Dell Venue 8 7840 Android 5.0.1 Lollipop OTA - Dell Venue

Few month ago Dell representative announced that Dell venue 7840 will receive lollipop 5.0.1 on April 21st.
Yesterday he also announced that tomorrow(today) is the day)
To my information the OTA to update to Lollipop will start tomorrow on the 21st. Be on the look out for the update.
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http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/mobile-devices/f/4585/t/19615359?pi239031352=6
Who received?

olvrick said:
Few month ago Dell representative announced that Dell venue 7840 will receive lollipop 5.0.1 on April 21st.
Yesterday he also announced that tomorrow(today) is the day)
http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/mobile-devices/f/4585/t/19615359?pi239031352=6
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Just about 10am in Round Rock and no update yet...

11:30 AM and nothing for me.

Read the last page. Unfortunately the same guy replied that said the update will not be today and that it's been delayed yet again. No new date given now. Extremely frustrating.

How is it that they already have Lollipop on their newly announced Venue 10 with the same basic hardware specs? I just hope that it being OTA truly means OTA and doesn't require me to reformat and reload all my apps/data, otherwise I might as well have used the Lollipop AOSP hack that was published here awhile back.

AxMaster007 said:
How is it that they already have Lollipop on their newly announced Venue 10 with the same basic hardware specs? I just hope that it being OTA truly means OTA and doesn't require me to reformat and reload all my apps/data, otherwise I might as well have used the Lollipop AOSP hack that was published here awhile back.
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Care to share that hack? I didn't see anything about 5.0. At this point I'll do it and start over. I'm so frustrated with Dell.

DanRyb, here's the link : http://www.unlock-bootloader.info/mp3-0/dell-venue-8-7000-6714.html. Please note that I have not personally tried it, so use at your own risk!

AxMaster007 said:
DanRyb, here's the link : http://www.unlock-bootloader.info/mp3-0/dell-venue-8-7000-6714.html. Please note that I have not personally tried it, so use at your own risk!
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This is fake

Oh yeah, I saw that one. Definitely fake. Wish it were real though lol.

I don't own this device but I'm curious why no one has yet built a ROM for any of the 6 Dell Venues that have the Unsigned Kernel image support, the 5 that are xx40 series I figured someone could of built a semi functional Android-5.x.x being all five are merrifield based soc

Just got my OTA and installing now

Yeah I'm getting some kind of update but it's soooo slow downloading. Couple of hours at best.

richB7 said:
Yeah I'm getting something but it's soooo slow downloading. Couple of hours at best.
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It may take time with all the users downloading the update at one time.

Wouldn't have thought there'd be so many people up a couple of hours ago when I started...

richB7 said:
Wouldn't have thought there'd be so many people up a couple of hours ago when I started...
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My guess people were up and waiting, someone who has already got the update could upload it for others if they wanted to, most people won't only wanting to update their own device not concerned about others.
If someone uploads it that would help, if not then wait for dell servers to free up.
Anyway good luck.

Well as opposed to the slow download, 5.0.2 is pretty snappy in use.

Is the update available to people that have rooted?

spotdog14 said:
Is the update available to people that have rooted?
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you should unroot it first to be on the safe side.

Does any one have the ota so I can patch the stock firmware to investigate rooting it?

randalldeflagg said:
you should unroot it first to be on the safe side.
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I unrooted and updated without a problem. So far I am really loving the update.

