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First of all thank you Oasis for creating a tool to fix things that shouldn't be broken to begin with! You are an example for a lot of developers :good:
I've read the first couple of posts on the original thread but I still have a few things that are not clear..
The advice of Oasis himself is too hibernate only those apps that misbehave. He states that hibernating apps will also remove them from the memory, which will come with a performance/cpu usage penalty when you want to use them again.
In the video tutorial however Josh greenifies almost every application that doesn't need push notifications.
So this would mean that when I use an application that doesn't have notifications but I open frequently, for example Nu.nl, a dutch newsapp, it will always have to reload the app from scratch instead of loading it from memory?
So baically the best way to use Greenify would be to NOT just greenify most apps, but to use the analyzer frequently and see what's running in the background and greenify those that don't depend on notifications?
Then newsapps that don't push news, image viewers, file managers, system tools like SD Maid and simple games that don't use internet should be ok not being greenified?
Is there no big list available of apps that misbehave or are safe to keep de-greenified?
Thanks in advance for any help on this.
Basically you got it right. Use the built-in analyzer as well as disable service and autostarts to check apps' behaviour. For my experience, sometimes is better to disable a background service than greenify an app, if the app "misbehave" for this service only (of course you'll have to check if the app still works). An example: guaranteedhttpservice and tracksyncservice in shazam...
marchrius said:
Basically you got it right. Use the built-in analyzer as well as disable service and autostarts to check apps' behaviour. For my experience, sometimes is better to disable a background service than greenify an app, if the app "misbehave" for this service only (of course you'll have to check if the app still works). An example: guaranteedhttpservice and tracksyncservice in shazam...
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Where can I find and disable things like tracksyncservice? I also use Shazam but I can't find both services you mentioned in Greenify nor TiB?
latino147 said:
Where can I find and disable things like tracksyncservice? I also use Shazam but I can't find both services you mentioned in Greenify nor TiB?
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"Disable Service" (and "Autostarts") from play store.
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"Disable Service" (and "Autostarts") from play store.
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Ah, I believed those were two functions withing Greenify I couldn't find
wtf, FB has 62! services! None of them where active though, until you open the app, then it was 3.
So you can choose between greenifying an app which will basically kill all services from an app, even background services on one hand, and choosing specifically which services too disable, like you did with Shazam.
The only issue with this second method being that you don't always really know what these services do.
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So you can choose between greenifying an app which will basically kill all services from an app, even background services on one hand, and choosing specifically which services too disable, like you did with Shazam.
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Exactly. Take google play services for example. If you greenify it, you'll lose gcm and other functions and that's not advisable at all (in fact greenify hides it). But with disable service (and autostarts/system tuner)you can choose what to disable while still mantaining gcm, location services (when needed), sync etc. I can' remember what I did in system tuner regarding gplay services (I followed some tutorial), but with disable service I disabled analyticsservice (this one will reactivate itself unless you do some tweak with system tuner), refreshenabledstateservice, playlogreportingservice, googlehttpservice, playlogbrokerservice, adrequestbrokerservice, gcmschedulerwakeupservice, advertisingidservice, adsmeasurementservice, locationwearablelistenerservice, nlplocationreceiverservice, geocodeservice, dispatchingservice and playlogservice. A reboot is needed. Haven't lost a single function since weeks (gcm, location, autosync and every google app in general are working 100% fine).
Same story with play store. Apps wake it very often, so greenify it does more harm than good. Instead, you can disable pendingnotificationsservice, contentsyncservice and dailyhygiene (and will still be fully functional).
Of course these are little tips to increase performance and battery life even more. I use greenify for 90% and more of apps that "misbehave" and disable service/autostarts/system tuner for the remaining 10% "misbehaving" apps. However, an app "fixed" with such methods will stay cached while with greenify is completely closed (resulting in more cpu/time/battery consumption when loaded again).
The only issue with this second method being that you don't always really know what these services do.
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Like I already said, for general purposes you'd better simply greenify the "misbehaving" apps. If you use it/it is woken very often, you can consider these methods.
Yes, it's a "trial and error" thing. Unless you're disabling services with self-explainatory names such as "pushservice".
