[GLASSWEAR] [HARDWARE MOD] [APP IDEA] Multiple Cameras - Wear OS Software and Hacking General

Why not have a Google glass with multiple cameras... zoom, infrared, night, uv, or magnifying
Being able to see heat signatures would be good for avoiding animals or people while driving.

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Home-built macro lens

Found an old disposable camera at work today, and snaffled the lens from it - 10mm diameter, 20mm focal length. Armed with a bit of blu-tack, I now have a THD microscope
Autofocus doesn't figure (it focuses fine but the range is only a few mm) - nevertheless I'm kinda smug about the results from 5 mins work with bit of junk and a craft knife
Next time you find something in the trash that used to be a camera, grab it!
nice!
i don't want to be a partycrusher... but....
http://www.quickmark.cn/En/basic/hotnews.asp?#200909211
...not as cheap as yours...
Yeah, found that when I googled, but aside from only fitting iphones it's a bit.... orange...
I vaguely remember someone was doing a commercial clip-on lens for the HD, but can't track it down. There are some blogs where they suggest using the lens from a DVD player, but I don't fancy cutting up a gadget worth more than the phone! Tried the lens from a dead webcam but it's too short - exxxxxxtreme zoom but out of focus except in the center.
Great result.
you can get one of the jewler's magnifying glass and use that as a macro lens
im looking for a zoom lens solution

Gentle Monster Eyewear II: Wearables Innovation

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Eyewear II Product Concept
Smart glasses are a symbol of Huawei’s strength in wearables innovation
Smart glasses already becoming increasingly prevalent in our everyday lives, they may soon become an important entry-point for future human-computer interaction. Huawei has always been known for its technological innovation across a diverse range of end products and continues to provide users with smart and convenient experiences in all aspects of life. As not only a stylish accessory for users on the street, but also a vehicle for improved convenience and comfort in communication, the Eyewear II Series marks a new era in which more people will wear smart glasses.
A new category of fashionable smart glasses with GENTLE MONSTER
GENTLE MONSTER, as a leader in fashion trends, culture and technology, aims to provide its consumers with “fresh experiences through visual innovation”. Their designs are bold, using vibrant colour and an infusion of avant-garde elements that are not only visually stunning, but also accentuate the wearer’s personality.
In 2020, Huawei continues its collaboration with GENTLE MONSTER with Eyewear II, adopting a design concept of “Fashion Wear”. For sunglasses and optics in 2020, Huawei has designed new products in the different timeless styles. In terms of functions, Huawei has made full use of its own accumulated technical capabilities to integrate a wealth of functions into the tiny lens frames, ensuring the beautiful and harmonious overall appearance of the glasses.
Classic design with style
For a more comfortable wearing experience, Huawei's R&D engineers have adopted a sophisticated device stacking technology to ensure that the temples are slim enough, and the entire lens body has no buttons or ports, making the design stylish and simple.
The slim temples are also made of titanium plastic, which is less dense and light. The surface is coated with a high-gloss finish, which gives the overall texture a warm and lustrous look, ensuring comfort as well as a sense of tech and style.
Smart Interaction
Easy pairing by a simple pinch
To pair Eyewear II with a device is very straightforward; users can simply place the glasses in their case and press the button on the case. Besides this, Eyewear II supports upgraded gesture controls that let user easily finish pairing by pinching the left temple.
User-friendly notification
Eyewear II glasses play a greeting when the user puts them on for the first time each day. Users also can set the greeting time to be played whenever they like.
In this way, users can enjoy smart interaction through Eyewear II.
Smart connection
Eyewear II makes a step forward in terms of smart experience. After the user puts aside their Eyewear II glasses for a while and put them on again, a window will pop up on the smartphone screen, so the user can check Eyewear II’s battery level with a glance. By tapping on the pop-up window, the user can quickly go to the device’s settings for more details. Furthermore, Eyewear II is equipped with multiple sophisticated sensors that enable smart wearing detection. The music will automatically stop when the glasses are taken off, and resume when the user put them on within 3 minutes, offering uninterrupted music enjoyment.
Convenient gesture control
Eyewear II includes an array of interactive features to improve user experience. By default, double-tapping the left temple will wake up the voice assistant. A double-tap on the right temple can play or pause music, as well as answer or decline a phone call. Users are also able to customise their gesture control according to their own habits.
