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Hello,
I wish to use Android without Google. I mean, android without any google apps (gapps pack) installed just after flashing AOSP rom. I already identify and tested all alternatives apps of Google apps I used. I use already the alternative android market F-Droid. However, before use Android without Google, I want to know feedback of users that already do it. In particular about my question:
What are the constraints, bugs and disadvantages while using Android without Google installed?
Thanks
F droid is a good alternative but of course you have less apps
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jonathanxx1 said:
F droid is a good alternative but of course you have less apps
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yes, you have less apps
There are fewer apps, and they work great but you may need to look for other services to replace Google's unless you want to run the web apps (see Gapps Browser). An excellent choice is owncloud: see http://sufficientlysecure.org/index.php/2013/11/26/an-android-without-google/ for a short guide to replacing contact, calendar, todo and password sync.
I think the major downside is losing the advanced location functionality and push notifications available to apps that use Google Play Services. On the other hand your battery may thank you for not using it. Xmpp based messaging apps are a little battery hungry but not too bad. I've been using CM without Gapps for ages, and it works fine, but I'm hoping OmniROm will be more friendly.
jonathan and thmls : off initial topic
dab : nice feedback, great link
Android without Google (no gapps)
No Gapps project on XDA : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1715375
Hi guys, has anyone seen a list of all Google apps and services that can be disabled or deleted? I love the skinned ROM on my phone and all the features, I've started disabling and uninstalling as much Google as I can.
Hey it's ridiculous to buy a Google android device and not use the apps that are considered the advantage of android on other OSes. But a good alternative to Google play is amazon appstore
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I disagree. When Google branded Android phones had a smaller market share, I would say there was more choice, you could avoid Google. Now that they dominate smartphone sales and change their policies it's different. It's becoming a monopoly and we are losing that choice.
Yeah I did try the Amazon app store, re-downloading it now to give it another go...
philippe734 said:
Hello,
I wish to use Android without Google. I mean, android without any google apps (gapps pack) installed just after flashing AOSP rom. I already identify and tested all alternatives apps of Google apps I used. I use already the alternative android market F-Droid. However, before use Android without Google, I want to know feedback of users that already do it. In particular about my question:
What are the constraints, bugs and disadvantages while using Android without Google installed?
Thanks
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a lot of paid apps with lvl license control wont work without gapps
Problems
From the author of the No Google apps project:
MaR-V-iN said:
Android without Google apps have several problems:
Some apps do not install because of missing Google Maps API
Some apps fc at startup bacause of missing Maps API or market license check issues
Some apps hardcoded links to several Google Apps and therefor fc or react unexpectedly on certain cases.
No access to Play Store (i tried nearly every alternative market, but nothing is as good for free apps as play store) Meanwhile, F-Droid provides nearly everything you need
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Why not just use 1Mobile Market. Completely legal play store alternative. Even has all the Google apps like maps and Google services if you so desire. (defeats the purpose I know). I went this route as I want total control of my devices. Google has got out of hand with their apps and Play Services Framework and whatever else they cram in. The apps on 1Mobile Market are more up to date than the Amazon App store also which sometimes can be multiple versions behind. So just flash AOSP, grab the 1Mobile Market APK (Google it) and go to town.
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It seems by no merit random apps are "incompatible" with the tablet. Anyone know why? I have play store installed and I'm rooted, so I'm just gonna try to force install some. For example, Google Keep is incompatible. Or Google Now Launcher. Yelp, Wells Fargo, an app for my school, Weatherbug, all examples of things "incompatible".
Hobox10 said:
It seems by no merit random apps are "incompatible" with the tablet. Anyone know why? I have play store installed and I'm rooted, so I'm just gonna try to force install some. For example, Google Keep is incompatible. Or Google Now Launcher. Yelp, Wells Fargo, an app for my school, Weatherbug, all examples of things "incompatible".
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Samsung, HTC, and yes, Amazon all have their "flavours" of android. Apps that run on one of these may not be entirely supported on others.
I cannot install Yelp or Google+ from the store but I have sideloaded them and they're fine. Try and find downloadable apks and install them to see if they'll work.
