Help with root - Xperia Z2 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hello guys i am new here.. Can i root my phone without using pc?

Not on latest update

Envious_Data said:
Not on latest update
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thats sad

Akhayev said:
thats sad
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Is your bootloader unlocked?
Do you have a recovery installed?

Envious_Data said:
Is your bootloader unlocked?
Do you have a recovery installed?
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Yeah.. I bought my phone before few days.. I heard that you can root with locked bootloader

Yes you can but with the current firmware you have to downgrade

Envious_Data said:
Yes you can but with the current firmware you have to downgrade
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Can i update after root? Or the root will go?

Root will go after update

Envious_Data said:
Root will go after update
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Depends how you update. Just don't update with ota or pc companion.
1 Downgrade to 4.4.2
2 Root phone
3 Install recovery for locked bootloader
4 Flash rooted 4.4.4 zip in recovery
5 latest firmware and root remains

I am new to Sony devices (been a Samsung guy for years). I have had my Z2 less than a fortnight but already I'm itching to root it etc, problem is it seems a lot more complicated than Samsung devices. I was always switching between roms on my S4/note 2. I am on the latest firmware and would like to root it to be able to use xposed but I'm scared of messing it up and as the phone is under warranty don't want to end up with a paper weight.
Has anyone done a detailed tutorial for newbies like myself?
Thanks in advance
Scotty.

tuktukscotty said:
I am new to Sony devices (been a Samsung guy for years). I have had my Z2 less than a fortnight but already I'm itching to root it etc, problem is it seems a lot more complicated than Samsung devices. I was always switching between roms on my S4/note 2. I am on the latest firmware and would like to root it to be able to use xposed but I'm scared of messing it up and as the phone is under warranty don't want to end up with a paper weight.
Has anyone done a detailed tutorial for newbies like myself?
Thanks in advance
Scotty.
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tuktukscotty said:
Has anyone done a detailed tutorial for newbies like myself?
Thanks in advance
Scotty.
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It's not really that hard and there are also of resources online that can guide you.
1 Downgrade to 4.4.2 is required as noone had found a vulnerability with 4.4.4.
2 Root phone
For step 1 and 2, Have a look at this http://www.xda-developers.com/android/how-to-root-the-sony-xperia-z2-xda-developer-tv/
3 install recovery for lock bootloader
Have a look here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2785598
4 install a 4.4.4 zip through recovery. I recommend this one as its basically stock http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/development/stock-4-4-4-23-0-1-0-167-bug-free-t2929402

tuktukscotty said:
I am new to Sony devices (been a Samsung guy for years). I have had my Z2 less than a fortnight but already I'm itching to root it etc, problem is it seems a lot more complicated than Samsung devices. I was always switching between roms on my S4/note 2. I am on the latest firmware and would like to root it to be able to use xposed but I'm scared of messing it up and as the phone is under warranty don't want to end up with a paper weight.
Has anyone done a detailed tutorial for newbies like myself?
Thanks in advance
Scotty.
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It depends on how you want to root, you can root and permanently void your warrentg or you can root and keep your bootloader locked

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[Q] about how ppl root their xperia devices

