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just wondering how well S4 Zoom in the market? S4 Zoom owner pls sign in tell us more what you feel after got ur Zoom.
the development doesn't seem expending bad product? or any other reasons?
since the samsung pixon12 i was waiting for a phone like this.
its not a popular phone and i like it stay that way.
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since the samsung pixon12 i was waiting for a phone like this.
its not a popular phone and i like it stay that way.
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I agree with you it is not as popular as other smartphones. I think this is heavily due to its size and the probably the lumia 1020. But so far i am using the s4 zoom for 2 weeks i have not yet encountered any problems. I have use its camera in day and night and the picture quality really makes me dont care about its size. Bought straps to pull it out easily from my pocket and a cover that protect the screen so that i could the phone upside down without the scare of scratching my phone. Many of my friends were like "what is that is a phone?" when the phone rings. A few of my friends said the would buy it but majority of them did not like the big size of the phone. I am quite impressed with its battery life. For my normal usage with my data plan turn on it could easily last one and a half day. However if i snap a lot of pictures using the xenon flash it could only last for one full day which i am still more then happy with it. In terms of gaming apps i haven't yet put it to the test yet. So far for apps not even a single app has crash and the phone has never went on a software crash. Fought with my friends iphone 5 siri and was quite happy with results. I am starting to love this unique phone.
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I agree with you it is not as popular as other smartphones. I think this is heavily due to its size and the probably the lumia 1020. But so far i am using the s4 zoom for 2 weeks i have not yet encountered any problems. I have use its camera in day and night and the picture quality really makes me dont care about its size. Bought straps to pull it out easily from my pocket and a cover that protect the screen so that i could the phone upside down without the scare of scratching my phone. Many of my friends were like "what is that is a phone?" when the phone rings. A few of my friends said the would buy it but majority of them did not like the big size of the phone. I am quite impressed with its battery life. For my normal usage with my data plan turn on it could easily last one and a half day. However if i snap a lot of pictures using the xenon flash it could only last for one full day which i am still more then happy with it. In terms of gaming apps i haven't yet put it to the test yet. So far for apps not even a single app has crash and the phone has never went on a software crash. Fought with my friends iphone 5 siri and was quite happy with results. I am starting to love this unique phone.
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I don't mind to have a multi purpose device even through it's size is bigger It always my dream to have a camera + smart phone together. :victory:
but shame of samsung, it doesn't launch LTE at my region
I agree with you. Most of the cellphone are pretty much the same, big screen, better cpu's etc... i want my device to be more than that. To be a multi function device.
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opdrago said:
I agree with you. Most of the cellphone are pretty much the same, big screen, better cpu's etc... i want my device to be more than that. To be a multi function device.
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Yeah
I love my new s4 zoom too.:laugh:
I was previously using note2 which function well but without optical zoom
the s4 zoom 24-240mm equivalent lens and the relatively bigger sensor make it a perfect handy backup camera for daily use.:good:
as a father of 2 children, I can hardly always carry my sony NEX mirrorless system around
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just wondering how well S4 Zoom in the market? S4 Zoom owner pls sign in tell us more what you feel after got ur Zoom.
the development doesn't seem expending bad product? or any other reasons?
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Seems this phone not popular cuz of the design, its a CAMERA with phone function . But i bought one to replace my trusted camera phone PV808 (symbian :crying. this camera + android function really a good choice for casual photographers
totally love it ! yeah, our phone/camera -multidevice its something more then casual trend, but why not, we are geeks My "problem" was, that i won it in one competetion, & i was not really decided if i want it, keep it or sell it... but ive decided to keep it, start using it & from that time its really hard for me to leave him for a sec im totally amazed, photos are perfect (for me as a casual photographer), performance is great, ive tested all the new games (asphalt8 too) and they works without any problem.... i love my SGS4 ZOOM !
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I love my new s4 zoom too.:laugh:
I was previously using note2 which function well but without optical zoom
the s4 zoom 24-240mm equivalent lens and the relatively bigger sensor make it a perfect handy backup camera for daily use.:good:
as a father of 2 children, I can hardly always carry my sony NEX mirrorless system around
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Haha Someone with a similar thought process as me. Im a NEX owner (not a father though, does a dog count?). Im due for an upgrade in the next few months and have been umming and arring about this one. I tend to carry a point and shoot with me everywhere. My thoughts were that this, although much bigger than my blackberry that I currently use, would be a smaller alternative to the combination I carry with me on a day to day basis.
I also have a Nikon v1, but thats a discussion for a different forum.
Hello,
I still think about getting Z2, despite of huge hardware issues like overheating. I have few questions to be asked:
1. I found in camcorder (video mode) there is no possible to use "touch to focus" feature. You cannot select what point is to be focused. Right?
2. How much do I need to undervolt CPU and GPU to avoid overheating during 4K filming or just in very hot sunny day?
3. If I install custom ROM, will camera remain as usable as in stock ROM? Example in Samsung often custom ROMs couldn't have the same camera as stock ROM because stock ROM camera used system parts not accessible for custom ROMs - ie. Samsung's deep level files.
So in custom ROMs camera was crap.
4. Is there still plenty of defect batches of phones? We all know Sony manufactured plenty of crap phones and rare of them is without malfunction - bad bezels, jinky camera ect.
^^
Wow! If I believed in massive hardware issues and build quality so poor it's rare to find one without malfunction, I'd put my money elsewhere.
Well I'm on my third Z2... But, as far as custom rims go it's just like Sammy. Stock based roms are near perfect and AOSP based roms will have their share of problems. Honestly though, a stock Sony rom that is rooted is excellent. The slow motion camera capability is my favorite. Far better 120fps capability than the iphone5s and Find7.
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Wow! If I believed in massive hardware issues and build quality so poor it's rare to find one without malfunction, I'd put my money elsewhere.
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There are some week productions which are "better" than others but it is hard to check in shop what week was phone manufactured. Generally newer batches are better than earlier.
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Well I'm on my third Z2... But, as far as custom rims go it's just like Sammy. Stock based roms are near perfect and AOSP based roms will have their share of problems. Honestly though, a stock Sony rom that is rooted is excellent. The slow motion camera capability is my favorite. Far better 120fps capability than the iphone5s and Find7.
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So in AOSP ROM I will not be able to use stock camera app because its files are not open source like in Samsung?
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There are some week productions which are "better" than others but it is hard to check in shop what week was phone manufactured.
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I understood there was a tag by the SD slot. Open box, check tag, return phone, hardly rocket science.
Super happy
Maybe I'm just lucky but my Z2 is perfect. I've switched to CyanogenMod, as the camera now works there as well (came from a S3 running CM11
Burgscheinkerkdeiktraast said:
Hello,
I still think about getting Z2, despite of huge hardware issues like overheating. I have few questions to be asked:
1. I found in camcorder (video mode) there is no possible to use "touch to focus" feature. You cannot select what point is to be focused. Right?
2. How much do I need to undervolt CPU and GPU to avoid overheating during 4K filming or just in very hot sunny day?
3. If I install custom ROM, will camera remain as usable as in stock ROM? Example in Samsung often custom ROMs couldn't have the same camera as stock ROM because stock ROM camera used system parts not accessible for custom ROMs - ie. Samsung's deep level files.
So in custom ROMs camera was crap.
4. Is there still plenty of defect batches of phones? We all know Sony manufactured plenty of crap phones and rare of them is without malfunction - bad bezels, jinky camera ect.
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1. Touch To Focus works like a charm on Z2!!!
And my Z2 is just perfect.
Buy!
I agree. I have no problems with my device either. Remember, Sony sold millions of these units. All manufacturing has some degree of lemons. I have to believe in this case it is under 5%. I say buy as well.
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I got batch 14w17 for which ppl say has lots of issues
as for my unit, I'd say its perfect, has none of issues, recorded around 8 mins of 4k with steady shot on 30 C, mixed direct sunlight and shadow,
i think it only has a slight gap on a top, but a paper can barely fit in
Burgscheinkerkdeiktraast said:
Hello,
I still think about getting Z2, despite of huge hardware issues like overheating. I have few questions to be asked:
1. I found in camcorder (video mode) there is no possible to use "touch to focus" feature. You cannot select what point is to be focused. Right?
2. How much do I need to undervolt CPU and GPU to avoid overheating during 4K filming or just in very hot sunny day?
3. If I install custom ROM, will camera remain as usable as in stock ROM? Example in Samsung often custom ROMs couldn't have the same camera as stock ROM because stock ROM camera used system parts not accessible for custom ROMs - ie. Samsung's deep level files.
So in custom ROMs camera was crap.
4. Is there still plenty of defect batches of phones? We all know Sony manufactured plenty of crap phones and rare of them is without malfunction - bad bezels, jinky camera ect.
