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Truth be told I have been waiting for second gen WP7 devices to hit the canadian market, which doesnt seem to be happening anytime soon. Over the course of the past 3 months I have aquired an Acer Android tablet, sold my ipad and purchased an Android phone for my wife (casual user).
Now I am at the point where I am very tired of my 3 year old BB Curve and I want to start developing for the mobile market (for fun, possibly create custom apps for work, I am in IT)
I come from a Java background 10 years ago, then moved to .NET, which is why I was waiting for a Windows Phone, but has time has passed I have been following Android news and I am strongly considering getting an Android phone.
What I am not clear on is the Nexus line of phones, I guess this line of phones is managed by Google, which then chooses new OEMs as new phone are released? Is this a big benifit when it come to update/App support/ROMs..etc or is it a drawback?
Also, if you were to choose a phone to fit the following needs/wants, Is the Galaxy II or Galaxy Nexus a better fit (I really want a Samsung phone)
Needs
-Exchange support, not full, but the more ActiveSync features that are supported, the better.
-ROM Access, Id like to play around with ROM/Custimize the phone
-App support, I noticed on my Acer tablet a lot of apps are not available, that we can get on the phone
Wants
- I am stuck with this phonme for 2 years, so being able to upgrade to 5.0 when it comes out would be ideal.
- A Big screen! The softbuttons only on the Nexus is nice
- I want ICS right now, but I dont mind waiting till April when the GII gets it in Canada\
- I want to develop for it, if one is easier to development for (doubt it), it would be good to know.
Thanks, just looking for advice and figured this forum would be good, as I like to mess around with the software side of things, long time reader, first time poster!
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Truth be told I have been waiting for second gen WP7 devices to hit the canadian market, which doesnt seem to be happening anytime soon. Over the course of the past 3 months I have aquired an Acer Android tablet, sold my ipad and purchased an Android phone for my wife (casual user).
Now I am at the point where I am very tired of my 3 year old BB Curve and I want to start developing for the mobile market (for fun, possibly create custom apps for work, I am in IT)
I come from a Java background 10 years ago, then moved to .NET, which is why I was waiting for a Windows Phone, but has time has passed I have been following Android news and I am strongly considering getting an Android phone.
What I am not clear on is the Nexus line of phones, I guess this line of phones is managed by Google, which then chooses new OEMs as new phone are released? Is this a big benifit when it come to update/App support/ROMs..etc or is it a drawback?
Also, if you were to choose a phone to fit the following needs/wants, Is the Galaxy II or Galaxy Nexus a better fit (I really want a Samsung phone)
Needs
-Exchange support, not full, but the more ActiveSync features that are supported, the better.
-ROM Access, Id like to play around with ROM/Custimize the phone
-App support, I noticed on my Acer tablet a lot of apps are not available, that we can get on the phone
Wants
- I am stuck with this phonme for 2 years, so being able to upgrade to 5.0 when it comes out would be ideal.
- A Big screen! The softbuttons only on the Nexus is nice
- I want ICS right now, but I dont mind waiting till April when the GII gets it in Canada\
- I want to develop for it, if one is easier to development for (doubt it), it would be good to know.
Thanks, just looking for advice and figured this forum would be good, as I like to mess around with the software side of things, long time reader, first time poster!
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Go for the Nexus. It will have amazing dev support, and being a nexus is a huge benefit. It it guaranteed to get updates for 2 years, and receives all updates first. Unlocking the bootloader is a simple command throught the terminal emulator. Dev wise...you just can't go wrong with that phone.
Galaxy Nexus if your planning to dev as that's what its really made for as boot loader can be unlocked easily an it will have the next Android version guaranteed.
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another vote for Nexus S or Galaxy Nexus
you can also subscribe to the Samsung Developer program, to get loaner phones for DEVing
Thanks, looks like Nexus is the way to go
Thanks for the info, Is there a reference blog/document that outlines why the Nexus devices are special and what you get, not that I dont trust you all .
