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Listen, I understand how people are looking at KF and thinking - man, it's already rooted, has CWM and ROMS are but a minute away. Our NT is still locked down, and we're being told it may stay this way.
So naturally, being in your return period, you're thinking about switching boats to KF.
I have one word explaining why that's a real bad idea: SPECS.
Ok, say you have a KF running CM on it.
RAM - you have 512MB RAM. That's low, not enough for GB or ICS. No need arguing that GB will run on it - yes it will, but it'll never be as smooth as a 1GB RAM device. Android will keep closing apps to free up mem, that creates response lag.
Anybody who had an original SGS with GB on it knows - you just can't make an SGSII out of it, it will always lag here and there. Read engadget review - they are complaining about how laggy it is.
Memory - You've got 6GB memory. That's it. You'll never have any more. That means you'll constantly feel deprived of space - you can't load full HD movies to watch, you can't load your music collection on it. You'll constantly be sacrificing something.
Books/Media store - you only have access to Amazon media store, since B&N doesn't have a store you can install and use. On a NT, though, without any root we already can stream Amazon content, read Kindle books, and that's all with native support of everything B&N has to offer.
No MIC - forget about using your Fire with Google Voice. There's no mic. Also forget about recording yourself reading books to your kids, to use in case you're on vacation or something.
Amazon Cloud you say? Yes, but only where you have a good WiFi connection. As soon as you're out of range - the fun stops. Phone tethering you say? Those 2GB will disappear MEGA FAST if you stream to your KF.
Amazon videos you say? Sure, but remember - that ain't free. Pay Amazon Prime membership fee, then also pay for movies themselves. And again, only when on WiFi and you don't get to keep it.
On the other hand, consider this:
With NT, even without root, we already have a device that's:
Very snappy
Able to sideload apps
Able to run a different launcher
Able to run Opera browser - nice n fast
Able to run 720p videos in browser, full screen
Able to play almost any video up to full-HD 1080p BlueRay
Able to play AVI files with free third-party players (no need for conversion)
Has 33GB+ of memory with an added SD card. I've just loaded tons of movies, books, magazines and music on it, and still have space remaining
Will be able to be used as a phone with Google Voice
Run Amazon Market (some have reported that even older Android Market APK works)
Run both Amazon's and B&N's premium content.
Think about it. Yes, KF was hacked faster than our NT was, but in the end, we already have almost everything we need, AND we have a much more powerful device.
KF was quicker at the start, but it has almost depleted its potential as a modern Android tablet, considering what future versions of Android need. Our device still has tons of untapped potential.
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Engadget released a comparison between the two HERE.
Here are some interesting parts for the lazy:
Both tablets are a good size for one-handed reading, though the Nook edges out the Kindle here a bit, with its slightly lighter weight (14.1 ounces to the Fire's 14.6). The Nook's subtly convex back and plastic bezel make a bit easier to hold.
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Both devices rock 1GHz dual-core processors, but the Nook has an edge here, with its 1GB of RAM to the Fire's 512MB -- and certainly the difference is noticeable, even when booting up something as simple as a game like Angry Birds. Things are even more pronounced during video playback. We took Shutter Island for a spin via Netflix streaming on both devices, and it was really like night and day. Motion is far less choppy on the Barnes & Noble device. The HD playback on the Nook also picked up subtle imagery like patterns on ties, which were largely lost on the Fire.
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tl;dr version: PATIENCE!
+1 to NT and I repped you too!
oh wait..not SD. LOL
That is why everyone needs to pull their pants back up and wait.
It will be rooted.
I also voted this thread up!
How hard would it be for them to close the sideload loophole? The thing updates automatically, right? Obviously they are not going to be excited hearing about everyone using the Amazon store.
I agree the Fire is not a good alternative for exactly your reasons, but that doesn't necessarily mean that this is worth keeping if it turns out to be locked down tight.
compscure said:
How hard would it be for them to close the sideload loophole? The thing updates automatically, right? Obviously they are not going to be excited hearing about everyone using the Amazon store.
I agree the Fire is not a good alternative for exactly your reasons, but that doesn't necessarily mean that this is worth keeping if it turns out to be locked down tight.
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In my opinion, a locked NT as it is right now is still much better than a KF running CM.
But given that they locked it down, don't you think it was a mistake/accident that they allowed apk installs through the browser? When they push the first update will that ability still be there?
DarkDvr, normally i would agree with you if the market only have two 7inch tablet to choose from (KF and NT). However this is not the case, we have tons of options in 7inch tablet market, and if B&N really is being an ass to lock down the NT, then people can choose other tablets that might fit their need better.
Last year when NC came out there was only two 7inch tablet (NC, and Samsung Tab), so we get a lot more developer support, and people are willing to be more patient, but this is no longer the case.
7inch tablets:
Nook Tablet
Kindle Fire
Samsung Tab (~$250 refurbished for 3g version, cheaper for wifi version)
Nook Color ($199)
Lenovo Idea Pad A1 (Cortext A8, 512mb ram, bluetooth, GPS, f/b camera, microsd slot, $199)
Acer Iconia Tab A100 (tegra 2, 1gb ram, Honeycomb, bluetooth, f/b camera, <$200 on BF)
Kobo Vox (Cortex A8, 512 ram, Gingerbread, MicroSd, $199)
Samsung Tab 7.0 Plus (Exynos dual core, 1gb ram, honeycomb, GPS, BT, F/B camera, $399)
Samsung Tab 7.7 (Exynos, 1gb ram, Honeycomb, GPS, BT, F/B camera, 1280x800, price?)
HTC Flyer (1.5ghz, pen input, $299)
Dell Streak 7 Tablet (Tegra 2, 800x480, Honeycomb, f/b camera)
And those are only the major brands, there are other off brands like Archos, Velocity Micro, Coby, that i didn't include.
So to me, if B&N really want to piss off the community that help make their NC a success to began with, then I will vote with my wallet and let them know that it is not a good idea to piss off the people your loyal customer, and your first adopter for the NT.