Download one mobile app the wells Fargo app from there works
earlgrey_44 said:
Samsung, HTC, and yes, Amazon all have their "flavours" of android. Apps that run on one of these may not be entirely supported on others.
I cannot install Yelp or Google+ from the store but I have sideloaded them and they're fine. Try and find downloadable apks and install them to see if they'll work.
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Alright, just wanted to see if maybe Amazon actually removed core android pieces to intentionally break those types of apps or something.
Do you hate Google Play Services and would rather not install it?
It's a well known fact that Google Play Services is a battery-eating monster, which cannot be tamed in any easy way.
Many prefer to simply get rid of it and forget about it, just like me!
This module is in no way a replacement for Google Play Services!
Some apps show annoying dialogs saying you need to install it, but in reality the app doesn't always require it (Snapchat is a good example).
This module disables the error dialog and notification APIs from Google and replaces them with nothing.
You can find the compatible apps list HERE.
Enjoy Google Play Services-free experience!
Compatible with all Android versions from 2.3 'Gingerbread' to 5.0 'Lollipop'.
Download: This App Will Run Without Google Play Services on Xposed Module Repository
Donations welcome! (via the donation button here on XDA)
XDA:DevDB Information
This App Will Run Without Google Play Services, Xposed for the Xposed Framework
Contributors
XspeedPL
Xposed Package Name: xeed.xposed.dngmod
Version Information
Status: Stable
Current Stable Version: 1.0
Stable Release Date: 2015-03-14
Created 2015-03-14
Last Updated 2016-03-07
Apps reported to work:
Maps
My Vodafone
Skyward
Snapchat (first login requires Google Play Services, can remove it after)
Viber
Apps reported to NOT work:
Gmail (alternative: CloudMagic)
Inbox
YouTube (alternative: Viral)
Already loving the idea about this. Have a list of which apps besides Snapchat? Would be nice if Google apps can get bypass this like voice.
Zaiaku said:
Already loving the idea about this. Have a list of which apps besides Snapchat? Would be nice if Google apps can get bypass this like voice.
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Sadly, no. I made this just with Snapchat in mind
But keeping a list of supported apps is a good idea, I'll try to find as many as I can.
cool
this is an amazing idea bcz google play service drain my battery
what do you advice me uninstalling it or freezing it ?
vip57 said:
this is an amazing idea bcz google play service drain my battery
what do you advice me uninstalling it or freezing it ?
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I personally uninstalled it and removed all traces of it from my phone.
Because YouTube app doesn't want to work, I installed Viral instead.
What if I installed Google play services, and I wanted to use Location or GPS, would that handle it ?
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What if I installed Google play services, and I wanted to use Location or GPS, would that handle it ?
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This module isn't a replacement for Google Play Services (yet?).
However my phone's (XSP) GPS and aGPS works flawlessly without it somehow.
I was thinking of making this module simulate some functions in the API, but those are future plans.
nice idea! but it does not work with gmail? i still get the error message. i wish it could work with gmail and play store.
welp, restored my rom backup for now. still looking forward for future updates
this could be module of the year 2015 if this module can replace play services
XspeedPL said:
This module isn't a replacement for Google Play Services (yet?).
However my phone's (XSP) GPS and aGPS works flawlessly without it somehow.
I was thinking of making this module simulate some functions in the API, but those are future plans.
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Does maps work without google play services?
Btw an awesome module
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How can I removed play service?
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koradiavatsal said:
Does maps work without google play services?
Btw an awesome module
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Maps work even without this module without Google Play Services
089man said:
How can I removed play service?
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First, you remove all updates from Google Play Services.
Then, you can use an app like THIS ONE to remove the system app.
Inbox doesn't work :crying:
Really nice idea however I can't live without gmail though
Viber is working when I deleted play services though
zach_95 said:
Really nice idea however I can't live without gmail though
Viber is working when I deleted play services though
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I'm sure there are better alternatives for a Google Mail client than Gmail
XspeedPL said:
I'm sure there are better alternatives for a Google Mail client than Gmail
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Never thought that heh. I'll test out more apps
zach_95 said:
Never thought that heh. I'll test out more apps
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Yeah! In example, Viral is a cool alternative for the laggy YouTube app
XspeedPL said:
Yeah! In example, Viral is a cool alternative for the laggy YouTube app
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Cool! Maybe you can edit in op and write alternative apps too that way people wouldn't be too hesitant.
