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I was in Clockwork Recovery after backing up my stock system (this is my first time) it gave me the options in green text: Reboot, reinstall update.zip, etc.
I chose reboot and everything loaded up fine and after checking in Rom Manager I have a backup of my system. I just want to know if that was the right choice. or should I have reinstalled update.zip
I guess my question revolves around update.zip.
What is that file? I know I originally used it to gain root access but do I need to reinstall it from clockwork recovery everytime before rebooting? and when should I delete it? and are there any negative consequences for not doing either?
As you can tell I'm a noob....but hey I can't believe I'm rooted and backed up at the moment. I'm gonna stop here before flashing any custonm roms and get this question answered first.
I think you are fine. I would not worry so much, i have deleted the update.zip, but since you booted up into ClockWork Recovery you are most likely fine.
I am booted back up completely and the stock os is running and I'm still rooted. I just want to know what that option inside of clockwork recovery means. What is the reason to reinstall update.zip from clockwork recovery and what is the reason to reboot? And once I'm booted back up and running when/why do I go into my files and delete update.zip?
It's not that I'm worried...I just want to know why I'm doing what I'm doing.
I would keep the file. Less chance of failure.
You are only going to use cwr for this:
Backup/restore system
Wipe cache, factory wipe, etc
Flashing rom's (install from sd card)
Don't worry about the other stuff.
I'm confused by the op, not sure how you made a backup from how it reads.
I think I made the backup by flashing into clockwork recovery from rom manager. It started with the purple text recovery mode and I hit reinstall packets. Then it went into the green text clockwork recovery....I think. I've only done it once.
So in clockwork recovery I choose the backup/restore option and then the backup option. So then the phone I assume began the backup process and displayed many lines of white text. At the very end it said something about not being able to mount my ext sd card (which) had me worried.....but then it brought up the menu again. The top option was reboot, the second was reinstall update.zip and I didn't pay attention to the rest because I was pretty sure I needed one of the first two....I just didn't know which one. I selected reboot and the phone then booted into the stock os and was still rooted. Is the fact that it wasn't able to mount my ext sd card at the end of the backup process an issue? I'm able to find a backup in rom manager. Also, if the backup process works correctly should the phone reboot by itself?
What I'm asking is what am I booting from when I choose "reboot" from clockwork recovery and what does it mean to choose "reinstall (packet?) update.zip"? I thought update.zip was what I needed to root.
This last step wasn't in your tutorial (purple text menu) so maybe something didn't go as it should have.
I'm not sure.
Thanks s15274n for the tutorial btw. Its by far the most helpful concise instructions I've found and is really appreciated.
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The update.zip in the root of the internal SD card is clockwork recovery (CR). When you install CR it does not overwrite your phone's recovery. What it does is install that update.zip in the root of the SD card. When you want to use CR, you need to "update packages" which will flash that update.zip which contains the CR package. That will load CR into memory only and still does not overwrite the original recovery on the phone. When you reboot into recovery from ROM Manager, it automatically reboots and applies the update.zip and places you into CR. If you enter recovery manually (via buttons on boot), you will need to "re-install packages" from the stock recovery to get CR.
So if you want to use CR, keep that update.zip in the root of the SD card. If you erase it, you will need to re-install it (using ROM Manager) before you can use CR instead of the stock recovery. I hope that makes sense. If not, here is the explanation straight from Koush on how it works.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=734164&highlight=clockwork
^^ You are all good then.
The SD-EXT is not going to backup, because you do not have a partiotion on your external SD card (no need for one, like some other phones require). This is normal from what you described.
You will never use the apply update.zip option in CWR... just dont pay any mind to it.
When you select reboot system now, that is all it is.... you are basically saying "Cool, I did everything I needed to do (backup/flash a rom/wipe, etc)... and now I am ready to reboot my phone... ie, you are basically cutting your phone on.
