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So I'm looking at moving from the Nexus S to the Evo 3D. Tired of the crappy speaker, no notification light, weaker signal and I'm just not seeing what ICS is really going to bring to the Nexus S that will be all that great. Plus, I got to play with a Sensation recently and really love the improvements to Sense.
However, back with my Hero, there were apps that, even after root, could be problematic to remove. There are lots of apps that ship with HTC devices I could do without. (Nascar, Voicemail (use Google Voice), Peep, Footprints, etc...)
Looking around at the stickies and everything, I'm not seeing anything like the kind of list that was maintained for the Hero.
Is anyone rooting and gutting, or is everyone just running custom roms?
Custom ROM here senless I've seen has the best battery I've noticed
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Shadodragon said:
So I'm looking at moving from the Nexus S to the Evo 3D. Tired of the crappy speaker, no notification light, weaker signal and I'm just not seeing what ICS is really going to bring to the Nexus S that will be all that great. Plus, I got to play with a Sensation recently and really love the improvements to Sense.
However, back with my Hero, there were apps that, even after root, could be problematic to remove. There are lots of apps that ship with HTC devices I could do without. (Nascar, Voicemail (use Google Voice), Peep, Footprints, etc...)
Looking around at the stickies and everything, I'm not seeing anything like the kind of list that was maintained for the Hero.
Is anyone rooting and gutting, or is everyone just running custom roms?
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all the ones you mentioned are safe to remove, there is not a list. So once you do get a 3D and have a list ready for what you'd like to remove, feel free to come ask in the team d3rp thread (link in my sig)
Here is a list, also with explanations:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1050283
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I have always been a little confused by some people that by and HTC phone. You see it in every HTC phone forum. People by the latest and greatest HTC phone just to get rid of Sense. You know going into buying an HTC phone it has Sense but you don't like it. Why not just wait for the GNEX? I had an ERIS. I understand trying to get every inch of speed out of your phone. This phone doesn't need that. With the Eris I even ran a Sense based ROM because it just seemed to actually be the smoothest thing to run on it. This phone was built for Sense. It just needs to be optimized and tweaked a little. On my ERIS I flashed pretty much every ROM made for that guy. Always went back to Sense. Just felt right. But if I didn't like Sense, I would have never bought this phone. I am just trying to get some feedback from the rest of you guys/girls to get a better understanding of this trend.
Well in my case I got the sensation because it was dual core. Solid screen size and it was out about 6 months before the gs2. I never had much of a problem with sense other than the fact that it's a ram hog. I would imagine people buy HTC products because of the hardware.
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So that you have less programs taking resources from other programs.
HTC makes good hardware. Up until they started being strict about locking the bootloader, you get the phone for the hardware, design (prefer theirs over Samsung), you could buy the phone and put other roms on there that are faster. Nexus phones are good only because of the software, but hardware wise its usually a little behind. So if you could put the same software on better hardware, its a better option.
Because HTC has some decent phones, but Sense is an abomination. We want the hardware, but not the ****ty software. It's a pretty simple concept.
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Replace sense with a different launcher and watch how much more battery life and snapper the phone runs and you'll understand too.
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Gary13579 said:
Because HTC has some decent phones, but Sense is an abomination. We want the hardware, but not the ****ty software. It's a pretty simple concept.
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What do you find an "abomination"/"****ty"? I just find that most people end up running a CM ROM then re-sense it with second had apps or built in features of the launchers they are using.
jim_0068 said:
Replace sense with a different launcher and watch how much more battery life and snapper the phone runs and you'll understand too.
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I have run different launchers. I actually did before I my OP. I personally didn't feel like that phone was super "snappier" or that battery changed much. Battery has been more of a screen/radios issue. I have been averaging 16 hours with normal use on the regular battery.
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What do you find an "abomination"/"****ty"? I just find that most people end up running a CM ROM then re-sense it with second had apps or built in features of the launchers they are using.
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I could rant for hours about why I hate Sense. It breaks compatibility, removes features, generally looks completely fugly (not so much now a days but on my Evo 4G, it's terribly ugly), performance issues, battery issues, closed nature is against my GNU ways, severely ****s up contacts (embeds notes into your Google Contacts in the cloud, often times doesn't sync properly etc), spams you about some ****ty HTC Sync option every time I plugin to my PC which is 300% useless as I run Linux on my desktop, and the list goes on and on.