hi all
new from samsung to sony.
just curious, is it the only way you guys used to root or re-root xperia devices after updates with vroot, tools from DooMLoRD etc? i mean except those mentioned, nobody use other alternatives to root xperia devices (in general, not z tablet only)?
and thus if these tools are not compatible with new firmwares then u r not able to root your device in case the previous root was removed?
ykkfive said:
hi all
new from samsung to sony.
just curious, is it the only way you guys used to root or re-root xperia devices after updates with vroot, tools from DooMLoRD etc? i mean except those mentioned, nobody use other alternatives to root xperia devices (in general, not z tablet only)?
and thus if these tools are not compatible with new firmwares then u r not able to root your device in case the previous root was removed?
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You can open the bootloader and then you will always be able to root (flash custom recovery, root, flash stock kernel).
My Gnexi said:
You can open the bootloader and then you will always be able to root (flash custom recovery, root, flash stock kernel).
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thanks for your reply
yeah, i kown that. but what i found is, everyone is sticked to flashtool and thats why i asked
and unfortunately, mine is bl unlock=no, just learnt this after i took it home and so unable to flash own kernels
oh yes, one more thing . couldnt managed to run adb in the recovery mode since windows cant find the drivers and i have tried many drivers already. any idea?
ykkfive said:
thanks for your reply
yeah, i kown that. but what i found is, everyone is sticked to flashtool and thats why i asked
and unfortunately, mine is bl unlock=no, just learnt this after i took it home and so unable to flash own kernels
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Then I guess you can only root with the exploits and need to be careful about upgrades.
Is it possible to downgrade with Flashtool on locked BL? I think it is (but it's confusing). If it is then you need to keep FTF of the current version in case you upgrade to a new version that can not be rooted.
My Gnexi said:
Then I guess you can only root with the exploits and need to be careful about upgrades.
Is it possible to downgrade with Flashtool on locked BL? I think it is (but it's confusing). If it is then you need to keep FTF of the current version in case you upgrade to a new version that can not be rooted.
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for rooting, i am fine. just have to get rid of the bl and adb issue in recovery first