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Don't get me wrong, I still have high hope for the NT, and i really like the NC/NT simple but elegant design. However if B&N really choose to lookdown the NT's bootloader (which the dev community haven't conclusively proven yet), then i really don't want to buy a product from a company that chooses to piss off it's loyal customers.
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7inch tablets:
Nook Tablet
Kindle Fire
Samsung Tab (~$250 refurbished for 3g version, cheaper for wifi version)
Nook Color ($199)
Lenovo Idea Pad A1 (Cortext A8, 512mb ram, bluetooth, GPS, f/b camera, microsd slot, $199)
Acer Iconia Tab A100 (tegra 2, 1gb ram, Honeycomb, bluetooth, f/b camera, <$200 on BF)
Kobo Vox (Cortex A8, 512 ram, Gingerbread, MicroSd, $199)
Samsung Tab 7.0 Plus (Exynos dual core, 1gb ram, honeycomb, GPS, BT, F/B camera, $399)
Samsung Tab 7.7 (Exynos, 1gb ram, Honeycomb, GPS, BT, F/B camera, 1280x800, price?)
HTC Flyer (1.5ghz, pen input, $299)
Dell Streak 7 Tablet (Tegra 2, 800x480, Honeycomb, f/b camera)
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True, I definitely think that locking NT was a huge mistake that B&N will pay for, but for some of us NT IS the best option.
Samsung Tab - 10 inch heavy shovel - screw that
NC - too weak and laggy, even after mods
Lenovo - 512 RAM, weak
Acer Iconia - I see $330+ price even for 8GB version
Kobo Vox - 512 RAM and don't trust that brand
Samsung Tab 7.0 Plus - 400+tax for a tablet is overpriced
Samsung Tab 7.7 - even more expensive?
HTC Flyer - slow and laggy, overpriced since day 1
Dell Streak - slow and laggy, low res screen
What I'm saying is that when you, like me, are in the market for a cheap tablet, there's only 2 good options - NT and KF. Rest of them are either overpriced as a device (going into netbook or UP category, where they just can't compete) or some shady brands.
At least that's my thinking.
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Don't get me wrong, I still have high hope for the NT, and i really like the NC/NT simple but elegant design. However if B&N really choose to lookdown the NT's bootloader (which the dev community haven't conclusively proven yet), then i really don't want to buy a product from a company that chooses to piss off it's loyal customers.
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Agreed, and given a choice, I'd always go for a company that doesn't insult my intelligence and doesn't treat its customers as morons. However, I have full faith in XDA community and still believe this will get hacked. And when it does, I'll be pointing finger at KF and laughing maniacally.
Depending on the weather here on the forum in the next 12 days, B&N may be losing my $260 to a Samsung G 7+ (maybe even a KF if I'm feeling crazy). Or just wait a few months see what turns up after Christmas.
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So to me, if B&N really want to piss off the community that help make their NC a success to began with, then I will vote with my wallet and let them know that it is not a good idea to piss off the people your loyal customer, and your first adopter for the NT.
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I saw a quote linked somewhere here recently from someone from B&N and they said something about 3% of NC coming from modders. I don't know how accurate or guesstimated that number was, but we shouldn't forget that they sell millions of these devices to normal consumers and there are only thousands of us. I'd like to think they keep people like us in mind, but we certainly aren't they primary market by a long shot.
I agree that there are lots of other options, but it's disheartening when none seem to have the build quality and specs in the same price range as the Nook models, excluding BF sales that might be hard to get. The IdeaPad looks intriguing at first glance but is the same basic hardware as the year-old NC and with a worse screen (and eww: the $200 version has 2GB storage that probably won't ever fit ICS). Acer A100 looks nice but also has a cheaper screen and a small battery.
DarkDvr while i am like you, think that the NT might be the best fit for my use case also. But with so many choices out there, i think our dev and support community won't be anywhere near the same as it was with NC. Plus with the bone headed move on B&N part, i don't see many true devotee sticking to the NT like yourself. And that is the ultimate problem, without a strong dev community, the NT most likely won't get all the goodies like CM7/CM9, which is what made the NC awesome.
By the way the Samsung Tab i was referring to earlier is the 7inch model, the same one that came out right before NC. Both are rocking Cortex-A8 processor.
I am honestly VERY happy with the status of my KT right now. As it stands, with a launcher, widgetlocker app and all the other sideloaded apps I wanted I have everything i wanted.
I dont care if I lose amazon marketplace support, because honestly I can find any apk I want all amazon does is give me a way to read reviews (which i can through the browser + android market)
the only thing, and trust me it is a HUGE thing, i am terrified of is that come day 15 or 16 or even 30, B&N releases a firmware update i cannot click 'no' to and it updates my nook and closes the hole we've been using. I dont know if its possible, but I reckon it is and that would make me a very sad camper since stock, this thing is a total piece of **** software wise (nook market is worthless), i bought a tablet, not an ereader.
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I saw a quote linked somewhere here recently from someone from B&N and they said something about 3% of NC coming from modders. I don't know how accurate or guesstimated that number was, but we shouldn't forget that they sell millions of these devices to normal consumers and there are only thousands of us. I'd like to think they keep people like us in mind, but we certainly aren't they primary market by a long shot.
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Boomn i think you underestimate the word of mouth, and unofficial advertisement B&N get from the modder community. Every few weeks there is a story on Engadget, Liliputing or Gizmodo about how great the NC community is, and the release of the a popular Rom for the NC. Or how most of the highly rated reviews on B&N, Amazon, BB are from modder who brought the NC to use as a tablet. So while we as a community might be small, but our influences on "Normal" people's purchase decision are much higher than B&N thinks.
And if B&N think that they can piss off the dev community, while taking on Amazon, and all the other 7inch tablet maker out there, and still make the NT a commercial success, they might be in for huge disappointment. Just look at how many of the NT and KF review out there mention rooting or app side-loading as part of the official review, and how much negative PR B&N got from the 1GB storage limitation on the review sites.