CM7 is overall just a huge improvement. I love not being tied to HTC's garbage, being able to build and tweak my own ROMs *from source*, getting updates for newer versions before 99% of phones have them, etc.
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Hardware duhh.....are u seriously asking this...cmon
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Hardware duhh.....are u seriously asking this...cmon
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That's like buying a new car for the the power train only. There is going to be something comparable to the rezound in no time. If you hate HTC's twist on android why support them by buying there phone? Business see numbers, if they are selling their phones like hot cakes they think you pretty much like the overall phone. They are gonna just keep expanding and refining sense.
HTC isn't suddenly going to stop using Sense because I didn't buy their phones (which, btw, I've already stopped doing, samsung > *), and if we think that sense is total **** (which it is), why shouldn't we remove it? We're not paying for the OS, we're paying for the phone.
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Gary13579 said:
I could rant for hours about why I hate Sense. It breaks compatibility, removes features, generally looks completely fugly (not so much now a days but on my Evo 4G, it's terribly ugly), performance issues, battery issues, closed nature is against my GNU ways, severely ****s up contacts (embeds notes into your Google Contacts in the cloud, often times doesn't sync properly etc), spams you about some ****ty HTC Sync option every time I plugin to my PC which is 300% useless as I run Linux on my desktop, and the list goes on and on.
CM7 is overall just a huge improvement. I love not being tied to HTC's garbage, being able to build and tweak my own ROMs *from source*, getting updates for newer versions before 99% of phones have them, etc.
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I understand the whole being able to fully customize to your liking. That's why I am asking, iF you have such a hate for Sense why would you financially support what they are putting out? I also understand your a dev so you love linux and the more pure android experience. Would you buy and iPhone if you like the specs on it? I hate apple products personally, if their specs on somthing was awesome and I could change their OS to my liking I still would not but and apple product!
Hrmm... Let me see if I can figure this out.
Post a message on a developer-centric website.
About an Android Phone.
Wondering why people would want to customize the software to their liking.
I smell Troll.
It's not only the internal hardware, but the overall quality of HTC phones is great. Compared to Samsung phones, these are much more solid. Also, until this phone, HTC has been extremely friendly for devs. Nobody expected this phone to be locked down for this long.
And don't even start with apples way overpriced locked down phones.
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I think we can see where you are coming from, but it's really not as simple as you are making it out to be. There are really only a few choices out there, so there might not be one that fits exactly what people want as a whole. So we make do with what we can, like buying an htc phone for the hardware and updating the software to our liking.
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Zaphod-Beeblebrox said:
Hrmm... Let me see if I can figure this out.
Post a message on a developer-centric website.
About an Android Phone.
Wondering why people would want to customize the software to their liking.
I smell Troll.
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I totally understand about customizing your phone. I actually asked why do you hate sense. So far I got I F*ing hate it and it's ****ty. Gary did have some valid points. I prefer a Rom based on the Sense framework with the bloat gone. It can be a pleasant experience. It seems more like a troll to me to not read everything and post what you did!
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It's not only the internal hardware, but the overall quality of HTC phones is great. Compared to Samsung phones, these are much more solid. Also, until this phone, HTC has been extremely friendly for devs. Nobody expected this phone to be locked down for this long.
And don't even start with apples way overpriced locked down phones.
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LOL, sorry for bringing apple into it! I totally agree for the most part HTC makes solid phones. Thats the main reason I buy them also. I have sammy tv's but I have had nothing but problems with their phones.
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I think we can see where you are coming from, but it's really not as simple as you are making it out to be. There are really only a few choices out there, so there might not be one that fits exactly what people want as a whole. So we make do with what we can, like buying an htc phone for the hardware and updating the software to our liking.
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I see that. I just wanted to know why all the hate for sense. If it is so bad, why is their pretty much and app for everything that sense has?
Also I am laid off right now, so I have nothing better to do than start a thread about this. I knew there was going to be a bunch of hate directed blindly towards me for starting this but I honestly want to know why the hatred for sense.
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I totally understand about customizing your phone. I actually asked why do you hate sense. So far I got I F*ing hate it and it's ****ty. Gary did have some valid points. I prefer a Rom based on the Sense framework with the bloat gone. It can be a pleasant experience. It seems more like a troll to me to not read everything and post what did!
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Your question was why buy a phone that had sense on it, knowing it was there, rather than buying another brand and supporting HTC Financially when you didn't like the software.