Never installed Facebook official app but I heard many times that is a notorious hogger and takes many personal datas too, for which you can look for xprivacy xposed module as well.
I'll start experimenting with it today :good:
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I have not used the maps app at all today, and my usage shows its been used for an hour and a half. Other than Google now, what should be using maps that often?
bugeyeblue said:
I have not used the maps app at all today, and my usage shows its been used for an hour and a half. Other than Google now, what should be using maps that often?
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It's not like that. Just like whatsapp which stays always on to keep you connected, Google maps also stays on even though you don't open it as a system background process although you don't need it. The best way to remove this is to root your phone and uninstall this 'bloatware'
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RazaVakil7995 said:
It's not like that. Just like whatsapp which stays always on to keep you connected, Google maps also stays on even though you don't open it as a system background process although you don't need it. The best way to remove this is to root your phone and uninstall this 'bloatware'
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There's no need to delete Google Maps. You just need to regain some control from the app. By default it sends location data to Google. This periodic data 'seepage' also seems to have the affect of 'waking' the phone from deep sleep. Silly, especially since Google wrote the damn OS.
Anyway, this issue has been covered in other threads; you should search, there are more precise instructions out there
...or you can rely on my questionable memory; as I recall-
- Go into Google Maps
- Choose Settings
- Choose Location Settings
- Un-check "Report From This Device"
Also, make sure (on same screen) that Enable Location Sharing is NOT checked and that any of the other location-specific items on the same screen are un-checked.
If you're wondering about 'Location Reporting' under Background Location Reporting, mine is set to 'Detect your location' (thus I think this setting is OK).
Try this out. For me, Gmaps no longer uses data (or wakes the phone) unless I'm explicitly using it.
Capp5050 said:
There's no need to delete Google Maps. You just need to regain some control from the app. By default it sends location data to Google. This periodic data 'seepage' also seems to have the affect of 'waking' the phone from deep sleep. Silly, especially since Google wrote the damn OS.
Anyway, this issue has been covered in other threads; you should search, there are more precise instructions out there
...or you can rely on my questionable memory; as I recall-
- Go into Google Maps
- Choose Settings
- Choose Location Settings
- Un-check "Report From This Device"
Also, make sure (on same screen) that Enable Location Sharing is NOT checked and that any of the other location-specific items on the same screen are un-checked.
If you're wondering about 'Location Reporting' under Background Location Reporting, mine is set to 'Detect your location' (thus I think this setting is OK).
Try this out. For me, Gmaps no longer uses data (or wakes the phone) unless I'm explicitly using it.
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Awesome. Thanks for the help. I set it up the way you suggested and I'll see how it works over the next day or so.
You could the free app Greenify as well. Anything that runs in the background without your permission will get shut down by it.
maddog00 said:
You could the free app Greenify as well. Anything that runs in the background without your permission will get shut down by it.
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Excellent app, but it does require root privileges.
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maddog00 said:
You could the free app Greenify as well. Anything that runs in the background without your permission will get shut down by it.
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It's desirable (to many) to have at least some background apps able to run/consume data. Yes, you can disable all (or ration out when they're 'allowed' to run, but then you lose out on the full capabilities of the device.
Trust me, having come from Sprint and a GS2, I am well versed in shutting down and restricting apps. What I LOVE about my GS4 is that I can let virtually all apps run (within reason, and w/exception of Gmaps as noted above) and I still have 28-40 hour battery cycles.
Just be wary of 'out of control' apps. Tame them, freeze them, or delete them, but only as a last resort would I disable all background apps.
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It's desirable (to many) to have at least some background apps able to run/consume data. Yes, you can disable all (or ration out when they're 'allowed' to run, but then you lose out on the full capabilities of the device.
Trust me, having come from Sprint and a GS2, I am well versed in shutting down and restricting apps. What I LOVE about my GS4 is that I can let virtually all apps run (within reason, and w/exception of Gmaps as noted above) and I still have 28-40 hour battery cycles.
Just be wary of 'out of control' apps. Tame them, freeze them, or delete them, but only as a last resort would I disable all background apps.
