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If you are interested in the finger print scanner for the galaxy s5, but at the same time you are also interested in protecting your $650 investment, you may run into problems.
3rd party cases such as otterbox or body glove impede the motion of whatever finger you use to unlock your device. The reason being that all of the cases have a ridge the causes your finger to move up premature to the scanner recognizing your finger print. Although it will work in some cases, it is not nearly as efficient as if you were using no case at all. I have already contacted a samsung representative as well as otterbox to see what is going to be done about this seemingly noticeable flaw.
So bottom line, if you are going to buy a 3rd party full protection case for your galaxy s5, take note that the finger print scanner will produce unsatisfactory results.Let me know if you guys have found a case that takes into consideration the fingerprint scanner, or what ways you have remedied this problem.
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If you are interested in the finger print scanner for the galaxy s5, but at the same time you are also interested in protecting your $650 investment, you may run into problems.
3rd party cases such as otterbox or body glove impede the motion of whatever finger you use to unlock your device. The reason being that all of the cases have a ridge the causes your finger to move up premature to the scanner recognizing your finger print. Although it will work in some cases, it is not nearly as efficient as if you were using no case at all. I have already contacted a samsung representative as well as otterbox to see what is going to be done about this seemingly noticeable flaw.
So bottom line, if you are going to buy a 3rd party full protection case for your galaxy s5, take note that the finger print scanner will produce unsatisfactory results.Let me know if you guys have found a case that takes into consideration the fingerprint scanner, or what ways you have remedied this problem.
Please thank if this post helped you, or informed you.
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Probably most cases that aren't military grade, should be fine.
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daxecutioner24 said:
Probably most cases that aren't military grade, should be fine.
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Even basic cases have a ridge to them, such as bumpers.
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Even basic cases have a ridge to them, such as bumpers.
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I haven't had issues with any of the cases I bought. Slim or not. Besides fingerprint is halfway broken
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Not sure if this is too off topic, but the fingerprint scanner in general seems to be more a gimmick and not terribly refined. The setup always goes super smooth, then it's almost like I grow prosthetic fingertips and I can no longer get into my phone using what's recorded. I've defaulted to a pattern just cause I can do that easier/faster.
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Not sure if this is too off topic, but the fingerprint scanner in general seems to be more a gimmick and not terribly refined. The setup always goes super smooth, then it's almost like I grow prosthetic fingertips and I can no longer get into my phone using what's recorded. I've defaulted to a pattern just cause I can do that easier/faster.
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That is a valid point. I do not think that Samsung should have put a fingerprint scanner just yet, they should have made improvements and implemented it in a later device. I believe they did rushed to put it in just because they did not want to let apple beat them in a category... But since they did, we have to make use the best we can with it. I try to use it, but it just becomes annoying when you find yourself swiping 3 or 4 times just to unlock your phone. I will probably resort to a pattern unlock as well.
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I do not think that Samsung should have put a fingerprint scanner just yet, they should have made improvements and implemented it in a later device.
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This doesn't make sense! That's like saying they shouldn't have made a galaxy and just went straight to galaxy s2. I agree it should have been refined and thought out better but even if they had skipped it on the s5 and put it on note 4, or s6 and it still is designed like it is now, people would complain. I rather have it now working like it does than not have the feature at all. Think about it! It works, just not so well one-handed, but Samsung does not state it to be a one-handed feature. It works nearly 100% when I use it as the animation and Samsung designed it to.
I wish they had made it an actual touch and hold though,not swipe. (Apple lawsuit)
Ideas:
They could have made the home button take up the whole space from screen to bottom of phone and still kept it rectangular, and made it more flush without increasing the bezel size, for hold to scan.
Put it in the back or recent button instead, just as they are now, just long press to scan.
Samsung owes me for this one here!!! A solar panel back with finger print scanner/heart rate monitor all in one. Charge by light in day, plug in at night!
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This doesn't make sense! That's like saying they shouldn't have made a galaxy and just went straight to galaxy s2. I agree it should have been refined and thought out better but even if they had skipped it on the s5 and put it on note 4, or s6 and it still is designed like it is now, people would complain. I rather have it now working like it does than not have the feature at all. Think about it! It works, just not so well one-handed, but Samsung does not state it to be a one-handed feature. It works nearly 100% when I use it as the animation and Samsung designed it to.
I wish they had made it an actual touch and hold though,not swipe. (Apple lawsuit)
Ideas:
They could have made the home button take up the whole space from screen to bottom of phone and still kept it rectangular, and made it more flush without increasing the bezel size, for hold to scan.
Put it in the back or recent button instead, just as they are now, just long press to scan.