Related

Software 4.03.605.2

I've heard this came out a couple months ago, but my phone as yet to update on its own. When I try and check for an update, it says there are no updates to be found. And when I check my phone, my current software is 3.14.605.12. Anybody know how I can upgrade to the latest? Ever since I upgraded to ICS, my phone has been nothing but trouble for me, and I'm hoping if I upgrade to the latest that some of these problems might go away. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks!
HTC Rezound
Completely Stock / No mods
Android 4.0.3
Software 3.14.605.12
Verizon / USA
fcukthenet said:
I've heard this came out a couple months ago, but my phone as yet to update on its own. When I try and check for an update, it says there are no updates to be found. And when I check my phone, my current software is 3.14.605.12. Anybody know how I can upgrade to the latest? Ever since I upgraded to ICS, my phone has been nothing but trouble for me, and I'm hoping if I upgrade to the latest that some of these problems might go away. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks!
HTC Rezound
Completely Stock / No mods
Android 4.0.3
Software 3.14.605.12
Verizon / USA
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Here is the link to the global update: http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...ull-ruu-build-4-03-605-2-for-the-htc-rezound/ Lucky for you, since you haven't unlocked you bootloader or done anything otherwise, you can flash this in your bootloader and get the update with no problem.
Two notes on flashing that...first it's unofficial, so flashing it might risk your ability to get OTA's in the future. Second, it will wipe your data, apps, and internal storage. However, with those two caveats, it will work just fine.
I appreciate the input guys. However, both of you state I need to "flash" to do this - which looks to me (as stated above) it's an unofficial method of getting this update. I'm curious, is there a way I can do this a legit way? How come my phone did not take the update, while others did? How can I force my phone to update? I'd like to keep my phone as stock as possible and not do any modding to it.
If I really have no other options, then I guess flashing is my best bet. And considering the last phone I had that I took any time to mod was the first-gen iPhone, I have no clue what any of this lingo means - but I guess that's what Google is for. However if any of you have a quick link in mind you could post that might help me or at least point me in the right direction, it'd be appreciated. I looked at the link posted above to the actual ROM file and it has some simple install instructions, however I'm not sure if that's all I need to do considering I'm still fully stock. Thanks again guys for all your help.
fcukthenet said:
I appreciate the input guys. However, both of you state I need to "flash" to do this - which looks to me (as stated above) it's an unofficial method of getting this update. I'm curious, is there a way I can do this a legit way? How come my phone did not take the update, while others did? How can I force my phone to update? I'd like to keep my phone as stock as possible and not do any modding to it.
If I really have no other options, then I guess flashing is my best bet. And considering the last phone I had that I took any time to mod was the first-gen iPhone, I have no clue what any of this lingo means - but I guess that's what Google is for. However if any of you have a quick link in mind you could post that might help me or at least point me in the right direction, it'd be appreciated. I looked at the link posted above to the actual ROM file and it has some simple install instructions, however I'm not sure if that's all I need to do considering I'm still fully stock. Thanks again guys for all your help.
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your phone is up to date! like they said above and the global is unofficial, therefore putting the global ruu on your phone would be the latest!
fcukthenet said:
I've heard this came out a couple months ago, but my phone as yet to update on its own. When I try and check for an update, it says there are no updates to be found. And when I check my phone, my current software is 3.14.605.12. Anybody know how I can upgrade to the latest? Ever since I upgraded to ICS, my phone has been nothing but trouble for me, and I'm hoping if I upgrade to the latest that some of these problems might go away. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks!
HTC Rezound
Completely Stock / No mods
Android 4.0.3
Software 3.14.605.12