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Because I live in Italy I'll receive my NT only on 26Nov. (if I will lucky), so no give back option for me
So.. I really, really hope that a hack will be found. Just the root will be enough for me
With the root we'll be able to run custom recovery, trow away what we don't need and add what is missing (settings, etc).
BTW for me realease the source and lock the bootloader is a nonsense!
First post.
I'm a full-time iOS developer with about 6 iOS devices on my desk right now. I really like iOS and love developing for it. Having said that....
I picked up a Kindle (e-ink) about a year ago and then switched to a Nook Simple Touch the day they were released. I've been watching the KF/NT release with great interest.
I eventually decided on the Nook Tablet and stumbled across this site the day I got it (the 16th). I have been blown away by the things you people have accomplished in just a couple of days and I've had a blast watching the hour-by-hour discoveries.
My main reason for getting the NT was as a reader and everything you folks are doing is icing on the cake. Very nice icing!
I'm also very optimistic that breakthroughs will continue even if the pace slows a bit. For me the KF is just too restricted in capability--even it if can be rooted.
As an aside, I also have access to a handful of Android devices including a 10.1 Galaxy Tab, and a Lenovo Ideapad K1 (it helps when the company is buying), but I prefer the Nook Tablet to either.
As long as I can keep side-loading apps I'll be happy. I certainly understand the sentiments of those not wanting to reward B&N for what appears to be a snub. At the same time as long as they continue to allow me some method to get a few more apps on the device I'm good with it.
It's been my experience that once I get a device setup--either iOS or Android--I really only end up using a handful of apps (after trying dozens)--but I want them to be very good apps that *I* get to choose.
Thank you to you all!
This thread should not exist, has nothing to do with android development and sounds more like a sales pitch than anything.
I get it you prefer the NT, me too but this thread is pointless and should be deleted...
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Boomn i think you underestimate the word of mouth, and unofficial advertisement B&N get from the modder community. Every few weeks there is a story on Engadget, Liliputing or Gizmodo about how great the NC community is, and the release of the a popular Rom for the NC. Or how most of the highly rated reviews on B&N, Amazon, BB are from modder who brought the NC to use as a tablet. So while we as a community might be small, but our influences on "Normal" people's purchase decision are much higher than B&N thinks.
And if B&N think that they can piss off the dev community, while taking on Amazon, and all the other 7inch tablet maker out there, and still make the NT a commercial success, they might be in for huge disappointment. Just look at how many of the NT and KF review out there mention rooting or app side-loading as part of the official review, and how much negative PR B&N got from the 1GB storage limitation on the review sites.
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Good point, we are certainly a vocal and influential bunch. However lots of those "normal" consumers would never check any place like Engadget for any review and have probably never heard of it. Mentions of modding/hacking/flashing in online store reviews go right over lots of people's heads too. Amazon and B&N are going to sell a ton of their tablets through physical stores like Walmart, Target, BestBuy, etc where most people still shop too. I agree that we probably do have more influence than just 3%... and now I'm not even sure where I was going with this point, lol
notinterested said:
This thread should not exist, has nothing to do with android development and sounds more like a sales pitch than anything.
I get it you prefer the NT, me too but this thread is pointless and should be deleted...
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This is the general forum for the NT not the development forum. Calm down.
Knuxr said:
This is the general forum for the NT not the development forum. Calm down.
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My mistake, was on the wrong tab.
Still though, pointless thread is pointless. We all know the better device.
notinterested said:
My mistake, was on the wrong tab.
Still though, pointless thread is pointless. We all know the better device.
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I completely agree with that, but this thread serves as a reminder why it is still better than the Fire, to those that might not know.
notinterested said:
This thread should not exist, has nothing to do with android development and sounds more like a sales pitch than anything.
I get it you prefer the NT, me too but this thread is pointless and should be deleted...
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...Excuse me?
Forgive me for not appreciating your "experience" on XDA since, omg, feb 2010, but this is a General NT forum, and this thread is very much important to people who are right now at a tipping point between NT and KF, considering the latest root news for both devices.
So drink some coolaid and move along, kid.
I'm trying to decide between a kindle fire or a nook tablet. To be honest, the biggest selling point for me is, which will be more like a regular android tablet once rooted and flashed with a new rom eventually. I'm as interested in performance as functionality. I would primarily use it for light gaming, movie watching movies & Netflix, and Playing with apps and live wallpaper lol. Sorry, I'm relatively new to Android but i used to be big in windows mobile and flashing a different Rom every other day. I'm really looking for some personal opinions on this. Thanks a lot guys.
Nook vs Kindle
I have bought nook . Because it has more ram and more storage and the screen is a bit better. But other than that look that they are the same with kindle. Even though looks like kindle will be a bit more famous so that means that it will little more kindle software support and development.
Nook color the father of nook table . A cyanogenmod was released and also Honeycomb so im expecting Ics to come in Nook Tablet and that's enough for my opinion.
Buy a Nook Tablet based on what it can do for you today - not what it might do for you someday.
If you are a daily Rom flasher you might want to hold off. There is no way to do that today on the Nook Tablet - and the Fire is inadequate hardware.
I'm having a good time with my NT, especially since I rooted it. I use it a LOT more than the Dell Streak 7 I just sold. You still can't install custom roms so if that's a biggie, it's probably a deal killer, but I like to tinker with my toys and I'm having fun playing around with all of the launcher options and other tweaks that are available that for the time being, so the lack of roms isn't a big deal. I find it great for light gaming, Netflix and most importantly, I find the SD card extremely useful since I can easily transfer media from one tablet to another.
Honestly I'm concerned about the nook's bootloader being locked down and from what I've seen, the hardware is near identical to the kindle, but the kindle only has 512 megs of memory, however, the nook does have the sd card slot
The fire will be more popular, but the nook tablet is the better 7" tablet stock. Even with only root the nook tablet can do everything the fire can do, just a bit better. You can install amazon market,do amazon video etc....just like the fire,plus it has the sd slot
If you decide to go with the Fire - Enjoy the 6GB's of limited space you will be using, not to even mention the 512MB of ram.