Positive you did, but you can open rom manager, click on manage backups and you should see a file there that has a format kinda like YYYYMMDDTIME, that is the backup you made... no action needed, just an easy way to verify you made a backup of your system.
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I would keep the file. Less chance of failure.
You are only going to use cwr for this:
Backup/restore system
Wipe cache, factory wipe, etc
Flashing rom's (install from sd card)
Don't worry about the other stuff.
I'm confused by the op, not sure how you made a backup from how it reads.
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Thanks s15274n
i have been wondering the same thing about the update.zip file whether to keep it or not.
Thanks s15274n for the tutorial btw. Its by far the most helpful concise instructions I've found and is really appreciated.
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Also wanted to say i feel the same way. Appreciate the guide so much!
Thanks guys. I'm glad to have that cleared up so I understand it. Gives me more confidence to do the other things I want to do.
I got confused with the fact that I need to delete the update.zip file after rooting and the fact thats its there again after flashing cw and backing up.
Sometimes I need things spelled out for me. Makes complete sense now.
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Hello, I always find the people on this corner of xda very helpful. As usual, I think I know what I'm doing, but I'd like to check that I am proceeding in the right direction.
I've been using Mik's Cyanogen ROMs on my Optimus One. That's going well. But I need to SIM unlock my phone and I need to go back to a stock ROM to input the codes (please let me know if this is incorrect).
Before installing Mik's ROM, I performed a Nand backup. I have boot, cache, data, recovery and system img files. I think I can flash these through recovery and I should be back to stock.
Do I lose my apps and settings by doing this? Do I need to clear any caches?
What about returning to Cyanogen after I unlock my phone... Do I have to root my phone again or will I still be able to flash using recovery?
Using Clockwork, I just backed up my current ROM. I assume I will be able to restore from this later.
Is there anything else I should be aware of?
Thanks for answering my questions / clearing up my confusion.
Hello, I always find the people on this corner of xda very helpful. As usual, I think I know what I'm doing, but I'd like to check that I am proceeding in the right direction.
I've been using Mik's Cyanogen ROMs on my Optimus One. That's going well. But I need to SIM unlock my phone and I need to go back to a stock ROM to input the codes (please let me know if this is incorrect).
this is correct
Before installing Mik's ROM, I performed a Nand backup. I have boot, cache, data, recovery and system img files. I think I can flash these through recovery and I should be back to stock.
Do I lose my apps and settings by doing this? Do I need to clear any caches?
to revert back to stock, you must wipe data/factory reset, cache, and dalvik cache. you will lose your settings. as for your apps, you can back them up with titanium backup and restore them after you have restored your backup.
What about returning to Cyanogen after I unlock my phone... Do I have to root my phone again or will I still be able to flash using recovery?
when you restore your backup of the stock rom, you will still have root. i dont think unlocking your phone will cause you to lose root. your root access and custom recovery will still be intact
Using Clockwork, I just backed up my current ROM. I assume I will be able to restore from this later.
yes this is true
Is there anything else I should be aware of?
just to be on the safe side, please list the steps you are going to follow
Thanks for answering my questions / clearing up my confusion.
Thanks for the quick answer...
I on my sd card, I have a /clockwork directory with two subdirs. One is my original backup that I made before first installing Cyanogen. The other is the one I just made. Both contain boot, cache, data, recovery and system img files. The difference is that with my new backup the image files have an extra yaffs2 suffix: cache.img (stock) but cache.yaffs2.img (Cyanogen). Any problem here?
1. boot into recovery
2. restore stock from my sdcard using nandroid and wipe caches as you indicated
3. reboot, enter unlock code
4. reboot into recovery
5. restore current ROM from my sdcard using nandroid and again wipe the same caches
6. reinstall / restore apps (I'm not using Titanium, instead I backed up the list of installed apps)
Will I need to find and reinstall the GoogleApps (Market, etc) or will they come with the backup of my current ROM?
Pretty simple really. This make sense?
Thanks for the quick answer...