Just search google or whatever. There are multiple blogs that detail all the abilities of the Google Nexus. Again though, for what you're wanting the Nexus is going to be the best thing kicking right now. Easy unlockable bootloader and the ability to take updates immediately if you like.
If you're going to develop you might want to check out www.thenewboston.com He starts at the very beginning of basic development and gets as advanced as you like more or less. Great resource.
Nexus is a great choice for you.
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Get the iPhone 4 and jailbreak it.
Galaxy Nexus. It will last you years because its a google phone and will always receive updates first. Plus, they have the highest dev support.
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Galaxy Nexus is the first choise then Galaxy S2. u can think sensation xe if u like sense
s2, galaxy nexus, atrix2,moro rzr droid, lg 2x, on this order
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Get the iPhone 4 and jailbreak it.
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I find the IPhone way too small to type on + I want to stand out . If people use an on screen keyboard I dont understand how people can be productive with such a small phone. I work with a lot of Iphones due to clients purchasing them, so I have been able to test them thoroughly.
Nexus or Galaxy S2
If you want a big phone get the Samsung Galaxy Note.
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Hi All,
I have a chance to trade locally with someone who picked up a VZW Black S4. I have the White Note 2 and he wants to go back to the Note 2. The nerd in me screams awesome as I'm always wanting to check out new phones but at the same time, why might he want to go back to the Note 2 from the S4...
If anyone has and uses both phones what are the pro's and con's? Any preference between the two (and yes, I realize this is the S4 forums so preference may be a bit biased).
My Note 2 is like new, has two batteries and two s-pens so he's offering a straight trade, phone for phone no cash exhanged.
Thoughts?
I love the Note 2, I read books, watch movies and tv shows on it, and music quality is amazing. Signal quality and download speeds are insane. Looking for day to day use comparisons for those that have had both phones and advice on what I can expect from the S4 if I proceed with this trade.
Preference, I do miss the bigger screen.. flash video is a little smoother (more forgiving is better put) on the Note 2 (4.1.2) but being able to one hand the device, the IR blaster and 1080p display is rly nice.
Do it, the value of the Note 2 is dropping
Then trade up to the Note 3
Thats what I am doing (did)
Yeah I had the iPhone 5, bought a Note 2. And then sold the iPhone and Note 2 and got the S4 and I still have my upgrade next month! Loving the S4 right now.
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I have the Note 2 and then bought the S4. I wouldn't get rid of either of them. they both have thier strong points.
The Note 2, all of the big scren stuff and the sPen,(which I still use, daily) as well as I have mine on a dual boot. so I get TW (Beans) and with a re boot running pacman (PA, AOKP, CM)
There is really no down side to the Note 2 other than it is about 9 months old... (Is that really a down side? the longer you have a phone the more options we have with the developers that come out with the new development options)
I have my eye on the note 3 when it comes out and I still would't get rid of the note 2.
With the S4, It is a great phone all of the awesome TW stuff and the blaster. The best thig is jacking any TV that you are near. Good stuff when your in the DR. Office and DR Phil is on, opps was on, I just jacked it and put on Sportscenter...HA!
if you like there are some really cool Original Android devs that are doing some cool stuff.
It still is really new and the development hasn't really been where it is with the Note 2, that is if you are into all of the new ROMs and bells and whistles...
We just ran into a snag until the new verizon OTA gets rooted, unlocked and opened up for the devs to get into it so those of us that like the TW ROMs.
I would not trade the Note 2 for the S4 , but that is just my .02
Right now the S4 is in a awkward stage with the Dev's. As mentioned earlier the latest OTA update locked the phone up tight. There is a huge bounty to re-root & unlock the bootloader yet no one has cracked it yet. If you're not into customizing your phone via root and custom roms then the S4 is a good choice. The screen detail alone makes the S4 very appealing. Get the S4; better equity and trade in value.