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I agree. Just saying. Those apps that you don't want to run, you can tell Greenify which ones to disallow access. A one stop shop, as it were.
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I agree. Just saying. Those apps that you don't want to run, you can tell Greenify which ones to disallow access. A one stop shop, as it were.
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My bad. For some reason I thought your response said "disable all background apps". Thx for the app tip.
Per the subject, the application AutoStarts (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.elsdoerfer.android.autostarts&hl=en), which can be used to disable apps that starts automatically (boot time, auto) no longer updated since 2011.
Moreover, it does not seem to work in JellyBean, as some apps I know starts in the background is not shown in the AutoStarts app.
I tried Gemini, but it doesn't tell me WHICH service is starting, so it can actually break the app.
Anyone have recommendation for AutoStarts replacement?
Try Disable Service https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cn.wq.disableservice it receives timely updates and finds services a lot faster than AutoStarts.
youngbrod said:
Try Disable Service https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cn.wq.disableservice it receives timely updates and finds services a lot faster than AutoStarts.
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I tried that, but like Gemini, it doesn't tell me which services are started during boot or auto start.
I actually had an issue with the app that it won't stay since I turned off all services. I then have to manually try it one by one to see which one is required for the app to function.
ROM Toolbox Pro does what you are looking for, plus lots more. I'm not sure if the lite version does it also.
A newer version of autostarts is at https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdfilter=autostarts&fdid=com.elsdoerfer.android.autostarts
This thread should be in the Q&A section. http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1236
famewolf said:
A newer version of autostarts is at https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdfilter=autostarts&fdid=com.elsdoerfer.android.autostarts
This thread should be in the Q&A section. http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1236
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That's interesting, why would the Dev stop updating it in Play Store?
Anyone genius ??
Why I see the same apps appearing muliple times in Autostarts ?
Does anyone know if you can Freeze the AutoStarts app after making changes to the system and it will still work, or does the AutoStarts app need to actively be running all the time to function?
I'm just basically asking if it's a process that always runs and monitors for these processes starting and stops them, or if it is just something that modifies some Android files and runtime parameters and triggers so that the blacklisted processes don't automatically start on their own in the various specified situations.
I often see a few apps running in the background and wonder why they are not Grenified. This happens to me most with YouTube, Google Drive & Titanium Backup. There doesn't seem to be a reason why they should run in the background, thus I'd expect them to be hibernated by Greenify.
I have a rooted LG L7 II device running CM11.
Digdis said:
I often see a few apps running in the background and wonder why they are not Grenified. This happens to me most with YouTube, Google Drive & Titanium Backup. There doesn't seem to be a reason why they should run in the background, thus I'd expect them to be hibernated by Greenify.
I have a rooted LG L7 II device running CM11.
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Did you Greenify those apps? I had to ask since you didn't specifically say so. Also, is Greenify enabled in Device Administrators and Accessibility settings? And are you running Greenify in Root mode or Boost mode?
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Did you Greenify those apps? I had to ask since you didn't specifically say so. Also, is Greenify enabled in Device Administrators and Accessibility settings? And are you running Greenify in Root mode or Boost mode?
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Thanks. Gotta to admit that I didn't Greenify them manually, but waited for Greenify to do it automatically. I now sent them manually to hibernation and will keep track on whether they run in the background as they did before.
However, isn't the whole point behind Greenify that you don't need to do it manually, but let Greenify do that for you? AFAIK, neither of these apps have anything to do in the background, so isn't Greenify supposed to notice that and send them to hibernation?
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Thanks. Gotta to admit that I didn't Greenify them manually, but waited for Greenify to do it automatically. I now sent them manually to hibernation and will keep track on whether they run in the background as they did before.
However, isn't the whole point behind Greenify that you don't need to do it manually, but let Greenify do that for you? AFAIK, neither of these apps have anything to do in the background, so isn't Greenify supposed to notice that and send them to hibernation?
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Greenify doesn't automatically greenify(!) any app. There are many apps running in the background, some required, some not required. So you make the choice to greenify whatever you choose to, depending on your requirements. This is because if you greenify all the apps running in the background, you will lose some functionality. While you may choose to greenify one particular app because you don't need it to run in the background, I may not agree with you since I may require its functionality. So to each his own. That is the beauty of Greenify, that it allows you to choose.
