OK, this is beginning to give me the s**ts. Where are all the sources to the stuff that is being posted up here? I have been trying to build (rebuild) some of the ROMS on here, if for no other reason than to check there is no dodgy code in them, but also to learn from what everyone has done.
This is supposed to be a DEVELOPMENT forum, where source code is shared and discussed. Not a bazaar where the posters do a bit of hocus-pocus putting together roms from binaries of unknown source code. They fall like crumbs from the majestic sages, that do even more unknown hocus-pocus and cast them down to the unwashed masses to oooh and aahh at, as they give homage to the great compilers in the sky. What is this? Job security?
I have no idea what the legals are around this and I don't really care. The point is that the spirit of the GPL is you post sources (or patches against standard sources) along with any binaries. The binaries are only there to save us the bother of recompiling. The source is what is important in this forum. How else are others going to improve on the code if they can't see it?
I have posted on a couple of threads and/or contacted various people on here, most of whose response is "oh I didn't compile the actual source code, I just stuck it together from the binaries". One of them (thanks kevinlekiller) was kind enough to at least give me rundown on what he did (as best as he could remember - bit of a worry!), but even he didn't have access to the source code. Maybe I haven't looked in the right place, but it shouldn't be this frigging hard - it should be front and centre.
If I had my way, I would ban every ROM post that didn't have a clear link back to all the sources. That's what github etc is for!
Please, please, people, post the source first, binaries can be an afterthought. If you don't have access to the source code, then I reckon it shouldn't be here - who knows what in there? One of these days someone is going to innocently distribute some nefarious program with a ROM. It really isn't that hard to compile a ROM - takes about half an hour on my Linux laptop.
This is actually standard xda-developers policy: see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=45 but seems to be widely ignored.
OK, I'll get off my soapbox now.
Edit: I realise this doesn't apply to everyone, some people are great about posting sources.
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Wrong section buddy
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Huh? You're joking right? I'm discussing the sources not being available in this section, the source is a development topic. Hmm maybe this is such a common complaint that there is a separate section created for it. Sorry I'm getting crabby.
What section should it go in?
You take 30mins , mine takes 2h - it's different for everyone......
Furthermore , if they're basing a ROM off a ROM , what sources are there to be published ?
Furthermore , the sources can already be found online if you want CM7/AOSP:
http://github.com/teamhacksung/android_device_samsung_cooper
Herpderp Defy.
ok man make a rom then talk to us. most of roms here are like this u got new app,launcher and theme voila new rom is posted(no offense).so they cant give you source code.they make roms from the prebuilt ones like using stock or cm7 as base .most of the developers which made roms from source code had there github accounts link in there username ok i agree there are one or two developer who dont share but that dose not mean everyone here is just like them.ok
1.i can make a rom.
2.but i will not make a one unless i compiled it from source code.
3.sure i will share its source code.
i agree a little bit with you
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You take 30mins , mine takes 2h - it's different for everyone......
Furthermore , if they're basing a ROM off a ROM , what sources are there to be published ?
Furthermore , the sources can already be found online if you want CM7/AOSP:
http://github.com/teamhacksung/android_device_samsung_cooper
Herpderp Defy.
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Finally. Thank you! A link to the source code (actually the config files is just what I looking for).
So, since I have your attention, I see a couple of roms from people like vo-1, what is he doing just compiling the source (I have asked him, no reply)?
On the ROMS based on ROMS thing, while there is technically no source code you put through a compiler - there is still source - it is a list of all the changes made to that ROM.
I also can't believe people don't seem to use any sort of build environment - as in a build script - how else are we going to document what's been done and/or recreate it?
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ok man make a rom then talk to us. most of roms here are like this u got new app,launcher and theme voila new rom is posted(no offense).so they cant give you source code.they make roms from the prebuilt ones like using stock or cm7 as base .most of the developers which made roms from source code had there github accounts link in there username ok i agree there are one or two developer who dont share but that dose not mean everyone here is just like them.ok
1.i can make a rom.
2.but i will not make a one unless i compiled it from source code.
3.sure i will share its source code.
i agree a little bit with you
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Yes I agree this does not apply to everyone. Some people do post source. I suppose my frustration was the source seemed to be forgotten and it shouldn't be so hard to track it down. Maybe I have spent too much time in the Linux world, where source code is king.
I will kick off a make on the source that EmoBoiix3 linked to (thanks mate) and see where we go from there!