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"Huge hardware issues". The only issues I have is this forum with this constant harping on about "batches". This mobile is manufactured on an ongoing production line. There are NO BATCHES. It is not produced like bread where one hour the baker bakes one sort of bread then stops to bake a different sort, this is batches.
The Z2 is in constant manufacture, that tab on the phone is the week and year it was made, it signifies nothing except the date of manufacture.
Sony are well respected for their quality control and this mobile is no different. In every days production a lemon or two will be produced as in ALL THINGS WE BUY.
THE problem with the Z2 is the nonsense written here about batches and "Huge hardware issues" that are only in the uneducated minds of a tiny minority who write utter rubbish on this forum. The Z2 is as good as any other flag ship mobile presently available. If you don't believe this go look at the threads on any other flag ship phone on this very forum.
"Huge hardware issues" indeed. Some of you would believe in Santa clause if some idiot wrote about him here.
Ryland
Well atleast 1 straight thinking guy, but dont even try, i did, and all you get in return is getting attacked and insulted lol. 1 man started this batch nonsense and now it wont stop no matter what, and it seems like for example slightly off centered camera(where does it even say it has to be centered???) is considered as serious defect by some, or even hardware issue. This is hilarious and pathetic at the same time.
Ryland Johnson said:
"Huge hardware issues". The only issues I have is this forum with this constant harping on about "batches". This mobile is manufactured on an ongoing production line. There are NO BATCHES. It is not produced like bread where one hour the baker bakes one sort of bread then stops to bake a different sort, this is batches.
The Z2 is in constant manufacture, that tab on the phone is the week and year it was made, it signifies nothing except the date of manufacture.
Sony are well respected for their quality control and this mobile is no different. In every days production a lemon or two will be produced as in ALL THINGS WE BUY.
THE problem with the Z2 is the nonsense written here about batches and "Huge hardware issues" that are only in the uneducated minds of a tiny minority who write utter rubbish on this forum. The Z2 is as good as any other flag ship mobile presently available. If you don't believe this go look at the threads on any other flag ship phone on this very forum.
"Huge hardware issues" indeed. Some of you would believe in Santa clause if some idiot wrote about him here.
Ryland
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Are you sure? Who said there cannot be defected phones with off-centered cameras as example?
Of course they are in constant production - but that doesn't exclude possibility to get phone with some defects.
They can manufacture 1000 phones till Quality Control finds example off-centered camera. They correct problem and next phones are fine, but those 1000 go to shops as they still work properly, but have visual issues. People who don't know about such issues like this will not return phone and generate costs for Sony, so they can count on people's poor knownledge.
Don't believe in Quality Control, only a fool believes in this. They check one phone per few dozen thousands and that's all.
Burgscheinkerkdeiktraast said:
Are you sure? Who said there cannot be defected phones with off-centered cameras as example?
Of course they are in constant production - but that doesn't exclude possibility to get phone with some defects.
They can manufacture 1000 phones till Quality Control finds example off-centered camera. They correct problem and next phones are fine, but those 1000 go to shops as they still work properly, but have visual issues. People who don't know about such issues like this will not return phone and generate costs for Sony, so they can count on people's poor knownledge.
Don't believe in Quality Control, only a fool believes in this. They check one phone per few dozen thousands and that's all.
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The days of using micrometres to gauge acceptable tolerances have long gone. Such measurements are now made by laser beam. SOME will escape all human efforts to exclude a lemon reaching the shops but that is why a two year guarantee is given!
No were have I written a lemon will not be found but the % these days with modern QA is tiny in comparison to days gone bye. Of course some poor soul will buy a mobile that has issues. Point is it has NOTHING to do with non existent batches and all to do with being given a guarantee by Sony.
If you are going to base what you buy on what you read on the WWW I suggest you don't buy any mobile at all and use public phones if they are working and not vandalised.
Ryland
Burgscheinkerkdeiktraast said:
Hello,
I still think about getting Z2, despite of huge hardware issues like overheating. I have few questions to be asked:
1. I found in camcorder (video mode) there is no possible to use "touch to focus" feature. You cannot select what point is to be focused. Right?
2. How much do I need to undervolt CPU and GPU to avoid overheating during 4K filming or just in very hot sunny day?
3. If I install custom ROM, will camera remain as usable as in stock ROM? Example in Samsung often custom ROMs couldn't have the same camera as stock ROM because stock ROM camera used system parts not accessible for custom ROMs - ie. Samsung's deep level files.
So in custom ROMs camera was crap.
4. Is there still plenty of defect batches of phones? We all know Sony manufactured plenty of crap phones and rare of them is without malfunction - bad bezels, jinky camera ect.
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1. from what i've seen there is no touch to focus with video in xperia. Whether that is good or bad is debatable. if subjects around you are in the same focal range then you can pan around and things are in focus, this implies subject is stationary. If it isn't then it will be out of focus and here the z2 focuses fast enough provided it can get a bearing on the subject. That is to say subject fills up more of the screen than not. In some cases it can be a pain but in others it can be more practical. This is highly dependendent on the video you are making.
2. try not to get too carried away with 4k. This is a new feature and current hardware struggles to keep up. samsung limits recording to 5 minutes, g3 reduces bitrate to 30Mbits (s5 records in 48Mbiits and Z2 at 55 Mbits) and still imposes a 5 minute limit. Z2 does not impose any limit. What is more important is whether Z2 can do 1080p without issues and i've not heard any one complain about this.
As for general heating wait for the next firmware to drop and see whether people confirm it makes a difference or not.
3. custom roms means camera functions are limited. This applies with any model except nexus whose camera is public source.
4. faults are reduced with later batches is the most that can be said here. If its a pretty phone then earlier batches will have more issues. if you are in a position to exchange the phone when you notice defect then there is no problem ,but if you are importing from another country this will be difficult.
I have the same dilemma as you but for entirely different reasons. I'm deciding between the k zoom & z2
A mid range with all mid range entails, bulkier phone coupled with a camera with optical zoom vs a flagship that in most respects is well rounded and contender for flagship of the year whose only rival will be the z3.
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I got batch 14w17 for which ppl say has lots of issues
as for my unit, I'd say its perfect, has none of issues, recorded around 8 mins of 4k with steady shot on 30 C, mixed direct sunlight and shadow,
i think it only has a slight gap on a top, but a paper can barely fit in
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EXACTLY! Same situation here. Many people saying Batch 14w17 has many issues. Mine is PERFECT. I had the bad call quality issue at the other end, but mine seems to be fixed now..
I had the Z2 and I'm glad I got rid of it so fast. It was my first Sony phone and may be my last one. I didn't like how it felt in hand and yes, the phone has some serious over heating issues. When I had received the phone, I put my Sim card in and installed my apps like I do with every other phone. The phone got so hot by just installing the apps that it threw me off. I'm back to an M8 and I'm very Happy. But to each his own. Some may not experience what I have and love their Z2 but I'm definitely not one of them.
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I say don't risk your money like I've just did on my new Xperia Z1c which turned out to be a disappointment. I read about the flash bleed issues before buying but I just thought it was exaggerated and that some people were just trolling. But when I experienced it myself it turned out to be a major issue. At least now I feel kindda glad I didn't get the Z2 which I also had in mind...I guess if I had bought it I would've had the overheating issues with normal photo shooting.
Anyway I guess it's also depends on the country you're in. I now believe Sony and maybe even other manufacturers ship defective products to third world countries like mine. So if you're living in say germany or the UK then I guess there would be no problems buying the phone.
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I say don't risk your money like I've just did on my new Xperia Z1c which turned out to be a disappointment. I read about the flash bleed issues before buying but I just thought it was exaggerated and that some people were just trolling. But when I experienced it myself it turned out to be a major issue. At least now I feel kindda glad I didn't get the Z2 which I also had in mind...I guess if I had bought it I would've had the overheating issues with normal photo shooting.
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Ask for a replacement, flash bleed is a hardware issue that happened with some Z1 & Z1c units. Unheard of with Z2.
Just like i never heard of people complain about too much heating with the Z1 line.
som3a14 said:
Anyway I guess it's also depends on the country you're in. I now believe Sony and maybe even other manufacturers ship defective products to third world countries like mine. So if you're living in say germany or the UK then I guess there would be no problems buying the phone.
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nonsense.
Ryland Johnson said:
The days of using micrometres to gauge acceptable tolerances have long gone. Such measurements are now made by laser beam. SOME will escape all human efforts to exclude a lemon reaching the shops but that is why a two year guarantee is given!
No were have I written a lemon will not be found but the % these days with modern QA is tiny in comparison to days gone bye. Of course some poor soul will buy a mobile that has issues. Point is it has NOTHING to do with non existent batches and all to do with being given a guarantee by Sony.