In addition, Eyewear II supports swiping gestures for users to play the next/previous song and adjust the volume. In this way, they don’t need to pull out their phone but can simply swipe on the left or right temples instead, which is especially convenient when they can’t reach their phone on certain occasions.
Personal Stereo Sound for Personal Music Moments
Enjoy HD stereo with open-fit speakers
Unlike the open design of normal speakers and closed design of earphones, HUAWEI Eyewear II adopts an open-fit design which features an open-fit speaker on the left and right temple. Such design brings the best stereo experience with great sound quality.
Ultra-thin large-amplitude speakers provide immersive sound effects
HUAWEI Eyewear II glasses are equipped with 128mm2 ultra-thin large-amplitude speakers. Compared with the last generation, the amplitude has been increased by 100% to offer wider vocal range, so no matter whether the user wants to listen to music, play games or watch TV, they can enjoy an immersive audio experience.
Reverse sound field technology offers clear and crisp stereo
Privacy is crucial in the advancement of technology. The all-new reverse sound field technology and the leakage hole design on the temples cancels directional sound waves from the sound cavity, effectively reducing sound leakage by up to 12dB. Together with adaptive volume technology, users do not need to worry about whether others can hear what they are listening to, even in quiet environments such as a lift or conference room.
Wireless charging, long-lasting battery life
Powerful battery for a carefree experience
HUAWEI Eyewear II can play music for 5 hours or voice calls for 3.5 hours continuously on a single charge, and its battery life has been increased by more than 40% compared with the previous generation, so it can accompany users for the prolonged use of daily life.
Instant charge with wireless charging case
HUAWEI Eyewear II glasses have no charging port, all the charging and pairing is done within the elegant and stylish glasses case, which features new NFC contactless, wireless fast charging technology. Connect the glasses case to a power supply through a USB-C cable, and then put the glasses into the case to start charging instantly.
High quality audio recording
HUAWEI X GENTLE MONSTER Eyewear II supports high quality audio recording capabilities[1], that can record sound from roughly 20Hz to 20kHz, fully covering the frequency perceivable by the human ears. When paired with a smartphone to record videos or audio notes, the HUAWEI X GENTLE MONSTER Eyewear II frees users from the constraints of distance and cables, helping them to easily record sounds. Users can turn on the Eyewear II’s "high quality recording” function in Huawei AI Life App so when the smartphone starts to record a video, the high-quality recording will be activated simultaneously.
Hands free vlogging
Vlogging has become one of the most popular ways of expression on social media. However, when shooting vlogs, smartphone or other equipment with built-in microphone is easily interfered by the distance or environmental noise. If the user is not close to the smartphone or in an environment with complex noise, the audio will be unclear, and the environmental noise will overwhelm the audio.
Find my Glasses
When users can't find their Eyewear II, they can use "Find my Glasses" feature in the HUAWEI AI Life app on a Huawei smartphone running EMUI 11 or above to make the eyewear beep. However, please note that in order to protect user’s hearing, be sure not to activate this function when wearing the eyewear.
For details about Huawei developers and HMS, visit the website.
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Interesting Gift.
I have bought Huawei Gentle monster eyewear, the only problem is the bluetooth can not made off. If anybody knows anyway to make it off either using Tasker or a new firmwear.kindly help me

General Is Sony Xperia Pro-I a real "game-changer"?

Hello, my fellow members:
Like many of you out there, I am in grief
Only a few months ago I purchased the Sony Xperia 1 Mark III and started enjoying it. But that joy did not last long... Sony announced Sony Xperia Pro-I... Now my $1300 top-of-the-line phone is no longer top-of-the-line and it now costs barely $997. Like many of you out there, I am asking myself: should I have waited? Well, if Sony Xperia Pro-i is indeed a game-changer then, yes, I shouldn't rush in buying the Mark III and wait for the next model, but is it? Whell, that's why I am starting this thread to hear your opinions!
I did not put my hands on the Pro-I yet but from its specs listed on gsmarena (see below) they are basically identical with the only difference being the lens and the chip - that is being advertised as a "1" chip".
I am a sony fan, no doubt, as 95% of all electronics I owned or owe are Sony. But when it comes to cameras, I noticed that Sony is very cheap in giving us better chips...They changed their cameras, they upgraded them but inside you would find the same, old, Sony chip. And now I am surprised to see that Sony is pushing it into the cellphone platforms....hmmm, why? Are they ready to make a move and change the chip on the cameras, therefore, they decided to make a little bit of profit still from their old one? Who knows?
