, definitely.
the s3 runs circles around this phone. almost anything does. i've never really found anything that allows for the multitasking and insane speed that i get out of my s4, the closest i've ever gotten was cm7, but that even in its stable release had tons of SOD problems (sleep of death, phone locks and never comes back on).
part of the issue is that the fascinate has 512MB of RAM. back in 2010, it was adequate. not even good, just.. alright. these days the norm is 2GB. a phone with 1GB of RAM is considered outdated. despite google's efforts to optimize kitkat for 512MB devices, this phone's GPU shares RAM with the system, and depending on the configuration, usually 100+ MB is reserved for the GPU, leaving typically about 360-384MB of RAM. You can get more (the kitkat ROM i've mentioned allows 416MB of RAM to the system) but things will start breaking, particularly HD video recording and torch, among other things
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Lol my phone e400 is super multitasker
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fewert said:
Yeah I read a post saying to do what you just described with success.
However, this phone is really poor. I have tried GB, ICS, JB and all of them I get similar performance just different features.
The phone can't handle two apps at once regardless of the rom.
I was traveling to a different city to get something on Craigs. It constantly would shutdown my Maps and Navigation when I wanted to read a Kik message.
If I have Kik open and want to read a txt msg, it takes like 10 seconds after clicking the txt msg icon to show the txt.
Is there an app or method that everyone uses on this phone that I don't know about to get this phone to run speedy? Or, is it just so outdated it can't run modern versions of apps?
I just want navigation, txt, kik, and a light browser like dolphin.
Can a Fascinate handle all that and be snappy and quick??
In the mean time, I am switching over to my S3, though I don't like how it's so big I can't reach all the screen with one hand.
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skepticmisfit said:
i think you should understand that this phone has a single-core CPU. running at 1GHz. this phone is almost 4 years old. it's amazing this thing can even run things like Kitkat at all, let alone with the relative finesse the most recent unjust build provides.
it took me a while to realize that apps these days are not optimized for single-core CPUs, it took upgrading to a gs4 to realize that. the fascinate is an admittedly, well, slow phone. or its not meant for multitasking, definitely.
the s3 runs circles around this phone. almost anything does. i've never really found anything that allows for the multitasking and insane speed that i get out of my s4, the closest i've ever gotten was cm7, but that even in its stable release had tons of SOD problems (sleep of death, phone locks and never comes back on).
part of the issue is that the fascinate has 512MB of RAM. back in 2010, it was adequate. not even good, just.. alright. these days the norm is 2GB. a phone with 1GB of RAM is considered outdated. despite google's efforts to optimize kitkat for 512MB devices, this phone's GPU shares RAM with the system, and depending on the configuration, usually 100+ MB is reserved for the GPU, leaving typically about 360-384MB of RAM. You can get more (the kitkat ROM i've mentioned allows 416MB of RAM to the system) but things will start breaking, particularly HD video recording and torch, among other things
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I have not used the kik so I can't really say about it's performance,,, I have seen on the 4.4 kitkat rom from Unjust when I have used google maps navigation it was a huge battery sucker, no matter if I only put it on device [gps] only. I could barely even use it and on a charge it was still draining it faster than it could take it.
i did not have this on jellybean roms
I have not had the the problems you describe '10 seconds to open an app'.
Hangouts used to be slow opening initially but their latest update has made it much faster
I don't think it's multitasking is bad for what it is as a phone given it's specs,,, but everyone use a phone differently,,,
so I mostly agree with the overall jest of what skept is saying,,, it is ultimately limited by the 512MB ram available to use.
for GB and JB roms you can also look at the V6 Supercharger thread, it does help with multi-tasking, it can be a bit hard to understand how to implement it but once you figure that out it goes decent, boot up and time till initial use are much longer than normal, but you just have to plan your reboots for when plenty of time allows
i think jellybean roms are very good performers and given the face that you can use a different kernel that allows for overclocking up 1400 Mhz if desired,,, it's a give and take though,,,, over 1200Mhz and battery life goes south very quickly. [luckily the battery doesn't take long to charge, usually 1 hour,,, and even 5 minutes here or 10 minutes there will really help it last through the day]
Most of the earlier jellybean [4.1.x] versions seemed to give better battery life from what I remember than the newer [4.2.x] ones
and there are a lot of different ones to choose from to suite your style or needs from basic cm to full customization.
most of them were stable enough to be daily drivers,,, the big thing is you will just have to read up on a particular one or just break down and try some to see if they fit what you want.