If you are going to base what you buy on what you read on the WWW I suggest you don't buy any mobile at all and use public phones if they are working and not vandalised.
Ryland
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Thx for better clarification, I just hope not to get poor phone. I wait till Z3 release to make Z2 prices down - in case of my disappointments, pain will be lower
One Twelve said:
1. from what i've seen there is no touch to focus with video in xperia. Whether that is good or bad is debatable. if subjects around you are in the same focal range then you can pan around and things are in focus, this implies subject is stationary. If it isn't then it will be out of focus and here the z2 focuses fast enough provided it can get a bearing on the subject. That is to say subject fills up more of the screen than not. In some cases it can be a pain but in others it can be more practical. This is highly dependendent on the video you are making.
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Hmmm you mean there is no T2F in system camera or it is disabled by driver and no other video apps can use it? I often use T2F because continuous autofocus is bad - can be lost while manual focus stays steady.
2. try not to get too carried away with 4k. This is a new feature and current hardware struggles to keep up. samsung limits recording to 5 minutes, g3 reduces bitrate to 30Mbits (s5 records in 48Mbiits and Z2 at 55 Mbits) and still imposes a 5 minute limit. Z2 does not impose any limit. What is more important is whether Z2 can do 1080p without issues and i've not heard any one complain about this.
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Can you do [email protected] FPS (I will be using only this mode) without heating problems even in direct sunny weather?
3. custom roms means camera functions are limited. This applies with any model except nexus whose camera is public source.
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As same as Samsung it seems.
I have the same dilemma as you but for entirely different reasons. I'm deciding between the k zoom & z2
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Mother of God, if I was to choose between them I'd definitely pick Z2 up
Burgscheinkerkdeiktraast said:
Hmmm you mean there is no T2F in system camera or it is disabled by driver and no other video apps can use it? I often use T2F because continuous autofocus is bad - can be lost while manual focus stays steady.
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There is no T2F in video with sony. Yes focus will be lost when you pan around but it gets it back quick. There is also some focus hunting which was not there in earlier models in low light. See Shem's videos on YT and you will notice it. Possibly a firmware fix to address this last one.
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Can you do [email protected] FPS (I will be using only this mode) without heating problems even in direct sunny weather?
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I do not know about 60FPS, i tested this in a shop with 1080p and it went 10 minutes without issues. This was after the 2:30 record in 4k which said camera is shutting down.
Burgscheinkerkdeiktraast said:
Mother of God, if I was to choose between them I'd definitely pick Z2 up
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Haha, i wish i had your clarity of thought. Am referring to k zoom not s4 zoom. k zoom is the successor to the more bulky s4 zoom. The ads can be a bit off putting as they only feature smiling women using this device. It's take two and a definite improvement in terms of form factor over its predecessor. The annoying thing is i know samsung will nail it next year with v3. That means a possible replacement whereas with z2 i don't think i'd bother as soon. Whatever software improvements z3 brings with will end up with z2 thanks to community efforts.
10x Optical zoom and aperture control opens up many possibilities for framing. you will not use zoom all the time but its handy to have when you want it. And once you get used to it, you cannot go back. Put it this way, no flagship without optical zoom will ever compete with it other than the successor to k zoom.They cannot be compared with on this aspect alone. Without zoom z2 is comparable in image quality but there are more camera features on k zoom. Plus and the most important is this is an android device.
But you compromise in other areas that might be unacceptable to those used to flagship performance.
I've had the xperia z2 phone for about 3 weeks now,and i must say its a pretty descent phone. But i cant help asking myself whats so special about this phone that i paid so much for?. Its indisputable that the z2 is a highly spec'd phone with the gorgeous screen and all,but when talking smartphone,its not all the internal specs that matters,the build quality does matter too,which IMO the z2 doesnt possess. I mean come to think of it,z2 is one of the most complained about smartphones out there,not to mention...
~The spaces found between the metal frame and the glass panel,in-which my phone also have + the back glass got replaced,making it more susceptible to water damage and what not!
~The issue of self cracking,although i understand its of minority,but com'on! Its worrying
~Overheating issues,i know this have been addressed already in several places,a phone like the z2 should be able to withstand some average period of 4k recording without overheating,not just few minutes.
~The inability for the other party to hear during calls...well,even though i was able to find a temporary solution to it by flashing a custom ROM,but do all the z2 owners with same problem have to flash custom rom as well? Also,not to talk of the absurd location of the mic.
~And Oh! Did i mention the camera? Well it has a good amount of MegaPixel but seriously,the camera software suuuuuuuuu*cks!! Most especially the superior auto mode. I find myself using the ProCapture more often now. And the other day,I and a friend of mine with an iPhone 5s snapped same photo,and he mocked me 'cos his images were better than mine.
Lastly,i know That no Smartphone is perfect,buy Sony,You could do better than this!!
Anybody on my side?
You cant judge an entire Brand off of one defective Unit
I have never had overheating from 4k
I never have overheating from gaming
The camera is perfectly fine, it isnt perfect in low light but not many phones can do as good as Z2
Self cracking glass? I dont understand how this posible, glass nor aluminum does not expand nor shrink enough to cause self cracking
Spaces, what spaces?
Yes on my previous defective unit had all these problems but since that defective device was replaced i have had no issues at all
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I've had the xperia z2 phone for about 3 weeks now,and i must say its a pretty descent phone. But i cant help asking myself whats so special about this phone that i paid so much for?. Its indisputable that the z2 is a highly spec'd phone with the gorgeous screen and all,but when talking smartphone,its not all the internal specs that matters,the build quality does matter too,which IMO the z2 doesnt possess. I mean come to think of it,z2 is one of the most complained about smartphones out there,not to mention...
~The spaces found between the metal frame and the glass panel,in-which my phone also have + the back glass got replaced,making it more susceptible to water damage and what not!
~The issue of self cracking,although i understand its of minority,but com'on! Its worrying
~Overheating issues,i know this have been addressed already in several places,a phone like the z2 should be able to withstand some average period of 4k recording without overheating,not just few minutes.
~The inability for the other party to hear during calls...well,even though i was able to find a temporary solution to it by flashing a custom ROM,but do all the z2 owners with same problem have to flash custom rom as well? Also,not to talk of the absurd location of the mic.
~And Oh! Did i mention the camera? Well it has a good amount of MegaPixel but seriously,the camera software suuuuuuuuu*cks!! Most especially the superior auto mode. I find myself using the ProCapture more often now. And the other day,I and a friend of mine with an iPhone 5s snapped same photo,and he mocked me 'cos his images were better than mine.
Lastly,i know That no Smartphone is perfect,buy Sony,You could do better than this!!
Anybody on my side?
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You are too naive on this issue. Z2 isn't a bad device in any aspect. True, u have got a defective piece. But that doesnt make everyone else has. I'll answer all your questions.
1. Spaces are coz of defective units. Every manufacturers have this defective units problem when the demand for the phone is higher. You saw iPhone6(bendgate), S5(Overheating and some more), etc.
2. Self cracking? Hardly that's an issue. I haven't seen that in common. Its a rare issue which is likely to occur only @worst case scenarios.
3. My Z2 only heats up when Camera/Games are running, which is normal on any phone. Need i remind u other devices are bulky and include heat sinks which reduce heating and all Xperia's are slimmer than any other brand compared and yet built tough to survive. All slim phones heat more, but in Sony i have never seen an issue caused of heating(Been using Sony mobiles since 2011).
4. About 4k recording, last time i tested 4k i was able to hit 67 mins with custom thermal settings and was using DoomKernel on 314 fw. Device was on 67 degrees max. Still nothing happened. All devices that support 4k heats n this feature can be only used for a temporary time, provided Sony gave max time of usage of 4k.
5. Call problems? Again, since u might hv had a defective unit, the speaker might be faulty or u might have done something wrong with some mods installation or something.
6. About the Camera, PLS LEARN TO USE MANUAL SETTINGS. All phones in Auto mode SUCKS BIG TIME. Even the phones with best camera's. Manual Settings gives u the best results. Ask any professional photgrapher and prove me wrong(I challenge u). BTW i have seen Z2 producing best camera results after Lumia(The one with 41mp). If u doubt me, look at this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2673226
Tell me all those snaps by our Z2 users are LAME.. :silly:
Like Envious_Data said, u cant judge an entire brand jus coz of a defective unit. U might be a lil unlucky, but that doesnt mean SONY isn't a good brand. From my experience, Sony has been the PREMIUM device manufacturer unlike most of the brands.. I suggest u do a lot of reading and do a lot of research and experiment with ur device b4 erasing it off..
