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To anyone reading this it's probably old news, but this is my first Sony device ever, and I didn't do my homework. Knowing that unlocking the bootloader erases the entire phone it's usually the first thing I do when I get a new phone. Having said that I obviously lost my DRM when I didn't back up my TA Partition. Everything I find by searching has to do with either avoiding loss in the first place or it's an older post regarding the Z. Does anyone know exactly what I've lost. My understanding from old posts is this:
-you lose over the air updates
-you lose use of Sony digital services that require DRM
-you lose x-reality display functionality
Do these still hold true with the Z2 and KitKat?
Thanks
Well, you're the one to tell! Since you're among the first few to get this device.
I think Z1 had camera issues after unlocking the boot loader, do you have those? Is camera taking pictures as good as before?
KyleSforza said:
Well, you're the one to tell! Since you're among the first few to get this device.
I think Z1 had camera issues after unlocking the boot loader, do you have those? Is camera taking pictures as good as before?
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I ran the camera through its paces. Very quick and very nice results. Also, I tested the video and 4K recording, all seems fine. I am able to toggle the X-reality mobile engine on and off but can't tell if it does anything. I'm not familiar with its purpose but generally opt out of visual software enhancements anyway so maybe I'll luck out.
I'm pissed at myself... I don't use Sony services really so renting movies and such should pose an issue. I was able to connect to my PS4 remotely and download a game so that doesn't seem effected.
What else can I check?
If you can or care you might wish to see if video output at HD is still possible, I know you can't try 4k yet till the cable becomes available.
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If you can or care you might wish to see if video output at HD is still possible, I know you can't try 4k yet till the cable becomes available.
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Via MHL you mean?
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By whatever means, you have lost your dmca keys so the phone should refuse to output video at HD or above.
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By whatever means, you have lost your dmca keys so the phone should refuse to output video at HD or above.
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MHL adapter is the only physical output I'm aware of.....I don't have one of those. I can use HD chromecast no problem but that's 3rd party content, not Z2 created video. I'm trying to come up with another way to test it and drawing a blank.
As I said that connector is not available yet but I wasn't sure if you could output HD video via another means as my phone is on backorder like most folks. I'm thinking you wont be able to because that's situation normal but you would be the first person I've read of that could confirm it.
I understand what you are saying. MHL 3.0 cable isn't available. You said the phone should not be able to output HD, which I took to mean 1080. That test would be possible using MHL 1.0 or 2.0, and that's what I was referring to when I said I don't have one. I'd buy one for the purpose of testing this out unless there is some other way I can accomplish this testing. I don't know of any other way and it seems like you don't either.....am I understanding all this correctly. I should buy an MHL 2.0 and see if I can output some 1080 video?
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I understand what you are saying. MHL 3.0 cable isn't available. You said the phone should not be able to output HD, which I took to mean 1080. That test would be possible using MHL 1.0 or 2.0, and that's what I was referring to when I said I don't have one. I'd buy one for the purpose of testing this out unless there is some other way I can accomplish this testing. I don't know of any other way and it seems like you don't either.....am I understanding all this correctly. I should buy an MHL 2.0 and see if I can output some 1080 video?
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Yeah I did mean 1080P, it should not be possible after the loss of the keys and it's the only HD or higher resolution you can output without the mhl3 connector. I myself would just wait for the phone to release globally and soon enough I'd get my answer rather than buying. But if ya gots to know...
I came from an s3, flashed it to death, I'm getting withdrawl...
I Understand that unlocking the bootloader on the z1 broke various things.
Like camera (although I believe thats resolved in the latest update) and also the x reality?
Except I've read that unlocking the bootloader on z2 would lead to less quality on my camera?
Is this true?
Also, on z1 and other xperia phones, didn't they manage to enable xreality even without locked bootloader?
So, my question is simply this: without mentioning warranty
What do I lose by unlocking my bootloader, and anything thats lost could potentially get restored unofficially?
and could someone also interested in unlocking the bootloader, take some pictures before and after the unlock... please?