XspeedPL said:
This module isn't a replacement for Google Play Services (yet?).
However my phone's (XSP) GPS and aGPS works flawlessly without it somehow.
I was thinking of making this module simulate some functions in the API, but those are future plans.
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Thanks Bro,
Good luck, i'm gonna try it anyways, and I hope you could completely replace google services
Hi!
I want to purchase the Greenify license. I have no GAPPS and I don't want to install them. For example, I purchased the licenses XPrivacy and IM+ from their authors through PayPal. Can i purchase the license for Greenify through PayPal, Visa or WebMoney(WMZ)?
a same question here, greenify is the most important app for me, without this, my HTC One E8 lasts less then 1 day with normal usage.
I am a Chinese user, I don't want GAPPS, but I want to buy greenify, what shall I do?
kokos76 said:
Hi!
I want to purchase the Greenify license. I have no GAPPS and I don't want to install them. For example, I purchased the licenses XPrivacy and IM+ from their authors through PayPal. Can i purchase the license for Greenify through PayPal, Visa or WebMoney(WMZ)?
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You must have some Android won't function without some, like playstore manager and others. I've the bare minimum myself but as they have moved parts of the OS into the app store it means that you need some Gapps to function. They do this so they can keep the code secret if it's *an app *. So much for being an open OS.
I hope that this happens, I'm about to remove Gapps from my phone and I've purchased the donation package.
It hurts to say this, but I probably have to pirate new Greenify releases after after removing propriety Google software from my phone.
greenify add on after factory reset
I had to factory reset due to my own ineptitude with the homescreen mixup I created (
When getting the greenify app back I had to pay AGAIN for the add-ons I previously bought.
Obviously there is no limits of my newcomer ineptitude.
fenneberg said:
I had to factory reset due to my own ineptitude with the homescreen mixup I created (
When getting the greenify app back I had to pay AGAIN for the add-ons I previously bought.
Obviously there is no limits of my newcomer ineptitude.
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If you had logged in to Play Store with the same account through which you purchased earlier, it would have recognised your earlier purchase and you need not have paid again.
jeffreylin_ said:
If you guys could install the Amazon Appstore, that has Greenify with the donation package as an in app purchase.
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Amazon Appstore's apps are updated very rarely, I doubt that Greenify has the latest version either. I've removed the application from my phone entirely.
Musicbee said:
Amazon Appstore's apps are updated very rarely, I doubt that Greenify has the latest version either. I've removed the application from my phone entirely.
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In theory atleast, you can update the Amazon downloaded/purchased Greenify on Play Store. Some people have reported issues with this process and the Dev has provided a solution though that doesn't seem to work for all.
jeffreylin_ said:
The only problem is that he doesn't want to have anything to do with the Play Store.
Guess he'll have to stay a version or two behind.
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If you are talking about the OP, then he wants to donate and get the donate version. So without Play Store, he can not do it, unless by subterfuge.
I don't see greenify app in amazon appstore. I don't think it is there anymore... what was the matter?
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It was removed because the dev had problems with IAPs on Amazon Appstore. If you have downloaded it before, you can still do so.
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Oh I haven't purchased it yet. Since I have some amazon appstore coins, I wanted to pay there rather than paying again in google play... Appreciate your reply!
I have purchased the donation package. As expected, after removing Gapps from my phone the paid features don't work anymore. I had to obtain a working version from unofficial sources.
I didn't see a mention anywhere on the store page that Greenify requires proprietary Google services to run, I should be entitled for a refund.
DRM only hurts the paying customers, pirates use the superior, non-Google dependant Greenify.
Musicbee said:
I have purchased the donation package. As expected, after removing Gapps from my phone the paid features don't work anymore. I had to obtain a working version from unofficial sources.