I'm surprised

I'm surprised this device attracts so few developers. Most devices have several custom roms and kernels to choose between.
I love the device. I had some tough weeks to get use to the size but now I can't imagine having another phone.
It's perfect. I can play with it for hours.
I will send it to some of the core devs in my team when I'm done with it so we'll get official SlimRoms on it.
Can u root KitKat? I am on 4.3 and waiting for someone root 4.4. And I love this phone, too.
quachhanthanh said:
Can u root KitKat? I am on 4.3 and waiting for someone root 4.4. And I love this phone, too.
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Odd thread choice for this post.
The answer is to read, read some more, then think about what questions you still have and search for them and read those results.
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Carbon is all u need lol
sent from xperia z ultra
After owning this phone for almost a month as my daily driver, I can see why this phone might not be so popular.
Sony does not seem to do as much advertising as Samsung (at least that I can see), and for quite a while this phone was just too expensive. Add to that the fact that this phone for most people is just north of being too big (I came to it after owning the Galaxy note so I am ok with the size), and if you own one of these, you want to use it a lot and even with the stamina mode turned on battery life can be a little short if you turn it on to play with it every 5 min or so.... lol.
On the other hand my S4 build quality feels worse and worse after owning this beautiful thing.
One final thing I can think of is that the stock ROM (at lease 4.3 which I am still using) is not very bloated and really quite nice. I don't feel the need to try to load a AOSP rom as much. Every time I pick-up a touchwiz device I just want to throw up a little.
quachhanthanh said:
Can u root KitKat? I am on 4.3 and waiting for someone root 4.4. And I love this phone, too.
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KitKat has already been rooted for quite some time! I am using 4.4.2 KitKat and am rooted.
Refer to Jackie's root guide. You will have to download the 4.4.2 FTF rom as well as Jackie's custom kernal in order to root.
Have you unlocked your Xperia Z Ultra bootloader? In order to root you must have your bootloader unlocked. It is very quick and easy to unlock.
Here is the link with instructions on how to root KitKat.
Special thanks goes to Jackie for making this possible so fast.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFSeSe8gQOY
kanej2006 said:
KitKat has already been rooted for quite some time! I am using 4.4.2 KitKat and am rooted.
Refer to Jackie's root guide. You will have to download the 4.4.2 FTF rom as well as Jackie's custom kernal in order to root.
Have you unlocked your Xperia Z Ultra bootloader? In order to root you must have your bootloader unlocked. It is very quick and easy to unlock.
Here is the link with instructions on how to root KitKat.
Special thanks goes to Jackie for making this possible so fast.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFSeSe8gQOY
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Before telling some one to unlock their bootloader to gain root PLEASE explain to then the consequences of that action:
If you unlock the bootloader before backinf up the TA partition you will lose your DRM keys and warranty. You will also lose the ablity to use some apps that rely on those DRK keys.
If you want to keep these (or have the ability to restore them) you have to downgrade to 4.2 (build ending with .532) and use an exploit to gain root
blueether said:
Before telling some one to unlock their bootloader to gain root PLEASE explain to then the consequences of that action:
If you unlock the bootloader before backinf up the TA partition you will lose your DRM keys and warranty. You will also lose the ablity to use some apps that rely on those DRK keys.
If you want to keep these (or have the ability to restore them) you have to downgrade to 4.2 (build ending with .532) and use an exploit to gain root
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I haven't unlocked bootloader my ZU yet. And I have backup my TA already. But I dont want to UB my ZU because I want to use my TrackID app. So maybe i should wait until someone can root ZU with non-UB one.
Anyway, thanks two of u.
blueether said:
Before telling some one to unlock their bootloader to gain root PLEASE explain to then the consequences of that action:
If you unlock the bootloader before backinf up the TA partition you will lose your DRM keys and warranty. You will also lose the ablity to use some apps that rely on those DRK keys.
If you want to keep these (or have the ability to restore them) you have to downgrade to 4.2 (build ending with .532) and use an exploit to gain root
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Your right. I forgot to mention that unlocking the bootloader voids the warranty. Good thing you mentioned it.
quachhanthanh said:
I haven't unlocked bootloader my ZU yet. And I have backup my TA already. But I dont want to UB my ZU because I want to use my TrackID app. So maybe i should wait until someone can root ZU with non-UB one.
Anyway, thanks two of u.
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You can still get root with a locked bootloader, just read some... hint look for threads by [nut], monx and otheres
blueether said:
You can still get root with a locked bootloader, just read some... hint look for threads by [nut], monx and otheres
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Thanks for ur hint, man. After read some thread, I think I can use this way to root my ZU with KitKat: I am on. 136 rooted and LB, I will download KitKat zip of fnf and install it through dual recovery of [nut]. Am I right? Looking forward to your reply.
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quachhanthanh said:
Thanks for ur hint, man. After read some thread, I think I can use this way to root my ZU with KitKat: I am on. 136 rooted and LB, I will download KitKat zip of fnf and install it through dual recovery of [nut]. Am I right? Looking forward to your reply.
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Look for [NUT]'s 290 thread, it has detailed instructions I think, you will still have to downgrade to .532 to gain root first.