Anyway, going back to the Xperia Pro-i, is it a game-changer? Tough question, right? Well, as I said before I own the Xperia 1 Mark III and one of its biggest drawbacks is the battery. Although Sony claims is a 4500mA battery, it does not behave like one - it keeps me running for the day but that's it - at night, I have to charge it.
So, if the Xperia Pro-I has the same battery (as per gsmarena), then how does that battery will power that big 1" chip??? In my opinion: it can not! If Sony would put that big *ss chip in the middle of the phone to work in conjunction with that super-duper, power-hungry display and all other gps , satellite antenas and that octa-core processor and speakers with subwoofer and vibrations and under an android command with many power-consuming applications, then that phone would not last half a day per charge. Therefore, I think that Sony must have cropped that chip but kept the dot pitch and, hopefully, put a better battery with a real 4500mA juice. Therefore, 1" chip might not be a real 1" chip, but still bigger than the one in Mark III.
These are my thoughts, so far. Please share yours! To the lucky future owners of such phones: please be kind and post your opinion. Thank you!
PRO-I MARK III
NETWORKTechnologyGSM / HSPA / LTE / 5GGSM / HSPA / LTE / 5G
LAUNCHAnnounced2021, October 262021, April 14StatusAvailable. Released 2021, December 02Available. Released 2021, August 25
BODYDimensions166 x 72 x 8.9 mm (6.54 x 2.83 x 0.35 in)165 x 71 x 8.2 mm (6.50 x 2.80 x 0.32 in)Weight211 g (7.44 oz)186 g / 187.1 g (mmWave) (6.56 oz)BuildGlass front (Gorilla Glass Victus), glass back (Gorilla Glass 6), aluminum frameGlass front (Gorilla Glass Victus), glass back (Gorilla Glass 6), aluminum frameSIMHybrid Dual SIM (Nano-SIM, dual stand-by)Hybrid Dual SIM (Nano-SIM, dual stand-by) IP65/IP68 dust/water resistant (up to 1.5m for 30 mins)
Built-in strap-holeIP65/IP68 dust/water resistant (up to 1.5m for 30 mins)
DISPLAYTypeOLED, 1B colors, 120Hz, HDR BT.2020OLED, 1B colors, 120Hz, HDR BT.2020Size6.5 inches, 98.6 cm2 (~82.5% screen-to-body ratio)6.5 inches, 98.6 cm2 (~84.2% screen-to-body ratio)Resolution1644 x 3840 pixels, 21:9 ratio (~643 ppi density)1644 x 3840 pixels, 21:9 ratio (~643 ppi density)ProtectionCorning Gorilla Glass VictusCorning Gorilla Glass Victus Runs at 1096 x 2560 pixels except for select use casesRuns at 1096 x 2560 pixels except for select use cases
PLATFORMOSAndroid 11Android 11ChipsetQualcomm SM8350 Snapdragon 888 5G (5 nm)Qualcomm SM8350 Snapdragon 888 5G (5 nm)CPUOcta-core (1x2.84 GHz Kryo 680 & 3x2.42 GHz Kryo 680 & 4x1.80 GHz Kryo 680)Octa-core (1x2.84 GHz Kryo 680 & 3x2.42 GHz Kryo 680 & 4x1.80 GHz Kryo 680)GPUAdreno 660Adreno 660
MEMORYCard slotmicroSDXC (uses shared SIM slot)microSDXC (uses shared SIM slot)Internal512GB 12GB RAM256GB 12GB RAM, 512GB 12GB RAM UFS 3.XUFS 3.X
MAIN CAMERAModules12 MP, f/2.0-4.0, 24mm (wide), 1.0-type, 2.4µm, PDAF, OIS (315 PDAF points, 90% frame coverage)
12 MP, f/2.4, 50mm (telephoto), 1/2.9", PDAF, 2x optical zoom, OIS
12 MP, f/2.2, 124˚, 16mm (ultrawide), 1/2.55", Dual Pixel PDAF
0.3 MP, TOF 3D, (depth)12 MP, f/1.7, 24mm (wide), 1/1.7", 1.8µm, Dual Pixel PDAF, OIS
12 MP, f/2.3, 70mm (telephoto), f/2.8, 105mm (telephoto), 1/2.9", Dual Pixel PDAF, 3x/4.4x optical zoom, OIS
12 MP, f/2.2, 124˚, 16mm (ultrawide), 1/2.6", Dual Pixel PDAF
