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I am a ROM flashing addict, and also looking into getting into ROM dev eventually. I'd go for a Nexus device, if it were not for the fact that each Nexus device(released Nov or so) is only 3-4 months away from being obsolete thanks to the next gen of phones released from February next year.
Of all the manufacturers, who are most dev-friendly? In terms of providing sources etc. (I remember CM9 dev stalled due to unavailability of kernel sources for several weeks). I know you can't predict which model will be most popular among devs, but any general pointers would help.
I read somewhere that TI releases sources for most parts, which is why Google went with an OMAP chip and not Exynos for the Galaxy Nexus. Anything else along similar lines I should look for?
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I am a ROM flashing addict, and also looking into getting into ROM dev eventually. I'd go for a Nexus device, if it were not for the fact that each Nexus device(released Nov or so) is only 3-4 months away from being obsolete thanks to the next gen of phones released from February next year.
Of all the manufacturers, who are most dev-friendly? In terms of providing sources etc. (I remember CM9 dev stalled due to unavailability of kernel sources for several weeks). I know you can't predict which model will be most popular among devs, but any general pointers would help.
I read somewhere that TI releases sources for most parts, which is why Google went with an OMAP chip and not Exynos for the Galaxy Nexus. Anything else along similar lines I should look for?
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Htc is now very dev friendly. So mainly the one X, or wait for the samsung galaxy s3. That's about what I see.
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I am a ROM flashing addict, and also looking into getting into ROM dev eventually. I'd go for a Nexus device, if it were not for the fact that each Nexus device(released Nov or so) is only 3-4 months away from being obsolete thanks to the next gen of phones released from February next year.
Of all the manufacturers, who are most dev-friendly? In terms of providing sources etc. (I remember CM9 dev stalled due to unavailability of kernel sources for several weeks). I know you can't predict which model will be most popular among devs, but any general pointers would help.
I read somewhere that TI releases sources for most parts, which is why Google went with an OMAP chip and not Exynos for the Galaxy Nexus. Anything else along similar lines I should look for?
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HTC and Samsung.
Hi! This is my first post on XDA.
As a user of CM for more than a year ago on my i9300, and after enduring a lot of bugs, I wonder: What happens to CM?
It's a known fact that the Exynos platform is a headache for developers because there is no documentation or open sources from Samsung. So, things like the camera, the sound system, the HDMI output and the GPU do not work as they should.
However, here are many good developers who have fixed these bugs, or at least improve them a bit. And most of these fixes are open source and accessible by everyone on Github.
So, what is waiting CM to implement them? Giving credit to their authors, obviously.
CyanogenMod announces itself as an alternative to the stock firmware that lets you take full advantage of your smartphone, making it better and more stable. Now they are also a company: Cyanogen Inc. As a reputable brand, it should offer a higher quality firmware. ROMs like Nameless (I'm using it right now) works better even being "not official".
This is just an opinion as a user. I'm not criticizing or forcing anyone to do anything. But if there are hundreds of people using a ROM with bugs that were fixed, why not implement them? I would be the first to help, but my skills are just about webdev.
Respect and thanks for i9300 developers on XDA, and sorry about my bad English. When I use my native language I express myself MUCH better. Trust me. lol
Thanks for reading.
There's no i9300 maintainer, and they accept pull requests (on gerrit) when somebody sends them.
Also, the fact that there's no i9300 maintainer is directly connected with what you already said - lack of proper documentation. Nobody wants to fix the mess that has been created since whole this time. The amount of hacks required to make AOSP work on i9300 is too damn high. I'm slowly fixing this mess, making i9300 a bit better supported, but it's still a long way until it's done. Take a look at ArchiKernel for example, why I had to create my own kernel? Because smdk4412 sources were so much outdated that they finished around update7, right after sudden death fix. XXELLA, 4.1.2 Android times, hello. So first thing was to cleanup the kernel mess, use up-to-date samsung sources (used for stocks) and make them work with AOSP. Now, if I commit my work to CM, they'll deny this instantly because new kernel supports only i9300 and this commit would break all other exynos4 variants from compiling. Yes, together we COULD fix it, make it work with other devices. But I have better things to do than trying to fix whole exynos4 family, I focus on i9300.
This is one of the reasons why we won't see any official cm12 nightly for i9300. Because nobody is going to maintain that. Even if we can fix something, nobody is going to commit that, unless we put serious effort for making it universal across all supported devices.
