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Hey guys. I've been agonizing over which of these tablets to get. I am an android devotee already. I have a Gnex. What I want most out of my tablet is to be a portable movie/book machine. I plan to use it as my primary netflix device over my xbox because I plan on using it at work on my break and cuddled up in bed. A big issue for me with movies is the quality with black. I HATE when movies get to darker scenes and the blacks are not pure. They appear blotchy and purple-ish. I can't explain it well. My laptop (lenovo y570) doesn't handle blacks well. Another thing I need is for the book reading experience to be superb. I plan on overloading on e-books so I'm looking for a comfortable thing to hold and screen quality to not strain my eyes with words. I'm not a big app user. I just like to read news and watch videos. The most of my app use is with videos and I do plan to use emulators. N64 especially. For my needs, which of these two do you guys suggest?
I would get the Nexus 10 then. I've heard loads of stories of the Nexus 7 having bad backlight bleed. The Nexus 10 isn't immune however, but there should less chance of getting a device with bad backlight bleed.
The sooner they start using amoled screens in devices the better imo.
Nexus 7 for Books
Nexus 10 for Movies
But if you have problems with the black levels, you should get an amoled screen like Galaxy Tab 7.7
I got my Nexus 10 today and came from Nexus 7. I have to say N10 is huge, N7 is a toy compared to it.
N7 is much more comfortable to hold and read, but its rather small.
Double Resolution on N10 could be an argument too. Text is crisp, but the tablet is harder to hold.
For a 10 inch tablet, the N10 is very handy and light, but compared to N7 its so big.
For gaming like n64 you better take the N7. Also reading on N7 is more handy. Youtube and watching series is fine too and its half the price, so I would pick the nexus 7.
I suggest you try out some 7 and 10 inch tablets. The N10 is like the galaxy tab 2 and N7 comes close to Kindle Fire.
Yeah root an Kindle Fire HD 8.9 or get a Nexus 10. No brainer. I had a Nexus 7 and just didn't feel it. Nothing stand out about it besides Jelly Bean.
My fear with the N7 is that it is too close to a phone. The difference from my 4.65 in. screen on my gnex to the 7 inch screen wont be as much of an improvement in experience over my phone with regards to movie experience. My fear with the N10 is that it will be too big to lug around to work and that reading wont be as comfortable in the 10 inch form factor. I guess I'll have to bite the bullet and jump on the N10. I think there is less downside and more justification for the purchase.
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My fear with the N7 is that it is too close to a phone. The difference from my 4.65 in. screen on my gnex to the 7 inch screen wont be as much of an improvement in experience over my phone with regards to movie experience. My fear with the N10 is that it will be too big to lug around to work and that reading wont be as comfortable in the 10 inch form factor. I guess I'll have to bite the bullet and jump on the N10. I think there is less downside and more justification for the purchase.
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I too have a Gnex and the 2 inch screen size difference forced me to get a n10. Plus n10 got micro HDMI which is essential for me
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Yeah root an Kindle Fire HD 8.9 or get a Nexus 10. No brainer. I had a Nexus 7 and just didn't feel it. Nothing stand out about it besides Jelly Bean.
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This idea is interesting. I was about to bring that up. The 8-9 inch seems like a sweet spot. The screen is pretty high res. I don't really want to do any rooting. Its not that I don't know how. I've done it on my old evo and my gnex now. I just want to keep things simple. And the amazon prime deal seems kinda sweet. I'm not sure how I'll handle the limitation with the customization though. That was my biggest issue with the iphone. I hated how restricted I was.
What do you do with the micro HDMI?
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I would say the Nexus 7. I own both, the Nexus 10 would suit the movie environment more, which would be suited to home/work etc. But the Nexus 7 is perfect for 'on the go' (literally), its lightweight, perfect for one handed use and great for reading (which is what i do with all the time).
Performance wise, its great, nothing to complain about, i have the 16gb version and i haven't found myself short of space at all. I tether it to my phone via bluetooth and all is perfect.
Aesthetically speaking, its amazing, the bezel is the right size, enough for your thumbs in landscape and enough in portrait to not let your fingers, that are wrapping around, to cause any interference.I had no defects, its a bit soft on the bezel, but well, it doesn't bother me.
Im loving the Nexus 10 though, but i wont be using it 'on the go', rather, somewhere where i would be situated for a while.
Hope this helps, otherwise if you have any specific questions, do let me know
Thanks. I plan on using it at my desk on lunch break and then bringing it home to use in bed at night to read and Netflix. That's the extent of my portability. I won't be using it on commutes because I drive.
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I don't like using my laptop for movies because the screen quality is just not good at all. The blacks are terrible. I use it for hardcore gaming. I don't like to Netflix a whole lot on my Xbox because I just don't like going through the menus and I like having a smaller screen up close rather than a TV for movies.
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errie806 said:
Thanks. I plan on using it at my desk on lunch break and then bringing it home to use in bed at night to read and Netflix. That's the extent of my portability. I won't be using it on commutes because I drive.
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I really like 9" tablets. For me, I'm able to interact with the screen without worrying about spraining a thumb. I had a 10-incher previously and that little bit has made a big difference for me. I actually thought I'd get a KF or the Nook+ (or whatever they're called -- the 9-inchers). Then I found a 9" Tegra 3 budget tab that quieted the German voice of frugality in my head...
In my opinion:
Nexus 7 Benefits:
- Tegra 3 (can take advantage of Tegra/THD-only games and game effects
- Smaller (Portability)
- Stylish Back
- Better Development (currently anyway; device existed longer than Nexus 10)
Nexus 10 Benefits:
- Faster (better RAM, CPU, and GPU; likely to receive more Android updates longer then N7)
- High-res Screen
- Larger Screen (less zooming on websites, bigger buttons, etc.)
- HDMI-out
- Dedicated Front Left/Right Speakers (N7 has 2 tiny L/R speakers in the rear)
- Rear-facing Camera
- Better-quality Front-facing Camera
I had a Nexus 7, and it worked fine and all (no backlight bleed; very minimal screen lift), but I would love the chance to try a 10-inch tablet. Now that the Nexus 10 is out, and with better specs, I can do so I'm really interested to see how gaming is on it mostly. Plus I would find a rear-facing camera very useful (I don't have a dedicated camera; trying to use the N7's front camera was a pain lol).
If it was a comparison between Nexus 7 and a Kindle Fire HD though, I'd choose the Nexus 7, unless you did a good bit of reading I guess (not that the Nexus 7 doesn't have ebooks and magazines, but perhaps the Kindle might have a larger collection). Overall though the Nexus 7 is more versatile and has a lot more features available for it, even without rooting (rooting is particularly easy on the Nexus 7 too, should you go down that path). I can't speak about the hardware of the Kindle Fire HD though since I never owned one, or even looked into it
Oh, and another suggestion. If you can't personally try out a 10-inch tablet, I might suggest making a cardboard cut-out with the exact specifications on size as a Nexus 10 (size specs are on Google's tech-spec page for the N10), and then just try holding it and stuff (that's what I did anyway lol). I learned that I seem to like 10-inch tablets, but I guess I'll find out for sure once I do get a Nexus 10 Can't really simulate weight though, so idk how heavy it'll be...
I think no reason to buy the nexus 7 except for reading books. It's too small to do anything. (well, I assume you have your smartphone to do other stuff liike mail checking etc..)
nexus 7 is really great for on-the-go and gaming.
it is light and small.
playing asphalt 7 on nexus 10 for a long time will be quite a workout but playing on nexus 7 is just right.
nexus 10 is more for watching movies.
it all comes down to you, if you like to bring it along with you anytime, nexus 7 is really the best. It doesn't attract too much attention, it fits perfectly to hold with 1 hand. If you like to watch movie before sleep, nexus 10 might be better.
I also find the Nexus 7 screen wanting, the playbook screen looked better with a much lower ppi. I also preferred the ipad 3 much better than the Nexus 7 for browsing the internet, which I assume is 90% of the tablet's use for most including myself.
