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I have this urge to abandon the m8 and go for the Galaxy s5. Mainly because I've read online about the gs5's wonderful camera and the fact that it's lighter than the m8 with pretty much the same specs.
I think the gs5 will be better to hold because of its texture and weight plus I've also read online that the screen is the best screen out there even under sunlight.
Has anyone spent any time with this phone? Anyone in a similar boat as me and has come back to the M8?
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Have you ever held a Samsung Galaxy phone before....scratch that...have you ever dropped a Samsung Galaxy phone before. I've done both and will not buy that cheap plastic crap ever again.
They feel light and cheap. My GS4 LCD and glass broke from a waist hight drop onto the floor while in a TPU case with a glass screen protector on it.
Never again.
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androidbuff123 said:
I have this urge to abandon the m8 and go for the Galaxy s5. Mainly because I've read online about the gs5's wonderful camera and the fact that it's lighter than the m8 with pretty much the same specs.
I think the gs5 will be better to hold because of its texture and weight plus I've also read online that the screen is the best screen out there even under sunlight.
Has anyone spent any time with this phone? Anyone in a similar boat as me and has come back to the M8?
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I preordered the gs5 and after one day traded for the M8. Main reason was that the gs5 bootloader is locked down and I cant stand touchwiz. The phone felt cheap, too light, cheap back, same old slow touchgiz and cool features disabled for US models. The phone did have awesome camera but is not needed really since most people just post pictures online and pictures are always downsized anyways. I find the better light capture of the M8 more useable than the higher pixel count. The m8's front 5MP is also very useful for you selfie users. The other cool thing the samsung had is the water resistance.
Other than that the HTC is way better, just having open bootloader and Sense is the best reason to stay. Also sound quality both speakers and headphone are way better. I would never ever think about going back to a cheap feeling touchgiz phone again.
Good replies both of you.
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My wife had the GS5 and I had the M8 as new customers to AT&T and my wife did everything in her power to rid herself of the GS5 and pleaded I exchange it for the(in her words) phone with the speakers in the front,this phone has such a shi**y speaker and I can't stand to use it..It's been 3 weeks since the switch and I have yet to hear her say one bad thing about the M8..That means a lot to me because my wife doesn't really give 2 s**** about the best phone technology.All she knew was her phone sounded like crap and she didn't want to deal with it anymore.She's even using pie controls now(mind blown) Can't get her into BlinkFeed though,such a shame.
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I'm considering trading for a local galaxy s5 for my m8.. The camera is just not cutting it..I thought It would be good enough but it isn't..I will miss the build quality and speakers but I'm pretty fixed on going ahead
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touchwiz for me was the best reason to stay away, and the lockdown bootloader was another deal breaker for me.
as far as the M8 goes i havent found anything wrong with it, people complain about the camera but for me it does the job, if i want better pics ill buy a camera and not a phone.
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touchwiz for me was the best reason to stay away, and the lockdown bootloader was another deal breaker for me.
as far as the M8 goes i havent found anything wrong with it, people complain about the camera but for me it does the job, if i want better pics ill buy a camera and not a phone.
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yeah the camera is just fine for me as well..Sure it's not as good as others but the difference between the 2 is pretty minimal when compared to just using a half decent camera to begin with...Selfies though on the M8 will pretty much destroy anything the GS5 can do.But for regular photo's it gets the job done
There is two fundamentally different strategies with cameras here. Samsung can afford to invest in camera because that's all it has to offer besides the same hardware speeds and Android skinned experience. HTC gave people what the need in everyday life (plus a 5mp selfie cam), with some new tech to improve the pixels. It comes down to they both gotta make money also. HTC went the high build quality with r&d in cam and less features (gimmicks) and Samsung has high features and high camera and lacks in build on purpose.
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Also add marketing in the Samsung bucket
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I was just actually considering it myself but to tell you the truth, there is nothing Negative I can actually say about the M8. Maybe it's just the phone junkie in me wanting to try it out but I have been in love with how smooth Sense is. I usually can't stand TouchWiz but then I install Nova Launcher and my experience is right back positive with the Samsung interface. With the M8 it's so smooth out the box, this is the only device that I haven't I installed Nova Launcher on and I'm very impressed. Might calm my phone tech ways down and stick with the M8.
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If you are buying a phone for the camera, either go Nokia (sure it's WP, but no one can touch their cams), or LG. I had the G2, and the cam was amazing, and I can only imagine what the G3 brings. I have had every phone released in the past 4 years, and by far the G2 blew every other away. Samsung has gotten fat and lazy and better watch what's coming from behind.
Yea I think the HTC camera is truly unappreciated. It truly is pretty decent now that I'm testing it under low light condition. It is kinda heavy though especially with a skinny TPU case even though the case is pretty light. 160 grams is already on the high side.
I'm also not liking the fact that though HTC says the screen is 5 inches, it is only so when viewing media in full screen.
The screen measures about 4.5 inches without considering the black band for the on screen buttons. Oh why did HTC do that!
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I had the Galaxy S5 before I had this M8 and I didn't like it at all and I usually like Samsung phones but this one I did not like at all. To laggy, felt slow, glitches, and not much changes from the S4. I'm happy with my M8 it's way better than the S5 in my opinion. And my dad had the Galaxy S4 and wanted to get the S5 but after he saw it's not much changes he got the M8 also and he loves it.
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Troll thread smells like a troll.
Seriously though, its silly to ask such a question in the M8 forum. Obviously, most of us here bought the M8 because we prefer the M8; and you aren't going to get too many responses to the contrary in this forum. Ask the same question in the GS5 forums, and you will get a lot of the opposite responses.
As to how I came to decide: I was highly interested in the M8, but decided to wait and see what the GS5 would bring. Also, since I wasn't up for a subsidized device upgrade until May anyway, it was not an issue waiting for the GS5 release. I soundly decided on the M8 for the following reasons:
M8:
- Much better speakers, and front facing
- Much better body design
- Bootloader unlockable
- Camera is better in low light, where I take most of my photos
GS5:
- Bootloader locked down
- Cheap plastic body. I don't hate it as much as others. I actually prefer the "dimpled" texture to the previous smooth plastic, which looked super cheesy. But it simply is not even on the same playing field as the M8's gorgeous metal unibody
- Some might say the body finish on the M8 is too easily scratched. And the GS5 is to some extent waterproof. So the GS5 may have a slight advantage in the durability department
- I don't despise TouchWiz as much as others. Its actually come a long way, and I haven't actually minded it too much on my Tab Pro 8.4. But Sense is simply a cut above in both looks and functionality
- Camera is better in well lit situations
- Has the heart beat sensor and fingerprint reader. But I don't think I would use these much, and they seem gimmicky, and also reportedly are finicky to use based on reviews.
While I was mostly decided when going to the AT&T store, I did try to give the GS5 a fair look and one last chance. It just felt super cheap and crappy compared to the M8, laggy in comparison, and TouchWiz was annoying alongside Sense. It was never much of a contest to begin with. But holding them both in hand closed the deal.
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Mainly because I've read online about the gs5's wonderful camera and the fact that it's lighter than the m8 with pretty much the same specs.
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AnandTech has the best (objective, detailed, and most technical) smartphone camera analyses I've read. Most review websites will just say "we like the camera better", or "the pics look better" without giving much, if any, technical explanation or objective reasoning.
My takeaway from AnandTech's review of the GS5 is that its better in well lit situations, while clearly loses out in low light. GS5 is more MP, which is of course an advantage if you will be blowing up or cropping the images. So a lot of it comes down to how you use the camera. But I would not say the GS5 camera is superior across the board.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7903/samsung-galaxy-s-5-review/2
As far as the weight, the difference is only 0.53 ounces or 15 grams. I don't see why this would matter in any way. In your pocket, you will not even feel the difference. If you think this will fatigue you more to hold up an extra half ounce, you probably need to exercise more (do a bunch of 12-ounce curls!).
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Troll thread smells like a troll.
Seriously though, its silly to ask such a question in the M8 forum. Obviously, most of us here bought the M8 because we prefer the M8; and you aren't going to get too many responses to the contrary in this forum. Ask the same question in the GS5 forums, and you will get a lot of the opposite responses.