Things that are lost after unlock
DRM Keys
Warranty
Things that break:
X-Reality
OTA Update/any kind of update through sony pc companion or update service
Things that change:
All of the above
Updating and stuff , or anything at all. Just ask
Envious_Data said:
Things that are lost after unlock
DRM Keys
Warranty
Things that break:
X-Reality
OTA Update/any kind of update through sony pc companion or update service
Things that change:
All of the above
Updating and stuff , or anything at all. Just ask
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Official Sony response:
Dear Jacek,
Thank you for contacting Sony Xperia™ Online Support.
In regards to the email that we receive from you about what you loose when you unlock the bootloader, we can tell you that the features that the phone has intergated you are able to keep them like the one that you mentioned. We are sorry for any incovenience this may cause. Thank you for been part of the Sony Xperia™ Family.
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I mentioned X-Reality and BIONZ. I don't know how reliable this answer is... Seems quite vague.
Their reply just says nothing is lost in fancy talk
I think x-reality engine stops but i cant test right now
I dont even have a rom installed
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Their reply just says nothing is lost in fancy talk
I think x-reality engine stops but i cant test right now
I dont even have a rom installed
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Sure, keep us posted.
Thanks for the replies guys.
So it seems nothing is lost...
Ota isn't an issue since.. Well we'll be flashing tweaks anyway.
X reality and camera is the thing I was most worried about and their email reply seems to confirm they're preserved.
So what are the drm keys for!!?
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Keys are important for Sony's special offers and warranty.
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So no keys means no lounge offers... Not sure I'd miss it too much tbh.
What about ps4 connectivity and other Sony exclusive things? Anyone?
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Ps3 controller connection works fine, even throwing music to a ps3 and 4 works fine with a UBL (unlocked bootloader)
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Ps3 controller connection works fine, even throwing music to a ps3 and 4 works fine with a UBL (unlocked bootloader)
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thanks for testing that, i heard there was ps4 camera connectivity.
For example: using playroom, draw on phone, the object comes to life on your camera ps4 screen and can be interacted with.
Seems a petty thing to ask but I just want the full lowdown on whats lost via unlock, this seems to be a sony exclusive z2 and z2tab feature so I'm wondering.. do drm keys affect ps4 interactivity in that way?
My XReality and "offers" are working just fine. I also updated to 17.1.A.2.55 yesterday through companion...
I was thinking about this the other day, if the drm keys (ta folder) are exclusive to each handset and sony themselves provide key for bootloader unlock, wouldnt sony be able to provide the folder if we supplied the serial number, imei etc. Obviously i'd be better off asking sony, just wondered what others thought? I can't see any reason why they wouldnt be able to, but can maybe understand why they may not want to
@shollywood...
You're rooted? If so, is the walkman app downloading music info? That seemed to be the other thing people mentioned might break
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shollywood said:
My XReality and "offers" are working just fine. I also updated to 17.1.A.2.55 yesterday through companion...
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What exactly are these "offers" if I may ask? Also, does xreality even make a difference?
Can someone confirm that nothing important (except the warranty) is lost after unlocking bootloader ?
I dont't mind OTA updates and special offers.
If X-Reality, OTA updates and Some Xperia Market apps are not important then unlocking your bootloader is a big plus
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If X-Reality, OTA updates and Some Xperia Market apps are not important then unlocking your bootloader is a big plus
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Is xreality lost ??
Seems so... But there's been talk on z1 forum about reenabling again after root...
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pauliebb said:
Seems so... But there's been talk on z1 forum about reenabling again after root...
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Ok, I will wait before unlocking my device, I want to know exactly what I'll lose. For the moment, noone seems able to report precisely what is lost... It's really a shame...
Then, maybe a method to backup TA partition will be found sooner or later.
nreuge said:
Ok, I will wait before unlocking my device, I want to know exactly what I'll lose. For the moment, noone seems able to report precisely what is lost... It's really a shame...
Then, maybe a method to backup TA partition will be found sooner or later.