I won't know for sure if the Nexus 10 is also much better when browsing the internet until I get my hands on mine but I assume the above applies since the Nexus 10 should be effectively the nexus 7 software in an ipad 4 body with an even higher ppi.
You're better off with N10. I sold my N7 and don't regret it. Anxiously waiting for N10 get delivered.
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My fear with the N7 is that it is too close to a phone. The difference from my 4.65 in. screen on my gnex to the 7 inch screen wont be as much of an improvement in experience over my phone with regards to movie experience. My fear with the N10 is that it will be too big to lug around to work and that reading wont be as comfortable in the 10 inch form factor. I guess I'll have to bite the bullet and jump on the N10. I think there is less downside and more justification for the purchase.
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I have a Galaxy Nexus, and the screen size is no comparison. it may not seem like 2.35" is a lot more, but that is diagonal space so it goes both vertical and horizontal. It really is a lot bigger than a phone screen and the perfect size for reading a book or taking with you on a trip. If I were in the market for a new smaller tablet for reading, it would be a really hard choice between the perfect portability of a 7" and the great specs and still somewhat good size of the Kindle Fire HD 8.9"
Really it just depends on if you want it primarily for reading or if you want to do a lot of video watching. Since you started with movies, then mentioned portability to work, then said you want to load a ton of book on it, I honestly think the Kindle Fire HD 8.9" would be the best choice for you. It is a compromise between both sizes (7" and 10"), a compromise on screen quality between both devices, and is a compromise in cost (but closer to the N7). It is just the perfect balance of all things you listed as wanting to do for your situation.
Alright everyone, I know this is a Nexus subforum so bring on the hate
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I have a Galaxy Nexus, and the screen size is no comparison. it may not seem like 2.35" is a lot more, but that is diagonal space so it goes both vertical and horizontal. It really is a lot bigger than a phone screen and the perfect size for reading a book or taking with you on a trip. If I were in the market for a new smaller tablet for reading, it would be a really hard choice between the perfect portability of a 7" and the great specs and still somewhat good size of the Kindle Fire HD 8.9"
Really it just depends on if you want it primarily for reading or if you want to do a lot of video watching. Since you started with movies, then mentioned portability to work, then said you want to load a ton of book on it, I honestly think the Kindle Fire HD 8.9" would be the best choice for you. It is a compromise between both sizes (7" and 10"), a compromise on screen quality between both devices, and is a compromise in cost (but closer to the N7). It is just the perfect balance of all things you listed as wanting to do for your situation.
Alright everyone, I know this is a Nexus subforum so bring on the hate
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Yeah the Kindle Fire HD 8.9 seems like a sweet spot in size. I don't know how I like that Amazon software with the ads and stuff though. A girl here at work has the original Fire and I haven't taking much of a liking to it. I wish there was a Nexus 8.5 or something. That would be perfect. I think I'm going to go with the N10. My biggest want out of the tablet is to be a portable movie machine. I'm sure books will be just fine on it as well. I used to have a Galaxy Tab 10.1 and it was great but I gave it to my sister for her birthday. I thought that my laptop would make it obsolete but due to the poor screen resolution, I'm not satisfied with the movie experience. And I cant bring it around to work.
Never buy a Kindle tablet.... Full of ads
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So I got the Nexus 10 (sold iPad 3 to get it) and I am impressed with it. The screen is amazing, I have good battery life, and excellent performance.
However, streaming Netflix is not as crisp, the lack of tablet optimized apps is annoying, and reading is kind of awkward. I don't like landscape reading and portrait mode is too tall.
It seems like the huge resolution is ahead of it's time and I am sure it's just a matter of waiting for apps to catch up.
These are a few things that have been bothering me lately with this tablet.
Anyone else have these thoughts or know how to get passed the early adoption period? I am debating whether or not to sell it and get the Nexus 7. Seems like a reasonable (more universal) screen resolution with plenty of power. Also, seems like a good size for reading and web surfing.
Thanks.
UPDATE: Thanks for all of the feedback.
After writing this post, I found some awesome review videos from YouTuber "oode". After watching those, I spent some time tweaking and getting my n10 set up. It helped me realize what a rad tablet we have in the n10.
I still have a few annoyances to figure out with movies (best player to use and rip settings), HD Netflix streaming, and better battery life tips. I am sure more Googling and XDA searching will help answer these.
Before you sell it and get a Nexus 7, see if anyone you know has one and try it out. It would suck for you to sell the 10, get a 7 and find out you regret it. This is my second 10 inch tab, and at first it can see overwhelming, especially with the 10's resolution, but just keep playing with it. It will grow on you. Before long you will have no issues reading in portrait mode. For me its like reading a hard cover book without the weight and thickness. I hope you grow to like, and as for apps, I dealt with that with my last tablet.....not to many tablet optimized apps, and now I am seeing it again. Not a deal breaker for me. I would rather have apps playing catch up then my tablet be out dated in a month. Just my opinions.
Don't get a Nexus 7. The screen isn't very good and screen lift.
I just got mine today and well i can say i am really impressed with it , and i love it. I know there are not many apps optimized for the tab but yeah its not that bad for me. Also My netflix streaming is awesome, whats happening to yours ?
If you feel the screen is too big try using a 15 inch laptop for a while which will put the Nexus 10 inch screen with it's higher screen resolution in/to perspecive.
I have not touched my laptop since getting the Nexus 10 which was not the case with my Galaxy tab 7.7 inch screen which I have sold.
I find, just like my laptop, that I don't need any apps for using the Web and there are plenty of stand alone apps for navigation, music, office, games etc.
I hold the Nexus 10 in landscape like a laptop for viewing videos and web sites with a lot of full width detail so that I don't need to zoom, otherwise I use portrait.
Think twice before selling the Nexus 10 for it is the only tablet which gives a high definition Netbook performance in an even more portable format.
Try the Ocean browser too for it makes Web browsing on the Nexus 10 very fast and it supports Flash too.
I feel the same way OP. I had a nexus 7 and I loved it. Netflix and video media on the nexus 10 is a turn down. The screen is amazing but I sold my nexus 7 for a better media viewing experiece. The watching of media or movies isn't good at all on the Nexus 10.
I'm also debating of keeping or returning.
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I feel the same way OP. I had a nexus 7 and I loved it. Netflix and video media on the nexus 10 is a turn down. The screen is amazing but I sold my nexus 7 to watch media and read. The watching of media or movies isn't good at all.
I'm also debating of keeping or returning.
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I don't see the problem with Netflix. Seriously. Plays fine and looks as good as it can considering Netflix streams at 720p at best.
Don't see the issue with any other media either. There are issues with codecs but that's a problem with the Nexus7 as well, just comes with the AOSP territory.
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I don't see the problem with Netflix. Seriously. Plays fine and looks as good as it can considering Netflix streams at 720p at best.
Don't see the issue with any other media either. There are issues with codecs but that's a problem with the Nexus7 as well, just comes with the AOSP territory.
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Same here i cant find the problem with netflix, mine looks great. As good as it gets i can say.
Netflix video and audio don't match on my tablet. Also, Frames skips after a while.
Is my tablet defective??
Can you guys try a few movies and let me know.
Thanks.
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I feel the same way OP. I'm on my second one after returning the first for light bleed, go figure this ones worse. I like the size it just doesn't have the performance I was expecting. Yeah its got a huge rez, but my N4 feels 10x more fluid than the N10. Even just basic stuff like swiping to another screen feels better on the N4. IMO the android experience is just a lot better on the N4, which I find myself using even when I have the N10 sitting next to me.
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I did a factory restore a few hours ago wanting to return the Nexus, I reinstalled Netflix right now and it is running good. That's strange. I'm also not getting any WiFi drops like I was getting before. I'm going to keep an eye on this.
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have u any chance checked mark force gpu rendering before
Tomatoes8 said:
Don't get a Nexus 7. The screen isn't very good and screen lift.
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Did you get tired typing so much information about your conclusion? And you must be very well placed in the tech community to pass judgement on a device that SOLD, not shipped, sold, one million units last month alone. Screen lift? Seriously? that is so last month's news.