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i wish i never sold my note 2. perfect daily phone for me. the s4 gets warm/hot to me where the note 2 never did. both have pros and cons. i cant wait for note 3 and htc one. s4 will be gone if either one of those is decent
My wife switched and is really happy.
She loved the Note II but the size was getting to be an issue for her.
She found the S4 noticeably lighter in in hand which she preferred when using her phone for extended periods, and that the S4 fit her various pockets in her smaller purses better. Those were her two reasons. She loved the extra screen size on the Note II, but has been happier overall w/the S4.
Would have got the N2 but at the time it was 300 when the S4 was 200. I just couldn't pay more for an "inferior" device. If they were the same price IDK what I would be with now though.
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I still have both. However, I don't use the Note anymore. Nothing wrong with it, I'm just to busy playing with my S4. At first I did miss the S pen. It came in so handy at work. Running around and taking notes on the go, I saved thousands of trees Lol.
It does get warm. This differs with choice of kernel in my experience. While development isn't yet massive, it's not a ghost town either... As you can see. Personally, I'd make the switch... Unless the phone your looking at has the update??
Dual boot? I think it's time to take a gander in the Note 2 forums.
Dr. Cornelius asks you to calm down.
That Note 2 screen looks so pixilated to Mr after looking at this S4 screen resolution.
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I still have both. However, I don't use the Note anymore. Nothing wrong with it, I'm just to busy playing with my S4. At first I did miss the S pen. It came in so handy at work. Running around and taking notes on the go, I saved thousands of trees Lol.
It does get warm. This differs with choice of kernel in my experience. While development isn't yet massive, it's not a ghost town either... As you can see. Personally, I'd make the switch... Unless the phone your looking at has the update??
Dual boot? I think it's time to take a gander in the Note 2 forums.
Dr. Cornelius asks you to calm down.
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Your s4 or note gets warm?
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begin with galaxy S3,then note 2, and now S4, I cannot resist galaxy products!
I made the switch a few days ago.. gave my brother my note 2 and used his upgrade to get the s4. I definitely like some of the small features that the s4 has that my note 2 didn't (the smart video view in particular). I never really used the spen all that often so although I do miss it, it's nothing for me not to have it.
The main reason why I switched was because of the size on the note 2. I do love the screen size on the note 2(the only thing I truly miss), but the size of the phone it brought with it were getting old. I text a ton, and not being able to text on one hand without getting extremely pissed at the constant typos just got to be too much.
I haven't seen too much of a hit on my battery.. I could easily get through the work day and all evening with my note 2.. but I've yet to require a charge mid day on my s4.. and I'm using smart features which I didn't on the note 2. I'm definitely glad I made the switch.. something as little as being able to use cup holders to hold my phone is so nice.
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I personally didn't get a ton more out of my note 2 if you consider the screen on time.
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I had the note 2 since launch up until about a month ago when I got the s4. I still have the note. I just moved it over to a secondary line. I use both daily for different things. The note 2 is still an awesome device.... The s4 is my daily driver.... Wow. I'm sure I'm not being helpful at all. If u can look past the IR blaster and the resolution. Get the note 2. My kids are always losing the remote so the s4 comes in handy. The rest of the features I feel are just gimmicks. Nothing really..... Extravagant
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So I'm curious. What about your Note 2 keeps your interest in it?
Size, software, hardware (including S-pen), choice of ROMs, etc..
For me its size. I love the size of the phone and the display alone enough for me to love it without considering anything else. But, I will of course.
This is strictly for curiosity and conversation. That's it.
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I'd have to say it's also the size. I see every other phone my friends and family use and it always makes me laugh and til this day everyone always compliments it or always say something funny about its size.
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Same sentiments here. The size kept me coming back, and now I don't even look at other phones....I used to switch every week or two.
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Size and completeness, how everything works well
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It's how awesome porn looks on the screen.
The fact that my contract isn't up with Verizon and I don't have enough money to buy a new phone outright.