I on my sd card, I have a /clockwork directory with two subdirs. One is my original backup that I made before first installing Cyanogen. The other is the one I just made. Both contain boot, cache, data, recovery and system img files. The difference is that with my new backup the image files have an extra yaffs2 suffix: cache.img (stock) but cache.yaffs2.img (Cyanogen). Any problem here?
there might be a problem. what clockworkmod version did you use to make the backup of the stock rom? if i remember correctly, using cwm 3.x.x.x backs up a certain way (and also does not have the yaffs2 suffix) and using cwm 5.x.x.x backs up a different way (with the yaffs2 suffix) so backups may not be "inter"compatible (more info on that here). however, you can just flash back cwm 3.x.x.x right now (you can do it using rom manager), restore your stock rom backup, do the following steps, flash back cwm 5.x.x.x, then restore your backup
1. boot into recovery
2. restore stock from my sdcard using nandroid and wipe caches as you indicated (i recommend wipe first then restore)
3. reboot, enter unlock code
4. reboot into recovery
5. restore current ROM from my sdcard using nandroid and again wipe the same caches
(same here again, wipe first then restore)
6. reinstall / restore apps (I'm not using Titanium, instead I backed up the list of installed apps)
Will I need to find and reinstall the GoogleApps (Market, etc) or will they come with the backup of my current ROM?
i think you will have to flash gapps again
Pretty simple really. This make sense?
looks good (how sure am i? id say 80-90%. it definitely makes sense, but i have never done this before)
Good good. It's getting late so I'll tackle this tomorrow. Thanks for the detailed help... I'm glad I asked before going at it.
sweetnsour said:
looks good (how sure am i? id say 80-90%. it definitely makes sense, but i have never done this before)
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I followed your instructions (I downgraded Clockwork before starting) and the 10-20% chance of you being wrong came true... but in a good way
Restoring from the backup brings everything back: apps, settings, contacts, SMSs etc. So it was actually even easier than you suggested since I didn't have to use my backups at all.
Thanks again for the tips!
bosth said:
I followed your instructions (I downgraded Clockwork before starting) and the 10-20% chance of you being wrong came true... but in a good way
Restoring from the backup brings everything back: apps, settings, contacts, SMSs etc. So it was actually even easier than you suggested since I didn't have to use my backups at all.
Thanks again for the tips!
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glad it worked out for you i am assuming your phone is now unlocked right?
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glad it worked out for you i am assuming your phone is now unlocked right?
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Yes... when I was back in stock I could access the unlock menu by entering 2945*#500# on my keypad. The SIM unlock code that I have worked fine. I haven't actually tested with another SIM card but the phone claimed to have been unlocked, so I should be good to go.
Is there a way to do a complete backup before rooting the device?
Thanks.
If I find something I will let you know
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If i am understanding it correctly...Rooting doesnt affect anything in the system or the phone..just lets you access the root of the system..so technically nothing will change at all...you will have everything same as it was before rooting...
If u are trying to flash a custom rom, for which you need to have custom recovery....Then you can take nandroid backup...of the whole system (with app and data)..
Unfortunately, there is no way to make a complete backup of the phone without customizing the device slightly using 'unofficial methods'.
In order to make a complete backup, you need to replace the recovery menu (this is the menu you get if you hold down the Power&Vol+&Vol- buttons with the phone completely off).
It is also supposedly possible to get a full backup with the phone booted but you have to have root so that apps can access directories that are normally system protected (this however is not recommended).
So unfortunately, you have to do one or the other in order to get a complete backup and the preferred method is to install the CWM recovery menu (now at beta 4 for the Note if I am correct), then do a complete backup, then flash the modified kernel that has root already enabled. Feel free to correct me as I have not yet gotten around to doing this yet.
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Unfortunately, there is no way to make a complete backup of the phone without customizing the device slightly using 'unofficial methods'.
In order to make a complete backup, you need to replace the recovery menu (this is the menu you get if you hold down the Power&Vol+&Vol- buttons with the phone completely off).