But thanks for your 8 word review of the N7.
Apples to Apples the N10 is the better hardware platform. No question. It has both a front and rear facing camera. Has a display that might rival the retina display on the iPad, etc.
Get the N7 if you want a tab that will fit in a jacket or back pocket, can be held in one hand and can be bought for under $300. It really comes down to size, and your intended use. The N7 is not for bragging rights. It's for having a pure Google device in the same price you can get a Kindle or Nook for.
I'm here to read about how the new 10's see what problems they might be having, etc. But I am VERY happy with my N7 and take it everywhere with me. When I get the N10 I'll be keeping the N7.
Im not bummed out, this tab is 100x better than the ipad
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abhele said:
have u any chance checked mark force gpu rendering before
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Whats wrong with checking that?
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ezas said:
Did you get tired typing so much information about your conclusion? And you must be very well placed in the tech community to pass judgement on a device that SOLD, not shipped, sold, one million units last month alone. Screen lift? Seriously? that is so last month's news.
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Well, my own anecdotal Nexus 7 experience is that I account for FIVE of the devices. 4 16gb units and 1 32gb. Every single one of them had a major defect, including my current 32gb.
First one had a bad USB connector as well as major light bleed, but never had time to develop the screen lift issue because it was on the way back to Asus in a matter of hours.
Second one had astoundingly bad light bleed in 8 places, once again sent back before the screen had time to lift.
Third one had modest light bleed, but creaked, and within a week the screen lifted an epic amount. I was worried I might slice my hand.
The fourth also had bad light bleed, came shipped with a broken tab on the back cover so there was always a gap on the left side, and (wait for it) the screen was doing an epic lift. Still waiting on its replacement to come back from Asus.
And my final and current model is an October production 32gb that seemed pretty good at first, almost no light bleed and the least washed-out looking display of the bunch. And within two days the screen was lifting.
Now, I only purchased 2, my first 16gb and my current 32gb, both at retail stores. I should also note that it cost me $80 so far in RMA shipping.
I like the form factor for some things, mostly books and surfing on the throne. I'm satisfied with the performance, and not unhappy with the purchase price. It does what it does pretty well. But it's built like a 80's Hyundai.
Love the N10, playing full encoded BD 720p movies with no problems. Haven't tested the 1080p BD encodes yet.
Netflix runs great, Slingplayer runs good.
My N7 goes everywhere with me. It has no issues and was a first run batch.. light bleed? who knows, i dont put mine in a pure black enviorment with max brightness just to find a problem. IMO once it's reported a few times, some poeple go out of thier way to find fault.
I agree the N10 gonna take some time to get used to to read on. But playing games on is fun....
Both great products and excellant build IMO
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Whats wrong with checking that?
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It either increases performance or causes stuff to break (well, I guess it could also do both ). It's worth checking out if you haven't though.
As for being bummed out; meh, I sold my Nexus 7 for a Nexus 10 because of the specs. A15 ARM processor, Mali-T604 GPU, 2560x1600 resolution, that just destroyed the Nexus 7's specs. It seems the Nexus 10 can run hot enough after a long enough period of load to throttle the CPU frequency lower, which is a slight concern. Nexus 4 also does this, but I'm not entirely sure if such a thing occurs on the Nexus 7 or not.
My main interest in getting a Nexus 10 was gaming. However, when playing DEAD TRIGGER and SHADOWGUN: DeadZone, I feel that the N10's size is a bit... too much. Getting a controller should easily solve this little problem though
But in any case, the Nexus 10 also has HDMI-out, rear-facing camera, 5GHz WiFi support, LED light notification, better front-facing camera, and front-facing speakers. Nexus 7 doesn't have any of that (unless something changed with the newer models).
No issues with Netflix for newer videos, older stuff doesn't look great on anything. Videos I'm streaming from PC look awesome and I just use a Nook touch for my reading, need eink for that. Yea some apps don't look as great as they could, but nothing as bad as an iPhone app on the iPad.
I think a lot of my thoughts and feelings stem from just coming from an iPad with thousands of tablet optimized apps, down to less than 100 on the n10. When it comes down to it, I use my tablet primarily for reading, web browsing, videos (YouTube, Netflix and Movies), taking notes, and very light gaming. I don't use that many apps on my tablet. However, I have a lot of apps on my gNexus since it has an internet connection 24/7. The only reason I use my laptop is when I want to do some real PC gaming.
After writing this post, I found some awesome review videos from YouTuber "oode". After watching those, I spent some time tweaking and getting my n10 set up. It helped me realize what a rad tablet we have in the n10.
I still have a few annoyances to figure out with movies (best player to use and rip settings), HD Netflix streaming, and better battery life tips. I am sure more Googling and XDA searching will help answer these.
Thanks for all of the feedback!
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UPDATE: Thanks for all of the feedback.
After writing this post, I found some awesome review videos from YouTuber "oode". After watching those, I spent some time tweaking and getting my n10 set up. It helped me realize what a rad tablet we have in the n10.
I still have a few annoyances to figure out with movies (best player to use and rip settings), HD Netflix streaming, and better battery life tips. I am sure more Googling and XDA searching will help answer these.
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Oode's reviews are the main reason why I bought my Nexus 10! After seeing his enthusiasm for the tablet I was sold. Google need to cut that dude a cheque.
...and it should have an 8" 4:3 size for $200-250.
Why? It's the sweet spot of usability, combined with the sweet spot in consumer pricing ($200'ish).
iPad Mini (12 million est for this Q4) is reported to have higher demand than iPad 4, despite its low-res display and relative high price to the KFHD and N7.
For small tablets and of course phones, portrait mode is preferred. The mode lends itself better to one-handed use than landscape. When in this mode, the main spec that determine "tablet size" is display width, ie the larger the width, the more content you can see at a glance.
7" 16:10 tablets have a display width of 3.7". You can see how "small" they are by trying to read web pages in portrait.
iPad Mini's display width is 4.7", a full inch larger. It achieves this while maintaining a smaller physical width than KFHD (5.3" vs 5.4"), and being lighter than both KFHD and N7 (308g vs 394g and 340g, respectively). Mini also has better reported battery life than KFHD & N7 (12:43 per Engadget).
The Mini is almost as "large" as the N10. N10's display width is 5.3", only 0.6" more than Mini. However, it is much larger (less portable), heavier, and can't be used one-handed. It also has shorter battery life, and is more expensive.
Widescreen fans will no doubt disagree, and vids are certainly better on 16:10. But there's no argument that for one-handed use, portrait mode is best. iPad Mini is more portable than the 10" and have almost the same usability, being only 0.6" "smaller."
Instead of chasing after the "best" specs as N10 did, with resultant hits in lower battery life and higher price, I'd also submit that the Nexus 8 should have "good enough" specs, ie 1024x768 screen (what Mini has), and a Tegra 3 or equivalent. This should allow the $200-250 price range suggested above for 2013.
Why? Because for market share--how devs make their calculations on whether to develop for a platform--a $200 tablet counts the same as a $400 tablet. And it's a lot easier to sell more $200 tabs than $400 ones.
Edit: Yes, there are already Chinese 8" 4:3 tabs that are around the $120-150/qty1 range. But their quality is poor, battery life low, and of course no direct Google support. The suggested $200 price should be very doable, and also allow Goog/vendor a decent profit.
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I actually would love a 12" tablet. screens smaller than 10" im not interested.
For someone who has just ordered their N10 I like reading these kind of threads.
I look forward to my N10 and think we will get enough use out of it to justify the purchase, so much so I think the next purchase would be a N7 for more portability. That being said, I like the widescreen look for "most" things but will see myself going portrait for webpages and a few games I suppose. I am getting the N10 for the whole family where I think the N7 is maybe a little more personal.
Either way viewing spec's are over my head but thanks for the info and opinion. An 8" would be interesting indeed.
I would love an 8.9 in tablet. A ton..