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Yeah I am going to wait and see what happens. Now that more are getting the phone we will recieve more data and hopefully more people can look for exploits. Who knows maybe we don't even need to unlock the bootloader :victory:
Hello everyone. New Z2 owner here, long history with android though! I tried searching around but found a little bit of information before posting. I have a D6503, build number 17.1.2.A.0.214 (ATT USA) and i cant seem to figure out what broke my playstation app. When i first opened the phone yesterday everything worked well, this morning i unlocked bootloader (didnt back up my TA keys im such an idiot) and that was successful. Really wish i did more research on backing up my DRM keys, first sony phone and lesson learned.
I didn't flash a rom, nor do i have root and still giving me an error when trying to sign in over and over. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling, even factory flashed a tf file like it just came out the box. What could be wrong? I know once you unlock bootloader you lose DRM keys, but did unlocked break my playstation app? Any helped would be appreciated.
Error code: 0X82E01003
Anyone?
Error code: 0X82E01003
i have xperia z2 and i have also unlocked bootloader my DRM keys lost forever,
im having exactly the same issue, justthatmy app was working 4 weeks ago with no problems, and by that time my bootloader was already open so maybe its not an error related to the DRM keys, still i dont know why doesnt allow me to sign in on my Z2
does anyone solved it?
ado000178 said:
i have xperia z2 and i have also unlocked bootloader my DRM keys lost forever,
im having exactly the same issue, justthatmy app was working 4 weeks ago with no problems, and by that time my bootloader was already open so maybe its not an error related to the DRM keys, still i dont know why doesnt allow me to sign in on my Z2
does anyone solved it?
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same thing happen to me
and error C-80F80A01 on remote play
Same errors here, ive tried asking if its related to drm but didnt get a response, uninstalling updates for playstation app from the play store will make it work, not getting anywhere with remote play tho, i think drm keys may have been added with new version because i dont see many people complaining that its not working, the few who have complained have unlocked bootloaders and Z3 forums have remote play confirmed broke if bootloader unlocked.
However if this is the case then i cannot understand how people have it ported and running on non sony phones....... for the record i cant get the port working either
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Im off to annoy sony on there live chat, will report back in the unlikely event i chat to a sony staff that knows what theyre on about lol
Well after a long chat with sony chat support, i didnt get a straight answer but it would appear that remote play is broken due to loss of drm keys, on that note anyone want to swap a bootloader unlocked z2 (with no ta backup) for an unlockable z2? lol
I'm locked bootloader, and had trouble, as soon as I deleted super su app, ps4 remote play worked again
Unlocked bootloader means Playstation services broken. Being punished for wanting to unlock my phone and customize it. Will never buy another sony phone. Bought this phone for remote play and I now can't use it.
so disappointed
kennypow3rs said:
Unlocked bootloader means Playstation services broken. Being punished for wanting to unlock my phone and customize it. Will never buy another sony phone. Bought this phone for remote play and I now can't use it.
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As they said, now that we have the update we cant use rem play such a bull****, so i think its not sony fault bro its ours for not backing up that frickin TA stupid folder so were pretty much f####k up by our own actions, damm!! In so stupid!! Ok i give up... im selling this phone and gettin a new z2! Since price came down...i aint getting z3 cause desin its a downgrade to me with that stupid notification led... No thanks im getting brand new z2 with a ta folder intact!! Lesson learned!!!
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As they said, now that we have the update we cant use rem play such a bull****, so i think its not sony fault bro its ours for not backing up that frickin TA stupid folder so were pretty much f####k up by our own actions, damm!! In so stupid!! Ok i give up... im selling this phone and gettin a new z2! Since price came down...i aint getting z3 cause desin its a downgrade to me with that stupid notification led... No thanks im getting brand new z2 with a ta folder intact!! Lesson learned!!!
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wait....... aint tried it yet, looking for deodexed 4.4.4, sure envious data posted one......... but give this a try first http://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony/xperia-z1-z2-z3-series-devices-drm-t2930672
thanks bro
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wait....... aint tried it yet, looking for deodexed 4.4.4, sure envious data posted one......... but give this a try first http://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony/xperia-z1-z2-z3-series-devices-drm-t2930672
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thanks dude i will
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thanks dude i will
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No worries, i have it installed now but hasnt made xreality work, so im doubtful but ya never know
numskull said:
No worries, i have it installed now but hasnt made xreality work, so im doubtful but ya never know
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yeah im already looking to sell my phone to be honest. Bought it for remote play, that feature is probably lost for me forever. On the hunt for another good phone.