It is also supposedly possible to get a full backup with the phone booted but you have to have root so that apps can access directories that are normally system protected (this however is not recommended).
So unfortunately, you have to do one or the other in order to get a complete backup and the preferred method is to install the CWM recovery menu (now at beta 4 for the Note if I am correct), then do a complete backup, then flash the modified kernel that has root already enabled. Feel free to correct me as I have not yet gotten around to doing this yet.
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If i am understanding it correctly...Rooting doesnt affect anything in the system or the phone..just lets you access the root of the system..so technically nothing will change at all...you will have everything same as it was before rooting...
If u are trying to flash a custom rom, for which you need to have custom recovery....Then you can take nandroid backup...of the whole system (with app and data)..
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Ok, Thanks guys. I guess I'll root first then make a full nandroid backup.
Hello! I have a little experience using computers from late 1995 Year, and from year 2000 I am using also Linux from time to time, and very rare but it was a delight freeBSD. I have no experience on Android and MacOs.
Now, I all my family (father, mother, girlfriend and I) changed the phones on Android which is Linux based, but for ARM processors.
Anyway, I have played a little with Android 4 x86 on my laptop.
Please considering that I am new in the Android sutff.
From, my point of view, a Android Smartphone is just a little computer like an raspberry pi / pandaboard / beagle board.
So, a mini computer with an Arm processor running a very small and tiny operating system max 8 Gb, when on my gentoo install I had been using about 30-40 Gb. I know, the size can be affected by the compiling flags but anyway. Please corecct me if I am wrong.
Now, on all my system I had, from my experience I did 2 Backups, like this:
My laptop is backed-up on the External Hardisk number 1, and the External Hardisk number 1 is backed-up on the External Hardisk number 2.
So, as it is a good practice to have a backup handy, I keep 2 backups in 2 different location in case of hardware failure / water flood etc. Some of the files I need are backed up in the cloud, on the internet.
I use to make IMAGES of the Operating System partition, and of the mbr , and of the partition table, with software like Acronis True Image, Paragon, DriveImage XML, Norton Ghost, Clone Zilla.
When I had to do data recovery I did an Acronis "sector-by-sector" approach image of the hardisk, and I recovered files from that image.
Can you guys please introduce me please on the android field?
I assume that maybe I will need to get root on one or two phones, and one phone need's to be unlocked from the carrier.
Before doing this I would like to make a full backup of the phones.
1) How can I make a FULL backup of the android phones? In this moment my mother phone is a samsung galaxy mini2 Samsung Galaxy Mini 2 s6500 and mine is Sony Xperia L
2)
a) If I will "unlock" the phone from the carrier (locked on orange, but i wish to use also Vodafone, I tim, I wind, moviestar, o2 etc)
b) If I will "root" the phone to gain administrator acces on it
After step A) and B) if I will restore the original backup, the phone will be "locked" back to Orange, and "un-rooted", or it will be "unlocked" and "un-rooted"?
3) Instead of having an hardisk like computer have, I guess the smartphone is using an "usb-stick/sd-card/ssdhdd"-like memory for storage of the operating system, so how can I see the partition table, the mbr, on the device?
Thank you in advance!
In my experience the best backup apps available require root. So I would recommend unlocking and rooting the phone first, get all the apps you wish to use installed, then use clockworkmod recovery to make a backup. This backup will include everything including the current unlocked rooted status, and can be restored using the same software. I also reccomend titanium backup for app backups, which includes user defined settings for each app. There are free and paid versions of each and both work equally well. Both apps, Titanium Backup Root, and Clockwork Manager are available for install from the play store.
Thank you for your feedback, but I wish to backup before unlocking, I will root the phone only as a last resort.
It could be possible to need the phone locked up, if there will be warranty problems.
I am currently reading about Odin, next will be CWM and TWRP, as I am not familiar with those "tools" and I don't know for what are they used for.