Honestly, I'm done with giant phones these days. The moto x will be my next phone when I more to t-mobile.
For me it's the size of the screen, the crisp display, and the performance.
I use my Note 2 more than I use my laptop.
Some friends and family members make fun of its size, but when I'm with them and they want to do something on the internet, they start on their phone then say "let me see your phone".
I don't understand how they can say they love the size of their phone then want to see mine to view the internet.
For the same reason my wife stays with me...
Seriously tho, this device has a great screen, battery life, and performance...Sure the S4 has better hardware specs, but at this point in time better hardware offers diminishing returns at best. The Note 3 will have to be a major imorovement before I consider upgrading or else I may hold off until the Note 4...thats right I said it.
The size is definitely the main attraction, but I also love the S-Pen and the battery life. I switched from the S3 to the Note 2, and now whenever I try to use the S3, it feels so damn tiny in comparison.
For me, it's because most of my friends with S3/S4's don't even know about the Note 2, so when they ask me what kind of phone I have I say the S4. Then I act really surprised when my phone is bigger than theirs and I tell them they must have gotten the mini.
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For me, it's because most of my friends with S3/S4's don't even know about the Note 2, so when they ask me what kind of phone I have I say the S4. Then I act really surprised when my phone is bigger than theirs and I tell them they must have gotten the mini.
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LOL that's awesome. I got mine the day it was released and people now are asking me if it's the S4. I may use your quip.
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LOL that's awesome. I got mine the day it was released and people now are asking me if it's the S4. I may use your quip.
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Haha they get angry too, a lot of S4 people are iPhone switchers that know nothing about Android, they really believe you.
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For me, it's because most of my friends with S3/S4's don't even know about the Note 2, so when they ask me what kind of phone I have I say the S4. Then I act really surprised when my phone is bigger than theirs and I tell them they must have gotten the mini.
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ROFL....too funny!!
For me it's the screen size and the boat load of ROM choices to give me a different phone weekly, or daily if I choose.
I like the size but I wish it was the size of the note. I think I like it because its got the most functionality of any phone I've ever seen.
There's nothing you can't do with this thing.
I like to keep a smart dock plugged into my entertainment center. Then setting across the room I'll control it with my ps3 controller.
calling this a phone is kinda like calling your home computer an email checker. literally these are little computers that also text and make phone calls. I have hade a few phones I've been missing with phones since the first razor cam out. I've just never seen anything this versatile before.
Size & quality of the display is nice for my aging eyes and fat fingers.
Battery capacity...all day easily.
Ability to take an SD card for additional memory.
Android customizability (sp?)
All these make this phone more attractive to me than most of the current crop of similar size.
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Haha they get angry too, a lot of S4 people are iPhone switchers that know nothing about Android, they really believe you.
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Most likely people who shouldn't have an S4 in the first place then.
I have an S4, and my mom has the Note 2, but i frequently do 1 handed typing, and on the note its just a litle bit big for 1 hand to accurately type. I know the Note has the 1 handed option, but i'm not a big fan of that layout, and the 5 inch display on the S4 is perfect for me. I also like the colours and crispness more than on the note 2, and obviously the stronger hardware. I find even when i was doing work on my moms phone, i never really found any practical uses for the S-Pen that i would even consider it useful for me. It's all just personal preference though, but i laugh that i used to think the iPhone 4 was the perfect phone back in the day.
Its a very nice device though, and its nice to have the slightly larger screen for videos and games, but for me 5 inches is the sweet spot for the ultimate balance between functionality and ease of use.
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Most likely people who shouldn't have an S4 in the first place then.
I have an S4, and my mom has the Note 2, but i frequently do 1 handed typing, and on the note its just a litle bit big for 1 hand to accurately type. I know the Note has the 1 handed option, but i'm not a big fan of that layout, and the 5 inch display on the S4 is perfect for me. I also like the colours and crispness more than on the note 2, and obviously the stronger hardware. I find even when i was doing work on my moms phone, i never really found any practical uses for the S-Pen that i would even consider it useful for me. It's all just personal preference though, but i laugh that i used to think the iPhone 4 was the perfect phone back in the day.