0.3 MP, TOF 3D, (depth)FeaturesZeiss optics, Zeiss T* lens coating, LED flash, panorama, 12-bit RAW, HDR, eye trackingZeiss optics, Zeiss T* lens coating, LED flash, panorama, HDR, eye trackingVideo[email protected]/25/30/60/120fps HDR, [email protected]/60/120/240fps; 5-axis gyro-EIS, OIS[email protected]/25/30/60/120fps HDR, [email protected]/60/120/240fps; 5-axis gyro-EIS, OIS
SELFIE CAMERAModules8 MP, f/2.0, 24mm (wide), 1/4", 1.12µm8 MP, f/2.0, 24mm (wide), 1/4", 1.12µmFeaturesHDRHDRVideo[email protected], 5-axis gyro-EIS[email protected], 5-axis gyro-EIS
SOUNDLoudspeakerYes, with stereo speakersYes, with stereo speakers3.5mm jackYesYes 24-bit/192kHz audio
Dynamic vibration system24-bit/192kHz audio
Dynamic vibration system
COMMSWLANWi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac/6, dual-band, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA, hotspotWi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac/6, dual-band, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA, hotspotBluetooth5.2, A2DP, aptX HD, LE5.2, A2DP, LE, aptX HDGPSYes, with dual-band A-GPS, GLONASS, BDS, GALILEO, QZSSYes, with dual-band A-GPS, GLONASS, BDS, GALILEO, QZSSNFCYesYesInfrared portNoNoRadioNoNoUSBUSB Type-C 3.2; USB On-The-Go, DisplayPortUSB Type-C 3.1; USB On-The-Go, video output
FEATURESSensorsFingerprint (side-mounted), accelerometer, gyro, proximity, barometer, compass, color spectrumFingerprint (side-mounted), accelerometer, gyro, proximity, barometer, compass, color spectrum Native Sony Alpha camera supportNative Sony Alpha camera support
BATTERYTypeLi-Po 4500 mAh, non-removableLi-Po 4500 mAh, non-removableChargingFast charging 30W, 50% in 30 min (advertised)
USB Power DeliveryFast charging 30W, 50% in 30 min (advertised)
Fast wireless charging
Reverse wireless charging
USB Power DeliveryStand-byTalk time
MISCColorsFrosted BlackFrosted Black, Frosted Gray, Frosted PurpleModelsXQ-BE62, XQBE62-B, XQ-BE62-B, XQ-BE62/B, XQ-BE42, XQ-BE42-B, XQ-BE42/BXQBC62/V, XQBC52V.UKCX, SO-51B, SOG03, A101SO, XQ-BC62, XQ-BC72, XQ-BC52, XQ-BC01, XQ-BC11, XQ-BC21, XQ-BC72Price$ 1,798.00 / C$ 2,853.82 / £ 1,599.00 / € 1,799.00$ 997.00 / C$ 1,370.00 / £ 1,083.79 / € 1,249.99
TESTSPerformanceAnTuTu: 725839 (v9)
GeekBench: 3540 (v5.1)
GFXBench: 51fps (ES 3.1 onscreen)AnTuTu: 607423 (v8)
GeekBench: 3515 (v5.1)
GFXBench: 54fps (ES 3.1 onscreen)DisplayContrast ratio: Infinite (nominal)CameraCompare PHOTO / Compare VIDEOLoudspeaker-28.6 LUFS (Average)-26.5 LUFS (Good)Battery life87h endurance rating82h endurance rating
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most people would better be off with x1 iii.
bought pro-i. not really excited. it's just a fancy toy
saved-j said:
most people would better be off with x1 iii.
bought pro-i. not really excited. it's just a fancy toy
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Do you call it a fancy toy because of the price? The Pro I sensor does not take better pictures? The pictures from the Pro I appear quite a bit brighter in auto mode, no?
marcus01432 said:
Do you call it a fancy toy because of the price? The Pro I sensor does not take better pictures? The pictures from the Pro I appear quite a bit brighter in auto mode, no?
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you see, if something looks like a phone, feels like a phone and works like a phone, it's a phone. Even if the marketing team says it's a camera with a phone attached to it.
A camera with a 1" sensor should be a camera that uses the surface of a 1" sensor, dammit, and not 2/3 of it. If Sony boasted 36mp sensor in their Alpha cameras where you could only use 24, a lot of people would be upset, but here it's advertised as a game-changer.