That's a real shame the device is in such a mess.
Actually, to be fair, using Omnirom 4.4.4, I'm finding that the only thing that doesn't work properly is the notification led (no one seems to know why it only works 3 times out of 4).
I'll probably end up buying a new phone next year, anyway, since buy this time next year the i9300 will be almost 4 years old. In smartphone terms, that means it's getting along a bit.
(oh, and thanks for all your work on it, JustArchi!)
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There's no i9300 maintainer, and they accept pull requests (on gerrit) when somebody sends them.
Also, the fact that there's no i9300 maintainer is directly connected with what you already said - lack of proper documentation. Nobody wants to fix the mess that has been created since whole this time. The amount of hacks required to make AOSP work on i9300 is too damn high. I'm slowly fixing this mess, making i9300 a bit better supported, but it's still a long way until it's done. Take a look at ArchiKernel for example, why I had to create my own kernel? Because smdk4412 sources were so much outdated that they finished around update7, right after sudden death fix. XXELLA, 4.1.2 Android times, hello. So first thing was to cleanup the kernel mess, use up-to-date samsung sources (used for stocks) and make them work with AOSP. Now, if I commit my work to CM, they'll deny this instantly because new kernel supports only i9300 and this commit would break all other exynos4 variants from compiling. Yes, together we COULD fix it, make it work with other devices. But I have better things to do than trying to fix whole exynos4 family, I focus on i9300.
This is one of the reasons why we won't see any official cm12 nightly for i9300. Because nobody is going to maintain that. Even if we can fix something, nobody is going to commit that, unless we put serious effort for making it universal across all supported devices.
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Thanks for answering my topic. The opinion of a developer like you is very appreciated.
This situation only seems to give more reasons for not buy a Samsung phone again. This lack of support from the manufacturer is a disrespect to the user's investment. And fragmentation strikes again. Sad but true.
Thanks again for your great work of keeping this device alive for all of us.
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That's a real shame the device is in such a mess.
Actually, to be fair, using Omnirom 4.4.4, I'm finding that the only thing that doesn't work properly is the notification led (no one seems to know why it only works 3 times out of 4).
I'll probably end up buying a new phone next year, anyway, since buy this time next year the i9300 will be almost 4 years old. In smartphone terms, that means it's getting along a bit.
(oh, and thanks for all your work on it, JustArchi!)
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I tried OmniROM few months ago, but it had some annoying bugs (like camera crashes) and I missed some customizations of CyanogenMod. Anyway, I'll try it again. My next buy might be a Motorola phone. The AOSP support is priceless.
ouch01 said:
I tried OmniROM few months ago, but it had some annoying bugs (like camera crashes) and I missed some customizations of CyanogenMod. Anyway, I'll try it again. My next buy might be a Motorola phone. The AOSP support is priceless.
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I had the camera crash on CM11 M11, and switched over to Omnirom shortly after that. I'm using Google Camera with an Omnirom nightly from November, and I've never had a camera crash.
Agree with you about getting a Motorola. I'd love it if the next Moto G refresh (if there is one) came with some more RAM, increased storage (16GB instead of 8), 4G, and a multicolour led. Being able to customize the colours to suit the category of app is something I love about custom ROMs. That should be baked into Android, to be honest (but at least there's LightFlow).
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There's no i9300 maintainer, and they accept pull requests (on gerrit) when somebody sends them.
Also, the fact that there's no i9300 maintainer is directly connected with what you already said - lack of proper documentation. Nobody wants to fix the mess that has been created since whole this time. The amount of hacks required to make AOSP work on i9300 is too damn high. I'm slowly fixing this mess, making i9300 a bit better supported, but it's still a long way until it's done. Take a look at ArchiKernel for example, why I had to create my own kernel? Because smdk4412 sources were so much outdated that they finished around update7, right after sudden death fix. XXELLA, 4.1.2 Android times, hello. So first thing was to cleanup the kernel mess, use up-to-date samsung sources (used for stocks) and make them work with AOSP. Now, if I commit my work to CM, they'll deny this instantly because new kernel supports only i9300 and this commit would break all other exynos4 variants from compiling. Yes, together we COULD fix it, make it work with other devices. But I have better things to do than trying to fix whole exynos4 family, I focus on i9300.