As to how I came to decide: I was highly interested in the M8, but decided to wait and see what the GS5 would bring. Also, since I wasn't up for a subsidized device upgrade until May anyway, it was not an issue waiting for the GS5 release. I soundly decided on the M8 for the following reasons:
M8:
- Much better speakers, and front facing
- Much better body design
- Bootloader unlockable
- Camera is better in low light, where I take most of my photos
GS5:
- Bootloader locked down
- Cheap plastic body. I don't hate it as much as others. I actually prefer the "dimpled" texture to the previous smooth plastic, which looked super cheesy. But it simply is not even on the same playing field as the M8's gorgeous metal unibody
- Some might say the body finish on the M8 is too easily scratched. And the GS5 is to some extent waterproof. So the GS5 may have a slight advantage in the durability department
- I don't despise TouchWiz as much as others. Its actually come a long way, and I haven't actually minded it too much on my Tab Pro 8.4. But Sense is simply a cut above in both looks and functionality
- Camera is better in well lit situations
- Has the heart beat sensor and fingerprint reader. But I don't think I would use these much, and they seem gimmicky, and also reportedly are finicky to use based on reviews.
While I was mostly decided when going to the AT&T store, I did try to give the GS5 a fair look and one last chance. It just felt super cheap and crappy compared to the M8, laggy in comparison, and TouchWiz was annoying alongside Sense. It was never much of a contest to begin with. But holding them both in hand closed the deal.
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AnandTech has the best (objective, detailed, and most technical) smartphone camera analyses I've read. Most review websites will just say "we like the camera better", or "the pics look better" without giving much, if any, technical explanation or objective reasoning.
My takeaway from AnandTech's review of the GS5 is that its better in well lit situations, while clearly loses out in low light. GS5 is more MP, which is of course an advantage if you will be blowing up or cropping the images. So a lot of it comes down to how you use the camera. But I would not say the GS5 camera is superior across the board.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7903/samsung-galaxy-s-5-review/2
As far as the weight, the difference is only 0.53 ounces or 15 grams. I don't see why this would matter in any way. In your pocket, you will not even feel the difference. If you think this will fatigue you more to hold up an extra half ounce, you probably need to exercise more (do a bunch of 12-ounce curls!).
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Your post is insulting, informative and helpful all at the same time ?
Thanks.
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I went from the Galaxy S2, S3, S4 then to the S5. I did not mind the plastic feel of the Galaxies. I actually prefer it for the weight. I never had a problem damaging my phone since I always had a case on it. Anyways, I bought the S5 and returned it in a week. Let me tell you why..
1. Locked boot loader and no root.. This was a VERY big deal and was the main reason why switching to the M8
> Cannot remove bloatware. I tried disabling and hiding some of the apps but it still bothered me.
> Got sick of checking the forums every hour in hope for someone unlocking the boot loader or getting root
2. Finger print unlocking sucks.. Most of the time I had to enter in my PIN after so many failures when I actually needed the phone. If I concentrated, it would work half the time.
> Heart rate monitor is useless.
3. A little too wide for me and it did not feel comfortable holding with one hand. Holding the M8 feels great and I like the feel of the curve
4. Laggy as hell.. Even with a higher cpu clockrate than the M8, it felt laggy even switching from one window to another!
5. Last but not least.. Same sh*t like all the other Galaxies. I felt I was in 2009 with the S5 with looks and appeal.
my 2 cents.
Wow. I just read Anandtech's review of both the M8 and the Galaxy S5. Holy cow! The M8 beats the S5 in pretty much all tests. (barring daylight camera tests of course)
It's amazing to learn really how REFINED HTC's design is overall.
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androidbuff123 said:
I have this urge to abandon the m8 and go for the Galaxy s5. Mainly because I've read online about the gs5's wonderful camera and the fact that it's lighter than the m8 with pretty much the same specs.
I think the gs5 will be better to hold because of its texture and weight plus I've also read online that the screen is the best screen out there even under sunlight.
Has anyone spent any time with this phone? Anyone in a similar boat as me and has come back to the M8?
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I just jumped ship from the S5 to the M8 last night. This was a hard choice to make and I'm still not sure I made the right one yet. First off, I think I could have got a bad device because of touch sounds not working...and yes the volume is up and the proper boxes are ticked. I am trying so hard to like this phone and I think my main problem is being used to touchwiz.
Don't get me wrong, there is a ton to like about the M8, but there is also a ton to dislike. My reason for jumping ship is because of no root and locked bootloader.
No bashing me please lol!
Samsung could easily do something similar to HTCDev but they have proven time and time again (by action) that they don't care about developers (unless you buy a GPE or developer edition, but why should you have to?)
And build quality. It makes me wonder why the Galaxy Series is where it is instead of HTC being in that spot.
I actually prefer the S5. I had it but wanted to try the M8 do I traded it but I prefer the S5. It really is a matter of opinion.
I prefer the S5 because it's grippier, the M8 is kinda slippery. I also prefer the UI believe it or not, sense is kinda boring but it performs flawlessly.
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I am on the fence here..Had Note 3 love Amoled but hate Tw and the plastic...I did have the M7 loved it, but camera was bad....Did not like the G3 ...thinking of the M8 or Note 4 ...I don't use the spen and want a premium phone!! Help!!
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I loved my S3 but the M8 is light years ahead of samsung in my opinion. It's fast and just works like it's supposed to. Keep in mind that Samsung is locking all bootloaders and I don't know about you but waiting on safestrap only to flash modded stock roms doesn't do it for me. My only complaint is that it works too well and I don't find myself looking for mods and flashing new things, which is good, but bad if you like that diversion.
I am also comparing the g3 and the m8. Att is swapping out my s5 for another phone of my choice. Both phones seem nice. I guess I need to hit the store and play with them both.
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Intub8 said:
I am also comparing the g3 and the m8. Att is swapping out my s5 for another phone of my choice. Both phones seem nice. I guess I need to hit the store and play with them both.
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I had the G 3 for three days ..did not like it....It's very laggy, heats up quickly..I rooted mine , debloated with xposed and still was slow. Another issue was wireless charging .Att&t only uses pma chargers and they make you buy their charging cover and base....no thanks.....m8 is light years better than the g3.
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A few things
1. I'm going on 2 days without charging and I'm still at 20% - Amazing
2. Just look at the back of the "new" iPhone. Look familiar? Ya, that's what I thought. The design of the M8 is revolutionary.
3. What other cell phone has 2 forward facing speakers? And they sound better that anything out there.
4. Sense 6 is probably the best Android OEM skin ever. I'm with others that say while flashing ROM's is fun and the developers are great and make amazing ROM's but I've not had a reason to unlock and flash.
5. Just go hold one in your hand. Compare it to the plastic feel of other phones. No contest.
GalaxyNotesTx said:
I am on the fence here..Had Note 3 love Amoled but hate Tw and the plastic...I did have the M7 loved it, but camera was bad....Did not like the G3 ...thinking of the M8 or Note 4 ...I don't use the spen and want a premium phone!! Help!!
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I bought a Samsung S 5 Active and an HTC One M8 at the same time, the S5 for my wife as we have different needs.
The S5 camera is better, is more waterproof and I prefer the hard-buttons (home, back, menu/windows.) In every other way, the M8 is better. Even though the S5 has a faster processor, the M8 seems faster. M8 feels slimmer and nicer (than either S5 model), battery lasts nearly double the time. And I happen to really like Dot View (and the ease of turning the display off by closing it. )
And iPhone wielding coworkers fondle the M8 in ways they wouldn't touch an S5.
In most ways, though, it's just different. I really don't like the Samsung interface, and replaced it on my Tab Pro, so it's no surprise that I don't like how the S5 menus and screens are laid out. Sense/Blink is okay, but I don't need either kind of live-feed so I put Nova on it anyhow.
I think the M8 is better. Like an Audi is better than a Honda - it doesn't get you from point A to B better, but the ride is more enjoyable. But you can be happy with either one.
I hope no one minds me adding a small question to this thread, as I'm also about to buy an M8:
I've read in many places that the finish on it makes it very slippery. How true is it? Do owners usually use a case or not? It would be a shame to put a case on such a nice looking phone!
if no case - is the back cover replaceable? If after a year mine gets all scratched, can I just replace it with a new one like I do on my S3?
thanks!
Well just tried to buy m8 two different stores and lte would not light up..says no apn settings. I'm in Houston...huge lte here..Never had this problem with any other phones before..looks to be HTC issue?
