Hello,
I currently own a rooted/unlocked Nexus 5 smartphone and my carrier just pushed me the new android 4.4.3 update and it's been a while since I've been in this situation (get update while running andoird with root access).
My questions are the following:
- If I remeber well from last time I had this situation with my galaxy nexus, installing 4.4.3 will not harm my phone, it will still be unlocked, no data will be lost but I won't have root access anymore nor be able to use apps that require root. Is this correct?
- Is there a way (or will there be a way that I should patiently wait for) to get the 4.4.3 update, whithout loosing data or root access? Last time, I installed the pushed update, lost root, had to wait for the tool I used to be updated, then had to root the phone again and lost all the data (yes I saved most of it but still is a pain in the arse to redo everything).
I am aware that the version just came out and I have no problem waiting for amazing devs to do their mojo, I was just wondering if updating rooted versions was possible without data loss and I should wait for it or if I will have to root the phone again ^^.
Thanks in advance for your answers
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magnusnet said:
Hello,
I currently own a rooted/unlocked Nexus 5 smartphone and my carrier just pushed me the new android 4.4.3 update and it's been a while since I've been in this situation (get update while running andoird with root access).
My questions are the following:
- If I remeber well from last time I had this situation with my galaxy nexus, installing 4.4.3 will not harm my phone, it will still be unlocked, no data will be lost but I won't have root access anymore nor be able to use apps that require root. Is this correct?
- Is there a way (or will there be a way that I should patiently wait for) to get the 4.4.3 update, whithout loosing data or root access? Last time, I installed the pushed update, lost root, had to wait for the tool I used to be updated, then had to root the phone again and lost all the data (yes I saved most of it but still is a pain in the arse to redo everything).
I am aware that the version just came out and I have no problem waiting for amazing devs to do their mojo, I was just wondering if updating rooted versions was possible without data loss and I should wait for it or if I will have to root the phone again ^^.
Thanks in advance for your answers
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SEE THIS : http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5
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f4ltu said:
SEE THIS : http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/help/flashing-4-4-3-wipe-t2772376 <= you mean this? Thanks anyways for the link to that forum, the xda app makes things difficult to find in the forums.
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Hello. Is it possible to get root on Samsung Galaxy S3 with no data deleting and no flashing new ROM. I just want to save current pre-installed stock ROM?
No because most Rom's these days require a full wipe unless stated....follow the procedure in the S3 Android Development section in order to root your device....new process is available, easier and quicker
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Thanks. And one more question... Do OTA updates available for rooted phones?
galaktiker said:
Thanks. And one more question... Do OTA updates available for rooted phones?
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Root using this -CF-Root- method. I'm quite sure this method won't wipe your data. OTA updates are not available on rooted phones.
I followed this guide
http://www.androidnz.net/2012/06/at-your-own-risk-how-to-root-your.html
and rooted my GS3 without loss of any data at all. Everything exactly where I left it when I rebooted..... it was still a bit scary messing with £500 worth of phone, so that's why I did it within the 7 day period where I could take it back to the shop for an instant replacement
I see.. And how to get new stock updates on Rooted phone? What will you say about http://www.sammobile.com? They offer paid services...
Mate, any new firmware will be picked apart and put back together about 1000000 times better by our devs here on XDA... Look at all the phones we play with.. I have been using this site to hack my phone for years and I can tell you that the roms the devs cook up here are light years ahead of what most companies do...
Anything that appears in the zoo will make it out here to the wild sooner or later....
galaktiker said:
Hello. Is it possible to get root on Samsung Galaxy S3 with no data deleting and no flashing new ROM. I just want to save current pre-installed stock ROM?
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you can get root without loosing any kind of data or config with the stock rom!
just follow this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1684535
and do exactly what is written in the sections "Instructions - Long" and "Manually rooting" - you will than have root with the stock rom - no need do change firmware, rom or kernel and no need to do a factory reset! I've done that yesterday, and didn't loose any configuration!
cheers Gerald
Thanks Gerald. Guys, what about getting new versions of stock firmware after rooting the phone? Is it possible without deleting data (something like OTA)?
speedyjay said:
No because most Rom's these days require a full wipe unless stated....follow the procedure in the S3 Android Development section in order to root your device....new process is available, easier and quicker
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What the hell are you talking about? ofcourse it's possible.. I did it..