A lot of roms here are based off other roms. So much they don't build it themselves, just some editing of the zip.
Other developers merely want to save the technobabble since most xda users are blind to programming.
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Huh? You're joking right? I'm discussing the sources not being available in this section, the source is a development topic. Hmm maybe this is such a common complaint that there is a separate section created for it. Sorry I'm getting crabby.
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still wrong section
this aint a source
this is a discusion so its supposed to be in general section
Should be in general section IMO.
But I fully agree with the OP. It is true lots of ROMs here are "cooked" from other ROMs and are not "developed" denovo. They are "theme" packs.
But for example we have two groups actively working on builds of CM 7.2, they each seem to be building from source and tweaking fixes in. It would really help if everyone used github. Pull a source, build, fix and commit to your fork. Anyone else can see what you changed, what revision of the tree you used, and can learn from your work and it could perhaps inspire them to fix something else, to contribute back to make *your* build better.
Sharing your code, even if it is just 5 line hack on teamhacksung / cyanogenmod /AOSP source, honours the GPL and helps our community grow stronger.
The GalaxyICS team is a great example, I can see where they've pulled their sources, what (hard) work they've done in what components. They are contributing all their work and knowledge back. And their fixes can be pulled into other projects easily, speeding up development and sharing that knowledge for everyone.
A phone like the Ace continually loses developers as they migrate to "better" phones, and we really need to share as much knowledge as possible to keep our software
Sometimes , changes just cannot be shown.....like framework-res tweaks!
Herpderp Defy.
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Sometimes , changes just cannot be shown.....like framework-res tweaks!
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What sort of tweaks are you thinking of? If it's a replaced image file, then that can be a separate file copied in with a script. If it's a changed text file, that can be done with patch or sed.
Let me give you an example of what I did with kevinlekiller's The End 2.5o rom. He based it on a vo-1 rom and did a fair number of replacing files, odexing etc. I produced this bash script (attached) along with his extra (binary) sources which I think replicated what he did. Self documenting! Everyone can see what is in there, maybe even change it again.
More details towards the bottom of this page: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1440396&page=31
I see where you are coming from and I sympathize. I'm not a developer, because I don't have the time and patience to work on source code , compile , debug etc.
The Rom's we have for the Galaxy Ace are already very good, the developers that have worked on them have/had the time and patience to iron out most the issues. So for me to try to come out with something better would seem futile.
I still like customizing these Rom's to a way that work better for me, and it doesn't involve having to spend lots of time, because like I said they are already very good. So it just ends up that a few files are added or changed.
Is that a bad thing? I think those that think it is should just not use those types of Rom's, everyone has a right to their opinion.
At first when you asked me for sources, I thought you meant the source code, since I already listed everything that was used in the first post. But then I realized you wanted direct sources (links) to those files. This is something I will do in the future, post the links of every file, I agree with you , things should be more documented, it would save everyone time instead of trial and error and possibly even giving up.
Anyways, I should conclude here, it is getting a long read.
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What sort of tweaks are you thinking of? If it's a replaced image file, then that can be a separate file copied in with a script. If it's a changed text file, that can be done with patch or sed.
Let me give you an example of what I did with kevinlekiller's The End 2.5o rom. He based it on a vo-1 rom and did a fair number of replacing files, odexing etc. I produced this bash script (attached) along with his extra (binary) sources which I think replicated what he did. Self documenting! Everyone can see what is in there, maybe even change it again.
More details towards the bottom of this page: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1440396&page=31
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nice script, thats for sure
but u shouldnt expect everyone to be as geeky and provide such build script.
theres a big different between "providing source" that is mandatory by forum rules and "providing howto step by step" like in your script.
hell most of the roms (the one that is based on previous precompiled rom) were created 100% on windows machine without even touching linux, and maybe the rom creator (modder) doesnt have any clue what in the world is linux. maybe they even dont know that their windows machine do have terminal (cmd). so arent u asking for too much?
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nice script, thats for sure
but u shouldnt expect everyone to be as geeky and provide such build script.
theres a big different between "providing source" that is mandatory by forum rules and "providing howto step by step" like in your script.
hell most of the roms (the one that is based on previous precompiled rom) were created 100% on windows machine without even touching linux, and maybe the rom creator (modder) doesnt have any clue what in the world is linux. maybe they even dont know that their windows machine do have terminal (cmd). so arent u asking for too much?