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Slartibartfast_ said:
I hope no one minds me adding a small question to this thread, as I'm also about to buy an M8:
I've read in many places that the finish on it makes it very slippery. How true is it? Do owners usually use a case or not? It would be a shame to put a case on such a nice looking phone!
if no case - is the back cover replaceable? If after a year mine gets all scratched, can I just replace it with a new one like I do on my S3?
thanks!
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Thats the problem with such a beautiful device. You don't want to cover it up with a case but want to protect it from everyday use. I use a thin TPU clear case at work and when I'm out but take it off when I'm home just to feel the quality of the M8. As far as slippery, yes it's a little slippery but not too bad. The back is not replacable like on a phone with a removable battery if that's what your thinking. E-bay (and I'm sure other places) have backs for sale but you'll have to take the phone apart to change it out since the phone is 90% one piece metal. Check out ifixit.com for the teardown and see if you can do it. Personally I don't think it is as bad as they say it is but I'm a mechanic and field service engineer so taking stuff apart and fixing them is what I do for a living.
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Well just tried to buy m8 two different stores and lte would not light up..says no apn settings. I'm in Houston...huge lte here..Never had this problem with any other phones before..looks to be HTC issue?
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Maybe but I don't have that problem where I live (Washington DC area).
GalaxyNotesTx said:
I am on the fence here..Had Note 3 love Amoled but hate Tw and the plastic...I did have the M7 loved it, but camera was bad....Did not like the G3 ...thinking of the M8 or Note 4 ...I don't use the spen and want a premium phone!! Help!!
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I had an m8 and "please don't bash me for this m8 owners" the camera is absolutely horrible. Huge letdown with the m7 then again with the m8. I had the m8 and tried to convince myself that I loved it. As far as root and s-off, the m8 is awesome. The camera is horrible and the phone is too tall. I switched to the s5 once I heard they had root and couldn't be happier. These are just my opinions.
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I had an m8 and "please don't bash me for this m8 owners" the camera is absolutely horrible. Huge letdown with the m7 then again with the m8. I had the m8 and tried to convince myself that I loved it. As far as root and s-off, the m8 is awesome. The camera is horrible and the phone is too tall. I switched to the s5 once I heard they had root and couldn't be happier. These are just my opinions.
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I agree the camera could be better out of the box but if you play with the setting in manual mode you will get amazing results. Most users are just casual photogs so they need point and shoot and never mess with the other features. I only use my phones camera as a conveiance because when I go to events etc. I take my point and shoot and my HD camcorder. I too thought the form factor of this phone would be too big but after having it for a month or so it's really not that big feeling. It actually feels smaller than my Vivid in my pocket. We won't take your comments as a bash, at least you didn't go with the iPhone Plus.
S5 or M8?
I'm trying to decide between the S5 and the M8 also.
Sounds like everybody is generally in love with the M8 because of the look and feel. Personally, I have trouble understanding why people complain about the plastic on the Samsung phones. If you plan to use the phone naked, then the look would make a difference. I never feel comfortable using these flimsy phones without a TPU case, and once you put a case on it, you rarely see the back of the phone. To me that makes all of that lovely metal a waste.
Otherwise, the waterproof qualities of the Samsung are a plus and most people seem to think the camera is better. Also, the lack of an easily replaceable battery on the M8 is a concern for me.
It seems that Sense UI, the speakers, and the general experience of using it is the big advantage for the M8. Also unlocked bootloaders and the availability of multiple stock roms is a plus. I'm not sure which phone wins out on battery life, but the Samsung has the bigger battery.
All in all, I'm leaning toward the S5, but it's a very close call.
Do you use a case on your M8? If so, what's the advantage of the pretty back?
Just got the M8 love it...very fast , very clean ui..no junk touchwiz here.... no complaints....This phone is very nice...only second generation...M9 will be even better....S5 feels and looks like my 9 year old niece designed ...good luck!
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I too was in a position to choose between the M8 and S5 when my Galaxy Note II decided to finally give up the ghost only after 18 months of use. Despite a full restore it just kept freezing up and corrupted not only my 64 GB SD card, but also the internal memory. Because my phone is my lifeline, I couldn't afford to take any more time to try to fix it, and bought a replacement - the M8.
I have never had as many issues or physically destroyed a phone as quickly as the Note II. While I enjoyed the plastic at the beginning due to making the weight of the phone lighter, it was also more prone to scratches, cracks, abrasion marks, etc. Although I liked the Touchwiz features, I hated the FischerPrice design. Why are all of the icons huge on the screen? Nova launcher quickly became my friend.
I temporarily reverted to my Iphone 4 while shopping for a new phone. While I also hate IOS7, i did realize that I missed the feel and sturdiness of the metal chassis design. This swayed me to look at the M8 after I found out that the new model was almost all metal, unlike the M7.
I viewed the reviews and specs of both the M8 and S5. While the better camera on the S5 was definitely important, these were the factors that made me choose the M8:
1) Metal iPhone like build. I'm not too rough on my phones, but the even more plastic flimsy build of the S5 didn't seem like it would hold up any better than my Note 2 did. i also hated the new Band-Aid like design. The S5 looks like a toy.
2) Dual stereo speakers. I am a musician and DJ. Music is my life. While the volume of the Note 2 and S5 were "ok', there is no doubt that the M8 was not only superior in sound quality, but offered the rare stereo experience.
3) Camera - the M8 is adequate, but not up to par with other phones, especially the S5 and new LG. However, I weighed this against my use of the device for music. I rarely take photos or videos with my phone. Yeah, every once in a while as a spur of the moment keepsake, or to send to someone, but never to save and print, etc. I realized that the camera was the least important feature to me, so even though the S5 would win in this category, the M8 was sufficient for my needs. That being said, some of the camera features are very nice, and if you use manual mode, you can get some pretty decent shots.
4) Size - Although I liked the bigger screen on the S5, and prefer the technology, I found my Note 2 to be just a tad too big every once in a while. The slightly smaller M8 seemed to still give me the larger real estate that I wanted (compared to the minuscule iPhone 4, which I found unusable for non mobile web browsing). I was not mistaken.
5) Interface. I was very surprised with how clean the Sense 6 interface was. Although I don't use BlinkFeed (not customizable enough for me) it seems like so much more a native android experience. I don't feel like it gets in the way like TW did. I don't even use Nova anymore, simply because I love the weather clock widget. It was designed with simplicity in mind, but not to a point of making it toy like. If anything, it is elegant.
6) Internal memory. The S5 only has 16 GB of internal memory. The M8 has 32. Let's face it, there's a lot that can not be stored on an external SD card.
Other factors -
I really like the dot view case. While I thought it was gimmicky at first, I really find it helpful. The scrolling caller ID, the tap to view time/weather, the quick voice call feature, auto on/off when opening/closing the cover. Actually all very useful.
I do miss having a full RGB led notification indicator. However I'm finding it less important than I did on the Note 2.
I actually like the stock music player. I used Google Play Music on the Note, but now only use it for cloud based stuff (21K songs LOL). Otherwise I've been using the native player. I like the Music Channel feature with the scrolling lyrics.
One thing that almost made me overlook the M8 was that the M7 did not have a removable battery or SD slot. The M8 now features a micro SD slot (up to 128 GB!) so that's no longer an issue. While the M8 still does not have a removable battery, I find the battery life of the phone to be amazing. I do tend to have it on a charger most days, but yesterday I spent 14 hours at the casino. Even with constantly checking my phone, using it for several calls, texts, etc., I still had 20% at the end of the day without using power saver mode. My note would have been dead in 6-8 hours.
Even with the announcement of the New iPhone 6, I do not regret my choice of the M8. I really enjoy using this phone. YMMV, but the best thing to do would be to evaluate the features and how they fit your needs.
Both the M8 and G3 are badass phones. I have both and keep switching. Converted M8 to Dev and of course updates are like they are supposed to be. G3 no unlocked bootloader, can be a problem for some. The lag that those complain about on the G3 is virtually non-existent but sometimes can be seen. I think once LG issues an update, and they will, it won't even be a conversation anymore. I think LG is going straight to L, and will address everything at that point. Of course HTC will issue the same updates, probably faster too, but in the end, if LG fixes some of the "nagging" issues, it will be so much better.
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Just got the M8 love it...very fast , very clean ui..no junk touchwiz here.... no complaints....This phone is very nice...only second generation...M9 will be even better....S5 feels and looks like my 9 year old niece designed ...good luck!
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Now that's funny. I say the same about my wifes Note 3, so cartoonish.
