Guys I need some advice before I buy something
Some devices are equipped with Mediatek MT8125 1.2 GHz Quad Core
while few use Intel Atom Z2560 1.6 GHz
Which chip can perform better ?
Performance wise, battery & tech features..
1.6 GHz Dual core or 1.2 Quad Core
Focus on Speed or Cores ?
Thanks
Mediatek processors sucks in performance, even their octa core is just about on the same if not lower level than Snapdragon processors. But they are power efficient if I'm not mistaken.
Intel however, will blow away everything. Their dual core processors are on the same level and maybe higher than all ARM based processors of there, old ones though.
CMIIW, and some Googleing would help before deciding.
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Many brands equip smartphones & tablets with Mediatek MT8125 chips..
So its speed that matters more then cores
Yeah, more cores doesn't mean more performance. And RAM too, I think 1 GB wouldn't cut it for 2014. Good luck dude.
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Meaditek processors are good bt only main reason is source nt available
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The intel one is better. More core doesn't always mean better, moreover when its mediatek which known to be slowest and crappiest among all modern mobile processor.
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The CPU in the atrix is Dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 CPU, so why i see ARMV7?
it's beacuse that the andorid 2.2 not support in dual core?
The atrix will use the dual core just in 2.3 andorid ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-A9_MPCore
Cortex-A9 uses ARMv7.
I'm not sure Android 2.2 uses dual core but apps that use dual core can still use both cores even on 2.2. (AFAIK)
wtf???
wtf?? the nvidea already develop the other processors?
Tegra (Kal-El) series
Processor: Quad-core ARM Cortex-A9 MPCore, up to 1.5 GHz
Ultra Low Power CPU mode
40 nm by TSMC
Video output up to 2560x1600
NEON instruction sets from ARM
1080p H.264 High Profile video decode
12-Core Nvidia GPU with support for 3D stereo (12 unified shaders); about 5 times faster than Tegra 2[14]
To be released in the second half of 2011
[edit]Tegra (Wayne) series
Processor: Quad-core ARM Cortex-A15 MPCore ?
28 nm by TSMC ?
Improved GPU core: about 10 times faster than Tegra 2
To be released in 2012
[edit]Tegra (Logan) series
Processor: ARM ?
Improved GPU core: about 50 times faster than Tegra 2
To be released in 2013
[edit]Tegra (Stark) series
Processor: ARM ?
Improved GPU core: about 100 times faster than Tegra 2
To be released in 2014
thats ****ing nutz.....nvidea solt tegra 2 but of what I see they already have develop another processor ...nvidea don't realease the processor because they want do more money and a controled evolution......:S thats sucks...I want the last ARM power by tegra :'(
Every <THING> company that wants to survive is always working on the next-gen <THING> technology that is more advanced than their current <THING> technology.
Oh noes Toyota already has a new Prius for next year but wont sell it yet. And Apple already has a new MacBook but won't sell it yet. OMG coach has a new style bag and they are nit selling it yet.
Every company does this. Every company wants you to buy things now and then buy something else later. That is how companies make money.
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I was just thinking about something. Is it really a fair comparison between an asynchronous dual core and a conventional dual core such as the Tegra or the OMAP4? We all know how everyone loves to compare benchmarks on phones. Also, we all know that the 3d does horrible on Quadrant scores. Is this because of the type of cpu we have? If it is... Is it really fair to even try to compare them?
My thinking is that, if both of our cores ran at the same speed all of the time, our cpu would dominate everything on benchmarks. Am I wrong in thinking that? Is there any way we would truly know?
Ps. Hope this isn't dumb thinking. If it is, please just state why and move on. I am NOT trying to start any flame war or troll thread. This is a 100% completely sincere question.
Thanks in advance!
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Benchmark scores mean **** anyways. I don't know why people insist on using them. If the phone runs well, it runs well
Tad slower mostly because its based on a similar ARM cortex A8 design. Those other ones, like galaxy s2 or other SOC's are based on the newer cortex A9 designs. Been analyzed several times over anandtech or other sites. Besides those benchmarks are not dual core at all. So we are apples to apples. Difference is in designs. If you compare two cpus clocked at same speeds (snapdragon/A8 vs A9) A9 will come ahead.
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I understand that benchmarks don't mean anything. I just want to know if the fact that our cpu is asynchronous had anything to do with the exceptionally low scores compared to other devices.
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I'd chalk it up to the fact that the most recent OMAP and Exynos are based on A9 while our scorpion cores are heavily modified A8 designs by qualcomm.
Ours are in between A8 and A9.