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Actually I only have 1 windows pc, all my other PC's are ubuntu / linux mint installed on them. I use windows on the main PC because most of my games work on it.
Edit: And, I didn't take offense to your post , it is valid, most people have no clue about linux.
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Actually I only have 1 windows pc, all my other PC's are ubuntu / linux mint installed on them. I use windows on the main PC because most of my games work on it.
Edit: And, I didn't take offense to your post , it is valid, most people have no clue about linux.
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and no offence intended and sorry if anyone feels my post abit too offending
my point is a rom created from previous precompiled rom can be created 100% on windows machine.
in that case the rom also doesnt have sourcecode because it were created from already precompiled rom.
so if the modder just give a valid link to what he put/change it still suites the forum rules to provide source.
let say i've modded a cm rom, i've include ketuts oc kernel, i've include a launcher, and a filemanger, and a theme.
so if i just provide a valid link to the original cm rom, a link to ketuts oc kernel thread, a market link to the launcher, the filemanager and the theme, thats a valid source because the rom were modded from binary precompiled rom/kernel/launcher/filemanager/theme.
so the link to those binary precompiled rom/kernel/launcher/filemanager/theme is a valid "source".
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This is supposed to be a DEVELOPMENT forum, where source code is shared and discussed. Not a bazaar where the posters do a bit of hocus-pocus putting together roms from binaries of unknown source code.
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I agree. There are two groups of devs:
"Real" developers. They provide repo links and detailed changelogs.
Modders. They should provide repo links and detailed changelogs.
A repo has the benefit of allowing peer review. Peer review improves code quality just like user tests and their reports do. Afterall, this is what XDA is about.
What I like about XDA is how people eagerly send in "works" notes. Not much information, but better than just trying out and telling nobody.
Exactly guys......it seems cyanogenmod has become the only alternative and devs here are only editing it and bringing out new firmware versions. Some also edit stock roms..........but no one here gave a thought of creating a new genre of custom rom right from source.
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Exactly guys......it seems cyanogenmod has become the only alternative and devs here are only editing it and bringing out new firmware versions. Some also edit stock roms..........but no one here gave a thought of creating a new genre of custom rom right from source.
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its not as easy as it sounds, thats why the two main dogs are miui and cyanogenmod.
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nice script, thats for sure
but u shouldnt expect everyone to be as geeky and provide such build script.
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I get that. I essentially built an interpreter and a source file (the build instructions). Way too much for most. However I think it would be great as developers if we provided be packaging tools so that others can use them and provide repeatable builds and automatically documented builds ("read the source luke").
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theres a big different between "providing source" that is mandatory by forum rules and "providing howto step by step" like in your script.
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Agreed, it isn't mandatory, however for the purposes of educating and peer-review it would be great. So my challenge is to make this easy for people.
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hell most of the roms (the one that is based on previous precompiled rom) were created 100% on windows machine without even touching linux, and maybe the rom creator (modder) doesnt have any clue what in the world is linux. maybe they even dont know that their windows machine do have terminal (cmd). so arent u asking for too much?
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So we need a graphical version for Windows..
Hello there guys,
As we all know we only have 3? 4? developers for the HOX+ . And they are really doing all they can to help keep the phone upto date.
But as we all know they are all busy and can't update their roms that much any longer.
EDIT: Lloir already has a guide : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2187266 but I don't think he covers how to fix camera and gps and stuff
So! Is it possible to make guide on how to compile the rom from the source? I know tombridden and lloir already made a one post guide on how to build some roms but it was too specific.
I now have an extra machine (a laptop) with 500gb free storage and ubuntu as the main OS. It's quite powerful too with 6gb RAM and i7. So Why not use it to help the community while others are busy? In the meantime I will look around for some guides for other phones but I don't think they will help that much.
And please include the answers to those questions if you make a guide:
1- What to do to fix camera/GPS/wifi/Data/sensors ?
2- What approach should I take when compiling a new ROM. For example: there are no developers for PACMAN , how will it differ during compiling between it and AOKP/CM/AOSP .
I am talking about a rom that wasn't approached by Lloir so he won't have the repos for them. What to do then?
Thanks a lot and I can't wait to help
@Lloir @tombriden @PippoX3 @mike1986. and any other developer out there.
you can start by looking at XDA-University
The reply is correct. All of us moved first steps studying at XDA University.