I bought the phone for a review. Now I'm waiting for the release of Android 12 to help my review stay up-to-date for longer. Xiaomi already has updated its flagships to A12, Samsung also has, but Sony hasn't yet rolled out an update to its most pricy flagship, which makes no sense since both Xiaomi and Samsung have hundreds of phones while Sony only has a few.
Anyway, Sony is the most balanced flagship imo, but its camera is only good for videos. It does do a much better job in that department, with its 10-bit rec.2020 video, it's unmatched. But you need straight hands to be able to use this stuff properly.
Either way, if one is a photographer, I recommend getting an APS-C camera in the likes of Fuji X-T## series. For videography, the Pro-i has an edge.
saved-j said:
you see, if something looks like a phone, feels like a phone and works like a phone, it's a phone. Even if the marketing team says it's a camera with a phone attached to it.
A camera with a 1" sensor should be a camera that uses the surface of a 1" sensor, dammit, and not 2/3 of it. If Sony boasted 36mp sensor in their Alpha cameras where you could only use 24, a lot of people would be upset, but here it's advertised as a game-changer.
I bought the phone for a review. Now I'm waiting for the release of Android 12 to help my review stay up-to-date for longer. Xiaomi already has updated its flagships to A12, Samsung also has, but Sony hasn't yet rolled out an update to its most pricy flagship, which makes no sense since both Xiaomi and Samsung have hundreds of phones while Sony only has a few.
Anyway, Sony is the most balanced flagship imo, but its camera is only good for videos. It does do a much better job in that department, with its 10-bit rec.2020 video, it's unmatched. But you need straight hands to be able to use this stuff properly.
Either way, if one is a photographer, I recommend getting an APS-C camera in the likes of Fuji X-T## series. For videography, the Pro-i has an edge.
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Now I get your comment. Thanks for the full explanation. Your suggestion of an APS cameras like the Fuji is a suggestion with which I agree and have suggested myself. I want to upgrade phones from the Xiaomi Note 10 Pro from 2019 I have now. The Xiaomi Note 10 Pro camera still gets rated above many new phone releases at 131 DXO points. Anyway.... choices for new phones have not justified a purchase to since 2019. From Sony I appreciate the micro card storage, 3.5 jack, the lanyard and the other phone features etc. Close to stock android is a big deal to me. I ran with Pixels for 6 or 7 years. Xperia's are freer from monetization than Sammy or Apple. And I have a history with Sony cameras: the Sony HX 9 travel camera and the Sony Mavica with the floppy drive.
Sony gets top dollar from consumers. But Sony the downsizing of a lot of their divisions and off- loading the TV's etc. I think they are challenged with support. Sony obviously isn't devoting a lot of organizational assets or manpower to their phone division. So the step-child doesn't get the robust support out to consumers with updates.
On top of all that, the Sony dealer where I live in Indonesia doesn't sell the phones (... I won't go into details on that) so I will have to go to Singapore and I have concerns about the service to an overly expensive phone. I really don't know what I would buy that gives me micro-card storage and a 3.5 inch jack for the classical music to which I listen.
I do disagree with you about the big sensor. So what if they only use part of the sensor? There is no way with the tech to take advantage of the whole sensor in today's slab phones. Anyway... mobile phones are a lot of fun to play with.... you are right, maybe all of them are just toys. Have fun amigo.
marcus01432 said:
I do disagree with you about the big sensor. So what if they only use part of the sensor? There is no way with the tech to take advantage of the whole sensor in today's slab phones. Anyway... mobile phones are a lot of fun to play with.... you are right, maybe all of them are just toys. Have fun amigo.
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Advertising the 1" but only letting users utilize 1/1.3" is a end-user deception. Still, 1/1.3" is big, it's nice, but it's far not the same as having a true 1" sensor. Also, relative aperture is pretty bad, f2.0 was already not impressive in 2017 - mi11 Ultra utilizes a bigger sensor and it's got a bigger relative aperture which resolves the sensor faster.
They should stop deceiving people and say the truth and explain it wisely - say, "We installed the same sensor as in the rx100m7, and cropped it so you could have 4k120 which the rx100m7 is not capable of! Also, the cropped area is the area that is almost entirely covered with phase detection AF points, so you'll only benefit from it in terms of AF speed!" But they don't. And lots of people feel they've been lied to - especially those who own the both devices and find out that Pro-i is limited to 12mp and it's not the same as the 20mp they got out of their RX100.