With all that said though the fascinate will never perform like an S3, S4, Nexus, Nexus 4, Moto G, Moto X
I would consider checking out the Motorola Moto G, it's physical dimensions are nearly she same as the fassy but a hugely better phone, screen size, etc and depending on your phone carrier needs it can be had for as little as $65 bucks...
Well lg optimus l3 is very powerful and performant in fact of multitasking if you're a dev or not a complete noob.My phone can go until 1.2 ghz without probs and its factory clock speed was 800 mhz.Most apps aren't optimized for multi-cores and l3 is single core.384 mb of ram are enough on stock and 301 mb aren't enough on cm.But my kernels got swap.
Battery is very good:10days in stand by,2 days in normal use.
Antutu sucks but i don't believe in it.
So its up to the devs,we're good devs and there are more than 100000 l3s in the world.Now we're getting dualboot.Its all about devs,its all about devs.
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Hello, this is my first post in the Samsung section, i just sold my xperia sp, because it gave me a lot of head ache, always freezing and lagging, scrolling is laggy too, not always, but 70% of the time, specially when multitasking, and what i mean by multitasking is just every day usage stuff,
switching between messenger and facebook is really pain in the ass, very slow and laggy, scrolling on Facebook is very laggy most of the time and i have to re-install the app every few days to prevent it from being laggy again
when i first enable wifi or mobile date, the phone will freeze for 5 seconds, because it couldn't handle all the received notifications at the same time and i have to wait at least 15 seconds for the phone to settle
apps force closing on me, home icons disappearing, and sometimes i get a blank empty app drawer ... and many other horrible things this phone did to torture me
so my question is, will i face the same fate if i get a galaxy s3 ? i am mainly interested in the lte variant with 2gb of ram !! because i already know that the international variant is as slow as my sp , perhaps a little better .
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I think you should go for a newer device, even the lte variant is almost 3 years old.Check the htc one or LG g2, never ever ever Samsung again, but this is my opinion.
gabyif said:
I think you should go for a newer device, even the lte variant is almost 3 years old.Check the htc one or LG g2, never ever ever Samsung again, but this is my opinion.
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thanks, actually i am hesitating to buy i9305 from a friend , but i am afraid it is very laggy like the 9300
what i want to know, how is performance for the 9305
Gamer4Life said:
thanks, actually i am hesitating to buy i9305 from a friend , but i am afraid it is very laggy like the 9300
what i want to know, how is performance for the 9305
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Xperia sp is not a bad phone, it has 1.7ghz dual core krait by qualcomm. I'm wondering for a user who can make a thread on xda, why can't you handle your lag problem? Maybe with installing an aosp rom, or add some tweaks, or etc
senaferdy79 said:
Xperia sp is not a bad phone, it has 1.7ghz dual core krait by qualcomm. I'm wondering for a user who can make a thread on xda, why can't you handle your lag problem? Maybe with installing an aosp rom, or add some tweaks, or etc
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you will not understand what i mean only after you use one , xperia sp is the slowest phone ever made, it's kernel and software are not optimized at all, the phone on paper is very nice, but in real life, it's a nightmare to use.
it tends to freeze and lag on the slightest tasks, like getting notifications and message from facebook, scrolling in messenger and facebook gets very very sluggish because of very bad software and very bad ram management, almost every time you use youtube , or facebook, when you press the home button, the home icons disappear for few seconds, also, in the morning, or after few hours with data/wifi off, when you turn one of them on, the phone will freeze for 10 seconds, and keep acting slow for other 10 seconds, bcuz it couldn'tt handle one messagee and two facebook or update norification..
the only thing that works nice on this phone is video games( adreno 320+720p) but it's useless most of the time in heavy games, asphalt 8 and modern combat5, rr3 always start to lag then crash to home beceause ram gets very low ( bad ram management ?)
tried all official available roms, trie all available custum roms, the phone still slow, but sightley better with lilttle more free ram
the only occasion where the phone is smooth is when wifi/data off, n o background apps, and exploring the menu , also after factory reset, but gets bogged down as soon as you install few social apps that always like to stay in background...
i hope you don't get xperia sp
i tried all tweaks, they don't help much..