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I've had the xperia z2 phone for about 3 weeks now,and i must say its a pretty descent phone. But i cant help asking myself whats so special about this phone that i paid so much for?. Its indisputable that the z2 is a highly spec'd phone with the gorgeous screen and all,but when talking smartphone,its not all the internal specs that matters,the build quality does matter too,which IMO the z2 doesnt possess. I mean come to think of it,z2 is one of the most complained about smartphones out there,not to mention...
~The spaces found between the metal frame and the glass panel,in-which my phone also have + the back glass got replaced,making it more susceptible to water damage and what not!
~The issue of self cracking,although i understand its of minority,but com'on! Its worrying
~Overheating issues,i know this have been addressed already in several places,a phone like the z2 should be able to withstand some average period of 4k recording without overheating,not just few minutes.
~The inability for the other party to hear during calls...well,even though i was able to find a temporary solution to it by flashing a custom ROM,but do all the z2 owners with same problem have to flash custom rom as well? Also,not to talk of the absurd location of the mic.
~And Oh! Did i mention the camera? Well it has a good amount of MegaPixel but seriously,the camera software suuuuuuuuu*cks!! Most especially the superior auto mode. I find myself using the ProCapture more often now. And the other day,I and a friend of mine with an iPhone 5s snapped same photo,and he mocked me 'cos his images were better than mine.
Lastly,i know That no Smartphone is perfect,buy Sony,You could do better than this!!
Anybody on my side?
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-Yes, the spaces are real problem as Sony is already guilty about this from the previous phones. Luckily mine does not have any but that does not change the fact that they exist on many phone
- No idea about that one as I only read 1-2 things about it and never faced it in reality (me, my brother and my sister's husband bought 3 Z2s together and than my sister got an Z3 and none had any problems so far, so no experience on this one)
-Overheating is not an issue about daily usage or even heavy usage. It only matters on video recording because when video recording not only CPU cores and GPU being used at the same time but also camera processor (I don't know how this one is called) is heavily working to "catch" all that detail (simply taking 30, 4MP photos every single second and has to catch the light and decide for each pixel). Other than that I have not witnessed overheating cousing disconfort or slowing to phone down (I tried playing games more than 2 hours).
- Again, I haven't experienced this either. So no comments here.
- Camera software is really good actually, every setting is there but raw format. Only bothering thing is the AI which is supposed to choose the right settings. It behaves too "human-like" and "emotional" thus resulting some unrealistic color reproduction sometimes. So if you have time (Hope it's not a bird that you are trying to catch) and patience, it's best to make manual setting.
Anyway, apart from the subjects you mention, Let's compare what the "rivals" offer;
LG: there is G3. unnecessarily high screen resolution with a result that is not any better than Sony's screen thus also resulting worse battery life and more waste of GPU power. Although I like the design, and the placement of the buttons to the back side, very much; Sony has more premium materials and better camera with better results against the OIS, laser focusing camera of LG's.
Besides, G3 comes with two different amounts of RAM which makes me take the company as "disturbingly arrogant after the succesfull Nexus 4,5 and G2 and quickly forgot the days that they were punished by the customers' wallets because of locked bootloader of Optimus G and other unsuccesfull phones". Still, they choose to make things harder for developers after a very developer friendly G2. I believe there is no match in this land to Sony.
HTC; One (M8). HTC has been trying to bring some changes to the game since long time with their Beats Audio and other audio projects. They also tried to change things in the camera section too. I can't say they are doing bad things but I believe 20.7MP is still has higher capability of catching the light better than dual 4MP, bigger pixel camera. And I also believe (and tested) Sony's sound capabilities are better than HTC's when it comes to headphones (which is what is really important for a true music lover in my opinion. Who can truly enjoy the music from a mobile devices speakers? Want real music, use the jack)
On the chipset performance section, One (M8) is still not a rival to Sony's Z2. Not talking about the battery, it's 2600MAh.
Besides (I don't know if things are different from my One X days) HTC devices come with an extra security to try to prevent you from unlocking bootloader and saving themselves when they need to honor the warranty. After losing my patience over my One X's waiting for an S-OFF solution, I run away from HTC and never looked back (I can't even consider Nexus 9, thinking Nvidia and HTC coming together is like another Saw movie, it scares me). In a world even jailbreaking is legal that is too much for an Android user to accept.
Let's come to Motorola/Google; Nexus 6. It's a great rival, an honorable one. And maybe the only one with the ability of putting a real fight. Still, with that 6" screen it's not everyones cup of cake. Design and the specs are gorgeus, so is the screen. But it's big. I came to Xperia Z2 after a long time Note 2, then Nexus 4 usage and it feels right with 5.2" screen. This one is about preferences though, not the actual spec comparison.
Nexus 6 becomes a real deal with it's AMOLED screen (not calibrated by Samsung thankfully), water ressistance, best CPU&GPU and it's cutting edge software. However, when it comes to one-hand compatibility, MicroSD card expantion chance, camera and soudn quality Sony still has it's advantages.
And finally Samsung; S5 and Note 4. I guess I should take Note 4 into account as it's newer and better. Samsung has fingerprint sensor as different from it's rivals. A nice one to accept.
I understand that Samsung is a hardware making company. So they have to create and sell their hardwares and it's easy to see Quallcomm dominated the market since the Nexus 4 attack. Google did this to unify the market. Since the S4 Pro evey Quallcomm chipset has great similarities on their softwares and drivers, mostly their performance vary. This helps developers to measure their fresh-written apps/games on 1 or 2 devices and easily make sure they will run on many devices out there. It sounds good right? Well, Samsung is always bringing their SoCs to the market and always trying to push the limits (sometimes by cheating on benchmarks). On the raw power side, that could seem as a good thing but on the software side it messes things. As a big part of the market, almost every developer has the feeling to make their game/app compatible with Samsung devices. But they come with different SoCs and Samsung refuses to share their own chipsets' source codes. So they just make everything harder for developers. I guess we all know that a well optimised software is always better than the highest hardware.
One more thing about Samsung, they are first company to open their bootloaders to the public and shared every necessary code on their Galaxy S days. This is how they got so respected and made all that money. So they still have the unlocked bootloader but with some ir-reversable flagging system that flags you if you alter anything as small as a rooting attempt to your system. And then, they claim you out of warranty. Besides, as they refuse to share their source codes for their hardware, most developers have really hard time preparing custom ROMs or early fixes etc. for Samsung phones. So basically, Samsung tells you that "you have a phone which comes with an unlocked bootloader so you can do whatever you want with it.........If you can"
If you are a fan of Samsung's software and policy than it's a good semi-independent eco system in Android world. The S-Pen is also good. However I can not take them anymore after the Note II's hard days, waiting for a simply working AOSP ROM.
I know there are other Android companies but these are best-known ones globally and after that comparison I believe Xperia Z2 started to seem better in your eyes. If still not, I can also remind you;
-Sony is the only company which update kernels too,
-Sony is the only company which provides the AOSP code for their devices (the other compaines rather selling their devices as GPEs but apperiently Google has taken this idea down)
-Xperia Z2 has the best music experience throught the headphones among it's rivals
-One of the best (If not best) cameras out there
-Has that DRM keys problem for the "discoverer" people like us but thanks to our developers there is cure to that.
Let me start by saying You guys got me abit wrong. I didn't write all that based solely on my personal experience with the phone. Trust me,I've done some good research and found out that vast majority of the issues encountered with by the xz2 users revolve around all these problems. I understand my phone could be one of the defective units sold,so you saying that the thousands of users who complain about the same set of problems in different forums all bought the defective units? I dont think that would make any sense.
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4. About 4k recording, last time i tested 4k i was able to hit 67 mins with custom thermal settings and was using DoomKernel on 314 fw. Device was on 67 degrees max. Still nothing happened. All devices that support 4k heats n this feature can be only used for a temporary time, provided Sony gave max time of usage of 4k.
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What if i dont wanna customize the thermal settings or play around with kernels? Does that mean i cant get same results as yours?? Besides,I(and im sure many people) wont buy a phone like this just to start tempering with stuff!!
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5. Call problems? Again, since u might hv had a defective unit, the speaker might be faulty or u might have done something wrong with some mods installation or something.
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I dont think the call problems i faced have anything to do with the mic,as ive stated,i solved the problem by simply flashing a custom rom(eXistenZ) into it. But Hey! Not everyone would want to root their phones or flash a custom rom just to fix the basic function of a phone!!
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6. About the Camera, PLS LEARN TO USE MANUAL SETTINGS. All phones in Auto mode SUCKS BIG TIME. Even the phones with best camera's. Manual Settings gives u the best results.