In the end, if one is into photography that much, they might consider a Xiaomi mi11 Ultra. In my opinion the Xiaomi gives the most camera hardware for money, and out of all the phones you see on the attached photo (i took it, it's not a stock photo), I am most impressed with the potential of mi11 Ultra. That's where you have the biggest relative aperture and a properly utilized huge sensor. At the same time, colors are not the best, Vivo x70pro+ gives colors that are more eye-pleasing if one prefers portraits. But one must not rush into buying Xiaomi if they ever take photos of moving objects due to catastrophic shutter lag. Only Xperias and iPhones, and AFAIK Google Pixels have minimal shutter lag, most other phones left me unsure whether I will always be able to capture rapidly vanishing moments. Xiaomi has the best detail and Vivo has the best color, but it won't matter if the smile is gone or the bike has left the viewfinder.
Pro-i has a very fast camera. Sadly you can't have both speed and high megapixel count on a phone.
In the other topic I uploaded a bunch of photos I took with Pro-I: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/reviews-are-in-on-the-xperia-pro-i.4371697/post-86298867
I saw that you already gave me kudos for that post. Thanks!
I'll wait now and see part of the round of 2022 devices. The Xiaomi I have has a nice camera. You are right, the shutter is slow. I really should stick to a phone like the Xiaomi's that you can get here in Indonesia. The Vivo is nice, but I find the colors oversaturated but the people I know with shoot in auto mode all the time.The Oppo Find X and a few other phones are interesting. The new Xiaomi ultra should be interesting. Still I don't like the operating systems on the Xiaomi. It is getting better, but I prefer a fairly pure android if I can get it.
Look, I am going to nit-pick here, but Sony never said it had a 1" sensor. It said it had a type 1.0 size sensor. Also they did not hide using 1/1.31 size area.
That aside, the real question is: is the Pro I a game changer? Yea and no: There are faster and larger sensors on phones. There are more powerful AI computational phones out there. However, if you don't want your grey rainy skies tinted blue, or yellowing grass made artificially green, then Xperia is the way to go. The Pro I is slightly thicker and noticeably heavier than the Xperia 1 III, which I like, but most will not. Also there is very limited zoom on the Pro I, and I find this a little limiting.
However, the main sensor is better. Better in colour, low light and detail. On phone screen you will not notice it. But on a 4k monitor or 10"x8" is is better. Not a huge difference, but it's there if you care.
This is the game changer: More interestingly is the RAW performance: if this guy is right, then most computational cameras ruin the raw output even if they have amazing jpg output. Here is the Vivo X70 Pro Plus against Xperia Pro I in raw
jagwap42 said:
Look, I am going to nit-pick here, but Sony never said it had a 1" sensor. It said it had a type 1.0 size sensor. Also they did not hide using 1/1.31 size area.
That aside, the real question is: is the Pro I a game changer? Yea and no: There are faster and larger sensors on phones. There are more powerful AI computational phones out there. However, if you don't want your grey rainy skies tinted blue, or yellowing grass made artificially green, then Xperia is the way to go. The Pro I is slightly thicker and noticeably heavier than the Xperia 1 III, which I like, but most will not. Also there is very limited zoom on the Pro I, and I find this a little limiting.
However, the main sensor is better. Better in colour, low light and detail. On phone screen you will not notice it. But on a 4k monitor or 10"x8" is is better. Not a huge difference, but it's there if you care.
This is the game changer: More interestingly is the RAW performance: if this guy is right, then most computational cameras ruin the raw output even if they have amazing jpg output. Here is the Vivo X70 Pro Plus against Xperia Pro I in raw
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You are right. I notice the difference in photos. You are correct, the sensor is better. I don't like the marketing stretch and over-exuberance. But, don't all the phone companies say they are the best? The size and thickness? Those commentators should get over themselves. Pro-i does computational photography. It is a digital product after all. The Sony look appears to be more natural to me and so I prefer it. Remember the days when photographers debated Kodachrome, Ektachrome, FujiFilm, etc. Each had it's own look. I want to remember the image I see with my eyes the way it was, not some computational blue blazing sky on a dreary day. And yes, there is a real difference in Sony vs. Sammy or Apple. SomeGadgetGuy (knows his stuff) and has said so once or more. Sony is offering a very comprehensive package (head phone jack, etc., etc.). One of these days Sony will hit it out of the park with a decent battery and a little bit of cooling for the damn chip sets. Let's hope Sony keeps up it's distinctive set of phones. The phones are quite apart from the fanboy and fangirl mass products. BTW, I do think Oppo, Xioami and Hauwei( and their sub-brands) are putting out some worthy packages. This should be a fun year for phones.