You flash the insecure kernel with Odin, then you push superuser via adb.. it's as easy as that.
It doesn't touch the data partition.
bortak said:
What the hell are you talking about? ofcourse it's possible.. I did it..
You flash the insecure kernel with Odin, then you push superuser via adb.. it's as easy as that.
It doesn't touch the data partition.
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Thanks. And what about getting updates for the ROM without wiping data?
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Thanks. And what about getting updates for the ROM without wiping data?
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You can't get official updates from Samsung with root, but you can flash the updated software via recovery (and I'm guessing odin - haven't got much experience with that since its my first samsung) without wiping data, thus only updating the system.
Hello,
I've never rooted a device before, so please forgive me should I come across stupid
I've got a Nexus 4 and had 4.2.1 installed and after playing with it, I decided to root. Which I did using Nexus Root Toolkit v1.6.1, and it worked great!
Just a couple of questions, after I unlocked the bootloader to gain my root access, do I then need to lock it again?
Also, if Google release a new Android version (4.2.2, 4.3, 5.0 etc) will installing that OTA update remove my root access? And to install that update, would the bootloader need to be locked?
Thanks!
nd290 said:
Hello,
I've never rooted a device before, so please forgive me should I come across stupid
I've got a Nexus 4 and had 4.2.1 installed and after playing with it, I decided to root. Which I did using Nexus Root Toolkit v1.6.1, and it worked great!
Just a couple of questions, after I unlocked the bootloader to gain my root access, do I then need to lock it again?
Also, if Google release a new Android version (4.2.2, 4.3, 5.0 etc) will installing that OTA update remove my root access? And to install that update, would the bootloader need to be locked?
Thanks!
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No you dont need to relock the bootloader, thats what you unlock to gain root access. If google release a new version of their OS you will be able to flash it as a custom rom from the development section of your device, so ota wouldnt be needed, and plus you cant do ota updates if your device is rooted anyway.
Hope i could be of some help
xmrenegade7 said:
No you dont need to relock the bootloader, thats what you unlock to gain root access. If google release a new version of their OS you will be able to flash it as a custom rom from the development section of your device, so ota wouldnt be needed, and plus you cant do ota updates if your device is rooted anyway.
Hope i could be of some help
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Not strickly true at least on the nexus 7 after rooting and installing cwm you can still install ota updates as cwm will reroot and prevent a new recovery being flashed as the update is installed, this is what I have done with all ota updates.
So if you have cwm and it has this feature all is good
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Ah okay. I've never used the nexus devices before I'm just going on previous experience with other phones but its nice to learn something new
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xmrenegade7 said:
No you dont need to relock the bootloader, thats what you unlock to gain root access. If google release a new version of their OS you will be able to flash it as a custom rom from the development section of your device, so ota wouldnt be needed, and plus you cant do ota updates if your device is rooted anyway.
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Thanks for your help, that is useful
If I were to flash a rom, would it erase all my data such as apps, settings, pics etc?
It will only delete apps and stuff if you do a full wipe. Most roms require a full wipe if its the first time you install it, use an app called titanium backup to backup your apps and data then just recover your apps and data after installing the new rom.
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So I had plugged my device in to my computer, and it updated to 4.3. I did a factory reset, but it is too late. Does this mean my bootloader is now locked without a way to unlock at the moment? I came across ★ [Rom][I605VRUEMJ9][4.3] Stock Root Odex/Deodex [12/08/13]★ - xda-developers but it appears that I need an unlocked bootloader in order to flash it. Any advice on what I can do? I tried the instructions at Root I605VRUEMJ9 - Verizon Galaxy Note 2 SCH-I605 Android 4.3 Jelly Bean Firmware | True Android | #1 Custom Android Resource but got a failed (and am now worried that the KNOX counte ris stuck at 0x1.
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So I had plugged my device in to my computer, and it updated to 4.3. I did a factory reset, but it is too late. Does this mean my bootloader is now locked without a way to unlock at the moment? I came across ★ [Rom][I605VRUEMJ9][4.3] Stock Root Odex/Deodex [12/08/13]★ - xda-developers but it appears that I need an unlocked bootloader in order to flash it. Any advice on what I can do? I tried the instructions at Root I605VRUEMJ9 - Verizon Galaxy Note 2 SCH-I605 Android 4.3 Jelly Bean Firmware | True Android | #1 Custom Android Resource but got a failed (and am now worried that the KNOX counte ris stuck at 0x1.