As I learned by now, with odin I can go back to an old firmware. But first I need to learn how to back it up in this state, locked, and un-rooted.
After I have read, read, read, and read again a lot of posts, blogs, forums, it seems that If I wish to backup the Stock Rom, I need to do root on the device. But if I will "root" the device, make backup, change rom, then recover the stock rom from backup (which is in the rooted stage), can I UN-ROOT it again?
Yes. Most phones have unroot options available. Alternatively, flashing stock rom to a rooted phone using odin etc will be in unrooted state. Stock firmware will also return the bootloader and recovery( which is what cwm and twrp are btw) to stck as well.
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After I have read, read, read, and read again a lot of posts, blogs, forums, it seems that If I wish to backup the Stock Rom, I need to do root on the device. But if I will "root" the device, make backup, change rom, then recover the stock rom from backup (which is in the rooted stage), can I UN-ROOT it again?
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I don't know which phone(s) you have, but let's say you root your phone. You can then install ClockworkMod Recovery which allows you to flash custom ROMs and make full NAND backups (backups of the entire system partition), i.e you can backup whole ROMs. If you're on a custom ROM and you want to go back to a previous ROM, then just restore your NAND backup from Recovery and voila! Your phone will look and behave exactly like it did before you flashed the other ROM, and all SMS', phone records and apps will be there. Sure, it'll still be rooted, but simply open SuperSU (if that's the root app you'll be using), go to settings and tap "un-root". Done.
So..
- Make a typical backup of stuff, like moving important things to your computer etc. since accidents happen.
- Root and install Recovery
- Make a NAND backup in Recovery
- Flash a custom ROM if you want to
When you want to go back to stock:
- Boot into Recovery
- Restore your NAND backup
- Reboot and you're done
- Un-root if you'd like to
Tip: Store your NAND backup on your SD card and not on the internal storage in case you ever do a complete wipe of the internal storage or something happens to your phone and you lose your backup.
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I tried to root the phone with some software found in this forum ( SuperOneClick ) but did not worked.
I tooked the phone to a service and Unlocked the phone from the carrier network.
I asked if the phone will be rooted after the unlock, and they told:
PhoneService: "No, but do you wish to be rooted?"
Me:"How is better and safe, rooted or unrooted?"
PhoneService: "You have the advantage for example that you can move the aplications to card, but is safe to have the phone unrooted"
Me: "If it is possible please root the phone"
PhoneService: "oky, give us 30 minutes"
After 30 minutes (I took a walking), they unlocked the phone but said that rooting the phone will take more time, so I not rooted the phone.
As the phone dosen't need neccesary to be rooted, as I have no aplication in it which require this (there is only 2 apps, Opera browser and Copy To Sim / Import contact to Sim), and I don't desire to install more apps on it as only my mother is using it, I will leave the phone unrooted.
I wished only to have a Backup of the rom, just in case something will go wrong, to restore the phone back to the warrany service if there is this need, but as long the phone can be locked be back again, there is no such need to root it.
Guys, thank you very much for the input, really appreciated!
How about a adb backup? Using adb tools. Try search on Google for it. If I remember correctly, root is not needed.
Hi. Recently I stuffed my ZTE Blade A452 with MIUI ROM found on here: hxxp://forum.android.com.pl/topic/319435-a452miui-v8-miui-global-8020. I also installed TWRP . I've been using it for a while and unfortunately it didn't meet my expectations. It is barely usable, phone crashes a few times a day, apps aren't kept in background.
I decided to come back to my stock ROM. I don't have, however, any back up of it. There are some sdcard packages on ZTE's support page, however when I tried to install it with TWRP, it displays that packages (all of them) are for device id P635F33, while my device is P635E40. And I found nothing for my dev id.
Is there a way to force installing one of those packages in my phone? Editing version.txt inside update.zip did nothing.
Maybe one of you guys have a matching package?