If you decide to go with the nook - Enjoy the 16GB's onboard memory, 1GB of ram, mic and SD slot that adds up to another 32GB's.
Also, watch this video to see what happens when the Fire is dropped on concrete : Goggle Drop Test: Nook Tablet Vs Kindle Fire (Giveaway) : I cannot post links for another 8 posts
The Fire is coated with something that makes the glass very bendable ( or so I've read ) thus making any type of drop on the Fire's screen crack the entire screen rather than part of it - enjoy
Best tablet for OP
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I used the Kindle Fire and The Nook Tablet side by side for a week. I ended up keeping the Tablet and returning the Fire. But then, I wasn't looking for a color e-reader to be "all things tablet." The nook does all things smoother and has better hardware than the Fire. On the other hand, the Fire is considered "Cooler" than the Nook and has "Amazon" in it's gene pool. The Nook Tablet is locked down tight and there's a good chance you can never do all the uber-cool things you want to do making it into a tablet. From your original post, I'd say get the Fire for your needs as it is open to mods moreso than the Nook Tab. It would be a shame if, after a month or so you were endlessly on the various sites complaining about how the Nook Tablet you own has a locked down bootloader and you can't hack it to your heart's content and make a silk purse out of it. At least with the Fire, you can take it in any direction you want and have no excuses for not making it the tablet you desire.
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Is there an app that I can download to get that homepage on my Nook?
The Fire may be (at this point) the more moddable, hackable tablet, but why even bother if you can't enjoy smooth video playback? From what I've heard, the stock (rooted, sideloaded) Nook plays Amazon Prime video better than the Fire. The 512MB RAM really killed it for me.
Now with Ice Cream Sandwich.
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The Fire may be (at this point) the more moddable, hackable tablet, but why even bother if you can't enjoy smooth video playback? From what I've heard, the stock (rooted, sideloaded) Nook plays Amazon Prime video better than the Fire. The 512MB RAM really killed it for me.
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Yeah, same for me. I tested both devices for a while as well, and tested them against full android 7inch tablets, a few 10inchers, the color, old eInk ones etc. It actually did make a significant different, the memory and slightly faster processor. The microsd slot is really what killed it for me though against the KF specifically.
If you're approaching either device looking for an android tablet to do all things, then both will fail imo. If you're looking for a book/video/comics/browser/note taking device, with lots of expansion space, this is a great device (and for hundreds cheaper than OK 7inchers). The screen is REALLY nice for comics; this is where I noticed vibrant/color differences, and legibility (that is likely stock software comparisons).
Other things I noticed that were better (sometimes a bit better, sometimes a lot better) than the KF, HTC Flyer, Iconia, other 7inchers, etc:
- screen was more response; sometimes too response. This makes it tolerate screen protectors better (sidenote). This was a big factor in "should I get an HTC flyer?" for me, and the response level was surprising.
- screen was a bit more vibrant than the KF; different warmth levels I think? The KF shipped with screens that REALLY varied though.
- the NT grips better in my hands and I actually use the little loop quite often to stabilize it in my hand
- volume buttons. I use them a lot, and more than expected. I've definitely had websites try and blow out my ears with their default audio when I've had earphones on. speaking of audio, the NT only has one speaker so earphones are highly recommended. Probably the biggest minus for the device.
I too watched the KF vs NT dropped onto concrete video and was pretty horrified/amused. The protective frame really seems useful on the NT and it seems sturdier. I DO prefer the darker frame of the Nook Color though. I have already tested it on carpet from 5 feet or so, accidentally :/
Mines slipped off the bed a few times but did not get hurt considering its only 3 feet or so. Done the same with my phone to many times to count and that survives just fine as well. The screen is starting to get greasy tho so I need to find a way of protecting that. Mom should be getting me a cover or something this xmas considering its around the corner now. I was wondering about the screen on the fire compared to the one on the nook considering I have herd the nook has the better screen and have seen pics where the fire just sucks becuase its to washed out and to blue which means its to cool.
Nook tablet should be the far superior tablet if you want to turn it into an android tablet.
I can't understand why anyone on this forum would choose a fire over a nook tablet. The ram, the sd card slot, double the built-in storage. The nook's screen is also better--it's brighter, has better contrast, and more lively colors.
The fire also has no volume buttons, which was idiotic. Having a full home button is also pretty important, which the nook has.
The fire will clearly be upgraded in probably 6 months or less. It's a first generation product that is missing so many things. I also echo everyone else who has used the fire--it is laggy in every possible way. The lagginess of the fire is very apparent, and the web browser of the nook tablet is much smoother. I have no idea why the fire sells so well--if the masses knew how easy it is to root a nook and then install the amazon marketplace. The only thing that the fire has for it is that it's smaller footprint. The nook seems too big for a 7" tablet, but it is tapered and more pleasant to hold than the fire.
Best thing to do is to head to Best Buy. There you can try them out side by side.
You can always get them both from Best Buy and return the one you don't want. That's what I did and they are totally fine with it.
I ended up going with the KF but the NT has plenty of points in its favor as well.
Personally I didn't find the NT to have hugely better performance, despite having double the RAM. This was the one thing I was most concerned about but it really hasn't made a difference for me.
The NT has better ergonomics. It feels lighter (though looking at their specs it's only 13 g lighter than the KF). Probably a function of being larger and thicker so it's a lot less dense. The screen bezel almost feels padded, which is nice. The other advantages are better battery life, the microSD card slot, and physical buttons.
Disadvantages vs. the KF are price, stock software experience, buggy interface at times (there are some places where you get unreadable white-on-white or black-on-black text), and of course the locked bootloader.
I think the biggest deal for most people is the microSD slot. If you want to take a lot of media with you, the NT is the only way to go. If you don't care about that, then the KF is worth considering if only for the lower price. The other thing is I would recommend the KF over the NT for family members who would probably use it stock. The pure stock experience is awful on the NT and merely okay on the KF. Obviously they both benefit a lot from at least sideloading an alternate launcher, but the NT is practically unusable as anything but an e-reader without doing so.