Samsung owes me for this one here!!! A solar panel back with finger print scanner/heart rate monitor all in one. Charge by light in day, plug in at night!
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How are you comparing a feature not being included to a whole phone not being released? Terrible analogy. It does make sense. Seems to me Samsung wanted to be the "me too" in the scanner realm, just like with the S Voice. Both inferior to Apple. They should have waited, if it's this broken and yes it is broken. Works about half the time.
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How are you comparing a feature not being included to a whole phone not being released? Terrible analogy.
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If you look, you will see that I had thanked his post as I agreed with some of his feelings, as was written in my post. I quoted what I didn't agree with, and explained my thoughts on it.
I didn't know this was a paper in ENG/LIT class; You are the teacher? Shall I point out the issues with your punctuations, sentence structure, etc...? Their is no written law of what one can use as an "analogy". The point I was trying to make was obviously received by you. Analogy Def. = "a comparison between two things, typically on the basis of their structure and for the purpose of explanation or clarification".
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It does make sense. Seems to me Samsung wanted to be the "me too" in the scanner realm, just like with the S Voice. Both inferior to Apple. They should have waited, if it's this broken and yes it is broken. Works about half the time.
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Again this is a very subjective comment. If it works "half the time" for you how/when is it "broken". So if you cant get it to work consistently others should not have the use of the feature at all? To be fair; I tried using it for unlocking the device one-handed and I gave up on it like the OP did because I was more consistent and faster using the pin to unlock. This doesn't mean its "broken" or should have been abandoned. Should we not use the heart rate monitor because it requires you to be still in order to work? They added waterproofing is it perfect? My sole point is that I commend Samsung and ALL manufactures for adding any, and all that they can, as long as it can be turned off and is not forced upon us to use. This is how progress happens.
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Did anyone else notice that the nexus 6p has force touch in the Google apps?
If I press harder on the screen in the Google photos app(and other galleries) in the Google pdf app and some other Google apps the screen will zoom in/out according to the pressure applied.
It is not hardware pressure detection but software one(using touch size)
How comes no one ever mentioned it?
This "feature" is not there on the nexus 5.
No it doesn't.
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Did anyone else notice that the nexus 6p has force touch in the Google apps?
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It really doesn't...
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Did anyone else notice that the nexus 6p has force touch in the Google apps?
If I press harder on the screen in the Google photos app(and other galleries) in the Google pdf app and some other Google apps the screen will zoom in/out according to the pressure applied.
It is not hardware pressure detection but software one(using touch size)
How comes no one ever mentioned it?
This "feature" is not there on the nexus 5.
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you sure? i try press very hard and now my screen cracked...and it doesnt zoom in at all! :crying:
Is this a joke?
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You sure you didn't reach for your 6p and end up picking up a 6s? The 6p really doesn't have force touch....
I think he ended up doing the double tap slide zoom.
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Your phone is detecting two inputs and zooming in.
Your laying your finger across the screen and pushing down. This increases the surface area and the phone thinks your pinching/spreading two fingers to zoom.
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i tried it, it does zoom as you can see in my video it only shows one touch point what i did was use the joint of my thumb and then press the rest of my thumb down making the surface bigger here is video showing it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jfXWidKp0Y
Still a matter of surface area and not force touch. Because the surface area is so great the phone assumes that it's not one touch input but two so close together that it can't differentiate them. Then it decides to treat that massive touch input as two, and as the surface area changes it gives you the pinch to zoom.
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It's not pinch to zoom
Two facts.
Firstly It doesn't work in all of the apps that has pinch to zoom...
Secondly it zooms in while having 1 touch active.
here's What it is, it's probably some apps that use a new api for touch pressure and the nexus 6p using the touch size as pressure value(the 6p shows the pressure as always 1 since the value is larger than 1)
FYI guys, Android has had a "pressure sensitive" feature since its first or second public API level, BUT, it does not have a pressure sensor. It reads the amount of area your finger is occupying on the screen when you lay down your finger, if while your finger is down you cause a greater disruption in the screen electrical field it will register as you using more force. This is because the assumption is made that more finger area contact with the screen = more pressure being applied. This has been available in Android for a very long time, but devs and even Google don't make regular (or any that I can tell) use of it. If you want to write it into your own app you can, but it's not all the useful when you have long press (and less dangerous to screens).
I can't replicate what OP is doing and I suspect he may have accidentally tripped tap and drag and is subtly rolling his finger on the screen.