I think I'm at the point where I like using my Nexus 10 as my "portable" tablet and I'd be interested in having some kind of 15" or 17" coffee table tablet for sofa / bed use. I really don't need anything in between my Nexus 4 and Nexus 10 for size and if I did, my wife's Nexus 7 is definitely fine.
But, if Google wants to release an entire family, go for it.
Nexus 4 - phone
Nexus 5 - phablet
Nexus 6 - phablet
Nexus 7 - mini tablet
Nexus 8 - mini tablet
Nexus 9 - tablet
Nexus 10 - tablet
Nexus 12 - ultra tablet
Nexus 14 - ultra tablet
Nexus 16 - coffee table tablet
Nexus 20 - just. because.
I like the 7" due to its size the iPad mini might have a better display but it isn't as horrible that said you might as well buy a iPad 2 with the same specs and price. I want to see a N7 with a 1080P display which is achievable since 5" phones have them. It should have a dual a15 and 2 gb ram. A bigger battery and slimmer profile then the iPad mini it should also be made out of aluminium. It should only have a front facing camera and it should use the latest components with wireless charging. It should be also manufactured by google instead of Asus I do not like the fact that google uses hardware manufacturers to make a nexus device because it is then no longer pure android with LG or samsung written on the back rather it would feel like a google device with google written. O would rather have a product overpriced like the iPad mini that works then to buy a bargain that doesn't work like the N7 and its cheap components.
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I like the 7" due to its size the iPad mini might have a better display but it isn't as horrible that said you might as well buy a iPad 2 with the same specs and price. I want to see a N7 with a 1080P display which is achievable since 5" phones have them. It should have a dual a15 and 2 gb ram. A bigger battery and slimmer profile then the iPad mini it should also be made out of aluminium. It should only have a front facing camera and it should use the latest components with wireless charging. It should be also manufactured by google instead of Asus I do not like the fact that google uses hardware manufacturers to make a nexus device because it is then no longer pure android with LG or samsung written on the back rather it would feel like a google device with google written. O would rather have a product overpriced like the iPad mini that works then to buy a bargain that doesn't work like the N7 and its cheap components.
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You're suggesting Google begin hardware manufacturing without any background or experience in the area? They'd have to start from scratch, which is completely impractical. They have heavy involvement in the design of Nexus devices, but there's no reason they should do the actual manufacturing. Not even Apple does their own building.
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You're suggesting Google begin hardware manufacturing without any background or experience in the area? They'd have to start from scratch, which is completely impractical. They have heavy involvement in the design of Nexus devices, but there's no reason they should do the actual manufacturing. Not even Apple does their own building.
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i would imagine that would be where their purchase of motorola would come in handy...
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Nexus 20 - just. because.
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lmao
No 4 by 3 crap. A 4:3 8 inch tablet would be too wide in portrait to your hands around comfortably.
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No 4 by 3 crap. A 4:3 8 inch tablet would be too wide in portrait to your hands around comfortably.
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this. 4:3 died with the crt television
I think you've misunderstood why the IPad mini sells so well. It's Apple. Pretty much everything they release these days sells like crazy
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Nexus 20 - just. because.
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I'd buy it
2 years on and it looks like it is almost here, well a Nexus 9 at least. I'd rather an 8.1" with no bezel because of a specific use case, but the 9 looks like a nice option. Oh, and 16:10 - 4:3 is now long gone.
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I actually would love a 12" tablet. screens smaller than 10" im not interested.
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This. Zero interest in a sub-10 inch tablet. This is the sweet spot for me size wise.
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Deciding between and N10 and N7, and I am torn.
Nexus 7
+ Smaller/More portable
+ Zippy Tegra 3
- 720p screen
Nexus 10
+ Insane Resolution
- Dual Core
That's all I really know about both devices. I have 2 friends with N7's and I really like the form factor, A LOT. But something about the N7 just doesn't sell me on it. Likewise, the N10 seems to be something I'm more familiar with, but the price tag seems like a bit much for me, considering I've never managed to see one in retail.
All opinions appreciated*
*unless its rude and snarky
Rebel908 said:
Deciding between and N10 and N7, and I am torn.
Nexus 7
+ Smaller/More portable
+ Zippy Tegra 3
- 720p screen
Nexus 10
+ Insane Resolution
- Dual Core
That's all I really know about both devices. I have 2 friends with N7's and I really like the form factor, A LOT. But something about the N7 just doesn't sell me on it. Likewise, the N10 seems to be something I'm more familiar with, but the price tag seems like a bit much for me, considering I've never managed to see one in retail.
All opinions appreciated*
*unless its rude and snarky
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I've purchased the Nexus 7 twice, and I've sold it twice. The first time I sold it was when I purchased the Nexus 10... Then I re-purchased it a month later because I missed the small form factor for when I was out of the house. I then return it 7 days later (yesterday) when I jumped ship to T-Mobile and upgraded my Nexus S to the Nexus 4. The Nexus 4 made the Nexus 7 a redundant piece of technology and also out performs it by a large margin.
The Nexus 7 is a great piece of equipment for the price.. I will give you the pros and cons..
Cons
* - Audio quality via the headphones is awful. There are a ton of apps claiming to make your headphones vomit rainbows and unicorns but those types of app packages I steer clear from as I don't believe in them as from past experience they never work. DAC matters not the app.
* - I/O speeds are slow.. You can see a side by side comparison I posted of the read/write speeds between the Nexus 7 and Nexus 10 here. It can be slower to load apps/games than you might expect a tablet to perform. It's not bad, but compared to other devices it's noticable.
* - Color reproduction isn't the best.
* - (opinion) The Tegra 3 I wasn't impressed with.
* - No rear facing camera
Pros
* - Size: If you have no other tablet or a Smartphone with a large LCD like a Nexus 4 or GS3 then this will be a great portable device for you to get stuff done with.
* - Price: Currently what you get for the price is a good bargin. The longer its on the market though the slimmer this "good bargin" edge becomes and inches closer to being just another tablet on the market in a price range. It's still a great bang for the buck though and not much competes with it.. Yet...
Nexus 7 is exactly what it was aimed to be.. A good performing tablet on above average hardware for the price. You miss out on things like high i/o speeds and a rear camera but you have to give some things up for the $249 price tag.
Nexus 10
Cons
* - Same bad color reproduction the Nexus 7 had.. It's not a deal breaker but it's obvious.
* - The general consensus is don't buy them from Google directly. Find a retailer as it will make returns easier if it's defective.. Some believe the N10s have a high defect rate, some believe they don't.. It's currently the elephant in the room in the N10 forums. I wouldn't let it keep you from buying one but just be aware the concern exists.
* - Size.. It's 10 inches.. Some people think that this will never be a concern for them.. Until they get it and try making it a part of their daily schedule.. It's not meant to be throw in your pocket and carry around as a day planner.. It's big
* - You can't play Tegra HD games
* - It ain't cheap
Pros
* - Speed.. Speed.. Speed.. Mother of god is it fast
* - Resolution speaks for itself.. The screen is incredible
* - Battery life considering the pixels and speed the processor is putting out is fantastic. I average 8-10hrs of screen on time with non-gaming casual use.
* - Audio quality is excellent.. Woflson DAC on board.. No need for magic pills and As Seen On TV products to make it reproduce audio at high quality. The onboard speaker quality is really good also.
* - Gaming performance is excellent and far out performs the N7
Summary.. It depends.. If you plan on upgrading your phone (no idea what you have) soon I would go the Nexus 10.. Like I said.. Soon as I got my hands on a Nexus 4 the Nexus 7 became instantly redundant and outdated. The only thing sacrificed was 2.3 inches of screen but I gained ten fold in performance, screen quality and audio quality...
styckx said:
I've purchased the Nexus 7 twice, and I've sold it twice. The first time I sold it was when I purchased the Nexus 10... Then I re-purchased it a month later because I missed the small form factor for when I was out of the house. I then return it 7 days later (yesterday) when I jumped ship to T-Mobile and upgraded my Nexus S to the Nexus 4. The Nexus 4 made the Nexus 7 a redundant piece of technology and also out performs it by a large margin.