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You're definitely wrong about this! Not every's phone Auto Mode sucks. Coz iPhone's Auto Mode doesnt suck as much as it does on xz2,(not comparing iOS with Android by any chance)and trust me,it produces some descent shots for the on-the-go photographer like me who wouldn't want/have to temper with manual settings,perhaps i dont know much about it
One thing most of you fail to realize is that an ideal smartphone should aim at satisfying both the average users and the Know-How guys like me and you
And Oh! Does Anybody know how i can reduce the intensity of incoming call vibration on this phone?? Its more like an earthquake
It's a little annoying you created this thread and expect people to agree points substantiated with poor arguments? So what's go great of the S5? Exploding batteries, laggy UI?! M8, the "awesome" camera???
Everyone phone has its flaws, but sadly, the those mentioned for the Z2 are mostly invalid. Overheating won't happen unless you use 4k. Dropped my phone numerous times and not a single scratch on my the glass panel. My unit screen is aligned accurately. I don't know what you're trying to get out of this thread? Or you're a keyboard warrior paid by Samsung?
And how old are you? Your post is riddled with smileys and stuff. If you find this discussion funny, please do not start this thread, you're wasting everyone's time. And your best friend mocked you because he presumed the iPhone takes better photos than the Z2 (not true)?? Such maturity.
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Let me start by saying You guys got me abit wrong. I didn't write all that based solely on my personal experience with the phone. Trust me,I've done some good research and found out that vast majority of the issues encountered with by the xz2 users revolve around all these problems. I understand my phone could be one of the defective units sold,so you saying that the thousands of users who complain about the same set of problems in different forums all bought the defective units? I dont think that would make any sense.
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The thing is Sony started to manufacture phones themselves since Z2 and before that they had a client tied up manufacturing the units. Since they started their own, they had a setback, a lot of defective Z2 units and Sony did agree to replace the defective ones with a proper unit and they did(One of our RC's got his Z2 replaced like 4 times). So when u get a proper unit, u won't be seeing any of these issues. All Z2's having batch nos til 14w21 are defective in one or the other way. Some are major defective and some are minor. Batches after 14w25 are clean as a whistle, aka no defects even if u search with a magnifying glass.
What if i dont wanna customize the thermal settings or play around with kernels? Does that mean i cant get same results as yours?? Besides,I(and im sure many people) wont buy a phone like this just to start tempering with stuff!!
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I am on a non-rooted phone right now. Still 4k ran for half hour without problems. Although u don't seem to accept the fact that 4k is still kinda in the initial phase of the mobile market. Smartphones require more improvements which will come in the near future.
I dont think the call problems i faced have anything to do with the mic,as ive stated,i solved the problem by simply flashing a custom rom(eXistenZ) into it. But Hey! Not everyone would want to root their phones or flash a custom rom just to fix the basic function of a phone!!
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Call problem hasn't been a problem on any Z2 i have seen so far. 8 of my friends have bought a Z2 ever since they saw mine. None of them complained any of the issues u faced. Plus Call clarity is better than other phones that i have compared.
You're definitely wrong about this! Not every's phone Auto Mode sucks. Coz iPhone's Auto Mode doesnt suck as much as it does on xz2,(not comparing iOS with Android by any chance)and trust me,it produces some descent shots for the on-the-go photographer like me who wouldn't want/have to temper with manual settings,perhaps i dont know much about it
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Android doesn't support RAW exif until Android 5.0. With Lollipop, Image processing changes drastically. But for the better of the performance. Although i disagree with u on this. I even linked u to the pictures thread, did u see it? Did u see atleast 10 pages? I was impressed by the Z2's Camera capability even with 4.4.4(KitKat). On any phone, Auto Mode isn't recommended. Manual Settings are a MUST. If u say otherwise, then the whole photography concept is WRONG. (Which isn't). Even average users use Manual Settings pal, no one uses Auto mode anymore unlike very few.
One thing most of you fail to realize is that an ideal smartphone should aim at satisfying both the average users and the Know-How guys like me and you
And Oh! Does Anybody know how i can reduce the intensity of incoming call vibration on this phone?? Its more like an earthquake
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Again, you're able to notice issues nobody else have. Vibration intensity? Its more than normal. Its like 10% of what my Nokia 3310 caused. Now that's what u call an Earthquake, Z2 is fine. If u feel otherwise, you should consider selling it and go for other brands. That's my suggestion. But i'm pretty sure you're gonna come back to Xperia section itself. You should do more research and find facts unlike some sites only provide false stats n reviews.
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It's a little annoying you created this thread and expect people to agree points substantiated with poor arguments? So what's go great of the S5? Exploding batteries, laggy UI?! M8, the "awesome" camera???
Everyone phone has its flaws, but sadly, the those mentioned for the Z2 are mostly invalid. Overheating won't happen unless you use 4k. Dropped my phone numerous times and not a single scratch on my the glass panel. My unit screen is aligned accurately. I don't know what you're trying to get out of this thread? Or you're a keyboard warrior paid by Samsung?
And how old are you? Your post is riddled with smileys and stuff. If you find this discussion funny, please do not start this thread, you're wasting everyone's time. And your best friend mocked you because he presumed the iPhone takes better photos than the Z2 (not true)?? Such maturity.
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Totally agree with that bro @lee480
Kinda useless if you ask me, why such people open new threads like this, they can read the specs and informations on google but for some it is hard to find and it is also useless to compare different devices like Sony v.s. Samsung or any other brand with eachother, every device have his own abilities, so if some dont like the Xperia Range step then over to another one, so they dont have to bother us with they frustrations, simple as that !
Sony is just the best in my eyes and i use it for years and i see and feel the improvements what they bring to us and i dont have any complainings on that.
Sony rocks !!
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I switch from nexus 5 to z2 hopin it will be on higher ends of things but it turn out to be worse tha N5. The only pro it has over N5 is the screen size and battery life. The camera on z2 is awful. I can take my N5 out and take pics with perfect clarity and brightness in dark restaurant. With my z2, it takes yellowish pictures and dark front camera. I wish I never brought it and now im stuck with it
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I switch from nexus 5 to z2 hopin it will be on higher ends of things but it turn out to be worse tha N5. The only pro it has over N5 is the screen size and battery life. The camera on z2 is awful. I can take my N5 out and take pics with perfect clarity and brightness in dark restaurant. With my z2, it takes yellowish pictures and dark front camera. I wish I never brought it and now im stuck with it
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I admit the z2 camera sucks compared to like the s5 or note 4 or even the g3 in some cases, but against the nexus 5? I am beginning to question your eyesight.
No need to force everyone to agree with your perception. U can sell your device and get a new one, buy the iPhone if u like the features of the Apple. Its so annoying if u keep complaining and forcing people to agree with your logic. Get a life, smartphone is not everything.
+1 @yuskhayru said pretty much what i was going to say
Honnestly Xperias Rival Nokia in terms of camera quality
I have only seen 2 brands truly suprize me with quality and i just mentioned them
Im also dead sick of seeing all this repetitive complaining about silly thing.
If you have a defective unit, Have it replaced.
If you dont like your phone, sell it and buy another.
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I've had the xperia z2 phone for about 3 weeks now,and i must say its a pretty descent phone. But i cant help asking myself whats so special about this phone that i paid so much for?. Its indisputable that the z2 is a highly spec'd phone with the gorgeous screen and all,but when talking smartphone,its not all the internal specs that matters,the build quality does matter too,which IMO the z2 doesnt possess. I mean come to think of it,z2 is one of the most complained about smartphones out there,not to mention...
~The spaces found between the metal frame and the glass panel,in-which my phone also have + the back glass got replaced,making it more susceptible to water damage and what not!
~The issue of self cracking,although i understand its of minority,but com'on! Its worrying
~Overheating issues,i know this have been addressed already in several places,a phone like the z2 should be able to withstand some average period of 4k recording without overheating,not just few minutes.
~The inability for the other party to hear during calls...well,even though i was able to find a temporary solution to it by flashing a custom ROM,but do all the z2 owners with same problem have to flash custom rom as well? Also,not to talk of the absurd location of the mic.
~And Oh! Did i mention the camera? Well it has a good amount of MegaPixel but seriously,the camera software suuuuuuuuu*cks!! Most especially the superior auto mode. I find myself using the ProCapture more often now. And the other day,I and a friend of mine with an iPhone 5s snapped same photo,and he mocked me 'cos his images were better than mine.
Lastly,i know That no Smartphone is perfect,buy Sony,You could do better than this!!
Anybody on my side?
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sorry about your unit you should have it replaced like what others have suggested.
the z2 for me is quite the looker (even compared to z3).
- i don't have the gap issue. my build number is 14w34.