Had the Nexus 5, M8, M7, OnePlus One, Lg G3 all this year lol. Guess my hunt continues for the perfect device. This sony came really close but sony immediately lost my attention with the DRM keys bull.
kennypow3rs said:
yeah im already looking to sell my phone to be honest. Bought it for remote play, that feature is probably lost for me forever. On the hunt for another good phone.
Had the Nexus 5, M8, M7, OnePlus One, Lg G3 all this year lol. Guess my hunt continues for the perfect device. This sony came really close but sony immediately lost my attention with the DRM keys bull.
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Considering the same to be honest, cant say i got this phone because of remote play (got it back in april) i was gonna get an xperia anyway, but went for the z2 mostly in case of any compatibility with my ps4, wasnt possible to root and backup when i unlocked, but the playstation app and all my other worked fine after unlocking, 6 months with a great phone then bam, cant use my usual playstation app or new remote play, wouldn't have unlocked if i knew that was gonna happen, worst part is, about 2 weeks after i unlocked someone discovered a way to root n backup first, grrrrrrrr
On the plus side, im not a devoloper or anything, but i tried loads of methods of getting some kind of temp root access to pull that TA file back then, that mod, while not making anything work, it has created a folder on my phone that i havent seen since may......
Im on the same page i was only putting up with the annoying low low notification bug because we were getting remote play etc.
Now i have no reason to keep this device looking to get the G3
How did you find the G3 Kennypow3rs
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Considering the same to be honest, cant say i got this phone because of remote play (got it back in april) i was gonna get an xperia anyway, but went for the z2 mostly in case of any compatibility with my ps4, wasnt possible to root and backup when i unlocked, but the playstation app and all my other worked fine after unlocking, 6 months with a great phone then bam, cant use my usual playstation app or new remote play, wouldn't have unlocked if i knew that was gonna happen, worst part is, about 2 weeks after i unlocked someone discovered a way to root n backup first, grrrrrrrr
On the plus side, im not a devoloper or anything, but i tried loads of methods of getting some kind of temp root access to pull that TA file back then, that mod, while not making anything work, it has created a folder on my phone that i havent seen since may......
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Sony broke remote play on purpose, they just launched the Z3, thats one of the only features people would actually buy a sony phone to be honest. Sony knows this. If they allowed all over phones to access remote play then they'd never sell any phones. I get it, but it still sucks. Remote play is gone for now. No way unless a dev cooks up a way to make it work without DRM keys. Im sure, then even sony predicted that so they have ways of locking it out. In a nutshell they punished you for unlocking, you paid the price now buy a Z3 they said.
dude you just described my feeling....
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Considering the same to be honest, cant say i got this phone because of remote play (got it back in april) i was gonna get an xperia anyway, but went for the z2 mostly in case of any compatibility with my ps4, wasnt possible to root and backup when i unlocked, but the playstation app and all my other worked fine after unlocking, 6 months with a great phone then bam, cant use my usual playstation app or new remote play, wouldn't have unlocked if i knew that was gonna happen, worst part is, about 2 weeks after i unlocked someone discovered a way to root n backup first, grrrrrrrr
On the plus side, im not a devoloper or anything, but i tried loads of methods of getting some kind of temp root access to pull that TA file back then, that mod, while not making anything work, it has created a folder on my phone that i havent seen since may......
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yeap! back then i just wanted the sound mod from olokos in my phone but have working both of my speakers in a call caused trouble to the person in the other side havin hard time listening my voice so i ended up uninstalling the mood and relocking with flashtool, result= TA forlder gone and all for nothing. sell it before it gets too DAmm cheap!
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Im on the same page i was only putting up with the annoying low low notification bug because we were getting remote play etc.