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I briefly und understand the difference between A9 and A8 based chips but I personally think the current snapdragon in the shooter (msm8660?) is a much superior chip then the tegra 2. I got tiered of my og evo so I bought the shooter off contract from a buddy for cheap and plan to get the nexus prime which I belive will land at sprint before January (contract up). The rumors are that will use OMAP 4660 clocked at 1.5. Just rumors I know. But how will that compare to the snapdragon in terms of speed and battery?
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ROM synergy 318 OC 1.8 (2.3.3 base) literally SMOKED the sgs2, was hitting 4000+ with quadrant advanced, but yeah, scores mean nothing. We should have OC again soon, and get nice shiny scores again.
From what I have been reading, A8, A9, v6, v7 or whatever there is now doesn't really equate to any performance gains. The companies license from ARM or they can create their own SoC based on ARM, so its kind of like saying there's an Intel Core 2 Duo and then a AMD Athlon X2, but they are both based on x86 architecture. There's a lot of confusion regarding the whole A8 A9 terminology, so honestly, I don't think it matters much what ARM revision or whatever our SoC is using in the Evo 3D.
What I would really like to know is if the Asynchronous part of it is making a difference in the scores. Does anyone know this? That is the biggest question I have.
Hard to really say which processor is more powerful; but at this stage in smartphones all the dual cores seem to be powerful enough to where it doesn't matter. Asynchronous vs the other guys may be a different story though. Asynchronous cores means each core can be at a different clock speed, so when we get the next version to android (in October or November) and we get to take full advantage of dual core support we may have significantly better battery life than them.
So to elaborate on what you want i guess: Asynchronous cores has nothing to do with the benchmarks because these benchmarks are only running one core anyway (i'm pretty sure).
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Hard to really say which processor is more powerful; but at this stage in smartphones all the dual cores seem to be powerful enough to where it doesn't matter. Asynchronous vs the other guys may be a different story though. Asynchronous cores means each core can be at a different clock speed, so when we get the next version to android (in October or November) and we get to take full advantage of dual core support we may have significantly better battery life than them.
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Ok. Now, what about performance wise? Will we be at an advantage or disadvantage?
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Ok. Now, what about performance wise? Will we be at an advantage or disadvantage?
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Check this out if you are worried about performance. I think this pretty much sums up how powerful the new snapdragon chipset
http://www.qualcomm.com/blog/2011/04/27/next-gen-snapdragon-dual-core-mdp
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What I would really like to know is if the Asynchronous part of it is making a difference in the scores. Does anyone know this? That is the biggest question I have.
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Depends... If you are benchmarking with a non multithreaded app like quadrant, it doesn't matter as you're running on a single core on both. A9 will be faster. And if you're running a multithreaded benchmark that fully uses both cores then the "asynchronous" thing goes out of play as you're using both cores on both devices.
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ROM synergy 318 OC 1.8 (2.3.3 base) literally SMOKED the sgs2, was hitting 4000+ with quadrant advanced, but yeah, scores mean nothing. We should have OC again soon, and get nice shiny scores again.
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Well, then if you overclock an A9 to 1.8 ghz you're back to square one and A9 is still faster. I think Qualcomm has already announced their roadmap and a A9 killer is on its way. I think its a quad core with adreno 3xx (will also have dual core with updated architecture to beat A9, but then ARM is coming up with the A15 Hahaha, the never ending race)
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From what I have been reading, A8, A9, v6, v7 or whatever there is now doesn't really equate to any performance gains. The companies license from ARM or they can create their own SoC based on ARM, so its kind of like saying there's an Intel Core 2 Duo and then a AMD Athlon X2, but they are both based on x86 architecture. There's a lot of confusion regarding the whole A8 A9 terminology, so honestly, I don't think it matters much what ARM revision or whatever our SoC is using in the Evo 3D.
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Yes it matters, like your comparison, each chip has new sets of instructions, pipelines and optimization. Clock for clock, and like other guy said our snapdragons are between an A8 and A9 and the A9 is simply faster. Ours is an older architecture. By no means a slouch, but its the truth.
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Yes it matters, like your comparison, each chip has new sets of instructions, pipelines and optimization. Clock for clock, and like other guy said our snapdragons are between an A8 and A9 and the A9 is simply faster. Ours is an older architecture. By no means a slouch, but its the truth.