I didn't see a mention anywhere on the store page that Greenify requires proprietary Google services to run, I should be entitled for a refund.
DRM only hurts the paying customers, pirates use the superior, non-Google dependant Greenify.
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You have some nerve in posting this. Not only you knew that Greenify donate features will not work if Gapps are removed, you went ahead and obtained "a working version from unofficial sources".
So if Greenify is now working for you, why should the donation be returned?
And you complain that Play Store nowhere states that donation features won't work without Gapps as if you didn't know.
Hypocrisy!
Still, the question remains: How to use the "full version" without GApps installed? I still have a Google account and thus could "pay" via it. But it makes no sense for me if I cannot use it.
That "Google Glue" applied by "vending.CHECK_LICENSE" is a real show-stopper. I'm willing to pay/donate, and I've did so with several other apps that came without this glue (and thus working perfect on my "degooglified" devices). I wish I could say the same about Greenify. The free version is nice – but not half as useful as the full version
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Still, the question remains: How to use the "full version" without GApps installed? I still have a Google account and thus could "pay" via it. But it makes no sense for me if I cannot use it.
That "Google Glue" applied by "vending.CHECK_LICENSE" is a real show-stopper. I'm willing to pay/donate, and I've did so with several other apps that came without this glue (and thus working perfect on my "degooglified" devices). I wish I could say the same about Greenify. The free version is nice – but not half as useful as the full version
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Agreed. But I think that it won't work without Google Play Store unless the Dev finds a way around it. And I also think that the 'Google Glue' was applied by Google and not by the Dev.
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Agreed. But I think that it won't work without Google Play Store unless the Dev finds a way around it. And I also think that the 'Google Glue' was applied by Google and not by the Dev.
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There are plenty of ways around it (one is to simply remove the license check altogether, which is what "hackers" do or which could possibly be done using Lucky Patcher – but I don't want to use a hacked version nor the patcher, the latter is too tempting I've bought several "paid apps" that come completely without). And as it wasn't Google who added that piece of code to the app, I have to disagree: there are indeed things not to blame on Google. If a dev decides to use Google licence check (which is performed by the Google Play Store app, hence 'vending.CHECK_LICENSE') (s)he must be aware that the app providing that is required on the device it should run on – and the own app cannot run if not.
Here check this out this may probably help you.
""microG GmsCore is a FLOSS (Free/Libre Open Source Software) framework to allow applications designed for Google Play Services to run on systems, "".....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-microg-gmscore-floss-play-services-t3217616
Hi, I just received my Truesmart + today, and I tried to install the google playstore and while I was able to get the APK into the watch, after it installs the playstore it fails to open.
So basically whenever I press the playstore button it'd open for half a second and the whole program just vanishes like if it got reverted back to the homescreen..... Ive also downloaded several different version of playstore and havent had any luck either...
I was wondering if you guys know if its possible to even install the google play store and get it to run on this model??
The specs of my watch are:
Android Version: 5.1
Baseband version: MOLY.WR8.W1449.MD.WG.MPV5, 2015/08/24 16:00
Kernel Version: 3.10.72
Build Number: Omate_Truesmart+_V1.1
Custom Build Version: OUI 3.0
Please help me out, I dont want to end up with a brick =(
I am curious about this too (was supposed to get mine today but the mailman messed up) Did they not include the OStore or some sort of other app program? Are any apps preloaded?
You'll also notice that you can't add a Google account within Settings-> Accounts.
The only way around that so I'm actually able to add a Google account is by sideloading "Google Services Framework" & "Google Account Manager" (in addition to "Play Services").
However, even with these installed, Play Store still doesn't work - it launches but won't connect.
Hopefully a solution is found.
Until then, I'm fine with using my LG Watch Urbane 2nd Edition LTE.
Pre-installed Apps are pretty sparse:
> Phone
> SMS
> Exchange
> File Manager
> Browser
> Calendar
> Clock
> Gallery
> Downloads
> Contacts
> Search
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*UPDATE*
I've reached out to Laurent LePen (CEO of Omate) & told him the usual method of making the Play Store work (by sideloading the 3 Apps I mentioned) doesn't work on the Omate TrueSmart+. He said they're rolling out an update next week to fix that.