- self cracking? been using it for 3 months now, not a single crack since. (also on tempered glass back to back).
- overheating is normal. we just have to deal with it. especially with 4k and some heavy gfx games.
- mic/call issue? i don't have it
- camera software sucks? if you can flash a custom rom, then surely you might have heard of xposed? not running 20mp superior auto? i usually photograph sceneries and my experience with the z2 has never been more awesome.
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not to mention, manual mode is there plus the many other camera shooting modes like background defocus (which is super awesome) and the likes.
and lastly, waterproof (*resist) nuff said.
the only downer for me is that warranty doesn't cover water damage but hey, that's another issue.
my two cents worth
From june 2014 till yesterday when i got my last replacement its 4 UNITS REPLACED for one year, all these faults happend to me , first was the selfcracking backplate , then on the next unit people were unable to hear me , and it backplate opened by itself and wasnt waterproof anymore, so 2days ago got my 4th replacement...its good from one side that you buy phone and after almost year you got still new device,buuuut guys thata not acceptable after all these faults with the 'Z" anf Sony just didnt learn their lessons, same faults on the flagships each new year, dont say to me all these bull****s thats its normal,because its not normal to replace 4 units for 1 year...
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Soooo can you report a thread on xda for being useless and a waste of the interwebs?
If you want to complain I suggest you should head over to the sony support forum to vent your frustration. This may have the unintended benefit of someone seeing the rant that could help.
I have to agree that sony z series main weakness is camera software. But did you try used other camera app? It might help you anyway, it is better to have a software deficiency rather than lack of hardware feature. From z to z2 im happy it had improved alot problem only is other oem had improved alot also. Anyway hope sony outshines this. Cause there are no drastically added features in smartphone.
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Soooo can you report a thread on xda for being useless and a waste of the interwebs?
If you want to complain I suggest you should head over to the sony support forum to vent your frustration. This may have the unintended benefit of someone seeing the rant that could help.
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Aparently reporting does nothing.
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Aparently reporting does nothing.
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Yes it do ^^
A Moderator take a look into it and close it but not sure but i think yes if they read the replies here.
Sent From Somewhere On Earth With My Z2 ^^
Ok guys!
Im sorry if I've caused anybody a headache by creating this thread,i was just trying to rule out some things about my new phone so i thought i could see the opinions of you guys that are using the same phone.
We could be a little bit diplomatic when addressing issues like this,No big deal. It was just a thread!!
Anyways,like i said,Im sorry.
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No need to force everyone to agree with your perception. U can sell your device and get a new one, buy the iPhone if u like the features of the Apple. Its so annoying if u keep complaining and forcing people to agree with your logic. Get a life, smartphone is not everything.
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Im not forcing anybody to agree with my perception. I obviously came from an iPhone so i dont need another.
You're right,smartphone is not everything. Sorry about the annoyance:angel:
Hey what's up guys. I thought I would share my review of this super phone.
Please note that my review style is not for everyone, and there is profanity in this review. If you don't mind, come check it out!
Appreciate it.
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Appreciate it.
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Hope you enjoyed
Finally, a real review.
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Finally, a real review.
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I hope that's a good thing! Thanks man
"Toyota Corolla," heh!
I've got to disagree with your assessment of the screen. I love the V30 screen, but it's still a clear second to the Note 8. I knew that going in, and it didn't stop me from purchasing my V30. I look at how bright and crystal clear it is when I have it mounted up in the car for navigation and keep thinking oooh, two weeks on. Playing videos are fine, but if I'm watching from an off angle (and this happens, in the morning if I'm showing my boys something over breakfast), or I might notice that skin tone is ever so slightly off while watching in a dark room, but whatever -- it's a great screen for my uses, certainly better than the Droid Turbo I'm coming from, I'm ok but props to Samsung for nailing theirs.
Also the rear camera -- you gave it some knocks, which may be deserved, but it takes photos as well as I need them to be taken, meaning solid results. But the wide angle lens -- let me tell you, I'm a picky camera shopper, and one reason I've been a fan of Panasonic's LX series cameras over the past 10 years is because of the great wide angle lens on those units. So many buyers seem to ask, "what's the max zoom?" but the real question is "how wide can I go?" This camera's wide lens will get the shot that others optically cannot.
The UI, eh, but I threw Nova and Google Now and Pixel Dialer on there, so it doesn't bother me. I love that LG long press feature. I love the Knock Code and the Knock Off feature. I miss my (non-stock Android) Moto actions for "twist for camera" and "chop for flashlight," but I'm getting along without.
Anyhow, your review I found a good summary. It's not just the information, but it's the enthusiasm a reviewer offers that gives the clearer indication if a product is worth somebody's time. That's why when I read these so-so reviews from ARS, Business Insider, Engadget, etc. and I shake my head. It's like these guys aren't about looking for a good phone that works well, they're stuck making all these comparisons, "is the screen BETTER THAN Samsung," "is the camera BETTER THAN iPhone," "is the UX BETTER THAN Pixel." Obviously the features need to measure up to some bar -- obviously the selfie cam on the V30 is a major disappointment but thankfully that's like no. zero on my "things I care about" list.
How about, are all these aspects ENJOYABLE and how well do they function as a PACKAGE -- you know, usability. For me the Note 8 was a contender but it is just a little too big, the V30 is a pleasure to hold. The Note cam has some cool features I'd like the V30 to have but the V30 has some cool features the Note doesn't.
Anyhow, great review, don't knock the Corolla too hard, one may have saved my life, but I know what you mean 'cause I didn't buy another.
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I hope that's a good thing! Thanks man
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Yes, and it nails that LG has its mojo back. They would be back more if they would treat the G series like Samsung treats the Galaxy S series (like a real top tier phone), but they made a great phone with the LG V30.
The LG V30 is contender for phone of the year -- another reviewer said that, and I agree. I'm not saying it's THE phone of the year, but I think it's in the top two. I wish LG had put in a better selfie camera, mostly so I wouldn't keep hearing people complain about it. I personally don't care. (And some in the forum have pointed out the default software settings on that selfie camera make it worse than it really is.)
I'm coming from the international version of the Droid Turbo, the Moto XT1225 (basically the smaller version of the Moto Nexus 6, but with bigger battery), but a long time LG fan and have owned several LG phones. But the last LG phone I cared about owning (size, specs) for daily driver was the LG G4. And I sold that to buy a third Moto XT1225.
The LG V30 makes me feel like when I heard the Moto XT1225 announced. I WANT this phone. I also want to root it, so waiting for the dev friendly LG V30 to be released in the U.S.
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"Toyota Corolla," heh!
I've got to disagree with your assessment of the screen. I love the V30 screen, but it's still a clear second to the Note 8. I knew that going in, and it didn't stop me from purchasing my V30. I look at how bright and crystal clear it is when I have it mounted up in the car for navigation and keep thinking oooh, two weeks on. Playing videos are fine, but if I'm watching from an off angle (and this happens, in the morning if I'm showing my boys something over breakfast), or I might notice that skin tone is ever so slightly off while watching in a dark room, but whatever -- it's a great screen for my uses, certainly better than the Droid Turbo I'm coming from, I'm ok but props to Samsung for nailing theirs.
Also the rear camera -- you gave it some knocks, which may be deserved, but it takes photos as well as I need them to be taken, meaning solid results. But the wide angle lens -- let me tell you, I'm a picky camera shopper, and one reason I've been a fan of Panasonic's LX series cameras over the past 10 years is because of the great wide angle lens on those units. So many buyers seem to ask, "what's the max zoom?" but the real question is "how wide can I go?" This camera's wide lens will get the shot that others optically cannot.
The UI, eh, but I threw Nova and Google Now and Pixel Dialer on there, so it doesn't bother me. I love that LG long press feature. I love the Knock Code and the Knock Off feature. I miss my (non-stock Android) Moto actions for "twist for camera" and "chop for flashlight," but I'm getting along without.
Anyhow, your review I found a good summary. It's not just the information, but it's the enthusiasm a reviewer offers that gives the clearer indication if a product is worth somebody's time. That's why when I read these so-so reviews from ARS, Business Insider, Engadget, etc. and I shake my head. It's like these guys aren't about looking for a good phone that works well, they're stuck making all these comparisons, "is the screen BETTER THAN Samsung," "is the camera BETTER THAN iPhone," "is the UX BETTER THAN Pixel." Obviously the features need to measure up to some bar -- obviously the selfie cam on the V30 is a major disappointment but thankfully that's like no. zero on my "things I care about" list.
How about, are all these aspects ENJOYABLE and how well do they function as a PACKAGE -- you know, usability. For me the Note 8 was a contender but it is just a little too big, the V30 is a pleasure to hold. The Note cam has some cool features I'd like the V30 to have but the V30 has some cool features the Note doesn't.