marcus01432 said:
You are right. I notice the difference in photos. You are correct, the sensor is better. I don't like the marketing stretch and over-exuberance. But, don't all the phone companies say they are the best? The size and thickness? Those commentators should get over themselves. Pro-i does computational photography. It is a digital product after all. The Sony look appears to be more natural to me and so I prefer it. Remember the days when photographers debated Kodachrome, Ektachrome, FujiFilm, etc. Each had it's own look. I want to remember the image I see with my eyes the way it was, not some computational blue blazing sky on a dreary day. And yes, there is a real difference in Sony vs. Sammy or Apple. SomeGadgetGuy (knows his stuff) and has said so once or more. Sony is offering a very comprehensive package (head phone jack, etc., etc.). One of these days Sony will hit it out of the park with a decent battery and a little bit of cooling for the damn chip sets. Let's hope Sony keeps up it's distinctive set of phones. The phones are quite apart from the fanboy and fangirl mass products. BTW, I do think Oppo, Xioami and Hauwei( and their sub-brands) are putting out some worthy packages. This should be a fun year for phones.
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Agreed on almost all points.
Size and thickness? That was me. Just comparing to the Xperia 1 III. I already have got over myself
Sure, all digital cameras are computational, but you appear to know what I am describing. The over emphasis of sharpening and saturation. The phone companies have gone overboard for me, and it appears you. Kodachrome or Fujifilm would be a nice optional filter, as opposed to Samsung defaults. Personally I find the Xperia a bit flat, and seems to be compared to the dedicated Sony cameras like RX100. But as a data, it gives you a great raw starting point with lightroom. If the YouTube link I gave is true, the other don't stand a chance if that. Lightroom's auto mode is better than iPhone ect.
Yes Vivo, Huawei and by association Honor are doing great things (Vivo you need to switch to Zeiss Natural Color first or it over saturates).
We are in agreement. I see in adverts that Sammy now claims the S22 Ultra has natural colors and a better raw. If the marketing claim is true for more natural and better RAW, then Sony moved the bar. Wouldn't it be great if Hasseblad has a real influence on the Oppo, or Zeiss hits the mark with their Sharp branded phone? It's a fun year for mobile phones. Best.
Take a look at these from the Sony Pro i I bought. Still learning and these are snaps mostly on my 2x's a day dog walks. The dog usually tolerates my camera time. I do need to play more with the video pro and cinema and see if I can unlock the potential. I also just started experimenting with the night time shots. A few shots are in basic. Mostly shot in the P, S, and Manual modes. https://photos.app.goo.gl/BM9Ratorvioy5XKS9
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Take a look at these from the Sony Pro i I bought. Still learning and these are snaps mostly on my 2x's a day dog walks. The dog usually tolerates my camera time. I do need to play more with the video pro and cinema and see if I can unlock the potential. I also just started experimenting with the night time shots. A few shots are in basic. Mostly shot in the P, S, and Manual modes. https://photos.app.goo.gl/BM9Ratorvioy5XKS9
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I have added more pics to the mix. https://photos.app.goo.gl/BM9Ratorvioy5XKS9 Getting better with the camera. Want to find the time to go out alone and shoot photos and video. These are taken with a dog on a leash. The dog is quite patient, but....

Question talk to me about the pixel 6 cameras.

ok the pixel6 has three cameras. the front camera is self explanatory. but the stock camera app is very lacking in into.
1. what is the picture spec of "medium" photo resolution vs "full"
2. why would i want to switch between the two back cameras and how do i do that?
3. there are 5 things on the back camera block, what are they in order from left to right?
4. what is .7 vs 1x vs 2x? is it optical zoom or digital zoom? and how do they get .7 zoom? shouldn't .7 be 1x and the others adapted .
and no googling for answers did not revel any info.
all anyone seems to want to talk about is the software picture tweaks not the hardware and how you can use it,
I can take pictures of squirrels (Tree rats) with the Google camera app.
And Opossums with the night vision.
Just add, I believe you need to have a Google account to access all of the cameras app features.
Imo, these questions are easily answered by most reviews. Here's a review that tells you a lot about the camera.
pixel 6 specs
1. Medium vs full is going to be the amount of compression used. I don't know why you wouldn't ever use full.
2. You have to switch between cameras if you want different zoom since they use fixed focal length lenses. One is .7x and the other is x1.