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I agree the camera could be better out of the box but if you play with the setting in manual mode you will get amazing results. Most users are just casual photogs so they need point and shoot and never mess with the other features. I only use my phones camera as a conveiance because when I go to events etc. I take my point and shoot and my HD camcorder. I too thought the form factor of this phone would be too big but after having it for a month or so it's really not that big feeling. It actually feels smaller than my Vivid in my pocket. We won't take your comments as a bash, at least you didn't go with the iPhone Plus.
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I haven't had any trouble with camera and I prefer the luxury finish that gives the M8 over the S5.
I was gonna open a new thread but this is what I was looking for
Used iPhone 3G > Captivate > S3 > Note 2 ----> Got bored of Android, and more so with constant rooting and roms, and a times frustrating lag and crashing. So I bought into the hype and paid 1K for an iphone 6 64GB ( was waiting from Carrier too and then sell t but wait was 6 weeks ) , used for 3 days and realized I miss the Android control and usage. I sold the iPhone for 940, lost money and ordered an M8 from my Carrier - since I know its premium finish and I simply want to root it
I have been reading about GPE but most people say the stock is best itself
Have I picked the right phone as I want to stay away from the same Rom game and needs a smooth phone
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Have I picked the right phone as I want to stay away from the same Rom game and needs a smooth phone
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Only you can answer if its the right phone for you.
But what I can say, is the stock experience is smooth, snappy and won't disappoint. To be honest, I've felt like HTC has gotten very close to having a great stock ROM experience for some time now. And that is pretty much realized with Sense 6, especially combined with the hardware on the M8. I mean, there is always tweaking that can be done with custom ROMs, and whether you want a custom ROM or not completely depends on your own preferences and usage. But I really feel that we are at a point where the stock software is stable, fast and smooth, and a custom ROM is not needed to get basic functionality or to overcome lag caused by Sense (as has been the case for older devices).
That being said, I went to a custom ROM early on (second day I owned the M8) because I can't stand AT&T's bloatware and limitations (blocked tethering if not on a tethering plan). But that is really another matter. Lag and performance are not an issue on the stock software.
Also, you can't really compare the M8 with Samsung devices. I have a current Samsung tablet (Tab Pro 8.4) and it lagged and crashed on TouchWiz, and all but forced me to go AOSP (which made it much faster and more stable). So don't take the Samsung experience as being indicative of all Android devices. The M8 is simply snappy in comparison.
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Only you can answer if its the right phone for you.
But what I can say, is the stock experience is smooth, snappy and won't disappoint. To be honest, I've felt like HTC has gotten very close to having a great stock ROM experience for some time now. And that is pretty much realized with Sense 6, especially combined with the hardware on the M8. I mean, there is always tweaking that can be done with custom ROMs, and whether you want a custom ROM or not completely depends on your own preferences and usage. But I really feel that we are at a point where the stock software is stable, fast and smooth, and a custom ROM is not needed to get basic functionality or to overcome lag caused by Sense (as has been the case for older devices).
That being said, I went to a custom ROM early on (second day I owned the M8) because I can't stand AT&T's bloatware and limitations (blocked tethering if not on a tethering plan). But that is really another matter. Lag and performance are not an issue on the stock software.
Also, you can't really compare the M8 with Samsung devices. I have a current Samsung tablet (Tab Pro 8.4) and it lagged and crashed on TouchWiz, and all but forced me to go AOSP (which made it much faster and more stable). So don't take the Samsung experience as being indicative of all Android devices. The M8 is simply snappy in comparison.
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tx man, I have 8.4 Tab Pro too. Lot of the comments on this thread are so similar to my past usage with Samsung - man it feels good to be back with Android. I was SO missing the back button the iphone and unlocking with fingerprint was a bore, had to wait till it opens, keep eye on the phone to swap channels on Tune in radio whereas in droid, u can simply swipe w/o looking. Lot of other small things make the difference
I was deeply torn between an S5 and the M8. My wife actually poked fun at me for not being able to decide. They are both solid phones, but ultimately I wasn't able to give up the freedom to tinker. The S5 is locked down hard on AT&T, and while it has root, at some point it's going to be totally closed - or at least developers are going to be stuck on the last officially supported kernel until people get tired of it. There is safestrap, and I looked into it, but it sounds like people are already getting weary of development on the locked versions. Thus, there will likely never be a non-TW ROM for it. The T-mobile version isn't locked, but apparently doesn't perform as well on AT&T networks, and you would have to find a way to get one without switching carriers.
The M8, on the other hand, has a future. Even once HTC gets tired of supporting it, being able to unlock the bootloader (either officially or unofficially) and S-off means that people will be creating new ROMs for it until it, like my old Skyrocket, just get so old that no one has them anymore. That was the deciding factor for me, especially in light of the fact that I switched to Cyanogenmod a long time ago on my Skyrocket, and never looked back. So, in a way, firewater (and ultimately Sunshine) sold me on the M8.
Now, the fact is that I have come to really like Sense. Sure, it doesn't have every option I'm used to in CM, but it's a solid skin that doesn't get in the way. I opted for a full (including CID) conversion to the Developer Edition, and have stuck with it for now. Thus, the ultimate irony is that I have the ability to do whatever I like to my phone, and I'm so happy with stock that I've not installed a single alternate ROM. However, I am also happy knowing that one day I will be able to.
I've read a few reviews which pretty much conclude the M9 is a meh update to the M8. I had a M8, sold it for the next greatest thing (whatever that was), but, in hindsight, I think it was probaby the best device of the dozen or so I've gone through since.
So I'm wondering how previous M8 owners feel about their purchase. Do you think it's a worthy upgrade? I'd be more inclined to go with the Plus, but who knows if that'll ever make it to the US.
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I've read a few reviews which pretty much conclude the M9 is a meh update to the M8. I had a M8, sold it for the next greatest thing (whatever that was), but, in hindsight, I think it was probaby the best device of the dozen or so I've gone through since.
So I'm wondering how previous M8 owners feel about their purchase. Do you think it's a worthy upgrade? I'd be more inclined to go with the Plus, but who knows if that'll ever make it to the US.
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I've had the m7, m8, and now m9. m9 feels faster, I prefer the camera over the m8, sense is still the best overlay in my opinion. But if you don't feel like you need the latest and greatest device, it's not much of an upgrade really..
What got me interested was that I just picked up an M7 as a backup phone, and I realized how much I missed Sense. I hate the look of Lollipop and it's a great way to get the advantages of 5.0 without the the garish quality of Material Design.
Friend of mine was using the m7 and I told him it's time to get the m9.. He tried out the s6 and after about 30 minutes he hated the interface and got teh m9 like i suggested..
I came from the M8 and I do not regret it a bit. The phone feels faster camera is better and will be getting better with future FW updates. I love the design tweak to help with grip. This thing is great for gaming and photo editing. The sound has definitely improved as well.
I switched from the M8 to the iPhone 6 but after a few weeks had to get back to sense so I picked up an M9. Overall the phone is very similar, but it is much faster in my opinion. My wife still has the M8 and does like using the M9 better. The camera is still the weak point but in good lighting I get really good pic quality. Hopefully as mentioned above a FW update will continue to make it better. Overall it is a small update from the M8 but the processor power and camera were the benefits for me. Battery life is on par with the M8 for me as well.
I was looking at this and the s6 edge. I want reliability more than anything else. Samsung really scares me with their yearly releases on phones which could equate to shoddy hardware and software and shortcuts being taken.
Is the m9 a solid phone? Any issues?
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I was looking at this and the s6 edge. I want reliability more than anything else. Samsung really scares me with their yearly releases on phones which could equate to shoddy hardware and software and shortcuts being taken.
Is the m9 a solid phone? Any issues?
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As big of an htc head I am I would go with Samsung S6. The m9 is not the choice this year in my opinion for recommendation. Don't get me wrong I love my m9 coming from the m7 huge upgrade but you'll have more fun with the s6 without touch wiz ?
No regrets especially after all the blunders I've seen with the s6. They don't seem to be evident in the s6 edge though. That being said I don't have any real issues that some are having.
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I was looking at this and the s6 edge. I want reliability more than anything else. Samsung really scares me with their yearly releases on phones which could equate to shoddy hardware and software and shortcuts being taken.
Is the m9 a solid phone? Any issues?