You can find info on it here under public methods. I suspect that poor calibration across all the various Android devices is why this isn't used much.
http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/MotionEvent.html#getPressure(int)
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FYI guys, Android has had a "pressure sensitive" feature since its first or second public API level, BUT, it does not have a pressure sensor. It reads the amount of area your finger is occupying on the screen when you lay down your finger, if while your finger is down you cause a greater disruption in the screen electrical field it will register as you using more force. This is because the assumption is made that more finger area contact with the screen = more pressure being applied. This has been available in Android for a very long time, but devs and even Google don't make regular (or any that I can tell) use of it. If you want to write it into your own app you can, but it's not all the useful when you have long press (and less dangerous to screens).
I can't replicate what OP is doing and I suspect he may have accidentally tripped tap and drag and is subtly rolling his finger on the screen.
You can find info on it here under public methods. I suspect that poor calibration across all the various Android devices is why this isn't used much.
http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/MotionEvent.html#getPressure(int)
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I understand how it works but i do not understand why...
The Nexus 6p has no pressure support(sadly) while the nexus 5 has pressure support.
When using music apps i can play sounds as i want them to sound by tapping gently or forcefully on my friend's nexus 5.
(the nexus 5 shows different pressure values and touch size)
Yet on the nexus 6p the touch pressure always shows 1 yet the touch size changes.
The nexus 6p zoomes in (in sync with the touch size change) yet the nexus 5 doesn't behave like this.
I know about double tap and slide and i've used it for a long time and I can notice when it is applied and when it is not.
Double tap and slide is smooth and doesn't have anything to do with touch pressure yet this behavior is working in steps and in sync with touch size.
I would like to know why does it happen only on the nexus 6p(and only on certain apps and esp in google photos/whatsapp photos).
This thread is still a thing? Look if any Android device had a pressure sensitive screen it would be advertised. Since it's not it doesn't. End of story. Close this thread
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It's not force touch.
Go to dev options and enable pointer location you will see that PRS (pressure applied) is constant at 1 (for me anyways) on LCD devices the value could change due to how light you touched it.
The display cant detect the pressure applied but the digitizer can estimate the size of the touch point.
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I'm able to replicate this behavior, and I'm in agreement about it measuring surface area of the touch (or multitouch) rather than pressure sensitivity. The Markers app works the same way (although it works barely if at all on the 6p, much better results on the Nexus 7 2013).
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The weird zoom stopped occuring after the android N update but i can still replicate it on other 6p running android 6.
I wish the 6p had this value of pressure since the 5x and 5 has it, alot of apps use it for brush thickness and MIDI velocity on music apps(touch lightly for a soft and quiet sound touch fast with force for a rough and loud sound) it works perfectly fine on the nexus 5 and 5x yet doesn't work on the musical beast that is the nexus 6p.
If youre struggling with the in-display fingerprint reader then read this. I was having a terrible time with mine, reprogramming it over and over trying to get it to work consistently. Well i finally figured out what it is.
You need to very lightly rest your finger on the reader and it will work every time. Dont press hard at all or it wont read your finger correctly.
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Even while using the light touch approach, it still wouldn't unlock just now when i woke up. Seems it need a software update or something.
I've got a screen protector and to me it seems the opposite. When resting your finger gently, the sensor does not recognize the print, but pressing down does work 9/10 times for me.
Not sure what's going on here...
My thumb works 10% of the time...my index 90%
Miss my HTC U11's home button fingerprint reader...
I've doubled up on the finger prints and it works slightly faster
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I'm not really having any issues. It's not 100% accurate but is actually better than my Galaxy s9 one was
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My thumb works 10% of the time...my index 90%
Miss my HTC U11's home button fingerprint reader...
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I have the same result. I find if my finger is perfectly straight and lightly pressing the screen seems to work best.
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I'm not really having any issues. It's not 100% accurate but is actually better than my Galaxy s9 one was
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That is 100% wrong, I have the s9 plus my GF have the s9, never had a issue with either phones, the Lg is on a daily basis. I doubled up on the scan but same thing, the LG G8X finger print sensor is crap among other things.
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That is 100% wrong, I have the s9 plus my GF have the s9, never had a issue with either phones, the Lg is on a daily basis. I doubled up on the scan but same thing, the LG G8X finger print sensor is crap among other things.
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It works perfectly if you do exactly what's stated in the OP.
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It works perfectly if you do exactly what's stated in the OP.
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You're joking right, this is my 6th phone with a finger print sensor, first with a sensor in the screen but that does not change anything. The Lg finger print sensor sucks, I'm not sure what you're trying to defend, it is what it is and yes I tried what the OP the first day I got the phone, including adding the same finger 4 times but it was no better than 3x, compared to the S9's the LG G8X sensor is trash.