Also my sister's got the same model, Blade A452, bought at the same service provider. Maybe there is a way to extract a ROM from her phone and put it into mine? (Her device must be left quite untouched).
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Hi. Recently I stuffed my ZTE Blade A452 with MIUI ROM found on here: hxxp://forum.android.com.pl/topic/319435-a452miui-v8-miui-global-8020. I also installed TWRP . I've been using it for a while and unfortunately it didn't meet my expectations. It is barely usable, phone crashes a few times a day, apps aren't kept in background.
I decided to come back to my stock ROM. I don't have, however, any back up of it. There are some sdcard packages on ZTE's support page, however when I tried to install it with TWRP, it displays that packages (all of them) are for device id P635F33, while my device is P635E40. And I found nothing for my dev id.
Is there a way to force installing one of those packages in my phone? Editing version.txt inside update.zip did nothing.
Maybe one of you guys have a matching package?
Also my sister's got the same model, Blade A452, bought at the same service provider. Maybe there is a way to extract a ROM from her phone and put it into mine? (Her device must be left quite untouched).
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You Have a Same Phone Available .That is Great. You can give her Sleep Drug Sneak Into Her Room.Get the Phone From Under The pillow.And Now You can Unlock The bootloader flash TWRP Make a Backup and Then Flash Stock Recovery.Then Put The Phone Back Under The Pillow.The Process Will only Take about 30Mins.
5Min to unlock Bootloader
2.5Min to flash TWRP.
2.5Min to install stock Recovery
And 20 min to move the back Up
Or
You can Slice her Throat and Get the phone.Seriously Save 30Min of time.
Or
You can Backup Using a Desktop Application and Restore on your Phone.
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Atifbaig786 said:
You can Unlock The bootloader flash TWRP Make a Backup and Then Flash Stock Recovery
Or
You can Backup Using a Desktop Application and Restore on your Phone.
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Yeah, TWRP on her phone isn't an option, as the whole system is quite buggy and she's gonna probably use the restore option. I'm gonna try with some desktop apps and give an answer in 1-2 hours. Thank you.
Sorry it took so long to answer.
I couldn't make a nandroid backup any desktop app (MTK Droid Tools can't create scatter file, couldn't find any other app).
As I said, TWRP was not an option. But I managed to do the nandroid backup from phone-level anyways.
First I rooted the source device with KingRoot, installed on it BusyBox and made a custom TWRP-style backup on SDcard with Online Nandroid Backup *ROOT. Default settings are fine, even though it couldn't recognize my phone model.
Then I moved SD into target device and performed a backup with TWRP (just to create my device directory). Then I moved the source-phone backup into the new-created directory and performed Restore.
And Voila! On my phone there was a 1:1 copy of the system. It wiped out TWRP so I could perform a system Restore and get a factory-new soft.
Thank You. I didn't even realize it was possible to restore A-Backup on B-Device. Even though my sister's phone was a P635F33 (I didn't know it earlier) and mine was P635E40, it worked well.
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Sorry it took so long to answer.
I couldn't make a nandroid backup any desktop app (MTK Droid Tools can't create scatter file, couldn't find any other app).
As I said, TWRP was not an option. But I managed to do the nandroid backup from phone-level anyways.
First I rooted the source device with KingRoot, installed on it BusyBox and made a custom TWRP-style backup on SDcard with Online Nandroid Backup *ROOT. Default settings are fine, even though it couldn't recognize my phone model.
Then I moved SD into target device and performed a backup with TWRP (just to create my device directory). Then I moved the source-phone backup into the new-created directory and performed Restore.
And Voila! On my phone there was a 1:1 copy of the system. It wiped out TWRP so I could perform a system Restore and get a factory-new soft.
Thank You. I didn't even realize it was possible to restore A-Backup on B-Device. Even though my sister's phone was a P635F33 (I didn't know it earlier) and mine was P635E40, it worked well.
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It Did Work Right.I am Happy To Be of Your Assistance.
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