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no issues that wont be sorted out with the next ota.. the only thing that bugs me is the radio in the m9 but assuming that gets fixed (like how the n5 had radio issues on spark at first but was fixed) I love the phone, touchwiz is enough to make me never touch a sammy again
None. What would I've got, S6.... ? This phone is awesome and I'll get the M10 too most likely. Reason, bc IMHO HTC seems to design phone just for me! Lol!
Yes. Buying it.
I don't regret it, however the radio is borked on the Sprint version. They have been promising a fix for weeks and the radio is terrible. Not so much signal issue but hand offs are awful. I have xposed working so hopefully 5.1 will fix the issues. Other than the radio I don't have that many problems. I set up an S6 today for someone else, yes it was nice and touchwiz has come leaps and bounds but I still highly prefer Sense. 4K screen, a touch bigger would have made it a lot better. Plus Samsung is now pulling an apple and shafting it's customers on internal memory. I will say I really did like the display on the S6, while my m9 screen is nice I wish they would have did 4k. There is always next year
I originally got an S6 edge after reading the reviews for the S6 edge and the M9. The accelerometer was defective out of the box. Samsung wanted me to send it to them and wait 2 weeks for a refurb replacement for a phone I had for less than a day. There were multiple reports of this exact issue with the phone, but their support pretended they had no idea. Due to the account type I have with Sprint (SWAC) and there being zero corporate stores within a 1 hour radius of where I live, returning a device is a huge PITA. This is the 2nd Samsung mobile phone I have bought, and the 2nd one that was defective. Fool me once... I returned it and got an M9, and I am happy with my decision.
I hope moderators leave this here because I certainly would have liked to have known this information before I made the move and it is directed for M9 owners.
It is not meant to say the G4 is a clear winner it just describes the trade-offs between the two.
I was having network reliability issues with my M9. I was running the very historically reliable Bad Boys ROM and tried reverting back to Stock Rooted. It greatly improved reliability. But I lost Tether.
I go to so much trouble to get tether it might be cheaper to just buy it
One thing that has also nagged me is if you look at M9 reviews on Sprint.Com you'll see a ton of folks saying under cons "Camera and Dropped Calls" (like 1 out of every 3 reviews, even on positive reviews).
Anyway I thought I'd try a G4. Ever since browsing a Sprint Store once all the phones were out I was rather drooling over the Larger Screen phones with razor thin bezels.
I was gonna buy a G4 on Swappa or Ebay for around $420.00 (I'd only buy sealed new phone). But I was worried it would be no better reliability wise and would not be able to return it.
There was also an issue with Bad Screens on early batches of G4's and I was concerned about quick swap with 14 days or warranty swap after and if I bought on swappa or ebay it may be part of that early batch.
If I could get it for $420.00-ish (some have bought them for under $400) and sell M9 for $350.00-ish it would cost me under $100.00 to swap.
So I need to value time and headaches and went to bestbuy. They had it for $650.00 (gulp). They matched Sprint $600.00 (no contract of course).
Then I said fine and then they hand me a $100.00 bestbuy giftcard, great. I also qualify for 2nd Battery, External Battery Charger and Leather Back Cover promotion (don't care that much about any of those things except maybe for resale later).
They also let me cherry pick the latest build date they had and there was quite a wide range.
Now to the phone comparison.
The G4 Screen is FANTASTIC. I don't know why so many reviews say you won't see a difference. It is drop dead gorgeous. The difference between M9 and G4 is about the same as the difference between the M8 and M7.
It's only a fraction taller and fraction wider and weight about the same. It feels much lighter. I think it's because it's curved and weight is over a larger area (i.e. less dense).
I was VERY worried about the G4 speaker. But is VERY good. I mostly care for speaker when using it to Navigate. It cuts through much better. Samsung S5 speaker was muffled compared to M8.
The buttons on the back of the G4 are GREAT. It is so nice having no buttons on any edge. I can't tell you how many times I've picked up the M9/M8 or took it out of the ProClip holder or out of my pocket and did something to it, I didn't want to do.
No buttons get hit on G4 either while in my pocket (no case).
I could care less about the leather backs for G4. They are not grippy enough. I added egrip to the hard shell back and it feels great (as I did my M8/M9/M7).
I have a hunch the hard shell cover helps with the speak and acts as speaker itself where the leather would absorb sound.
By default G4 maps double click volume down to take a picture. And I mapped double click up to turn on flashlight (I'd never map that on M9, it would get accidently turned on in my pocket, guaranteed).
There is no "S-Off" and no unlocked bootloader (and there might never be) on G4. But there is root on the G4 and you need a Dev to reroot each release and that vulnerability may get closed !! You must use ADB each time.
I think GSM versions have bootloader unlocked. Overall very little development.
Network reliability wise I think it is better than the M9. But it has not solved all my issues. Some of them are just plain Sprint and the new modes these modern devices run in.
Battery might be slightly worse on G4. Hard to say because I'm still fiddling with it a lot.
LG does screen brightness right. ON all other phones I've tried have to choose between fixed desired setting and auto.
On the G4 you can choose Auto AND choose how bright you want auto to be. DUH, why can't anyone else get that right !!
OMJ has tweaked his roms for a lower auto setting. But I can choose what ever I want when I want.
It still fits in my ProClip I bought for the M7 (has small width adjustment). Now at Max.
I was using my wifes M8 last night and I can't believe how quickly you get used to a wider keyboard. M8 really felt old generation.
Tether. There is a hack being used on S5/S6/G3/G4 to simply add ",dun" to your APN's to get Native tether (much easier than HTC phones that store this in SQLite).
You don't even need root on the G4 (you usually do). This does not work when roaming though !! Or more correctly does not work on EV-Do (which sprint no longer uses). It only works on eHRPD or LTE.
both Native and Wifi Tether Router work on G4 (no roaming). Roaming tether works on Bad Boys M9.
I really miss M8/M9 blinkfeed (my wife is hooked too). Yes I know about the port but I don't want to hack up the phone (Especially with no TWRP ;( ) and it is still limited functionality.
HTC could probably make more money just selling Blinkfeed as a standalone App than selling phones
I don't miss Sense 7. LG is much better than Samsung Touch Wise. LG is a little like Samsung with less Business look and feel and more Cartoon Kiddie look and feel like their dialer.
The Camera in the G4 is AMAZING. The M9 an absolute joke (in comparison). Optical Stabilization with Laser Focusing (no, not laser precise, but actually uses a laser to focus).
I don't understand why the 20 mega pixel camera in the M9 is so bad (in comparison). It must just have a crappy lens on it.
One big let down is G4 has no UMS (USB Mass Storage) mode for the USB SD Card access. M9 does. That really stinks. For example if you rename say a ROM from the PC over MTP it copies the file down to the PC renames it and copies it back.
There are references to "Mess Storage" in G4 specs but it does not have "USB Mass Storage" mode (it does not come up as a disk drive like a USB Stick would).
One annoyance on Sense is the mysterious missing widget. It happens to me and my wife on M8. Somehow it gets dragged off. Even with a lock pattern on the phone.
Problem is when a call comes in and you have Bluetooth the phone is unlocked in your pocket (or pocket book).
Can't tell you how many times I pull M8/M9 out of my pocket and the camera is running or getting hot in my pocket because something started up.
I have very few widgets and no special apps that start things up.
One really nice thing on LG is you can drag an Icon to Remove or Uninstall, Iove this. Don't have to dig through settings Apps or Play Store to clean up.
Given that my network issues are mostly Sprint my justification has diminished to get the G4 in the first place. But I just don't think I can give up the Camera and the Screen.
I have a wireless backcover (3rd party) and charger coming for the G4 (LG only makes a wireless case at the moment). All phones should have built in wireless charging, period.
G4 has a split screen but it's limited to only some apps. Not sure how useful it will be.
G4 soft navigation buttons work betterthan M9. By default they do not AutoHide and you can choose which apps will invoke AutoHide. You can also customize it a bit.
There are a couple apps that always autohide you can't turn off like camera.
The Quick Drag down menus are little better on HTC.
The Notification LED is much better on G4 (much larger). M9/M8 is too small and sometimes you need to be on top of it to see it.
It comes down to Unlocked Bootloader/S-Off, Blinkfeed, USM on M9 vs Camera, Screen, Rear Buttons, Wireless Charge on G4.
The lack of unlocked bootloader implies a loss of community as well
Probably gonna sell the M9 but there will be features I really miss.
