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Hi folks,
How are you getting on with your S2, still happy, any buyers remorse?
Is the camera pink spot still an issue?
I'm contemplating buying the S2 or possibly the HTC Sensation, but I'm leaning slightly more towards the Samsung at the moment. I've had a HTC Desire which was great but I've just returned my 3rd HTC Incredible S due to poor phone signal issues. I do very much like the Sense interface and that's making my decision a little difficult.
Love my sgs 2. So yea still very pleased and prob will for a long time.
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Best phone I have ever had to be honest. Came over from a BlackBerry 2 months ago, best decision ever...
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love my device, hate the battery life and heat problems. Dont know yet if it was a good idea to leave iPhone
Battery life compared to the iPhone? How long does your battery last now?
With my previous Android phones I'd get a days usage, I had JuiceDefender installed though.
No remorse at all. Had mine over a week now. Don't notice this much talked about pink spot? Battery life is about the same as my previous 5 android devices! Samsung do an official larger battery which is nice if you need it. Can't wait for Ice Cream Sandwich with touchwiz!
Always loved htc sense but this touchwiz lark is pretty good. Just wish it had 2 things, alphabetical app draw and setting for default homescreen.
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tsouts said:
love my device, hate the battery life and heat problems. Dont know yet if it was a good idea to leave iPhone
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LOL you clearly haven't read up properly on this forum, battery life is brilliant if you know what to do.
Best phone ever, worth the money for sure
Yup, it's been several months and I love this phone! (Unlike many other phones I've owned in the past) Go ahead and buy it - we're sure you won't have any regrets.
you can have my one....selling it to get the iphone 4s best damn phone ever man..galaxy s2 horrible yuk
I suggest you absolutely do not get a Sensation. Mine went back to the repair centre 3 times with dust under the screen. The build feels hefty but the actual hardware - from the screen to the camera to the cellular transmitter to the loudspeaker - is inferior. The only thing with the S2 is that it doesn't feel as substantial in the hand; though the S2 form factor certainly makes it easier to text on in my opinion. I have also ordered an iPhone 4S. Three in fact. Have you SEEN how much these things go for on eBay when they sell out?
Yes! Yes!! Yes!!!...oh god give it to me> oh yes!!!!
leoni1980 said:
I suggest you absolutely do not get a Sensation. Mine went back to the repair centre 3 times with dust under the screen. The build feels hefty but the actual hardware - from the screen to the camera to the cellular transmitter to the loudspeaker - is inferior. The only thing with the S2 is that it doesn't feel as substantial in the hand; though the S2 form factor certainly makes it easier to text on in my opinion. I have also ordered an iPhone 4S. Three in fact. Have you SEEN how much these things go for on eBay when they sell out?
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It's a shame that HTC seem to be losing their way a little as far as quality is concerned, the Antenna issue that I had on my Incredible S appears to affect the Sensation too.
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It's a shame that HTC seem to be losing their way a little as far as quality is concerned, the Antenna issue that I had on my Incredible S appears to affect the Sensation too.
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They don't seem to have much concern for product longevity and they take too many design punts which evidently have potentially catastrophic repercussions. They also release FAR too many devices per year. It completely cheapens the brand. No one makes the consumer feel more confident in their purchase than Apple. You KNOW you will get great product support and you KNOW your phone wont be out of date and forgotten about in six months. At least Samsung tend to stick to a flagship phone for about a year. I just don't know why HTC can't make a decent phone with great tech and stick with it. It's like they're constantly on the run rather than constantly trying to improve.
tsouts said:
love my device, hate the battery life and heat problem
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Same here...battery life doesn't bother me so much because there's usually a charging option close by, but it hits 50 - 55 degrees when GPS and car charging....not cool (if you'll excuse the pun)
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if mine broke and i could choose any phone out there to replace it i would go for the sgs2 all over again and thats 4-5 months of ownership
battery life is excellent for a smartphone with these features , hardware is pretty future proofed for a while (1gb ram / high end cpu/gpu / great screen / etc etc) software is stable / dev support is excellent / apps and game support is pretty decent /
yep defo love my sgs2
I love my galaxy s2 more now than I did when I first got it, recent updates mean the android os bug has gone and the yellow tint has disappeared. I'm getting just as much bettery life as I did with my iphone 4.
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The only thing that would make me change this device for an iPhone would be a free iphone + free money + a free car.
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I suggest you absolutely do not get a Sensation. Mine went back to the repair centre 3 times with dust under the screen. The build feels hefty but the actual hardware - from the screen to the camera to the cellular transmitter to the loudspeaker - is inferior. The only thing with the S2 is that it doesn't feel as substantial in the hand; though the S2 form factor certainly makes it easier to text on in my opinion. I have also ordered an iPhone 4S. Three in fact. Have you SEEN how much these things go for on eBay when they sell out?
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Sorry I disagree with the sensation being inferior, I sold my SG2, it was ok, quick, but I didn't like the screen, I prefer the qhd on the sensation and its just as fast, you won't notice much difference when using them any way and it does feel much better in the hand. But there has been issues with dust under the screen on a lot of the devices.
In the end its down to personal choice
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They don't seem to have much concern for product longevity and they take too many design punts which evidently have potentially catastrophic repercussions. They also release FAR too many devices per year. It completely cheapens the brand. No one makes the consumer feel more confident in their purchase than Apple. You KNOW you will get great product support and you KNOW your phone wont be out of date and forgotten about in six months. At least Samsung tend to stick to a flagship phone for about a year. I just don't know why HTC can't make a decent phone with great tech and stick with it. It's like they're constantly on the run rather than constantly trying to improve.
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Can't agree there, i had an EVO 4G before, and i had to leave it just to get a dual-core phone (and the super amoled+ is certainly a +) so here i am, but the quality of the evo was great, first 4G, among the first 4.3 inch, kickstand, amazing gps, only drawback as with most androids was the battery and solved with a 2000 mah battery, i sold it after more than a year with no problems at all.