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For the moment, yes. Attempting to return to a previous stock ROM, even via ODIN, will fail - I tried this myself last night. ODIN hangs on trying to install the last part of the ROM (the bootloader, if I remember right). If you do try to use ODIN to restore a stock ROM, you will need to run a repair install of the 4.3 ROM (you'll lose all data on the phone). Fun stuff.
So in short, we're locked & unrooted if we update using the official update via Verizon's update software.
computerslayer said:
For the moment, yes. Attempting to return to a previous stock ROM, even via ODIN, will fail - I tried this myself last night. ODIN hangs on trying to install the last part of the ROM (the bootloader, if I remember right). If you do try to use ODIN to restore a stock ROM, you will need to run a repair install of the 4.3 ROM (you'll lose all data on the phone). Fun stuff.
So in short, we're locked & unrooted if we update using the official update via Verizon's update software.
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Damn. So I am completely willing to wipe everything. I already have everything backed up. If I am willing to have everything wiped, is there a way around it, or just wait for the good folks here at xda to stick it to Verizon
pendraggon87 said:
Damn. So I am completely willing to wipe everything. I already have everything backed up. If I am willing to have everything wiped, is there a way around it, or just wait for the good folks here at xda to stick it to Verizon
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You can try to root with kingo (google it, xda won't allow links to it) but you may be out of luck on unlocking the bootloader again unless someone finds another exploit.
akellar said:
You can try to root with kingo (google it, xda won't allow links to it) but you may be out of luck on unlocking the bootloader again unless someone finds another exploit.
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I saw references to kingo, but it looked sketchy. Can you tell more about it, and perhaps why XDA doesn't allow links?
computerslayer said:
I saw references to kingo, but it looked sketchy. Can you tell more about it, and perhaps why XDA doesn't allow links?
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Nothing I can tell you that you can't find searching for it. Plenty of conversations about it already. No need for another one really.
akellar said:
Nothing I can tell you that you can't find searching for it. Plenty of conversations about it already. No need for another one really.
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Thanks - I did find a lot threads. It does look sketchy, though nothing definitive.
Unless someone has found a root method for one of the other Samsung 4.3 builds, you better go out to your nearest wholesale store and buy the jumbo size of Vaseline.
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Unless someone has found a root method for one of the other Samsung 4.3 builds, you better go out to your nearest wholesale store and buy the jumbo size of Vaseline.
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Kingo works on Note 3. Obviously different device but in theory it should work.
akellar said:
You can try to root with kingo (google it, xda won't allow links to it) but you may be out of luck on unlocking the bootloader again unless someone finds another exploit.
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I did an OTA of 4.3 on my Note 2 already and was able to root using Kingo, no problems.
gee1000 said:
I did an OTA of 4.3 on my Note 2 already and was able to root using Kingo, no problems.
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Ditto here. Though trying to flash a recovery (say, through Goo Manager) trips the Knox counter....and fails to boot ('unauthorized software' message)
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Ditto here. Though trying to flash a recovery (say, through Goo Manager) trips the Knox counter....and fails to boot ('unauthorized software' message)
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Yup. Bootloader is locked. That's why there's a sticky saying not to take OTA's.
akellar said:
Yup. Bootloader is locked. That's why there's a sticky saying not to take OTA's.
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Sometimes one's role in life is to serve as a warning to others. Guess its my turn.
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Unless someone has found a root method for one of the other Samsung 4.3 builds, you better go out to your nearest wholesale store and buy the jumbo size of Vaseline.
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Aren't both the S4 and N3 4.3 builds rooted? Maybe you're thinking bootloader unlocking???
After OTA my n2 lost root.
I can also confirm, that Kingo roots the N2 after taking the Verizon OTA, but the bootloader remains locked. For me acquiring root again was great, because I use the Xposed framework a lot and many other apps that need root. As for the bootloader, I'm sure that sooner or later, one of the great devs will kick butt and get it unlocked. For those guys that challenge is like an itch.
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rdeluis said:
After OTA my n2 lost root.
I can also confirm, that Kingo roots the N2 after taking the Verizon OTA, but the bootloader remains locked. For me acquiring root again was great, because I use the Xposed framework a lot and many other apps that need root. As for the bootloader, I'm sure that sooner or later, one of the great devs will kick butt and get it unlocked. For those guys that challenge is like an itch.