For me, I didn't really know if I would like Sense or not. Having not run Sense on an Android phone, I was at least interested to try. I had Sense on an old Win-Mo phone, but had not had a chance to try the latest/greatest.
I suspected that I wouldn't like it (and I don't ... I'm not into social media, and I like to tweak my launcher bar, screen size, etc .. things I can't do with Sense), but this particular phone is still the best you can buy at this moment. Best screen, CPU, etc. While the G-Nex has some appeal, I had hoped this phone would give me the best of all worlds (Try Sense, if I don't like it, unlock, go AOSP, etc.).
My 'dig' at you was simply that on this type of site, in this type of environment, we aren't just 'users'. We are tweakers at a minimum, and some even hav dev skills. So the concept of taking ANY phone and not 'ripping it apart' doesn't fit. If it was a Samsung phone, we'd be trying to get rid of Touchwiz, if it was Motorola, we'd want free of MotoBlur.
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I totally understand about customizing your phone. I actually asked why do you hate sense. So far I got I F*ing hate it and it's ****ty. Gary did have some valid points. I prefer a Rom based on the Sense framework with the bloat gone. It can be a pleasant experience. It seems more like a troll to me to not read everything and post what you did!
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Did I use troll right? I don't usually use the little kid, tattle tell, words like noob, or troll.
Zaphod-Beeblebrox said:
Your question was why buy a phone that had sense on it, knowing it was there, rather than buying another brand and supporting HTC Financially when you didn't like the software.
For me, I didn't really know if I would like Sense or not. Having not run Sense on an Android phone, I was at least interested to try. I had Sense on an old Win-Mo phone, but had not had a chance to try the latest/greatest.
I suspected that I wouldn't like it (and I don't ... I'm not into social media, and I like to tweak my launcher bar, screen size, etc .. things I can't do with Sense), but this particular phone is still the best you can buy at this moment. Best screen, CPU, etc. While the G-Nex has some appeal, I had hoped this phone would give me the best of all worlds (Try Sense, if I don't like it, unlock, go AOSP, etc.).
My 'dig' at you was simply that on this type of site, in this type of environment, we aren't just 'users'. We are tweakers at a minimum, and some even hav dev skills. So the concept of taking ANY phone and not 'ripping it apart' doesn't fit. If it was a Samsung phone, we'd be trying to get rid of Touchwiz, if it was Motorola, we'd want free of MotoBlur.
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If you have never had a sense phone I could understand trying it. Thanks for posting what you don't like about it too. I am not against switching ROM's customizing to your liking. I am totally for it. Like you said if we are here we are tweakers at minimum. I was more questioning the people the first day it was out wanting s-off to get ride of sense. Then recently the desense utility came out. It just sparked my interest. Who knows when ICS comes out if I will still want sense myself.
We've all been wondering what will happen to Sense once we get the ICS update.
The honeycomb upgrade that the HTC Flyer got very recently gives us a clue:
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2130153/htc-flyer-android-honeycomb-upgrade
Here's a video of the flyer with gingerbread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70y78sBtDbA
In gingerbread, the whole UI is tweaked and looks only slightly different from the one on phones.
The video of the Flyer with Honeycomb update:
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/review/2131567/htc-flyer-running-android-honeycomb-video-review
Notice how the UI is far less modified than the Sense in Gingerbread. The lockscreen is the same, but the rest of the UI nearly stock, except for the widgets, icons, and system apps.
From this I infer that once we get the ICS update, HTC Sense won't be as extensive as it is in Gingerbread, and we will actually have less of the Sense UI and more vanilla Android.
When it comes to their phones it will be sensed out..We can hope they don't mess it all up but they will..HTC isn't very established in the tablet market so they can experiment with what they think people want.Phones have been established so they will continue doing what they have always done...
This is just my opinion though..I wish they would just leave it alone and maybe add a few things
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A look at the development team behind HTC sense
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the video you linked is the gingerbread os running on the flyer, not honeycomb
NewZJ said:
the video you linked is the gingerbread os running on the flyer, not honeycomb
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My bad, I put the wrong link, just fixed the post.
It is not like HTC is lacking in sales due to to Sense. People continue to buy their phones so why would they think people do not want it.
I am sure for non-tech people who buy an HTC phone, Sense makes things a lot easier for them and they do not even know what Sense means.
Ask an HTC phone owner who is not into modding their phone what they think of Sense. I am willing to bet they have no clue what you are even talking about.