This is one of the reasons why we won't see any official cm12 nightly for i9300. Because nobody is going to maintain that. Even if we can fix something, nobody is going to commit that, unless we put serious effort for making it universal across all supported devices.
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i feel you
SlimRoms is the answer
unlike CM, Slim has a I9300 maintainer, has support, every weekly update works properly.
Devs should really take a look at Slim's Gerrit and Freenode/#SlimDev
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I had the camera crash on CM11 M11, and switched over to Omnirom shortly after that. I'm using Google Camera with an Omnirom nightly from November, and I've never had a camera crash.
Agree with you about getting a Motorola. I'd love it if the next Moto G refresh (if there is one) came with some more RAM, increased storage (16GB instead of 8), 4G, and a multicolour led. Being able to customize the colours to suit the category of app is something I love about custom ROMs. That should be baked into Android, to be honest (but at least there's LightFlow).
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The thing with Motorola is that their stock roms are basically just stock android. No laggy touchwiz skins, just a google launcher. Bloatware is at a minimum. A low spec phone like the moto G still is great because of how vanilla its experience is.
Rumours have it that the galaxy S6 international variant will have an exynos processor. I found a thread comparing the leaked info of the snapdragon 810 vs the next exynos processor and it seems that the exynos is getting a lot of popularity from users on the thread and it ain't no slouch. As it is now, phone's are so fast, that it's very hard to find a way of improving them. Like who compares app opening times nowadays? That will be much the case for 2015's flagships as well. I doubt I'd be disappointed if I had the next Samsung release if I thought I'd be in for a laggy UI, it's just whether I can tolerate the touchwiz experience or if I wanna switch to a vanilla aosp rom. That's where the problem arises.
arashvenus said:
SlimRoms is the answer
unlike CM, Slim has a I9300 maintainer, has support, every weekly update works properly.
Devs should really take a look at Slim's Gerrit and Freenode/#SlimDev
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But only in your imagination. There is noone at slimrom. Just check their gerrit.
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Rumours have it that the galaxy S6 international variant will have an exynos processor .... I found a thread comparing the leaked info of the snapdragon 810 vs the next exynos processor and it seems that the exynos is getting a lot of popularity from users on the thread and it ain't no slouch.
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Aren't the Exynos processors the cause of much grief in the open source community, though? Aren't Qualcomm processors, such as the Snapdragon, much more popular because they're easier to work with..?
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Aren't the Exynos processors the cause of much grief in the open source community, though? Aren't Qualcomm processors, such as the Snapdragon, much more popular because they're easier to work with..?
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Correct.
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Correct.
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Well then, no more Samsung phones for me, then. Not unless they use Qualcomm..!
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Aren't the Exynos processors the cause of much grief in the open source community, though? Aren't Qualcomm processors, such as the Snapdragon, much more popular because they're easier to work with..?
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Yes, that's what i thought but people are showing interests due to how powerful the processor is. I think they're saying it's more powerful than the snapdragon 810. I'm not that techy but they were mentioning that the new exynos will be smaller in size or something, whilst the snapdragon will be bigger. Apparently smaller is better, but yes the problem is open sourcing. If you want to install a stock android custom rom, it will be difficult for developers to build a rom that can push your phone to it's full potential. Snapdragon doesn't have this problem.
Basically if you love flashing different roms that are fully functional a snapdragon 810 phone is for you. If you like what Samsung offers in it's next flagship and won't be tempted to flash other roms then the exynos is for you
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Yes, that's what i thought but people are showing interests due to how powerful the processor is. I think they're saying it's more powerful than the snapdragon 810. I'm not that techy but they were mentioning that the new exynos will be smaller in size or something, whilst the snapdragon will be bigger. Apparently smaller is better, but yes the problem is open sourcing. If you want to install a stock android custom rom, it will be difficult for developers to build a rom that can push your phone to it's full potential. Snapdragon doesn't have this problem.
Basically if you love flashing different roms that are fully functional a snapdragon 810 phone is for you. If you like what Samsung offers in it's next flagship and won't be tempted to flash other roms then the exynos is for you
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I prefer to have less powerful processor, with full documentation how it works, rather than exynos and big giant hackish black box, which noone understands.
The problem is not with the exynos, but with Samsung. Judging from Exynos4, their kernel sources and own experience, exynos may look like it works, but amount of hacks and dirty workarounds to make it work, is too damn high. This could all be solved if Samsung changed their policy from "respect GPL, f*ck the rest" to "respect developers, show them that our SoC can be developer-friendly, too".