I am still within the window of returning my G Note (which i love except for a few things) and possibly getting a SGS3.
I really like the GNote and the massive screen, the extra real state is really nice! I am on AT&T and really like the idea of the HSPA network backup to the not yet present LTE here in South Florida. I am getting avg between 4-6 mbps DL.
NOTE (AT&T):
Likes:
* HSPA Network on AT&T
* Screen Size
* S-Pen (I actually use the thing)
Dislikes:
* LAG!!! It's minimized using TW, but any other launcher seems to slow it down. Over all it sometimes does not feel as responsive as expected from the specs.
* No OC on ICS (might be wrong here)
* Potential for less Dev support once SGS3 comes out.
SGS3 (VZW):
Likes:
* Camera...I have toddler at home and a quick camera would be great (this is my biggest factor for considering this phone)
* Power...this things seems like a beast!!!
* form factor
* ICS, although I am not as concerned about software bcs it's a matter of porting by one these great devs in XDA.
Dislike:
* Smaller Screen
* Slow 3G speeds when not on LTE area about 50% of time!
Any thoughts that might help me rationalize this decision is greatly appreciate it!
Thank you!
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Dislikes:
* LAG!!! It's minimized using TW, but any other launcher seems to slow it down. Over all it sometimes does not feel as responsive as expected from the specs.
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Is lag only in the launchers? If so, try Launcher Pro. No perceptible lag for me.
Good luck figuring this out, it's a tight race between these 2 devices.
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Is lag only in the launchers? If so, try Launcher Pro. No perceptible lag for me.
Good luck figuring this out, it's a tight race between these 2 devices.
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No, it's not limited to Launchers, but they do affect normal navigation. I had ran GO, ADW EX, and Holo....and Holo being the "fastest". I just installed Go Ex and it's really fast. I think it more to do with one the widgets that I was running.
But lag can be seen while unlocking, but I hear that the SGS3 is the same...something to do with deep sleep that Samsung uses. It can also be seen while playing some games like Angry Birds. It ran kind of choppy on my old htc Vision(G2) Oc'd @ 1.2 Ghz, but the Note sometimes shows that choppiness too.
One thing that also concerns me is that the RAM is ually running at 65%-75% capacity anyone else?
I can't decide either. My problem is that I have would have to return my note before ever seeing the gs3. I sold my international note for the one x and didn't like that phone so I would probably regret trading for the gs3 as well. Once you get used to the screen on the note its hard to downgrade. Believe me when I say that the note's screen looks way better than the one x, even the guy at Walmart's at&t store agreed with me. Hopefully when we get a kernel source it will speed up our notes, although my note isn't that bad now.
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First and foremost determine what you need in a phone, do you need the Horsepower of a quad core? Most apps aren't designed to work with the quad cores and I would believe that the support of them in ICS is kind of like windows, yes they will use them, but will it use them effectively? Do you want the screen or the camera more? I know for my needs I prefer the screen and the camera is plenty quick enough for what I do, but I don't have kids. As for lag, if it's really that bad, I'd exchange it for another. I only saw lag on my phone after I had launched 20 or 25 apps, running tons of widgets and hadn't shut my phone down in 3 weeks.
So in the end, the trade off is what will you utilize more and what would be best for you. I for one wouldn't trade my note for anything, but again I came from a streak and make full use of my very large screen and not the camera so much. Not to mention, you could wait to get the S3, get it, and in a year they'll probably release a phone that has 3.2GHz quad cores with brand new LTE system that's 10x faster than what we have now.
Technology has always grown faster than we can keep up with, the real question is, how long will you wait to get the latest and greatest? That's the reason why I haven't upgraded my home PC. There's always a new CPU coming out with a new form factor, or the next best graphics card is going to be released in a month or two. My current logic with it now is, hey it works, it works well, I'll keep it until it doesn't suit my needs anymore.
Just my thoughts on it.
Apex launcher is the best launcher for the note no lag on my end. I couldn't see myself going to a smaller screen. My hands fit the phone perfect.
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I will share my views with my days with the ATT Note. If you are running stock ROM..it was a HORRIBLE experience. I had my Captivate at the time and it was super smooth compared to the ATT Note stock.
If you are cool changing ROMS, which I think you are since you are here, I would expect it to be a lot better.
As for the dev on the ATT one dying after the GS3 comes out...well , unless you are buying an international GS3, I wont expect the dev for it to be that huge either compared to the international version but this is just a guess.
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lyall29 said:
I can't decide either. My problem is that I have would have to return my note before ever seeing the gs3....
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This is exactly my concern.....Yes it might be all that, as the hox was when it came out, but after I played with it for a bit I was not convinced and actually opted for the GNote instead despite the additional $70 that it cost me.
I guess I like to be a s bleeding edge as possible, being that at the speed of industry... in two years, by the time my contract is over, there will be 6.8Ghz eight core, 0.5 TB solid state drive phones with 21MP cameras that wipe my butt too.... But reality is that it might be overkill.
The other thing that attracts me to the SGS# is that finally an Android phone will have as many accessories as an iPhone given the number of pre-sales, and the fact that it will be the flag-ship device for the 5 major carriers in the US/Canada. I am tired of walking into a best buy and see 90 different cases for the iPhone and, if I'm lucky, finding the $hitty Speck case for my Note lol.
Lastly, my other concer is that in order to get the SGS3 I would have to go from AT&T to VZW, and I am not convinced at all of going from lightning fast VZW LTE to crawling speed 3g EV-DO signal. It is reliable in the area, but LTE does not reach 50% of my territory.
I guess I'm going to keep the GNote, root it and wait for a kernel to break 2.0 Ghz blazing fast phone. I have read a few reviews that measure web processing throughput and the Note beats the SGS3 in the benchmark. Also some of the ROMs available have been tweaked to improve DL perfromance quite drastically.
The camera is pretty snappy too....It seems to take long, but when the picture is revealed it look amazing!