However, once you greenify a particular app, Greenify takes over and further greenifying that app is automatic.
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Greenify doesn't automatically greenify(!) any app. There are many apps running in the background, some required, some not required. So you make the choice to greenify whatever you choose to, depending on your requirements. This is because if you greenify all the apps running in the background, you will lose some functionality. While you may choose to greenify one particular app because you don't need it to run in the background, I may not agree with you since I may require its functionality. So to each his own. That is the beauty of Greenify, that it allows you to choose.
However, once you greenify a particular app, Greenify takes over and further greenifying that app is automatic.
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Thanks for your answer. I did Greenify apps manually in the past, ones that I considered their running in the background as unnecessary (such as a shopping app I had which kept notifying me of new deals). However, I thought that Greenify could somehow identify apps who run in the background without need, and so it would send them to hibernation automatically. Guess I was wrong here.
I would like to have the maximum of control on running processes, but I feel I have not enough control, so I hope you can help me
I know that being root, managing processes and disable "autoruns" is a quite easy task but unfortunately my device is not an easy to root phone
Furthermore, I saw that Android (4.1.2 Jelly Bean) performance is very bad when you have many apps installed or you used many apps recently. Yes I listen about the internal management and I am aware that it is not a suggested practice but since I want to have control on what is happening and i have serious concerns about the algorithms to free RAM (maybe bull****), so I prefer to do it on my own risk
What I am doing is go to
-Settings, Application manager, Running, "Show cached processes"
- Settings, Application manager, Running, "Show services in use"
Identify what apps are in use and i don't like, then go to
-Settings, Application manager, All,
select app and Click "Force Stop"
Doing it my device has a better performance however, some apps still going alive after some time, for instance: Email ( I saw other in the past)
Using "Autoruns" app and checking "email" app I can see with changes of state can start "Email" however, sometime "email" is reenabled after be manually stopped but none of previous conditions happened.
How can I kill "email" or other app and force to stay off? (disable it and install other email app is not a valid answer)
I would like to use email/others as an standalone app, I mean use when I want and have out of memory when I am not using.
Besides, the autoruns, is there any scheduled task or something like that to open apps?
Of course I want to root my phone and I am waiting until someone will find a proper way to root, in fact I think that an android without rooted is like a car with square shape wheels
I think I found the cause for "mail" app being executed automatically, today it went alive after select "flight mode"
Now I would like to control Google play services, I am seeing some of these being executed continuosly, can they be killed? how?
dapgo said:
I would like to have the maximum of control on running processes, but I feel I have not enough control, so I hope you can help me
I know that being root, managing processes and disable "autoruns" is a quite easy task but unfortunately my device is not an easy to root phone
Furthermore, I saw that Android (4.1.2 Jelly Bean) performance is very bad when you have many apps installed or you used many apps recently. Yes I listen about the internal management and I am aware that it is not a suggested practice but since I want to have control on what is happening and i have serious concerns about the algorithms to free RAM (maybe bull****), so I prefer to do it on my own risk
What I am doing is go to
-Settings, Application manager, Running, "Show cached processes"
- Settings, Application manager, Running, "Show services in use"
Identify what apps are in use and i don't like, then go to
-Settings, Application manager, All,
select app and Click "Force Stop"
Doing it my device has a better performance however, some apps still going alive after some time, for instance: Email ( I saw other in the past)
Using "Autoruns" app and checking "email" app I can see with changes of state can start "Email" however, sometime "email" is reenabled after be manually stopped but none of previous conditions happened.
How can I kill "email" or other app and force to stay off? (disable it and install other email app is not a valid answer)
I would like to use email/others as an standalone app, I mean use when I want and have out of memory when I am not using.
Besides, the autoruns, is there any scheduled task or something like that to open apps?
Of course I want to root my phone and I am waiting until someone will find a proper way to root, in fact I think that an android without rooted is like a car with square shape wheels
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more info about processes, mem and autostart
I am still fighting with Android and how it manages processes, now I am sure that my main problem became each time I went into flight mode or it is restarted.