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See, here's the thing. Qualcomm doesn't just go stock ARM architecture. They licensed the technology and made their own snapdragon chipset. Is the snapdragon chipset family old? Yes, it has been around for a while. Is the chipset that is in the Evo 3D old? Not really. It was just developed by Qualcomm relatively recently and expands on their existing, proven QSD chipset. This is like comparing apples to oranges, they are just two different SoCs. If you were to take an absolutely stock ARMv9 and put it against an absolutely stock ARMv7/8, then yes, the ARMv9 obviously is going to win, but these companies try and market that their CPUs are one version higher than others, when in all reality, they modify the hell out of the ARM architecture to make their chipsets.
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Check this out if you are worried about performance. I think this pretty much sums up how powerful the new snapdragon chipset
http://www.qualcomm.com/blog/2011/04/27/next-gen-snapdragon-dual-core-mdp
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Totally off topic Sorrrry!!!
Just followed the link above and WOW!! how can we con Qualcom into giving us a copy of that home launcher they use with the live wallpaper as well..HMMMMM
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Well, then if you overclock an A9 to 1.8 ghz you're back to square one and A9 is still faster. I think Qualcomm has already announced their roadmap and a A9 killer is on its way. I think its a quad core with adreno 3xx (will also have dual core with updated architecture to beat A9, but then ARM is coming up with the A15 Hahaha, the never ending race)
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It is much harder to push a A9 based SOC to 1.8 Ghz compared to the A8 based MSM8660. Clock per clock, A9 will be faster. The A9 has greater IPC and a shorter pipeline, but this also prevents the A9 from running at as high frequencies as an A8 based SOC. How many 1.8 Ghz Exynos chips do you see? In some regards the MSM8660 clearly beats some A9 based SOCs like the Tegra 2 which even lacks hardware support for NEON instructions. Snapdragons have also always traditionally had high floating point performance too.
Also there is no competition between Qualcomm and ARM. Qualcomm simply licenses designs from ARM and then customizes them for its own needs.
Asus told us that the original Transformer was dual core but its actually 1ghz for computing and 1ghz for graphics (which i guess is dual core but not in the way we all thought.).
Just hoping they dont pull something similar with the Prime...
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Asus told us that the original Transformer was dual core but its actually 1ghz for computing and 1ghz for graphics (which i guess is dual core but not in the way we all thought.).
Just hoping they dont pull something similar with the Prime...
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Huh? Not sure where you're pulling your information from, but Tegra 2 consists of a dual-core CPU with each core at 1Ghz and ULP GeFoce GPU running at 333Mhz.
Technically speaking its 5 cores and a gpu.
The Tegra 3, which the Prime has, consists of a 4 1.4GHz CPU cores along with another low-power core. It also has a 12 core GPU.
The TF101, the original transformer, had a Tegra 2. The Tegra 2 had 2 1GHz CPU cores and a 333MHz GPU core.
http :// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Tegra
I guess it really was dual core, awhile back when I first purchased a Viewsonic G-tablet (I've had every other tegra 2 tablet since) I read a review that said tegra 2 wasnt really dual core because it was using 1ghz for cpu and another 1ghz for gpu. But according to the tegra 2 wiki it really is dual core.
Still dont understand why my Archos 70 runs webpages and go launcher better, it only has a single core 1ghz cpu . Maybe it was honeycomb that made the tegra 2 seem slugish.
Tegra 3 has the 4 cores and that single companion core, so it should have no problems I hope, expecially when ICS hits.
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I guess it really was dual core, awhile back when I first purchased a Viewsonic G-tablet (I've had every other tegra 2 tablet since) I read a review that said tegra 2 wasnt really dual core because it was using 1ghz for cpu and another 1ghz for gpu. But according to the tegra 2 wiki it really is dual core.
Still dont understand why my Archos 70 runs webpages and go launcher better, it only has a single core 1ghz cpu . Maybe it was honeycomb that made the tegra 2 seem slugish.
Tegra 3 has the 4 cores and that single companion core, so it should have no problems I hope, expecially when ICS hits.
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The Tegra 2 is two ARM A9 chips @ 1.00Ghz (and later on, 1.2Ghz) CPU alongside an 8 core GeForce GPU.
The The Tegra 3 is a four ARM A9 chips @ 1.4GHz alongside a 12 core GeForce GPU + a 5th underclocked A9 for power-saving features.
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The Tegra 2 is two ARM A9 chips @ 1.00Ghz (and later on, 1.2Ghz) CPU alongside an 8 core GeForce GPU.
The The Tegra 3 is a four ARM A9 chips @ 1.4GHz alongside a 12 core GeForce GPU + a 5th underclocked A9 for power-saving features.