Alrighty, a couple of things to keep in mind.
1. While most apps arent designed to utilize quad cores, this isnt likely to stay that way for long. Since quadcores are fairly new and Android app developers can actually update their apps without some sort of approval process, expect support to happen fairly quickly.
2. The SG3 has a stylus too.
3. ICS will be available for the Note probably in the next month or so. The latest rumour is July 13th. It was delayed 2 weeks because Samsung was fixing a kernel bug that caused the international Note to hard brick when flashing ICS roms.
4. The stock apps are interchangeable. The apps on the Note are available for the SG3 and the SG3 apps are available to put on the Note (this will become easier once ICS is official on the Note).
5. While yes, the Note is bigger, it isnt by much.
Now that Ive addressed those points, I want to talk about ram usage and lag.
The very first thing I am going to recommend is a simple factory reset. Strange as it may be, my Note had nothing but problems first day I had it. I should interject here, my Note was brand new, NOT a refurb. I had only installed a few of my own apps (Audible, BeyondPod, Go Launcher, Beautiful Widgets, and Widget Locker) and had NOT (and still havent in fact) rooted it. I also updated as many of the stock apps manually from the market as I could find since I noticed the stock apps were not linked to the market. And apps began force closing left and right, battery was dead within 6 hours of just streaming audio over bluetooth (hardly any screen time), poor performance, etc. Before I returned it, I did a factory reset and it has been running great since (on probably month 3 now of having it, I bought it very shortly after it came out in the states).
Strangely enough, my brothers Samsung GNexus had poor network performance out of the box, we did a factory reset WHILE driving home with his brand new phone (we drove 2.5 hours to pick up his phone so we had the time) and since then, it has been working fine since.
Ram usage is normal for it to be in the 75% range. Android works a bit differently than Windows and their is no negative to high ram usage TO A POINT. Ram usage exceeding at or exceeding 90% however would be troubling and actually cause poor, laggy performance but under 90% is fine. I dont want to go into the details here but a quick Google search, difference between windows and linux ram usage, might be beneficial.
Finally, my raw opinion, the SG3 is the better phone. The screen is better (albeit smaller), slightly faster, etc. Software differences are a moot point since all of that will be changed in a month when ICS is official for the Note and you can just install software from the phone you DONT have on the phone you DO have. Source code has been released for the Note and the SG3 so we may actually begin seeing some decent rom development begin to happen here in the coming weeks for both phones. What I would say is this, if you want a better quality screen and a slightly faster phone spec wise, go with the SG3. If you want the bigger screen, stick with the Note. Personally, I prefer the screen size and since I spent money on an extended battery for the Note (the Mugen 5400 mah), I wont be switching phones any time soon.
I guess the only thing that bugs me with the at&t note is opening apps. When I had the international note it was twice as fast at opening apps and the international gs2 was even faster. The app I use the most is cash flow for my check register. It takes almost 5 seconds to open with the at&t note and like 1.5 seconds with the gs2. I know I'm being picky but I like things to be fast. The HTC one x to me, was even slower than my gs2. Maybe because of the sense UI, but that's what scares me about the gs3 seeing how it has the same processor as the one x. Maybe I need to be content with what I have and quit wanting all the latest and greatest. After all this worrying I'll probably still get the gs3.
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Alrighty, a couple of things to keep in mind.
1. While most apps arent designed to utilize quad cores, this isnt likely to stay that way for long. Since quadcores are fairly new and Android app developers can actually update their apps without some sort of approval process, expect support to happen fairly quickly.
2. The SG3 has a stylus too.
3. ICS will be available for the Note probably in the next month or so. The latest rumour is July 13th. It was delayed 2 weeks because Samsung was fixing a kernel bug that caused the international Note to hard brick when flashing ICS roms.
4. The stock apps are interchangeable. The apps on the Note are available for the SG3 and the SG3 apps are available to put on the Note (this will become easier once ICS is official on the Note).
5. While yes, the Note is bigger, it isnt by much.
Now that Ive addressed those points, I want to talk about ram usage and lag.
The very first thing I am going to recommend is a simple factory reset. Strange as it may be, my Note had nothing but problems first day I had it. I should interject here, my Note was brand new, NOT a refurb. I had only installed a few of my own apps (Audible, BeyondPod, Go Launcher, Beautiful Widgets, and Widget Locker) and had NOT (and still havent in fact) rooted it. I also updated as many of the stock apps manually from the market as I could find since I noticed the stock apps were not linked to the market. And apps began force closing left and right, battery was dead within 6 hours of just streaming audio over bluetooth (hardly any screen time), poor performance, etc. Before I returned it, I did a factory reset and it has been running great since (on probably month 3 now of having it, I bought it very shortly after it came out in the states).
Strangely enough, my brothers Samsung GNexus had poor network performance out of the box, we did a factory reset WHILE driving home with his brand new phone (we drove 2.5 hours to pick up his phone so we had the time) and since then, it has been working fine since.
Ram usage is normal for it to be in the 75% range. Android works a bit differently than Windows and their is no negative to high ram usage TO A POINT. Ram usage exceeding at or exceeding 90% however would be troubling and actually cause poor, laggy performance but under 90% is fine. I dont want to go into the details here but a quick Google search, difference between windows and linux ram usage, might be beneficial.
Finally, my raw opinion, the SG3 is the better phone. The screen is better (albeit smaller), slightly faster, etc. Software differences are a moot point since all of that will be changed in a month when ICS is official for the Note and you can just install software from the phone you DONT have on the phone you DO have. Source code has been released for the Note and the SG3 so we may actually begin seeing some decent rom development begin to happen here in the coming weeks for both phones. What I would say is this, if you want a better quality screen and a slightly faster phone spec wise, go with the SG3. If you want the bigger screen, stick with the Note. Personally, I prefer the screen size and since I spent money on an extended battery for the Note (the Mugen 5400 mah), I wont be switching phones any time soon.