The problem is that we're not even 0.01% of Samsung sales, so why should they care. I'm not going to buy Samsung phone again, regardless if it has Snapdragon inside or not. The problem is not with the Exynos, the problem is in Samsung's policy.
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I prefer to have less powerful processor, with full documentation how it works, rather than exynos and big giant hackish black box, which noone understands.
The problem is not with the exynos, but with Samsung. Judging from Exynos4, their kernel sources and own experience, exynos may look like it works, but amount of hacks and dirty workarounds to make it work, is too damn high. This could all be solved if Samsung changed their policy from "respect GPL, f*ck the rest" to "respect developers, show them that our SoC can be developer-friendly, too".
The problem is that we're not even 0.01% of Samsung sales, so why should they care. I'm not going to buy Samsung phone again, regardless if it has Snapdragon inside or not. The problem is not with the Exynos, the problem is in Samsung's policy.
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Yeah +1 for that. My next Phone will be definitly a Sony or a One plus. I think both are the developer friendliest in android ...
what for get android with huge ram but still lag? i won't go for android for sure. just stick with ios better. with android 8gb & asop, cm etc still can't fix the bugs. android received update so slow than ios.
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what for get android with huge ram but still lag? i won't go for android for sure. just stick with ios better. with android 8gb & asop, cm etc still can't fix the bugs. android received update so slow than ios.
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Yeah you are right but i think the most decent phone is the htc one......i would buy a windows phone rather than an iPhone
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/2qn8s4/new_impressive_lollipop_touchwiz_gives_nexus_line/
This is an interesting article on the new touchwiz that appears in android lollipop on the galaxy note 3. Surprisingly I can see nothing but praise from this person, apparently it seems to be running very well in comparison to touchwiz on KitKat. Is Samsung finally doing something good?
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http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/2qn8s4/new_impressive_lollipop_touchwiz_gives_nexus_line/
This is an interesting article on the new touchwiz that appears in android lollipop on the galaxy note 3. Surprisingly I can see nothing but praise from this person, apparently it seems to be running very well in comparison to touchwiz on KitKat. Is Samsung finally doing something good?
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its useless even if they port it to our i9300..1gb of ram..maybe its time to upgrade to more stronger phone..
Oneplus x is a really nice phone , i especially like its form factor which is why i brought one just today , but i read a thread where oneplus did not release MM kernel sources and this phone's production stopped. Now i am thinking about giving it back as it would be nearly impossible for future development.
What would anyone who is a present owner suggest in such a situation ? I am only getting this phone because of its 5 inch form factor and good development team.
P.s i know onyx got some top class dev's and Nougat is already on its way, i do not doubt their potential but just this phones future development progress.
Thank you.
We don't need OnePlus for further development. We are perfectly capable of keeping it up to spec. You'll be fine. Enjoy your new toy
It's a phone. You aren't buying it for its future development, you buying it for its features and the fact that they satisfy you. Don't fall in such buyer loop.
Sent from my ONE E1001
sniper20 said:
It's a phone. You aren't buying it for its future development, you buying it for its features and the fact that they satisfy you. Don't fall in such buyer loop.
Sent from my ONE E1001
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I am a person who is easily bored out using the same rom , i like aosp but i tend to move between different roms (once a week) just because of that . The fact that this phone has CM13 , MIUI (WIP) , SAILFISH OS excited me the most. This is the only reason i look for a phone with good dev community in it which partially require OEM & Chipset supplier support to release drivers.
Of course the phone excites me but I've looped through so many phones that the phone hardware alone does not excite me anymore.
Thank you for the advise tho.
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We don't need OnePlus for further development. We are perfectly capable of keeping it up to spec. You'll be fine. Enjoy your new toy
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thank you for the reply , but might i ask why . I always thought OEM's have to release the kernel sources or the phone will have less chance to be supported by next android version because dev's have to depend on hacks to get things working which is never ideal.
tufli said:
thank you for the reply , but might i ask why . I always thought OEM's have to release the kernel sources or the phone will have less chance to be supported by next android version because dev's have to depend on hacks to get things working which is never ideal.