Anyhow, great review, don't knock the Corolla too hard, one may have saved my life, but I know what you mean 'cause I didn't buy another.
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Thanks for responding. I have read some reports of some people having bad screens and I suppose it's completely plausible. My unit had a great screen. Also I think the rear camera, but the average just wants to point and shoot and have the phone spit out a good pic. They don't want to tinker with shutter speed, iso, metering methods, etc. The v30 capable is capable, but the software in my opinion don't maximze the camera hardware. Front camera is plain trash. The wide camera is awesome.
Also I appreciate those kind words. I will Never be one of those "tell them what they want to hear" reviewers. I have been lucky enough to land some pretty big deals from my tech reviews in the shorrt time I have been doing them, but no matter how high I go, my review style will always stay the same. Some hate it some love it.
Thanks for taking the time out to respond. I appreciate that **** man!
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Yes, and it nails that LG has its mojo back. They would be back more if they would treat the G series like Samsung treats the Galaxy S series (like a real top tier phone), but they made a great phone with the LG V30.
The LG V30 is contender for phone of the year -- another reviewer said that, and I agree. I'm not saying it's THE phone of the year, but I think it's in the top two. I wish LG had put in a better selfie camera, mostly so I wouldn't keep hearing people complain about it. I personally don't care. (And some in the forum have pointed out the default software settings on that selfie camera make it worse than it really is.)
I'm coming from the international version of the Droid Turbo, the Moto XT1225 (basically the smaller version of the Moto Nexus 6, but with bigger battery), but a long time LG fan and have owned several LG phones. But the last LG phone I cared about owning (size, specs) for daily driver was the LG G4. And I sold that to buy a third Moto XT1225.
The LG V30 makes me feel like when I heard the Moto XT1225 announced. I WANT this phone. I also want to root it, so waiting for the dev friendly LG V30 to be released in the U.S.
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Totally agree! Thanks for responding!!!
I drive a Toyota Yaris. I think for me, the V30 might not be the best phone out there, but it's like my Yaris. It just suits me. I'm not keeping up with Joneses, I like my stuff to appeal to only myself.
I get why some people want the best car, the best phone, the best house, etc.
Me? I just want to be happy. If that means going against the flow, I'm cool with it.
I'm a girl obsessed with tech, I'm already looked at like I've got a third eye. Haha!
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I get why some people want the best car, the best phone, the best house, etc.
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Blasphemy!
The V30 IS the best phone!
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Blasphemy!
The V30 IS the best phone!
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Best is relevant to the person. That's more what I meant. They'll follow trends even if it's junk. Like the iPhone X for example.
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I'm sorry, but this was a HORRIBLE review.
1. The screen is not that great. It has terrible off axis viewing. Tilt a white screen slightly and it will turn blue just a few degrees off axis. It also washes out in bright light.
2. You didn't say when you can and cannot use the Sabre DAC in the system. What is good about it and what is horrible. You also fail to mention that the MQA playback ability really does not work and all 44.1khz CD quality PCM is upconverted to 48khz with awful artifacts. You also should mention that the only way to play DSD on this device is to use the very basic stock LG Music Player
3. The camera HARDWARE on the rear facing camera is actually the best. It is the camera software that is not great. The jpg processing is horrible but raw photos are excellent. You really need to use manual mode to take advantage of the cameras. Also, you keep talking about the camera on the other phones being better. It is actually just the software. Install the Pixel 2 camera software on this phone and it is terrific.
4. Most of the complaints that you have are due to bundled software choices which are all changeable, not on the hardware which is not.
5. The promised wireless quick charging is UNUSABLE as there is no quick charger available the correctly outputs the necessary 15 watts to take advantage of it.
If you are going to review a phone, really learn the hardware features of the phone and really push them!!!!!
If we were all concerned with what others think, then we'd all be cursing our iPhone X's. I buy what appeals to me and am not loyal to any particular brand of phone. That is a bit different when it comes to cell companies though. Definitely can't complain about T-Mobile and I've got the magenta gear to represent.
The video gets a thumbs down from me for one reason. Keep your personal political opinions to yourself! I don't care if you agree with me or not. My opinions are mine and unless I ask you for yours, I couldn't care less! Political crap aside, the opinions expressed in the video seemed a bit... over the top. It's kind of ironic that 3 out of the 4 features he mentions that were the only features he liked about the V20 aren't in the V30/V30+. Like the V20, the screen V30/V30+ could also be better. Personally, I think he was a bit too hard on the V20 but that is just my opinion. He really didn't support his opinions very well, like with the V20 screen and device in general as a comparison. He might just like this phone a lot and there is nothing wrong with that. It doesn't seem to translate well into a review I would personally consider useful to helping me decide on whether or not a phone is for me.
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Best is relevant to the person. That's more what I meant. They'll follow trends even if it's junk. Like the iPhone X for example.
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Exactly.... That's exactly what I meant. I picked the best phone, leaving out the "for me"
To help the OP out with any reviews he does in the future. I would like to offer a good point of reference to further illustrate how I think reviews should be more focused.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j78lXtKd-5I
Although an unboxing, this videos fairly direct and to the point. He also supports his statements and opinions with reasons for them. "Shout out to AT&T for stealing the headphones!" That piece of humor fits with the theme of the video because it is related to what the subject of the video is all about. I can personally say I have had that happen to me more than once, friends, and others that have received a device at some point or another that were missing an accessory that was supposed to be in the box.
Every day, people are bombarded with political crap and some of us are just tired of it. Whether people are pro-Trump or anti-Trump isn't the point. If I wanted political views, there are plenty of videos on YouTube that represent even the most ridiculous views on all sides out there to watch. When I am looking for a video on a cell phone, I am only interested in seeing and hearing about the phone in a constructive way. This extends well beyond political views as well, at least for me and also falls along the lines of sneaky ad placement.
In most cases, people just want to see and hear about the subject, which is the V30 in your video, and why you like it or dislike it with reasons to support those conclusions. One of the reasons why I watch just about every review of something I want is to see if there is something someone else will notice about what I am interested in that I might not. Especially when that might affect my decision on whether or not I still want that particular thing.
...or you could just let the man do his reviews the way he wants to do his reviews, and you don't watch them.
You've spent a lot of words trying to get him conform to your ideal.
I enjoyed the review and ignored any political stuff.
I'm also not sure why he NEEDS to say certain audio files can only play through the stock LG audio player to take advantage of the quad DAC, when other premium phones don't have quad DAC at all.
It's like saying "it's a Porsche, but you're forced to buy premium gas." It sounds like a criticism which is irrelevant. Don't like using LG stock player? Will Samsung NOTE 8 have quad DAC with 3rd party players or ANY PLAYER? No? So, it doesn't matter then. LG supplies a quad DAC and the means to play the files. Maybe he LIKES the LG stock player. If you don't, make your own review.
Only if another popular premium phone has a feature the LG V30 does not have, is it relevant. Which is why most reviewers are forced to mention portrait view camera vs wide view cameras.
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...or you could just let the man do his reviews the way he wants to do his reviews, and you don't watch them.
You've spent a lot of words trying to get him conform to your ideal.
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It's not that I want him to conform to my views. We need more reviewers out there reviewing phones. Suggesting he leave out things that may alienate potential subscribers as well as providing a more in-depth explanation as to why something "sucks" would at the very least help those watching understand his point of view. It was just constructive feedback because I would like to see more people review phones outside of what YouTube currently has to offer.
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I enjoyed the review and ignored any political stuff.
I'm also not sure why he NEEDS to say certain audio files can only play through the stock LG audio player to take advantage of the quad DAC, when other premium phones don't have quad DAC at all.
It's like saying "it's a Porsche, but you're forced to buy premium gas." It sounds like a criticism which is irrelevant. Don't like using LG stock player? Will Samsung NOTE 8 have quad DAC with 3rd party players or ANY PLAYER? No? So, it doesn't matter then. LG supplies a quad DAC and the means to play the files. Maybe he LIKES the LG stock player. If you don't, make your own review.
Only if another popular premium phone has a feature the LG V30 does not have, is it relevant. Which is why most reviewers are forced to mention portrait view camera vs wide view cameras.
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I definitely agree about the Portrait View I keep hearing so much about but couldn't care less about. Same with people pointing out how the selfie camera produces poor results. Those are two things I don't care about. However, for a less than ideal camera on the front, the Face Unlock for the V30 works exceptionally well. You don't need the best camera out there to give you the best results for Face Unlock.
Let me start by saying that I am not attacking his character or calling him clueless in general, but he is obviously amateur to when it comes to using Huawei's phones.