Now i have no reason to keep this device looking to get the G3
How did you find the G3 Kennypow3rs
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The G3 was the perfect phone ive used to date minus the screen.If LG would have only included a 1080p screen instead of a QHD 2k screen, it would have been 10/10. The screen just drains too much battery and not needed yet in technology for phones. It really drains the battery so much. I would say pass on it. Also there is zero development to be honest. Get a Nexus 6 or something else. All those phones ive listed id say pass on and wait for something better.
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Sony broke remote play on purpose, they just launched the Z3, thats one of the only features people would actually buy a sony phone to be honest. Sony knows this. If they allowed all over phones to access remote play then they'd never sell any phones. I get it, but it still sucks. Remote play is gone for now. No way unless a dev cooks up a way to make it work without DRM keys. Im sure, then even sony predicted that so they have ways of locking it out. In a nutshell they punished you for unlocking, you paid the price now buy a Z3 they said.
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Only problem is, it is on other phones. The port of remote play runs on galaxy s4, note3 some htc devices, its unlocked and rooted sony devices its not working on
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The G3 was the perfect phone ive used to date minus the screen.If LG would have only included a 1080p screen instead of a QHD 2k screen, it would have been 10/10. The screen just drains too much battery and not needed yet in technology for phones. It really drains the battery so much. I would say pass on it. Also there is zero development to be honest. Get a Nexus 6 or something else. All those phones ive listed id say pass on and wait for something better.
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I'm really drawn to the G3 so given what you've described here if I just added an extended battery or just carried a spare sounds ideal
I must admit the Z2 has been quite impressive with battery life I can from note 3 which was/is a superb device I swapped to Z2 just for a change the numerous problems ha email just put me off
Notifications
The fact I can see the digitizer touch panel points on the screen
Now block psn app and remote play
In don't find the touch screen as responsive/accurate as other devices
Got someone looking for a straight trade for G3 so may take them up on it
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I was used to having Lte and being able to be on a call and use Internet. I thought all high end phones were capable of it so now I'm kinda annoyed this phone can't. Is 5.0 supposed to fix this
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Your two options are here:
1. Now with root, there's possibility to unlocking bootloader. With unlocked bootloader, you can do custom rom. With custom rom, that's where you can freely do the options of anything whoever desires to do what, I'm guessing.
2. Continue to wait for lollipop from Verizon. Really stupid that T-Mobile has confirmed two lollipop updates but Verizon is no news.
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Sign up for a Google voice number and use Google hangouts dialer which works on a data connection or WiFi.
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I use it at home since my cellular service is weak. When someone calls my cell it forwards to my Google voice # after a few rings through my wifi on my phone, tablet, pc or any other device that works with GV.
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1. Now with root, there's possibility to unlocking bootloader.
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Being able to root does not mean you can unlock the bootloader. The bootloader on this variant is locked and cannot be unlocked.
Oh I know that. Eventually though, this will be unlocked. Whenever someone is able to get the unlock keys from Sony.
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Oh I know that. Eventually though, this will be unlocked. Whenever someone is able to get the unlock keys from Sony.
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I do not think so. No Sony phone has had an unofficial bootloader unlock since the Xperia Neo, released in 2011 (iirc) as no dev is working on an unofficial unlock because Sony allows people to unlock on some devices. Why try and unlock the caged, barred, alarmed window when they give you the key to the front door?
It is a very smart move from Sony as all the incentive to find an unofficial unlock is gone. I am not saying it wont happen, but going off past experience its not just that it is very difficult, its just that no one is even trying....
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Your two options are here:
1. Now with root, there's possibility to unlocking bootloader. With unlocked bootloader, you can do custom rom. With custom rom, that's where you can freely do the options of anything whoever desires to do what, I'm guessing.
2. Continue to wait for lollipop from Verizon. Really stupid that T-Mobile has confirmed two lollipop updates but Verizon is no news.
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No VoLTE until VZW flips the switch for this devices. Even a Lollipop update is no guarantee. The HTC One M8 is on 5.0.1 and still has no VoLTE, even those that are S-Off, unlocked, rooted, ROM'd yadda yadda
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I do not think so. No Sony phone has had an unofficial bootloader unlock since the Xperia Neo, released in 2011 (iirc) as no dev is working on an unofficial unlock because Sony allows people to unlock on some devices. Why try and unlock the caged, barred, alarmed window when they give you the key to the front door?