Verizon / USA
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Run the 4.03.605.2 RUU. Let it boot 1 time, then wipe and install shrike's CounterShrike CM9 ROM. It's seriously a great ROM and super smooth in comparison to stock. Basically, what this phone should have been from day 1.
abrego47 said:
your phone is up to date! like they said above and the global is unofficial, therefore putting the global ruu on your phone would be the latest!
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My apologies, but I don't quite understand. You're saying my phone is up to date with the 3.14.x.x software, and the 4.03.x.x that I'm looking for is actually some "custom" ROM and unofficial?
fcukthenet said:
My apologies, but I don't quite understand. My phone is up to date with the 3.14.x.x software, and the 4.03.x.x that I'm looking for is actually some "custom" ROM and unofficial?
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think of it like getting a Blu-Ray Movie Early. They say when the Blu-ray should be released but some guys who know people can get an Early Copy but modify it to make it Better than its original Release. And this is all totally legal.
funnyangrykid said:
think of it like getting a Blu-Ray Movie Early. They say when the Blu-ray should be released but some guys who know people can get an Early Copy but modify it to make it Better than its original Release. And this is all totally legal.
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So this 4.03.x.x is just not out yet? I've been seeing news articles of them reporting on it as far back as August. Has it just not rolled out to every phone yet? If not, then I will continue to wait. I just thought my phone was messed up and wouldn't take the update.
fcukthenet said:
So this 4.03.x.x is just not out yet? I've been seeing news articles of them reporting on it as far back as August. Has it just not rolled out to every phone yet? If not, then I will continue to wait. I just thought my phone was messed up and wouldn't take the update.
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But waiting on Verizon to Roll out the Update will take a loooonng time. but Sites have the Latest (Unofficial)Build. Unofficial is kind of like Alpha, and Beta. Unofficial is inbetween Alpha n Beta.
It basically gives u global function so if your not going to other countries don't even worry about it. I promise if u take the time to figure everything out and flash it you won't be able to tell a difference. Just skip it
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fcukthenet said:
So this 4.03.x.x is just not out yet? I've been seeing news articles of them reporting on it as far back as August. Has it just not rolled out to every phone yet? If not, then I will continue to wait. I just thought my phone was messed up and wouldn't take the update.
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A few people got 4.03.605.1 a week or two after the 3.14.605.12 OTA, but they never mass rolled it out. I know of one person on XDA who got it as an OTA. 4.03.605.2 surfaced a few days later on Android Police, but I haven't heard of anyone getting it as an OTA, and there hasn't been a peep out of Verizon on it.
shrike1978 said:
A few people got 4.03.605.1 a week or two after the 3.14.605.12 OTA, but they never mass rolled it out. I know of one person on XDA who got it as an OTA. 4.03.605.2 surfaced a few days later on Android Police, but I haven't heard of anyone getting it as an OTA, and there hasn't been a peep out of Verizon on it.
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Awesome, just what I needed to know. I will just be patient then. Thanks!
Yep, basically the only reason why the global update ever made it to light is because the manufacturers like HTC like to "splash test" on a few customers, let them report back bugs and what not, at this point if there aren't any bugs or the bugs that are present are workable, they will release the update in mass to the rest of the public.
Basically, a splash tester knew what they were doing, whipped together that nice little "flashable" ruu package and released it for the rest of us to hack up for our own uses. Usually, we look forward to these little splash test releases because they do contain newer bug fixes, but they also contain new kernels, libs and other useful things we need to continue making roms like aosp or sense 4 work better
I'd say if you want it, go ahead and flash it. Its just not official as they say because it did not arrive onto your phone via ota update directly from htc and verizon. Although it is an official build built by htc.