So they straight up disabled the buttons on the tablet with the honeycomb update. Damn i hope they dont do that for our ICS update. talk about losing screen real estate by adding a row on the screen for the buttons!
so besides the sense widget clock, and the sense lockscreen, what was "Sense" on that tablet?? to me looked like straight Honeycomb for most part.
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So they straight up disabled the buttons on the tablet with the honeycomb update. Damn i hope they dont do that for our ICS update. talk about losing screen real estate by adding a row on the screen for the buttons!
so besides the sense widget clock, and the sense lockscreen, what was "Sense" on that tablet?? to me looked like straight Honeycomb for most part.
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Disable my capacitive buttons? HTC better not do something so stupid.
freeza said:
Disable my capacitive buttons? HTC better not do something so stupid.
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Yeah the flyers were a lil more hidden than ours r so I hope they don't do that for us.
Plus I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere Google released a notice to help manufacturers for putting ICS on devices that have buttons now.
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It is not like HTC is lacking in sales due to to Sense. People continue to buy their phones so why would they think people do not want it.
I am sure for non-tech people who buy an HTC phone, Sense makes things a lot easier for them and they do not even know what Sense means.
Ask an HTC phone owner who is not into modding their phone what they think of Sense. I am willing to bet they have no clue what you are even talking about.
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That was my dad's reaction when I ask him about it. I started laughing.
I do hope the HTC sticks to the vanilla ICS interface for the EVO 3D, maybe adding a few widgets and all. I prefer that much more than Sense and I don't really mind them disabling the capacitive buttons.
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I don't really mind them disabling the capacitive buttons.
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I dont think that will be OK with majority of users...
I would sell this phone the minute a galaxy nexus variant for sprint would come out if they made the capacitive buttons obsolete so soon
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am i the only person that actually likes sense??
poktangju said:
am i the only person that actually likes sense??
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said it before ill say it again
Sense looks good on the outside, but ugly on the inside. .
Kinda like a stripper
I like the some of the things it can do vs AoSP or TW.. . But the Rosie is useless and ugly. Its a ram hog and leaves/has footprints in almost every part of the OS
I think its a bit of overkill IMO
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poktangju said:
am i the only person that actually likes sense??
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na im a fan bud but personally they included a lot of sense features in ICS. The only thing ICS doesn't have is the Sense widgets and such really.
I don't mind sense either but they load it down with way to Much memory eating garbage. No reason for a stock Evo3D with the hardware inside to run the way it does..Load up a senseless ROM and ADW and this thing screams
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So they straight up disabled the buttons on the tablet with the honeycomb update. Damn i hope they dont do that for our ICS update. talk about losing screen real estate by adding a row on the screen for the buttons!
so besides the sense widget clock, and the sense lockscreen, what was "Sense" on that tablet?? to me looked like straight Honeycomb for most part.
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It makes sense for them to do this on a tablet. Honeycomb is designed to be used from any screen orientation, whereas the buttons are only good for one. Secondly, on honeycomb the status bar is also the button bar, no screen real estate is lost by having the buttons on something that is there anyway. Leaving the capacitive buttons enabled enables false presses without much benefit.
For a phone, the primary orientation is landscape and the buttons aren't on the status bar. Thus there is no reason to even use on screen buttons on a device that has capacitive buttons already. The galaxy nexus has to have a 16:9 screen which allows the buttons to be there without cutting down real estate compared to other phones.
I could not be any more certain that the capacitive buttons will not be disabled in ICS. Also, the thing that bugs me the most about Sense besides the fact that it hogs ram and decreases the performance of the device is how deep its roots are in the OS, such as the fact that the drivers for autostereoscopy rely on the Sense framework, so AOSP roms don't have 3D and may not until 3D support becomes stock for Android, at which point the Evo 3D will probably be a legacy device or obsolete.
dmablade said:
That was my dad's reaction when I ask him about it. I started laughing.
I do hope the HTC sticks to the vanilla ICS interface for the EVO 3D, maybe adding a few widgets and all. I prefer that much more than Sense and I don't really mind them disabling the capacitive buttons.
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I dont think that will be OK with majority of users...
I would sell this phone the minute a galaxy nexus variant for sprint would come out if they made the capacitive buttons obsolete so soon
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Woah, slow the hell down people. HTC isn't that stupid! (surprising right?). There NOT going to disable out capacitive buttons!!! ICS, unlike Honeycomb, can be used with our without capacitive buttons. They wont disable the buttons and put them onscreen if they don't have to, that's retarted.