HTC will have to have a hell of phone next year to pull me back. I would have considered Samsung again, but the lack of SD Card was a deal breaker and I need a min of 64GB and have 128GB now. That would be a $900 phone from Samsung with 128GB and no UMS mode either. But Samsung does include wireless charging in their phones now. Screens are great too. But the "Edge" versions seem fragile. I don't think the speakers are as good from what I've read.
I hope this helps some folks in future choices and future feature requests from any phone manufacturer. Sure would be nice to have the best of both. And they are both good phones. But the needle is leaning towards G4 at the moment.
We'll see where the needle is come next spring. I will definitely wait for all the phones to come out before buying. I will surely buy another come spring, I always do and if this phone is still that good I'll give it to my wife and get a G5.
Update 9/24/2015:
The root world outside of HTC is getting pretty ugly.
After going through one update and getting root back on G4, I sure do miss HTC Unlocked Bootloader (and S-Off Bonus).
It went smooth and did it dirty. I was lucky and it was a fair amount of work (involves booting Linux off a USB stick).
I have learned that G4's DO record they have been rooted, but it is not visible in Recovery or Bootloader. You have to dig for it in a file (that cannot be modified easily \persist\rct.cfg)
So I was incorrect above of saying you can restore back to factory on G4 being undetectable.
But it gets worse, a few people have tripped a Security Alert. Sometimes by seeming innocent changes while rooted (one person changed their DPI setting and tripped it).
It is unknown for sure, but even a factory reset (even if unrooted) might trip Security Alert. And it's very difficult to fix.
There are things like the RUU (called TOT), but much more difficult to apply.
Rooting from scratch yourself is, pretty complex, compared to TWRP doing it for you.
I still love the G4 hardware. But I do miss the Unlocked Bootloader of HTC's.
Had I known the risks on G4, I may have elected to go no root at all (since it can get tether without root non-roaming) or go with a Samsung (tons of developers over there)
I'm glad my wife will be keeping one HTC phone in the family and the Ut-Oh replacement M9 is running excellent (root only).
I hope HTC releases a more competitive piece of hardware next spring.
Also I've had my eye on Samsung Forums. Even though they successfully run TWRP. It is not safe to Factory Reset (not sure if this is true on all models or carriers).
They may lose Data/Voice if they do.
There is some sort of Key stored in Data and that Key cannot be regenerated once Rooted (that's my understanding/guess).
G4 does have an official unlocked bootloader in European models, hope is USA will be added. A lot of folks are doubtful though.
If you really value root, stick with HTC for now.
Root is not critical for me, but it sure is uneasy not having a Nandroid backup.
man...I really hate long winded posts, usually will skim but I did read it all
sorry to see ya go, maybe another time on another awesome HTC yes I am a HTC fanboy...from reading your post, nothing looks alluring to me. I do believe HTC needs to step it up or they will fold. This new A9 they are about to announce will be a joke. Hopefully M10 or whatever it's called will wow everyone. If I wasn't such a fan, I'd go w/ the Nexus 6.
good luck!
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man...I really hate long winded posts, usually will skim but I did read it all
sorry to see ya go, maybe another time on another awesome HTC yes I am a HTC fanboy...from reading your post, nothing looks alluring to me. I do believe HTC needs to step it up or they will fold. This new A9 they are about to announce will be a joke. Hopefully M10 or whatever it's called will wow everyone. If I wasn't such a fan, I'd go w/ the Nexus 6.
good luck!
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Thanks for your comments.
Not being on the M9 hurts most because of not being in the same community as folks like you.
Sooner or later we will hopefully converge on the same device again. I tried Samsung last year after initial M8 and came back to M8 (which my wife has now) and then M9.
The lack of unlocked bootloader might eat at me overtime. I keep thinking I really don't even need root. But just yesterday I received a Bose Souchtouch Speaker and found an "AirPlay" emulator in PlayStore that requires root !
The risk of losing root or not being on latest android because devs were not able to reroot make me uneasy. If a boot loader unlock is not found we may eventually lose root (assuming you want to be on latest Android because developers will move on).
One thing I have figured out networking wise. When on LTE the phone must switch to eHRPD to take the call. If you are on marginal signal switching can take a long time. It takes so long to switch the call goes to Voice Mail before it's done switching. If I leave the phone in CDMA mode it does not have to switch and fights to maintain a compatible voice connection even on a weak connection. And will always ring within couple of rings (usually immediately). When on weak LTE/eHRPD it's a crap shoot on how long it takes (it will eventually switch). This is not sprints fault due coverage. It's just some rooms at work are weak signal on all carriers.
The lack of Voice over LTE is a good part of the problem that might be fixed say in 5 years. I have not tried WIFI Calling yet. It was dreadful on M8/M9 (switching from Cell to WIFI or WIFI to Cell was sloppy and slow enough to not be reliable, I'm not expecting G4 to be better, it's mostly the same tech under the hood).
I work in a phone store, so I am always always always researching the best "best" phone. Usually I rely on a few factors, root, bootloader unlocking ease, rom development and lastly features. You can have a crappy phone, but it has a great deal of development, or have an iphone with IOS.
The M8 and M9 are my current devices since my G3 crapped out on me. I feel that the G4 is not my go to phone since LG is gutting the G4 to make the nexus. The biggest question I can ask you is, do you want a development scene that will last the lifetime of the device or do you want a device with building development?
LG, in my experience has had a really slow development process. Now a quick disclaimer, I am not judging any developer, nor saying you should or should not get a particular device, but generally, HTC, moto and all nexus branded devices have the quickest root/unlock and development. You can essentially consider CM nightlies a "farm" status for minor bug fixes and flavored AOSP roms and stock alternatives. As for moving to the G4, it is stupidly close to the new nexus from LG, which I am very much waiting for. My M9 has been a disappointment not by development, but by a crappy radio and piss poor firmware not fully tested.
I want my M9 to be awesome. And I really have OMJ and Viper Rom devs for all their hard work to support the rom. As of right now, we're struggling to find a cure for no camera for the HTC CM12.1 rom. I am stuck waiting for the phone I want to have cm12, for my older one which has better service, and generally a 100% perfect rom. (Sprint HTC M8 on Candy5 is truly amazing).
While I agree the M9 is a failure, the future device you would want to get if you want quick and easy, go nexus, if you want moderately fast, go HTC. Samsung has proven to be extremely hard to root these days. The S5 had a $13k bounty just for root. Good luck in whatever you do end up getting.
Coming from another M9er with radio issues, I have considered this same jump to the Nexus but I just don't want something that big. I wish they'd have just made a new Nexus 5.
If the new Nexus is 5/5.5" then I'd likely move as while I like Sense, I have no love for Blinkfeed (it's far left homescreen and gets used max once or twice every few days) and I HATE that HTC is now updating everything in the Play Store, including crap I don't want updated (like Sense Home) so I have to be careful to never "update all" and am forced to go one by one.
GL with the G4 @mswlogo sincerely hope it works out for you
I have been loyal to HTC for years starting with the TP1 running Windows Mobile with MightyRom which was the bomb at the time. Then TP2, evo 4G, evo 3d, evo LTE, M7, M8 & now M9. The m9 is my 8th consecutive HTC phone. Part of me wanted to try something new this year especially since Samsung upped it's build quality on the S6 (was thinking about getting an S6 edge) or a G4 maybe a note 5. The M9 was not ready for release it was plagued with radio issues on release to the point where LTE was pretty much useless as apps were firewalled and 3G would dump to 1X make your data experience almost non-usable.
While I can understand your reasons for changing, I don't see the point of coming here to rant. Most of what you were stating is already well known. HTC has never been strong in the radio department and on the hardware level signals were always a little lower than than most of the Samsung devices from my personal testing. The camera HTC dropped the ball 2 years in a row starting with the M7 so when they decided to ditch ultrapixel they were behind and I'm sure they had to scramble since the previous 2 years were scrapped and they had to start over.
It really comes down to opinion and if you wanna go with a G4 good for you, I think it's a great phone. That said my M9 has the best speakers, best build quality, arguably best UI (sense is well liked for me), full control of bootloader with s-off, SD card support (I don't use), Two-Tone metal which I really like and keeps me from switching since all these things are important to me especially the speakers. All winners in my book. Sure the camera isn't the best but I don't really care, it's good enough for me I don't take that many pictures anyway. You could get into things like this on any phone it's just an opinion.