It is a very smart move from Sony as all the incentive to find an unofficial unlock is gone. I am not saying it wont happen, but going off past experience its not just that it is very difficult, its just that no one is even trying....
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The Sony Xperia Z3 is officially unlocked with the only problem that you'll lose the DRM keys that gives the camera special qualities. And we've achieved root so far, so it's not that no one is trying, it's just security is much tighter.
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No VoLTE until VZW flips the switch for this devices. Even a Lollipop update is no guarantee. The HTC One M8 is on 5.0.1 and still has no VoLTE, even those that are S-Off, unlocked, rooted, ROM'd yadda yadda
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Erhm, I'd like to know where you know the HTC One M8 is lacking simultaneous voice and data. My brother has one rooted, unlocked, and all that and he can make calls while browsing. So wherever you heard that from... better check your resources again.
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The Sony Xperia Z3 is officially unlocked with the only problem that you'll lose the DRM keys that gives the camera special qualities. And we've achieved root so far, so it's not that no one is trying, it's just security is much tighter.
Erhm, I'd like to know where you know the HTC One M8 is lacking simultaneous voice and data. My brother has one rooted, unlocked, and all that and he can make calls while browsing. So wherever you heard that from... better check your resources again.
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I think the M8 always had simultaneous voice and data, that's not VoLTE, I should ,have called it "Enhanced 4G" although it's part of it for the newest devices. The simultaneous voice/data will be part of the "enhanced 4G" for the newest devices, and, AFAIK, there's no way to hack around that. The other parts of Enhanced 4G, i.e. HD calling and video calling are still not available for the M8, even for those that have been able to get the toggle activated.
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I think the M8 always had simultaneous voice and data, that's not VoLTE, I should ,have called it "Enhanced 4G" although it's part of it for the newest devices. The simultaneous voice/data will be part of the "enhanced 4G" for the newest devices, and, AFAIK, there's no way to hack around that. The other parts of Enhanced 4G, i.e. HD calling and video calling are still not available for the M8, even for those that have been able to get the toggle activated.
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Lol, the only part I'm still really concerned about is the basic necessity function for simultaneous voice and data. I don't see what significant differences enhanced calling or whatnot will make as long as either person on each other's line can hear perfectly while also being able to browse data that can be important for the moment. It's basically the definition of a "smartphone".
This really makes me rethink my purchase, today I needed to review an email while on the phone with a designer and could not
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This really makes me rethink my purchase, today I needed to review an email while on the phone with a designer and could not
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Your best chance of making up for that is to be connected to wi-fi while on a call.
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The Sony Xperia Z3 is officially unlocked with the only problem that you'll lose the DRM keys that gives the camera special qualities. And we've achieved root so far, so it's not that no one is trying, it's just security is much tighter.
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I know. All xperia Phones since 2012 have been able to be officially unlocked unless the carrier has blocked it. For the Z3 v it has been blocked. Also, the difference between gaining root & and unlocking the boot is massive, Do not expect to get unlocked boots on the Z3 v, There has not even been a working kexec on locked devices for a few years.
Anyway, apologies for the hijack of the thread. My post are for info only
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Lol, the only part I'm still really concerned about is the basic necessity function for simultaneous voice and data. I don't see what significant differences enhanced calling or whatnot will make as long as either person on each other's line can hear perfectly while also being able to browse data that can be important for the moment. It's basically the definition of a "smartphone".
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The m8 had voice and data to start with, which means hardware and drivers to support it. Our phone, unfortunately, dies not have that capability and will only be able to do voice and data when volte is implemented. Custom Rom can be installed with locked bootloaders with the appropriate recovery, but not kernel
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I know. All xperia Phones since 2012 have been able to be officially unlocked unless the carrier has blocked it. For the Z3 v it has been blocked. Also, the difference between gaining root & and unlocking the boot is massive, Do not expect to get unlocked boots on the Z3 v, There has not even been a working kexec on locked devices for a few years.