Hey all. Sorry to bump this semi-dead thread, but I was wondering if I could get an update from you all..
I recently bought a Kindle Fire and have been pretty satisfied with it. I never really took the 512MB of ram into consideration until lately. I've had my fire now for about a month. I rooted it and am currently running CM7 on it with the processor overclocked to 1.2 ghz.
I was playing "scramble with friends" the other day and it did seem a bit laggy.. nothing extreme though, but I'm used to the smoothness. I haven't really played many games on it either to really see how the 512mb ram handles it.
I was wondering for clarification: Is the Nook Tablet's bootloader still unlockable? As in, can't install any customized roms on it?
Is it worth selling this KF to get a NT? I use my tablet for ereading about 5% of the time. 95% of the time I use it for social uses (web browsing, facebook, twitter, etc).
The only negatives I've noticed on my KF are the lack of volume buttons. I installed a widget that lays over the screen to adjust the volume, but I would rather have physical buttons. On the other hand, I don't mind NOT having a home button. I haven't been disadvantaged at all by not having one, so that really doesn't matter to me.
What do you guys think?
I can't comment on the KF due to never having used one. I did however just get done installing CM7 on a friend's NC (somewhat similar to the KF except processor) with it clocked to 1.2 Ghz and I own the NT running CM7 Alpha final and there is a very noticeable difference. The apps took longer to load vs NT. They didn't run as smooth on the NC vs the NT. There was not much available RAM left after loading the basics whereas the NT having 1 Gb of ram there was plenty left after running basics. Also, the main killer for me, and at first I was going to get the KF and now glad I didn't, is the sd card slot. I have kids and it is really nice to have that 32 Gb card to put all the movies I want on it. Plus I have repartitioned my internal to give myself 10 more GB of personal storage space. I do like the KF gorilla glass, that is pretty nice. I think though in the end it is all about personal preference. The KF and NT are both good devices in there own right and price point. The NT is still not completly on par with the straight android tablets in some features, but it is adequate for everything that I want to do. You may want to wait though if they do release the Asus memo370?? 7" tablet. The rumors are going both ways at the moment, but if they do release it at a $249.99 price point it appears it would a very good buy. Just my 2 cents.
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I can't comment on the KF due to never having used one. I did however just get done installing CM7 on a friend's NC (somewhat similar to the KF except processor) with it clocked to 1.2 Ghz and I own the NT running CM7 Alpha final and there is a very noticeable difference. The apps took longer to load vs NT. They didn't run as smooth on the NC vs the NT. There was not much available RAM left after loading the basics whereas the NT having 1 Gb of ram there was plenty left after running basics. Also, the main killer for me, and at first I was going to get the KF and now glad I didn't, is the sd card slot. I have kids and it is really nice to have that 32 Gb card to put all the movies I want on it. Plus I have repartitioned my internal to give myself 10 more GB of personal storage space. I do like the KF gorilla glass, that is pretty nice. I think though in the end it is all about personal preference. The KF and NT are both good devices in there own right and price point. The NT is still not completly on par with the straight android tablets in some features, but it is adequate for everything that I want to do. You may want to wait though if they do release the Asus memo370?? 7" tablet. The rumors are going both ways at the moment, but if they do release it at a $249.99 price point it appears it would a very good buy. Just my 2 cents.
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Thanks for replying. From my understanding, though, is that the Nook Color and the Kindle Fire both have 512MB ram.... but the KF has dual-core processor, as the NC isn't. I suppose this helps the KF with the overall smoothness.
is the bootloader still unlockable...yes...and no. the bootloader is still locked however, you can SKIP IT ENTIRELY on bootup. currently the NT has 2 different basic roms avail in either alpha or beta form
android 4.0(cm9)- alpha- status update the team is plugging away getting the 3.0 kernel ported (updating from the 2.6.7? kernel) before releasing another rom- all they have to do now is sound- and tweak hw video acceleration i think. i am not sure if this version works on the 8gig NT yet
android 2.3.7?(cm7) early beta/late alpha form- 2 identical versions- one installed internally, one installed via microsd card- both work very well for where they are at.-both also work for BOTH versions of the NT
so if i was to choose between the fire and NT- i'd get the NT(16gig).
jask0 said:
Hey all. Sorry to bump this semi-dead thread, but I was wondering if I could get an update from you all..
I recently bought a Kindle Fire and have been pretty satisfied with it. I never really took the 512MB of ram into consideration until lately. I've had my fire now for about a month. I rooted it and am currently running CM7 on it with the processor overclocked to 1.2 ghz.
I was playing "scramble with friends" the other day and it did seem a bit laggy.. nothing extreme though, but I'm used to the smoothness. I haven't really played many games on it either to really see how the 512mb ram handles it.
I was wondering for clarification: Is the Nook Tablet's bootloader still unlockable? As in, can't install any customized roms on it?
Is it worth selling this KF to get a NT? I use my tablet for ereading about 5% of the time. 95% of the time I use it for social uses (web browsing, facebook, twitter, etc).
The only negatives I've noticed on my KF are the lack of volume buttons. I installed a widget that lays over the screen to adjust the volume, but I would rather have physical buttons. On the other hand, I don't mind NOT having a home button. I haven't been disadvantaged at all by not having one, so that really doesn't matter to me.
What do you guys think?
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jask0 said:
Thanks for replying. From my understanding, though, is that the Nook Color and the Kindle Fire both have 512MB ram.... but the KF has dual-core processor, as the NC isn't. I suppose this helps the KF with the overall smoothness.
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Yes the KF is smooth from what I have seen. I would say that the dc processor is helping, but the 1 Gb of ram in the NT helps the most I would think. Like I stated though, they are both good devices with pros and cons with each. For me after everything the better hardware and the expandable memory is the most important and that is why I chose the NT.
Guys there a deal for today at ebay.com for Nook Tablet from B&N that gives it for only 199$
yep.. couldnt refuse at that price point.. they got rid of the coupon.. so just $199 outright.. so saves on taxes if your state requires collecting it.. debated.. but i just cant say no to a deal like that.. loved the original NC.. was a solid piece of kit.. so i know i'll love the tablet..