The Nexus 7 is a great piece of equipment for the price.. I will give you the pros and cons..
Cons
* - Audio quality via the headphones is awful. There are a ton of apps claiming to make your headphones vomit rainbows and unicorns but those types of app packages I steer clear from as I don't believe in them as from past experience they never work. DAC matters not the app.
* - I/O speeds are slow.. You can see a side by side comparison I posted of the read/write speeds between the Nexus 7 and Nexus 10 here. It can be slower to load apps/games than you might expect a tablet to perform. It's not bad, but compared to other devices it's noticable.
* - Color reproduction isn't the best.
* - (opinion) The Tegra 3 I wasn't impressed with.
* - No rear facing camera
Pros
* - Size: If you have no other tablet or a Smartphone with a large LCD like a Nexus 4 or GS3 then this will be a great portable device for you to get stuff done with.
* - Price: Currently what you get for the price is a good bargin. The longer its on the market though the slimmer this "good bargin" edge becomes and inches closer to being just another tablet on the market in a price range. It's still a great bang for the buck though and not much competes with it.. Yet...
Nexus 7 is exactly what it was aimed to be.. A good performing tablet on above average hardware for the price. You miss out on things like high i/o speeds and a rear camera but you have to give some things up for the $249 price tag.
Nexus 10
Cons
* - Same bad color reproduction the Nexus 7 had.. It's not a deal breaker but it's obvious.
* - The general consensus is don't buy them from Google directly. Find a retailer as it will make returns easier if it's defective.. Some believe the N10s have a high defect rate, some believe they don't.. It's currently the elephant in the room in the N10 forums. I wouldn't let it keep you from buying one but just be aware the concern exists.
* - Size.. It's 10 inches.. Some people think that this will never be a concern for them.. Until they get it and try making it a part of their daily schedule.. It's not meant to be throw in your pocket and carry around as a day planner.. It's big
* - You can't play Tegra HD games
* - It ain't cheap
Pros
* - Speed.. Speed.. Speed.. Mother of god is it fast
* - Resolution speaks for itself.. The screen is incredible
* - Battery life considering the pixels and speed the processor is putting out is fantastic. I average 8-10hrs of screen on time with non-gaming casual use.
* - Audio quality is excellent.. Woflson DAC on board.. No need for magic pills and As Seen On TV products to make it reproduce audio at high quality. The onboard speaker quality is really good also.
* - Gaming performance is excellent and far out performs the N7
Summary.. It depends.. If you plan on upgrading your phone (no idea what you have) soon I would go the Nexus 10.. Like I said.. Soon as I got my hands on a Nexus 4 the Nexus 7 became instantly redundant and outdated. The only thing sacrificed was 2.3 inches of screen but I gained ten fold in performance, screen quality and audio quality...
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Well said and helped me make my decision! Nexus 10 it is! :good::good:
I'd only add one thing: the Tegra 3 in the Nexus 7 absolutely gets destroyed by the Exynos 5 in the N10. Even though the Exynos 5 is dual core, it's based on the newer A15 architecture which is a huge jump in performance, so the core count doesn't really matter in this case.
i bought the nexus 7 day 1, It was a awesome little tab and ran great until 4.2.1. New update smoothed it out a bit. It's nice, but I also have a Note 2 and the jump to the tab wasnt big enough. I still used it, but i just wasnt completly happy having both. I bought the Nexus 10 last week and love it. Its fast, great resolution, great camera and doesnt feel too big for me when im laying in bed which was my main concern. I actually booted up my N7 last night and just holding it i kept thinking "what is this a tablet for ants?". It's funny considering I dont get that feeling with the note 2, but then again its probably because i know its a phone not a tablet.
I'd say it depends what your phone is. If you have a iphone or something with a smaller screen, you might want to go for the N7, if its something in the bigger end near 5" or more, go with the N10
I went for the 10 over the 7 because I have a Galaxy S3 for portability and wanted a larger screen to use about the house. Oh and the specs of the 10 simply blew me away .
styckx said:
I've purchased the Nexus 7 twice, and I've sold it twice. The first time I sold it was when I purchased the Nexus 10... Then I re-purchased it a month later because I missed the small form factor for when I was out of the house. I then return it 7 days later (yesterday) when I jumped ship to T-Mobile and upgraded my Nexus S to the Nexus 4. The Nexus 4 made the Nexus 7 a redundant piece of technology and also out performs it by a large margin.
The Nexus 7 is a great piece of equipment for the price.. I will give you the pros and cons..
Cons
* - Audio quality via the headphones is awful. There are a ton of apps claiming to make your headphones vomit rainbows and unicorns but those types of app packages I steer clear from as I don't believe in them as from past experience they never work. DAC matters not the app.
* - I/O speeds are slow.. You can see a side by side comparison I posted of the read/write speeds between the Nexus 7 and Nexus 10 here. It can be slower to load apps/games than you might expect a tablet to perform. It's not bad, but compared to other devices it's noticable.
* - Color reproduction isn't the best.
* - (opinion) The Tegra 3 I wasn't impressed with.
* - No rear facing camera
Pros
* - Size: If you have no other tablet or a Smartphone with a large LCD like a Nexus 4 or GS3 then this will be a great portable device for you to get stuff done with.
* - Price: Currently what you get for the price is a good bargin. The longer its on the market though the slimmer this "good bargin" edge becomes and inches closer to being just another tablet on the market in a price range. It's still a great bang for the buck though and not much competes with it.. Yet...
Nexus 7 is exactly what it was aimed to be.. A good performing tablet on above average hardware for the price. You miss out on things like high i/o speeds and a rear camera but you have to give some things up for the $249 price tag.
Nexus 10
Cons
* - Same bad color reproduction the Nexus 7 had.. It's not a deal breaker but it's obvious.
* - The general consensus is don't buy them from Google directly. Find a retailer as it will make returns easier if it's defective.. Some believe the N10s have a high defect rate, some believe they don't.. It's currently the elephant in the room in the N10 forums. I wouldn't let it keep you from buying one but just be aware the concern exists.
* - Size.. It's 10 inches.. Some people think that this will never be a concern for them.. Until they get it and try making it a part of their daily schedule.. It's not meant to be throw in your pocket and carry around as a day planner.. It's big
* - You can't play Tegra HD games
* - It ain't cheap
Pros
* - Speed.. Speed.. Speed.. Mother of god is it fast
* - Resolution speaks for itself.. The screen is incredible
* - Battery life considering the pixels and speed the processor is putting out is fantastic. I average 8-10hrs of screen on time with non-gaming casual use.
* - Audio quality is excellent.. Woflson DAC on board.. No need for magic pills and As Seen On TV products to make it reproduce audio at high quality. The onboard speaker quality is really good also.
* - Gaming performance is excellent and far out performs the N7
Summary.. It depends.. If you plan on upgrading your phone (no idea what you have) soon I would go the Nexus 10.. Like I said.. Soon as I got my hands on a Nexus 4 the Nexus 7 became instantly redundant and outdated. The only thing sacrificed was 2.3 inches of screen but I gained ten fold in performance, screen quality and audio quality...
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Thanks for saving me all that typing lol... that's exactly why I have a10 now. My wife has the Nexus 7. Between the I/O speeds and premium feel its a no brainer. I have two managers at work who are getting then after seeing mine. One even returned his 2 day old iPad4 because it was no comparison. Also not to be over looked are the front speakers. You never quite realize how bad cupping is to get decent sound is until you don't have to do it anymore.... pure perfection.
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Thanks for saving me all that typing lol... that's exactly why I have a10 now. My wife has the Nexus 7. Between the I/O speeds and premium feel its a no brainer. I have two managers at work who are getting then after seeing mine. One even returned his 2 day old iPad4 because it was no comparison. Also not to be over looked are the front speakers. You never quite realize how bad cupping is to get decent sound is until you don't have to do it anymore.... pure perfection.