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Littleweirdo ...thanks for the explanation and opinion. I share much of what you are saying regarding the SGS3, and I think dollar for dollar the SGS3 is far more powerful than the Note. I looked at our bill, and with the new plans that VZW is pushing out on June 28th, we would actually save about $32 a month from our phone bill (which allone is an enticing reason to change). My concern is the LTE to 3G connectivity of the VZW network...not sure if that is a strong enough argument not to change to VZW. Something can be said about the quality of the VZW network that does, in a way, outweigh sheer DL speeds.
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I guess the only thing that bugs me with the at&t note is opening apps. When I had the international note it was twice as fast at opening apps and the international gs2 was even faster. The app I use the most is cash flow for my check register. It takes almost 5 seconds to open with the at&t note and like 1.5 seconds with the gs2. I know I'm being picky but I like things to be fast. The HTC one x to me, was even slower than my gs2. Maybe because of the sense UI, but that's what scares me about the gs3 seeing how it has the same processor as the one x. Maybe I need to be content with what I have and quit wanting all the latest and greatest. After all this worrying I'll probably still get the gs3.
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My concern with dropping my Note for the SGS3 sight-unseen is that the SGS3 will not meet my expectations based on the hype.
This is the most annoying cellular phone decision (purchase) I have ever done!! LOL!
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Thanks lufc, hadn't realized that I wasn't in Q&A. :
Well I bit the bullet..... I switched to VZW. Specs wise the sgs3 seems to be superior, but push come to shove, a $35 a month savings with unlimited voice and text and 4gb gigs once the new pricing plans kick in at the end of the month.
I will miss the huge screen and te s- pen. And I might regret it, but I had to do it from a logical perspective.
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Littleweirdo ...thanks for the explanation and opinion. I share much of what you are saying regarding the SGS3, and I think dollar for dollar the SGS3 is far more powerful than the Note. I looked at our bill, and with the new plans that VZW is pushing out on June 28th, we would actually save about $32 a month from our phone bill (which allone is an enticing reason to change). My concern is the LTE to 3G connectivity of the VZW network...not sure if that is a strong enough argument not to change to VZW. Something can be said about the quality of the VZW network that does, in a way, outweigh sheer DL speeds.
My concern with dropping my Note for the SGS3 sight-unseen is that the SGS3 will not meet my expectations based on the hype.
This is the most annoying cellular phone decision (purchase) I have ever done!! LOL!
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Ok, Im not a fanboy by any stretch of the imagination. BUT, Samsung hasnt created a crappy phone since prior to the Galaxy S line of phones - I cant speak to anything prior to that because I never owned a Samsung phone prior to the Captivate. They have proven that they are ready to play with the big boys, they are even taking on a certain fruit company in court.
Why WOULDNT the Galaxy S3 not live up to all the hype? All the tech enthusiasts love it, ask anyone who has it outside of the US, they all love it as well. I think its a fantastic device and other than a smaller screen, its an upgrade from the Note in EVERY aspect, including a much higher quality screen.
If I wasnt invested in the Note already (ie a contract & a $100 extended battery), Id be looking very seriously at the S3 because the Note is older tech. Honestly, Id be laughing at the Note's screen size (I did originally before I decided to just see if I could live with it) because hell, its big.
If Im GOING to buy a phone, Im going to get the latest tech because I know that living with a phone for two years is going to be painful during the last 6 months of the contract.
Although I dont see myself wanting to upgrade my phone after two years due to the limited things I actually USE my phone for (podcasts, audiobooks from Audible, driving directions and checking for app updates for the 15 or so apps I have installed), my Note is plenty adequate. Hell, I would still be using the Captivate if it hadnt died on me. It did everything the Note does for me (that I use it for that is) and it even had a MUCH better sound processor (the Note's sound processing is TERRIBLE).
I'm still curious why people talk about the sgs3 like it's a pentium 4 to the notes pentium 2. The us note is a 1.5ghz dual core, the us sgs3 is a 1.5ghz dual core. The sgs3 has more ram, which means very little when appropriate customizations can create a silky smooth experience on either device. And to top it all off, with the right optimizations in the rom and kernel, a 1ghz tegra 2 is just as smooth as these 1.5 ghz chips. My atrix was buttery smooth on cm9, my note is buttery smooth on cm9, and I'm sure the sgs3 will be buttery smooth on cm9. In my opinion, it comes down to aesthetics and screen, because everything else is a variable if you plan to flash.
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Ok, Im not a fanboy by any stretch of the imagination. BUT, Samsung hasnt created a crappy phone since prior to the Galaxy S line of phones - I cant speak to anything prior to that because I never owned a Samsung phone prior to the Captivate. They have proven that they are ready to play with the big boys, they are even taking on a certain fruit company in court.
Why WOULDNT the Galaxy S3 not live up to all the hype? All the tech enthusiasts love it, ask anyone who has it outside of the US, they all love it as well. I think its a fantastic device and other than a smaller screen, its an upgrade from the Note in EVERY aspect, including a much higher quality screen.
If I wasnt invested in the Note already (ie a contract & a $100 extended battery), Id be looking very seriously at the S3 because the Note is older tech. Honestly, Id be laughing at the Note's screen size (I did originally before I decided to just see if I could live with it) because hell, its big.
If Im GOING to buy a phone, Im going to get the latest tech because I know that living with a phone for two years is going to be painful during the last 6 months of the contract.
Although I dont see myself wanting to upgrade my phone after two years due to the limited things I actually USE my phone for (podcasts, audiobooks from Audible, driving directions and checking for app updates for the 15 or so apps I have installed), my Note is plenty adequate. Hell, I would still be using the Captivate if it hadnt died on me. It did everything the Note does for me (that I use it for that is) and it even had a MUCH better sound processor (the Note's sound processing is TERRIBLE).