I would get it as well but I live outside USA so.... :/
I jumped on this too. I've been following various websites for a better price and this is by far the best I've found (without having to do any pricematch/coupon shenanegans).
And the offer runs to Feb 23, apparently. Hope this establishes the new price point !
B&N had to cut prices, Asus memo will be out very soon. And at $250 for a quad-core, with camera, GPS, and BlueTooth, it will eclipse the Nook Tablet and all bargain tablets.
Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't call this a "bargain". NT cannot recognize more than 2 points on the screen at any time, the wifi is buggy at best, the internal memory is almost not accessible. All in all, it's a good ereader. And that's it. The Kindle Fire is a far superior device. My only grip with the KF is that its memory is limited to 8 gigs and no microSD extension possible.
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Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't call this a "bargain". NT cannot recognize more than 2 points on the screen at any time, the wifi is buggy at best, the internal memory is almost not accessible. All in all, it's a good ereader. And that's it.
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Thanks, talked me out of it in the nick of time!
moukazwina said:
B&N had to cut prices, Asus memo will be out very soon. And at $250 for a quad-core, with camera, GPS, and BlueTooth, it will eclipse the Nook Tablet and all bargain tablets.
Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't call this a "bargain". NT cannot recognize more than 2 points on the screen at any time, the wifi is buggy at best, the internal memory is almost not accessible. All in all, it's a good ereader. And that's it. The Kindle Fire is a far superior device. My only grip with the KF is that its memory is limited to 8 gigs and no microSD extension possible.
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damnnn uhh now I don't want the nook tablet anymore
edit: there doesn't seem to be much development for Asus tabs?? ? why is there no cm9 alpha or anything I know these usually have honeycomb stock...
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Well I for one am still very happy with mine. The wifi bug isn't that bad, and I have confidence the devs will get it under control. I have no problem accessing ask the space I need, and the battery life is incredible.
Having great dev support is not something to take lightly. The guys working on the NT are doing a great job. My Samsung Fascinate didn't have a usable CM7 until it had been out for almost a year. I wouldn't put it past them to get better multi-touch support for this device as well.
All in all, it's a great device, and the great dev support makes it even better.
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B&N had to cut prices, Asus memo will be out very soon. And at $250 for a quad-core, with camera, GPS, and BlueTooth, it will eclipse the Nook Tablet and all bargain tablets.
Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't call this a "bargain". NT cannot recognize more than 2 points on the screen at any time, the wifi is buggy at best, the internal memory is almost not accessible. All in all, it's a good ereader. And that's it. The Kindle Fire is a far superior device. My only grip with the KF is that its memory is limited to 8 gigs and no microSD extension possible.
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I thought the Kindle Fire only recognized 2 points on the touch screen as well. At least thats what many review for the game Nova (kindle fire edition) on the Amazon app store say. http://www.amazon.com/Near-Orbit-Va...1?s=mobile-apps&ie=UTF8&qid=1329581136&sr=1-1
Hi couple of questions before i decide to take the plunge
1)Have the devs found out how to use the 12GB space that BN owns
2)How easy is this to root?
thanks!
I ordered it two days ago, can't wait to get it in the mail now.
The B&N - not a good deal at $250?
Oh, come on. There's always something "new" in the horizon - better, faster and cheaper (ie, the Quad Core Asus). And if you wait long enough for the Asus, something *even* better will be "just around the corner".
The B&N is, for me, an*incredible* deal. I own a Galaxy SII, a Motorola Atrix (heavily modded) and I got an iPad 2 at the office. I can't believe how much I got when I bought my Nook for $250. I'd definitely do it again. It's *not* only a good eReader - it's a tremendous game machine (I haven't yet found a single game with any sort of lag), a great browser, a perfect multimedia device... the list goes on and on. IMHO, I'd rather have the Nook than my iPad, it's far, far more useful right now (rooted, with GoLaunch EX and minor tweaks). CM7 will only make things better.
Its problems are trivial. No true multitouch? Why would it be a dealbreaker? Wi-Fi bug? I've seen it every once in a while - my HP laptop is far, far worse. What else is there? Nothing. Again, to me, it delivers far more than I ever expected out of it.
I've seen cheaper tablets around - some chinese junk running at 1.5 GHz (LOL). They look cheap and have no warranties whatsoever. For me, the NT and the KF are what tablets are all about, and I'd rather own either one of them than wait for something that may or may not come out soon (the Asus Quad Core).
fjhuerta said:
The B&N - not a good deal at $250?
Oh, come on. There's always something "new" in the horizon - better, faster and cheaper (ie, the Quad Core Asus). And if you wait long enough for the Asus, something *even* better will be "just around the corner".
The B&N is, for me, an*incredible* deal. I own a Galaxy SII, a Motorola Atrix (heavily modded) and I got an iPad 2 at the office. I can't believe how much I got when I bought my Nook for $250. I'd definitely do it again. It's *not* only a good eReader - it's a tremendous game machine (I haven't yet found a single game with any sort of lag), a great browser, a perfect multimedia device... the list goes on and on. IMHO, I'd rather have the Nook than my iPad, it's far, far more useful right now (rooted, with GoLaunch EX and minor tweaks). CM7 will only make things better.
Its problems are trivial. No true multitouch? Why would it be a dealbreaker? Wi-Fi bug? I've seen it every once in a while - my HP laptop is far, far worse. What else is there? Nothing. Again, to me, it delivers far more than I ever expected out of it.
I've seen cheaper tablets around - some chinese junk running at 1.5 GHz (LOL). They look cheap and have no warranties whatsoever. For me, the NT and the KF are what tablets are all about, and I'd rather own either one of them than wait for something that may or may not come out soon (the Asus Quad Core).
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Well said i think exactly as you do and not because the a new tablet with more specifications with same or better price is round the corner means the quality will be good and the development for it will be fast, so far with the nook tablet devs have done an amazing job far before than what i ever expected. There is always people that do not appreciate the work that is being done and on top of that they ask for more, unfortunately XDA has got many of those, its a shame.