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No. Theoretically the only thing we need kernel wise is the DTS and a few drivers. We can pull the source for the 801 from Qualcomm themselves. We don't need an OEM outside of that
I'm really interested in getting this phone, I have skipped the Note 8 until I see what this phone brings, and from what I saw at the presentation I looks like an AWESOME phone, but when I look at past Huawei flagships (mate 9, P9, etc) almost non-existing major updates, custom roms support and mods I start thinking if paying a premium price for a phone like this its really worth for a person like me who likes to play around with rooting, modding and installing custom roms in my devices or should I play safe and get a Samsung or Pixel device.
No. Do not buy Huawei if modding is important.
Non existent with previous mate 9 and barely with mate 8.
Across the board, it's not getting easier
intruda119 said:
No. Do not buy Huawei if modding is important.
Non existent with previous mate 9 and barely with mate 8.
Across the board, it's not getting easier
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I appreciate your answer, there are great devices but not for us.
yael20 said:
I'm really interested in getting this phone, I have skipped the Note 8 until I see what this phone brings, and from what I saw at the presentation I looks like an AWESOME phone, but when I look at past Huawei flagships (mate 9, P9, etc) almost non-existing major updates, custom roms support and mods I start thinking if paying a premium price for a phone like this its really worth for a person like me who likes to play around with rooting, modding and installing custom roms in my devices or should I play safe and get a Samsung or Pixel device.
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To be honest you are better off not getting any flagship if you like modding. The pixel is a pain to dev for to the point that many devs are not getting the new pixel or even supporting it. Samsung well we all know that dev support for that is a joke.
zelendel said:
To be honest you are better off not getting any flagship if you like modding. The pixel is a pain to dev for to the point that many devs are not getting the new pixel or even supporting it. Samsung well we all know that dev support for that is a joke.
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Thanks for your answer, so that being the case, which phone(s) would you recommend me?
yael20 said:
Thanks for your answer, so that being the case, which phone(s) would you recommend me?
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If modding is your thing then I would look at something like one plus. Things to avoid are devices with dual partition setup. The pixel showed how much devs dont want to deal with that.
Things to look out for are things like kernel source being up to date which I hate to say knocks 90% of the China based OEM out of it. Maybe the Euro version of samsung devices might be OK but even they get little to no real devs support. I would look around the site. See what devices have real support. No I am not talking about tons of los based roms. That is not development. I mean real development with system mods and hardware tweaks.
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If modding is your thing then I would look at something like one plus.
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Unfortunately OnePlus sucks at many things that are important for many of us so I guess we don't have a choice.
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Unfortunately OnePlus sucks at many things that are important for many of us so I guess we don't have a choice.
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Things like what? The one bonus is that with one plus it can be fixed for the most part as to where even the kernel code on huawei devices is useless.
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Things like what? The one bonus is that with one plus it can be fixed for the most part as to where even the kernel code on huawei devices is useless.
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Can we start with the MicroSD ?
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Can we start with the MicroSD ?
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This I agree with but many of the OEM are opting out of sdcards ever since google removed all the code fore native sdcard support from android years ago. But to be hones 64gb is more then enough for a mobile device. Mix that with some common sense (backing up stuff. No I dont mean cloud backup lol)
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Unfortunately OnePlus sucks at many things that are important for many of us so I guess we don't have a choice.
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I think the one plus is a good device with great specs, but I don't like it's design... May be due it's Iphoneish look lol
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To be honest you are better off not getting any flagship if you like modding. The pixel is a pain to dev for to the point that many devs are not getting the new pixel or even supporting it. Samsung well we all know that dev support for that is a joke.
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Why not? You can get systemless root (Exynos) or TWRP installed classic root (Snapdragon) for Note8.
Sure Knox and/or SafetyNet gets tripped, but that's the price to pay for rooting.
But you can root current flagship phones and there's plenty of modding community for Note8.
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Why not? You can get systemless root (Exynos) or TWRP installed classic root (Snapdragon) for Note8.
Sure Knox and/or SafetyNet gets tripped, but that's the price to pay for rooting.
But you can root current flagship phones and there's plenty of modding community for Note8.
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Samsung based roms are not development. Samsung devices have sucked for development for years. This is why main stream developers don't get that device.
Ok, thanks for the info. I haven't followed the scene. Just installed a good LO fork on my Note3 and it is working wonders (sans NFC and GPS/camera performance is generic).
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To be honest you are better off not getting any flagship if you like modding. The pixel is a pain to dev for to the point that many devs are not getting the new pixel or even supporting it. Samsung well we all know that dev support for that is a joke.