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The The Tegra 3 is a four ARM A9 chips @ 1.3GHz (upto 1.4GHz in single core mode) alongside a 12 core GeForce GPU + a 5th underclocked A9 for power-saving features.
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Maybe it was honeycomb that made the tegra 2 seem slugish.
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Probably. They made a mistake of not making the home screen hardware accelerated. It's supposed to be fixed in ICS.
look at this : http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_tx_t_and_v_benchmarks_are_here_promising_too-news-4722.php
in the results, the new line of sony xperias, r getting better results on benchmarks than galaxy s3. How can it be? How xperia t with almost the same specification than xperia s gets better results than galaxy s3 with his quadcore processor ?
Quad core is not yet optimized in android
Android is not ready yet for quad core
Dual core is more than enough for android (well ICS)
Because i think jellybean quad core will do better (CMIIW)
Its not just Xperia T all device that use S4 "krait" Dual Core benchmark is always better than exynos
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Its the next gen snapdragon S4 plus krait processor..u can find out about those over at their site Qualcomm Snapdragon Processors. Just because S3 and HTC ONE X has quad core doesnt make it act fast coz despite of the cores, the normal apps doesn need to use the quads. May be ull get better gaming fps and smoothness with tegra 3 but when its come to web browsing, stability and working potential the snapdragon chipsets actually does a lot of good work. Waiting for the LG Optimus G. Heard they used S4 PRO Quad Krait
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Its the next gen snapdragon S4 plus krait processor..u can find out about those over at their site Qualcomm Snapdragon Processors. Just because S3 and HTC ONE X has quad core doesnt make it act fast coz despite of the cores, the normal apps doesn need to use the quads. May be ull get better gaming fps and smoothness with tegra 3 but when its come to web browsing, stability and working potential the snapdragon chipsets actually does a lot of good work. Waiting for the LG Optimus G. Heard they used S4 PRO Quad Krait
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Quad Krait
Sounds pretty scary
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and about the difference on results between xperia t and xperia s?
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look at this : http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_tx_t_and_v_benchmarks_are_here_promising_too-news-4722.php
in the results, the new line of sony xperias, r getting better results on benchmarks than galaxy s3. How can it be? How xperia t with almost the same specification than xperia s gets better results than galaxy s3 with his quadcore processor ?
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Because cores != performance.
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Because it's not about number of cores.
Typically the phones with more cores run them at slower clock speeds, canceling out the difference.
It's all about getting a BALANCED spec, which includes I/O rates, flash speed, memory channels, memory bandwidth, cpu cores, cpu power management latency and literally hundreds of other factors.
Both Sony and Samsung are tier 1 manufacturers, which is why they know how to spend money in the right areas when it comes to component costs.
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and about the difference on results between xperia t and xperia s?
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XS Use S3 processor, No Ext Memory, no LTE, 12mp camera
While XT S4 processor, Ext Mem, LTE support, and 14mp camera
If you talking about benchmark
Its pretty far i think thanks to the S4
But the downside is the illumination bar
I really love that bar. if xperia T have that bar i will upgrade without thinking anymore
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Quad Krait
Sounds pretty scary
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The new gen S4 PRO comes in two form, Dual and Quad..LG Optimus G went with the Quad 1.5GHz and a shattering 320GPU. Its gona be pretty fast in 3D rendered games for sure and as its Qualcomm then u can very easily bet that there battery consumption will be less than usual Quads
Qualcomm doesn't use reference ARM Design. they just get the license for A9/A15.
They have their own Design like Apple with their SoC.
The Sony Xperia S has the MSM8660 which is a Snapdragon S3 (45nm, Single Channel RAM, Andreno 220 GPU).
The Sony Xperia T has the MSM8260a which is a Snapdragon S4 (28nm, Dual Channel RAM, Andreno 225 GPU).
The difference is also in the architecture.
S3 = Scorpion: This is the own Design of Qualcomm which is compareable with ARM Cortex A9
S4 = Krait: This is also designed by Qualcomm and is compareable with ARM Cortex A15
The performance of Snapdragon SoC's is incredible. Its not just, that Android is not yet optimized for Quad-Core SoC's but also the Design.
There are already benches available showing the APQ8064 which is a Quad-Core with Andreno 320 GPU. There is no compareable SoC at the moment and if I'm not wrong the LG Optimus G will get this SoC (Q1/Q2 2013).
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Qualcomm doesn't use reference ARM Design. they just get the license for A9/A15.
They have their own Design like Apple with their SoC.
The Sony Xperia S has the MSM8660 which is a Snapdragon S3 (45nm, Single Channel RAM, Andreno 220 GPU).