But it is not only Email being executed and being using in memory but other processes that I am not using doing that, such as:
(Mem. on OS monitor- Mem. in "service in memory"(android settings))
Event: Connectivity changed
-youtube 22.2MB-6.2MB
-Google play services(com.android.gms) 26.8MB-12MB
-Maps 20MB-4.9MB
-Factory Test (18.6MB -3.4MB)
Event: after Startup
-youtube 22.2MB-6.2MB
-Software update (18.0MB-4.3MB)
-Internet (com.android.browser) 18.9MB-3.3MB
There many apps which are executed after events like previous but they are closed after a very short time, but I am frustrated about those which are not unloaded.
Regarding "Email" app I decided to use a free email app and as Email cannot be disabled, so, I removed the accounts associated to email app, however even without accounts configured, it still being launched and wasting resources. can I avoid it?
What do you think?
dapgo said:
I think I found the cause for "mail" app being executed automatically, today it went alive after select "flight mode"
Now I would like to control Google play services, I am seeing some of these being executed continuosly, can they be killed? how?
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It's not possible to do what you want without root, unfortunately (unless you're talking about normal apps, in which case you can uninstall them to keep them from running). An alternative would be to use Greenify, though it won't be fully automatic without root either.
What about editing the startups rights?
Has anyone used APK permission remover?
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It's not possible to do what you want without root, unfortunately (unless you're talking about normal apps, in which case you can uninstall them to keep them from running). An alternative would be to use Greenify, though it won't be fully automatic without root either.
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Apk permission remover never stops an app from automatically starting. It only helps in removing the permissions we see during installation.
dapgo said:
What about editing the startups rights?
Has anyone used APK permission remover?
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You still want to do this 2 years and 7 months later? That's one late reply there
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You still want to do this 2 years and 7 months later? That's one late reply there
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Yes but after SO long I found the app 'autorun manager pro', and it allowed to disable triggers /autoStartups/autoruns
I want to use greenify to "freeze" a certain apps when are not in foreground, do don't check in the background for location, connect to internet to update, and so on and so forth. Like if weren't installed from the beginning. I couldn't find anything in the user interface, the app looks more oriented to hibernate the entire phone (which I don't want).
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I want to use greenify to "freeze" a certain apps when are not in foreground, do don't check in the background for location, connect to internet to update, and so on and so forth. Like if weren't installed from the beginning. I couldn't find anything in the user interface, the app looks more oriented to hibernate the entire phone (which I don't want).
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Look elsewhere. Greenify doesn't "freeze" any app.
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Look elsewhere. Greenify doesn't "freeze" any app.
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Ok look like there was a misunderstanding. Didn't mean "freeze" in the way Titanium Backup does, but rather prevent the app from doing anything unless in foreground. Greenify is capable of that, you just add the desired apps to the list.
Hibernation Manager is similar and has high ratings. Also explains things better.
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Ok look like there was a misunderstanding. Didn't mean "freeze" in the way Titanium Backup does, but rather prevent the app from doing anything unless in foreground. Greenify is capable of that, you just add the desired apps to the list.
Hibernation Manager is similar and has high ratings. Also explains things better.
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My understanding is, when you add apps to the autohibernate list and when you continue to work with one app in the foreground, any other hibernated app will continue to run (if started while you are working or if already running) till the screen is locked. Only after that the running apps will hibernate. This is the behaviour I am seeing.
Correct me if I am wrong.
Edit: Even Hibernation Manager works only when screen is off. Please read its description in Play Store.
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My understanding is, when you add apps to the autohibernate list and when you continue to work with one app in the foreground, any other hibernated app will continue to run (if started while you are working or if already running) till the screen is locked. Only after that the running apps will hibernate. This is the behaviour I am seeing.
Correct me if I am wrong.
Edit: Even Hibernation Manager works only when screen is off. Please read its description in Play Store.
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Yes Hibernation Manager and Greenify only work when screen is off. That's enough for me, but do you know if any app that does it also when the screen is on? (App always hibernating unless on foreground)