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You are absolutely correct about the sound quality, I've given up on the Nexus 10 a few times after feeling it was impossible to get one without major issues but keep coming back after trying other devices. My favorite alternative was the Asus Vivotab Smart but the volume is extremely low and poor sounding which ultimately made me return it and try a few more nexus 10's the sound quality on this tablet is amazing compared to the rest.
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...My favorite alternative was the Asus Vivotab Smart but the volume is extremely low and poor sounding which ultimately made me return it and try a few more nexus 10's the sound quality on this tablet is amazing compared to the rest.
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I was actually considering buying this tablet in the future, but hearing the various reports of audio volume, it doesn't sound too good.
I sold my iPad 3 for it because I thought Google had gotten it right this time. Big mistake. Significant downgrade.
Wait for Google I/O. They will probably release a new tablet of some sorts
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Wait for Google I/O. They will probably release a new tablet of some sorts
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Currently the Nexus 10 is the best tablet on the market. So if you wait for a new tablet it's probably going to come out at the end of the year
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Got my nexus 10 ordered and on the way! Can't wait!
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I sold my iPad 3 for it because I thought Google had gotten it right this time. Big mistake. Significant downgrade.
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How so?
Better screen resolution. Even The Verge said it was on par if-not better then the iPad4 screen.
More memory
Lower price
Significantly better sound quality from forward firing speakers
I had an iPad 3, dad has a 4. I sold mine for the Nexus 7 and then upgraded to the N10. I have two friends at work getting them as well, one of whom returned his iPad4 after 3 days for the N10.
Although I'm a Android lover I was a huge advocate for the iPad. It was a great device done right. But not so much anymore. Google did an amazing job on this device and I can no longer recommend an iPad, only the apps are better, but to be honest in the past 6 months the play store has jumped by leaps and bounds
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How so?
Better screen resolution. Even The Verge said it was on par if-not better then the iPad4 screen.
More memory
Lower price
Significantly better sound quality from forward firing speakers
I had an iPad 3, dad has a 4. I sold mine for the Nexus 7 and then upgraded to the N10. I have two friends at work getting them as well, one of whom returned his iPad4 after 3 days for the N10.
Although I'm a Android lover I was a huge advocate for the iPad. It was a great device done right. But not so much anymore. Google did an amazing job on this device and I can no longer recommend an iPad, only the apps are better, but to be honest in the past 6 months the play store has jumped by leaps and bounds
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Instability, Backlight bleed and battery life. Even on CM 10.1 I'm still getting random reboots everyday and 5 hours of screen on time. Compared to never rebooting and 12+ hours of screen on time. And I'd take the lower resolution over the 2560x1600 anyday if it meant zero backlight bleeding and much better performance.
Edit: Don't get me wrong, I prefer Android. I'd just rather a cohesive and smooth experience like I have with my Note 2. If the Nexus 10 had that I would be stoked on it. But it doesn't. Gets the job done for now but I was happier with the iPad so I'll likely go back unless Samsung releases a Note 10.1 with retina quality display.
Edit Edit: I'm also not saying the iPad is objectively better because you can't say that about either. I'm just saying for my use, in my experience, the iPad was smoother and much more stable. No random reboots for me on it whereas on the Nexus 10 it would lock up all the time and the battery life was wonderful. You can say, "Oh you shouldn't use your tablet more than 5 hours a day anyway" but that's also assuming you are always in a location where you can charge it.
I get Nexus 10 as:
Insane resolution, the wording was extreme clear and sharp, far better than my laptop.
Smooth performance. In market, not much Android tablet was smooth as this, for current available android tablet, I only can accept Padfone 2.
It is not iOS, sorry iOS never my prefer OS due to it restriction and boring interface.
** Reboot/hang issue was fixed 99% now in 4.2.2, so I am ok with it. Anyway Google really need more stability build on it Android OS, as no doubt it still cannot compete with stability of iOS.
My N10 just arrived a week ago...
I've been all over the place... with 2 7" tablets, 2 7.7" tablets, 2 8.9" tablets and 2 10.1" tablets in the last year.
This month, I had the Kindle Fire 8.9... which at 250 is an amazing value for a media tablet with some android compatibility. I got tired of the KF89's limitations like the accelometer, having to lock rotation, lack of compatibility, difficulty in getting a CM rom and my own decision to buy the 16gb version. I decided to get the Galaxy Note 10.1 as it was the fastest Android tablet under $400 with removable memory. I was very unhappy with it from the hour I unboxed it and decided I was done beating around the bush.
I wanted to have a no-compromise Android tablet... and today that tablet is the Nexus 10 32GB. In a few months it will be a Exnos 5 quad, or a Tegra 4 or a Qualcomm 800... but today it's the Nexus 10. And in the near (18 month) future, the N10 will stay ahead of the curve in full-size rom development. It feels good... sounds good, looks good and works well.
I would just buy the nexus 10 because of the screen size and use it to watch free/new/theater/ hd movies (I'm going to post the link to the app later in a new thread) but I dont know if the app would be compatible with the n10
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I didn't originally plan to buy it. Planned on getting the Nexus 7, but once I got to staples, it just seemed to small, Saw they had the N10 but not on display, So I took a shot in the dark since had 2 weeks to return it, but once I booted it I was hooked, I love the size, still fairly portable for me, I use it A LOT more than I expected and it does so much more then I could think of, I love taking it to work and playing Playstation games on it with ease, or SNES/NES games to just sitting back watching movies via plex/netflix. The screen is amazing even at half brightness everything looks beautiful. and of couse that darn tapped out game is just perfect for the big 10inch screen..I got the 32gb since all they had, and its way more than enough for this beast. Team it up with the Moko slim fit multiangle case. I am just VERY please with this purchase
I have currently a N4, a N7 and a TF700 which I sell for a N10.
I like them all for different tasks.
The N4 is my communication hub, my music player and the hot spot for my tablets. I use it often for small tasks like web search or navigation.
The N7 is my entertainment device for commuting because I can carry it in my jacket.
The TF700 is for reading PDFs (because some of them are not scalable so it's more comfortable on a large display) and longer browsing sessions on holiday or when I work abroad. And it works excellent for watching films.
However I'll exchange it for an N10 because of the performance. It drives me nuts that it is so much slower than my other two devices and because I would like to have a device with proper fastboot support.
I'm interested in purchasing one, but for $500 and midrange specs it really needs to deliver on the screen for me. How is it? Im not so much concerned with resolution as much as precise color calibration thats not washed out or too warm/cold.
how does it look for you guys?
s1lenz said:
I'm interested in purchasing one, but for $500 and midrange specs it really needs to deliver on the screen for me. How is it? Im not so much concerned with resolution as much as precise color calibration thats not washed out or too warm/cold.
how does it look for you guys?
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Well, this is not a midrange tablet, is a high end, don't get confused because is using the Snapdragon S4 Pro instead of the S600, there are not tablets that perform better than this one, also 2GB RAM, 1200p resolution (1920x1200), NFC, IR Port, Bluetooth 4.0, Dual Band WIFI a/b/g/n, microsd card slot upto 64GB. Check this review for more details about performance.
Also the screen is pretty good, has good viewing angles, great brightness, and pictures/videos looks awesome, the touch panel is very sensitive.
I'll see about getting some data when I get mine (should be Monday.) I don't have the fanciest calibration tools but good enough for the basics we're taking about here. I also have a calibrated desktop setup as well as a pile of other tablets and phones to compare to for subjective analysis.
This is not a midrange tablet. This is top of market right now.
I payed 700 for it. Plus another 150 on my country's customs. And it really really worth it.
When you have it on your hands, is just perfect!
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sorry guys, i don't mean to offend but when I say midrange i mean:
- the resolution is still 1200p vs 1600p on the nexus 10
- the s4 chip, as great as it is, is devoured by the exynos 5250 in benchmarks which is in the nexus 10 (http://www.androidauthority.com/exynos-5-dual-benchmarks-125134/ reference)
when you're talking purely features (waterproof, lightest 10" tablet on the market, solid build, ir port, nfc, sd card slot, sim card lot) yes, you're right its top of the line. but as far as hardware specs go, to put it in perspective the next nexus 7 will either have an s4 pro or a 600 with the same resolution and cost roughly $300 less.
why does hardware matter? aren't those just numbers we geek over? well, often times manufacturers will push higher resolution screens on soc's that just aren't up to the task for it.