The Sony Xperia T has the MSM8260a which is a Snapdragon S4 (28nm, Dual Channel RAM, Andreno 225 GPU).
The difference is also in the architecture.
S3 = Scorpion: This is the own Design of Qualcomm which is compareable with ARM Cortex A9
S4 = Krait: This is also designed by Qualcomm and is compareable with ARM Cortex A15
The performance of Snapdragon SoC's is incredible. Its not just, that Android is not yet optimized for Quad-Core SoC's but also the Design.
There are already benches available showing the APQ8064 which is a Quad-Core with Andreno 320 GPU. There is no compareable SoC at the moment and if I'm not wrong the LG Optimus G will get this SoC (Q1/Q2 2013).
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For better GPU performance, i have seen Qualcomm betting more on MSM8960 than any other. I am waiting for S4 PRO MSM8960T chipset review (will surely be used over TABS only) lets see what it got. Didnt read nor know anything about APQ8064 model and i dont think dat we will get to know about that chipset unless LG releases their Optimus G. Xperia T has the AP series from S4 PLUS but S4 PRO is a total new ball game . Am guessing that the next gen S4 chips can easily be overclocked to 2GHz+ as my Xperia-S is already running on 1.78GHZ smoothly and its a Dual Core S3 . LG announced 2GB of ram for the Optimus G so, basically, 2GHz+ of overclocked QUAD PROCESSOR with 2GB ram is a must have for any enthusiast android developer/user. And if they manufacturer make it to a perfection than for sure its a must kept for the next 2/3 years as android for quads, wont be developed before that time but WITHIN that time. That 320GPU is already like a cherry on top so for now, am just keeping my fingers crossed to know how the battery will perform :fingers-crossed:. Then again, thats just my prediction and thoughts . As is said before, Qualcomm already won my faith over their chipsets . More like Dejavu ..More power work yet less power consumed
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Quad core is not yet optimized in android
Android is not ready yet for quad core
Dual core is more than enough for android (well ICS)
Because i think jellybean quad core will do better (CMIIW)
Its not just Xperia T all device that use S4 "krait" Dual Core benchmark is always better than exynos
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If in future quadcore will be good for android then s3 not gonna be outdated soon
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If in future quadcore will be good for android then s3 not gonna be outdated soon
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It's not only quadcore + Android not optimized to be the reason that Xperia T and other new Krait S4 CPU powered phones are better then Samsung's S3.
The S3 is powered by the tegra 3, and tegra 3 isn't the newest CPU anymore. It's just the fact that the S4 processor from Qualcomm is newer and better optimized then tegra 3.
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It's not only quadcore + Android not optimized to be the reason that Xperia T and other new Krait S4 CPU powered phones are better then Samsung's S3.
The S3 is powered by the tegra 3, and tegra 3 isn't the newest CPU anymore. It's just the fact that the S4 processor from Qualcomm is newer and better optimized then tegra 3.
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S3 powered by Tegra 3? Where did you read that? It has either the Quad Core Exynos or Dual Core S4 Krait in some models variations.
krabappel2548 said:
It's not only quadcore + Android not optimized to be the reason that Xperia T and other new Krait S4 CPU powered phones are better then Samsung's S3.
The S3 is powered by the tegra 3, and tegra 3 isn't the newest CPU anymore. It's just the fact that the S4 processor from Qualcomm is newer and better optimized then tegra 3.
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LOL S3 have Quad Core Exynos .. Tegra 3 is for HTC ONE X and Xperia T came with S4 Plus Dual Core Krait which actually has beaten S3 and HTC both to some serious extent. Hell, HTC ONE S beats one x to some serious level BOTTOM LINE : Qualcomm holds the authentic brain power for androids
I have some question on my mind before i buy new Android Smartphone !
please guide me about Processor
Like MTK / Cortex / Qualcomm / Scorpion / Snapdragon
may be its a brand but which one is better if they all is 1 GHz ?
or if they all Running on 1 GHz that means they all Dual Core or Single Core?
personally ask which one is better Processor ?
MTK6573 With PowerVR 531 GPU
or
Qualcomm Scorpian With Adreno 200 GPU
both are 1 GHz !
Dual core > single core
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Both if both dualcore then which one is good? If both singlecore then which one is good?
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Adreno 200 is a bit old for these days. All the processors have their pros and cons. It's up to you which one you buy. I prefer Qualcomm. But its not always the better choice
that means PowerVR SXG531 GPU is better then adreno 200 right ?