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Yeah I hear ya.....I have seen multiple videos on the the SGS3 and it seems like an incredibly fluid device. I have to say the screen real state i will miss, but since I am returning my Note today, and will get the SGS3 in early July I am back on an Blackberry Pearl 8130...the screen size is about 1/4 of the Note's....maybe less LOL. So I think by the time i get the G3 it will seem like a huge screen!
I will miss the S-Pen....I did use it quite a bit. I stopped taking my notebook to meetings bcs all I needed was my note.
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I'm still curious why people talk about the sgs3 like it's a pentium 4 to the notes pentium 2. The us note is a 1.5ghz dual core, the us sgs3 is a 1.5ghz dual core. The sgs3 has more ram, which means very little when appropriate customizations can create a silky smooth experience on either device. And to top it all off, with the right optimizations in the rom and kernel, a 1ghz tegra 2 is just as smooth as these 1.5 ghz chips. My atrix was buttery smooth on cm9, my note is buttery smooth on cm9, and I'm sure the sgs3 will be buttery smooth on cm9. In my opinion, it comes down to aesthetics and screen, because everything else is a variable if you plan to flash.
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You are right in the sence that many phones just need to be optimized in order to get them smooth. I did that with my htc Vision/G2 once I rooted, swaped kernels, flashed a "few" ROM's including ICS and had it OC'd to nearly 2x it's rated processor speed. BUT, and you know a but was coming....
There is something to be said of the posibilities of a device being launched nearly simultaneously on all 5 major carriers in the US...no other device has ever done that (at least under the same name, and never in so close proximity of one from the other).
The other thing impressive about the G3 is the hardware, it's got 2GB of ram, and incredible camera, a very good processor (though not the latest), and note like beautiful screen. For me the camera alone draws my attention, and the fact that the spec are as close to bleeding edge as we can get in a production device, makes me pretty happy to know that I can pull of 2 years of no upgrades.
In fact, when I purchased the htc G2 on T-Mobile nearly 2 yrs ago, it was the only phone on 4G network, and it was the best phone out there for a while, and I found no reason to envy any other devices. I switched from it bcs I got tired of the poor data strength of T-mobile in my area, and the fact that sitting at my office, getting signal was a hit/miss situation, but the device itself it's still kicking....it's my toddler's mini tablet at the moment.
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my raw opinion, the SG3 is the better phone.
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Amazes me that people make statements like this without ever seeing, touching, or using a phone..
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Amazes me that people make statements like this without ever seeing, touching, or using a phone..
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Ive seen it first hand (the international version). The screen is probably the biggest thing about the SG3, its a better quality screen than the Note.
Samsung has NAILED every phone. Would people be buying it otherwise? Look at the world wide sales, look at the tech reviews, there is hardly anything negative to say about it.
In fact, the only negative is that it doesnt have the latest processor, big whoop in my opinion. Oh, and maybe touchwiz, but touchwiz is decent now, nothing like the pile of poo it was on the Captivate.
Hey there!
So I recently lost my Galaxy S4 (no questions asked, please) which I was very happy with. I played a lot around with different roms, kernels and stuff.
Now I'm thinking about getting the LG G2 because it seems like the cool new thing on the market. I notice, though, that there aren't really that big scene around for it - I really base that in the forum activity here on XDA. So I would like to know what people's experience is with this thing, especially if you've played around with the SGS4 as well.
A bit off topic in here - I would like to know how it is to root and mod, is it easily bricked? That's one thing I really liked on the Samsung phones in general.
Do you think there will be a bigger scene once it gets out to more people? And roms as well? I know it's hard to live up to the Samsung hype but still...
L8r!
Don't know what to tell you. This phone rocks. The battery the screen the form factor. Couple it with the latest cpu and Graphic ram (what ever that is). This phone packs the best spec right now. The camera is no slouch either with OIS it is up there with the best.
As for developments, this device is so ready. Right now there is root and twrp and CWM. Read it somewhere about kernel source is released (need to fact check on that). This device is more than ready for development.
But still people are waiting one the fence until the released of nexus 5 to make their choices.
But for me I have already made my mine with 3000mah vs 2300mah battery there is nothing nexus 5 can do to beat this.
-LG G2
kcharng said:
Don't know what to tell you. This phone rocks. The battery the screen the form factor. Couple it with the latest cpu and Graphic ram (what ever that is). This phone packs the best spec right now. The camera is no slouch either with OIS it is up there with the best.
As for developments, this device is so ready. Right now there is root and twrp and CWM. Read it somewhere about kernel source is released (need to fact check on that). This device is more than ready for development.
But still people are waiting one the fence until the released of nexus 5 to make their choices.
But for me I have already made my mine with 3000mah vs 2300mah battery there is nothing nexus 5 can do to beat this.
-LG G2
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This. Plus devs have already made announcements this past week that they're working on this phone. You'll be fine
I've had the S4 (twice), and it doesn't even compare to this phone. The S4 was an un-optimized piece of trash imo. This phone is the opposite where everything is quick and the features actually make sense.
The screen is better, performance is better and battery life is much better. Just grab this phone, you won't be disappointed.
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Awesome phone, just got it, camera and vid are awesome, cam software could be improved a bit but really it's the best phone I've used, def like it better than s4.. and the nex5 battery is a deal breaker, coupled with an 8mp camera I read it's supposed to have... definitely G2.
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I've had the s4 , I own the g2 and just recently picked up the note 3 ,Def can't go wrong with the g2 it's the best battery life hands down even compared with the N3
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I have gs4 and htc one both good phone's till the g2 came in to my life. I thanks my wife every day for the gift. Best phone I have ever try. Battery is just amazing. Speed ufff. Looooks sick, the screen is beautiful, camera amazing. You ask me and it's a 10 stars phone.
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Well, just hit it and bought it on the web. Coming one of the first days next week, really looking forward to it
But keep coming with input, pros and cons...
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Well, just hit it and bought it on the web. Coming one of the first days next week, really looking forward to it
But keep coming with input, pros and cons...