To me the M9 is a good phone, that said HTC could have done a better job this year since really this phone is nothing more than an M8 with better specs and new camera. Other than that there isn't much difference. I don't know why people got so up in arms this year, no different than apple releasing a iphone 5 and then an iphone 5s. If you didn't like the M9 I don't know why you got one for, the only thing that was not documented before release was the half-baked radio causing data issues which we all know Sprint's network still struggles vs some of the others in most areas. The latest software update fixed most the issues and I haven't had too many problems with mine since.
In this day and age with leaks and so many well written reviews with videos there is just no reason you can't make a good decision before hand. Most the things you mentioned were well covered before release, so to act surprised once you get it I just don't understand. This RF comparison was done well over a year ago so when the M9 came out I never expected it to have an awesome radio. Now if you actually have a defective radio, that is another issue and of course is frustrating.
I'm sure if I got a Galaxy S6 edge, a note 5 or a G4 I would come here as well and tell you things I like better and of course things I miss about HTC but this is an M9 section of the forum to discuss the M9, not glorify LG or really any other phone. Enjoy your G4, it's a great phone maybe we will see you next year if the M10 turns out to be a winner.
Bad Boyz rom is awesome btw which is another reason I want to keep this phone. Thanks OMJ
I've had HTC phones since about 5 models before the one you listed. So don't tell me what should know before hand. I also I said it turns out to not be the radio. Also in testing the M9 radio is technically supposed to be top dog compared to other top brands. Many of these phones have the same radio and firmware and only difference is antenna implementation.
I was fine with first year of ultra pixel. It was a reasonable choice. Since then it's a joke. I use the camera a lot. M9/M8 is just bad compared to competition. It's usable but no comparison. When I saw 20mega pixel, I thought finally we'll be back with of the rest, no we are NOT and didn't know that really until now.
What really stinks is the photo files are so big they often won't send over mms.
Because I wanted to see if it was the radio causing issues I tried the G4. But it turns out the screen and camera are the main reasons I'm keeping it, not the radio.
I love the htc speakers, but the G4 speaker surprises me.
I don't consider my post a rant. Just sharing my experience with long time fellow htc owners and I've been an HTC owner longer than most here, including you and I upgrade every year.
HTC had to drop the ball big time to make me even look. The long term prospects for HTC are also a factor. we may all be looking for another brand soon. It will take miracle to save them in my opinion.
So I was giving a preview
By the way a lot of former hard core developers are in the samsung forums.
Yes HTC is king of unlocked boot loader. But with carriers and apps watching for root and tether, unlocking isn't all that will be need in the future. So HTC's nitch is becoming less of a make break deal.
That's what I hate about people wanting 20+ Mb cameras. I just don't get it, its a camera on a phone which you may upload to social media and send through MMS. You are not going to make a poster size print from a phone camera. Nowadays you need to edit the picture to reduce the size of the file just to send. I personally think the M9 takes great pictures.
schmeggy929 said:
That's what I hate about people wanting 20+ Mb cameras. I just don't get it, its a camera on a phone which you may upload to social media and send through MMS. You are not going to make a poster size print from a phone camera. Nowadays you need to edit the picture to reduce the size of the file just to send. I personally think the M9 takes great pictures.
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M9 takes ok pictures. But it's really not even close to Samsung or LG or Apple. Not even in the same ball park.
One huge issue is the M9 is a slow lens. So if your subject isn't moving or you can hold steady and you have enough light, you can get an ok shot (I've had 3 M8's, M9, M7, S5 and G4).
But with the G4 or S5/S6/etc. you just snap it and you get the shot WAY more often than an M9.
And occasionally it is worth cropping a smartphone photo. But M9 photos really look like crap if you zoom them.
And sometimes you do snag a special moment with a smartphone and it's so nice if it's decent Often M9 is ONLY good enough to view on an M9 screen.
Well I like to save photos for viewing on large screen computer (e.g. Flickr).
This is a sample, and this is still severely down sampled. The quality is frame-able at 8x10.
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/701/20556046883_d99e7aea8e_h_d.jpg
schmeggy929 said:
That's what I hate about people wanting 20+ Mb cameras. I just don't get it, its a camera on a phone which you may upload to social media and send through MMS. You are not going to make a poster size print from a phone camera. Nowadays you need to edit the picture to reduce the size of the file just to send. I personally think the M9 takes great pictures.
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My pictures turn out just fine as well, I really don't understand why people complain. My M8 took great low light shots, sure the resolution was too low but they were fine for social media or MMS like you said. If you are doing professional photos you won't be using a phone camera anyway. The G4 has a better camera, whooohoooo! Who cares, not like you are posting raw image format when sharing on facebook or wherever you are sharing. I like my M9 for several reasons, if you don't like it there is a million other great phones to pick from. Camera quality for all the flagship phones is very well documented, so to get a flagship phone only to complain about the camera when none of this is new information makes no sense.
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My pictures turn out just fine as well, I really don't understand why people complain. My M8 took great low light shots, sure the resolution was too low but they were fine for social media or MMS like you said. If you are doing professional photos you won't be using a phone camera anyway. The G4 has a better camera, whooohoooo! Who cares, not like you are posting raw image format when sharing on facebook or wherever you are sharing. I like my M9 for several reasons, if you don't like it there is a million other great phones to pick from. Camera quality for all the flagship phones is very well documented, so to get a flagship phone only to complain about the camera when none of this is new information makes no sense.
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The M9 was SUPPOSED to have a decent camera. Then the software update was SUPPOSED to fix it. Never happened in my opinion. So it was NOT known "up front" the camera was gonna remain a dud of a camera. Much lower resolution cameras do much better. I prefer the M7 camera to the M8 or M9 camera. At least it could do something in low light other cameras can struggle with. M7 also had OIS (yes that was known when announced, that should have been a hint that something is not quite right with HTC and cameras). The dual mics in the M7 for large dynamic range were also fantastic (later removed due to patent infringements) .
Many folks don't just MMS pics. They like to share them and often end up on a larger screen. M9 pics always look dull and look like they came from a flip phone (often because of blur due to slow lens) when you view them on a large computer screen, the G4's do not.
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The M9 was SUPPOSED to have a decent camera. Then the software update was SUPPOSED to fix it. Never happened in my opinion. So it was NOT known "up front" the camera was gonna remain a dud of a camera. Much lower resolution cameras do much better. I prefer the M7 camera to the M8 or M9 camera. At least it could do something in low light other cameras can struggle with. M7 also had OIS (yes that was known when announced, that should have been a hint that something is not quite right with HTC and cameras). The dual mics in the M7 for large dynamic range were also fantastic (later removed due to patent infringements) .
Many folks don't just MMS pics. They like to share them and often end up on a larger screen. M9 pics always look dull and look like they came from a flip phone (often because of blur due to slow lens) when you view them on a large computer screen, the G4's do not.
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I wouldn't call it a dud...IMO, it is a decent camera, not the best, but decent...and that's all I care about when it comes to a camera on a smartphone. All phones have their pros & cons (same w/ carriers)...the M9 (and all HTC devices) pros far out weight the cons.
I've been a loooong time HTC fan, they are the ONLY manufacturer I've used...I don't plan to switch unless they fold or stop innovating...
-Apache, Touch, Diamond, EVO 4G, EVO 3D, EVO LTE, M7, M8, M9
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I wouldn't call it a dud...IMO, it is a decent camera, not the best, but decent...and that's all I care about when it comes to a camera on a smartphone. All phones have their pros & cons (same w/ carriers)...the M9 (and all HTC devices) pros far out weight the cons.
I've been a loooong time HTC fan, they are the ONLY manufacturer I've used...I don't plan to switch unless they fold or stop innovating...
-Apache, Touch, Diamond, EVO 4G, EVO 3D, EVO LTE, M7, M8, M9
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I feel the same the way. Decent camera I agree. I have set up a couple of GS6 for friends and although better camera I still just don't like touchwiz. Yes the GS6 got a better camera this year, who cares. The 0.69 megapixel facebook timeline pictures I don't think people are going to be comparing. If you take pictures for a living, I don't think it will be with an LG phone my goodness.
Not sure how anyone could have expected a "wow" camera this year to beat out Sammy or Apple. If you prefer a G4 good for you, have yourself a cookie. I'm not going to head over to the G4 forum anytime soon why I like my M9 better than the G4.
OMJ said:
I wouldn't call it a dud...IMO, it is a decent camera, not the best, but decent...and that's all I care about when it comes to a camera on a smartphone. All phones have their pros & cons (same w/ carriers)...the M9 (and all HTC devices) pros far out weight the cons.