Xperia Z2 Android 4.4.4 (23.0.1.A.0.167) ROOT AND RECOVERY

Is there any root available? Does the old method works? Also does it work on locked bootloaders?
tazoman said:
Is there any root available? Does the old method works? Also does it work on locked bootloaders?
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I recently rooted my locked z2 with this file. And for recovery i used http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2785598
Dont forget to hit the thanks button
Surajn97 said:
I recently rooted my locked z2 with this file. And for recovery i used http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2785598
Dont forget to hit the thanks button
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anyone try ????
Surajn97 said:
I recently rooted my locked z2 with this file. And for recovery i used http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2785598
Dont forget to hit the thanks button
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R U talking about latest fw?
tazoman said:
Is there any root available? Does the old method works? Also does it work on locked bootloaders?
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Not at this moment no, but it appears that a pre-rooted zip isn't far off.
ghostofcain said:
Not at this moment no, but it appears that a pre-rooted zip isn't far off.
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not too far off
http://scr.hu/2tqx/5nj0a
Envious_Data said:
not too far off
http://scr.hu/2tqx/5nj0a
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Could you provide a link to the the zip (or thread if any) to check it out? I would love to have a bit of hands on experience with the newest fw.
P.S: Havent tried it, I cant live without root .
Thanks
DaGhostman said:
Could you provide a link to the the zip (or thread if any) to check it out? I would love to have a bit of hands on experience with the newest fw.
P.S: Havent tried it, I cant live without root .
Thanks
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for now ill post another screenshot as it isnt uploaded
http://scr.hu/2tqx/oo4fw
you will find a thread in the development section when its done uploading
there are some small problems which i wont be able to fix just becaue of lack of time, ill be leaving it upto Niaboc if he wants to fix it
Thanks for the fast reply! Can't wait to get on it.
This rooting method doesn't work on latest 4.4.4 for Z2
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Is it the latest 4.4.4 for Z2? And is it pre rooted? Which means can I flash this on my locked Z2?
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tazoman said:
This rooting method doesn't work on latest 4.4.4 for Z2
Sent from my D6503
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Please, let me know when it will be possible to ROOT 23.0.1.A.0.167 Stock fw with locked bootloader. I will be very grateful.
Pishtiko said:
Please, let me know when it will be possible to ROOT 23.0.1.A.0.167 Stock fw with locked bootloader. I will be very grateful.
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You will likely be waiting some time, because it's possible to downgrade and flash pre-rooted zip or to OTA certain FW's maintaining root, I don't see devs putting a lot of effort into finding an exploit. That said best hope is probably an exploit being found for Z3 which is transferable to Z2, but as I say you may be waiting some time.
So what you recommend to do if i want to have root on 167?
Tusnal said:
So what you recommend to do if i want to have root on 167?
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Try to create a rooted update package from the update ftf: [4.4.4] Create ROOTED update package from stock FTF [LOCKED BOOTLOADER]
So I need to flash dual recovery to do that
How can I make a full stock backup just in case I need to use it for warranty?
Tusnal said:
So I need to flash dual recovery to do that
How can I make a full stock backup just in case I need to use it for warranty?
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You don't need, you can flash back an original ftf anytime or repair with Sony PC Companion. We are talking locked bootloadr, so until you don't unlock it, you have warranty.
But if you already have root on prev. firmware, you should install DualRecovery and boot into TWRP and you can backup your system there.
norti said:
You don't need, you can flash back an original ftf anytime or repair with Sony PC Companion. We are talking locked bootloadr, so until you don't unlock it, you have warranty.
But if you already have root on prev. firmware, you should install DualRecovery and boot into TWRP and you can backup your system there.
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I just bought the phone and I really miss root hehe so if I don't unlock the bootloader I can change recovery and flash a stock root rom without losing warranty?
Tusnal said:
I just bought the phone and I really miss root hehe so if I don't unlock the bootloader I can change recovery and flash a stock root rom without losing warranty?
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Yes, if you have older firmware on the phone, you can try the root options available and you can use recovery without unlocking th bootloader. If you have the latest, than you can possibly flash an older firmware to your phone and root that. But you need to read a bit, to understand everything correctly.
I have successfully rooted my Z2 on 4.4.4 locked bootloader
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[SOLVED] Root Access 4.4.4