Anyway the case is more complex than others.
For this device there are really few developers. Other device have a lot of support from constructors, many dev and the team-work result in a lot of kernels/roms to flash for the final user.
If you wanna taste the happyness for build a rom, I'll send you a guide to setup your ubuntu, download the sources and build.
But in this case, where enrc2b is not officially support, the things are more difficult.
You must have a minimal practical with java, cpp, android and kernel code (if so).
For the moment I'm in trouble to build an AOKP 4.2.2 with new kernel. I haven't device to try, 'cause the hard is build&&try continuosly.
Not the fact to have a pc turned on for hours and hours.... and the eyes&&mind open for hours and hours... but the patience to continuously try time after time.
Now I am in a dead point... many users like have S2W enable on new CM kernel... but.... the kernel won't!
Thanks a lot anyway. Thanks to @Lloir, @tombriden, @maxwen and alls who's workin' for this device.
Stay tuned....
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The reply is correct. All of us moved first steps studying at XDA University.
Anyway the case is more complex than others.
For this device there are really few developers. Other device have a lot of support from constructors, many dev and the team-work result in a lot of kernels/roms to flash for the final user.
If you wanna taste the happyness for build a rom, I'll send you a guide to setup your ubuntu, download the sources and build.
But in this case, where enrc2b is not officially support, the things are more difficult.
You must have a minimal practical with java, cpp, android and kernel code (if so).
For the moment I'm in trouble to build an AOKP 4.2.2 with new kernel. I haven't device to try, 'cause the hard is build&&try continuosly.
Not the fact to have a pc turned on for hours and hours.... and the eyes&&mind open for hours and hours... but the patience to continuously try time after time.
Now I am in a dead point... many users like have S2W enable on new CM kernel... but.... the kernel won't!
Thanks a lot anyway. Thanks to @Lloir, @tombriden, @maxwen and alls who's workin' for this device.
Stay tuned....
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That's what i did already. I set up the periphals/kernel/device info GITs and now i am looking for the roms, I found CM and stuff but I can't find PURE AOSP , does that mean i must download it and upload it?
I also have Oracle java installed. Do I have to have open JDK?
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That's what i did already. I set up the periphals/kernel/device info GITs and now i am looking for the roms, I found CM and stuff but I can't find PURE AOSP , does that mean i must download it and upload it?
I also have Oracle java installed. Do I have to have open JDK?
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https://github.com/pure-aosp/android
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https://github.com/pure-aosp/android
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Now that we begin to have a solid CM base, will possible to build at least CM for enrc2b for noobs too.
And eventually "port" device/kernel" parts to others platforms. So who like e.g. PA can do...
If you agree, I can paste my personal appoints to a guide, from client setup (Sun java don't works) to the build zip rom.
Updated and corrected to last KK.
PippoX3 said:
Now that we begin to have a solid CM base, will possible to build at least CM for enrc2b for noobs too.
And eventually "port" device/kernel" parts to others platforms. So who like e.g. PA can do...
If you agree, I can paste my personal appoints to a guide, from client setup (Sun java don't works) updated and corrected to last KK.
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Go for it. Saves me doing it which I was about to do
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Hello friend's (Buda1996 and Fera Volt)
We will try to make our own OS.
Our goal is to :
1.Make a gaming OS
2.Make a diffrent UI
3.Make it for X10 first
4.we will plan whats next
We need your help:
1.We need one application developer.(For one custome app)
2.We need at least two good designers who can work on a completely new UI based on android.
3.Donations would be aprecieted if u can contribute to Buda1996 and FeraVolt as we need some new equipment(HDD,CPU,GPU etc..)
Who ever wants to help us in this project make your contribution here in advices help any posssible way u can think of.
Thank you we realy apreciete it.
TEAM MEMBER'S:
DEVELOPERS:
Buda1996 (Spike Lab)
FeraVolt (Fera Lab)
Contributors:
a2441918(Lending the awesome server)
Themer's/Designer's:
NONE NEED 3
What have we done:
1.We have a Base(IT BOOT's and more)
2.We have a Rom control apkWhat will we do:
1.Make our own Engine (SPL Engine + Fera Lab Engine)
2.Make whole new UI
3.Make an advanced kernel
4.Create custome update center
5.Many more...