Good news..knock code for ATT..

I check everyday and found this link so i guess its now rolling out...knock code,immersive apps,performanc in browser etc
http://www.mobileburn.com/22752/news/lg-g2-android-44-kitkat-update-rolling-out-now-to-att...
UPDATE!!! The thread provided was edited by author because knock code was not in the update. It is a month old displaying the kk update we had on 2.23.13. All we can do is hope the newest update is released for our carrier(ATT)soon.
Has anyone gotten it yet? Im on cm11 so i cant know as of right now.
podagee said:
Has anyone gotten it yet? Im on cm11 so i cant know as of right now.
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The KitKat update from AT&T has been out for a month or so now..
btm fdr said:
The KitKat update from AT&T has been out for a month or so now..
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I know that but have you read the article? Its to do with knock code
Well this was expected sooner or later since F320L got update with Knock Code and Immersive mode. As it was when the kitkat update was rolling out, D800 first got it, then D801, and then D802 International version. Hope D802 get's it soon, because I don't want put any custom ROM to get Immersive mode
podagee said:
I know that but have you read the article? Its to do with knock code
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Maybe the article was intended to point out an upcoming update to the already released KitKat update? I see what you're saying tho.
well i cant even get the 5.9mb update. it keeps saying cannot update????????????
btm fdr said:
Maybe the article was intended to point out an upcoming update to the already released KitKat update? I see what you're saying tho.
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yep.
i really hope things get worked out cause i actually kind of am not liking stock LG kitkat
podagee said:
well i cant even get the 5.9mb update. it keeps saying cannot update????????????
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Are you rooted or is your phone in any way modified?
robogo1982 said:
Are you rooted or is your phone in any way modified?
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nope. went back to completely stock. after 3 or 4 factory resets and live chat with ATT i tried a last factory reset and checked it with data on not wifi. it showed the update so i connected to wifi, and i got it.
it seemed to only work without doing the gmail account and stuff. weird??
but on a different note, it hasnt been released yet. so ill be remaining stock for the update whuch should be happening very soon i hope....
LG France has revealed that there is update to be expected for D802 which fixes hissing sound in earplugs, however no information about knock code though.
Since my phone is damaged and touchscreen isn't functioning, Knock-Code isn't my interest anymore but wish you guys enjoy it.
bl0wndiff said:
Well this was expected sooner or later since F320L got update with Knock Code and Immersive mode. As it was when the kitkat update was rolling out, D800 first got it, then D801, and then D802 International version. Hope D802 get's it soon, because I don't want put any custom ROM to get Immersive mode
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All phones with KitKat already has support for Immersive Mode.
wargreymon89 said:
All phones with KitKat already has support for Immersive Mode.
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I think that he is talking about the LG implementation included in the Korean version which lets you choose to enable immersive mode in any app.
is anyone reading the article?
its stating that ATT is promising us more with performance and battery life. knock code is part of the update.please read the link in the op
If you believe what ATT promising things, especially "better battery", you will be very disappointed.
podagee said:
is anyone reading the article?
its stating that ATT is promising us more with performance and battery life. knock code is part of the update.please read the link in the op
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I feel like the person that wrote that article might be misinformed because I checked the att and there is still no update with knock code I expect it for around may/june
XxZombiePikachu said:
I feel like the person that wrote that article might be misinformed because I checked the att and there is still no update with knock code I expect it for around may/june
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Yes as i posted above i have confirmed that there is no update as of yet. Hopefully it will be happening soon. Its okay cause i needed to return to atock unrooted. Actually enjoying it now with no issues that i was having previously
Good news but for Vodafone Spain and they already realease an update 20b and Knock Code works like a charm. No Bluetooth bug and no Hising noise! =)
Edit: if you root it knock code still works, but when you install the recovery with autorec knock code doesn't work properly. And also we lose the feature knock on.
Also when I flashed it via pc I couldn't do a hard.reset with the.combo buttons. So I did it.via settings.
Cheers
iall5tar said:
Good news but for Vodafone Spain and they already realease an update 20b and Knock Code works like a charm. No Bluetooth bug and no Hising noise! =)
Edit: if you root it knock code still works, but when you install the recovery with autorec knock code doesn't work properly.
Also when I flashed it via pc I couldn't do a hard.reset with the.combo buttons. So I did it.via settings.
Cheers
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thanks for the info