Hey guys im back after smashing my beloved xperia z (which i had mastered the ins and outs of) and reluctantly replacing it with a HTC ONE m7 which was the most terrible phone i have ever used in my life.... i have plonked a good bit of cash on a z2 and I AM LOVING IT
I had updated to the latest version of KK but i am hearing mixed reports that a root is not available for this version.
If anyone could point me in the right direction that would be fabulous.
Thank you in advance
Chris
xeningti said:
If anyone could point me in the right direction that would be fabulous.
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Have a look here
If any, PM me.
Bjørn
bjorn96 said:
Have a look here
If any, PM me.
Bjørn
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1.1 You need obviously an already rooted phone with [NUT]'s Dual Recovery with a previous firmware version (4.4.2)
Just seen tht and gave up lol
xeningti said:
1.1 You need obviously an already rooted phone with [NUT]'s Dual Recovery with a previous firmware version (4.4.2)
Just seen tht and gave up lol
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Downgrade.
ahhh crafty.... so could i flash a previous FTF with flashtool.... create a pre rooted version of 4.4.4 the flash that?
is that kind of what i need to do?
xeningti said:
ahhh crafty.... so could i flash a previous FTF with flashtool.... create a pre rooted version of 4.4.4 the flash that?
is that kind of what i need to do?
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Yeap, that it.
Note 1: Download the 4.4.4 ftf from Xperifirm
Note 2: 4.4.3 you have to download from the link.
Note 3: BACKUP TA when root!!!
good luck! im trying to but its seems im screwed and i have .167 firmware
the towlroot meathod just hangs,,,
bjorn96 said:
Yeap, that it.
Note 3: BACKUP TA when root!!!
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what so you mean?
whats ta
djnos said:
good luck! im trying to but its seems im screwed and i have .167 firmware
the towlroot meathod just hangs,,,
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finally got it
on 4.4.4 rooted and with recovery
will dont know what ta is thou
how did you do it i am still pondering this hole new method.... wheres doomlord when you need him!!!
xeningti said:
how did you do it i am still pondering this hole new method.... wheres doomlord when you need him!!!
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Hello
I see you are totally green on this.
Well, im kinda green too, but I have had a lot of help from @xda and now I can manage to do some stuff with my telephone.
The first thing you have to do is BACKUP!!! This is always important.
Well, then lets get to it.
The XPERIA Z2 has a locked bootloader. This means that it cannot flash any roms, custom or other without being unlocked. When you unlock the bootloader, you delete all files on the phone, (don’t ask me how, it just does) and also deletes a partition called TA. The TA-partition contains DRM-keys, to explain that, @Envious_Data might help.
Anyway, when you have root, you can backup the TA, BEFORE you flash any custom ROM, or the ROM with ROOT. That way you will always be able to go back to scratch. Without ROOT on 4.4.4 you need to downgrade to 4.4.3, ROOT and backup the TA-partition before you even start thinking about unlocking bootloader.
(search the XDA, Google (use XDA in the end for XDA results) XDA-TV and you will find tons and tons of stuff. Once you understand some, it will come fast to you.)
I have gathered some threads here for you to read, and I hope this will work for you too.
Start off by reading this
When done, notify me.
All the best
Bjørn
bjorn96 said:
Hello
I see you are totally green on this.
Well, im kinda green too, but I have had a lot of help from @xda and now I can manage to do some stuff with my telephone.
The first thing you have to do is BACKUP!!! This is always important.
Well, then lets get to it.
The XPERIA Z2 has a locked bootloader. This means that it cannot flash any roms, custom or other without being unlocked. When you unlock the bootloader, you delete all files on the phone, (don’t ask me how, it just does) and also deletes a partition called TA. The TA-partition contains DRM-keys, to explain that, @Envious_Data might help.
Anyway, when you have root, you can backup the TA, BEFORE you flash any custom ROM, or the ROM with ROOT. That way you will always be able to go back to scratch. Without ROOT on 4.4.4 you need to downgrade to 4.4.3, ROOT and backup the TA-partition before you even start thinking about unlocking bootloader.
(search the XDA, Google (use XDA in the end for XDA results) XDA-TV and you will find tons and tons of stuff. Once you understand some, it will come fast to you.)
I have gathered some threads here for you to read, and I hope this will work for you too.
Start off by reading this
When done, notify me.
All the best
Bjørn
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ok i have dowgraded to 4.4.2 i tried towelroot which worked but SUPER SU could not load binaries. So i flashed stock 4.4.2 again and i am now trying to root using doomlords community rootkit and its not working....
xeningti said:
ok i have dowgraded to 4.4.2 i tried towelroot which worked but SUPER SU could not load binaries. So i flashed stock 4.4.2 again and i am now trying to root using doomlords community rootkit and its not working....
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Have had some problems with SuperSU too, but try backup ta.
If not work, try restore phone with PCC.
Then downgrade and try again.
bjorn96 said:
Have had some problems with SuperSU too, but try backup ta.
If not work, try restore phone with PCC.
Then downgrade and try again.
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i have flashed a stock rom many times and still getting the errors, i have no idea what a TA is... also im on locked bootloader if that helps at all.
sorry for being a noob
xeningti said:
i have flashed a stock rom many times and still getting the errors, i have no idea what a TA is... also im on locked bootloader if that helps at all.
sorry for being a noob
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see attachment
xeningti said:
i have flashed a stock rom many times and still getting the errors, i have no idea what a TA is... also im on locked bootloader if that helps at all.
sorry for being a noob
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To root the Z2 and get dual recovery on 4.4.2 follow these steps
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/help/how-to-root-firmware-314-t2821619
Then you need to follow the instructions in this thread, it's much easier than what it seems
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/general/4-4-4-creating-rooted-update-package-t2933155
Also, no need to backup TA unless you wanna unlock your bootloader
Jiyeon90 said:
To root the Z2 and get dual recovery on 4.4.2 follow these steps
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/help/how-to-root-firmware-314-t2821619
Then you need to follow the instructions in this thread, it's much easier than what it seems
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/general/4-4-4-creating-rooted-update-package-t2933155
Also, no need to backup TA unless you wanna unlock your bootloader
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Backup of TA was just a mention. Also its smart to have it, cuz you might forget it.
Anyway, @xeningti the towelroot should work on 4.4.3, did you try to download the towelroot app from towelroot.com???
Jiyeon90 said:
To root the Z2 and get dual recovery on 4.4.2 follow these steps
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/help/how-to-root-firmware-314-t2821619
Then you need to follow the instructions in this thread, it's much easier than what it seems
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/general/4-4-4-creating-rooted-update-package-t2933155
Also, no need to backup TA unless you wanna unlock your bootloader
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i am 3.2.3
bjorn96 said:
Backup of TA was just a mention. Also its smart to have it, cuz you might forget it.
Anyway, @xeningti the towelroot should work on 4.4.3, did you try to download the towelroot app from towelroot.com???
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yeah i used the towerl root and it said it had worked although when i installed supersu it said it could not update or find binary
xeningti said:
yeah i used the towerl root and it said it had worked although when i installed supersu it said it could not update or find binary
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Did your phone come with 4.4.4??
Try root with towel on 4.4.3
Send some shots of it.