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You're going to love it! Now that I think about it, I haven't had a phone where just about everyone who I've asked is in love with it and raves about it this much (check the other forums S4, HTC One, Note 3, 5s etc)
The G2 is that good. I had the HTC One for a week & took it back to get the G2 once I saw it at the store & don't miss the One @ all. I even waited 2 extra weeks to get the white version.
I'm very particular about the phones I get & how I use them. Trust me, this one will also get put through its paces. In the short time I've had it, I can tell you, its no slouch, the battery is insane, it just won't die no matter what I try to do & this is on the stock ROM!!!!
All I've done it turn off Carrier IQ which you can do without Root! Whoa. You'll see in a few days when you get it.
P.S
There's a Dev on the forums who mentioned they're making ROMs for our phone. In a few weeks this place is going to be buzzing & you'll be amazed @ what your new phone can do
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LG g2 has been confirmed cheating on benchmarks as well.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7384/state-of-cheating-in-android-benchmarks
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ha good one... the screen CAN'T compare! I have had the HTC One, S4 and S4 active and this screen is SO much better. Plus everything else it better too. So go play with one and you will see what we mean
I don't normally jump into these types of threads but I have to voice my opinion. I've always been a Samsung fan and love their phones. I'm coming from a Galaxy Nexus and have had plenty of hands on experience with the S3. This phone easily trumps both, hands down. The speed of this phone is amazing, the screen is beautiful and not over saturated like the AMOLED displays, the features are endless (I've had the phone since Thursday and I'm still finding little things out) and development is sure to pick up soon. The rear button placement does take a day or so to get used to but with the Knock On feature I hardly ever press the power button. Go through the 30 Day Challenge videos on PhoneDog about the phone. Their biggest gripe is they claim the phone is TOO FAST!
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MohJee said:
LG g2 has been confirmed cheating on benchmarks as well.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7384/state-of-cheating-in-android-benchmarks
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niceto see the note cheats on all but one, LG only on 2.
Anyway whos to say these are cheats, if you run your mobile optimally by changing characteristics, it can hardly be called a cheat, its more optimalization.
also as its been debunked a thousand times over, benchmarks say nothing, its all about your percieved performance.
What is wrong with maxing out to phone setting before benchmark? It is not like they faked the score or anything. I remember my PC days when we used to freeze the cpu and overclock the **** out of it. That may be the extreme example but it is what your hardware is capable off.
-LG G2
Lets just say I'm surprised how good this phone is. The best smart phone I've every owned. My last phone was a GNex with stock 4.3.
Coming from the s4, the screen ALONE makes the G2 a winner to me. The outdoor performance of the g2 KILLS amoled.
Battery life is amazing. I average about 15 hours a charge. Heck, today I'm going on 13 hours since I unplugged it and got 47% battery left. (Location service turned off. I use an app called "smart shortcuts to give me a shortcut to location services for when I need Maps)
Performance wise, this is as smooth as 4.3 gpe ROM I was running on my s4. And that's STOCK.
those factors alone actually made rethink about rooting. But I needed to root to hide those dang on soft keys
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While looking at cases I'm wondering what the difference is between the international version and the carrier versions like Sprint/T-Mobile...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cruzerlite-...F8&qid=1381163951&sr=8-93&keywords=lg+g2+case
It says Sprint only but I can't really see how it should be that different?
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While looking at cases I'm wondering what the difference is between the international version and the carrier versions like Sprint/T-Mobile...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cruzerlite-...F8&qid=1381163951&sr=8-93&keywords=lg+g2+case
It says Sprint only but I can't really see how it should be that different?
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It doesn't have the cutout for the mic above the flash like on the AT&T version. Other than that, I don't see a difference.
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LG G2
I too must confess, (like anyone really cares), I have been a fan of the Galaxy line since they started making them, and I was impressed with both the S4 and N3; was even contemplating picking that up, since my wife and I were due for an upgrade in a few days, she is bent on going for the N3 so that was out of the question, (can't have us both walking around with the same phone), but then I came across the LG G2 on one of those comparison videos and immediately fell in love. After that I went searching for information all over, which brought me back here, because I knew that if this phone was really as hot as I thought it was then it was sure to be buzzing on this forum. And I'm glad to see you guys don't disappoint. You've helped me make my choice that much easier. And can't wait to get my hands on this phone in a few days.
I do have a few questions though:
Is the LG OS on top of the Android OS easy to deal with or is it cumbersome and superfluous?
Would I truly miss not having an micro SD card slot, or is the phone so much ****s and giggles that I won't even notice?
What was the longest time someone has gone without charging their battery, with a full assortment of apps running?
http://www.sammobile.com/2014/08/13/samsung-galaxy-alpha-officially-announced/
As usual, the phone is ugly, and considering the fact it's here to battle the iPhone 6, that's understandable.
The interesting part is that it has LTE Advanced baked in, but the SoC is Exynos. Could it be finally the 5433?
Share your outrage/admiration here (unless I just did something stupid and broke forum rules and the mods intend to blast the thread into oblivion ).
It's like a "iSamsung".. I really don't like when they get to battle the phone of another brand and they get used to "copy" the design for it's own device. It has more the look of an iPhone than a Samsung.. I'm not sure if I like it..
The metal construction might emulate iPhones, but the thin, flimsy plastic back cover is all Samsung. At least the (dinky) battery is replaceable though.
Obviously this phone is meant to compete with the iPhone 6. I have no idea if it'll actually sway iPhone owners into the Android world. But it's clearly a vanity device, and should succeed in at least some small way with people who like Android but wish their phone could look more like an iPhone. Somehow I doubt the Alpha will get much love in the way of development and modding. High price, moderate specs, small battery..."power" users such as us won't bother much with this phone.
I think this phone is designed as a midranged one and for people who like the compact iPhone style. Sadly the form factor would be perfect for one handed use but the screen is really underwhelming and not allowing mdcards is a huge mistake. I like the octacore cup bit Samsung is really starting to behave like Apple and that's not a good thing. Removing features and then releasing overpriced underwhelming products
The alpha with full HD, mdcards support and without Knox would have been awesome, disappointed. Instead of targeting iPhone users they should have targeted the Android crowd looking for high powered compact phones!