Lollipop

Saw this yesterday. I did not see any other posts about it, so I figured I would share!
http://www.androidcentral.com/lollipop-preview-galaxy-note-3-gives-us-taste-whats-come
We'll have to see! I skipped KitKat - didn't see what it offered that I don't have and am fully happy with on JB. But I'm aching for Lollipop, though I've already heard it's got some terrible redraw issues going on. Then again, I hear 5.0.1 dropped just the other day, so maybe that's already been addressed.
Thanks for the heads up about it! Maybe the Note 3 will see some Lollipop action after all!
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We'll have to see! I skipped KitKat - didn't see what it offered that I don't have and am fully happy with on JB. But I'm aching for Lollipop, though I've already heard it's got some terrible redraw issues going on. Then again, I hear 5.0.1 dropped just the other day, so maybe that's already been addressed.
Thanks for the heads up about it! Maybe the Note 3 will see some Lollipop action after all!
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Ive been running CM12 on my Note 10.1 and love lollipop but really miss my s-pen features already. I think it will be a great combo when we get this.
I am beginning to think myself that I may be on of the first to be getting the lollipop update but I am under no circumstances going ota because I want to wait to see if someone finds a way I can update to lollipop and keep my root.
Sam Here. Got the ota update notification this morning. Want to make sure I can root again.
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if you want to disable the ota notification use this it worked for me this morning http://forums.androidcentral.com/ve...nently-prevent-note-2-ota-updating-4-3-a.html
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Sam Here. Got the ota update notification this morning. Want to make sure I can root again.
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You probably got 4.4.4 NK1 update notification
this actually worked
NoobHTCEVOShiftGuy said:
if you want to disable the ota notification use this it worked for me this morning http://forums.androidcentral.com/ve...nently-prevent-note-2-ota-updating-4-3-a.html
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Just to confirm... this works on Note 3!
jaimanny said:
Just to confirm... this works on Note 3!
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Yes it works on mine
drewcam888 said:
You probably got 4.4.4 NK1 update notification
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just checked my phone and im currently on 4.4.2 so im guessing the OTA is prolly the 4.4.4 update
Yes

Nexus 6P - System Update - OTA - MDA89D to MDB08K

Just had a notice on my phone for a 45.5 Mb OTA update.
It is the MDA89D to MDB08K update, will see if I can get links from logcat etc.
https://android.googleapis.com/pack...519ae31a.signed-angler-MDB08K-from-MDA89D.zip
Is it the K revision?
htowngator said:
Is it the K revision?
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It is still updating, should only be a few more minutes, will post more information when it is done
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It is still updating, should only be a few more minutes, will post more information when it is done
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Oh, it usually tells you when it asks to update.
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Oh, it usually tells you when it asks to update.
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It did not unfortunately, it just said System Update and no details. Anyway it has done and now optimising apps etc, so should not be much longer then can see if any revision changes etc
I've not noticed any changes since updating - other than a newer kernel build (8/10). The camera app still seems quite buggy - that's the only issue I've experienced so far so can't really comment on anything else.
Tung_meister said:
I've not noticed any changes since updating - other than a newer kernel build (8/10). The camera app still seems quite buggy - that's the only issue I've experienced so far so can't really comment on anything else.
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Your camera app too? FFC seems a bit shifty, the back camera seems fine. SlowMo video seems to freeze up though at times. Also is your front facing camera fairly blurry on taking photos? Mine is.
The message was non descriptive
joedeveloper said:
Your camera app too? FFC seems a bit shifty, the back camera seems fine. SlowMo video seems to freeze up though at times. Also is your front facing camera fairly blurry on taking photos? Mine is.
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It's mainly SlowMo videos that struggle - sometimes they crash the camera app or don't play back correctly. My front facer is perfect, I'm really impressed with it.
Possibly one of those monthly security patches? I hope they release images for each one cause I haven't taken an OTA since... *thinks*... *thinks harder* Holy crap, I don't think I've ever taken an OTA.
Legit, I was in Verizon aka no update land from LG chocolate to droid after droid to Galaxy S3 all of which on cm and rooted etc. Since I've had MotoX 1 and Nexus 5 and 6 in T-Mobile, all rooted stock various kernels. Fastboot FTW.
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SymbioticGenius said:
Possibly one of those monthly security patches? I hope they release images for each one cause I haven't taken an OTA since... *thinks*... *thinks harder* Holy crap, I don't think I've ever taken an OTA.
Legit, I was in Verizon aka no update land from LG chocolate to droid after droid to Galaxy S3 all of which on cm and rooted etc. Since I've had MotoX 1 and Nexus 5 and 6 in T-Mobile, all rooted stock various kernels. Fastboot FTW.
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It isn't... I applied the OTA and the monthly security patch is still October.
I would really appreciate it if someone could pull the OTA. On my 6P's first boot it downloaded the OTA right away. But when I went to install it it never rebooted or installed. Thanks in advance.
rdoane said:
I would really appreciate it if someone could pull the OTA. On my 6P's first boot it downloaded the OTA right away. But when I went to install it it never rebooted or installed. Thanks in advance.
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Same issue here. I'm wondering if they pulled the update.
I got mine last night, took a while
I must say although the UI is very snappy, anything involving app updates seems to take forever. Anyone else think this?
No update yet device from EE,its running pure android no EE in sight
is it done via IEM number
combat goofwing said:
No update yet device from EE,its running pure android no EE in sight
is it done via IEM number
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The update should come from Google.
I would pull the update. But huawei seems to not want to ship my order still.
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I would of pulled it last night but like most it was already ready to install before i even finished configuring my phone.
It cannot be declined?
I just had my phone update as well crazy how quick they were on it