Its a very nice device though, and its nice to have the slightly larger screen for videos and games, but for me 5 inches is the sweet spot for the ultimate balance between functionality and ease of use.
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I think the S4 is definitely the best size, but first thing I look at when getting a phone is the development for it, because we passed the point where hardware can make a difference in the performance of this relatively light OS (Android compared to Windows or Mac), so really the most powerful phone is now the one with the most capable software available for it. I wish my phone was the S4 size, but I don't think I can even use a ROM that doesn't haven't floating multiwindows at this point. I run every app in a window now.
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I think the S4 is definitely the best size, but first thing I look at when getting a phone is the development for it, because we passed the point where hardware can make a difference in the performance of this relatively light OS (Android compared to Windows or Mac), so really the most powerful phone is now the one with the most capable software available for it. I wish my phone was the S4 size, but I don't think I can even use a ROM that doesn't haven't floating multiwindows at this point. I run every app in a window now.
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I'm pretty sure the floating multiwindow features will eventually come to the S4, that is Multitasking to the max, but there are still some alternatives and you can get a close to similar experience on the S4. And things like Nottach etc, bring the other functionalities such as the horizontal split messenger/contacts and all the other goodies that stock S4 users miss out on.
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I'm pretty sure the floating multiwindow features will eventually come to the S4, that is Multitasking to the max, but there are still some alternatives and you can get a close to similar experience on the S4. And things like Nottach etc, bring the other functionalities such as the horizontal split messenger/contacts and all the other goodies that stock S4 users miss out on.
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in sure it will eventually too assuming that borrower in unlocked, there's very little development for the vzw s4 because of it unfortunately.
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It's how awesome porn looks on the screen.
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was just drinking water when i read this.. laugh so hard water came out my mouth.. thanks needed to laugh:good:
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For the same reason my wife stays with me...
Seriously tho, this device has a great screen, battery life, and performance...Sure the S4 has better hardware specs, but at this point in time better hardware offers diminishing returns at best. The Note 3 will have to be a major imorovement before I consider upgrading or else I may hold off until the Note 4...thats right I said it.
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^^^^^^^+100000000000000 to exactly everything stated HERE ^^^^
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For me, it's because most of my friends with S3/S4's don't even know about the Note 2, so when they ask me what kind of phone I have I say the S4. Then I act really surprised when my phone is bigger than theirs and I tell them they must have gotten the mini.
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gonna have copy you on this one.. have many friends that have finally switched from an iphone and they have S3 or S4
My wife has the S4 and it does have alot of features and extra sensors etc... that are cool
but with my note 2 i dont need a charger at work or in the car anymore. I Sometimes i have to charge it when i go to sleep or every other day depending on how heavy i use it..
S4 pockets alot nicer but I dont wear girl jeans "cough" skinny jeans so the note 2 fits perfectly..
I dont use the pen as heavily as i thought i was going to but the times i have needed it, it has save me a headache and time which saves me money ..
playing games on it watching videos is alot better and easier on the eyes
Also im not worried about if i have to many things open at the same time it will slow down the phone..
Mult window is a big HELP as well.
I have been a long time android user (windows mobile before that, palm before that). I love the flexibility of the platform. I love using my phone to do things that historically you need a pc to do. (usenet,movies,bittorent, now chromecast)
That being said while I enjoy the Note 3 and Android as a whole I find the flexibility I loved about android (roms,kernels,etc) is slowly going away with locked boot loaders. The note 3 has had the least developer support of any android phone I have had to date (HTC incredible, galaxy nexus, gs3)
In addition because of the number and variety of android devices the accessories for Android devices are generally less quality and slower to market then the Iphone. My galaxy nexus never got a proper car dock.