But anyway, I like the idea of a less intrusive sense. I bet it won't happen however. They never really put much effort into sense for tablets, but on phones its their trademark. Sense widgets on a stockish system sounds really good, but w/e we'll have cm9 by them
I just hope they make it so sense widgets work in other launchers, like make them part of the system instead of the launcher. I really hate the rosie launcher, it just seems so stupid if I get a replacement launcher I can't even use the stock music widget.
The thing I disliked the most about sense is there wasn't really any customization. You HAD to have 5 screens. No more no less. And it's so baked in that if you use a different lockscreen you have to unlock and put in your password if you want to answer a call
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HTC Dialer sucks. It will be highly desirable to replace it with aosp ones. There is currently no one working on it. I am surprise.
crazypotato said:
HTC Dialer sucks. It will be highly desirable to replace it with aosp ones. There is currently no one working on it. I am surprise.
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Interesting. Glad it surprises you. Why does everyone assume that developing is so easy? I bet I can get you the standard dialer pretty quickly. Use craigslist and post the following:
WANT TO TRADE:
HTC AMAZE 4G for a cheap non-HTC device.
Seriously. I don't understand why people spend so much for a device to want to go for AOSP stuff.
Besides... check the Market. You might find dialer alternatives. Worth a shot.
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Interesting. Glad it surprises you. Why does everyone assume that developing is so easy? I bet I can get you the standard dialer pretty quickly. Use craigslist and post the following:
WANT TO TRADE:
HTC AMAZE 4G for a cheap non-HTC device.
Seriously. I don't understand why people spend so much for a device to want to go for AOSP stuff.
Besides... check the Market. You might find dialer alternatives. Worth a shot.
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Folks, quit peeing in Binarys cereal... dammit
zPacKRat said:
Folks, quit peeing in Binarys cereal... dammit
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Oatmeal. I don't eat cereal. I eat oatmeal.
Quite a few decent dialers out there. There are even a few on XDA....
This one is free on the market and has a presence on XDA with themes as well. It's rated highly.
https://market.android.com/details?id=kz.mek.DialerOne&hl=en
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Quite a few decent dialers out there. There are even a few on XDA....
This one is free on the market and has a presence on XDA with themes as well. It's rated highly.
https://market.android.com/details?id=kz.mek.DialerOne&hl=en
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I like this one better, I tried dialer one, now I use exDialer, its awesome AND themable.
https://market.android.com/details?...251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5tb2Rvb2h1dC5kaWFsZXIiXQ..
currently I have the ICS theme, I'm just loving it
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I like this one better, I tried dialer one, now I use exDialer, its awesome AND themable.
https://market.android.com/details?...251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5tb2Rvb2h1dC5kaWFsZXIiXQ..
currently I have the ICS theme, I'm just loving it
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I'm not a critic of the original dialer, nor am I a fan.. but the ics theme looked good enough I am giving it a try, thanks for pointing it out, nice find It IS good that it has a contacts replacement, I DO HATE the htc contacts!
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I'm not a critic of the original dialer, nor am I a fan.. but the ics theme looked good enough I am giving it a try, thanks for pointing it out, nice find It IS good that it has a contacts replacement, I DO HATE the htc contacts!
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yea with the stock sense dialer its was hard to get to my faves, but this one makes it much easier combining the goodness of snese ui dialer with the goodness of AOSP dialer, and ICS theme looks great.
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Interesting. Glad it surprises you. Why does everyone assume that developing is so easy? I bet I can get you the standard dialer pretty quickly. Use craigslist and post the following:
WANT TO TRADE:
HTC AMAZE 4G for a cheap non-HTC device.
Seriously. I don't understand why people spend so much for a device to want to go for AOSP stuff.
Besides... check the Market. You might find dialer alternatives. Worth a shot.
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Amen to that ! If you want the AOSP look... get a non HTC device and leave us, HTC and HTC Sense lovers, alone! hehe
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Amen to that ! If you want the AOSP look... get a non HTC device and leave us, HTC and HTC Sense lovers, alone! hehe
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theoretically what if I like everything about the amaze besides sense UI?... I love the camera, design, build quality, screen, speed, 42mb hsdpa, etc...there are not other phones on t-mobile or other carriers that come close to this phone, or that i like that come AOSP. the only phones with true AOSP are the google flagship phones, and probably G2x and I can't think of other ones.