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You're joking right, this is my 6th phone with a finger print sensor, first with a sensor in the screen but that does not change anything. The Lg finger print sensor sucks, I'm not sure what you're trying to defend, it is what it is and yes I tried what the OP the first day I got the phone, including adding the same finger 4 times but it was no better than 3x, compared to the S9's the LG G8X sensor is trash.
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Sorry you're doing it wrong.
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Sorry you're doing it wrong.
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Goodbye troll, have a nice day.
Gonna have to agree that the fingerprint sensor on this works better than my Note 10+. It isn't quite Note 9 accurate but after factory reset and sensor test, it works extremely well for me.
Try this:
Program the same finger more than once..
Mine works instantly 100% of the time even at 1% battery typing this now. It doesn't matter what angle or position. Program each finger the way you hold/want to unlock the phone.
And turn up the screen sensitivity esp if using a screen protector.
I came from a v30+ and thought i'd miss the button on the back. Just takes some getting used to.
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Sunday night updated to the Jan security update on the Pixel 6. Prior to that, the finger print reader was working (but barely). I got distracted and forgot to check how the fingerprint recognition was working. The next day, forgot completely about the update and installed the Whitestone dome protector (which went mostly good but I've got three small bubbles, but that's another story).
After installing the dome, they recommend retraining the reader. However, even after training with multiple fingers, the reader, very, very rarely works probably less than 1% of the time if even that. Any ideas what I could try to improve the accuracy? The January update seems to have improved accuracy for most people. I just wish I had tested out the January update more thoroughly before adding the screen protector.
I bought the Dome glass,too. After replace it with the old glass protection the fingerprint was worse than before.
I trained the new, but not better.
What helped for me was to train the FPS again with more pressure of the finger on the FPS. Now it's working almost like the old protection.
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I bought the Dome glass,too. After replace it with the old glass protection the fingerprint was worse than before.
I trained the new, but not better.
What helped for me was to train the FPS again with more pressure of the finger on the FPS. Now it's working almost like the old protection.
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Do you have to apply more pressure when logging in also or just for the training?
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Do you have to apply more pressure when logging in also or just for the training?
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Just for the training.
Did you enable 'increase touch sensitivity'?
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Did you enable 'increase touch sensitivity'?
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No, I never activated it...
I just installed the Whitestone Dome yesterday. My fingerprint seemed to work the same but I went ahead and did a retrain. I think it is still close to without it (WD) except for 1 finger. I had an issue with that same finger on my old OP6T. Good Luck.
I also installed yesterday Whitestone Dome, the fingerprint reader works just like before almost every time. I never had any problems with the FPR, it only failed when I lifted the thumb to early. I did not retrain my thumb, increased Touch sensivity is still disabled. I don't know if it matters, but 4 finger profiles are my thumb.
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No, I never activated it...
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Try enabling it. It's a toggle switch under Settings > Display.
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Did you enable 'increase touch sensitivity'?
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Yes, I did enable the 'increase touch sensitivity' but that hasn't helped.
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I also installed yesterday Whitestone Dome, the fingerprint reader works just like before almost every time. I never had any problems with the FPR, it only failed when I lifted the thumb to early. I did not retrain my thumb, increased Touch sensivity is still disabled. I don't know if it matters, but 4 finger profiles are my thumb.
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I tried doing 4 finger profiles of the thumb but that didn't help either.
Does anyone one know if training indoors, does lighting impact the accuracy of recognition?
I did a quick search and found these other threads on the P6 finger print issue.
There are few more if anyone wants to do a little research.
Pixel 6 fingerprint sensor calibration
Hi, I had to replace my pixel 6 display and the fingerprint sensor with it. When I went on to calibrate the sensor with Google's calibration software, it says "Couldn't find the unique calibration software for this device" after trying to...
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EDITED: December update - screen protectors still interfere with the fingerprint reader
Note: I have edited the subject line to reflect the latest data I have. See post #3 below. It appears that the Tocol screen protector, which many reviews said does not interfere with the fingerprint reader, is the actual culprit...
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Fingerprint + Screen protector
I know that i'm many out of thousands but i can't find anything related to my problem, so i got a pixel 6 and i just got a screenprotector from tauri, fingerprint worked fine before untill i placed the screen protector. i just enrolled my...
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Is there a tempered glass screen protector that works with the finger print scanner?
Anyone have any luck with getting a tempered glass screen protector that works with the fingerprint scanner? I have read several threads about this. Some suggest adding same finger twice. Some suggest increasing sensitivity of the screen, and...
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The best tip for getting it work I have seen is to use hand lotion. It really struggles with dry skin
Hi all,
As many other Pixel 6 users I was struggling with FP sensor in inconsistency - failed unlocks mostly. I did worked a bit better without screen protector, but my personal experience tells me I need one, so the struggle continued.