So now I am faced with a hard question. If I am forced to buy a phone with a locked bootloader I might aswell get a I phone (and jail break it). Because there are only 2 models of Iphone the dev support is much more focused. The accessory market is better etc, car integration.
Is any one else in the situation. Right now I am debating the nexus 6 (dual speakers unlocked bootloader) and the Iphone 6 plus. With the next HTC one max on the list if that is ever announced.
Is anyone else in the same boat.
*obviously everyone experience with android will be different*
It kinda sounds like you've answered your own question already.
In my experience, every Nexus has been terrible for accessory support. Remember that dock that was supposed to release very soon after the 1st gen Nexus 7? And didn't show up until right before or right after the 2nd gen Nexus 7 came out? Yeah. The Galaxy Nexus had some pretty mediocre accessory support, too. It got a Commuter and Defender, and in like two colors.
The one Android phone I had that had awesome accessory support was my Razr M. I had a car dock, the phone itself had an awesome car mode and all. The next Android phone that I've experienced with half decent support was the S5, but the Galaxy Note line doesn't get the same love. With my Note 3, I use my Spigen Bounce case (love the hell outta this thing) and a universal car mount if I need to use it as a GPS. That's all I really need, I guess.
My one knock against the 6 Plus is how awkward that thing looks. Of course, that's personal opinion, but I have a feeling a lot of Note 3 owners may share in my sentiment on that. I could be wrong.
I'm in the same boat except I definitely won't get the Note 4. My wife has a 6+ and I love messing around with the thing. On the other hand I love Android and have a ton of money with apps/music etc on it. I'm seriously torn myself I love the 6 inch screen, speakers, unlocked bootloader etc. On the Nexus, But the 6+ feels great imo in hand and is ridiculously smooth. And with jailbreaking it there is actually quite a bit you can do with them after reading up on it. I think I'm probably going with the 6+ personally. As you also stated the accessories for it for outweigh other phones, the 128gb option is nice, and just to get a new OS to play around with.
We have a thread to discuss other devices here:
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Hi guys,
Just wanted to have your honest opinion. I'm considering the iphone 7 as my next daily driver since my s6e will be 2 yrs already.
Are there any benefits of moving from android to ios? I'm a heavy media user and I always play high end games on my phone. I just download anything on the go in the internet. (I think ios does no allow this?)
Should I move to ip7 or wait for the next big thing? (S8)
Cheers!
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Hi guys,
Just wanted to have your honest opinion. I'm considering the iphone 7 as my next daily driver since my s6e will be 2 yrs already.
Are there any benefits of moving from android to ios? I'm a heavy media user and I always play high end games on my phone. I just download anything on the go in the internet. (I think ios does no allow this?)
Should I move to ip7 or wait for the next big thing? (S8)
Cheers!
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Wait for the next google phone...any other custom skin on top of plain vanilla android will only screw the pure android experience...
IOS is a very closed OS : very difficult to install other that apple store apps. atualy the issue to jailbreak ios are limited.
The perf. off iPhone 7 are not so good.
If yo want to have a customisable smartphone wait for S8.
That'is my modest and honest opinion.
I might go back myself, tired of the lack of android updates. I only had an iPhone for a couple months. I traded it for this before i realized this was essentially dead in the water
If you're into android development and custom ROMs, I'd steer clear of galaxy s6 edge.
If the new s8 was more suitable for customising and had features like USB 3 and expandable storage, then maybe.
Like others have mentioned, the update cycle from Samsung software is very slow as well.
I'm also not a fan of the s6 edge form factor, and having owned one for a long time, find it uncomfortable to hold, even though stylish.
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Thanks guys! Might as well wait for the next big thing from sammy. I'm considering pixel as well but it's hell a lot of expensive and might not be offered via carrier. Such a bummer..
I am also on s6 edge and I am considering to switch to iPhone due to very poor battery on my s6. Such expensive phone which does not last more than 10-12 hours is simply a joke.
I doubt I'll buy Samsung again honestly