I always thought the results he gets from his P30 Pro are way off when compared to the results other reviewers get from their phones, or from the ones I get from my P30 Pro. They're always overly saturated with tons of contrast. And I never understood the reason until I watched his OP 7 Pro vs S10+ vs P30 Pro camera comparison. And as someone who had the S10+ before this phone, and with my wife still owning her S10+, I know that 8/10 times, the S10 will give you the more saturated picture, which isn't the case with Mrwhosetheboss. Then I finally found out why is this the case with his phone, as it turned out that he is using the Smooth Colors option because he thinks, and I believe based on the name of the mode, it generates less saturation while using this mode. He mentioned this twice in his review, so it's obvious he uses this mode all the time, thus why the P30 Pro in this test lost miserably to the S10 and OP 7 Pro, as the P30 Pro pictures were coming out extremely cartoonish with crushed details in the shadows as if you're using a vignette filter all over your pictures.
I believe that while Huawei are taking these so called professional reviewers on cruise trips all over Europe, they also should educate them on how to use their phones so that they won't spread misinformation to the masses without them realizing that they're doing that.
I apologize for the longass rant, and for my average English.
Finally someone will write something about this person. His tests are absolutely incorrect, I blocked him and I no longer look at his reviews
dule2303 said:
Finally someone will write something about this person. His tests are absolutely incorrect, I blocked him and I no longer look at his reviews
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Maybe he got some extra money to judge like that..
All these paid reviews are actually not worth watching. Find those smaller youtubers who buy the device for themselves and test it.
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All these paid reviews are actually not worth watching. Find those smaller youtubers who buy the device for themselves and test it.
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It's a double edged sword. People who purchase a certain phone (usually because they are interested in it) can also often be huge fanboys of a brand/product, saying crap to validate their purchase, ie. "this $800 phone I just purchased is great, otherwise I'd look like a total idiot!"
That and the fact that they usually don't have the option to compare with so many phones since they have to pay for them.
But there are youtubers where you can easily spot the fact that it's a paid review in some way. Money weighs more than integrity for most people.
Of course
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It's a double edged sword. People who purchase a certain phone (usually because they are interested in it) can also often be huge fanboys of a brand/product, saying crap to validate their purchase, ie. "this $800 phone I just purchased is great, otherwise I'd look like a total idiot!"
That and the fact that they usually don't have the option to compare with so many phones since they have to pay for them.
But there are youtubers where you can easily spot the fact that it's a paid review in some way. Money weighs more than integrity for most people.
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The best thing to do before buying any phone, is watch few reviews from the YouTubers you trust, then head to reddit and XDA to read more from those who bought the device and actually used it.
He always gives positive critics on new products and then after some months stop support his opinion because he don't paid any more. Remember this, when mate 30 pro will launch he would say how incredible camera it has(even if it will have same camera as p30 pro)
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He always gives positive critics on new products and then after some months stop support his opinion because he don't paid any more. Remember this, when mate 30 pro will launch he would say how incredible camera it has(even if it will have same camera as p30 pro)
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The thing with the P30 Pro is that he obviously had been using this mode since day one, but until yesterday we knew why his pictures and videos were looking like crap.
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The thing with the P30 Pro is that he obviously had been using this mode since day one, but until yesterday we knew why his pictures and videos were looking like crap.
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I doubt he even updated his firmware. Most reviewers didn't hence why their videos are extra reddish.
Ultimately i guess, waiting a month or two for real reviews on xda or reddit would be the best.
But hye, most of us can't wait , get it on day 1 and regret about it later :laugh: Im quite happy with my p30 pro since updates are quite frequent and most of the color corrections are fixed.
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I doubt he even updated his firmware. Most reviewers didn't hence why their videos are extra reddish.
Ultimately i guess, waiting a month or two for real reviews on xda or reddit would be the best.
But hye, most of us can't wait , get it on day 1 and regret about it later :laugh: Im quite happy with my p30 pro since updates are quite frequent and most of the color corrections are fixed.
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I agree. The S10+ was the first flagship phone I have ever sold less than one month after owning it, and that was because I knew no matter what Samsung does, their lowlight photography won't improve drastically with software updates.
The P30 Pro was also a bit frustrating when I first got it, but from my experience with the P20 Pro, I knew Huawei was going to address the issues and more, and I am extremely satisfied with all the improvements Huawei has brought with their updates.
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I knew Huawei was going to address the issues and more, and I am extremely satisfied with all the improvements Huawei has brought with their updates.
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Would be fair if you rename or make any corrections to your own thread about TOF sensor. With latest updates it does work and hopefully is going to be improved in the future.
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Would be fair if you rename or make any corrections to your own thread about TOF sensor. With latest updates it does work and hopefully is going to be improved in the future.
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While I love my P30 Pro, I'm not going to be biased towards Huawei and give them a pass on something that is obviously not working, or at least not doing anything they promised us it will.
As you can read from the responses on that thread, the vast majority of those who tested my experiment of covering the tof sensor, are still reporting that either way, they came with the same results whether it's the camera app or the AR Measure app.
I'm on .153, and I tested everything, from portrait shots to aperture mode, to night shots, and also low light scenarios, and still, there is ZERO difference between the pictures I get when the tof is covered or uncovered.
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While I love my P30 Pro, I'm not going to be biased towards Huawei and give them a pass on something that is obviously not working, or at least not doing anything they promised us it will.
As you can read from the responses on that thread, the vast majority of those who tested my experiment of covering the tof sensor, are still reporting that either way, they came with the same results whether it's the camera app or the AR Measure app.
I'm on .153, and I tested everything, from portrait shots to aperture mode, to night shots, and also low light scenarios, and still, there is ZERO difference between the pictures I get when the tof is covered or uncovered.
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Try covering it when using thining /re shaping during video?
I think this goes for a lot of those 'celebrity reviewers' on Youtube, most of them are clueless and to be honest quite stupid. They simply review the unit to make money, if what they say and do is wrong seems to be of no importance. Personally i never watch those videos anymore, they have become more of a joke than something to take seriously.
/ Magnus
The P30 Pro's camera capabilities have come a long way if you factor in the improvements from .153 (and now .162 supposedly).
If some of these YT can ensure they're running the latest available firmware, it'll definitely help paint a clearer and more accurate picture but I understand this isn't always possible because of the timings of the video.
Coming from .124, I definitely noticed an improvement but not convinced if all these reviewers are also on it.
yes he is..you can see his latest review for op7p vs n10p vs p30p. seems obvious he is doing for the sake of money instead of real passion
My P30 pro has almost the same issue. Brown skin tones are applied to a heavy contrast effect making them look unnatural (not on smooth color)
This to an extent of making me want to sell the damn thing. I'm assuming it has to do with RYYB sensor. My kid ends up looking like decorated chocolate while the other one (who is on the fairer side) always comes out looking far better and natural.
But then again, Samsung sucks at snapping subjects unless they're completely still, which is next to impossible with kids.
My other gripe is not being able to switch to HDR with just a click instead of having to swim my way through the menu.
I'm hoping software fix is around the corner.
So Mr. whosetheboss comparison isn't all that wrong...his skin tone will ALWAYS be oversaturated, and I believe this is to do with the sensor.
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Finally someone will write something about this person. His tests are absolutely incorrect, I blocked him and I no longer look at his reviews
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Let me start by saying that I am not attacking his character or calling him clueless in general, but he is obviously amateur to when it comes to using Huawei's phones.
I always thought the results he gets from his P30 Pro are way off when compared to the results other reviewers get from their phones, or from the ones I get from my P30 Pro. They're always overly saturated with tons of contrast. And I never understood the reason until I watched his OP 7 Pro vs S10+ vs P30 Pro camera comparison. And as someone who had the S10+ before this phone, and with my wife still owning her S10+, I know that 8/10 times, the S10 will give you the more saturated picture, which isn't the case with Mrwhosetheboss. Then I finally found out why is this the case with his phone, as it turned out that he is using the Smooth Colors option because he thinks, and I believe based on the name of the mode, it generates less saturation while using this mode. He mentioned this twice in his review, so it's obvious he uses this mode all the time, thus why the P30 Pro in this test lost miserably to the S10 and OP 7 Pro, as the P30 Pro pictures were coming out extremely cartoonish with crushed details in the shadows as if you're using a vignette filter all over your pictures.
I believe that while Huawei are taking these so called professional reviewers on cruise trips all over Europe, they also should educate them on how to use their phones so that they won't spread misinformation to the masses without them realizing that they're doing that.
I apologize for the longass rant, and for my average English.
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Why u two rely only on him? Check more vids linus ranting Huawei all time because he is an a***ole because everything from china is s**t for him..
Best is to test device by self
he isnt boss, he is mrwhosethef*ck