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Wouldn't bet on it. S4 and Note 3 are both locked and will likely remain that way. Never say never but the likelihood is slim.
You're right and honestly as long as I have, root I don't care much anymore. If it happens great, if it doesn't ok. Sooner or later we will upgrade to a new toy. Lol
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All:
I have my note II rooted, and its running 4.1.2
I received the OTA today, and I chose not to download it. Just curious on what folks are doing ?
I dont run any custom rom on my Note II, I just use it for rooting purposes....
if I do want to upgrade to 4.3 what is the suggested path of action ?
I thought I could use wugfresh I guess not though ?
Thanks
ch3ss said:
All:
I have my note II rooted, and its running 4.1.2
I received the OTA today, and I chose not to download it. Just curious on what folks are doing ?
I dont run any custom rom on my Note II, I just use it for rooting purposes....
if I do want to upgrade to 4.3 what is the suggested path of action ?
I thought I could use wugfresh I guess not though ?
Thanks
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Once you upgrade to 4.3 OTA, your bootloader is locked and root is gone, along with the generally unwelcome addition of Samsung's KNOX technology. No bootloader exploit currently exists. If you upgrade by flashing one of the ROM's here on XDA or the non-OTA update to 4.3 (check the Android Development forum), you get the latest software and keep an unlocked bootloader & root.
computerslayer said:
Once you upgrade to 4.3 OTA, your bootloader is locked and root is gone, along with the generally unwelcome addition of Samsung's KNOX technology. No bootloader exploit currently exists. If you upgrade by flashing one of the ROM's here on XDA or the non-OTA update to 4.3 (check the Android Development forum), you get the latest software and keep an unlocked bootloader & root.
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Wife gave me my Christmas present yesterday...(a Note 2 she bought used...lovely phone). It started an update when I fired it up, (has been so long since I rooted my Bionic, I completely forgot about OTA's) It now has 4.3, and the only sort of tethering I can mange with it is usb pdanet, which merely qualifies as 'better than nothing', as it often drops out. Might have to put the damn thing in a drawer and fire up the Bionic until the tech gods here work it out. Am downloading a zip from another thread mentioned by Tfly12 that purports to get around the entitlement check...will see
Mejud said:
Wife gave me my Christmas present yesterday...(a Note 2 she bought used...lovely phone). It started an update when I fired it up, (has been so long since I rooted my Bionic, I completely forgot about OTA's) It now has 4.3, and the only sort of tethering I can mange with it is usb pdanet, which merely qualifies as 'better than nothing', as it often drops out. Might have to put the damn thing in a drawer and fire up the Bionic until the tech gods here work it out. Am downloading a zip from another thread mentioned by Tfly12 that purports to get around the entitlement check...will see
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Can't flash that zip though can ya? Trust me. Loosing tethering is the biggest thing that ticks me off about 4.3.
Hate having to have an nonroot phone for work.
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Can't flash that zip though can ya? Trust me. Loosing tethering is the biggest thing that ticks me off about 4.3.
Hate having to have an nonroot phone for work.
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not sure yet, my last experience with this was the Bionic....and after I got it doing what I wanted it to do.....never bothered with it again. Now I'm trying to learn everything Samsung, (precious little of Motorola knowledge seems to apply here....I always thought Odin was a Viking god...) so I don't end up in one of those frantic "HELPME! MY PHONEWON'TEVENTURNONANYMOREIHATEYUPEOPLE" posts....
computerslayer said:
Once you upgrade to 4.3 OTA, your bootloader is locked and root is gone, along with the generally unwelcome addition of Samsung's KNOX technology. No bootloader exploit currently exists. If you upgrade by flashing one of the ROM's here on XDA or the non-OTA update to 4.3 (check the Android Development forum), you get the latest software and keep an unlocked bootloader & root.
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Seems like I should wait then... It tried to download and install last night but it failed, so it just rebooted and i am good... probably because i have recovery on... not sure....
I prefer to honestly just go back to stock, and then maybe goto 4.3 once there is a good root out there....
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not sure yet, my last experience with this was the Bionic....and after I got it doing what I wanted it to do.....never bothered with it again. Now I'm trying to learn everything Samsung, (precious little of Motorola knowledge seems to apply here....I always thought Odin was a Viking god...) so I don't end up in one of those frantic "HELPME! MY PHONEWON'TEVENTURNONANYMOREIHATEYUPEOPLE" posts....