So hopefully, next week it'll work.
*fingers crossed*
Wow, releasing a watch without its own OStore supported seems like a big mistake. Their Facebook discussion also seems to suggest that they'll be pushing an update by the end of the year, so hopefully that holds true.
I was able to install Google search and google now launcher, but google play store won't work without "google play services" and I haven't found a version of that .apk that will not keep crashing on the Truesmart+
Since google play services keeps crashing, the play store stays on a "Checking Info" screen that keeps spinning and spinning...
Same issue here, obviously...
com.google.android.gms_8.4.89_(2428711-234)-8489234_minAPI21(armeabi-v7a)(240dpi).apk should be the correct version of Play Services, but it still crashes on me...
Does anyone have any newer versions of the Services Framework and Account Manager APK's?
Anyone, any updates?
Edit: There will be a firmware update this weekend which will pus the OStore... No Play STore, but at least it's something for now...
I just unboxed my truesmart+ today.
I think it is not useful without google service inside.
I can't sync my contact nor get my paid apps on it, it is really a bit disappointing.
KuwaK said:
I just unboxed my truesmart+ today.
I think it is not useful without google service inside.
I can't sync my contact nor get my paid apps on it, it is really a bit disappointing.
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There has to be a way we can get it on there...
SparkyRih said:
There has to be a way we can get it on there...
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Hurray~!
I rev an update today, I updated to V1.2. And the google play is inside!!!!!!!
I am now installing my APPs now.
KuwaK said:
Hurray~!
I rev an update today, I updated to V1.2. And the google play is inside!!!!!!!
I am now installing my APPs now.
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I thought they would put the OStore in the update, but this is even better!!!
Everything appears to be working great
Just curious, if Aptoide does the same thing as the Play Store, did we really need the Play Store? I'm away from my device so I can't test it, but it seems Aptoide has many of the same mainstream apps as the Play Store (Maps, YouTube, etc)
Could someone please answer my question re: Aptoide? Is this a viable alternative? (from a technical perspective, please no need to go into politics) Thanks.
proxy170 said:
Could someone please answer my question re: Aptoide? Is this a viable alternative? (from a technical perspective, please no need to go into politics) Thanks.
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Aptoide will work for free apps, if you install "My Paid Apps" from Aptoide you may also be able to install some of your paid apps as well. Aptoide's biggest drawbacks are much smaller number of apps, less security, sometimes apps do not get updated as often, not all paid apps will be accessible.
Another option is Amazon App Store.
proxy170 said:
Could someone please answer my question re: Aptoide? Is this a viable alternative? (from a technical perspective, please no need to go into politics) Thanks.
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Aptoide is a viable alternative to Google Play, but only if you are very careful and very skilled at being able to recognize and avoid trojanized versions of apps. The majority of people hosting apps there are well intentioned, I guess, but there are also a large number of maliciously modified apps to be found there, and cracked premium pay apps are included.
Using Aptoide over the Play Store, then, is not a good idea unless you are very skilled or have other means of avoiding Android malware mixed in with the many legitimate apps available there. If you get apps there that are really hosted there by their real original developers, for example, you can feel pretty secure.
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Using Aptoide over the Play Store, then, is not a good idea unless you are very skilled or have other means of avoiding Android malware mixed in with the many legitimate apps available there.
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Thank you both for your replies! Referencing your statement above, if I download only the apps marked with a green shield marked "trusted" should I be ok? (Do I trust the trust mark?) I'm only looking for Maps, YouTube, SWApp, Gmail, Amazon Music, Pandora.
proxy170 said:
Thank you both for your replies! Referencing your statement above, if I download only the apps marked with a green shield marked "trusted" should I be ok? (Do I trust the trust mark?) I'm only looking for Maps, YouTube, SWApp, Gmail, Amazon Music, Pandora.
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You can download the .apk files from the play store by using this website: http://apps.evozi.com/apk-downloader/.
This procedure should be safe and maleware free.
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