I think the nook tablet is an investment and i feel very happy with it, i will for sure enjoy it for a while and once another good deal like the NT comes out with decent hardware (not Chinese junk as @fjhuerta say) and green lights for development maybe then i would think in upgrade.
~ Veronica
openallnight said:
Hi couple of questions before i decide to take the plunge
1)Have the devs found out how to use the 12GB space that BN owns
2)How easy is this to root?
thanks!
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1) yes
2) very easy...check put the development forum and you'll see the one click root. In a few days CM7 will be released in greater fashion than previously. In a month or so the nook tablet and its downfalls will be completely absent. The devs have been incredible with this device and it's only getting better and better. I purchased mine on release day and my love for it grows by the day. I've owned the kindle fire as well...but I did return it because it lacked the ram power of the nook tablet, and I could certainly tell(yes I was rooted on it as well).
Trust your gut. In the long run, I think if you choose the nook tablet, you'll be extremely happy.
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Got my tablet for $150 on craigslist WITH a 16gb SD card and a case included! *steal*
Bought my girl the NC off eBay for $150. Not bad I guess.
NT rooted with CM7
NC rooted with ICS CM9
I think I like the NC better now lol. Will the NT ever see ICS?
alaw said:
Got my tablet for $150 on craigslist WITH a 16gb SD card and a case included! *steal*
Bought my girl the NC off eBay for $150. Not bad I guess.
NT rooted with CM7
NC rooted with ICS CM9
I think I like the NC better now lol. Will the NT ever see ICS?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1440438
Got mine too
though as ever as soon as I buy something they announce the next version
I wonder if this deal involves the new model of NT with only 8G of internal memory (instead of 16G)? This model can also be purchased from the BN website:
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/p/nook-tablet-barnes-noble/1104687969?ean=9781400501779
take note of the 512mb ram as well so not only is the 8 gig model less storage space...but also down to 512mb system ram. I was hoping they'd keep the 1 gig ram but just lower the 'hdd' shame not :/
The only discernible difference is 8G of storage memory instead of 16G. The price is meant to match the Kindle Fire, obviously.
Here's a product link:
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/p/nook-tablet-barnes-noble/1104687969?ean=9781400501779
Note: I do not have one nor have I seen one of these -- just the page on the website.
Ram is also halved its now down to 512mb
Spec wise, it's pretty much the same as a Kindle Fire, but with microSD card support. Makes for a more interesting market out there for low cost tablets.
I guess the NT with 16GB are now an "NT Classic" model.
Perdiction: Barnes and Noble will be out of business within 2 years.
The Nook Tablet is far superior to Kindle Fire. But instead of B&N updating the NT so it can show off all it's bells and whistle, i.e., a true tablet for $249, these fools figured if we can't beat them, join them. Idiots.
I will sit back and watch B&N go down in flames and laugh my happy ass off.
Internal Storage
Also of note:
- NOOK Tablet–8GB: 5GB for content; of which 1GB is reserved for NOOK Store content
- NOOK Tablet–16GB:13GB for content; of which 12GB is reserved for NOOK Store content
Looks like they are giving more internal to the user by default in the 8gb unit.
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I guess the NT with 16GB are now an "NT Classic" model.
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I'd say this is more in line with how Apple rolled out the iPod nano - weaker specs, lower price.
I think it's actually pretty brilliant with what they're doing here. Tiered price models have been very successful in the past and B&N are competing wth the Kindle Fire on a more even playing field now. Everyone was obsessing over the price of the Fire; now there's a Nook to match it competitively.
That being said, I think the Fire's still gonna stay on top of the cheap tablet market. The average user is usually stuck with stock firnware and the content Amazon's got in that case is miles ahead of B&N.
dkb218 said:
Perdiction: Barnes and Noble will be out of business within 2 years.
The Nook Tablet is far superior to Kindle Fire. But instead of B&N updating the NT so it can show off all it's bells and whistle, i.e., a true tablet for $249, these fools figured if we can't beat them, join them. Idiots.
I will sit back and watch B&N go down in flames and laugh my happy ass off.
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You mad bro?
Mike_IronFist said:
I'd say this is more in line with how Apple rolled out the iPod nano - weaker specs, lower price.
I think it's actually pretty brilliant with what they're doing here. Tiered price models have been very successful in the past and B&N are competing wth the Kindle Fire on a more even playing field now. Everyone was obsessing over the price of the Fire; now there's a Nook to match it competitively.
That being said, I think the Fire's still gonna stay on top of the cheap tablet market. The average user is usually stuck with stock firnware and the content Amazon's got in that case is miles ahead of B&N.
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I second that. Amazon apps are far more numerous and far more competitively priced than anything B&N has done so far. And the Kindle Fire is simply far easier to tinker with than the Nook Tablet.
B&N are trying to catch up with Amazon, but they started out a little late. Kindle Fire has now a solid reputation, and there is nothing B&N can do to reverse that.
I went for the NT because on paper it seemed like a good choice: 16 GB of storage and microSD. But I found out that I could only use 1 GB of that storage. So I ended up buying an 8 GB miscroSD card.
If I had to do it all over again, I probably would go with a Kindle Fire.
Now with the CM7, and hopefully CM9 soon enough, I have a decent cheap 7" tablet.
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You mad bro?
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Mad? No. Just stating the facts. Barnes and Noble is a failed company and it doesn't have to be.
Instead of freeing up the Nook Tablet, these fools make a Nook Kindle Fire. Have these idiots no understanding of why the KF is out selling them? No, they don't.
So you half the memory and lower the price $50. Did they think the reason they weren't selling like the KF was the price? It's not the price. It's the BN software they locked the device down with.
The average buyer has no idea what root is nor should they. What they know is they can't do the things on the NT that can be done on a KF. They know that free apps on the KF cost $3.99 on the NT. They don't care that the NT is a much better product spec wise. They know that when they purchased a product called a Nook "Tablet", they weren't expecting a Nook "Reader".
Mad? No. Pissed at myself for buying and then not returning this locked down POS - yes.