Like I said, I don't mind paying for the premium as I dont care about the resolution but I'm just concerned about the color accuracy. do the colors look washed out? is it like the nexus 7 and the nexus 10 which both have ips and (i forget samsung's proprietary panel used for the n10, which is supposively better then IPS), but in the end doesnt really matter because both screens are so horribly calibrated that its wasted?
the thing I'm actually pretty stoked about with this tablet running the S4 is that franco and paranoid android were able to create a nexus 4 color calibration kernel which works miracles for that screen. Coincidentally, thats the same chip used on the Z. I'm not sure how much support this tablet will have, but if Franco takes interest, the Xperia Z's screen will look spectacular after a color tweak...
I really hope the whites on mine aren't too warm. I would hate to turn this thing on and see it with that layer of pee-yellow on top that my 1st gen iPad and Galaxy Nexus suffered from.
As you said n10 screen got its own issues. There is question if there is need for such ppi in large devices we don't tend to hold close to face. And i wonder if future devices will chase after resolution knowing the price (atm there are only 3 android 10" tablets with HD+ screens. Color wise its very nice, warmer but not oversaturated like Samsung. However to know how it does compared to others we need to wait for RGB replication test.
In terms of speed XTZ is ahead of N10 in cpu (except single thread apps) raw power. N10 does better in browser test due to google optimalisation (in chrome or 4.2 i don't know). Mali is stronger raw what off-screen tests show. However on-screen n10 extreeme resolution works against it puting it behind http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_tablet_z-review-931p5.php .
So atm its high end, it wont be when tegra4 an s800 hit market.
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sorry guys, i don't mean to offend but when I say midrange i mean:
- the resolution is still 1200p vs 1600p on the nexus 10
- the s4 chip, as great as it is, is devoured by the exynos 5250 in benchmarks which is in the nexus 10 (http://www.androidauthority.com/exynos-5-dual-benchmarks-125134/ reference)
when you're talking purely features (waterproof, lightest 10" tablet on the market, solid build, ir port, nfc, sd card slot, sim card lot) yes, you're right its top of the line. but as far as hardware specs go, to put it in perspective the next nexus 7 will either have an s4 pro or a 600 with the same resolution and cost roughly $300 less.
why does hardware matter? aren't those just numbers we geek over? well, often times manufacturers will push higher resolution screens on soc's that just aren't up to the task for it.
Like I said, I don't mind paying for the premium as I dont care about the resolution but I'm just concerned about the color accuracy. do the colors look washed out? is it like the nexus 7 and the nexus 10 which both have ips and (i forget samsung's proprietary panel used for the n10, which is supposively better then IPS), but in the end doesnt really matter because both screens are so horribly calibrated that its wasted?
the thing I'm actually pretty stoked about with this tablet running the S4 is that franco and paranoid android were able to create a nexus 4 color calibration kernel which works miracles for that screen. Coincidentally, thats the same chip used on the Z. I'm not sure how much support this tablet will have, but if Franco takes interest, the Xperia Z's screen will look spectacular after a color tweak...
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A few things:
1. The S4 chip in the XTZ is actually more powerful than the Exynos 5250 Dual in the Nexus 10. The S4 in the link you used is a dual core MSM8960. The S4 chip in the XTZ is a quad core APQ8064. Coupled with the higher res of the Nexus 10, the performance of the Nexus 10 would be behind the XTZ.
2. This is a 10" tablet. Comparing it to the much faster paced 7" tablet market wouldn't make much sense, furthermore normally people get 10" tablets for different reasons than getting 7" tablets. While this is of course debatable, it would be more accurate to compare to up-and-coming 10" tablets like the new Tegra 4 tablets, which aren't slated to be released until Q3 2013 at least.
3. Screen-wise, I can't really comment since I don't have the XTZ yet (getting one on Thursday once it is released in my country). According to the reviews I read though, the colours are nice and sharp, and the screen has quite good viewing angles due to the gapless technology used in the screen. Quoted from androidpolice (http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/05/31/sony-xperia-tablet-z-review-a-surprisingly-good-tablet/):
The front of the Xperia Tablet Z is dominated by a 10.1-inch 1920x1200 LED-backlit LCD “Bravia Reality Display.” The Bravia-branded stuff is a post-processing engine for video and images, but the difference is extremely subtle. That’s not the important aspect of this panel anyway – more relevant is how it looks. In a word: good.
If I hold the Tablet Z uncomfortably close to my face, I can definitely see the pixels, but that doesn’t matter – you’ll never use a tablet like that. At a normal viewing distance – say 18-inches – the screen looks crisp and clear. Text is extremely readable and the pixels melt into lovely, fluid images. Because this is a gapless display, the viewing angles are much better than its smartphone counterpart.
The black levels are good on this device – better than the Nexus 7, for example. Below roughly 50% brightness, the blacks stay inky, but past that it starts getting a bit gray. It’s a far cry from AMOLED blacks, but it is above average when compared to other LCD panels (at least in my estimation).
We fetishize pixel density maybe a little too much. Having a higher resolution is great, but not at the expense of performance. This screen gets the job done, and does it well. You don’t need to stress about the raw resolution numbers being lower on the Tablet Z than the Nexus 10.
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4. It is possible Sony may include the white balance setting in Settings just like the Xperia Z. Other devs may of course implement this feature as well.
I saw one on display in a shop. The screen is very impressive, best android tablet screen I've seen so far. Not seen the Nexus 10 screen, but I've read enough about it's light bleed issues.
Vertron said:
I saw one on display in a shop. The screen is very impressive, best android tablet screen I've seen so far. Not seen the Nexus 10 screen, but I've read enough about it's light bleed issues.
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I'd say the screen is quite similar to the nexus 7. Its not as good as the TF700 but its perfectly satisfactory.
pandaball said:
A few things:
1. The S4 chip in the XTZ is actually more powerful than the Exynos 5250 Dual in the Nexus 10. The S4 in the link you used is a dual core MSM8960. The S4 chip in the XTZ is a quad core APQ8064. Coupled with the higher res of the Nexus 10, the performance of the Nexus 10 would be behind the XTZ.
2. This is a 10" tablet. Comparing it to the much faster paced 7" tablet market wouldn't make much sense, furthermore normally people get 10" tablets for different reasons than getting 7" tablets. While this is of course debatable, it would be more accurate to compare to up-and-coming 10" tablets like the new Tegra 4 tablets, which aren't slated to be released until Q3 2013 at least.
3. Screen-wise, I can't really comment since I don't have the XTZ yet (getting one on Thursday once it is released in my country). According to the reviews I read though, the colours are nice and sharp, and the screen has quite good viewing angles due to the gapless technology used in the screen. Quoted from androidpolice (http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/05/31/sony-xperia-tablet-z-review-a-surprisingly-good-tablet/):
4. It is possible Sony may include the white balance setting in Settings just like the Xperia Z. Other devs may of course implement this feature as well.
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Thanks for this, you bring up some excellent points. I'm going to take a wait-and-see approach to see if Franco or Faux will take any interest in this tablet and develop a kernel for it. Unfortunately, for that to happen I think the community is going to have to pool together some cash, like they did for the Oppo Find5...
pandaball said:
A few things:
1. The S4 chip in the XTZ is actually more powerful than the Exynos 5250 Dual in the Nexus 10. The S4 in the link you used is a dual core MSM8960. The S4 chip in the XTZ is a quad core APQ8064. Coupled with the higher res of the Nexus 10, the performance of the Nexus 10 would be behind the XTZ.