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theoretically what if I like everything about the amaze besides sense UI?... I love the camera, design, build quality, screen, speed, 42mb hsdpa, etc...there are not other phones on t-mobile or other carriers that come close to this phone, or that i like that come AOSP. the only phones with true AOSP are the google flagship phones, and probably G2x and I can't think of other ones.
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So by that logic, I would like a Ford Mustang Shelby with a 4 cylinder engine because it's better on fuel.
No I want the 454 big block blower
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So by that logic, I would like a Ford Mustang Shelby with a 4 cylinder engine because it's better on fuel.
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you're assuming that sense is a 8 cylinder engine and aosp is a 4 cylinder engine. In terms of cars you have the choice of getting a regular mustang which looks the same, can get all the same interior features of the car, but with a different engine...this is not possible with phones...analogy is not the same...I'm not saying I hate or like sense, as I've said before there are parts I like and parts I don't like...but trying to create a compelling argument.
If I wanted an AOSP device on T-mobile, my only choice would be a G2X. I'd rather get the better phone and sacrifice things I don't like about sense than get a older crappy phone like the G2X...all I'm saying is that options are very limited when it comes to AOSP. you cannot make the same analogy for cars.
I myself don't like sense, touchwiz, nor the True AOSP. In my personal opinion, there are a lot of things about sense UI that slow the phone down and also drain the battery, the interface however looks great and has many neat features. Touchwiz is a piece of crap but it is lighter so it doesn't bog down the system as much. I was using CM for the longest time and was very happy. I am not a big fan of True AOSP either, I actually like a modified and more customizable yet light, version of AOSP. In my opinion this is why CM has been so successful. I'm sure xboarder's release will be amazing and make a lot of people happy on this forum. everyone has personal preferences and it's is not fair to say they should have gotten a different phone, since there are no other options...believe me after my nexus one, the nexus s pissed me off, cause it was not a big upgrade...and I waited another year for the next nexus, galaxy nexus, which also didn't impress me. I knew I wanted a good camera on my phone, fast, a better screen, and as you know at first I went with samsung galaxy s II, but hated everything about it. I can happily live with my phone with a 3rd party launcher lockscreen and dialer for the next two years...so I'm not complaining at all.
I understand when people come and complain when the AOSP from xboarder is going to be released, it get's frustrating. But I don't regret this is the decision I made based on the availabe phones on the market and I'm not one bit unhappy about it...doesn't mean I wouldn't be happier with a different rom that is more AOSP like, that is why we have XDA right? so we can have options in terms of roms, kernels, and more control of how we like to customize our phones. That is why we unlocked it and possibly voided warranty.
Binary100100 said:
So by that logic, I would like a Ford Mustang Shelby with a 4 cylinder engine because it's better on fuel.
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I think a better analogy is... why would you buy a shelby mustang, only to put a ford fiesta body on it ? Yes, it'll be fast as hell, but it sure won't look like it
NRGZ28 said:
I think a better analogy is... why would you buy a shelby mustang, only to put a ford fiesta body on it ? Yes, it'll be fast as hell, but it sure won't look like it
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looks is a matter of opinion , besides I usually run 3rd party launchers anyways...with 3rd party lockscreens and 3rd party dialers!!! I just don't like a lot of sense stuff bogging down my system...although this is easily taken care of in Titanium backup, i usually freeze stuff...like i said its not a biggie...everyone has their own preference...I'd rather run 3rd party things on a lighter system, Sense has some great features for me and some that I care not about...again personal preference...I get it you guys are big sense fans , I guess what I'm trying to get at atleast for me I wish I was a developer myself and could make a rom to my own liking lol...things I want from sense and things I don't want...and I'm sure its not as easy as i just described it...People come in to the office and ask to put gold crowns on their perfectly healthy teeth!!! do I agree with it? NO, its retarded and as a doctor i know it can jeopardize the integrity, lifespan and durability of the tooth...Do I still do this for them? yes, its their choice, and I explain everything to them and make them sign papers and make detailed notes about the situation...ultimately everyone has personal opinions about everything...It's not fair to shoot down people's opinions, just respect them...some people love tattooing their body and having lots of piercings, would I do that? NO. would I become friends with someone like that, absolutely...eh enough ranting...to each their own I guess...
Binary100100 said:
So by that logic, I would like a Ford Mustang Shelby with a 4 cylinder engine because it's better on fuel.