Android 10 Update thread.

Looks like users are recieving Androit 10 OTA update in RETBR update channel. Build nr QPK30.51.
This could be beta, but it looks like not only MFN registered customers are getting the update.
Meantime, I saw that EURO RETAIL got PIE december patch update so I'm not sure what's going on.
Please fill me in if you have more info, if you recieved the update, or just want to talk about the update, Android 10 bugs, or whatever.
In short, Everything about Android 10 for deen
Download March security patch: DEEN_QPKS30.54-22-4_cid50_subsidy-DEFAULT_regulatory-DEFAULT_CFC.xml.zip
tys0n said:
Looks like users are recieving Androit 10 OTA update in RETBR update channel. Build nr QPK30.51.
This could be beta, but it looks like not only MFN registered customers are getting the update.
Meantime, I saw that EURO RETAIL got PIE december patch update so I'm not sure what's going on.
Please fill me in if you have more info, if you recieved the update, or just want to talk about the update, Android 10 bugs, or whatever.
In short, Everything about Android 10 for deen
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My Motorola one (RETBR) is active in mfn and not receive Android 10 update, yesterday received december patch of Android Pie.
Same here. I am in the retbr channel but didn't receive the Android 10 update, only the December Security Patch.
Ok, I guess we can say for sure that it's a beta rollout then.
Still nice to know that it's in testing.
do you have pictures of the beta?
Flitz0101 said:
do you have pictures of the beta?
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Nope, I haven't received it myself.
There was a few screenshots shared in the telegram group though.
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you can post the pictures ?
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you can post the pictures ?
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Yep here are somr pictures even i think its still beta because of sometimes i m facing problem installing some modified apk's and apk editors, after all everyyhings working fine
arundhiman said:
Yep here are somr pictures even i think its still beta because of sometimes i m facing problem installing some modified apk's and apk editors, after all everyyhings working fine
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But is One Power, not this model
luisjoseb said:
But is One Power, not this model
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This is correct for this phone
luisjoseb said:
This is correct for this phone
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Um screenshots have resolution 1080p+ while this phone have 720+ do IT is definitely a Motorola One Power
what's new from update Android 10 / Beta
Nothing?
BORNIOS said:
Nothing?
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I've just received January security patch, so yeah, still nothing, at least for OPENEU .
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I've just received January security patch, so yeah, still nothing, at least for OPENEU .
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Same thing here.
when?????
Good question. Beta program have been going on for quite some time now.
I wonder what's taking so long for Moto..
they just sent me another 9 security patch, I'm starting to think there will be no android 10 update for us.
Yup, just a security patch. I recently bought this phone in a hurry, and in my previous investigation I read somewhere the Motorola One would receive Android 10 at the second quarter of 2020, so I guess we'll have to wait. The Motorola Brazil reps said in Twitter there will be news for our device "pretty soon", but I guess that's just their standard answer.

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