If benchmarks are to be believed, the thing smashed the Note 3... the octa-core version Note 3. If the Alpha has the Exynos 5433 and they finally went "true" octa-core, it might be worth a look.
But, having a big ol' ugly Nope 3, I'm more hyped for the ugly Note 4, which is bound to be a monster we might like.
I wonder if it's gonna have any IP certification. Probably not though as I didn't see any gaskets.
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If benchmarks are to be believed, the thing smashed the Note 3... the octa-core version Note 3. If the Alpha has the Exynos 5433 and they finally went "true" octa-core, it might be worth a look.
But, having a big ol' ugly Nope 3, I'm more hyped for the ugly Note 4, which is bound to be a monster we might like.
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http://www.phonandroid.com/galaxy-alpha-samsung-devoile-officiellement-iphone-6-killer-metal.html
I was really tempted for this device unless i found out the battery was jz 1800mah..
Only if had 2500 or 3000mah i would have readily exchanged my nexus 5 which also has a pathetic battery life
The thing looks like an updated S2, actually. I have one at work which is with a Chinese copy battery and CM11 on it. 2 days on standby so far, battery is at 80%-ish.
The Nexus carries a 5 inch full HD screen and has no battery saving modes at all.
I won't be surprised if the Alpha thing manages to last longer.
doctor_droid said:
I was really tempted for this device unless i found out the battery was jz 1800mah..
Only if had 2500 or 3000mah i would have readily exchanged my nexus 5 which also has a pathetic battery life
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I shouldn't be too bad... should good battery life... considering it's like 25% more efficient than a 801-805 snapdragon chip (20nm) Should be interesting to see it's performance though. the chips built for 1440p so with that being said the chip is made to be energy efficient at 1440p. 720p is going to have good battery life considering the chip is pushing exactly 4x times less pixels than it was made to.
Doesn't look as good as the S5? No SD card slot, no USB 3, still only 2Gb of Ram? No real reason to upgrade IMO
the things why i didnt buy samsung is... because its sparepart is quite expensive
and (the center shop) quite far from my house
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Damn ?, it's sexy!
I think it looks fine haha, but the 1860mAh battery :S
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I think it looks fine haha, but the 1860mAh battery :S
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It's frustrating because as I keep complaining if it was 3 mm thicker it could have the Isocell Camera from Note 4, a 2500 Mah Battery,
and an SD Card, and a more powerful speaker or TWO - in this pocket sized phone !
So I am hoping and lobbying Samsung for Alpha Pro with above features
and some Note 4 Specs - but NOT more Pixels in Screen because that will slow the phone down.
Alpha Pro would be priced like Note 4 people will cry about price - but I would pay $700-750. for Pro version.
Would you ?
Hello,
the firmwares of the Alpha are out.
Now I wanted to take a look into the firmware, but somehow I can't unpack it. Tried the method with sgs2toext4 and ext4_unpacker but always failed. The system.img seems to be ok, it's 1.908.047 KB big.
Someone knows a way to unpack this KitKat Firmware of the Alpha?
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Hello,
the firmwares of the Alpha are out.
Now I wanted to take a look into the firmware, but somehow I can't unpack it. Tried the method with sgs2toext4 and ext4_unpacker but always failed. The system.img seems to be ok, it's 1.908.047 KB big.
Someone knows a way to unpack this KitKat Firmware of the Alpha?
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Can you post a link? I'm more interested in the Kernel sources ...
@modpunk
Sure. Here you go.
wth does . this. always. happen. I wanted a smaller phone , I was waiting. I kinda of enjoyed the blackberry z10 I had at work but had to give it up. I was hoping the z10 got a refresh, at anyrate I ordered one thursday. I go to the at&t store to pick out a phone for my wife..and I see the alpha..!!!!!!!! damn it.
Something I think will make several G2 owners Smile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8c8ekVfsV4
Enjoy your flagship phone ladies and gents.
The G2 is still a BEAST in 2015 :good:
Now imagine it had 5.1.1, it would be at least 30% faster because of no memory leaks. I remember jumping from 5.0 to 5.1 on my Nexus 4 and WOW the difference was HUGE
G2 is a MONSTER!
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Now imagine it had 5.1.1, it would be at least 30% faster because of no memory leaks. I remember jumping from 5.0 to 5.1 on my Nexus 4 and WOW the difference was HUGE
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Even on my wife's Moto E 2015, the jump from 5.0 to 5.1.1 was pretty amazing. That little thing is blazing fast now.
As far as G2, I'm running CM12.1 and it is slightly faster than stock 5.0.2. Not that much though.
Yes the G2 aged pretty well
I bougth an S6 (non-edge) a few weeks ago but sent it back after a week because for the price it simply wasn't a significant improvement over the G2 (and battery life on the S6 is a joke...).
On the stock rom the S6 felt slower than the G2 and there's no CM/AOSP for the Samsung Exynos phones (plus I really don't like the hardware buttons).
I have both the s6 edge and the note four, and I tell you, the LgG2 keeps up with them both.
And it came with Lte which was missing in my version of the Note 4.
It's smooth, great on multitasking, has a bright, popping screen and excellent battery life.
The one thing is that mine's the 16g - woefully inadequate these days.
Still, I have two brand new batteries ordered and some new Casing - I'm keeping this phone forever.
Even the edges of the screen are slightly curved, and I kid you not - the glass they used, and the coating they applied is better than anything out there at the moment.
Ok. I gush.
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G2 is a MONSTER!
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Even on my wife's Moto E 2015, the jump from 5.0 to 5.1.1 was pretty amazing. That little thing is blazing fast now.
As far as G2, I'm running CM12.1 and it is slightly faster than stock 5.0.2. Not that much though.