Upgrading Huawei mate 10 lite to android 8.0

Hello everyone.I wanted to update my new Mate 10 lite to android 8.0 with the custo installation method that requires unlocking bootloader that i found on internet,but i realized that using it will break my warranty and i dont want that.Will it be available throught normal System update later on,or is this the only way? Thank you.
i have the same quastion. but the update will come soon i am waiting for it because its a very big one face unlock...
I'm sure it's coming through OTA in a few weeks, don't risk your warranty on it, I'd rather wait and avoid any hassles with the bootloader and rooting.
mariohorvat said:
Hello everyone.I wanted to update my new Mate 10 lite to android 8.0 with the custo installation method that requires unlocking bootloader that i found on internet,but i realized that using it will break my warranty and i dont want that.Will it be available throught normal System update later on,or is this the only way? Thank you.
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What type of custom installation method? Can you please explain? I'm interested.
GedeonTaylor said:
What type of custom installation method? Can you please explain? I'm interested.
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romprovider.com/2017/11/huawei-mate-10-lite-support/
index1366 said:
I'm sure it's coming through OTA in a few weeks, don't risk your warranty on it, I'd rather wait and avoid any hassles with the bootloader and rooting.
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Thank you,i thought so too.
mariohorvat said:
romprovider.com/2017/11/huawei-mate-10-lite-support/
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Thank you, very interesting

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