Gamer4Life said:
you will not understand what i mean only after you use one , xperia sp is the slowest phone ever made, it's kernel and software are not optimized at all, the phone on paper is very nice, but in real life, it's a nightmare to use.
it tends to freeze and lag on the slightest tasks, like getting notifications and message from facebook, scrolling in messenger and facebook gets very very sluggish because of very bad software and very bad ram management, almost every time you use youtube , or facebook, when you press the home button, the home icons disappear for few seconds, also, in the morning, or after few hours with data/wifi off, when you turn one of them on, the phone will freeze for 10 seconds, and keep acting slow for other 10 seconds, bcuz it couldn'tt handle one messagee and two facebook or update norification..
the only thing that works nice on this phone is video games( adreno 320+720p) but it's useless most of the time in heavy games, asphalt 8 and modern combat5, rr3 always start to lag then crash to home beceause ram gets very low ( bad ram management ?)
tried all official available roms, trie all available custum roms, the phone still slow, but sightley better with lilttle more free ram
the only occasion where the phone is smooth is when wifi/data off, n o background apps, and exploring the menu , also after factory reset, but gets bogged down as soon as you install few social apps that always like to stay in background...
i hope you don't get xperia sp
i tried all tweaks, they don't help much..
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Wew i don't know if it was that bad. I've tried Xperia L and i'm pretty satisfied with it's performance, but unfortunately it has a very bad screen quality. You can't use 2 fingers at the same time on it, nice phone but destroyed by ****ty screen LOL
Btw, how if xsp was compared to xl? I only can imagine xsp's performance with that way
i tried xperia s, sp, ion, and all of lag very bad after few weeks from a fresh install , even after fresh install, you can see it freeze when installing apps specially, or receiving notifications. all are the same ****. only sony phone i used that doesn't lag is xperia z1
no matter what it won't bog down, but it has ghost screen that sony won't fix, replaced the phone 3 times, and always i end up with the same ghost typing my screen when the phone heats up, so i sold it yesterday. now i think it's not worth paying much money for expensive phone, samsung s3 has nice screen, i am interrested in the i9305, my brother had the 9300 it was laggy too
so if you have 9305,, i ask if it lag or no, very simple question
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Wew i don't know if it was that bad. I've tried Xperia L and i'm pretty satisfied with it's performance, but unfortunately it has a very bad screen quality. You can't use 2 fingers at the same time on it, nice phone but destroyed by ****ty screen LOL
Btw, how if xsp was compared to xl? I only can imagine xsp's performance with that way
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Gamer4Life said:
i tried xperia s, sp, ion, and all of lag very bad after few weeks from a fresh install , even after fresh install, you can see it freeze when installing apps specially, or receiving notifications. all are the same ****. only sony phone i used that doesn't lag is xperia z1
no matter what it won't bog down, but it has ghost screen that sony won't fix, replaced the phone 3 times, and always i end up with the same ghost typing my screen when the phone heats up, so i sold it yesterday. now i think it's not worth paying much money for expensive phone, samsung s3 has nice screen, i am interrested in the i9305, my brother had the 9300 it was laggy too
so if you have 9305,, i ask if it lag or no, very simple question
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Ive owned both, and I have to say the lte variant is a cracking phone! Best hardware in its time. Vs the moto g 2014 which can be picked up for around the same priced (although s3 lte will be used or refurbished to be as cheap) its great. The extra ram is the key here, thats why the sp (which I also have owned) sucks hard, as does the standard s3 on stock, although it was pretty good on cm11