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I feel a slowdown on stock 5.0.2 when i multitask (instagram-chrome-messenger-youtube), something i dont experience on 4.4.2 or CM12.1 (but its buggy)
Nice to see the G2 perform so well.
But what about the signal strength?
The S6 shows signal and the G2 does not.
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G2 is a dream come true, the closest to a perfect phone, shame it has to die software wise. LG really made a stellar phone to trump the S4 and it did in every way. Size, buil, the camera, display and even software is much better and snapdragon 800 is still present in todays flagships with slight frequency increase. Hell, even the G3 is basicaly a G2 with 2K display. Smartphones have reached their apex in 2013 - 2014, there is no practical need to upgrade them hardware wise, only software. But we know how that goes. A great shame But kudos to LG for making this phone.
Well, it's the G2
That's one reason I love my G2.
And with Android 5.1 or 6 it will become even better!
Best phone ever from the best phone brand!
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I have both the s6 edge and the note four, and I tell you, the LgG2 keeps up with them both.
And it came with Lte which was missing in my version of the Note 4.
It's smooth, great on multitasking, has a bright, popping screen and excellent battery life.
The one thing is that mine's the 16g - woefully inadequate these days.
Still, I have two brand new batteries ordered and some new Casing - I'm keeping this phone forever.
Even the edges of the screen are slightly curved, and I kid you not - the glass they used, and the coating they applied is better than anything out there at the moment.
Ok. I gush.
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This is what I was looking for!
I assume you have an Exynos Note 4 as well.
For a while I was considering getting a N910c but started work on my G2's glass only repair to bring it back to life again.
Long story short I have decided to hold off on getting a Note 4 bc the G2 is still a damn good phone I don't have any reason to.
Its so fast it was way ahead of its time
Treboeth said:
Nice to see the G2 perform so well.
But what about the signal strength?
The S6 shows signal and the G2 does not.
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G2 Has a great Radio.
Currently replacing the screen on my G2 and have been using my Moto G LTE for a while.
Motorola IMO still makes the best radios for cell phones since they've been doing it for so long.
The Moto G gets a signal in places where other phones (iphone included) die.
The G2 I have (D801) is the only phone I can say I've seen come close to the Motorola especially if you use one compatible with your Network.
Its a damn good phone AND tablet.
For the price its a STEAL.
This is coming from someone who bought it new at full price 600.00 back in 2013.
Treboeth said:
Nice to see the G2 perform so well.
But what about the signal strength?
The S6 shows signal and the G2 does not.
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It's just because G2 doesn't have any SIM card plugged in.
tiguy99 said:
For a while I was considering getting a N910c....
G2 Has a great radio...its a STEAL.
This is coming from someone who bought it new at full price 600.00 back in 2013.
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The radio on the G2 is excellent. It's very, very quick, and the management is excellent - it locks on very fast and uses it very efficiently.
The Note 4 is an excellent phone too though, for the price now. Just make sure you're looking at the LTE supported version. The camera is far better than the G2, and that stylus....
Still, every time I use the G2, I'm surprised. It's quick and smooth and built like a solid block. It goes everywhere with me, and more often than not, it saves the day.
And did I say it's quick? It's quick.
I'm keeping mine forever.
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The radio on the G2 is excellent. It's very, very quick, and the management is excellent - it locks on very fast and uses it very efficiently.
The Note 4 is an excellent phone too though, for the price now. Just make sure you're looking at the LTE supported version. The camera is far better than the G2, and that stylus....
Still, every time I use the G2, I'm surprised. It's quick and smooth and built like a solid block. It goes everywhere with me, and more often than not, it saves the day.
And did I say it's quick? It's quick.
I'm keeping mine forever.
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outside of the camera, how does the G2 compare to the Note 4 in day to day usage, speed, graphics etc?
If this phone had 5.1 stock it would do better than in 5.0.2. It is like 25-30% faster and more responsive
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outside of the camera, how does the G2 compare to the Note 4 in day to day usage, speed, graphics etc?
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Outside the camera and the stylus, the G2 is excellent. It's faster in many aspects, the scrolling is very smooth especially on Lollipop, the RAM management is far superior. Day to day, you just whip out the phone and you're up and running. The G2 had a wonderful screen - however, here, the Note 4 is clearly in a different league.
The G2 will take everything you throw at it though, and chuck it back at you quickly, and keep doing it all day.
It's a wonderful, wonderful phone - even the camera with X-cam is better than most. Anyone who's had the G2 and then moved will tell you immediately, that things are just not the same.
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outside of the camera, how does the G2 compare to the Note 4 in day to day usage, speed, graphics etc?
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iMO Note 4 is much better than G2, G2 is still best for its price.Note 4 performance is slower than G2 but it open apps much faster than G2 and multitasks 3,4 apps easily. Dont know why note 4 display is little bit greenish than G2.For gaming Note 4 is far superior than G2 in smoothness, boths have not so much graphics differences.Battery life on note 4 is worse than G2.IMO G2 has much better battery life than Note 4.
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Dont know why note 4 display is little bit greenish than G2.
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G2 has an IPS panel screen which is more realistic in color reproduction than amoled - any graphic designer will choose an IPS panel monitor over any LCD/LED one anytime...
amoled, on the other side, is better in contrast and brightness... i personally like G2 screen more...
Yes, the G2 keeps up with the S6 Edge nicely. Just imagine though, it someone had managed to load the Nexus 5's 4.4.4 stock onto it? That's a whole extra 20% speed right there. :victory:
Yes I could not even believe I am still using a G2 though it still 6 months old to me, I really wanted this phone ever since its release.
my only gripe are the following;
- on CM12.1 and Stock it suffers from thermal throttling.
- telephony is not so good, (other end could not hear me properly on either phone or headset mode).
- 16GB is not even enough anymore, USB OTG can cripple battery life.
-Can someone please convert a nexus 5.1.1 stock rom port for the LG G2 please? otherwise lets not forget our phone is a beefed up Nexus 5.