XDA:DevDB Information
Black OS, ROM for the Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10
Contributors
Buda1996, FeraVolt
ROM OS Version: 4.1.x Jelly Bean
ROM Kernel: Linux 2.6.x
Based On: Google
Version Information
Status: Testing
Created 2014-05-07
Last Updated 2014-05-08
Do you need testers? Cz that's all i can help with but i can push my limits to development if you can guide me through
I can help you with the server but I can lend you mine.
what do you mean by server
2 great developers in 1 rom...this would be GREAT! :good: I can be a tester if you want me to.
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2 great developers in 1 rom...this would be GREAT! :good: I can be a tester if you want me to.
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dude you are right... 2 great devs, which means much more wonders...
Good luck for your new rom fera & spike.. :laugh: :good:
Thank u we need testers and one more designer
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Thank u we need testers and one more designer
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What do u want the designer to do?
Like what u need in UI? Just a theme or different launcher style?
a whole new UI so system apps theming new animations etc...
if u can help thanks
Though I wish, I could help you in some ways, But at the moment I am unable to help as I am new to this android world(6 months almost)
But gonna appreciate your work & will see if I could help you.
Keep it up, All the best :thumbup:
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thanks
Could we have a general thread to talk about it ?
What do you mean with new OS ? something different than Android ? compatible with apks ?
Testing
I would gladly help with testing! That's the only thing I know how to do around development It's always nice to see development on X10.
Will you be working on a 3.x kernel? Because without it all the work is pointless for such a big and ambicious project! As the 2.6.x kernel is SERIOUSLY out of date.
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I would gladly help with testing! That's the only thing I know how to do around development It's always nice to see development on X10.
Will you be working on a 3.x kernel? Because without it all the work is pointless for such a big and ambicious project! As the 2.6.x kernel is SERIOUSLY out of date.
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Contributors
Buda1996, FeraVolt
ROM OS Version: 4.1.x Jelly Bean
ROM Kernel: Linux 2.6.x
Based On: Google
i agree that a 3.x kernel would be really useful , but it can be a different project . it needs time ( much time ) , and it is not that easy to make a new kernel and port correctly all the drivers ...
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What have we done:
1.We have a Base(IT BOOT's and more)
2.We have a Rom control apk
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you say that you have a base , is it built from source or it is based on other rom ?
is there any source code ? i've only seen kernel and rom on fera's github , but i think that rom is not for this project
Missed that part!
I completely agree with you, porting a kernel is very vary hard work and takes different programming knowledge than working on a ROM. Why I'm saying this about 3.x kernel, As it's stated in the beginning of the OP this ROM will be made first for X10 (as both contributors are active for X10 - used both of there ROMs and both are great ) and then for other phones too. I perceive the goal will be newer phones? And all of those use 3.x kernel.
On another note, Tof37 made a 3.0.8 kernel for X10. It boots but there are still many many problems. The thread on that kernel has been dead for over a month, so I suppose the development has stopped. But it could be a great point to start from!
Here, go through this and this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2608856
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2666426
Basically what I am saying is that time invested in making a 3.x kernel is a good investment.
This is a big and ambitious project and I support you guys all the way! Please be persistent with this, one day you might be as big as MIUI and CM!
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Missed that part!
I completely agree with you, porting a kernel is very vary hard work and takes different programming knowledge than working on a ROM. Why I'm saying this about 3.x kernel, As it's stated in the beginning of the OP this ROM will be made first for X10 (as both contributors are active for X10 - used both of there ROMs and both are great ) and then for other phones too. I perceive the goal will be newer phones? And all of those use 3.x kernel.
On another note, Tof37 made a 3.0.8 kernel for X10. It boots but there are still many many problems. The thread on that kernel has been dead for over a month, so I suppose the development has stopped. But it could be a great point to start from!
Here, go through this and this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2608856
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2666426
Basically what I am saying is that time invested in making a 3.x kernel is a good investment.
This is a big and ambitious project and I support you guys all the way! Please be persistent with this, one day you might be as big as MIUI and CM!
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Development is not stopped ... I'm just getting stuck with wifi and BT problems with this kernel ...
@Buda1996 and @FeraVolt
Feel free to use my sources for 3.0.8 kernel
I wish I could help with this project but I don't have much time those days.
Regards,
Tof37
Let show to the world that an old device can work long due to a community of developers. I guess we need a new kernel.
Thanks Tof37, those are great news good luck with your work!
hi buda1996 & feravolt, any development in your Black OS project?