I've been a loooong time HTC fan, they are the ONLY manufacturer I've used...I don't plan to switch unless they fold or stop innovating...
-Apache, Touch, Diamond, EVO 4G, EVO 3D, EVO LTE, M7, M8, M9
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Seriously. I've been on HTC for a eons (for long time they were the only choice) I thought the camera was "ok" too. Until I gave the G4 a real spin.
I still have the M9. And I was playing around with both cameras (M9 and G4).
See the attach photo. It's decorative wall switch plate. The room is not brightly lit and neither camera had the flash on full automatic.
The G4 allows 8x Digital Zoom but the M9 is capped lower (I think 4x digital zoom).
So I "zoomed" the M9 on computer to match field of view of the G4 so that it is also at 8x.
Granted this is an extreme stress test. But it shows how massively different the cameras are. Note the M9 is supposed to 20 mega pixel, the G4 is 16.
I pay a good chunk of change for the upgrade every year. And I expect incremental improvements (including the camera). HTC is just not keeping pace.
I LOVE many features of the M9. USM mode of an SD Card is huge for me. Unlocked bootloader is huge. Good development is sometime more important than I admit sometimes (i.e. closet flash-holic)
So it is torture giving those things up. It's also torture seeing HTC tank, because if they were ok financially, I'm sure they would catch up on some the things they are lacking in.
For some snaps I really don't care that much. But for some, I think, oh I wish I had my real camera with me (a Sony Nex 7 formally a Canon 5D-II but I downgraded to the Nex-7 for weight).
For those moments the M9 is often so disappointing. For the G4, it's a pleasant surprise (so was the Samsung S5).
By the way M7,M8,M9 actually do fine on Video. Because that it's only about 1-2 mega pixel per frame (it's down sampled). And HTC has had good Mics, especially early M7's.
There is other times I'm trying to take a macro shot for a circuit board or mechanical issue at work. The higher the quality the better. Most of the time the M9 will get the job done. But higher quality is a real bonus and sometimes can make the difference of capturing what I need or not. So the camera has a wide range applications for me. I knew I was going backwards on camera going back to M8 from S5, but forward on many other things I missed. One huge issue on Samsung's is you trip Knox on Rooting and you are screwed on warranty. And I have been turned away by sprint techs for a rooted phone (that had issues nothing to do with root).
The picture below is just trying to show you the DIFFERENCE. I'm sure part of it is due to OIS on one vs the other.
I'll try M7,M8,M9,G4 soon with it hand held vs tripod-ish and see the difference. I'm curious to see myself. I bet the M7 camera looks similar to M9 (hand held). This test has probably been done. But I'm not sure is M7,M8,M9 has been done in one sitting.
That photo below is telling the M9 is doing about equivalent of 1/4 the mega pixel the G4 is doing (about 4 mega pixel - i.e. at least half the resolution in x and y).
The lens on the M9 is 2 stops slower. The M9 lacks OIS and that accounts for around another stop. 3 Stops is huge on a lot of shots. That's mostly what we are seeing here.
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Seriously. I've been on HTC for a eons (for long time they were the only choice) I thought the camera was "ok" too. Until I gave the G4 a real spin.
I still have the M9. And I was playing around with both cameras (M9 and G4).
See the attach photo. It's decorative wall switch plate. The room is not brightly lit and neither camera had the flash on full automatic.
The G4 allows 8x Digital Zoom but the M9 is capped lower (I think 4x digital zoom).
So I "zoomed" the M9 on computer to match field of view of the G4 so that it is also at 8x.
Granted this is an extreme stress test. But it shows how massively different the cameras are. Note the M9 is supposed to 20 mega pixel, the G4 is 16.
I pay a good chunk of change for the upgrade every year. And I expect incremental improvements (including the camera). HTC is just not keeping pace.
I LOVE many features of the M9. USM mode of an SD Card is huge for me. Unlocked bootloader is huge. Good development is sometime more important than I admit sometimes (i.e. closet flash-holic)
So it is torture giving those things up. It's also torture seeing HTC tank, because if they were ok financially, I'm sure they would catch up on some the things they are lacking in.
For some snaps I really don't care that much. But for some, I think, oh I wish I had my real camera with me (a Sony Nex 7 formally a Canon 5D-II but I downgraded to the Nex-7 for weight).
For those moments the M9 is often so disappointing. For the G4, it's a pleasant surprise (so was the Samsung S5).
By the way M7,M8,M9 actually do fine on Video. Because that it's only about 1-2 mega pixel per frame (it's down sampled). And HTC has had good Mics, especially early M7's.
There is other times I'm trying to take a macro shot for a circuit board or mechanical issue at work. The higher the quality the better. Most of the time the M9 will get the job done. But higher quality is a real bonus and sometimes can make the difference of capturing what I need or not. So the camera has a wide range applications for me. I knew I was going backwards on camera going back to M8 from S5, but forward on many other things I missed. One huge issue on Samsung's is you trip Knox on Rooting and you are screwed on warranty. And I have been turned away by sprint techs for a rooted phone (that had issues nothing to do with root).
The picture below is just trying to show you the DIFFERENCE. I'm sure part of it is due to OIS on one vs the other.
I'll try M7,M8,M9,G4 soon with it hand held vs tripod-ish and see the difference. I'm curious to see myself. I bet the M7 camera looks similar to M9 (hand held). This test has probably been done. But I'm not sure is M7,M8,M9 has been done in one sitting.
That photo below is telling the M9 is doing about equivalent of 1/4 the mega pixel the G4 is doing (about 4 mega pixel - i.e. at least half the resolution in x and y).
The lens on the M9 is 2 stops slower. The M9 lacks OIS and that accounts for around another stop. 3 Stops is huge on a lot of shots. That's mostly what we are seeing here.
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You must have some serious shake going on there buddy. I have never seen my M9 take a picture that blurry even zoomed.
Thats maxed zoomed focused on cisco boxes about 30 feet away
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You must have some serious shake going on there buddy. I have never seen my M9 take a picture that blurry even zoomed.
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You'd don't even know what I'm taking about that. That is Zoomed 8x so you can SEE the difference !! I zoomed it enough to show (exaggerate if you want) the difference in the cameras.
You skipped the text and just looked at the picture or you didn't understand what I did.
All photos will look like Sh$t if you zoom them enough.
All photos will look "ok" if you zoom them out enough. HTC counts on you never looking at the photo off the phone and never cropping it (and they are often right and you are proof).
The reason the HTC looks like crap is, it bumped the ISO up to 1000 because of the F/2.2 lens. The G4 bumped up to 300.
Turns out they both exposed at 1/10 sec.
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Thats maxed zoomed focused on cisco boxes about 30 feet away
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That's because the HTC caps the Max Zoom at half (4x) of what G4 does.
I zoomed the HTC photo on the computer to match the Max zoom on the G4 (8x).
I zoomed the HTC photo another 2x for a EQUAL comparison.
G4 isn't afraid for the user to see 8x zoom on their 16 mega pixel sensor. HTC is afraid for you too see beyond 4x on their 20 mega pixel.
There is absolutely no comparison between the two. We are not talking close or even trade-offs.
I'm NOT suggesting every one needs 8x. I'm just using it as a tool to show the difference on the SAME playing field.
On normal photos the difference will end up being a burry shot or extremely grainy (i.e. dull).
With EXCESS light. The difference in lens and OIS becomes moot.
So outdoors during the day the M9 might be a closer match (I doubt it but it will be closer).
As soon as you go above ISO-200 and/or slower than 1/60 exposer (which is extremely often) the difference becomes huge.
I have spent thousands on lens to gain 1-2 stops.
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You'd don't even know what I'm taking about that. That is Zoomed 8x so you can SEE the difference !! I zoomed it enough to show (exaggerate if you want) the difference in the cameras.
You skipped the text and just looked at the picture or you didn't understand what I did.
All photos will look like Sh$t if you zoom them enough.
All photos will look "ok" if you zoom them out enough. HTC counts on you never looking at the photo off the phone and never cropping it (and they are often right and you are proof).
The reason the HTC looks like crap is, it bumped the ISO up to 1000 because of the F/2.2 lens. The G4 bumped up to 300.
Turns out they both exposed at 1/10 sec.
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No I did read what you did and understand you zoomed to to show the equivalent to the G4. Im sure you are correct and the camera is way better than the M9. Its just weird you zoomed out the M9 4 more times and wall switch plate is so blurry with no pixelating.