2. This is a 10" tablet. Comparing it to the much faster paced 7" tablet market wouldn't make much sense, furthermore normally people get 10" tablets for different reasons than getting 7" tablets. While this is of course debatable, it would be more accurate to compare to up-and-coming 10" tablets like the new Tegra 4 tablets, which aren't slated to be released until Q3 2013 at least.
3. Screen-wise, I can't really comment since I don't have the XTZ yet (getting one on Thursday once it is released in my country). According to the reviews I read though, the colours are nice and sharp, and the screen has quite good viewing angles due to the gapless technology used in the screen. Quoted from androidpolice (http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/05/31/sony-xperia-tablet-z-review-a-surprisingly-good-tablet/):
4. It is possible Sony may include the white balance setting in Settings just like the Xperia Z. Other devs may of course implement this feature as well.
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1. I had believed in benchmarks before I used the N10 (and some chance with N7 also), Antutu and especially Quadrant are garbage. However, I still believe in the traditional benchmarks like Geekbench, Sunspider or BrowserMark (I don't use chrome, intead Ocean Browser and Dolphin which is not Google optimization and the browser benchmarks are superior). My friend bought the Tablet Z and it is somehow laggier than N10 and N7. I know we can blame the UI for it, but even it lauching apps, N7 and N10 are blazing fast.
In the real world performance, N10 (throttling fixed) > Tablet Z
3. Yes it's nice and sharp indeed, much better than XZ smartphone. The viewing angle is very good but still slightly worse than iPad 4 or N10. Texts are crisp, not as sharp as iPad 4 and N10 when comparing besides but it's satisfying when used stand alone.
Some extra opinions:
- In my country, 16GB 3G Tablet Z costs about $950 (with some stuff like external speakers and headphones which equivalent to ~$150), while 16GB N10 (shipped from other countries) costs $460
- The audio from speaker on Xperia Z is bad for a tablet, considering Youtube, movies are used frequently on tablets. The two front facing stereo speakers of N10 are not as good and Note 10.1 but still very inspiring.
- The lightweight is extremely lovable on Tablet Z. I felt a little bit hard when coming black to my not very heavy N10.
The screen is great. I was a little bit worried about it not being as high ppi as iPad/etc. I ordered it without seeing it.
I am completely happy with the screen. Colors, viewing angles are all very good. I even turned off the mobile Bravia engine.
If you are worried about the ppi/color anything, don't be. Screen is great.
hung2900 said:
1. I had believed in benchmarks before I used the N10 (and some chance with N7 also), Antutu and especially Quadrant are garbage. However, I still believe in the traditional benchmarks like Geekbench, Sunspider or BrowserMark (I don't use chrome, intead Ocean Browser and Dolphin which is not Google optimization and the browser benchmarks are superior). My friend bought the Tablet Z and it is somehow laggier than N10 and N7. I know we can blame the UI for it, but even it lauching apps, N7 and N10 are blazing fast.
In the real world performance, N10 (throttling fixed) > Tablet Z
3. Yes it's nice and sharp indeed, much better than XZ smartphone. The viewing angle is very good but still slightly worse than iPad 4 or N10. Texts are crisp, not as sharp as iPad 4 and N10 when comparing besides but it's satisfying when used stand alone.
Some extra opinions:
- In my country, 16GB 3G Tablet Z costs about $950 (with some stuff like external speakers and headphones which equivalent to ~$150), while 16GB N10 (shipped from other countries) costs $460
- The audio from speaker on Xperia Z is bad for a tablet, considering Youtube, movies are used frequently on tablets. The two front facing stereo speakers of N10 are not as good and Note 10.1 but still very inspiring.
- The lightweight is extremely lovable on Tablet Z. I felt a little bit hard when coming black to my not very heavy N10.
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For me, I don't really look at benchmarks. They're after all synthetic. Even browser benchmarks are affected far more by the Javascript engine behind it than the hardware. Chrome runs terribly in Sunspider and the like, while the stock browser with the Nexus 10 runs very fast, benchmark-wise. However I would much rather use Chrome than the stock browser app any day because of its usability
As for UI, I'm going to take the Tablet Z for a spin before I get it, see how fluid (or not) it is. I'm most probably getting it unless there are showstopper bugs - Nexus 10 is not available in my country, and the Exynos 5 Dual is simply not powerful enough to power the screen imo.
I'll post a review of it if (once) I get it. Going to touch on some of the concerns I see here I'll probably draw some comparisons to the other tablets I've used as well (Asus TF201, Nexus 7, Xperia Tablet S). Granted, they're previous gen but they provide a point of comparison
ABT4 said:
The screen is great. I was a little bit worried about it not being as high ppi as iPad/etc. I ordered it without seeing it.
I am completely happy with the screen. Colors, viewing angles are all very good. I even turned off the mobile Bravia engine.
If you are worried about the ppi/color anything, don't be. Screen is great.
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I did the same thing and I'm a little worried. June 6th release, this comment is making me more at ease though.
pandaball said:
For me, I don't really look at benchmarks. They're after all synthetic. Even browser benchmarks are affected far more by the Javascript engine behind it than the hardware. Chrome runs terribly in Sunspider and the like, while the stock browser with the Nexus 10 runs very fast, benchmark-wise. However I would much rather use Chrome than the stock browser app any day because of its usability
As for UI, I'm going to take the Tablet Z for a spin before I get it, see how fluid (or not) it is. I'm most probably getting it unless there are showstopper bugs - Nexus 10 is not available in my country, and the Exynos 5 Dual is simply not powerful enough to power the screen imo.
I'll post a review of it if (once) I get it. Going to touch on some of the concerns I see here I'll probably draw some comparisons to the other tablets I've used as well (Asus TF201, Nexus 7, Xperia Tablet S). Granted, they're previous gen but they provide a point of comparison
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I'm in the same boat. Nexus 10 16GB costs more than the latest 16GB iPad. After being blown away by everything about the tablet and how much better it is, imo, than the Nexus 10, it was a no brainer since it's the same price as the 16GB iPad. Plus I picked up a 64GB SD card and the total cost is still lower than a 32GB iPad... and I get a 80GB tablet instead. Can not wait for this to arrive.
s1lenz said:
Thanks for this, you bring up some excellent points. I'm going to take a wait-and-see approach to see if Franco or Faux will take any interest in this tablet and develop a kernel for it. Unfortunately, for that to happen I think the community is going to have to pool together some cash, like they did for the Oppo Find5...
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I'm hoping the same. Franco's gamma and color tool did wonders for what I felt was a very washed out screen on the n4.
I think the screen on the xtz is pretty good but a little too warm. I'd pay good money for a screen calibration tool.
Zb134 said:
I'd pay good money for a screen calibration tool.
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This, so much.
violet grays
I've seen 3 Tablet Z in a shop in Moscow, and the screen was the only issue which stopped me from buying one. The whites where slightly yellowish which I could get used to, but the grays were of purple tint!
I even made a side-by-side screen comparison between Sony Experia Tablet Z, Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 and iPad 4. I opened the same web page on every device and compared the colors as well as the text quality.
Samsung has a cooler white point, which means the whites were slightly bluish, the grays were also a little bit cool but ok. The text quality has been foreseeably lower than on other devices since Note 10.1 has lower resolution.
iPad is the best in terms of readability and color accuracy - white is quite neutral, gray is gray. The text is rendered very clean.
Sony Experia Tablet Z's white was noticeably more of yellow tint and the shades of gray were all slightly violet. In general, it looked like washed-out old picture. The text was crisp but I'd say has been not so comfortable for my eyes as on the iPad.
Moreover, one of 3 Sonys had more of violet hue than the other two! The salesperson whom I showed this difference told me it was a preproduction item just for demonstration, and the other two were for sale. Which also shows that the tablet really has this issue.
That was a big disappointment for me which prevented me from byuying the Tablet Z. I wish I know if there is a way to calibrate the tablet's screen.
the screen is stunning anyone who says other wise is being very petty. colours great sharp and very vibrant
ash6783 said:
the screen is stunning anyone who says other wise is being very petty. colours great sharp and very vibrant
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Colours are great, sharp and very vibrant indeed.
But still there are problems I described above.