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Ford kinda did that with the SVO in the early 80's
NRGZ28 said:
I think a better analogy is... why would you buy a shelby mustang, only to put a ford fiesta body on it ? Yes, it'll be fast as hell, but it sure won't look like it
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In the auto enthusiast world we call that a "sleeper". Usually it just means a highly modified car that you didn't MAKE look like it is highly modified. Not everyone wants to look like the fast and the furious.. but I think we are getting off topic a bit now.
I kind of understand why someone would want some AOSP goodness.. I replaced the launcher, the dialer, the contacts menu, and I'm happy. Sense is still there, I'll bet you it is still taking up processor, bogging things down, when I don't really like the majority of it. I am all about trying to create a custom look/feel, and AOSP for me would just mean there isn't a lot of extra bling/extras in the background I don't even use.
If I could modify the number of tiles on the stock launcher, theme it and dialer/contacts, change the dock(more buttons), change the screen animations.. then I wouldn't mind the sense part so much
Hi, I just got a new HTC One last night and I want to turn it into a Google Play Edition. right now I'm running hboot 1.44 so I can use revone to gain s off. My question is after I gain s off and run a GPe RUU, can I turn it back to s on? Or will I have to stay with s off after running GPe RUU? Thanks!
klouie10133 said:
Hi, I just got a new HTC One last night and I want to turn it into a Google Play Edition. right now I'm running hboot 1.44 so I can use revone to gain s off. My question is after I gain s off and run a GPe RUU, can I turn it back to s on? Or will I have to stay with s off after running GPe RUU? Thanks!
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I would never recommend going S-on again ever.
And to be perfectly frank the GPE is a step backwards for the HTC One with Sense 5/5.5
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But I heard that it is much safer to be s on than s off. Like, I heard some users say that being s off makes you more prone to virus infections and bricking (both soft and hard) your phone. Is this not true then?
No that's BS
What I suggest is you just find a nice custom ROM like insertcoin or ARHD or viperOne and enjoy your new phone
The reason you want s-off now is when you update your hboot later you'll be unable too
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Ok thank you. So you guys don't recommend turning the HTC One into a GPe? The reason I want to is because I want to receive OTA updates as fast as possible :laugh:
Okay, I have 2 One's. I turned one into a GPE, and one into a Dev edition using the Brightstar RUU. This is just my $.02, but I have found myself grabbing the Dev edition far more than the GPE. Sense does make a huge difference, and with the RUU, I have no carrier bloat, and can tether without mods. Pretty darn cool, and the Dev edition will get the updates almost as quick. It's another thought for you.
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OTA is not needed with an s-off One you'll get newer versions here on XDA much faster than from Google
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Ok ty everyone, I think I'll give an HTC Dev a shot. Also, should I consider buying an iPhone, as I was given the opportunity to buy another phone for Black Friday? Please don't just say "ooohh, Apple sucks," I would like some real pros and cons of buying an iPhone.
klouie10133 said:
Ok ty everyone, I think I'll give an HTC Dev a shot. Also, should I consider buying an iPhone, as I was given the opportunity to buy another phone for Black Friday? Please don't just say "ooohh, Apple sucks," I would like some real pros and cons of buying an iPhone.
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i had the 3Gs for almost 4 years, jailbroke it immediately, kept doin it, was a lotta fun had all the awesome features before anyone else just for bragging rights. plus tethering was so clutch when my place didnt have wifi. i ended up gettin a 4s and thought that the jailbreakability was rather weak. theyre awesome ipods and they you can glitch and get free gems in clash of clans and if you play gta v apple is the only one that has the app, but from a hacking standpoint theyre actually pretty lame. But, its your money, do what you want with it. jailbreak it, play with it, if you dont like it, sell it...or blow it up
Ya, you're probably not going to get much Apple love here. My wife had everyone of them and then discovered the Note 2 which she is using and won't even look back, only drooling over the Note 3. My point is that once she started using an Android device for work purposes she said that the iPhone was more like a kids toy (her words) than a device that can actually accomplish things.
What about phones with Hboot 1.55? Mine had that hboot, but kinda put it to the side, since i got my Nexus. What would be the process to deal with that?
The 5s has an awesome processor in it and the new fingerprint thing. If I ever get one I needed a 32 gigabyte one. I have iTunes movies. But I heard iOS 7 has bugs in it like the iOS did. That's what made me not like the iPhone much.
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