Anyway, apologies for the hijack of the thread. My post are for info only
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It definitely gives the Z3v an unlock code when you select the Z3 and type in your ESN here: http://developer.sonymobile.com/unlockbootloader/unlock-yourboot-loader/
I just think we are missing something within our fastboot to put it to use.
Regarding the DRM keys, there is a program in the Z3 section that allows you to back them up and restore them after unlocking the bootloader. So if we can utilize the unlock code we don't have to worry about sacrificing the keys.
jal3223 said:
It definitely gives the Z3v an unlock code when you select the Z3 and type in your ESN here: http://developer.sonymobile.com/unlockbootloader/unlock-yourboot-loader/
I just think we are missing something within our fastboot to put it to use.
Regarding the DRM keys, there is a program in the Z3 section that allows you to back them up and restore them after unlocking the bootloader. So if we can utilize the unlock code we don't have to worry about sacrificing the keys.
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That site will always give you a code, that's not the issue. the carrier has it blocked, and no one has bypassed 'Bootloader unlock allowed: No' in about 3 years, and no one is working on it, because if any serious Dev wants an unlocked boot, they just go and buy a device where it is allowed.
Also, DRM restore does not restore the actual keys, once gone they are gone forever. What that process does is to return SOME of the functions that relied on the keys, and not to 100% working like before unlocking. The trick there is that SOME of the functions just checked if DRM keys were present as opposed to actually checking what they were. Hence spoofing some keys enabled SOME functions to partially work again. Better than nothing but not like having the actual keys there. Once Sony knows this they will tighten up the security. Expect this not to work on future devices.
Again, apologies for this, but this has been discussed ad nauseum for 2 years in various xperia devices and nothing has changed yet...
gregbradley said:
That site will always give you a code, that's not the issue. the carrier has it blocked, and no one has bypassed 'Bootloader unlock allowed: No' in about 3 years, and no one is working on it, because if any serious Dev wants an unlocked boot, they just go and buy a device where it is allowed.
Also, DRM restore does not restore the actual keys, once gone they are gone forever. What that process does is to return SOME of the functions that relied on the keys, and not to 100% working like before unlocking. The trick there is that SOME of the functions just checked if DRM keys were present as opposed to actually checking what they were. Hence spoofing some keys enabled SOME functions to partially work again. Better than nothing but not like having the actual keys there. Once Sony knows this they will tighten up the security. Expect this not to work on future devices.
Again, apologies for this, but this has been discussed ad nauseum for 2 years in various xperia devices and nothing has changed yet...
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Thank you for clearing all of that up. This is my first Xperia device, so I'm still learning the ins and outs.
jal3223 said:
Thank you for clearing all of that up. This is my first Xperia device, so I'm still learning the ins and outs.
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No worries Everyone has to learn about new devices.... I will be out of my depth I ever leave Sony.
I had my tablet reset and installed from scratch yesterday. It restored my apps from my google account and both Netflix and Amazon Prime were installed.
Weird: Netflix was installed, but once I click on it, it says that it's incompatible with this version, please Update. I can't update, because it doesn't even turn up in the play store. Amazon Prime Video starts, shows available content in HD, a movie plays, but only audio, no video, just a black screen. DRM info said that it's L1 security, so everything should work in terms of DRM.
However, PlayStore says that the device is Uncertified. Disabling, clearing data and cache didn't make a change.
System Software is up to date and I have no idea where to start looking.
Just to make sure that this is not the culprit, I made a full reset of the device AND relocked the bootloader, so this should be a device like factory new.
Yet, PlayStore uncertified, no Netflix, black picture in Amazon Prime HD. I am really tempted to just throw this device out of the window.
DF5JT said:
Just to make sure that this is not the culprit, I made a full reset of the device AND relocked the bootloader, so this should be a device like factory new.
Yet, PlayStore uncertified, no Netflix, black picture in Amazon Prime HD. I am really tempted to just throw this device out of the window.
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Never assume relocking bootloader makes it stock.
Efuses and DRM keysxare common, and once they are blown/wiped, it's game over, you will never return to stock
CrazyPeter said:
Never assume relocking bootloader makes it stock.