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I made the same move after my speaker started going on my BIONIC, fortunately for me I made the move to the N2 a few months ago. If you are lucky and someone is able to get the bootloader unlocked on 4.3, you should find this device much easier to work with then using Safestrap and all that other jazz. Odin is sort of like using HOB except I have only had to use it twice and not constantly. Once to unlock the bootloader initially and just recently to update the modem and wifi parameters when I made the move to 4.3
Hopefully someone can help you get set up to use the N2 the way you need it.
Just got a Verizon s4 I would like to root so I can use tethering and maybe custom Roms. Should I activate then root. Root then activate or does it matter? This is new phone and new sim card? If the phone is behind on ota would it be better to not let any ota get applied then root etc? Any other things I should be aware of? I have read the posts on things to know on the various builds on this phone.
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Just got a Verizon s4 I would like to root so I can use tethering and maybe custom Roms. Should I activate then root. Root then activate or does it matter? This is new phone and new sim card? If the phone is behind on ota would it be better to not let any ota get applied then root etc? Any other things I should be aware of? I have read the posts on things to know on the various builds on this phone.
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A post like this would go in troubleshooting/q+a section.
However....rooting after activation or before makes no difference. Just delay the ota if you activate first. What build are you on? That will determine your root method.
I always activate first then root. I have activated and will root it next week. Is your provider Verizon? If it is you should be fine updating as long as the update is NOT 4.4 kit Kat. If you ota update to 4.4, I've heard that Verizon trips something so the know if you have rooted your phone and void the warranty.
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I always activate first then root. I have activated and will root it next week. Is your provider Verizon? If it is you should be fine updating as long as the update is NOT 4.4 kit Kat. If you ota update to 4.4, I've heard that Verizon trips something so the know if you have rooted your phone and void the warranty.
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Warranty voiding only matters if you have to send it back to Samsung (and even then Sammy a lot of times will still fix it). If you are paying for insurance through VZW (it should be Assuron) they don't care at all if you have rooted, installed Custom ROMs, tripped Knox. They just swap the phone out for you period. So only if you would have to send the phone to Samsung does that matter, and only sometimes at that.
All true, thanks for clarifying. I bought my s4 without a contract and have insurance thru securanty so I don't really care about Verizon
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Hum just found out that securanty doesn't cover software issues of you have rooted your phone. Guess if better make sure I get it rooted before a 4.4 ota update
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My bad on wrong forum
I am on verizion not sure what the build is, as I'm still waiting for the phone to arrive. I did not purchase the phone threw verizion. As I have the unlimited data and plan on keeping it.
I like the cm roms but from what I read unless i'm on cetain build (mdk) I can't use cm, has to be rom that supports safestrap. So if I want cm i should not let ota happen.
Hence my question on if I should not let the phone ota once activated, or activate first then root etc.
Will an ota strip root ?
Thanks for the info
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My bad on wrong forum
I am on verizion not sure what the build is, as I'm still waiting for the phone to arrive. I did not purchase the phone threw verizion. As I have the unlimited data and plan on keeping it.
I like the cm roms but from what I read unless i'm on cetain build (mdk) I can't use cm, has to be rom that supports safestrap. So if I want cm i should not let ota happen.
Hence my question on if I should not let the phone ota once activated, or activate first then root etc.
Will an ota strip root ?
Thanks for the info
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You can activate the phone just do not perform the update. I literally just got the S4 yesterday, brand new, through amazon. It was on the MJ7 build.
I didn't put the sim in until after I did the root and rom installation, that was just my method. It does not mean I could not have done the same after activating it. Check out my thread where I asked a similar question. The links in there will up you root and install the correct roms according to your build.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2663706
tonyjsan said:
My bad on wrong forum
I am on verizion not sure what the build is, as I'm still waiting for the phone to arrive. I did not purchase the phone threw verizion. As I have the unlimited data and plan on keeping it.
I like the cm roms but from what I read unless i'm on cetain build (mdk) I can't use cm, has to be rom that supports safestrap. So if I want cm i should not let ota happen.
Hence my question on if I should not let the phone ota once activated, or activate first then root etc.
Will an ota strip root ?
Thanks for the info
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common census of those of us that root and run custom ROMS is not to take OTA . Good chance root will be forever lost as 4.4 android is more securely locked down than 4.3.