Today I've made yet another attempt to re-scan my finger hoping to improve the experience and then I've noticed that the sensor seems to work way better if I place my finger 2-3 mm below what I would call centered over the icon on the screen.
No I wonder - is is just me + wishful thinking or maybe there is slight misaligned between the icon on the screen an actual position of the scanner. Any thoughts?
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Weirdly, it works on the bottom half of the FPS scanner icon, and not the top one, so it might be that the sensor is a little bellow the indicator
So it's not just me and my pixel. Nice
You should have posted in reddit instead
You might be right, but I don't use Reddit. Hope whoever might want to try this he would eventually find this thread.
It works well for me, you need to install certified only screen proyectors
Agreed, the FP issue is negligible without screen protector, it a slow yet solid scanner.
I've checked Google's list of certified screen protectors and pretty much all of these get some negative reviews from users. Not to mention all either not available or out of stock in EU.
Currently I'm using Spigen glass, not on the Google's list, but works fairly well.
As I wrote in my first post moving the finger slightly lower on the screen seems to help a lot.
Interesting observation about finger placement and sensor alignment. I'll definitely experiment with that.
I was cussing the fingerprint sensor up until March. It couldn't even enroll let alone unlock. Long, tedious story shortened... Since March after clean flashing the factory image the sensor improved a lot along with solving other screen related problems. My best enrollment results were with warm and clammy fingers from gripping a mug of hot coffee. As it is now only one finger out of four consistently unlocks, but that could just be me. Or placement. With that one finger I'm getting acceptable results with a cheap 9H screen protector (3-pack for $9) and default screen sensitivity. A screen protector 1-pack in the $25-40 range aint gonna happen.
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Agreed, the FP issue is negligible without screen protector, it a slow yet solid scanner.
I've checked Google's list of certified screen protectors and pretty much all of these get some negative reviews from users. Not to mention all either not available or out of stock in EU.
Currently I'm using Spigen glass, not on the Google's list, but works fairly well.
As I wrote in my first post moving the finger slightly lower on the screen seems to help a lot.
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I'm using my P6 without screen protector, and it is very slow and inaccurate for me. For reference, I'm coming from S21 and it's instantaneous and very precise.
What did it for me was that i ignored the instructions completely and did my own routine. for example, i never rolled my finger over the screen. instead i did both sides of the fingerprint just pressing multiple times and on slightly different angles.
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I'm using my P6 without screen protector, and it is very slow and inaccurate for me. For reference, I'm coming from S21 and it's instantaneous and very precise.
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Different sensor tech
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Different sensor tech
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I know it's a different technology, but it's been around for a while now, since S10 (2019) and it only got better with time, so i can't figure out how and why did google skip it for its supposed "the google phone flagship"
Hamid Chikh said:
I know it's a different technology, but it's been around for a while now, since S10 (2019) and it only got better with time, so i can't figure out how and why did google skip it for its supposed "the google phone flagship"
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I agree, it is a bummer. For last few years I was mostly using IOS and got used to authentication being seamless. My last Android was Pixel 2 and I admit - I've missed the experience. FP sensor is giving me some hard time, but I'm super happy with my P6. It will stay with me for longer no doubt.
I did some more testing, retraining etc. and I feel my initial thoughts are not accurate. The reason why I believed the scanner is positioned slightly below the icon on the screen was most probably due to the part of my finger that got scanned the best.
It might be due to the security reasons Google mentioned on the blog, it might also be a smaller and less accurate scanner used in P6/P6P. The outcome stays the same - you need to be very precise while registering your finger print and train your muscle memory to place your finger accurately on the screen.
The scanner on the back of the phone like to the one in Pixel 5 is not only using different tech, but it also makes obvious to a user where to put the finger. Pixel 6 makes it a bit harder, but that's about it.
With a deliberate finger positioning and some practice you can be pretty happy with FP scanner on Pixel 6.
Hi. I got a solution from this xda forum (sorry I don't have the link) but it basically resolved my fingerprint hit-miss issue. Ideally it involved:
1. Remove all the fingerprint images 8 previously made and starting afresh.
2. After removing, before registering new finger prints, first rub the thumb / finger I wanted to register on my forehead so that it collects a good amount of face-oil. Apparently the fingerprint registers well when registering the finger with an oily finger (I refer to the face oil...I have no evidence that other oils work).
3. After a good rub of the finger on your face you now go about registering the finger(s). Suggestion is to register each finger at least 2 times.
When you try using the fingerprint scanner it will work well. You may have to press in a bit (not so much) but this works pretty well.