Looks to me like more great hardware at a reasonable price. The average user may prefer the total package that comes with the Fire (hardware and apps) or even the iPad. But, with the resources available here to root the Nook Tablets and load CM7 or CM9, these are great tablets.
dkb218 said:
Perdiction: Barnes and Noble will be out of business within 2 years.
The Nook Tablet is far superior to Kindle Fire. But instead of B&N updating the NT so it can show off all it's bells and whistle, i.e., a true tablet for $249, these fools figured if we can't beat them, join them. Idiots.
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I bet their decisions are based on Sixsigma/Lean LOL
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My opinion is that the 16GB nook tab is much better than KF and the 8GB nook tab, as we have
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For me the ram is the most important
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Mad? No. Just stating the facts. Barnes and Noble is a failed company and it doesn't have to be.
Instead of freeing up the Nook Tablet, these fools make a Nook Kindle Fire. Have these idiots no understanding of why the KF is out selling them? No, they don't.
So you half the memory and lower the price $50. Did they think the reason they weren't selling like the KF was the price? It's not the price. It's the BN software they locked the device down with.
The average buyer has no idea what root is nor should they. What they know is they can't do the things on the NT that can be done on a KF. They know that free apps on the KF cost $3.99 on the NT. They don't care that the NT is a much better product spec wise. They know that when they purchased a product called a Nook "Tablet", they weren't expecting a Nook "Reader".
Mad? No. Pissed at myself for buying and then not returning this locked down POS - yes.
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That's definitely not the case. Do you really think the main driver for sales of the Fire was whether or not it's an open platform?
The majority of consumers are not like us. They don't care about custom ROMs, rooting, or modding. Most of them just buy devices and use them. Amazon is a bigger and more tech-savvy company with better marketing muscle. They also have a leg-up in the e-reader market since they broke it into the mainstream with the original Kindle. That means they get better exposure and better brand name recognition by default when compared to B&N, regardless of what products are competing. They also have WAY more digital content to offer than B&N, especially on the Fire, which had the lower price tag initially and was announced way earlier than the Nook Tablet. Being first is a powerful thing.
I agree that the Nook Tablet being locked down sucks, but it's not going to end B&N. Amazon will stay dominant but device markets usually have room for second-placers and runners-up. B&N is still a very important figure in the book business too, digital or not.
The problem as I see it with Barnes and Noble is with their fragmentation of their apps into yet another app store. They are doing the 70/30 pay structure similar to Apple. What they should be doing is have curated or "Nook Recommends" store that is compatible with Android.
The current selection of apps is not going to do it. They don't have FB, Twitter, top game developers on board. That and having apps that cost money when the same apps are on iOS or Android for free (no free version of words with friends).
They have all this power but no app ecosystem.
It's like having a V6 engine in a Power Wheels, and limiting the top speed to 5 mph.
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My opinion is that the 16GB nook tab is much better than KF and the 8GB nook tab, as we have
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For me the ram is the most important
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I agree. The loss of storage space is small potatoes when you have the sd slot. The loss of ram is a blow, especially if you're buying hardware for the long run.
Kindle fire also has advertising, unlike the nook tablet. Magazines, web- Amazon andi have seen on TV as well. nook tablet has had none of this. That said the nook tablet is better.
I bought my NT when they first came out. I couldn't wait to get it and was major league disappointed. In fact, the only thing that kept me from returning it was seeing some posts in these very forums talking about CM7 and CM9 coming.
Now I have CM7 up and running, thanks to Team-B, and I finally feel like I have a tablet worth owning.
That is the biggest issue in my mind with B&N and even with the KF. These tablets are so much less than they could be. I understand the need for the device makers to earn some money on these through book, magazine, movie, and app sales. However, they have crippled it so much and with the interface built for the over 70 crowd, this will just not keep anybody who has a smartphone happy for more than a couple of hours.
I still buy my books through B&N. They have wonderful ereader software that I use every day. They just don't have to shackle me to keep me as a customer.
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Pissed at myself for buying and then not returning this locked down POS - yes.
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Wait. This was posted today? :what:
Please define "locked down". My NT hasn't seemed very locked for the past 2 months... And even less locked the past 2 weeks.
Back on topic, no thanks, you can keep the KF and the 8GB NT. I prefer an sd card slot, and 16GB internal storage, and the GB of ram, and the ergonomics of the device.
IOW, NT (classic, lol) + CM7 (thanks again, guys) = happy camper
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8e0OLWQYc4 let the freak out begin LOL ;P
I've been watching some reviews on this tablet and the ore reviews I watch, the more I like it. How are you guys using your's and how do you like it? from what I see, there is barely any development happening for this tablet, yet the hardware is phenomenal. I'm thinking about he 64GB 8.9 in form factor, however, the draw back is not having google services installed. Do you guys miss the google services? any infor would help tremendously and those who are just watching and reading.
I have the 7 inch 64 gb version and so far I dont really miss google store as I can side load most everything. I do admit though it is a little bit of a hassle. I just install the app on my android phone then use es explorer to backup the app upload to box.com then download and install on the fire. Blue haze issue is not bad for me and I think the colors and viewing angles are great. The performance is awesome games, movies, and apps run buttery smooth. I installed nova launcher as I hate the kindle interface. I have been trying various ways to root, but so far have been unsuccessful. I would recommend this tablet to anyone looking for a budget tablet 64gb was $309 and the case I got was insanely cheap like $5 with shipping. Hope this review helps others. Also for blue haze with reading I switched to a black background with white text which solves the blue haze issue for me don't really notice the blue unless the background is all white. Hope this review helps.
I'm still on the fence between this and the nexus 7.
Reviews like that help immensely.
If this device finally gets rooted I think my mind will be made up...
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I'm not sure if this promotion was for prime users or a sample of amazon customers, but I received an offer to try the kindle fire hdx for free for 30 days. I clicked the link, added the 7 inch model, and purchased for free. If I decide to keep it for 30 days, then my card will be charged. Anyone else take advantage of this offer.