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That being said , what are 3 phones that you can say "this is a good phone, and I can do all lot of things with it("? is the nexus 6p one of them? thanks for your help.
yael20 said:
That being said , what are 3 phones that you can say "this is a good phone, and I can do all lot of things with it("? is the nexus 6p one of them? thanks for your help.
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Yes. The 6p (minus the battery issues) is good for rom development. It will get support from 3rd parties for at least another 2 years.
I would say the one plus 3 or 3t
The nexus 6p
Any one of the Sony devices as they have a good development setup.
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I'm really interested in getting this phone, I have skipped the Note 8 until I see what this phone brings, and from what I saw at the presentation I looks like an AWESOME phone, but when I look at past Huawei flagships (mate 9, P9, etc) almost non-existing major updates, custom roms support and mods I start thinking if paying a premium price for a phone like this its really worth for a person like me who likes to play around with rooting, modding and installing custom roms in my devices or should I play safe and get a Samsung or Pixel device.
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@auras76 (confirmed via private message that he will be supporting Mate 10 and continue his awesome rom that he has for Mate 9 ->[ROM] RomAur-v2.2-[16/10]-[UB][7.0_Fw.b197]-FAST-STABLE :good:
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I think the one plus is a good device with great specs, but I don't like it's design... May be due it's Iphoneish look lol
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Problem with OP (I switched from OP5 to IP7+ just recently because I kept hearing rumors that OP5T/OP6 might come out and I was afraid the value might drop to a point where re-sale value is no longer profitable..IP7+ is awesome in many ways, but my initial goal was getting LG V30 but now it seems Mate 10 is much wiser choice because of its awesome screen to body ratio + 16:9 aspect ratio which currently IMO is way better than 18:9/18:9.5 considering full app support, including youtube and so on) is that it does not have its own identity - its basically an iphone clone design wise and with it you look like a wannabe iphone user . Its awesome in performance but that identity thing sucks + they recent actions where they discontinue a model even before 6 month span is just plain ridiculous (OP3 to OP3T and then OP3T to OP5 all done within 1 year)..
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Yes. The 6p (minus the battery issues) is good for rom development. It will get support from 3rd parties for at least another 2 years.
I would say the one plus 3 or 3t
The nexus 6p
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Sony is bad in development because their stupid DRM system.
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Sony is bad in development because their stupid DRM system.
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Tell that to the fact that they offer how to build aosp for their devices, have worked with developers on it as well as pretty much made the theme engine that susbstratum works off of.
Will there be loses. Sure but that is the difference between aosp and using code made for the device. You don't always get all the features of the device with aosp. But that is not the point of using aosp. It's to learn.
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Tell that to the fact that they offer how to build aosp for their devices, have worked with developers on it as well as pretty much made the theme engine that susbstratum works off of.
Will there be loses. Sure but that is the difference between aosp and using code made for the device. You don't always get all the features of the device with aosp. But that is not the point of using aosp. It's to learn.
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Yes, but with sony aosp you get 13% quality of camera comparing it to stock, so they are stupid.
Is there anything that predicts developers will take more interest in the Galaxy S23 range, so we can finally have a custom ROM scene for Galaxy?
Maybe because the S23 (all devices: S23, S23 Ultra, S23 Plus) ditch Exynos in favour of a Qualcomm SM8550-AC, an S23-exclusive version of the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2
Did we need a change of wind to make things turn out differently for this device versus earlier Galaxy S ranges? I really hope it's time for renewal, as if im not wrong, the last one that had a nice ROM scene & development going on was the Galaxy S5+ which is so many years ago..
I am talking about a sizable custom ROM scene (all recent devices were dealt a bad hand, or completely lacked it) and the least that would make me very happy: the entry of LineageOS, something that's not been there for years, surely for reasons.
Due to having been away from Galaxy as a result of the lack of ROM scenes in prior devices, I am out of the loop regarding Samsung Galaxy platforms for development support, can anyone state what the main things holding it back have been in recent years? Things being locked down too much, like with other major brands? For what the main blockers are, is there reason to believe that the S23, or the move from Exynos to Qualcomm chips on the other hand, will make a difference? Because as far i know, Qualcomm is the proficient & preferred platform for most devs.
Well as much as Samsung makes everything depend on Knox not being tripped, I doubt it.