Efuses and DRM keysxare common, and once they are blown/wiped, it's game over, you will never return to stock
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You do have something to back your assumption up with, say, facts?
What are the manufacturers, what supports your claim in term of engineer analysis?
Where can I read about it?
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You do have something to back your assumption up with, say, facts?
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The fact that you've unlocked, relocked but Playstore says uncertified and you're having these problems?
Don't have a go at someone trying to help you out, fella. CrazyPeter is only suggesting the possibility that once you're unlocked, that's it: it's highly possible that "re-locking" doesn't undo something that's used by apps to detect non-stock. It's not for him to prove that's true, he's only trying to help. You should have done your own research before unlocking.
I'd been through this before too. If you unlocked bootloader, your tablet will fail safetynet test. Playstore wouldn't let you install or update netflix.
I tried relock bootloader and it passed safetynet, Netflix will come up in Playstore and allowed to install. It worked fine with HD streaming. You have to make sure to start from scratch and don't restore from backup after relock bootloader (which factory reset your device anyway)
I went with supposedly best solution, unlocked bootloader , stay with stock recovery and just fastboot patched ramdisk for magisk installation. In the end magisk would make your device pass safetynet and can install netflix and works fine. Also you can recieve an OTA update, and can always patch magisk again on new build.
Don't know about primevideo since I don't use t.
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You do have something to back your assumption up with, say, facts?
What are the manufacturers, what supports your claim in term of engineer analysis?
Where can I read about it?
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https://www.androidpolice.com/2015/...have-efuses-and-why-should-i-care-about-them/
https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-Z3/DRM-Keys-Restore-after-Relock-Bootloader/td-p/890849#gref
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.....I went with supposedly best solution, unlocked bootloader , stay with stock recovery and just fastboot patched ramdisk for magisk installation. In the end magisk would make your device pass safetynet and can install netflix and works fine. Also you can recieve an OTA update, and can always patch magisk again on new build.
Don't know about primevideo since I don't use t.
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This is the solution I followed when I initially unlocked my bootloader.
Hulu, Amazon Prime and Netflix all work.
whih device was this on?
a US device (WIFI only?) or an international/Chinese device with LTE/4G?
I am about to purchase a Chinese version in order to get LTE and I am wondering whether I will be unable to download and watch netflix?
I got my CMR-W09 (wifi) tablet today and I can confirm it plays Amazon Prime and Vudu in HD. I don't have an account with Netflix so I could not check it. The Vudu app shows that some of my movies in my wishlist are in UHD (4K). I did not check being I would have to pay for them.
Seems so bizarre to me that Google, Netflix, Amazon, etc., would be encouraging piracy by banning their paying customers from using the service. I'm honestly at a loss for words.
I had this issue on my Note 3, which can't pass SafetyNet as it's under my control, not Google's. When Netflix started requiring SafetyNet, I emailed for a confirmation. That was the end of our 9 year business relationship; I am no longer a customer.
I subscribed to YouTube Red, as (ironically) they still seem to value their engineering customers. However, should they follow suit, that business relationship will end as well, and I'll find someone else to spend my money with.
I know it can be tough, but I do encourage everyone affected by DRM to cancel their subscriptions, and take their business elsewhere.
If you do, just make sure you contact the company's Sales / Marketing team (definitely not tech support!). Explain to them in very clear, polite terms exactly why you'll be switching to their competitor, and that you'll be back if they ever decide to correct the situation.
I'm also completely stock (never been rooted etc) and exact same issues with Amazon Video.
Only thing that might cause issues is my ad blocker (Adclear), but having uninstalled that I have the same issue.
I'd be keen to know if you resolve as Google searches don't throw up much, and unfortunately the thread I started hasn't produced any solutions either!
So..... I was on the phone to Amazon support and was playing with my settings....
I use a "corner round" app to make the tablet screen more visually appealing - as soon as I disable it, Prime Video works!
So, if you have anything that creates a screen overlay, try disabling it and using Netflix / Prime video. Give it a try!
Best,
You guys know that huawei already made the update through OTA that netflix can run HD and prime video as well right?