3. Left sensor is the 50MP (x1) sensor, next is the x7 sensor, next is the laser auto focus sensor, and then the flash and I believe a microphone is above the flash. Just use your finger to cover one of the cameras if you don't believe me.
4. The main camera is used for x1, that's a 50mp sensor that uses 4->1 binning so it produces 12.5MP images. The .7x is just uses a more zoomed out focal length than the main sensor (lower quality sensor too). x2 is digital zoom on the main x1 sensor.
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Imo, these questions are easily answered by most reviews. Here's a review that tells you a lot about the camera.
pixel 6 specs
1. Medium vs full is going to be the amount of compression used. I don't know why you wouldn't ever use full.
2. You have to switch between cameras if you want different zoom since they use fixed focal length lenses. One is .7x and the other is x1.
3. Left sensor is the 50MP (x1) sensor, next is the x7 sensor, next is the laser auto focus sensor, and then the flash and I believe a microphone is above the flash. Just use your finger to cover one of the cameras if you don't believe me.
4. The main camera is used for x1, that's a 50mp sensor that uses 4->1 binning so it produces 12.5MP images. The .7x is just uses a more zoomed out focal length than the main sensor (lower quality sensor too). x2 is digital zoom on the main x1 sensor.
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And if you think that is Kool.
Try using an Endoscope camera with the P6.
It really worked well for me trying to see up inside the dash of a classic car. (86 Monte)

Question Any tricks on photo quality output improvement when shooting in harsh light conditions (on the beach on sunny day for example)?

Hello. Can someone reveal the secrets of getting usable photos when shooting in harsh (bright sunny day on the beach) light conditions? I found that Xperia 1 III is handling it pretty bad regardless of my Manual settings in PhotoPro mode. Cameras are just going crazy in these conditions and photos come out underexposed, with weird colours or oversaturated. Other much cheaper phones are doing better job than Xperia in the same conditions.
The automatic mode might be better. Sony's 'pro' modes are silly toys for marketing.
The real pro solution is a reflector, a high power flash, wait for a cloud to soften the light, or only shoot at dusk or dawn.
Other phones with better camera apps will sometimes produce strange artifacts applying HDR on people. It even outs illumination by the white sun, the cyan sky, and all nearby objects reflecting light onto the person. The camera app can only guess how to fix that collage of colors.
With only a cellphone, close-ups with the onboard flash or a soft folding reflector are your best bet.
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The automatic mode might be better. Sony's 'pro' modes are silly toys for marketing.
The real pro solution is a reflector, a high power flash, wait for a cloud to soften the light, or only shoot at dusk or dawn.
Other phones with better camera apps will sometimes produce strange artifacts applying HDR on people. It even outs illumination by the white sun, the cyan sky, and all nearby objects reflecting light onto the person. The camera app can only guess how to fix that collage of colors.
With only a cellphone, close-ups with the onboard flash or a soft folding reflector are your best bet.
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That silly toy pro mode made PRO photographers completely impressed. They said this is the phone that everyone should buy who's into photographing because it's a perfect replacement for your camera, if you don't have it with you, that fits in your pocket. Someone went out with just the Xperia 1 III to see if he can get those shots he used to get with his professional apparatus. And he could! You can shoot incredible photos if you know how to use it. I had no problems so far, I'm not a pro, never was into photographing, but I can make really good shots without any difficulties.
The Xperia 1 III Photo Pro app is toy with a serious looking skin. It doesn't have focus or clipping overlays like the manual modes of other phones. At best, you can digital-zoom in to adjust for the center of the image then zoom back out. Whatever you're trying to photograph is gone before you're done mashing your fingers against its clunky interface. The only worse app is Cinema Pro.
I own an a7R 3. There's absolutely no condition where the Xperia 1 III would be comparable.
Are you sure that you have the HDR on? In the manual mode you can select D-R OFF, DRO AUTO and HDR AUTO
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The Xperia 1 III Photo Pro app is toy with a serious looking skin. It doesn't have focus or clipping overlays like the manual modes of other phones. At best, you can digital-zoom in to adjust for the center of the image then zoom back out. Whatever you're trying to photograph is gone before you're done mashing your fingers against its clunky interface. The only worse app is Cinema Pro.
I own an a7R 3. There's absolutely no condition where the Xperia 1 III would be comparable.
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I think Xperia 1 III can't beat even the very first RX100. It's unfair comparison anyway. Smartphone is not a dedicated camera.

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