I noticed that something may be ongoing when it comes to custom ROM (LineageOS, chipset) work for Galaxy S23+, see: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/lineageos-progress.4582781/
Development there can benefit S23 Ultra vice versa, as it's similar and also sm8550-ac, who knows if that person succeeds they'll move on to S23 Ultra afterwards. I know it's speculation, but in my book these are hopeful signs.
Rom scene has been dull on this side due to Samsung Crippling devices when rooted (Knox being permanently tripped - hence killing resale value) and Dev's losing interest in Samung. We have 2 roms and 2 devs actively supporting the development here which is nothing like the Galaxy S5 or Note 4 Days.
Aside to the above, The stock devices are so good, that there's nothing more you can achieve by rooting which can outweigh the cons of rooting.
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... We have 2 roms and 2 devs actively supporting the development here...
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There exist at least 2 other very good and stable Roms with lots of mods for the Ultra.
ATN Rom and VN Rom.
just noticed this thread about gsis on the s23 range : https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/how-to-gsi-on-s23-ultra.4564249/#post-88279455 (seems to be interesting)
(also noticed a discussion on installing other gsis on the xiaomi 13 : https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/xiaomi-13-gsi.4572035 )
seems to be interesting to me ... maybe I ll buy an S23 to try (I saw a used one that was not too expensive) but maybe I am not avanced enough to succeed
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seems to be interesting to me ... maybe I ll buy an S23 to try (I saw a used one that was not too expensive) but maybe I am not avanced enough to succeed
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Nice, i was mainly interested in LineageOS/for development to get going on something like the latest Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 (sm8550) chipsets, if only we can get a flagship from today in the best possible software package which is where i won't settle for anything less than LineageOS. Not in any case, no matter how good the stock ROM is - it's about freedom, control, privacy & security - where in LOS everything is opensource and auditable (as opposed to OEM.. you don't know what may be running and how secure it is). Not to speak of even faster security patch levels than from any vendor. I also believe you won't feel the true power of your high end hardware until you're running an OS that's practically as clean as AOSP, such as LOS. It's like people dont know any better, and that raw performance (flagships..) offsets your perception anyways.
Since this topic, i've set my gaze on a new device with the same chipset (sm8550) as the Galaxy S23 range - the Motorola Edge 40 Pro, a flagship.. even if chaptsand (as per https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/lineageos-progress.4582781/) can pull it off for Galaxy, i found a way to kickstart the effort for Moto Edge 40 Pro as well, by sponsoring it and bringing a few devs together. If you're interested in that effort, read some comments before and after this one: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...-motorola-edge-30-dubai.4536169/post-88509185, and it still has to be moved into its own topic. But if that gets accomplished and for Galaxy it doesn't turn out well, at least ill have something to recommend to anyone that wants LineageOS on a latest tech flagship. For those that think like me, and won't ever settle for less.
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Since this topic, i've set my gaze on a new device with the same chipset (sm8550) as the Galaxy S23 range - the Motorola Edge 40 Pro, a flagship.. even if chaptsand (as per https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/lineageos-progress.4582781/) can pull it off for Galaxy, i found a way to kickstart the effort for Moto Edge 40 Pro as well, by sponsoring it and bringing a few devs together. If you're interested in that effort, read some comments before and after this one: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...-motorola-edge-30-dubai.4536169/post-88509185, and it still has to be moved into its own topic. But if that gets accomplished and for Galaxy it doesn't turn out well, at least ill have something to recommend to anyone that wants LineageOS on a latest tech flagship. For those that think like me, and won't ever settle for less.
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thanks ! very interesting and generous from you !!
but I must say I am more interested in a hardware with a "flater" screen than the Edge 40 Pro.
an inconvenience with the S23 is that you are losing OTA with stock rom if you root it ( https://www.xda-developers.com/how-to-unlock-bootloader-root-magisk-samsung-galaxy-s23/ )
so, unless there is some AOSP rom with updates for the S23, it seems safer to me to go for the Xiaomi 13 (after I had a look at this guide : https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...bootloader-root-flash-twrp-flash-rom.4538433/ ) ... or maybe I ll go for the Poco F5 pro 12/256 as it should start with an early bird price of 499E tomorrow, although it s an SD 8+ gen 1 instead of an SD 8 gen 2 (oh it will be 479E with the 20E coupon on https://ams.event.mi.com/fr/poco-f5-series-product-launch ) ...
good luck !